Did Jesus Die For Our Sins? A Debate with Rabbi Shmuley Boteach
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- Did Jesus Die For Our Sins? A Debate with Rabbi Shmuley Boteach
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The Rabbi almost malignantly tried to play on the emotions of the people.
That's all he's managed to do! He starts using his own words that Dr Brown adopted and turned it against him.
Where did he misspoke? Misquote scripture? An emotional answer can be right despite your sensitivity and inability to distinguish truth from "manipulation". If your comprehension is that dull, leave.
@@AndrewGiles688the word is “misspeak”. And if u weren’t so emotional perhaps u could dissect the truth of what Dr Mike Brown spoke while distinguishing the contradictions the rabbi levied against his own position.
@@swolenj there’s no need for an immature response. I was simply stating his position is not determined whether he’s emotional or not. I’m sure Michael Brown is passionate about this as well.
Yes either that or you are under the law of Moses with no sacrificial system and in your sins. No one got away with sins in law of Moses you had to provide a sacrifice and high priest had to once a year provide atonement. No temple no atonement no sacrifice you're in your sins. Unless you're covered by the one High Priest who made perfect sacrifice forever.
Shalom, Salam, Peace.
In The Name Of God, Most Gracious, Most Compassionate.
Quran [Last Testament] [3:84] Say, “We have believed in God and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Believers [submitting] to Him.”
[4:157] And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God .” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
[4:171] O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about God except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of God and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in God and His messengers. And do not say, “Three”; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, God is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is God as Disposer of affairs.
[4:172] Never would the Messiah disdain to be a servant of God , nor would the angels near [to Him]. And whoever disdains His worship and is arrogant - He will gather them to Himself all together.
[5:17] They have certainly disbelieved who say that God is the Christ , the son of Mary. Say, “Then who could prevent God at all if He had intended to destroy the Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?” And to God belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and God is over all things competent.
@@omarlittle-hales8237 islam is religion of satan. Muslims are the most immoral hateful lying corrupt people I've ever known. Your prophet who didn't prophesy anything is a false prophet. You're murderers who will be dealt with by God.
@@omarlittle-hales8237 1John 2: 22-24 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
@@omarlittle-hales8237 The Qu'ran contradicts the Bible, it is not of of God.
Galatians 1:8-9
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
@@omarlittle-hales8237 I recommend Sam Shamoun. God bless 🙏.
Rabbi Shumely is debating like an atheist.
Rabbi Shumely is debating like the Satan.
A lot of rabbinic Jews tend to do that.
@nathanrichards5234 I notice they often agree with atheists against Jesus which, ultimately, only serves to undermine Judaism. And propagate atheism.
@@tatie7604 Yes.
Yes, I’ve also confused anti-missionaries, though eloquent, and great debaters, as being atheistic scholars. This I think is what happens when you spend most of your time in extra biblical books (full of debates and opinion) and not spending your time in the Tanakh and Brit Hadasha!
You hear this anti-missionary speaking of himself as part of the righteous… and it’s a no wonder why a Jewish author wrote in the New Testament that there is none who are righteous.
I’ve seen arrogance among Protestants and Catholics and I’ve seen it among Orthodox Judaism. All have stumbled.
I have to turn this off. These people are incredibly pathetic perpetual victims. Good job Dr.Brown
DrBrown you used your time effectively. I got a bit upset around 51:00 because the Rabbi started complaining about the destruction of the temple and using it as an argument. I think the destruction of the temple was a clear punishment lesson from God, but instead of acknowledging their sin, Jewish leaders looked for a way to turn a profit by playing the victim at every opportunity. Even to this day. It's nausiating and I applaud your patience in dealing with this properly with scripture. You're ministry is creating God's high value people!
Nauseating?...please...you' taking it personally? Using it to turn a profit??...these kind of exaggerations show bigotry and ignorance. You're not helping anyone. You're promoting antisemitism. Of coarse it's fine to disagree and debate but it's not okay to insult people.
@@richardvass1462 I didn't insult anyone with my comment, I only mentioned how I personally feel when I hear this deflective defense mechanism used over and over again by the Jewish scholars. I think you're trying to agitate me and trying to create the impression of an insult. This is another tactic commonly used by a certain group of people, misrepresenting their statements in an effort to get a certain message cancelled. I wont fall for the sick self-serving fantasy
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I am sorry. I must have been having a bad day. Shalom
@@richardvass1462 I'm glad we can set aside differences and both respect each other. I will admit, I was also somewhat moody when I made my original comment. It's a rare moment when we can all be civilized on TH-cam.
@@richardvass1462 I love your apology, but how does one honey the bitter message of Lamentations? How does a messenger tell the truth of Israel’s repeated turning from God and repeated punishment under the law and not come across as anti-Semitic? I’m sincerely asking.
The good news of the blood of the Lamb of God saving the world is foolishness to the perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the very power of God.
Like Passover, those who did not believe Moses’ message from God, and did not cover their home in the blood thought believers were fools. For the believers, the blood saved them from death.
Please hear the message of Jesus with the spirit of love that it is intended. A Christian that does not bless Israel is no true Christian. We are called to share the Son of David, the Lamb of God with the world. I pray Israel softens her heart, and comes home not just to the promised land, but the true Messiah. The weight of the old covenant has crushed Israel for too long. Please, come back to the Lord, through His Son, Yeshua Hamashiach.
Trusting in Jesus the Messiah, and the blood that was spilled is the new covenant that saves us from sin and the death from our failure to keep all God’s Law.
““Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah- not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.””
Jeremiah 31:31-34 NKJV
bible.com/bible/114/jer.31.31-34.NKJV
So wise is Dr Brown im greatly grateful for you.
Forever a classic. Thank you Dr. Brown for all your work
Scripture is clear that in the end the vast majority of Jews rejected and despised Jesus. It should also be pointed out that Isaiah 53 does not specifically state that he is despised only while here in the flesh. The fact that most Jews, like rabbi Shmuley, will reject so much of their own scripture and tradition in an attempt to delegitimize Jesus is, in and of itself, fulfillment of Isaiah 53.
😅 The rabbi isn’t saying anything new to how the Jewish people have always viewed Isaiah 53. It’s not that Israel or a singular person died “for” the sins of the world/nations as people seem to think, that would constitute vicarious atonement which is forbidden and spoken against by the prophets. It’s Israel dying BECAUSE of the sins of the nations as its indicated in the following sequence of events. Isaiah is narrating what the kings of nations have come to realize and will say before the messianic era: We, (the kings of nations are speaking), thought him, (Israel) stricken of God but it was because of our sins, (the nations sins) he, (Israel) suffered. This acknowledgment of the nations is what causes their atonement. It parallels David’s story where, just as G-d forgave David his sin with Batsheva and Uriah, in that same manner, it triggers Gods forgiveness to the nations. King David realized his error when he plotted and killed Uriah. David realizes that he sinned and his recognition of that was all that was needed for God to forgive him. As Nathan said when David uttered the words “I have sinned before the L-rd”. Nathan said; God has already forgiven you. Dr Brown may have a phd and may quote from the top of his head but they are all misquotes and meanings taken out of context. Micheal Brown’s final discourse wasn’t an appeal to knowledge but emotion. The fact is that his prayer will go unanswered because God already tells us in his Torah that a man cannot die on anyone’s behalf, that the just cannot die for the unjust nor there’s anything stating that the “messiah” is to die and rise again on the 3rd day. So all you that follow Browns message, study the Torah because Gods answer to you is already there, NO need to make the prayer Brown stated because it will be in vain. To worship a man and Jesus was a man, is called foreign worship and idolatry, utterly repulsive to G-d, utterly repulsive to Judaism. Christianity is a forgery created by Rome not Israel.
