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I'm curious why this channel uses the Air Crash Investigation name. But it's not the Air Crash Investigation that's also called Mayday: Air Disaster in some places. Are you just using the name?
Captain went head to head with the flight computer and took everything manually to save his passengers, man I don't care if anyone calls him "shit magnet" I'll call him a legendary pilot. Salute to him.
This is why airline pilots need extensive manual stick and rudder practice. If the captain wasn't so proficient the outcome could have been disastrous. Kudos to the captain and the first officer also for staying cool and handling this like the experts they obviously are!
14:19 That "A 250 million dollars aircraft reduced to the simplicity of a Cessna." line followed by a piano gave me a goosebump. Also love the "Shit Magnet" are said with full confidence, something i miss from a TH-cam video.
If a pilot got the name "shit magnet" and still had no serious incident under his belt, it only says he's that good that shit doesn't even touch him. Kinda of an amazing nickname.
Captain Sullivan you did not deserve the awful nickname of "sh*t magnet" you and your crew saved many lives. I cannot even begin to imagine the stress that flight took out of all the crew and passengers. Fair play sir, you deserve to retire and pat yorself on the back for being a hero.
That's a term of endearment nickname in Australia, the worse nickname possible usually means the highest of respect - "That guys a c***" would mean he's the nicest guy you'll meet 😁
As an Australian; I assure you the nickname is not an insult, we just have an unconventional sense of humour. Generally, the more distinguished a person is the more mocking the nickname becomes.
Crazy how autopilot controls were off, but the aircraft still was able to override the captain's inputs, and even initiated a very unsafe maneuver to begin with.
That is the entire problem with the airbus automation being designed to prevent pilots from accidentally or deliberately crashing an aircraft. It is a catch 22 situation. Up to now, the automation has never directly led to a crash, but we have no idea whether it has actually prevented an accident.
I may be fully wrong on this and anyone is open to correcting me on this, but to my knowledge this happened because the FCPC's commands to pitch down were of the same priority as the captain's in the computer's eyes. So computer just saw two conflicting commands of the same authority at the same time and did nothing in response, but since the FCPC already gave it's command first, the captain only sent his in once they were already falling. It likely worked after several attempts because after the computer didn't respond, both sources had to send their commands in again, giving the pilot's inputs a fairer chance. This is sadly the reality for fly by wire systems, all physical inputs get turned into code for a computer to interpret.
@@wilsjane The combination of dual input + stall warning has led to several total losses. One pilot becomes confused, the plane protects itself from a pilot-induced stall, then the other pilot can't easily take over due to the 40 second delay needed for pressing the override button - if they even know dual input is happening. Sometimes they don't due to the chaos and lack of proper notice (dunno if this was ever rectified). The "protection" results in the plane losing airspeed until it's effectively at zero. Therefore, the plane can no longer fly even if a competent pilot takes over. They'd have to go straight down to gather airspeed and take ridiculous g-forces to pull out. Afaik noone has managed.
Kevin Sullivan saved over 300 people. Meanwhile, I watched an Air France first officer pulling the stick up during an aerodynamic stall at cruising altitude while the 2nd officer pushed down. By the time the Captain came back into the cockpit, he asked what happened and the first officer said "I don't know, we are losing altitude and I'm pulling up the entire time".
@@danielkaufmann15flight channel is great but it also doesn’t have narration. You have the read. This is a different style of channel and both can exist / explode. The story telling is really good here and the recreation of the cockpits is great. Also the 3D representations of issues and how parts function. They really do a good all around job.
@@jayrodathome yes, you're right. But nobody explained us about the reason the Quantsas plane had this malfunction. That is the most important thing. 😔
The pilot made the right decisions. Disengaging all flught aids and going to standby manual controls. Making a pan call, aviating, navigating, and communicating until a precaution landing/emergency landing. Well done!
@@DrummerJacob Training is one thing. Reality is another. MCAS resulted in lost planes where the pilot again and again and again turned on the autopilot instead of disengaging the automatic trim. So this world has lots of pilots living firmly in their comfort zone.
That's because they never actually found out why it mislabeled altitude with angle of attack. "Although a definitive conclusion could not be reached, sufficient information from multiple sources enabled the conclusion that most of the potential triggers were very unlikely to have been involved. A much more likely scenario was that a marginal hardware weakness of some form made the units susceptible to the effects of some type of environmental factor, which triggered the failure mode" or in short "we don't know, but it was probably a hardware problem." Digital data is all about voltage. If one piece of device was working 99.9% of the time but it failed in relaying a single byte of data, it could cause this. My personal theory is a soldering problem like in Indonesia AirAsia Flight 8501, except in Quantas case the hypothetical soldering fault affected the ADIRU (which tells the computer how to fly the plane) and in AirAsia the confirmed soldering problem affected the RTLU (which keeps the pilots from destroying their plane's rudder the way American Airlines Flight 587 ended up). Frustratingly, my theory is possible but not confirmed. If it was a soldering problem, the solution to prevent future malfunctions is just to replace the defective part, but there is no conclusion here. The only way a pilot can prevent a repeat is to set the Airbus mode to "alternate law" (normal law the plane will not allow inputs that would stall a plane, alternate law the plane does what you tell it to do).
The one thing that always bugged me was why everything went wrong if only 1 of the 3 air data units failed since that's kind of the point of having 3. So if 1 fails, you are still good. Turns out after reading the actual accident report, there was an actual computer bug that eventually caused an Air Worthiness Directive to be issued 1 year later. How it worked was the computer normally compared the values of the 3 units, if they were all relatively accurate, they were averaged and used. If one was off, it would use the previous good value for 1.2 seconds, monitor the faulty unit for 1 second and determine whether or not to turn it off permanently if it stayed broken. After 1.2 seconds, if it was not broken, the values would be averaged again and used. The key bug is there is no check if the units were accurate for this averaging unlike the rest of the time. So if one of the units failed, then fixed itself within 1 second, then failed against exactly 1.2 seconds after it first failed, the airplane's computer blindly trusted the incorrect value, and would only trust that incorrect value for the next 1.2 seconds. Enough to make the airplane think it needs to make a 1.2 second long emergency descent. Of course if the failed air data unit then did the same thing and failed 1.2 seconds later again, you'll keep getting wrong data again and again with no checks, completely ignoring the other 2 data units that are screaming that the first one is wrong.
