I would not call out anyone, nor would I really worry about running a race in them since I'm slow (though it's a shoe that doesn't interest me). I do feel that if someone is fast enough to be challenging for race wins or even age group wins, they should follow the sporting rules. Otherwise if you just want the extra stack height to help you plod your way through a long race, go for it.
As a mature runner (I'm 64) I do see the value of shoes like this, as in less fatigue on your legs during your training runs. For me the Invincible Zoom has been a revelation in protecting my legs and is also a much more stable shoe than say a NB Fuelcell Elite 2. Having said that, if I am going to do a race (done 3 this year already) then out come the lightweight shoes, but I don't race beyond 10K...
I wouldn't care about non-professionals racing in those shoes, as long as they are not faster than legal shoes. They are highly cushioned and that could prevent damage or injury especially for amateurs and long distances - that is a good thing, regardless of some ruling that is meant for the elite.
I actually really like this shoe, unlike anything I've ever run in before! Takes some getting used to/wearing in though, and definitely strictly road only with minimal cornering if possible...
Why does it have to be faster than the Adios Pro? The shoe is not marketed as the top racer, but as a training companion. It's suppose to save your legs with lots of cushion. Nothing wrong with that imo.
These shoes are quick but only on the road obviously with minimal cornering , they are bonkers and did bring a smile to bens face so cannot be too bad 😊, good for preserving the legs on longer runs as well!
Just did 8 easy miles in my new Prime X yesterday.. fun shoe but you need to keep to good surfaces. As a 55 year old runner anything that saves my old legs is a big plus They look much more durable than the Alphafly so that's a plus 😁 Brandon @ Running Shoes Guru thinks they are faster in a straight line than the vaporfly and it's little brother the AAAPro2 - I think these 2 are on par! 😯 Will be doing something 1K intervals over the next few weeks to compare ...in a straight line 😁
@@lizbee726 I got them 'new' on eBay for £140.. if they allow my old pins to cover the miles they'll be worth it! Fun shoe puts a smile on your face too
as an elite runner stick to the rules, for everybody else: who cares about stack hight? Reminds me of the discussion around the Tempo Next %, didn't stop me from buying these. Ben, when you talk about stability or the lack thereof I assume you mean "general" stability, not in the sense of pronation, do you? They seem to have a lateral bias just like the Pro 2 and while that disqualified them for you I found this a very good fit for my overpronation and really enjoy those.
I've been running for 6 years (coaching 5 years) but Initially played ice hockey and technology changes, my first stick was wooden and now have a stick that is made of the best materials and only weighs like 100g. Seeing people complain over technology in shoes is so stupid. Things improve, give it another 5 years and I'd say most shoes will have carbon in them somewhere.
Got a pair of these and, bit by mistake, did do some off road. Just about survived :) As you mentioned, I don't think adidas really intended these to be a race shoe (legal or otherwise) but more of an up tempo max cushioned concept shoe. I have tested them up against the Adios Pro 2 and even though I could do the same speed as intended, my HR was somewhat higher in the Prime X. So if a non elite wants to race in them then good luck but there are faster and less wobbly shoes out there IMHO. Not sure any other shoe is as fun though - well in a straight line!
Tim, as an experienced and long term runner who hit great times many years ago, how much time do you think you could have shaved off your marathon and half PBs if you was wearing a vaporfly against something like a old school boston or traditional flat?
Thanks again for your review / shoe off Vs AAAPRO2 Tim.. you are most likely right but I need to know for myself - just in case my biomechanics are different 😊 You and KofuZi both said they were a fun shoe and that's enough for me 😁
@@mitchyruns7818 That's a good question and somewhat hard to answer as sadly I don't have a time machine! I think the key difference now is feeling better after hard/long runs which, in turn, should allow you to get fitter. Only sort of data point I have is that I ran 1:20/2:53 HM/Mar in the 1st Boost version of the "normal" adios in 2016 aged 49 but "only" 1:24/2:56 in NEXT% last year aged 53. On age graded you expect to decline of course and the 2:56 was marginally better on age grading but hardly amazing difference. I wore those adios shoes the other day and I certainly would not volunteer for another marathon in them now but versions of that shoe were worn for world records pre the Vaporfly. In my case I only seriously raced HM/Mar for 2 years when already aged 37 so I think I could have improved as much if not more by moving to these events earlier and progressing my training/mileage. Until then I did 800/1500 and often barely 20 miles a week. When I moved to 80 mpw I started making good gains.
@@TimGrose that’s interesting! I noticed that when I trained for my marathon I tended to use something like the endorphin speed more often for sessions or long runs with MP miles in there it almost made feel like I was relying on the shoes too much for the boost. I am going to try (after this injury I picked up at Brighton) to do my sessions in something like has no type of plate in it to try and build my actual fitness up a tad more. I may be wrong but just think it suits me better. Well done on all your times and PBs and on the channel, when I want a review with date you’re my go to!
I have an injury that cannot be healed that does not allow me to run anymore. However, with this type of shoe (big cushioning and very soft) and by attacking heel, I still manage to do some jogging. It's a shame that they have the same problem as my Nike Zoomx Invincible namely the lack of stability.