@@avrahamisaacs2593 FALSE! Many rabbis Gabe acknowledged that isaiah 53 is about the suffering of the messiah
@@sonoftheking1977 The fact that Isaiah 53 is talking about a messiah or a single individual is not supported. Though it is a messianic text, the word messiah is not even found in Isaiah 53 or that it is implying to an individual as a servant but according to our Talmud it can mean that if you pick a single individual from the righteous remnant of Israel, that single individual is a servant of God because he’s a part of the righteous remnant. So yes, the messiah is a servant. However, 53 is not referring solely to the messianic figure but all Israel as Gods servant. The reason we know it’s the righteous “remnants” of Israel is because of the context throughout Isaiah leading up to Isaiah 53, Israel as a whole is constantly mentioned as the servant of God. Isaiah assumed you would read the prior chapters of his book to know what Isaiah 53 was talking about like any other book or novel would. The suffering servant is Israel. Just look at ancient and recent history, the closest history is the holocaust. Who suffered, Jesus? lol No sir. And why has Israel suffered? People like yourself will quote Mathew or maybe it’s the gospel of John I’m not sure but Christian’s will quote these words that Jews supposedly said “his blood be upon us and our children forever”. So the world thinks we are smitten of God but it was because of the nations sins we suffered. Just look at today’s news isn’t Israel evil in the eyes of the world? You think that’s not a suffering we are enduring? So what’s the problem in you understanding this? More precisely, Isaiah 65 narrates what’s happening and what G-d is doing to the nations. He’s rebuking them because he sent Israel to them to be a light unto them but all they did was shun, persecute and kill his “servants” this time he’s clear about it. He’s clear in Isaiah 65 because 53 was the fourth of four servant songs written in a poetic language.
@avrahamisaacs2593 That's not what I read in the prophets. Israel suffers because yal love sin more than ha shem not because of the sins of the nations. That's why Israel has one if the largest pride parades. And also because you kill ur own prophets the same way your fore fathers did Yeshua. Plus Israel's suffering as Dr brown mentioned hasn't really brought anyone to know the God of Israel. Many people worship YOUR GOD BECAUSE OF YESHUA NOT BECAUSE OF ISRAEL AS A NATION ITSELF. MANY PEOLLE READ YOUR TORAH BECAUSE OF JESUS. NOT BECAUSE OF YOU OR ANY OTHER JEW. Jesus is the messiah repent or perish in ur sins
@@sonoftheking1977 I responded so that we can keep reasoning together.
His opening sounded straight from the Garden.. All you have to do is eat the fruit and you will be like God...
I can choose my own destiny, I can be responsible for my sin, I can take pride in, I can, I can, I am, I am, I will, I will.. “I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north” (Isaiah 14:13).
There is beauty in understanding that... You can't.
Thank you Dr Brown 👏🏼👏🏼 praise our Father through our Lord and Savior, our perfect Lamb, our Alpha and Omega, Jesus Christ.
Praying for pharisee Shmuley 🙏🏼
I might disagree on some secondary issues with Dr Brown but I really appreciate his work with the Jewish community. I pray God will continue to use him in this capacity.
Thanks to God He loved me and helped me in my life
Smuley watches more movies than studying the Bible and praying in the Holy Spirit
😂😂😂😂
How would he pray in the Holy Spirit that comes on those that accept Jesus as their Saviour and get born again?
Beautifully done. Glory to God.
It is the acceptance and trust in what Jesus did for us on the cross. We all deserve death, He took it for us and gave us His righteousness...evil will end.
Yahshua haMashiach shed all of His 19 to 20 cups of Blood for me and my sins and my sicknesses. "By His stripes, we are healed." This Blood will never lose Its, His, Power to save. I will never deny Him!
Revelation 19
Zechariah 14
36:24 “the lamb going to slaughter” can not and does not apply to Abraham Lincoln or Martin Luther King junior or anyone else, other than Jesus, because the lamb is and must be unblemished (innocent of sin) but Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King Jr. and every other person on the planet is not innocent.
Yes, people (including the Jewish people) suffer but they are not innocent (unblemished) against a holy God, major difference.
Dr brown responds 44:20 can’t be the nation of Israel because it would break the covenant of Leviticus and Deuteronomy and the suffering servant must be sinless.
38:35 and He rose from the dead. I'm glad this man sees the Jewish Jesus but I pray for the day he will recognize Him as Messiah, Savior and King.
Why should people recognize Jesus?
Jesus is the virgin born Son of God.
@tatie7604 What does a virgin born have to do with anything? Plus, nothing in the Old Testament even has anything close to a virgin bearing children. Even if a virgin had children, what does that have to do with transgressions and / or mankind sins and Messiah criterias
@@jbunstoppable5074The virgin birth was necessary in order that Messiah would not be linked with Adam's transgression. And therefore inherit the sinful nature which we all pocess because of that transgression.
@@springtown24 So the criteria of a messiah coming is based on an order to not link the messiah to Adam? Is this a criteria for the messiah to come mentioned in the Bible? What is the criteria for the coming messiah? I ask sincerely as I’m trying to follow the logic.
Jewish Mohammed Hijab, over here
So, he's saying that because a crowd followed, that means that more didn't despise him?
It happened in the Old Testament. Deuteronomy 28.
And it rained in the just and the unjust. Rabbi is forming an onslaught of STRAW MEN
Dr. Brown, you are so patient and loving in delivering the truth. The Rabbi asked about Jews being punished for their sins...it was not for any sin, but the sin that the scriptures several times recorded...the Jews turning away from their God...the only real and true God in the world...through which the world would be saved. God also punished those in the early church who could have spoiled His bride (i.e. Ananias and Sapphira). Lord open their eyes. Jesus said if you really believed Moses, you would have believed in me, because Moses spoke about me.
Hmm, but then maybe He should have more clearly, fulfilled all the attested Mossiach requirements, and for the suffering servant, specific physical description, and accomplishments in lifetime, however?
Also, are you including the Inquisition in these 'punishments'?
@@chrissonofpear1384 No…mainly the exile to Babylon as Jeremiah warned but the people refused to listen. Also mentioned by Dr. Brown, the Assyrian one as well.
@@smartin700 Ah, here's a more direct suggestion, rather.
Please relocate 2 Samuel 24 somewhere where the sun is not shining. It can be at either end of the spectrum, as it were.
And why didn't He pick another people, or at least try out others? What was India doing during all this silliness...
Surely many of them were less 'stiff necked' or prone to bringing out the worst in this Elohim.
Excellent work Dr Brown , you came with scriptural references, ancient sources, appeals to linguistics etc…
Rabbi Shmuley who seems like a nice dude, unfortunately just came with strawmans and emotionalism.
How? Please explain
The Pharisees said let His blood be us and our children and children and children and children, we still see it
John 19:8-10
When Pilate heard this statement, he was even more afraid, and he went back into the Praetorium. “Where are You from?” he asked.
*But Jesus gave no answer* .
So Pilate said to Him, “Do You refuse to speak to me? Do You not know that I have authority to release You and authority to crucify You?”