They can call that captain by whatever name they like - but that is a damn good pilot. Good job on the video. Really well written and enunciated narrative.
@@DrummerJacob hell, if there's anyone you want in the cockpit if something is going wrong, its the guy who's had to deal with weird things breaking so much his nickname refers to it....
Your videos are incredibly high quality and well narrated! One suggestion I would have is at the start you mention there will be over 100 injuries including spinal injuries, and then immediately follow with "will they succeed in avoiding a crash into the Indian Ocean". I really enjoy the idea of not knowing what happens from the start and going through the crisis with the pilots, but when you announce at the start the types of injuries, it already tells the story before you tell it to some degree. Part of the joy is being along for the ride. But just some feedback, and again, your channel and videos are awesome to watch!
I thought the exact same thing. I thought to myself “oh so they survived that’s good” but it lessened the watching experience a bit. Don’t get me wrong I still enjoyed the video very much.
Ross Hales is actually my cousin, my family were all talking about this when it happened. Despite only being junior he was very competent with his brother being in the airforce and my uncle (his father) owning a scenic flight company in Busselton near Perth. He was flying planes before he was driving a car. Very daunting having the Indian Ocean coming at you and no control.
This channel shares the same name of my favorite show. I was disappointed at first when Johnathan Aris wasn’t narrating, but this guy still manages to produce quality content. As good as the real show!
@@felipecorrea7876 I did not mean it that way, my friend. I wanted to show that the details presented and simplified were good from a scientific point of view Maybe words failed me because it is not my first language, sorry for that :)
s it not WONDERFL, when computs run your life and YOU have no longer any control ???? so lucky that these mere HUMANS had the knowlege, cool and sense to land this disaster safely !!!! hats off to them !!!!
They were extremely fortunate IMO that this happened during day time with full visibility. Unlike the aeroperu flight in 1996. Imagine if he got the warnings during night. One wing decision and it could spell the end.
Amazing story, these are true pilots that stayed calm in a wild situation. Imagine if this crew had been the "PULL DOWN" crew or the France "I'm going to pull on my stick because I'm terrified" crew.
Sooo ? What was the cause ? Which plug fell out ? Which line of code was corrupted ? This fascinating video is only part 1. As a retired accident investigator this is where the real story starts. How does Joe Public reassure itself that these aircraft are now safer ?
if i remember correctly, the worrying thing is they legitimately couldn't work out what made the computer start crapping its pants- the thing that caused the malfunction, i mean- they tracked down a bug in the code for how the flight control system cross-checked the 3 unit's for sanity that lead to the system completely ignoring 2 of the computers screaming that the other had gone off into la-la land, but afaik they never were able to zero in on what in the hardware actually failed, and im guessing they put it under a bloody microscope- could have even been something like memory registers getting flipped by cosmic rays- there's actual precident for that making computers freak out before- there was a local election in... i think norway, sweden? that had to re-tally the votes after the computer doing it suddenly dropped an extra zero or two into the numbers...
@@tomstravels520I would argue it’s just software. The plane is perfectly airworthy without MCAS, just that it doesn’t fly like the NG which meant that re-certification should’ve been required for it instead of the tacky MCAS solution Boeing used.
I believe the investigation report found that there was no way for the crew to assess the situation with the ongoing flashing of messages and that by the time they figured out the computer malfunction, they would have met with the ocean. There was a total of 308 individual messages that they were going through individually during the flight. A change was made on the plane model to have major warnings and faults permanently displayed separately instead of the flashing through all faults. QANTAS has been named one of the safest air travel companies since, despite recent financial woes.
ADIRU corruption the CPU had erroneously relabelled the altitude data word which triggered QANTAS's automated safety protocols to act on top of each other and command a large nose down. They could not find the reason behind the corruption.
On an airbus, is it harder to revert to manual flight compared to say boeing? In general? I mean is the computer always fighting the pilot or just in this instance? I'm more familiar with boeing. Some of them are very analog and the pilot can override the computer when necessary
@supers0nic77 I believe that when investing previous accidents they had noticed that a previous flight had experienced the same issue. The flight crew disabled the computer and had no further issues during flight.
First of all, the plane didn’t crash, there was no fatality, so it didn’t make as big of a headline. Secondly, the exact same thing probably didn’t happen again, so it’s not as big of a deal.
@@saffy4352well, it doesn't surprise me, since so many crashes were because of pilot unable to..... Fly. Like air France crash in the sea, or air airasia
As a "shit magnet" myself, all I can say is we are the ones who find, fight and work around other people's shitty design/work. And this man, this man is a true hero in the original meaning of the word. He ability and instincts saved lives. Period. Deserves a medal for airmanship.
Kinda spoiled the outcome right at the start saying that people were injured with some cases with broken bones. There would be no way to know that if they didn't survive.
Yesterday my father asked me " why are you watching these vids before going on a flight ? Won’t it scare you before your flight ? " to witch I awnsered : " hooman see story Hooman wants knowledge Hooman watch and listens the story Hooman goes on a flight and sh*t goes south ? Hooman has knowledge about wtf is possibly happening Hooman probably dies but hooman dies smort " 💀
Not an aviation expert. But I don't understand why there isn't a manual override built into the aircraft in case of situations like this one. The pilot should be the master of the aircraft not the aircraft taking over the pilot.