I'm slow. I wouldn't call out anyone. I don't care what shoe anyone races in. I've tried Asics metaspeed, I've gone back to Saucony A8, my conclusion is hard and thin works for me. Great to see there are a range of offerings
As I have one Adizero Adios pro 2, its good cushioning and comfort. And now this race shoe only £149.00, bought it for run event in Manchester on end April.... Same size with u. This is good race shoe
I would never call out a friend/buddy for wearing this shoe. I think that there's a big difference between the elites, pros and every day runners. And if someone just enjoys new shoes, trying new things and it makes them happy and their run better I'd be all for it. I think that Adidas is well aware of the elite restrictions, they want to corner the ''normal folks'' market for cool ''elite'' shoes. I personally would be curious to try this shoe for myself because my specific leg issues.
Just got my first pair of Aplhaflys for a half marathon in a few weeks. Going to test them out at a 10k this weekend and see if i like them over the Vapours
Hey Ben, please please be the first to do a time trial comparison between the prime x vs next % 2? I have both, love the prime X but would like to see how much faster the next %2 really are over 10k+.
@@lifephorce I think so...no need for a straight line unless you have paper ankles..I've done mild trail runs in the prime x. People just need to learn how to run.
The winner of the Vienna marathon last week wore them and was disqualified, seems odd that they wore them when we know they're illegal. Definitely not a shoe for me, I'm unstable on my feet at the best of times and had a running related ankle injury earlier this year, I'd roll over on this one for sure!
Smells like a bit of marketing genius by Adidas. They can more than cover the winnings in exchange for getting their shoe mentioned in news and running discussions all over the world.
Good luck to anyone setting a PB in those. I don’t think they’d really make you quicker and plenty of great super shoes that would probably work better
Looking at your video, it seems like you were having the same problem with the upper that made me send the shoe back. The tongue doesn't actually seem to go all the way across the foot down toward the middle of the shoe. You almost end up with laces that are coming into direct contact with your foot. I wouldn't have balked about this except that the shoe was so expensive that I wasn't willing to tolerate anything that seemed even a little off. I wasn't willing to try running in it for a couple miles to see if it got better because I didn't want to send such a shoe back slightly used.
that forefoot foam/rubber is so generous, where on their other shoe model is lacking, i like it. wonder what is your thoughts about it, fore foot strike while on a fast phase? you killing the reviews and vid is awesome new sub here watch 10 vid already.
As a runner with supinating footstep are those still good for me? AT the end of a race when runners often resort to heel strike those might get even more unstable for me as the outersole is lowered on the outer side?
Interesting point about the stack height- no chance of any stability in the rain or on a bendy course. This sort of shoe will probably be a one off. Thanks for the review- now I know not to look to get them!
Yes.. a bendy course.. like Parkrun would be dangerous I'd say. Fine on a straight, flat road with no obstacles.. but anything else then you're asking for trouble!
Don't think I'm going to be picking this one up, definitely interested but I want to pick up the ASICS metaspeed edge. Are you going to be reviewing any of the ASICS super shoes Ben?
Isn't this the shoe that Charlotte Purdue ran the VLM yesterday? Certainly looks like it. I don't like running shoes that are too big and bulky. Good review Ben 👍🏼
Not for me, Clive - we all run the same races, same distance, and if you're good enough from the rear of the field, and beat the elites, then you win. We should all do so - all puns intended - on an equal footing...
Adidas Adizero Prime X was worn by Ethiopia's Derara Hurisa who won the 2021 Vienna City Marathon with a time of 2:09:22 but was disqualified after shoe soles break World Athletics rules.
I have same color and I ran with this shoes twice around 21km. The responsive is very good similar to Aphafly. Personally I would say I like the feeling of the Alphafly than the Prime X but the outsole is better than Alphafly. Which one you would like have if you can select one of these?
This shoe is way to much money. It seems like a more expensive invincible with carbon kitchen sink thrown in. I would not call somebody out as long as it is not a race that bans it. My theory is wear what makes you feel good (as long as you obey the rules).
@@BenParkes haha . Yeah i bet adidas compensated the winner for losing tho. They could not have wished for better marketing right? The forbidden shoe wins
Was watching the Berlin Marathon and I wonder what would happen if you let the Pacers run in the Prime X? If Kenenisa would have set the World Record in his Vaporflys, would it stand?
Fine as a training shoe but ultimately it doesn't meet the world athletics regs, so shouldn't be used in races... If I was beaten by someone wearing them I'd feel somewhat miffed. Would being a 'mid packer' make EPO or HGH acceptable? I mean it doesn't mean a great deal in the grand scheme of things, but at what point does it become unacceptable? The only robust way to approach it is to apply the rules equally to all competitors.
I think that it would be very churlish behaviour to call someone out for using any of the "illegal" shoes in an organized event I suppose it is down to the individual's stance on the issue and how it sits with them personally as to their use in an event. The issue is probably going to be, where do you draw the line and I agree with Gabe G below, If you are in contention for any prize or award overall or in Age Group categories then that IS an issue as they are banned/illegal for a reason ie to prevent unfair advantages in competition, so the impact is not only on you personally, but other competitors and this is where adherence to the set racing rules SHOULD apply.