I love and admire Rabbi Shmuely, but it amazed me how little he seemed to understand his own Torah/Tanakh, and didn’t approach the questions with answers directly from the Bible, but used stories that pull on heartstrings to manipulate feelings. That’s gotta be the most important reason I give the win, hands down, to Dr. Brown. He wasn’t trying to make a hard sale by mustering up so much emotionally charged responses, but by pointing to Scripture, in true context, which is written in plain sight, and trusted as G-d’s Word. In closing, if you deny that which you can read for yourself, your argument is with HaShem, who because of His Love, came Himself, as a “Man”, to witness and experience the human day-to-day life, with it’s trials, discomforts, suffering and temptations-in order to have empathy for each of us-yet remaining sinless, in order to NOT ONLY be the Perfect Sacrificial Atonement for mankind, but to CRUSH the head of HaSatan, and RESTORE EDEN, as promised. Truly, only G-d could possibly accomplish such a thing! Thank You, Abba! And thank you to Rabbi Shmuely and Dr. Brown. Well done! Matthew 15:31/Romans 11:25 Mashiach Now! Maranatha! 🙌🏼
Horrible debate structure where is the cross examination that is crucial when interacting with the opposing side there was no interaction amongst one another only preaching
" without reason they hated me". 😥
Being told that you are filthy rags and that you have no righteousness or ability to sanctify yourself through works strikes an animalistic response in those who believe they can somehow make right their sins without the sacrifice of innocent blood. Also, the statements from Yeshua concerning His divinity were blasphemous to the sensibilities of those under the sway of the religious leaders of the day. But, you can’t help but notice that Nicodemus discerned who Yeshua was and he did not consider Yeshua blasphemous but rather believed that He was indeed who He claimed to be.
So, they had “reason” to hate Him but it certainly wasn’t justified since Yeshua was indeed who He said He was. And He was performing exactly what He was instructed to perform as given by God.
I could not listen to that rabbi
Listening to Rabbis in debates makes the reality of how Israel is blinded much more real.
You can say that again.
That's why so many conversions occurred when the Church had Jews debate. Great new book, "If You Believed Moses", by Fr. Mawdsley.
Jajajaja how funny are christians
How is Israel blinded? Please elaborate curious minds want to know, thank you
Your own Bible affirms Israel’s blindness. It’s not us saying it; it’s your own GOD saying it!
Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them." But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;
In reference to the rabbi’s response to the siege and destruction of the temple and killing of over 1 million. This was prophesied by Jesus in Matthew 24 and is the basis upon the judgement narrative in Revelation. It was His judgement for their rejection and murdering of the Son who came to demand fruit of the vinekeepers (Israel), just as all the murdered prophets before Him. Yet they refused, rejected, and had him murdered in cooperation with the Romans. God judged them and destroyed the temple by means of the Roman army, just as he did during their judgement and exile by the Babylonians and Assyrians.
Rabbi Shmuley Boteach comes across as completely disingenuous.
John 19
Then Pilate took Jesus and had Him flogged. The soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns, set it on His head, and dressed Him in a purple robe. 3And they went up to Him again and again, saying, “Hail, King of the Jews!” and slapping Him in the face.
4Once again Pilate came out and said to the Jews, “Look, I am bringing Him out to you to let you know that I find no basis for a charge against Him.” 5When Jesus came out wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe, Pilate said to them, “Here is the man!”
6As soon as the chief priests and officers saw Him, they shouted, “Crucify Him! Crucify Him!”
“You take Him and crucify Him,” Pilate replied, “for I find no basis for a charge against Him.”
7“We have a law,” answered the Jews, “and according to that law He must die, because He declared Himself to be the Son of God.”
8When Pilate heard this statement, he was even more afraid, 9and he went back into the Praetorium. “Where are You from?” he asked.
But Jesus gave no answer.
10So Pilate said to Him, “Do You refuse to speak to me? Do You not know that I have authority to release You and authority to crucify You?”
11Jesus answered, “You would have no authority over Me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed Me over to you is guilty of greater sin.”
12From then on, Pilate tried to release Him, but the Jews kept shouting, “If you release this man, you are no friend of Caesar. Anyone who declares himself a king is defying Caesar.”
13When Pilate heard these words, he brought Jesus out and sat on the judgment seat at a place called the Stone Pavement, which in Hebrewa is Gabbatha. 14It was the day of Preparation for the Passover, about the sixth hour.b And Pilate said to the Jews, “Here is your King!”
15At this, they shouted, “Away with Him! Away with Him! Crucify Him!”
“Shall I crucify your King?” Pilate asked.
“We have no king but Caesar,” replied the chief priests.
When was this talk actually held?
A rabbi just claimed that there are no sacrificial lambs that cleanse you from your sins, did he even read the torah?!
all of us must do our part to expose this idolatrous false religion for the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ....
Not going to lie, I've watched several rabbis debates lately and I'm still shocked that they argue like Twitch streamers for the most part, emotional arguments left and right and non-answers, they are struggling with mental gymnastic to fit their narrative at all costs, meanwhile the rest of the Christian world has realized for more than 2000 years that it's obvious that Jesus is the one who fulfilled the prophecy.
You don't need a scholar to see and understand that, but it certainly takes one to make arguments complex and hard to tackle enough so that the average guy who doesn't remember the whole books can't properly debate, dr. Brown brilliantly shows time and time again that the answer is and has been in plain sight for a long time, you just need to read the scriptures, that's it
Almost 1 with the Father. Talk about adding to scripture, Rabbi
I don't understand that
"When Christians say jesus died for your sins "
So he Eliminated the original sin (adam and eve) ?
And catholics confess their sins to a priest
TH-cam testimonies, regarding Messiah.... One For Israel
“You are the promised one of Israel, The Messiah” Peter
“You didn’t figure that out on your own, it was revealed to you from your Heavenly Father” Jesus
Rabbi is just like I was, lost and unable to believe without the Spirit revealing it.
After hearing Rabbi Shmuley Boteach's presentation on Isaiah 53, I kind of understood why Jewish learners missed their messiah when He came to them two thousand years ago and have been missing Him ever since. What a pity!
What year was this?
I think that the obvious is still being missed. How does one prove ones righteousness? Only a Jewish man raised in the Torah can fully comprehend. Jesus went to the cross to prove His righteousness and if you don’t believe He is, then you’re destined to die in your sins. Deuteronomy 21:22-23 is clear. Jesus would not have been able to rise from the dead if He had broken any of the Ten Commandments much less promise a man who had, paradise
Shalom, Salam, Peace.
In The Name Of God, Most Gracious, Most Compassionate.
Quran [Last Testament] [3:84] Say, “We have believed in God and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Believers [submitting] to Him.”
[4:157] And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God .” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
[4:171] O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about God except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of God and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in God and His messengers. And do not say, “Three”; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, God is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is God as Disposer of affairs.
[4:172] Never would the Messiah disdain to be a servant of God , nor would the angels near [to Him]. And whoever disdains His worship and is arrogant - He will gather them to Himself all together.
[5:17] They have certainly disbelieved who say that God is the Christ , the son of Mary. Say, “Then who could prevent God at all if He had intended to destroy the Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?” And to God belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and God is over all things competent.
@@omarlittle-hales8237 you cannot prove any of these things that you say about your god. If your prophet had known while, he was alive, what the cross was truly about he would've wept and begged for what the criminal had found. He would not have committed excess in his claims and you would have no religion today. In fact if all men understood the cross, there would be no religion at all, only the God of Abraham.
@@theunknownpreacher9833 Shalom, Salam, Peace.
Quran [Last Testament] We Sent Many Messenger's To The Children Of Israel, But When Ever They Did Not Like The Message We Sent Them, They Altered Scripture And Slain Our Messengers.