The 3 Golden Rules: 1. Pick a great airline. 2. Fly over land as much as possible. 3. Break up your trip. Singapore to Australia is the safest route you can take, and yet, they could have been doomed. When it's your time it's just your time. But you WILL NOT get a safer route than that one. Also from Singapore to London. Almost 100% over land. Aside a few small sections of water.
Shit Magnet is a term of endearment, its not an insult nor a slight on anyone's skills. He just happened to be on duty whenever something went wrong. It's just a reference to his bad luck. Living in Australia for many years, he would have known it isn't intended to be disrespectful. I worked in a prison and my former supervisor was a shit magnet. Whenever there was an emergency of some sort - a fire, riot, self harm, someone's had a heart attack or whatever - chances are he was probably on duty. No one wanted to work with him 😆.
After having watched the documentary about this flight as well as having read Captain Sullivan's excellent book "No Man's Land", this video is an excellent informative piece which really highlights the nightmare scenario in which the hero captain Sullivan and his crew managed to stay level headed amid the cacophony of "stall", ":overspeed" and other computer warnings, and the pitch downs and were still able to land the plane . I love the details which illustrate how unpredictable and erratic it must have felt like to fly this plane and how by Sullivan's great skills and team work with his crew all the lives on board were saved. Kudos and highest respect! I sure hope the computer errors that occurred have been solved by now? The only thing I don't agree with here is the term "shit magnet". Obviously Captain Sullivan had nothing to do with attracting these incidents, he just flew many many hours and shit happens.
I think the captain and crew did a good job getting it to land safely but i don't think an aircraft should have the ability to overide the pilots inputs because of issues like this. There should always be an option to disable all computer systems and allow for full manual control because seeing the aircraft dip because it had faulty AoA and speed readings, decided to dip, the captain pulls back on the stick and the computer ignores the input and overrides the captains input, that is just so wrong and dangerous to me.
Happy arvo, mates. We all (should) know it since decades by research of real expert brains: "QANTAS. QANTAS never crashed." (Raymond Babbit 1998 ;-) Seriously: Respect to your relatively new channel with high quality videos in content and production value also. Found today and seen all episodes already, thanks for providing. Surely your channel will grow in a time. Be patient and keep going, guys. Back to video content: Flying with Quantas operated by two experienced US and Royal Navy pilots and another colleague? With this captain named Kevin "The Shit Magnet" Sullivan? And you would've had any concerns before? Folks, that's his fighter pilot's name. This dude was used to handle the biggest SHIT you could imagine as his every day business. And you can bet he was one of the best possible 'choices' by fate to handle these shitty software problems and push the airplane producers to get their job done to build legit systems instead of installing kinda 'Windows 11 beta' on their planes. I would've had absolutely no concerns to take this flight! Before knowing about the event of course - but who knows the future? You've to decide always before you know. And it's the same 'garbage system problem' like in nearly every brand new designed devices with also new build in software which usually leads to most of the device's malfunctions: Cars, mobile phones, TV sets, 'smart' home devices in kitchens or whereever and whatever. Should I go on? I would just stick to the second or even third last generation of devices/software which has already proofed it's reliability instead of the "newest shit" that is definitely the most expensive and is likely not functioning well. That may be the reason why it's called "the newest SHIT" !-) I've bought e.g. a Samsung Galaxy S10+ as the next Samsung 'flagship phone' S20 was sold and the S21 to come. The S10+ was less than half the price of the S20, had nearly the same "power" & functions and - most important - no beta version issues. Yes, much research before, but I'm totally satisfied until I bought it a few years ago and no issues so far. Same strategy successful with many other devices. Just telling. Off thread video content, I know. But may this strategy also apply to flight travel somehow? I don't know and would like to read reasonable answers if you know some. Stay safe, guys ...
Oh is it now. Clearly you haven’t bothered to do much research then because there are plenty of times Boeing computers have caused problems that led to crashes
Learmonth airport is in a remote part of Australia and not usually used for aircraft of this size. It's mostly for smaller, narrower aircraft like the Airbus A220 with about 130 seats, not a big bodied A330 like this big girl with 300+ seats. There's no need to make the runway bigger.
Thrilling video, really well made. However a bit of an explanation of what caused the situation in the first place and analysis of the final report would have been interesting and could provide a bit of closure for the viewers.
The pilots before computers took over flew planes in all types of weather and situations and they were using analog equipment and they never had these problems with their aircraft, how many planes has crashed because of the error of computers in charge of the plane.
i was one of the passengers on board this and we were all really lucky to be alive that day I owe my life to captain Kevin Sullivan and the crew of Flight 72 aswell as the lives of my family and the lives of every other passenger on board after that experience I had PTSD which has been mostly cured but still get very minor episodes every now and again, I also developed a fear of flying for a few years but eventually overcame it, I still get moments of terror during turbulence however it will likely forever go down as the most terrifying moment in my life
Qantas-1920 I believe they were founded-- have had not a single hull loss (loss of an airplane) in their more than 100 year history. Theyve been blessed with great pilots over all those years. The A380 (QF32) landing in Singapore the following year was another act of absolute heroism from a Qantas crew. My hat comes off to this crew
Ex-US Navy pilot Cpt. Sullivan, fighter name "THE SHIT MAGNET", used to handle biggest SHIT as every day's business, JUST NAILED IT !!! No concerns! HE SAVED ALL from certain death also pushing airplane producers to get their job done right for us now! CHAPEAU, Cpt. Sullivan! He can fly airplanes made of SHIT !-) "Quantas. Quantas never crashed." (Raymond Babbit 1998) Thanks for awesome videos of high quality. PS: At 22:37 german ADAC "Notarzt" helicopter in Australian nowhere? 'OK, just to imagine situation.' But you never know - ADAC is everywhere, mates ;o) (TLDR version on point. But my overlength comment analyses the root problem deeper. So if interested .-)
Really nice video, but I miss an explanation of what happened. I know it because I've studied this case from several angles, and it's quite amazing that one of the explanations is that a cosmic ray changed a bit in the computer and sent wrong information, but it would be nice for the next one to deepen in the actual investigation. In any case, thank you!