Hi, As you’ve admitted your adidas size is 12UK, but could you tell me pls your foot length in centimeters? Cause I’m really want to order this one, but have no any idea about my racing adidas size (btw my foot is 29cm length). Thank you for advance
When I first raced in Nike 4% I had people saying I was cheating,but anybody can buy them so how’s that cheating.some people don’t like change .see you in London Ben cp🏃🏻♂️
Because more than 80% of runners land laterally (heel) and not having the heel taper forces an earlier overpronation (for the majorities of runners who do not have a very neutral gait). It is not just Adidas that has done this this in most models, also New Balance and others. I personally wish all would go for a heel taper. Feels much more natural though the gate cycle.
I wouldnt really care if I know someone that set a new pb in them, fair enough they give abit of help but they person wearing them is still doing pretty much all the work, putting on shoes was magically make you run a sub 2:10 marathon
I got it just to try ‘em in training, have a hip injury. Fun shoe but extremely unstable. Wouldn’t race in them, felt like gene Simmons. W that stack height
You say that you are UK12. That is about 31cm in most shoes. Do you know your exact foot length ? I am at L29.5 / R29.6cm. If added 1.5cm to this, that comes down to 31cm UK12, however I find that most shoes like 95% of all shoes run very small. There is no more half size up, so the next is UK13, what adds another cm, but that is too big now. I wonder what size did you choose in the NB RC, as this brand runs particularly small. How did the UK12 compare to the Vaporfly UK12 or the Adidas UK12 in sizing ? I do short races up to 10k in the Nike Streak UK12 and they are perfect, but would definitely need to size up for a half or a full marathon. Thanks ...
I think it’s each to their own but personally, I couldn’t use anything that isn’t “legal” for races. If we go to a race, we race in a competitive environment and should accept the rules, we all get a place where we come, if that’s top ten, hundred or in the thousands, it should be done right and sat if I killed myself grabbing a top ten place but got beat by a few seconds by someone using this, I wouldn’t be the happiest lol. But that’s totally me and my OCD. Personally I don’t want it to ever go over 40mm, I bet some of the older runners like Radcliffe and Ryan Hall could have set some bigger times if they had these shoes back then!
What I don't like about the current rule is that it seems so arbitrary...like why 40mm, why not 30? You clearly still get a massive performance boost with vaporflys (really similar to the prime X). I'm sure if it was 45mm, then the alphafly would be 44.5mm, not 39.5mm. If you really want to take a stand against super shoes, you should be running in more minimalist shoes IMO (and that has its merits).
@@tmtbtw_ I think what it is is that when the vaporfly came in and like nearly everyone switched to it, to ban it would have been huge and maybe they just thought that it’s here now, it’s making headlines for good and bad reasons so let’s cap it here and say no more. I like it now that most brands have a shoe that can compete and it’s not just Nike or you’re loosing out. Personally, I only use any of my plated trainers for either races or tough workouts every now and again, I never use them for daily training or anything as I just feel like they’re helping me rather than my body getting fitter if that makes sense. I’d be totally cool if they banned them though, I’d like the idea of a few races in flats and stuff. I did Brighton marathon a few weeks ago and I went out in the sub 3 groups and you’re talking literally 90% or more had plated trainers on, and it must have been 80/85% of that were either vaporfly or alphafly. Think I seen a few endorphins, one or two NB RC elites and surprisingly only 1 adidas adios pro (that shoe is brilliant). Saying that, I picked an injury up and honestly feel like I was sinking into my alphaflys too much and that may have contributed to it a little bit so even now I’m thinking about going to a more minimalist or firmer racing shoe
Hi, can you please tell me if these shoes would be good for power/speed-walking for a heavyset (230 lbs) man. I have a messed up back from a work injury & unfortunately can’t run anymore but I was wondering if these shoes with maximalist cushioning would be good for speed-walking or they’re only for runners (due to the stack height and/or offset)? Thanks 🙏
Thought I'd chime in. Several reviewers, this one included, mentions that they're super awkward and unstable to walk with so I would think they would not be good 🙂
Clogs 🤣Insanely large shoe & at $420 Australian they will NOT be on my feet for sure as I prefer the Hoka BONDI for my slow stuff with extra cushioning. Gr8 content as always Ben 🤗🤩
I wouldn't wear them if they were not legit / legal in a race situation. I am not an elite runner by any means but I like to play by the rules. Would I call out another runner wearing them? No. Not my place but I would definitely put a mental asterisk on any race results they had. Enjoyed the video but this shoe wouldn't be for me.
They are nowhere near as heavy as an everybody plodder but I did feel the extra bulk compared to say the Adios Pro 2 which is about 50g less in the UK 12.5 I have.