@@omarlittle-hales8237 who sent messengers to the Israelites? The last I checked, all the ones who were sent were Israelites. The last thing any Jew would do is alter the Torah or the Tanahk. You are accusing them of sacrilege and I would be very careful doing so. They do believe in the Talmud and the oral Torah which have little to do with the Bible. By the way, there is no event that comes close to the cross which you deny. I get it, most men don’t come close to seeing the glory that was hidden there. It is so great that even if I showed it to you, you still wouldn’t understand it. I see it and it blows my mind. It destroys ALL religions including Christianity. There is no “conversion” or “reversion” that can save any man.
@@theunknownpreacher9833 Shalom, Salam, Peace.
1. Even The Western Christmas Is Based On Pagan Winter Festival.
2. The Eastern Orthodox Church Celebrate Christmas In January.
3. The Crucifixion Was An Ancient Form Of Execution.
4. Ancient Pagans Also Used The Cross To Ward Off Evil Spirits.
5. Quran [Last Testament] We Married Both Sarah And Hagar [Egyptian Handmaid] To Abraham The Friend Of God.
6. Prophet Muhammad Lineage Goes Back To Hagar [Egyptian Handmaid] Married To Abraham The Friend Of God.
7. Both Torah & Gospel State That Abraham Was Unwed To Hagar.
8. Also The Songs Of Solomon State That The Word ''Muhammadim'' Means Solomons Lover.
9. Translation Error:
Muhammadim = His Lover = Im - Respect.
Muhammadim = Praiseworthy = Im = Respect.
10. Prophets Of God Are Not Permitted Unwed Lock Relations.
11. Even Jesus Son Of Mary Said The Ahmad Will Come After Me,
But The Church Has Hidden This, Check What Secrets The Vatican Holds.
Salvation Is A Free Gift From The Lord God Yahweh And His Son Jesus Christ Who Died For The Sins Of The Whole World..
Man made Tradition nor Religion Cannot Save You.
Only Through Faith In The Finished Work Of Christ On The Cross And His Resurrection Can Man Become Forgiven And Be Born Again.
Thank You Father God For Sending Jesus Christ Your Son To Atone For Our Sins And Reconcile The World To The Father.
You can't Worship Yahweh Without Acknowledging And Believing On His Son Jesus Christ.
To God 🙏 Be The Glory
What is really funny in this debate - but is essentially tragic - is that both speakers try to dissociate themselves from the blood sacrifices of Israel, while retaining their Jewishness and affirming their belief in a God who is supposedly the same.
The Rabbi turns his back to the Law of Moses, as if the bloody sacrifices of animals were just a caprice of history and not a divine order. He feels very comfortable in the idea that the Ninevites would be destroyed without repentance, but he cannot accept that the Israelites were destroyed by the Romans for the same reason. With all his rhetorics and his recourse to sentimentalism though, he didn't give us a clear answer to the question, why the blood sacrifices in the Temple of Solomon didn't save Israel from destruction. On the other hand, someone should inform him that the Jews were not only victims during their history (let him read Judges 1:8) and that the Gentiles needed not to borrow the 10 commandments from the Israelites to create just societies (one can only read the "42 ideals of Maat" of the Ancient Egyptians to have a clue).
Finally, I sensed that the Rabbi didn't care so much to persuade us that Jesus didn't die for our sins, as to protect his own flock from the temptation of Christianity. He had two or three strong arguments (Origen on Isaiah, human sacrifice as an abomination spring to mind) but the rest of his argumentation could be condensed in the phrase "hands off the chosen people and their religion!".
Dr Brown on the other side, denounces human sacrifices but he couldn't really reject the notion that Jesus' death on the cross for atonement was in fact a human sacrifice - voluntary, yes, but essential and required by God for the atonement. He didn't disprove the Rabbi's argument that forgiveness has been offered by God without blood sacrifices in the Jewish tradition and he doesn't seem to be puzzled by the fact that Enoch even escaped death without any blood sacrifice, thousands of years before the appearance of Christ on earth. There is also another point that Dr. Brown should rethink: A person cannot claim the fulfillment of a prophecy through a conscious act of his own. Jesus had all the right to think that Isaiah chapter 53 portrayed him especially - and to envision his own sacrifice for the sake of humanity. The fact that he lead a life that brought him consciously to the Calvary, may lead to a claim that only he took up the task to fulfill that destiny and managed to take it to the end; it cannot be an argument to the unbelievers though, that Isaiah chapter 53 was a prophecy for him as a Messiah.
Let’s be honest. If you do not know that you are saved it is because you are not.
I am not trying to be cruel or mean, but simply honest. It would be the worst kind of negligence if I encouraged you to believe you were saved if actually you were not.
Unsaved people roam the earth thinking they are right with God, but are not. This reality may be driving your honest question about how to know if you are saved. This question is the greatest question one could ask, because the answer is understanding the gospel that saves.
Many people remain unconvinced about their own salvation because of a fear they have left something undone, did not say something right, are not worthy enough, or have not done the right thing to be accepted by God.
Perhaps this is you! You want to do right, and want to be saved, but do not know for certain how to know. What you need to know is the gospel of Christ.
Do You Know the Gospel?
At this point you may object because you claim to already know the gospel. But your question betrays you. The gospel that saves provides the knowledge of salvation. If you do not know you are saved, then you do not know the gospel that saves.
If you claim to know the gospel and still do not know if you are saved you have been told the wrong gospel. Perhaps you have been told salvation comes by…
- Believing Jesus is the Son of God.
- Loving the Lord.
- Following Jesus.
- Accepting Jesus.
- Being born again.
- Keeping the commandments.
- Loving your neighbor.
- Praying the sinner’s prayer.
- Repentance and confessing your sins.
- Confessing the Lord with your mouth.
- Asking Jesus to come into your heart.
- Making him Lord of your life.
- Maintaining a personal relationship with Jesus.
- Naming the name of Christ.
- Being filled with the Holy Spirit; or feeling his presence?
If so, you were told wrong. Your doubts testify to the inadequacy of any of these “gospels” to bring the knowledge of salvation. Have you loved the Lord enough? Don’t the devils also believe Jesus is the Son of God (Jam 2:19)? How do you know Jesus accepted your invitation into your heart? Is salvation really by uttering a name?
Though what you heard may have had an element of Biblical truth in it, you are still left wondering how you know you are saved even after knowing or believing these “gospels”. This is because they do not describe the gospel that saves.
Proof of Salvation
The Bible gives proof to every saved person to know they are saved: the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation (Rom 1:16).
If we test your proof of salvation against the gospel of Christ, we can know if you are saved or not. (I do not pretend to be the judge of your soul, but using God’s word to evaluate your salvation is prudent.)
So, what is the proof of your salvation?
If you say you have none, or that no one can know for certain, then you do not have salvation.
If you say proof is in the good way you live your life, then you have not heard the truth.
If you say proof is found in the promises of God to Israel, then you are taking what is not yours. God made promises to the nation of Israel, but there were many people in Israel who died in their sins at God’s hand of judgment and not salvation. How do you know you are part of the promises?
If you say proof is in what you have done or not done, said or not said, then you are not saved.
Without proof on what basis can you know that you are saved? There is none! Do you see now that you are not saved at all, and rather than needing to be convinced by Scripture that you are, you need to have the power of God unto salvation open your eyes to the truth of the gospel?
What is the Gospel that Saves
Now the question is seen in a new light. It is no longer the question of a saved person lacking confidence. It is the cry of an unsaved person lacking proof of salvation.