@@H0ttabych Actually, they don't know what caused the problem, but the effect was that the ADIRU CPU relabelled certain data, and instead of being the altitude, the module thought it was the angle of attack. And for that to happen, only one bit had to change, hence the theory of the cosmic ray. So maybe the bit change wasn't on the memory, maybe it was in one of the registers of the CPU, or maybe the cause wasn't a cosmic ray, as I said, because it's only one of the theories, as I commented on my message. But in any case, as a computer engineer, I'm still baffled how they thought it was a good idea to have two different labels (altitude and angle of attack) separated by a distance of 1! That's a no-no when designing robust systems, but I guess those were other times. You can find more information on this incident and the cosmic rays theory in the video titled "The Universe is Hostile to Computers" by veritasium on TH-cam, or the episode of Air Crash Investigation dedicated to this incident.
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I'm curious why this channel uses the Air Crash Investigation name. But it's not the Air Crash Investigation that's also called Mayday: Air Disaster in some places.
Are you just using the name?
Can you try do flight 571 there isn’t much to talk about involving the actual crash but I feel you could definitely pull it off somehow
We only watch. We don’t read
you skipped the analysis of plane's faulty sensors and etiology of the nose dives, this is like a 23 minute tiktok.... I am not happy.
Such a wonderfull content🎉
Captain went head to head with the flight computer and took everything manually to save his passengers, man I don't care if anyone calls him "shit magnet" I'll call him a legendary pilot. Salute to him.
But he's a "shit magnet" because all that trouble happened to HIM😊
Outstanding skills and airmanship by the way!
Ikr I was like damn better to be a shit magnet than a dead man
This is why airline pilots need extensive manual stick and rudder practice. If the captain wasn't so proficient the outcome could have been disastrous. Kudos to the captain and the first officer also for staying cool and handling this like the experts they obviously are!
I love how this includes the detail of them watching 2 and a half men.
And the serious tone he announced it with pure gold :D
The kind of guy who would watch that show is the same kind of guy that would throw away his excellent career after getting staftled at work one day.
Hhahhaha
@@thesuperskullthe way he said it so serious, I assumed there were two men and a decapitated/half man that they were observing somewhere
14:19 That "A 250 million dollars aircraft reduced to the simplicity of a Cessna." line followed by a piano gave me a goosebump.
Also love the "Shit Magnet" are said with full confidence, something i miss from a TH-cam video.
From the description, it was much worse, because a Cessna will obey the inputs.
I liked the irony of that line as well - even a Cessna has an autopilot.
15:50 "Can't leave you guys alone for two minutes." - Said with broken nose, and dozens of seriously injured passengers. *PEAK AUSTRALIAN!* 🤣
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
If a pilot got the name "shit magnet" and still had no serious incident under his belt, it only says he's that good that shit doesn't even touch him. Kinda of an amazing nickname.
Captain Sullivan you did not deserve the awful nickname of "sh*t magnet" you and your crew saved many lives. I cannot even begin to imagine the stress that flight took out of all the crew and passengers. Fair play sir, you deserve to retire and pat yorself on the back for being a hero.
That's a term of endearment nickname in Australia, the worse nickname possible usually means the highest of respect - "That guys a c***" would mean he's the nicest guy you'll meet 😁
@@brendanedwards2277 Probably the same over here in England mate. I've heard many worse nicknames in my job :)
Pretty sure its just a playful/humorous nickname between work colleagues regarding his bad luck. Its says so in the video and on his biography.
As an Australian; I assure you the nickname is not an insult, we just have an unconventional sense of humour. Generally, the more distinguished a person is the more mocking the nickname becomes.
Probably made him more vigilant and able to stay calm in an emergency like this. What a badass.
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Crazy how autopilot controls were off, but the aircraft still was able to override the captain's inputs, and even initiated a very unsafe maneuver to begin with.
That is the entire problem with the airbus automation being designed to prevent pilots from accidentally or deliberately crashing an aircraft. It is a catch 22 situation.
Up to now, the automation has never directly led to a crash, but we have no idea whether it has actually prevented an accident.
I may be fully wrong on this and anyone is open to correcting me on this, but to my knowledge this happened because the FCPC's commands to pitch down were of the same priority as the captain's in the computer's eyes. So computer just saw two conflicting commands of the same authority at the same time and did nothing in response, but since the FCPC already gave it's command first, the captain only sent his in once they were already falling. It likely worked after several attempts because after the computer didn't respond, both sources had to send their commands in again, giving the pilot's inputs a fairer chance. This is sadly the reality for fly by wire systems, all physical inputs get turned into code for a computer to interpret.
@@wilsjane The combination of dual input + stall warning has led to several total losses. One pilot becomes confused, the plane protects itself from a pilot-induced stall, then the other pilot can't easily take over due to the 40 second delay needed for pressing the override button - if they even know dual input is happening. Sometimes they don't due to the chaos and lack of proper notice (dunno if this was ever rectified). The "protection" results in the plane losing airspeed until it's effectively at zero. Therefore, the plane can no longer fly even if a competent pilot takes over. They'd have to go straight down to gather airspeed and take ridiculous g-forces to pull out. Afaik noone has managed.
I see Air Crash Investigation video. I watch it. No exceptions
A B C, I see an Air Crash Investigation video. I watch it. No exceptions.
It's easy as
1 2 3, as simple as
Do re mi, A B C, 1 2 3!
It’s pretty much the law at this point
@@Aviationaccidents love this comment
Just randomly lost it laughing at this 🤣🤣🤣
I started recently too.
Kevin Sullivan saved over 300 people. Meanwhile, I watched an Air France first officer pulling the stick up during an aerodynamic stall at cruising altitude while the 2nd officer pushed down. By the time the Captain came back into the cockpit, he asked what happened and the first officer said "I don't know, we are losing altitude and I'm pulling up the entire time".