@@TimGrose hope you’re enjoying Portugal! Yeah I did see your video on this, forgot to comment due to distraction! I noticed you actually ran faster in these but seemed to put in a bigger effort judging by your heart rate. Generally though your findings are similar to Ben’s I think - not a shoe you’d reach for over the adiós Pro 2 or the Nike carbon plated offerings. I saw you did a long run in the heat of Portugal. Not very indicative of London in early October perhaps but have you made your mind up about doing London?
@@josephgonzalez_ Back now! I was trying to basically run the same speed but getting 2 runs of about 2.5 miles to the exact second not always possible and yeah for a few seconds, the effort seemed somewhat more based on feel and indeed HR numbers. I thought may as well put some effort into seeing if can "get round". If it is 26 deg C on race day, I will be "prepared" LOL.
Being in the non-competitive group of marathoners, I wouldn’t call out and make a stranger, who may or may not know the rules, feel bad - but would definitely call out my friends. At some point, you have to draw the line and follow the bare minimum of rules. They not legal.
Nhaaa not sold on this one! Bold move by Adidas to release this product, looks really niche as a product. Converted the GBP to CAN and it's a big nope! Thanks for the review Ben!
£220 , jesus , no way am I paying that tbh, once we all start paying 200 plus for shoes the shoe making companies will all start jacking up their prices to suit , that's why I refuse to buy Asics shoes now , over inflated price for a shoe imo
What was Adidas thinking in putting out this shoe and keeping it in their annual production??? Of all the pointless shoes out there this one might be #1. LOL!! It's dangerous to run in anything but a straight line. Has to be on fairly flat pavement. It's illegal for any kind of competition. There's no point in owing this shoe other than for curiosity....in the hopes you dont injure yourself finding out....wht it's like...and if you have $330 CDN to burn and dont want to buy another of the other carbon plate shoes out there at the same $...most are... 3 carbon pieces....like Kipchoges custom Nike Alphafly Nike made for him only that has 3 plates....I'd love to know if that shoe gave him an "unfair advantage" if at all. It's stack height I think was still 39 or 40mm...nothing ludiacris like the Prime Xs 50mm heel/40 forefoot...heh... Was this shoe made for Disney characters? :) To wear at Disney theme parks?? :)) Imagine the looks on the faces of onlokers who arent runners. :)) "WT_ does he hae on his shoes?" "...is he part of the SPECIAL Needs running team??" :)
Its sucks if your goal is to be top 500, 1000 etc and you might have been but for illegal shoes. More so if it was charity focused or to qualify for another event
I would not call out anyone, nor would I really worry about running a race in them since I'm slow (though it's a shoe that doesn't interest me). I do feel that if someone is fast enough to be challenging for race wins or even age group wins, they should follow the sporting rules. Otherwise if you just want the extra stack height to help you plod your way through a long race, go for it.
As a mature runner (I'm 64) I do see the value of shoes like this, as in less fatigue on your legs during your training runs. For me the Invincible Zoom has been a revelation in protecting my legs and is also a much more stable shoe than say a NB Fuelcell Elite 2. Having said that, if I am going to do a race (done 3 this year already) then out come the lightweight shoes, but I don't race beyond 10K...
I wouldn't care about non-professionals racing in those shoes, as long as they are not faster than legal shoes. They are highly cushioned and that could prevent damage or injury especially for amateurs and long distances - that is a good thing, regardless of some ruling that is meant for the elite.
I actually really like this shoe, unlike anything I've ever run in before! Takes some getting used to/wearing in though, and definitely strictly road only with minimal cornering if possible...
Why does it have to be faster than the Adios Pro? The shoe is not marketed as the top racer, but as a training companion. It's suppose to save your legs with lots of cushion. Nothing wrong with that imo.
These shoes are quick but only on the road obviously with minimal cornering , they are bonkers and did bring a smile to bens face so cannot be too bad 😊, good for preserving the legs on longer runs as well!
They look amazing - would be great to do a head to head test with the Next%2
Just did 8 easy miles in my new Prime X yesterday.. fun shoe but you need to keep to good surfaces.
As a 55 year old runner anything that saves my old legs is a big plus
They look much more durable than the Alphafly so that's a plus 😁
Brandon @ Running Shoes Guru thinks they are faster in a straight line than the vaporfly and it's little brother the AAAPro2 - I think these 2 are on par! 😯
Will be doing something 1K intervals over the next few weeks to compare ...in a straight line 😁
I tested that and can't really agree with him.
@@TimGrose I know your analysis is thorough and appreciate your testing them ✅👍🙂
@@lizbee726 I got them 'new' on eBay for £140.. if they allow my old pins to cover the miles they'll be worth it!
Fun shoe puts a smile on your face too
as an elite runner stick to the rules, for everybody else: who cares about stack hight? Reminds me of the discussion around the Tempo Next %, didn't stop me from buying these. Ben, when you talk about stability or the lack thereof I assume you mean "general" stability, not in the sense of pronation, do you? They seem to have a lateral bias just like the Pro 2 and while that disqualified them for you I found this a very good fit for my overpronation and really enjoy those.