Sinners cannot save themselves or make themselves worthy enough for God to save them. Salvation is not for the righteous or the good, but for the unrighteous and the ungodly. The truth is that there is none righteous, and all have fallen short of God’s glorious standard.
Salvation of sinners is accomplished through the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ. God manifest in the flesh died innocently in the place of sinners shedding his blood as a sacrifice for sins. He rose from the dead three days later defeating the power of death and offering his finished work as the means of salvation to all men.
Salvation is not proven by our own efforts, but in the righteousness of God in Christ when he died for our sins, rose from the dead, and offers salvation freely to sinners who need it. Proof of salvation is found in the gospel of Christ. God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself by the cross.
“To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.” - Romans 3:25
We will be saved “if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.” - Romans 4:24-25
This is the gospel of Christ; it is the preaching of the cross. Christ is God, and he did everything necessary to save men through his death and resurrection. His work is the proof of salvation.
If his work is the proof of your salvation, then you have peace with God and eternal life. You are no longer trying to provide proof. God has provided it by his grace in Christ.
“Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:” - Romans 5:1
“…the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” - Romans 6:23
How Do I Know?
I know that I am saved because Christ died for my sins, rose from the dead, and offers salvation freely to all who believe in him. I’ve seen him save other people who believe the gospel of Christ. He will save you, when you believe it (Eph 1:13; Rom 3:22).
Stop trusting your life, your prayers, your works, your good deeds, your feelings, trust the finished work of Christ and know that you are saved
So basically dr brown laid down 25 minutes of pure fact and this rabbi responded with “nahh he ain’t god”
Its annoying that some religious Jews have to bring up the past during a debate, throwing it in people's faces. Its an academic debate, not an attack on your faith, any more than you are attacking the Christian faith by giving reasons why you don't accept the concept. It happens on social media all the time, like the person just can't wait to lash out and attack Christians instead of simply have an academic back and forth.
Talking to some religious Jews it’s common for them to misunderstand Christianity. Not sure if it’s true ignorance, deliberate mischaracterization, or just what they’ve heard.
Did The Rabbi Actually Say That "We Wretched Humans Can Atone For Our Own Sins?
Dear @Rabbi S.Boteach! Does it not come to you out of Scripture that there is no living or dead human is RIGHTOUS but EVERYONE living or dead man NEEDS Atonement for his sins?! Even the CHOSEN JEWISH PEOPLE (for them I pray, -for the PEACE OF YERUSALEM!!- ) in whole? Who can call himself righteous and NOT NEEDING a (THE ONE) RIGHTEOUS SERVANT (JESUS, who overcame eternal death, awaiting any of God's created humans of all times when the Day of Judgement comes? TRIUNE GOD'S LOVE SHARED WITH YOU❤❗
When I meet Jesus in the air, how should I address him ?
Yeshua, Lord, Sir, Master, God, Boss, Your majesty or mate ?
John 13:13. Also, Jesus is not the mate of individuals but of the Church, which is the whole body of believers.
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And will I be able to feel the nail holes in his hands ?
Or will they have healed up by then ?
@@tedgrant2 , He will likely be the only wounded person in heaven.
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I imagine that Jesus is very pleased with his Church.
All the fine buildings, art, statues, gold and rich preachers.
And investments in business in case the donations fall away.
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The Catholic Church was slightly embarrassed by one investment.
It was a large number of shares in a rubber manufacturer.
‘Thus says the Lord God: “ Pound your fists and stamp your feet, and say, ‘Alas, for all the evil abominations of the house of Israel! For they shall fall by the sword, by famine, and by pestilence…Thus I will spend my fury on them.”
Ezekiel 6.
‘The crown has fallen from our head. Woe to us, for we have sinned!’Lamentations 5:16
“The Lord looks down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there are any who understand, who seek God. They have all turned aside, they have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one.”Psalms14:2
“Oh, that they had such a heart in them that they would fear the Me and always keep all My commandments, that it might be well with them and with their children forever!”Deut.5:29
Jesus predicted the destruction of Jerusalem and wept over it. He predicted the rebuilding of the temple as well after the time of gentiles. God is just, all have sinned and deserve the wages of sin. God loves mercy and longs for us to repent and come back to Him through His Son Christ Jesus. All objections have answers. Please seek God with all your heart and listen for the Spirit of the Lord working on your heart!
Boteach is just hard hearted and unforgiving. So sad. Pray for his blindness. 😐🙏 (And he still believes in lampshades, soap?)
Imagine telling people ethics came from a god that endorses slavery.
1:06:15 what?
Actually he's questioning that the Jews deserved that horrible experience because they didn't accept the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ. I understand why he feels that way. But he's also not getting that it's the Lord that brings good and bad for His purpose. He destroyed the whole world in Noah's flood and will destroy everything again. I'm pretty sure the Rabbi doesn't believe in hell either. It's a logical argument from the Jewish people who don't accept Christian teaching. That said.. it's a teaching in the New testament that the Jews are blinded in part until the full number of the gentiles are come in.
Rabbi Boteach’s responded excellently.
Encourage you all to truly listen to what he had to say.
I guess the rabbi could say that well if the persecution jews faced was because they didn’t accept the sacrifice of Jesus, then why were Christian’s persecuted in the early years after the faith formed and why are some Christian’s still persecuted today?
And if David said god doesn’t need a sacrifice in order to forgive sins just to be sorry for what you did and repent . Then why was it necessary for the messiah to sacrifice himself ?
1:31:16 I think that's the point. He's kinda arguing against his cause here. IMO
The moderator looks uninterested.
1:07:17
The rabbi is appealing to emotion to invoke the response from the audience.
Am I mistaken, but isn't this what happened in the times of the destruction of the first temple? 600,000 jews were killed during that time. Is the rabbi angry with God for this happening? Was that not God's judgment upon the sins of the people according to the prophets? The destruction of the first temple was due to the rebellion and sins of the people of Israel.
As Christians, the persecution that was faced in the first, second, and throughout the centuries was not a surprise. They suffered for the sake of Christ, and He Himself said this would happen.
Jesus was innocent. Israel was not innocent during the time of the first temple, so why else does the rabbi think the second temple's destruction came in 70AD?
I am in disagreement here is what scripture says:
Ezekiel 18:20 - "The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself."
This scripture emphasizes personal accountability for one's own actions and rejects the notion that one can suffer for the sins of another.
Deuteronomy 24:16 - "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin."
This verse reinforces the principle that individuals are responsible for their own sins and should not be punished for the sins of others.
Lamentations 5:7 - "Our fathers sinned, and are no more; and we bear their iniquities."
This verse acknowledges the concept of generational consequences for sin but does not support the idea of one person suffering for the sins of an entire nation or people.
What in the world are you talking about because scripture doesn't align with your idea. I mean the notion that the destruction of the Second Temple was solely due to the guilt or sins of the Jewish people as a collective is absurd and antisemitic. Scriptures clearly say that personal accountability is what is important and reject the idea of vicarious suffering for the sins of others. All Christians know that one must act mindfully.
@@jbunstoppable5074the problem is that you read the Torah and the prophets selectively and completely out of context. If someone grills you on the core of your revered scripture you would fall and horriedly abandon your faith because you've been standing on faulty foundations. Ask yourself honestly, how many seeming contradictions are in the Torah-- then prayerfully study to reconcile the gaps-- there and then you'll see Christ Jesus your true Messiah and Atonement for your sins for which you can never pay as you're deluded to think you can bear. Amen
The problem is that you read the Torah and the prophets selectively and completely out of context."