And how do you know any of that actually happened in that flight?
@@MrTVx99 based on the investigation of the flight.
Bruhh what a loser
Yes that Air France pilot was a sh*t head
@@MrTVx99 and the black box
This channel still hasn’t blown up yet?
Compared to "The Flight channel", this channel operates on a really low level. No fear of exploding 😊
@@danielkaufmann15flight channel is great but it also doesn’t have narration. You have the read. This is a different style of channel and both can exist / explode. The story telling is really good here and the recreation of the cockpits is great. Also the 3D representations of issues and how parts function. They really do a good all around job.
Only has 6 vid so far, it definitely will, I’m 100% sure of it
@@jayrodathome yes, you're right. But nobody explained us about the reason the Quantsas plane had this malfunction.
That is the most important thing. 😔
@@danielkaufmann15 Thank you for your feedback! Do the animations give an inadequate representation of what happened?
The pilot made the right decisions. Disengaging all flught aids and going to standby manual controls. Making a pan call, aviating, navigating, and communicating until a precaution landing/emergency landing. Well done!
It's standard practice of becoming a pilot! You are trained to do those things
@@DrummerJacob Training is one thing. Reality is another. MCAS resulted in lost planes where the pilot again and again and again turned on the autopilot instead of disengaging the automatic trim.
So this world has lots of pilots living firmly in their comfort zone.
These kind of videos freak me out, but yet I can’t help but watch them, because they fascinate me as well.
Iam with you 😂
True. The Highlights of these videos Lives Rent Free In Head even in 1 hour Flights ;)
They gave no conclusion as to why the aircraft computer malfunctioned.
www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2008/aair/ao-2008-070
That's because they never actually found out why it mislabeled altitude with angle of attack. "Although a definitive conclusion could not be reached, sufficient information from multiple sources enabled the conclusion that most of the potential triggers were very unlikely to have been involved. A much more likely scenario was that a marginal hardware weakness of some form made the units susceptible to the effects of some type of environmental factor, which triggered the failure mode" or in short "we don't know, but it was probably a hardware problem." Digital data is all about voltage. If one piece of device was working 99.9% of the time but it failed in relaying a single byte of data, it could cause this. My personal theory is a soldering problem like in Indonesia AirAsia Flight 8501, except in Quantas case the hypothetical soldering fault affected the ADIRU (which tells the computer how to fly the plane) and in AirAsia the confirmed soldering problem affected the RTLU (which keeps the pilots from destroying their plane's rudder the way American Airlines Flight 587 ended up). Frustratingly, my theory is possible but not confirmed. If it was a soldering problem, the solution to prevent future malfunctions is just to replace the defective part, but there is no conclusion here. The only way a pilot can prevent a repeat is to set the Airbus mode to "alternate law" (normal law the plane will not allow inputs that would stall a plane, alternate law the plane does what you tell it to do).
@@alex_zetsuloving your explanation and suggestions on preventative measures
Yeah, kinda frustrating. Really wanted to know what turned it so evil
The one thing that always bugged me was why everything went wrong if only 1 of the 3 air data units failed since that's kind of the point of having 3. So if 1 fails, you are still good. Turns out after reading the actual accident report, there was an actual computer bug that eventually caused an Air Worthiness Directive to be issued 1 year later.
How it worked was the computer normally compared the values of the 3 units, if they were all relatively accurate, they were averaged and used. If one was off, it would use the previous good value for 1.2 seconds, monitor the faulty unit for 1 second and determine whether or not to turn it off permanently if it stayed broken. After 1.2 seconds, if it was not broken, the values would be averaged again and used. The key bug is there is no check if the units were accurate for this averaging unlike the rest of the time.
So if one of the units failed, then fixed itself within 1 second, then failed against exactly 1.2 seconds after it first failed, the airplane's computer blindly trusted the incorrect value, and would only trust that incorrect value for the next 1.2 seconds. Enough to make the airplane think it needs to make a 1.2 second long emergency descent. Of course if the failed air data unit then did the same thing and failed 1.2 seconds later again, you'll keep getting wrong data again and again with no checks, completely ignoring the other 2 data units that are screaming that the first one is wrong.
22:36 people are injured at a flight and they still take them to hospital with a helicopter 😂😂😂 what kind of dark humour is this
They can call that captain by whatever name they like - but that is a damn good pilot.
Good job on the video. Really well written and enunciated narrative.
I mean, his nickname is only confirmed by these events and his nickname doesn't have anything to do with his ability to fly...
@@DrummerJacob hell, if there's anyone you want in the cockpit if something is going wrong,
its the guy who's had to deal with weird things breaking so much his nickname refers to it....
@@Gantradiesexactly he’s learned from all the shit he was handed.
Yesterday I i found out about this channel now I can wait for them videos.Good job,really.Keep it up.
Thanks and welcome
same
Well 10mins in and you know your dealing with Australians. Shit magnet... classic
Your videos are incredibly high quality and well narrated! One suggestion I would have is at the start you mention there will be over 100 injuries including spinal injuries, and then immediately follow with "will they succeed in avoiding a crash into the Indian Ocean". I really enjoy the idea of not knowing what happens from the start and going through the crisis with the pilots, but when you announce at the start the types of injuries, it already tells the story before you tell it to some degree. Part of the joy is being along for the ride. But just some feedback, and again, your channel and videos are awesome to watch!
Thanks for your feedback!
I thought the exact same thing. I thought to myself “oh so they survived that’s good” but it lessened the watching experience a bit. Don’t get me wrong I still enjoyed the video very much.
it's not a spoiler lol, everyone knows that Qantas has never had a fatal crash before. Australian airliners are better than the rest of the world.
