Rich or not, a real friend does not divulge your secrets, especially not for his own gain. I enjoy Capote's writing, but he was a real jerk and a lousy friend. The swans were right to dump him, cold.
He was a standard misogynist that didn't see women as people so much as consumable items - but he was gay, so instead of trying to sleep with them, he found other ways to use them.
And as with all people like him, he was the victim, he was depressed, he was sad. Nevermind that he made fools of them, he never even apologised. He got exactly what he deserved.
I dunno. He was vulnerable. It’s not like the couldn’t have sucked him in to convince him they were his friend abd avoid being exposed. Sure he probably got dirt first. But he clearly was torn about revealing the depth of their depravity . They were not even aware of that in my opinion. Hey we’re to self centered to really give a shit about poverty bigotry sexism and real pain Babe had it and she was relatable to Truman. He was never really relatable to her no one was not. Even her own kids got that kind of empathy and compassion.
You wanna know how classy Jacqueline Onassis was? She wasn't upset about what her sister said about her, she was mad at Truman for betraying her sister's trust.
He hated jackie oasis because she would not suffer him at all. She was too smart for that. That made her enemy number one in his eyes. He was a pathetic little creature.
She was probably perfectly aware of what her true relationship with her own sister was, and didn't see it as being anyone else's business - regardless of how honest or dishonest capote was being.
If this is true, and l've no reason to think other wise, it further demonstrates the nobility and character of this extraordinary, exquisite lady...Jacqueline... (Kennedy).❤
Lee Radziwill's competitive relationship with Jackie led to marrying a man who was essentially a minor Polish aristocrat who had to ask Queen Elizabeth for permission to keep his title. But the title was superficially impressive and appearance is all that matters in American high society anyway.
The one thing babe needed more than anything was a good friend, and Truman had that spot and just walked all over it, the betrayal was unforgivable!!! I totally get babe❤
I do like the costumes and the locations of the show. It does feel a bit like 1960s Gossip girl but I do feel they should have built up Capote realationship with Swans before the article so that way the audience can feel the betrayal more. Naomi Watts is doing a good job as Babe
Truman Capote is the only writer whose life I am interested in knowing more about. His end was grim. He didn't seem capable of loving anyone more than his writing and his mother who is claim to have wished to belong to the high society and was rejected by it.
And yet he was deeply loved by all of these women but that wasn't enough. At some point you have to take responsibility for your own actions. And you cannot use the way your parents treated go out and hurt people.. He knew very well what he was doing. He was a pathetic person not because his upbringing but because he chose to be.
It was a mutually beneficial relationship where these women treated him like a playful poodle that was sufficiently witty for them to let go of inhibitions and dish out secrets to him without considering the risk. On the other hand he was a gay guy in an age where it wasn't easy to be. Anywhere outside that gilded bubble he'd be doomed to homophobic harassment. Add to that his need to be something more glamorous or reach higher than was possible for someone of his position at that time in America and this is what you get. These women were pathetic gold diggers and got backstabbed by him. The unfortunate truth was that he needed them instead more than they needed him, since they were his golden ticket to the high society. The only genuinely good piece of work he did was in Cold Blood. Breakfast at Tiffany's is more famous for Hepburn's role in the movie than the text it was based on.
The latest episode, the one with James Baldwin, is the best one of the series so far. They say there's always three versions of the truth: yours, mine, and what really happened. So far, the feud is pretty one sided - Truman betrayed these women. This last episode presents another facet of the truth - these women exploited Truman (and others) for their own amusement and the dog just happened to bite back.
I believe that exploitation was a double edged sword in this case. Capote exploited the Swans for his needs and they exploited him for theirs. For the most part, probably equitable exploitation (if there is such a thing). However, betrayal is an entirely different matter. Capote had not written anything in years and had been give several deadlines and some generous advances by Random House to complete Answered Prayers, which he was struggling to do. Having all of that juicy gossip in his back pocket was just too tempting, in my opinion.
The reason Joanne Carson did not take offense to what was said about her and her life in Lacote Basque 1965 was because the whole world already knew it... So technically he have not embarrassed or disclosed anything that would hurt her. Not so with all the other women. Their lives were private and he only knew about them because they confided in him. He also went a lot easier on cz in the story. Much of what you discussed about her in the article was already known.
A bit of a wrong note when you allude in passing to David O. Selznick’s wife without naming her considering that she, Jennifer Jones, was a highly successful film actress in the forties and fifties. She presumably introduced her husband to Capote after getting to know him in connection with “Beat the Devil.” and was at least as instrumental as her husband in inviting him.
A bit disappointed that they dont have Gloria Guinness or Marella Agnelli in the show (budget constraints i guess), but in general its a solid show. Its likd a gay version of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, telling us not how it was but how it should have been.