My response:
We don't read the Torah and the prophets out of context. We approach these sacred texts with deep reverence and rely on centuries of rabbinic scholarship and tradition to guide our interpretation. Our understanding is deeply rooted in the historical and cultural context of Judaism.
"If someone grills you on the core of your revered scripture you would fall and hurriedly abandon your faith because you've been standing on faulty foundations."
My response:
Our faith is not easily shaken by questioning because it is built on a solid foundation of tradition, study, and community. We engage in rigorous study and discussion within our faith to deepen our understanding, and our beliefs are not easily abandoned.
"Ask yourself honestly, how many seeming contradictions are in the Torah-- then prayerfully study to reconcile the gaps-- there and then you'll see Christ Jesus your true Messiah and Atonement for your sins."
We do not view the Torah as containing contradictions. Instead, we see it as a complex and nuanced text that requires careful interpretation within the framework of Judaism. Our faith does not include the belief in Jesus as the Messiah or Atonement for sins, as these concepts are not aligned with our core beliefs. As I quoted in our previous discussion each person is accountable for thier own action. it doesn’t make sense with your logic. I mean if you were to gain so much weight and become fat because you ate so much would someone else be able to exercise and then you would become thin? No because the only person that can actually have an impact on yourself is you. Hence no one can redeem you from your gluten ways but yourself. The same is true with Jesus dying for your sins. No one can die for your sins just as no one can exercise in your ppace to make you thin. Our way makes sense that you are accountable, simple and to the point.
"For which you can never pay as you're deluded to think you can bear. Amen"
We believe in the concept of repentance and atonement through sincere prayer, teshuva (repentance), and fulfilling mitzvot (commandments). We don't believe that we can never pay for our sins; rather, we believe in the possibility of returning to God through acts of righteousness and personal growth that is turning from your wicked ways..
@@samuelpopoola1830 refer to my above comment I go in to detail with my response that disagrees with you
@@samuelpopoola1830 please refer to my comment Supra
Dr. brown was making his case with scripture, while his opponent went the route of appealing to emotion .
Yes indeed. Rabbi Boteach needs to calm down and debate more like Rabbi Tovia Singer or Rabbi Michael Skobac using scripture and clear explanation... such as the debates between Samuel Green and Tovia Singer. This whole debate almost seems like it was organised to sell tickets as an entertainment event.
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Atonement is only offered if you accept it.
Very interesting debate, but Michael Brown was dirty and Very dishonest when he said that the jews have suffered for rejecting Jesus. He also said that Jesus as THE messiah came as as a down payment but now the church has to help the messiah to complete he's messianic roll? What in the world????? I don't think there's enough evidence and Isaias 53 is the only verse where we can find the servant suffering for the sake of others but we don't see anywhere where the old testament says that the savior would come and do the job in 2 parts, we don't see that but I gotta congratulate Mr Brown he did a good defense but I've seen him debating 3 different rabbis and doesn't seem to lead the the race.
So the Rabbi admits Jesus was real, that he was popular, and that He was worshipped on the way to Jerusalem?
Accountable = repentance = follow the law/ commandments and have a relationship with GD.
You detest and abhor human sacrifice. Doesn’t that kind of make the point of Jesus being the Messiah of Isaiah 53?
I can’t respect someone who uses cheap tricks to try to win a debate. Either you can stand on your facts or you can’t.
I have to give it to the Rabbi for emotional speech. But also twisting Christian Speaker’s words. With all Rabbi’s pride and knowledge won’t help him to meet his Maker. All these Jews who have died didn’t do anything except for creating Spiteful and hateful person who blames Christians instead of Nazi and hitler. I hope he will see the truth before he dies and repent all the things he said against Jesus and Christians and also leading people into false hates towards Jesus and Christian’s. I could see who is better person and forgiving person between this two people with two different views.
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God forgive us for being too stubborn to see the truth, even thousands of years and millions of death happened. 😢. God Blesses us for the people who understands truth of who Jesus is! God Bless 🤗
How is a gentile pagan Nation the prime example for Old Testament Judaism when Old Testament Judaism was bound by the Laws of Moses including sacrificial atonement?
To say that because God forgave the pagan nation in ways that he did Not forgive Israel then with more so be a showing of why Christianity is true and the fulfillment of Judaism.
Let's say hypothetically that Isaiah 53 is about a messiah figure in the singular , and not the people
Of israel............the messiah is not God..
Brown says jesus is God, so this debate is pointless.......who was jesus? That is the true question.....
Martin Luther king was not Israel, maybe he was Hebrew Israelite….
Why do you keep giving praise to the U.S.?
About the watch the debate and let me guess that maybe around 100 times “anti semitism” will be used.
Jesus did what Smuley would never could never do to take all the sins of the world upon Himself and die to please God that Smuley does not even know, I pray that Smuley will come to the understanding and repent and be baptized like all the others that excited the truth of gospel of Christ Christ the Lord and Master
Rabbi is too emotional.
Christ is the GOOD ROOT of the tree of knowledge just as Satan is the evil root of the same tree: KNOWING BOTH is what MAN must be able to do if he is to be in Gods IMAGE and LIKENESS: BOTH have to be known but the GOOD ROOT is hidden from us, and it DIED IN US with ADAM as a SEED that must rise through HEARING THE WORD (Mark 4) so it can be BORN through the GOOD GROUND of the heart (John 16): BOTH Christianity and Judaism only understand part of the story till the heart brings CHRIST into the world and when it does, the CHRIST is NAMED "JESUS" where before it is the ROCK that was with Israel in the wilderness (the source of LIVING WATER) but Israel was not TAUGHT how to "SPEAK" to the ROCK (power of LIFE and DEATH is in the tongue) so it is written, MOSES did NOT sanctify the NAME (HASHEM) in the face of the people: Moses is buried in MT NEBO (means prophet) and when Christ rises through the GOOD ground of our heart, we receive the SPIRIT of PROPHECY to raise the DEAD men's bones of the whole house of Israel (Ezekiels valley of the bones):
I put this up on another channel where you discuss Rabbi Singer and his interpretation of Isaiah 7: I have been explaining the REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST for 30 years since I experienced him on the Jewish Feast days of 1992:
the only thing I want to thank Tovia for is showing that it is the PERFECT PRESENT TENSE and not the future tense because it has to happen to all the tribe of Judah and all the house of David, starting 2000 years ago and finished when the last soul of the house of David has brought Messiah (THE GOOD ROOT OF THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE) into the world, making it a TREE OF LIFE to those who grasp Torah the right way: What way is RIGHT? THE ONE where Jesus Christ is the same YESTERDAY, TODAY and FOREVER: Christ is the regenerating principle, the HOLY OIL, the ANOINTING that is EXILED with in Adam while Adam is dead and he is dead till he is resurrected: NOW LOOK, I COR 15, 'every man in his own order": Meaning, everyone has an "HOUR" (either first or second day or 1000 years) where they come into the Kingdom; Some in the morning of the first day and some in the last hour of the second day: I had MY HOUR in 1992 on the Jewish Feast days and experienced what Abraham and all his descendants experienced: THE COVENANT he made with God (Hashem) which is why Jesus said, "ABRAHAM saw MY DAY and was glad": I have a lot of videos up trying to explain how this OPENED the Bible through the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY by the POWER of the Holy Spirit that resurrects the "dead men's bones of the whole house of Israel":
Pray about it and ask me anything and I will try to answer what I am able to answer:
adding Nahum 1:15 to show that it is all of Judah who took and must KEEP this vow to make the EVIL ROOT of the TREE (Satan) good (bringing Christ, the GOOD root through Judah:
Nah 1:15 Behold upon the mountains the feet of him that brings good tidings, that publishes peace! O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts, perform thy vows: for the wicked shall no more pass through thee; he is utterly cut o
The Rabbi's knowledge of Christian theology is lacking.