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I've been running for 6 years (coaching 5 years) but Initially played ice hockey and technology changes, my first stick was wooden and now have a stick that is made of the best materials and only weighs like 100g. Seeing people complain over technology in shoes is so stupid. Things improve, give it another 5 years and I'd say most shoes will have carbon in them somewhere.
No need to call anyone out when it isn’t really giving an advantage I’d say 😊
what a wild shoe, although I'd never buy anything like this it's definitely fun seeing stuff like this come out! thanks for the review Ben
Got a pair of these and, bit by mistake, did do some off road. Just about survived :) As you mentioned, I don't think adidas really intended these to be a race shoe (legal or otherwise) but more of an up tempo max cushioned concept shoe. I have tested them up against the Adios Pro 2 and even though I could do the same speed as intended, my HR was somewhat higher in the Prime X. So if a non elite wants to race in them then good luck but there are faster and less wobbly shoes out there IMHO. Not sure any other shoe is as fun though - well in a straight line!
Tim, as an experienced and long term runner who hit great times many years ago, how much time do you think you could have shaved off your marathon and half PBs if you was wearing a vaporfly against something like a old school boston or traditional flat?
Thanks again for your review / shoe off Vs AAAPRO2 Tim.. you are most likely right but I need to know for myself - just in case my biomechanics are different 😊
You and KofuZi both said they were a fun shoe and that's enough for me 😁
@@lifephorce It wasn't the most scientific test and different runners may find it different so be interested how you get on.
@@mitchyruns7818 That's a good question and somewhat hard to answer as sadly I don't have a time machine! I think the key difference now is feeling better after hard/long runs which, in turn, should allow you to get fitter. Only sort of data point I have is that I ran 1:20/2:53 HM/Mar in the 1st Boost version of the "normal" adios in 2016 aged 49 but "only" 1:24/2:56 in NEXT% last year aged 53. On age graded you expect to decline of course and the 2:56 was marginally better on age grading but hardly amazing difference. I wore those adios shoes the other day and I certainly would not volunteer for another marathon in them now but versions of that shoe were worn for world records pre the Vaporfly. In my case I only seriously raced HM/Mar for 2 years when already aged 37 so I think I could have improved as much if not more by moving to these events earlier and progressing my training/mileage. Until then I did 800/1500 and often barely 20 miles a week. When I moved to 80 mpw I started making good gains.
@@TimGrose that’s interesting! I noticed that when I trained for my marathon I tended to use something like the endorphin speed more often for sessions or long runs with MP miles in there it almost made feel like I was relying on the shoes too much for the boost. I am going to try (after this injury I picked up at Brighton) to do my sessions in something like has no type of plate in it to try and build my actual fitness up a tad more. I may be wrong but just think it suits me better. Well done on all your times and PBs and on the channel, when I want a review with date you’re my go to!
A concept shoe, like a concept album, interesting for what it is but not always a classic!
I have an injury that cannot be healed that does not allow me to run anymore.
However, with this type of shoe (big cushioning and very soft) and by attacking heel, I still manage to do some jogging.
It's a shame that they have the same problem as my Nike Zoomx Invincible namely the lack of stability.
I'm slow. I wouldn't call out anyone. I don't care what shoe anyone races in. I've tried Asics metaspeed, I've gone back to Saucony A8, my conclusion is hard and thin works for me. Great to see there are a range of offerings
As I have one Adizero Adios pro 2, its good cushioning and comfort.
And now this race shoe only £149.00, bought it for run event in Manchester on end April.... Same size with u. This is good race shoe
Awesome review Ben👍
cornering is lethal lmaoooo
Adidas needs to lighten up the weight of their shoes. Just image if these super shoes were as light as Vaporflys, it would make them so much better.
I would never call out a friend/buddy for wearing this shoe. I think that there's a big difference between the elites, pros and every day runners. And if someone just enjoys new shoes, trying new things and it makes them happy and their run better I'd be all for it. I think that Adidas is well aware of the elite restrictions, they want to corner the ''normal folks'' market for cool ''elite'' shoes. I personally would be curious to try this shoe for myself because my specific leg issues.
Currently using this shoe as long run legs feel fresh I am forefoot striker this is the best shoe I have ever wear for long run
Very good review, thank you..Andre
I think I’d break my ankle in these 😂 fab review as always Ben! Could you do an updated shoe rotation video soon? Xx
It's coming next! Or the one after next!
Just got my first pair of Aplhaflys for a half marathon in a few weeks. Going to test them out at a 10k this weekend and see if i like them over the Vapours
Hey Ben, please please be the first to do a time trial comparison between the prime x vs next % 2? I have both, love the prime X but would like to see how much faster the next %2 really are over 10k+.
Is the vaporfly faster than the Prime X?🤔
It would have to be a straight line ☺️
@@lifephorce I think so...no need for a straight line unless you have paper ankles..I've done mild trail runs in the prime x. People just need to learn how to run.
@@kikii1 I'm going to try my Prime X on some light trails .. fingers crossed 👍😁
I wouldn't call it a friend for racing in these, but if they beat me I'd definetly delight in reminding them that their victory didn't count. 😜
The winner of the Vienna marathon last week wore them and was disqualified, seems odd that they wore them when we know they're illegal.