I don't blame Babe. The worst betrayal. She told him all the secrets. You don't expect your dearest, closest friend, is the one who betrayed you. What a shock!
Im a little disappointed in some of the comments here Just because they were wealthy doesn't mean their feelings are less valid, there is a lot of judgemental thoughts and very little empathy for the swans
Lee Radziwill probably wasn’t featured as much in early episodes because she’s considerably younger then the other swans were and though I LOVE Callista Flockhart, it’s kinda unrealistic for her to portray a 28 or 29 year old Lee
the swans wanted perfection so badly they did everything they could to look gorgeous day in and day out throwing lavish dinner parties and decorating massive homes around the globe. they held a lot inside to make themselves believable to the world. the one place they believed they could let out their darkest secrets was with this little man with the funny high pitched voice who was intelligent. they all knew he was IN with their circle and he made each of them feel special. i still to this day do not understand what he was thinking or what he thought the reaction by these swans and their husbands and families would be. you can say they used him, but at that level of wealth and the high society lifestyles and the odd perfection they each portrayed to the world he was a perfect safe friend and women and gay men are known to make excellent friends. his writings about them seems treasonous, absurdly hurtful, deceitful and the list goes on, but thats the level of outrageous betrayal and total lack of consideration he displayed. babe held everything inside. most of those women did. and jacqueline bouvier did the same, as wonderful as i believe she was she held a lot inside. i met jacqueline, lee, babe, pat buckley, william buckley and truman in my time in NYC and for truman to do what he did eludes me. the pain he brought those women, they never ever brought him pain, they adored the little guy bc they also believed he adored them. he was a great listener. and a voyeur like andy warhol only vicious.
Rich peoples problems 😅. But Truman Capote was an opportunistic, egoistical narcissist. I certainly would not want him for a friend. Tom Holland certainly played him that way
After such a close friend has stabbed you in the back, you really don't want any more friends. You have spent so much time, money, and opened yourself up to no one but your close friend. Totally, shocked. Couldn't happen. He would never. When reality witch slaps you, your filled with hatred. And definitely, you will not ever, make new or have new friends.
Why is the emphasis placed on the personal relationships? Of course, from the perspective of these rich and entitled people, Capote was a treacherous snake. But in my book, Capote risked everything to show that these 'giants' of society had in fact feet of clay. He made us see what was behind this facade of glamour and pointed at the emptiness of these vacuous and gossipy lives, biting the hand that fed him in the process. This might have been all revenge against the same cruel high society that ostracized her mother in the first place. Serves them right!
I read the short story. Too gossipy but little depth. It could have been brilliant and gone beyond the obvious. Too bad. It's too bad if people admire people simply for their wealth and status based on whom they married.
Truman broke off with Lee because she wouldn't testify for him in a civil case brought by Gore Vidal. Vidal also sued William Buckley. Vidal and Buckley almost came to blows while commenting at the 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention. I wonder if it's on TH-cam. It seems Vidal was quite a litigious fellow.
Capote. InCold Blood was groundbreaking, yet I have always wondered if he could have written it without Harper Lee. Also wonder how Capote dealt with Ms Lee's To Kill A Mockingbird.
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Rich or not, a real friend does not divulge your secrets, especially not for his own gain. I enjoy Capote's writing, but he was a real jerk and a lousy friend. The swans were right to dump him, cold.
Totally right! Honestly, what did he think they would do?
He was a standard misogynist that didn't see women as people so much as consumable items - but he was gay, so instead of trying to sleep with them, he found other ways to use them.
And as with all people like him, he was the victim, he was depressed, he was sad. Nevermind that he made fools of them, he never even apologised. He got exactly what he deserved.
I dunno. He was vulnerable. It’s not like the couldn’t have sucked him in to convince him they were his friend abd avoid being exposed. Sure he probably got dirt first. But he clearly was torn about revealing the depth of their depravity . They were not even aware of that in my opinion. Hey we’re to self centered to really give a shit about poverty bigotry sexism and real pain Babe had it and she was relatable to Truman. He was never really relatable to her no one was not. Even her own kids got that kind of empathy and compassion.
@@GiftSparkswhat did they think he’d do?
You wanna know how classy Jacqueline Onassis was?
She wasn't upset about what her sister said about her, she was mad at Truman for betraying her sister's trust.
He hated jackie oasis because she would not suffer him at all. She was too smart for that. That made her enemy number one in his eyes. He was a pathetic little creature.
She was probably perfectly aware of what her true relationship with her own sister was, and didn't see it as being anyone else's business - regardless of how honest or dishonest capote was being.