Amen the suffering of Lord Jesus Christ brings healing
Rabbi Boteach is a noise maker!
Disappointed in Dr Brown’s performance here. He got off to a great start, but as the debate continued he allowed far too many points to go unanswered.
Time won't allow every question answered. I think he run laps around the Rabbi.
@@bryter_3915 I understand that, but one needs to do less elaborating on individual points in order to address all important claims made. I’ve seen Dr Brown do it very well many times, but not so much here.
The rabbi isn’t saying anything new to how the Jewish people have always viewed Isaiah 53. It’s not that Israel or a singular person died “for” the sins of the world/nations as people seem to think, that would constitute vicarious atonement which is forbidden and spoken against by the prophets. It’s Israel dying BECAUSE of the sins of the nations as its indicated in the following sequence of events. Isaiah is narrating what the kings of nations have come to realize and will say before the coming of the messianic era: We, (the kings of nations are speaking), thought him, (Israel) stricken of God but it was because of our sins, (the nations sins) he, (Israel) suffered. This acknowledgment of the nations is what causes their atonement. It parallels David’s story where, just as G-d forgave David his sin with Batsheva and Uriah, in that same manner, it triggers Gods forgiveness to the nations. King David realized his error when he plotted and killed Uriah. David realizes that he sinned and his recognition of that was all that was needed for God to forgive him. As Nathan said when David uttered the words “I have sinned before the L-rd”. Nathan said; God has already forgiven you. Dr Brown may have a phd and may quote from the top of his head but they are all misquotes and meanings taken out of context. Micheal Brown’s final discourse wasn’t an appeal to knowledge but emotion. The fact is that his prayer will go unanswered because God already tells us in his Torah that a man cannot die on anyone’s behalf, that the just cannot die for the unjust nor there’s anything stating that the “messiah” is to die and rise again on the 3rd day. So all you that follow Browns message, study the Torah because Gods answer to you is already there, NO need to make the prayer Brown stated because it will be in vain. To worship a man and Jesus was a man, is called foreign worship and idolatry, utterly repulsive to G-d, utterly repulsive to Judaism. Christianity is a forgery created by Rome not Israel.
Rabbi is really slimy, can’t articulate his points so he goes to emotion.
Thank you rabbi for all the truth you uphold. Judaism is the one true religion God established.
Why is the Rabbi yelling 😢😢😢
No man can die for your sins. those who think they can sanctify theirselves in a man's blood are abominations to God, Jesus and Jesus communion is the abomination of Isaiah 66:17, see the xtian religion, rooted at Vatican down, in Amos 8:14.
HaShem is ONE. Jesus is a great teacher. But in HaShem's Name, if you meditate his word (scripture) you will be a given a heart capable to grasp His NAME in high meditation. So that HaSHem may make you in His Name, which is something like Jesus, in your own way. A loving & creative action of the soul. HaShem is ONE.
Jesus CANNOT be solely a great teacher because he claims to be divine.
You can either accept his proclamations, or call out his statements as blasphemy , but you can’t have it both ways.
@@sjappiyah4071 Jesus is the word of God. Everything he said during his life was filtered through the word. John 1:1 said it. But HaShem created the word. That is the difference. "In the beginning God..." and that is YHWH (HaShem). Everything else is a creation to help us intersect with Him. The ONE. Jesus is creation not CREATOR.
@@andresdiaz7112 The same John that you quoted also said the Word was with God in the beginning, and everything was made through Him and for Him. So Jesus existed BEFORE everything was made (creation).
It also says that the Word WAS God. This is all in the same passage. It couldn't be any more clear.
@@ProMaxElite Read Torah by itself and see if you come to the same conclusions. Torah = the bible Jesus had under his arm. The Torah that Jesus studied. I promise you wont come to the same conclusions.
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You are out in left field, a true heresy that has been around for 2,000 years that claims Jesus is a created being.
After several million years of human evolution, we suddenly needed salvation for our sins just a few thousand years ago? Sounds a bit sus, sorry.
Jesus died on the cross for the sin of the world contradicti Deuteromony 24 :16.
Muslims are not reading Deuteronomy 24:16 and even Ezekiel 18:20 in their context. These verses are not saying there is no sacrifice that can bear our sin. Instead they are saying that we are individually responsible for our sins and need to seek forgiveness through God's provision of a substitute sacrifice that can bear our sin. These verses do not support Islam at all, instead they confirm what Christianity teaches.
God is the one who put Jesus to death
check out youtube, Jesus Of Nazareth Crucifixion /Holy Friday/ by ELEFTERIADIS
check out Jesus of Nazareth Crucifixion /Holy Friday/
Revelation 1:18
I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Shalom, Salam, Peace.
In The Name Of God, Most Gracious, Most Compassionate.
Quran [Last Testament] [3:84] Say, “We have believed in God and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Believers [submitting] to Him.”
[4:157] And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God .” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
[4:171] O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about God except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of God and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in God and His messengers. And do not say, “Three”; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, God is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is God as Disposer of affairs.
[4:172] Never would the Messiah disdain to be a servant of God , nor would the angels near [to Him]. And whoever disdains His worship and is arrogant - He will gather them to Himself all together.
[5:17] They have certainly disbelieved who say that God is the Christ , the son of Mary. Say, “Then who could prevent God at all if He had intended to destroy the Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?” And to God belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and God is over all things competent.
Shalom Not salam ...
Who says 👉🏻 ,In the name of. .. If author is allah himself according to muhammadan?
Quran 3:84 , what the hook was given to Ishmael?
Quran 19:33 👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻
Sahih International: And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive."🙄🙄
@@elimelek5569 Shalom, Salam, Peace.
1. Do Not Lie Against Your Very Own Soul.
2. Do Not Twist The Truth, To Suit Your Own Views.
3. Only A Narcissist Would Gaslight & Troll Anyone Whom They Disagree With.
@@omarlittle-hales8237 misguided muhammadan by Taqqiyaa ...
Isa died on this clear vers 19:33
Isa son of maryiam is Lord along with the allah 9:31
Quran 3:19 allah, angels and men possessed of knowledge are all lord of the quran
@@elimelek5569 Shalom, Salam, Peace.
1. Once Again You Take Clips To Suit Your Own Narcissistic Mind.
2. God Is God, With No Partners Or Kinship, No Needs Or Desires.
3. Jesus Son Or Mary [Devout Messiah & Servant Of God] Was Taken Back Into Heaven At The Last Supper, To Return In The Latter Days.
@@omarlittle-hales8237 you not refute my evidence yet ... Because you can't, 🧐🧐👇🏻
9:31] They take their rabbis and their monks for their lords apart from Allah,31 and also the Messiah, son of Mary,
Rabbi does not honestly response to the facts of scriptures in the Torah as explained by Dr Brown. Jews has been soo blinded by the Rabbi's cultural teachings which doesn't spelled out the true interpretation of the Holy Torah.
Funny that shmuley preached about personal accountability at the beginning, then towards the end had issue with the idea that the jews were punished for their sins, I actually think he was being deceptive like the way many muslims act, he obviously knows about the flood and how God punished people for their sins, shmuley didn't treat it like a debate, he treated it like a church service, trying to pull on people's heart strings.