@@a.a677 oh our bad, forgot the general population aren't gods of knowledge of all flights across history
Air Crash Investigations: ❌
Air Crash Drama: ✅
Loved it
Ross Hales is actually my cousin, my family were all talking about this when it happened. Despite only being junior he was very competent with his brother being in the airforce and my uncle (his father) owning a scenic flight company in Busselton near Perth. He was flying planes before he was driving a car.
Very daunting having the Indian Ocean coming at you and no control.
*Drill Sergeant, it is day one of boot camp. What is my nickname?*
Drill Sergeant: 2:16
This channel shares the same name of my favorite show. I was disappointed at first when Johnathan Aris wasn’t narrating, but this guy still manages to produce quality content. As good as the real show!
Thanks!
“The shit magnet” 😂
As an aerospace engineer, your content is incredible and enjoyable, keep it up 👏👏
Wow, thank you!
As a useless human being, i also enjoy this content, fun , interesting and well made
@@felipecorrea7876 I did not mean it that way, my friend. I wanted to show that the details presented and simplified were good from a scientific point of view
Maybe words failed me because it is not my first language, sorry for that :)
@@felipecorrea7876don’t say useless brother! Your more than that
are fly by wire systems nowadays fortified in some way that protects computers/systems from the effects of cosmic radiation and/or solar flares?
short sweet and detailed, no repeating stuff like the tv shows, LOVE IT!
💛
Seatbelt sign on 10:40 😂😂, as if anyone was gonna stand up again after a scary 200mtr stall. 😂
s it not WONDERFL, when computs run your life and YOU have no longer any control ???? so lucky that these mere HUMANS had the knowlege, cool and sense to land this disaster safely !!!! hats off to them !!!!
The Shit Magnet part was pretty funny 😂
Got me laughing 😂😂😂
thought i was watching a video from a channel with 1m..
Wait I just realized that he only has 30k 😮 I thought he had over 1 million too! 😅
I gatcu broh
They were extremely fortunate IMO that this happened during day time with full visibility. Unlike the aeroperu flight in 1996. Imagine if he got the warnings during night. One wing decision and it could spell the end.
Amazing story, these are true pilots that stayed calm in a wild situation. Imagine if this crew had been the "PULL DOWN" crew or the France "I'm going to pull on my stick because I'm terrified" crew.
Sooo ? What was the cause ? Which plug fell out ? Which line of code was corrupted ? This fascinating video is only part 1. As a retired accident investigator this is where the real story starts. How does Joe Public reassure itself that these aircraft are now safer ?
I agree. I couldn't believe it ended without explaining what the near-fatal problem turned out to be!
If you’re a retired accident investigator why don’t you go and read the final report?
if i remember correctly, the worrying thing is they legitimately couldn't work out what made the computer start crapping its pants-
the thing that caused the malfunction, i mean- they tracked down a bug in the code for how the flight control system cross-checked the 3 unit's for sanity that lead to the system completely ignoring 2 of the computers screaming that the other had gone off into la-la land,
but afaik they never were able to zero in on what in the hardware actually failed,
and im guessing they put it under a bloody microscope- could have even been something like memory registers getting flipped by cosmic rays-
there's actual precident for that making computers freak out before- there was a local election in... i think norway, sweden?
that had to re-tally the votes after the computer doing it suddenly dropped an extra zero or two into the numbers...
*Fairly new channel*
*Top-tier production*
Who needs TV when you got this.
Thanks! :)
Anyone that's watched more than his 7 videos....
Next question.
I don’t understand why you have so few subs. Your videos are really well made. I just subscribed:)
Just 6 video's online. They will come!
Was this a similar problem to the one experienced by Boeing 737 Max?
Yes and no. This was software issue, 737 Max was hardware, software and poor design
@@tomstravels520I would argue it’s just software. The plane is perfectly airworthy without MCAS, just that it doesn’t fly like the NG which meant that re-certification should’ve been required for it instead of the tacky MCAS solution Boeing used.
So what happened? What did the investigators find?
I believe the investigation report found that there was no way for the crew to assess the situation with the ongoing flashing of messages and that by the time they figured out the computer malfunction, they would have met with the ocean. There was a total of 308 individual messages that they were going through individually during the flight. A change was made on the plane model to have major warnings and faults permanently displayed separately instead of the flashing through all faults.
QANTAS has been named one of the safest air travel companies since, despite recent financial woes.
ADIRU corruption the CPU had erroneously relabelled the altitude data word which triggered QANTAS's automated safety protocols to act on top of each other and command a large nose down. They could not find the reason behind the corruption.
On an airbus, is it harder to revert to manual flight compared to say boeing? In general? I mean is the computer always fighting the pilot or just in this instance? I'm more familiar with boeing. Some of them are very analog and the pilot can override the computer when necessary
@supers0nic77 I believe that when investing previous accidents they had noticed that a previous flight had experienced the same issue. The flight crew disabled the computer and had no further issues during flight.
PLSSSS do a vid about JAL 123 its very intressting. Love uuuu
Wear your bloody seatbelt as much as possible
But if it happened to a Boeing, it would be national headlines.
First of all, the plane didn’t crash, there was no fatality, so it didn’t make as big of a headline. Secondly, the exact same thing probably didn’t happen again, so it’s not as big of a deal.
@@musthaf9 No Boeing plane crashed either, yet they still made headlines. What's your point?
@@thecomedypilot5894 whether or not something made a headline has a lot of factors, not just Boeing = headline
@@musthaf9 I don’t think you understand my point. Any issue related to Boeing makes headlines in the media.
A truly skilled and professional flight crew. 👏
It's standard practice of becoming a pilot! You are trained to fly manually and visually.
@@saffy4352well, it doesn't surprise me, since so many crashes were because of pilot unable to..... Fly. Like air France crash in the sea, or air airasia
As a "shit magnet" myself, all I can say is we are the ones who find, fight and work around other people's shitty design/work. And this man, this man is a true hero in the original meaning of the word. He ability and instincts saved lives. Period. Deserves a medal for airmanship.