Definitely not a shoe for me, I'm unstable on my feet at the best of times and had a running related ankle injury earlier this year, I'd roll over on this one for sure!
Smells like a bit of marketing genius by Adidas. They can more than cover the winnings in exchange for getting their shoe mentioned in news and running discussions all over the world.
@@gabegd23 yeah you're probably right. It wouldn't make sense otherwise
Nice review Ben, keep up the great work!
Great shoes for runs on the busway here in cambridgeshire.
Perfect location for them!
Good luck to anyone setting a PB in those. I don’t think they’d really make you quicker and plenty of great super shoes that would probably work better
Looking at your video, it seems like you were having the same problem with the upper that made me send the shoe back. The tongue doesn't actually seem to go all the way across the foot down toward the middle of the shoe. You almost end up with laces that are coming into direct contact with your foot. I wouldn't have balked about this except that the shoe was so expensive that I wasn't willing to tolerate anything that seemed even a little off. I wasn't willing to try running in it for a couple miles to see if it got better because I didn't want to send such a shoe back slightly used.
that forefoot foam/rubber is so generous, where on their other shoe model is lacking, i like it. wonder what is your thoughts about it, fore foot strike while on a fast phase? you killing the reviews and vid is awesome new sub here watch 10 vid already.
Nice video, would maybe try it , as fast long run training shoe ..with so many carbon shoes I would also chose the RC elite
Probably leave legs feeling great after a marathon.
Amazing shoes 🔥 good review ✌️
great vid ben, the bookmarks/chapters aren't showing up for me btw. no worry just thought id let you know!!
Thanks Jeremy.. have fixed it now! :-)
As a runner with supinating footstep are those still good for me? AT the end of a race when runners often resort to heel strike those might get even more unstable for me as the outersole is lowered on the outer side?
Interesting point about the stack height- no chance of any stability in the rain or on a bendy course. This sort of shoe will probably be a one off. Thanks for the review- now I know not to look to get them!
Yes.. a bendy course.. like Parkrun would be dangerous I'd say. Fine on a straight, flat road with no obstacles.. but anything else then you're asking for trouble!
Would it protect the legs of older runners or weaken them Ben? Us 60 y.o. runners need the cushion!
I'm a really big guy for a runner (6'1, 215 lbs) and I think this would be great for me. Not entirely sure though.
I like how Adidas are trying something new. For me however I dont see them being suitable.
Don't think I'm going to be picking this one up, definitely interested but I want to pick up the ASICS metaspeed edge.
Are you going to be reviewing any of the ASICS super shoes Ben?
I’d like to get a pair.. but couldn’t find any last time I looked!
I’m a simple person, if I’m competing then I follow the rules. Not sure if I would call someone out but I would not feel right myself if I used them.
Isn't this the shoe that Charlotte Purdue ran the VLM yesterday? Certainly looks like it. I don't like running shoes that are too big and bulky. Good review Ben 👍🏼
Not for me, Clive - we all run the same races, same distance, and if you're good enough from the rear of the field, and beat the elites, then you win. We should all do so - all puns intended - on an equal footing...
Adidas Adizero Prime X was worn by Ethiopia's Derara Hurisa who won the 2021 Vienna City Marathon with a time of 2:09:22 but was disqualified after shoe soles break World Athletics rules.
What do you do with the shoes that don’t make it into your rotation? Do you sell them on?
Sometimes sell them.. sometimes give them to charity.. or if they are really rubbish.. send them back!
i go these shoes not cause they have more carbon plates , more just becasue my knees are shot and these are a nice medium to have
I have same color and I ran with this shoes twice around 21km. The responsive is very good similar to Aphafly. Personally I would say I like the feeling of the Alphafly than the Prime X but the outsole is better than Alphafly.
Which one you would like have if you can select one of these?
Alphafly for me.. just more stable.
@@BenParkes Agreed with you
This shoe is way to much money. It seems like a more expensive invincible with carbon kitchen sink thrown in. I would not call somebody out as long as it is not a race that bans it. My theory is wear what makes you feel good (as long as you obey the rules).
Being a big guy and starting to do more miles will this help me run longer due to the cushioning?
Personally I'd have a look at Hoka Bondi or Nike Invincible as better alternatives for a max cushioned long run shoe.
@@BenParkes Thank you!! Great content as always and best of luck in the races. When you starting the Ben Parkes run club in East London :)
Well this video was aparantly made before the Vienna marathon LOL
I recorded it today.. just forgot to mention what happened at Vienna!
@@BenParkes haha . Yeah i bet adidas compensated the winner for losing tho. They could not have wished for better marketing right? The forbidden shoe wins
Yes.. all seems a bit suspect!
So they must be fast, when won
Was watching the Berlin Marathon and I wonder what would happen if you let the Pacers run in the Prime X? If Kenenisa would have set the World Record in his Vaporflys, would it stand?