If this is true, and l've no reason to think other wise, it further demonstrates the nobility and character of this extraordinary, exquisite lady...Jacqueline... (Kennedy).❤
That makes her a class act
I don’t know how classy she was but I think she was a bad sister.Why would she date her sisters’ man? Onassis was with her sister first.
Lee Radziwill's competitive relationship with Jackie led to marrying a man who was essentially a minor Polish aristocrat who had to ask Queen Elizabeth for permission to keep his title. But the title was superficially impressive and appearance is all that matters in American high society anyway.
The one thing babe needed more than anything was a good friend, and Truman had that spot and just walked all over it, the betrayal was unforgivable!!! I totally get babe❤
I love that lady ❤️ don't know her but from what I gather she was a decent person but idk
I do like the costumes and the locations of the show. It does feel a bit like 1960s Gossip girl
but I do feel they should have built up Capote realationship with Swans before the article so that way the audience can feel the betrayal more. Naomi Watts is doing a good job as Babe
Truman Capote is the only writer whose life I am interested in knowing more about. His end was grim. He didn't seem capable of loving anyone more than his writing and his mother who is claim to have wished to belong to the high society and was rejected by it.
And yet he was deeply loved by all of these women but that wasn't enough. At some point you have to take responsibility for your own actions. And you cannot use the way your parents treated go out and hurt people.. He knew very well what he was doing. He was a pathetic person not because his upbringing but because he chose to be.
It was a mutually beneficial relationship where these women treated him like a playful poodle that was sufficiently witty for them to let go of inhibitions and dish out secrets to him without considering the risk. On the other hand he was a gay guy in an age where it wasn't easy to be. Anywhere outside that gilded bubble he'd be doomed to homophobic harassment. Add to that his need to be something more glamorous or reach higher than was possible for someone of his position at that time in America and this is what you get. These women were pathetic gold diggers and got backstabbed by him. The unfortunate truth was that he needed them instead more than they needed him, since they were his golden ticket to the high society. The only genuinely good piece of work he did was in Cold Blood. Breakfast at Tiffany's is more famous for Hepburn's role in the movie than the text it was based on.
The James Baldwin episode stole the show for me. I've been intrigued with him ever since.
The latest episode, the one with James Baldwin, is the best one of the series so far. They say there's always three versions of the truth: yours, mine, and what really happened. So far, the feud is pretty one sided - Truman betrayed these women. This last episode presents another facet of the truth - these women exploited Truman (and others) for their own amusement and the dog just happened to bite back.
It was the worst episode. Tedious insertion of a black.
Exactly. It was a class thing.
I believe that exploitation was a double edged sword in this case. Capote exploited the Swans for his needs and they exploited him for theirs. For the most part, probably equitable exploitation (if there is such a thing). However, betrayal is an entirely different matter. Capote had not written anything in years and had been give several deadlines and some generous advances by Random House to complete Answered Prayers, which he was struggling to do. Having all of that juicy gossip in his back pocket was just too tempting, in my opinion.
The reason Joanne Carson did not take offense to what was said about her and her life in Lacote Basque 1965 was because the whole world already knew it... So technically he have not embarrassed or disclosed anything that would hurt her. Not so with all the other women. Their lives were private and he only knew about them because they confided in him.
He also went a lot easier on cz in the story. Much of what you discussed about her in the article was already known.
A bit of a wrong note when you allude in passing to David O. Selznick’s wife without naming her considering that she, Jennifer Jones, was a highly successful film actress in the forties and fifties. She presumably introduced her husband to Capote after getting to know him in connection with “Beat the Devil.” and was at least as instrumental as her husband in inviting him.
Tom and Naomi are doing a good job in this show
Tom is amazing the voice the way he talks like him is amazing .he said in a interview he had a very good voice coach an it shows
Why dies this reminds me of Daniel Humphry and Gossip girl?
I feel like Capote was one of the OG of Gossip Girl of that time.
Gossip girl mentions Dominick Dunn, but capote did it first
A bit disappointed that they dont have Gloria Guinness or Marella Agnelli in the show (budget constraints i guess), but in general its a solid show. Its likd a gay version of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, telling us not how it was but how it should have been.
I don't blame Babe. The worst betrayal. She told him all the secrets. You don't expect your dearest, closest friend, is the one who betrayed you. What a shock!
Any secret has only a 6 % chance of being kept by another person
Is that hyperbole or did someone do a study on secrets or somethin?
Im a little disappointed in some of the comments here
Just because they were wealthy doesn't mean their feelings are less valid, there is a lot of judgemental thoughts and very little empathy for the swans
They had affairs, okey i guess we can forgive them now, right?
I haven't heard of this project yet. Thanks for the recommendation.