Two good ADIRUs and one faulty- the aircraft computer follows the faulty one.
GREAT job Airbus, really terrific software design! (NOT)
Kinda spoiled the outcome right at the start saying that people were injured with some cases with broken bones. There would be no way to know that if they didn't survive.
I love how the stall alarm continued after they had landed and were on the ground
Why did the computers fail? Was an explanation provided?
love that you nonchalantly said shit magnet with a plosive t 🔥
Yesterday my father asked me " why are you watching these vids before going on a flight ? Won’t it scare you before your flight ? " to witch I awnsered :
" hooman see story
Hooman wants knowledge
Hooman watch and listens the story
Hooman goes on a flight and sh*t goes south ?
Hooman has knowledge about wtf is possibly happening
Hooman probably dies
but hooman dies smort " 💀
Not an aviation expert. But I don't understand why there isn't a manual override built into the aircraft in case of situations like this one. The pilot should be the master of the aircraft not the aircraft taking over the pilot.
Because then accidents caused by pilots doing stupid things will and have happened like 5Y3591
a $250 million aircraft reduced to the simplicity of a Cessna🤌🤌🤌
if your captain's last name happens to Sullivan get off the plane asap 😅😅😅
Actually you best hope you have a captain like him when something happens.
Captain sully sounds like a Pirate name. If I heard that was my captain of my ship I’d know the ship gonna sail SMOOTH and we’re getting that booty!
Just found your page and I watched every video. Absolutely superb information, and explanation. Thank you!
Awesome, thank you!
The 3 Golden Rules: 1. Pick a great airline. 2. Fly over land as much as possible. 3. Break up your trip. Singapore to Australia is the safest route you can take, and yet, they could have been doomed. When it's your time it's just your time. But you WILL NOT get a safer route than that one. Also from Singapore to London. Almost 100% over land. Aside a few small sections of water.
Why the cause of the multiple failures weren’t mentioned in the video?
9:08 he tells us
Cosmic rays
I actually burst out laughing at his nickname, that was awesome.. and so well presented 😂
Can a reindeer actually laugh?
Mate I'm still laughing, this is the best lunch break I've had in a while. I think it's a stag lol
@@-prototype1338 😂
Man, such a freaking good channel. I'll be happy to have been here from the beginning when thus channel blows and have millions of subscribers!
Thanks!
I don't blame pilot Sullivan one bit! I would never want to pilot again after having my controls go dead!
Capitan may be called there a "Shit Magnet", but all of his unlucky times he got out alive. Isn't it professionalism?
Shit Magnet is a term of endearment, its not an insult nor a slight on anyone's skills. He just happened to be on duty whenever something went wrong. It's just a reference to his bad luck. Living in Australia for many years, he would have known it isn't intended to be disrespectful. I worked in a prison and my former supervisor was a shit magnet. Whenever there was an emergency of some sort - a fire, riot, self harm, someone's had a heart attack or whatever - chances are he was probably on duty. No one wanted to work with him 😆.
My wife and I almost lost it when you pronounced the nickname, "Shit Magnet" multiple times...😂😂😂
Simply an incredible channel.
I'm hooked!
Welcome aboard!
17:01 If that's not a mayday, I don't know what is...
After having watched the documentary about this flight as well as having read Captain Sullivan's excellent book "No Man's Land", this video is an excellent informative piece which really highlights the nightmare scenario in which the hero captain Sullivan and his crew managed to stay level headed amid the cacophony of "stall", ":overspeed" and other computer warnings, and the pitch downs and were still able to land the plane . I love the details which illustrate how unpredictable and erratic it must have felt like to fly this plane and how by Sullivan's great skills and team work with his crew all the lives on board were saved. Kudos and highest respect! I sure hope the computer errors that occurred have been solved by now? The only thing I don't agree with here is the term "shit magnet". Obviously Captain Sullivan had nothing to do with attracting these incidents, he just flew many many hours and shit happens.
Thanks!
I just binge watching this channel and everytime I clicked the video its always A330
Then you didn't watch all the videos haha
It was HAL 9000
What was the rootcause of the malfuntion?
Probably solar rays
I think the captain and crew did a good job getting it to land safely but i don't think an aircraft should have the ability to overide the pilots inputs because of issues like this. There should always be an option to disable all computer systems and allow for full manual control because seeing the aircraft dip because it had faulty AoA and speed readings, decided to dip, the captain pulls back on the stick and the computer ignores the input and overrides the captains input, that is just so wrong and dangerous to me.
Happy arvo, mates. We all (should) know it since decades by research of real expert brains:
"QANTAS. QANTAS never crashed."
(Raymond Babbit 1998 ;-)
Seriously:
Respect to your relatively new channel with high quality videos in content and production value also. Found today and seen all episodes already, thanks for providing. Surely your channel will grow in a time. Be patient and keep going, guys.
Back to video content:
Flying with Quantas operated by two experienced US and Royal Navy pilots and another colleague? With this captain named Kevin "The Shit Magnet" Sullivan?
And you would've had any concerns before?
Folks, that's his fighter pilot's name. This dude was used to handle the biggest SHIT you could imagine as his every day business.
And you can bet he was one of the best possible 'choices' by fate to handle these shitty software problems and push the airplane producers to get their job done to build legit systems instead of installing kinda 'Windows 11 beta' on their planes.
I would've had absolutely no concerns to take this flight!
Before knowing about the event of course - but who knows the future? You've to decide always before you know.
And it's the same 'garbage system problem' like in nearly every brand new designed devices with also new build in software which usually leads to most of the device's malfunctions:
Cars, mobile phones, TV sets, 'smart' home devices in kitchens or whereever and whatever. Should I go on?
I would just stick to the second or even third last generation of devices/software which has already proofed it's reliability instead of the "newest shit" that is definitely the most expensive and is likely not functioning well.