Derara Hurisa was disqualified for wearing the wrong shoes after winning the Vienna Mara.Wrong shoes Adidas Prime X
Fine as a training shoe but ultimately it doesn't meet the world athletics regs, so shouldn't be used in races... If I was beaten by someone wearing them I'd feel somewhat miffed. Would being a 'mid packer' make EPO or HGH acceptable? I mean it doesn't mean a great deal in the grand scheme of things, but at what point does it become unacceptable? The only robust way to approach it is to apply the rules equally to all competitors.
I think that it would be very churlish behaviour to call someone out for using any of the "illegal" shoes in an organized event I suppose it is down to the individual's stance on the issue and how it sits with them personally as to their use in an event. The issue is probably going to be, where do you draw the line and I agree with Gabe G below, If you are in contention for any prize or award overall or in Age Group categories then that IS an issue as they are banned/illegal for a reason ie to prevent unfair advantages in competition, so the impact is not only on you personally, but other competitors and this is where adherence to the set racing rules SHOULD apply.
Ben, How fast would you want to be running, minimum, per mile so that you get benefit from these , and so that they won't be unstable ??
Hi,
As you’ve admitted your adidas size is 12UK, but could you tell me pls your foot length in centimeters?
Cause I’m really want to order this one, but have no any idea about my racing adidas size (btw my foot is 29cm length).
Thank you for advance
When I first raced in Nike 4% I had people saying I was cheating,but anybody can buy them so how’s that cheating.some people don’t like change .see you in London Ben cp🏃🏻♂️
Do you wear the same size as the nike ones?
That heel taper is absurd! It’s a gripe I have with Adidas and the heels are always slightly tapered. Why do they do it?
I have no idea! But it can only be really annoying for a lot of runners out there
Because more than 80% of runners land laterally (heel) and not having the heel taper forces an earlier overpronation (for the majorities of runners who do not have a very neutral gait). It is not just Adidas that has done this this in most models, also New Balance and others. I personally wish all would go for a heel taper. Feels much more natural though the gate cycle.
Love those shoes. So comfy and bouncy
One of these days a gust of wind is going to send a pair of these off the railings and straight into the drink. Only a matter of time!
It has happened before!
@@BenParkes Double sided tape..
I wouldnt really care if I know someone that set a new pb in them, fair enough they give abit of help but they person wearing them is still doing pretty much all the work, putting on shoes was magically make you run a sub 2:10 marathon
I got it just to try ‘em in training, have a hip injury. Fun shoe but extremely unstable. Wouldn’t race in them, felt like gene Simmons. W that stack height
Ben, what do you end up doing with the shoes that do not make your rotation?
Sometimes re-sell them.. sometimes give them to a charity. If they are really rubbish then send them back!
I was about to ask the same thing:)
You say that you are UK12. That is about 31cm in most shoes. Do you know your exact foot length ? I am at L29.5 / R29.6cm.
If added 1.5cm to this, that comes down to 31cm UK12, however I find that most shoes like 95% of all shoes run very small. There is no more half size up, so the next is UK13, what adds another cm, but that is too big now.
I wonder what size did you choose in the NB RC, as this brand runs particularly small. How did the UK12 compare to the Vaporfly UK12 or the Adidas UK12 in sizing ?
I do short races up to 10k in the Nike Streak UK12 and they are perfect, but would definitely need to size up for a half or a full marathon.
Thanks ...
I think it’s each to their own but personally, I couldn’t use anything that isn’t “legal” for races. If we go to a race, we race in a competitive environment and should accept the rules, we all get a place where we come, if that’s top ten, hundred or in the thousands, it should be done right and sat if I killed myself grabbing a top ten place but got beat by a few seconds by someone using this, I wouldn’t be the happiest lol. But that’s totally me and my OCD. Personally I don’t want it to ever go over 40mm, I bet some of the older runners like Radcliffe and Ryan Hall could have set some bigger times if they had these shoes back then!
Actually Ben, did you hear about the guy who won the Vienna marathon in these then got disqualified strait after!?
What I don't like about the current rule is that it seems so arbitrary...like why 40mm, why not 30? You clearly still get a massive performance boost with vaporflys (really similar to the prime X). I'm sure if it was 45mm, then the alphafly would be 44.5mm, not 39.5mm. If you really want to take a stand against super shoes, you should be running in more minimalist shoes IMO (and that has its merits).
@@tmtbtw_ I think what it is is that when the vaporfly came in and like nearly everyone switched to it, to ban it would have been huge and maybe they just thought that it’s here now, it’s making headlines for good and bad reasons so let’s cap it here and say no more. I like it now that most brands have a shoe that can compete and it’s not just Nike or you’re loosing out. Personally, I only use any of my plated trainers for either races or tough workouts every now and again, I never use them for daily training or anything as I just feel like they’re helping me rather than my body getting fitter if that makes sense. I’d be totally cool if they banned them though, I’d like the idea of a few races in flats and stuff. I did Brighton marathon a few weeks ago and I went out in the sub 3 groups and you’re talking literally 90% or more had plated trainers on, and it must have been 80/85% of that were either vaporfly or alphafly. Think I seen a few endorphins, one or two NB RC elites and surprisingly only 1 adidas adios pro (that shoe is brilliant). Saying that, I picked an injury up and honestly feel like I was sinking into my alphaflys too much and that may have contributed to it a little bit so even now I’m thinking about going to a more minimalist or firmer racing shoe
Hi, can you please tell me if these shoes would be good for power/speed-walking for a heavyset (230 lbs) man.