Exactly. It’s typical antichrist stuff to talk with a forked tongue. One minute everyone’s accountable, the next minute it’s “how could you possibly blame the Jews?” I guess he doesn’t think God ever punished the Jews for disobedience. He multiple times calls Israel a “whore” but this man wants to paint them as a blameless suffering servant. May God have mercy on him.
You're continuing the incredibly antisemitic notion that not only are the Jews during Christ's time are responsible for His death (despite all of His followers being Jewish) but the heretical belief in an inherited sin and punishment, sin falling from father to son. Shame on you for continuing this Jew hating rhetoric, pushed onto them for 2,000 years when Christian teaching clearly states Jesus died in effect of all of us. Our sins together caused Christ to die, not just one people. Believe in your religion better and be less racist towards your God's people.
“I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn." --Zechariah 12:10
That is one of my favorite passages.
Well, it's a lot better than 2 Samuel 24, Hosea 9, and Deuteronomy 25:12...
Or, Leviticus 25:46, I guess.
Exodus 4:22
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh: Thus saith the LORD: Israel is My son, My first-born. And I have said unto thee: Let My son go, that he may serve Me
Israel is God’s first born son and the suffering servant. NOT the man you call Jesus.
@@jamesmartin2740 It's understood that sometimes in the Scriptures God speaks of Israel as His son. It also talks about David being appointed as firstborn (Ps 89:27)
But the text of Isaiah 53 refutes the idea that it's speaking of Israel in this case, as it says that the Servant was stricken for the sins of the people of Israel.
It's talking about an individual. It's talking about an innocent individual whom the people reject and think of as smitten and afflicted. He suffers and dies for the people, and is raised again.
As for interpretations, some famous rabbis in centuries past saw Isaiah 53 as talking about Messiah.
Besides, you didn't answer my Zechariah verse, in which God Himself says that they pierced Him, and they'll mourn for this Pierced Person "as for an only son."
@@sketchbook1 Isaiah 53 doesn't refute anything I said; it affirms it.
Isaiah 41:8-9
But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, the offspring of Abraham, my friend; you whom I took from the ends of the earth, and called from its farthest corners, saying to you, “You are my servant, I have chosen you and not cast you off.”
Isaiah 44:1
But now hear, O Jacob my servant, Israel whom I have chosen!
Isaiah 44:21
Remember these things, O Jacob, and Israel, for you are my servant; I formed you; you are my servant; O Israel, you will not be forgotten by me.
Isaiah 45:4
For the sake of my servant Jacob, and Israel my chosen, I called you by your name, I name you, though you do not know me.
Isaiah 48:20
Go out from Babylon, flee from Chaldea, declare this with a shout of joy, proclaim it, send it out to the end of the earth; say, “The Lord has redeemed his servant Jacob!”
Isaiah 49:3
And he said to me, “You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified.”
The suffering servant is Israel (Jewish people) of which whom will be subjugated by various gentile nations, but redeemed by God in the messianic age. This prophecy turns out to be true as proven through history. Most of the subjugation brought by Christian nations. Jesus? Um, Jesus was never subjugated by the gentile nations. He was killed by the Romans and rejected by the Jews. In fact, Christianity has thrived as one of the most dominant and conquering movements of the last millennium. Goes completely against the biblical prophecy. Furthermore, Paul had THE MOST success with the gentiles and very little success with Jews. The suffering servant was not Christianity and certainly NOT Jesus.
I recently had a long discussion with another Christian on here talking Zechariah. So I'm not going to repeat it again. All I will say is you should read Zechariah in its complete form carefully with a Rabbinical source that understands Hebrew. Otherwise, it can be greatly taken out of context.
Rabbi shmuley says Jesus never taught that he had to die for the people's sins, But Matthew 16 says "he explained to his disciples that he must suffer at the hands of the elders and religious teachers and would die and on the third day be raised to life."
He also very clearly talked about the good Shepard giving His life for His sheep. In Mark, He talks about the Son of Man giving His life as ranson for the many..
@@rockytopbritt Eh, beg your pardon, but ransom to who?
Also, on a not necessarily related note, why is Satan owed anything?
And I'm including the Job story in this, regardless.
And for him, also, what does count, as - 'spiritually dead'?
Lastly, Romans 8:30 and Matthew 7:14, define many, as - how many?
@@chrissonofpear1384 I am not aware of Satan being owed anything. As for who is the ransom to, I would say that in this context the term ransom can be understood as a debt. He paid the debt we all have due to sin. "Many" is of course a very relative term, but here I would say it means everyone as it seems to in Daniel 12:2. My understanding is that the price of the first death has been paid for everyone hence they will be resurrected and then judged(Revelation 20: 12). Hence the "many" here is not the same as the "few" in Mathew 7:14. If you were genuinely curious I hope this was helpful.
@@rockytopbritt Well, the book of Job, kind of hints, that he was owed something.
Also, sin began in heaven, too, technically.
And what is the 'few' also? Also, if that path is narrow, how wide, was Satan's?
I mean, onto this world. If such he set foot upon.
And technically, we never all consciously chose to sin, or to be born 'natural men', too.
@@chrissonofpear1384 I don't know to what you refer to in Job. To be honest I don't understand most of your questions. It is easier to live in sin then to live in righteousness. Hence most people do the former and hence that gate is wide. As I understand it that is the point that passage is trying to convey. I suppose it is true that we don't choose to be born in a fallen world, but thankfully we are not required to be perfect just penitent. I don't agree that we don't consciously chose to sin. Unless you can tell me you have never lied or said something hurtful despite knowing it was wrong. If you are going to then ask me why did God do this or that, I am just going to tell you now I don't have an answer. I don't understand His mind and I have made my peace with that. What I can tell you is that we all do things we know are wrong, but Christ is the rectification of that. I think that is all I have to say. God Bless
Rabbi did not but use scripture to debate his point of view, he uses emotionalism and victimhood of the Jews to manipulate the emotions of his audience and it doesn’t even take a great biblical scholar like Dr Brown to counter and correct all of rabbis objections and emotions to Jesus as the suffering servant. Irrational and unreasonable arguments from the rabbi.
That is why the Christians love so much the Jews for their playing card of narcissistic victimization.
“Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.” Revelation 1:7
"even those who pierced him" the roman soldiers died 2000 years ago, lol
@@danielalmeida9332 yes, there will be a resurrection of both the just and the unjust according to the Scriptures, which, if you reject, leaves you with no hope of eternal life.
@@danielalmeida9332the spirits dwelling in the ppl who rejected him
@@danielalmeida9332 The prophecy was fulfilled in that time, they pierced him 33 ad, revelation was written before 70ad and then Jesus came in judgement upon Jerusalem with the temple destruction in 70ad. Problem solved.
@@danielalmeida9332Yes but they who cried out "Crucify him, crucify him" are complicit with the Romans and will share their same fate. By the way Pilate the Roman governor had taken away the right of the Jews to put to death any accused of a capital offence, they could only try them for their alleged crimes, but it was the Romans who carried out the death sentence.
Shmuley “STRAWMAN” Boteach
Loool accurate
27:00 "without repentance"? Is that not the message of Jesus? "Repent!"
Jesus calls us to repentance and in Him we find life, eternal life.
We're not called to accept Jesus and just live how we want. Jesus calls us to live in Him and walk according to the Spirit. Paul said that if we walk according to the flesh we will fulfill the desires of the flesh, but if we walk according to the Spirit, the will of God, then we will not fulfill the desires of the flesh.