That may be the reason why it's called "the newest SHIT" !-)
I've bought e.g. a Samsung Galaxy S10+ as the next Samsung 'flagship phone' S20 was sold and the S21 to come. The S10+ was less than half the price of the S20, had nearly the same "power" & functions and - most important - no beta version issues. Yes, much research before, but I'm totally satisfied until I bought it a few years ago and no issues so far. Same strategy successful with many other devices. Just telling.
Off thread video content, I know. But may this strategy also apply to flight travel somehow? I don't know and would like to read reasonable answers if you know some.
Stay safe, guys ...
It's always the airbus with all it's computers that has computer issues. I still prefer a boeing with more direct controls. Even with all the scandals
Oh is it now. Clearly you haven’t bothered to do much research then because there are plenty of times Boeing computers have caused problems that led to crashes
Why can't we make a bigger runway.. In respective of width and length also
Learmonth airport is in a remote part of Australia and not usually used for aircraft of this size. It's mostly for smaller, narrower aircraft like the Airbus A220 with about 130 seats, not a big bodied A330 like this big girl with 300+ seats. There's no need to make the runway bigger.
Is this captain sully, same guy who landed in river? Or is he different person?
Different person
This is incomplete! What caused this?
2:14 came outta nowhere and got me rollin 😂
Thrilling video, really well made. However a bit of an explanation of what caused the situation in the first place and analysis of the final report would have been interesting and could provide a bit of closure for the viewers.
This channel and Green Dot Aviation are the best 2 channels on youtube :)
Wow, thanks!
This guy desurve 1 mil subs frrr. Ur so professional
Did they lawsuit the shit out of airbus?
I took my hat off for this real pilot!
The pilots before computers took over flew planes in all types of weather and situations and they were using analog equipment and they never had these problems with their aircraft, how many planes has crashed because of the error of computers in charge of the plane.
The relish in his voice when he says "the shit magnet"
I'd imagine an unlucky pilot (not by taking risks) who's still alive is probably exceptionally competent.
Qantas have never lost a plane.. professional pilots brought down distraught planes down safely
Wrong. Look pre 1954
Imagine u in toilet and seee water from toilet drop fountain during nosedive at qantas flight 72.
Airbus has a long history of the computer trying to crash the aircraft.
This is the best aviation crash channel by far! Bravo 👏👏👏
You can add subtitles for non native English speakers
I very much enjoyed the video up until the end. I was expecting and after event explanation as to what caused the plane to malfunction to begin with.
i was one of the passengers on board this and we were all really lucky to be alive that day
I owe my life to captain Kevin Sullivan and the crew of Flight 72 aswell as the lives of my family and the lives of every other passenger on board
after that experience I had PTSD which has been mostly cured but still get very minor episodes every now and again, I also developed a fear of flying for a few years but eventually overcame it, I still get moments of terror during turbulence however
it will likely forever go down as the most terrifying moment in my life
I was fishing and saw this first hand.
Did you catch something while watching?
Qantas-1920 I believe they were founded-- have had not a single hull loss (loss of an airplane) in their more than 100 year history. Theyve been blessed with great pilots over all those years. The A380 (QF32) landing in Singapore the following year was another act of absolute heroism from a Qantas crew. My hat comes off to this crew
Ex-US Navy pilot Cpt. Sullivan, fighter name "THE SHIT MAGNET", used to handle biggest SHIT as every day's business, JUST NAILED IT !!! No concerns! HE SAVED ALL from certain death also pushing airplane producers to get their job done right for us now! CHAPEAU, Cpt. Sullivan! He can fly airplanes made of SHIT !-)
"Quantas. Quantas never crashed." (Raymond Babbit 1998)
Thanks for awesome videos of high quality.
PS: At 22:37 german ADAC "Notarzt" helicopter in Australian nowhere? 'OK, just to imagine situation.' But you never know - ADAC is everywhere, mates ;o)
(TLDR version on point. But my overlength comment analyses the root problem deeper. So if interested .-)
I didn't realise that this channel was soo young. I look forward to great storytelling!
Glad you enjoy it!
Really nice video, but I miss an explanation of what happened. I know it because I've studied this case from several angles, and it's quite amazing that one of the explanations is that a cosmic ray changed a bit in the computer and sent wrong information, but it would be nice for the next one to deepen in the actual investigation. In any case, thank you!
Thanks for your feedback!
@@H0ttabych Actually, they don't know what caused the problem, but the effect was that the ADIRU CPU relabelled certain data, and instead of being the altitude, the module thought it was the angle of attack. And for that to happen, only one bit had to change, hence the theory of the cosmic ray. So maybe the bit change wasn't on the memory, maybe it was in one of the registers of the CPU, or maybe the cause wasn't a cosmic ray, as I said, because it's only one of the theories, as I commented on my message. But in any case, as a computer engineer, I'm still baffled how they thought it was a good idea to have two different labels (altitude and angle of attack) separated by a distance of 1! That's a no-no when designing robust systems, but I guess those were other times. You can find more information on this incident and the cosmic rays theory in the video titled "The Universe is Hostile to Computers" by veritasium on TH-cam, or the episode of Air Crash Investigation dedicated to this incident.
Thank you for not making your videos absurdly long for no reason (unlike another major TH-cam Channel who shall not be named).
You're welcome!
That was intense. Thanks for the video
That moment when you get a stall and overspeed warnins simultaneously:
Qantas don't have Rolls Royce engines on their A330's. They have CF6 engines. VH-QPA was the aircraft involved.
if I knew the pilots nickname was the SHIT MAGNET 💩🧲 ain’t no way I was getting on that plane 😭😩
This is great. I just finished all their videos and they upload a new one today. Amazing. This channel going to be huge.
Shit magnet ❌ Super hero ✅
This is why i ALWAYS keep my seatbelt firmly on at all times.