I have a messed up back from a work injury & unfortunately can’t run anymore but I was wondering if these shoes with maximalist cushioning would be good for speed-walking or they’re only for runners (due to the stack height and/or offset)? Thanks 🙏
Thought I'd chime in. Several reviewers, this one included, mentions that they're super awkward and unstable to walk with so I would think they would not be good 🙂
Perfect product for shorter men I'd say. A much appreciated innovation hahaha
does it support HIGH ARCH foot?
Clogs 🤣Insanely large shoe & at $420 Australian they will NOT be on my feet for sure as I prefer the Hoka BONDI for my slow stuff with extra cushioning. Gr8 content as always Ben 🤗🤩
Good job your expensive shoe didn't fall off the railing into the river. Blu tac?
The railing is quite wide.. and it wasn’t windy!
I wouldn't wear them if they were not legit / legal in a race situation. I am not an elite runner by any means but I like to play by the rules. Would I call out another runner wearing them? No. Not my place but I would definitely put a mental asterisk on any race results they had. Enjoyed the video but this shoe wouldn't be for me.
It wouldn't be a shoe for me after hearing your negatives and seeing there wasn't much grip.
Yeah, I imagine they aren’t that fast because they are so damn heavy! I’ll be steering clear of it.
They are nowhere near as heavy as an everybody plodder but I did feel the extra bulk compared to say the Adios Pro 2 which is about 50g less in the UK 12.5 I have.
@@TimGrose hope you’re enjoying Portugal! Yeah I did see your video on this, forgot to comment due to distraction! I noticed you actually ran faster in these but seemed to put in a bigger effort judging by your heart rate. Generally though your findings are similar to Ben’s I think - not a shoe you’d reach for over the adiós Pro 2 or the Nike carbon plated offerings.
I saw you did a long run in the heat of Portugal. Not very indicative of London in early October perhaps but have you made your mind up about doing London?
@@josephgonzalez_ Back now! I was trying to basically run the same speed but getting 2 runs of about 2.5 miles to the exact second not always possible and yeah for a few seconds, the effort seemed somewhat more based on feel and indeed HR numbers. I thought may as well put some effort into seeing if can "get round". If it is 26 deg C on race day, I will be "prepared" LOL.
Being in the non-competitive group of marathoners, I wouldn’t call out and make a stranger, who may or may not know the rules, feel bad - but would definitely call out my friends. At some point, you have to draw the line and follow the bare minimum of rules. They not legal.
Nhaaa not sold on this one! Bold move by Adidas to release this product, looks really niche as a product. Converted the GBP to CAN and it's a big nope! Thanks for the review Ben!
Yes.. it's pretty expensive for such a niche thing like you say.. Cheers for the support Pat :-)
@@BenParkes I think they are a bargain as they save your joints...and in non official races they aren't illegal apparently.
No way !!!
Bonkers
Its not the shoes that Run. If you don't Run or give 100% on practice ir doesnt manter ir is Vaporfly ou Adios
£220 , jesus , no way am I paying that tbh, once we all start paying 200 plus for shoes the shoe making companies will all start jacking up their prices to suit , that's why I refuse to buy Asics shoes now , over inflated price for a shoe imo
Too unstable and too expensive. Thanks Ben 👊
Id give em a go but not for that much $.
The shoes won’t move without the runner moving so if anyone wants to wear them so be it
What was Adidas thinking in putting out this shoe and keeping it in their annual production??? Of all the pointless shoes out there this one might be #1. LOL!! It's dangerous to run in anything but a straight line. Has to be on fairly flat pavement. It's illegal for any kind of competition. There's no point in owing this shoe other than for curiosity....in the hopes you dont injure yourself finding out....wht it's like...and if you have $330 CDN to burn and dont want to buy another of the other carbon plate shoes out there at the same $...most are...
3 carbon pieces....like Kipchoges custom Nike Alphafly Nike made for him only that has 3 plates....I'd love to know if that shoe gave him an "unfair advantage" if at all. It's stack height I think was still 39 or 40mm...nothing ludiacris like the Prime Xs 50mm heel/40 forefoot...heh...
Was this shoe made for Disney characters? :) To wear at Disney theme parks?? :)) Imagine the looks on the faces of onlokers who arent runners. :)) "WT_ does he hae on his shoes?" "...is he part of the SPECIAL Needs running team??" :)
I wouldn’t care if ppl wear these as long as they aren’t elites.
Its sucks if your goal is to be top 500, 1000 etc and you might have been but for illegal shoes. More so if it was charity focused or to qualify for another event
Awful shoe….but lovely colouring
God almighty, if you want to use technology to go faster, buy a bike and tell yourself you're running cos you're still using your legs.
I would laugh at someone wearing them as they look ridiculous
Would you laugh as they passed you and left you for dead?