Lee Radziwill probably wasn’t featured as much in early episodes because she’s considerably younger then the other swans were and though I LOVE Callista Flockhart, it’s kinda unrealistic for her to portray a 28 or 29 year old Lee
Truman was a jerk, plain and simple. He got what he deserved.
Capote was the original influencer
Right , I thought he was the first Perez Hilton lol 😆
@@Perishena1omg I said the exact same thing when I was watching Feuds. The original Perez Hilton. Both horrible humans, tbh!
Lee was so much prettier in real life. Always smiling. I don’t think her portrayal is very accurate.
Babe Paley had 4 children, a boy and a girl from each marriage.
She really did strive to perfection. Gave each husband an heir and a daughter.
She’s my favorite swan 🦢 ❤
@@tiffanyferguson829I guess I don't know where her kids where but allegedly they didn't want much to do with her ?
The Maisel Brothers! Thank you for their name! Everlasting be Grey Gardens!
the swans wanted perfection so badly they did everything they could to look gorgeous day in and day out throwing lavish dinner parties and decorating massive homes around the globe. they held a lot inside to make themselves believable to the world. the one place they believed they could let out their darkest secrets was with this little man with the funny high pitched voice who was intelligent. they all knew he was IN with their circle and he made each of them feel special. i still to this day do not understand what he was thinking or what he thought the reaction by these swans and their husbands and families would be. you can say they used him, but at that level of wealth and the high society lifestyles and the odd perfection they each portrayed to the world he was a perfect safe friend and women and gay men are known to make excellent friends. his writings about them seems treasonous, absurdly hurtful, deceitful and the list goes on, but thats the level of outrageous betrayal and total lack of consideration he displayed. babe held everything inside. most of those women did. and jacqueline bouvier did the same, as wonderful as i believe she was she held a lot inside. i met jacqueline, lee, babe, pat buckley, william buckley and truman in my time in NYC and for truman to do what he did eludes me. the pain he brought those women, they never ever brought him pain, they adored the little guy bc they also believed he adored them. he was a great listener. and a voyeur like andy warhol only vicious.
What about Tennessee Williams, Faulkner and O'Neal, for example?
Rich peoples problems 😅. But Truman Capote was an opportunistic, egoistical narcissist. I certainly would not want him for a friend. Tom Holland certainly played him that way
After such a close friend has stabbed you in the back, you really don't want any more friends. You have spent so much time, money, and opened yourself up to no one but your close friend. Totally, shocked. Couldn't happen. He would never. When reality witch slaps you, your filled with hatred. And definitely, you will not ever, make new or have new friends.
I have respect for CZ
He only learned their secretes because they thought he was their friend. What a sad selfish man.
Who knows. Rich people say a lot of intimate things in the presence of servants and employees
Bill and Babe had 2 kids, Billie and Kate
I thought Treat Williams had died. Nice to see I was mistaken.
The did
This was his last role
Sad but he was fantastic in this @@ohwell94
Luv this series ❤
Why is the emphasis placed on the personal relationships? Of course, from the perspective of these rich and entitled people, Capote was a treacherous snake. But in my book, Capote risked everything to show that these 'giants' of society had in fact feet of clay. He made us see what was behind this facade of glamour and pointed at the emptiness of these vacuous and gossipy lives, biting the hand that fed him in the process. This might have been all revenge against the same cruel high society that ostracized her mother in the first place. Serves them right!
I read the short story. Too gossipy but little depth. It could have been brilliant and gone beyond the obvious. Too bad. It's too bad if people admire people simply for their wealth and status based on whom they married.
Truman broke off with Lee because she wouldn't testify for him in a civil case brought by Gore Vidal. Vidal also sued William Buckley. Vidal and Buckley almost came to blows while commenting at the 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention. I wonder if it's on TH-cam. It seems Vidal was quite a litigious fellow.
A better title for Answered Prayers would have been Rich People Fucking
Another good title would have been "Broken Promises."
I’m looking forward to seeing this
Chloe was perfect for CZ
What about Kate McCloud?
So rad well would have known big Edie and little Edie out in gray gardens
Woah l remember watching a documentary about them here on TH-cam. It was tough to see...
Well of course, Big Edie was Lee's aunt and Little Edie was her cousin.
Isn't Hemingway the most famous mid-century American writer?
I thought James Baldwin was
Capote was infamous
Poet! ;)
Steinbeck is..
Capote. InCold Blood was groundbreaking, yet I have always wondered if he could have written it without Harper Lee. Also wonder how Capote dealt with Ms Lee's To Kill A Mockingbird.
Rich people are a bore.
💜💜💜
14:54 Calista was great. The show was ok, worsen by the woke propaganda. Too bad the writers had to ruined it with that.
Rich people acting ghetto.
I wish they had made up