Hackzall Comparison: Milwaukee Vs Bosch - Reciprocating / Sabre Saw
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ส.ค. 2016
- oztooltalk do a comparison of the super versatile hackzall, also known as a sabre or compact reciprocating saw. We pit Milwaukee's and Bosch's best saws against each other to find a winner.
Can the M12 FUEL keep up with its bigger 18V cousins?
Included reciprocating saw models as follows:
Milwaukee M12 FUEL M12CHZ / 2520
Milwaukee M18 C18HZ / 2625
Bosch GSA 18 V-Li C
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This was the best review for me of the M12 versus the 18Vs and your explanations and actual use were quite practical and not biased. Much appreciated. I am getting the Fuel 12V.
I've purchased the big old M18 model despite the newer big M18 Fuel just came out. It's still very good tool and good $/ value ratio.
Thank you for such a well done review as it helped me choose a reciprocating saw path that is working out very well indeed.
(Ended up getting the M12 Fuel Hackzall/M18 Fuel One Key Sawzall in combination.) Appreciate your work here!
[Dwain] That's a great combo. Enjoy mate!
Great comparison once again mate 👍
[Dwain] cheers James!
Thanks for your great comparison review!! :)
Glad it was helpful!
Super helpful! Thank you!
[Dwain] pleasure mate.
When you did the slim bat pack for the first time cutting wood with the Bosch you pulled back a little when you finished a cut gave time for Milwaukee to catch up
[Dwain] Are you implying that I'm not a perfect hackzall cutting machine?!? hehe
Cool thanks for the video! I have the M18 one. A while back, I was cross shopping between the Milwaukees and wondered if the M12 Fuel would have less vibration. I think I read a while back that Milwaukee claimed that the M12 Fuel had a counter balancing mechanism to reduce vibration and the M18 didn't. But it's good to know it doesn't matter since they all vibrate the same! ehh. Still a good tool.
[Dwain] usually the more powerful and heavy tool will feel better in the hand :)
I use the high capacity packs over the slim packs for that reason too!
great vid dwain and mike, love the m12 fuel that thing has crazy power for a 12v power
[Dwain[ cheers Jimbo, it's a really nice tool.
i love this video thank u
you're welcome :D
These would suck if you compared them to tools “not versatile” but? Their niche is hugely important for me! Your review helped me realize just how important it is for me to prioritize my next tool purchase towards the 12 volt “Little Guy/Lesser Than” Milwaukee!
So much smooth (and predictable) performance coming from such a small package is huge.
Thanks for the H2H review. How about doing a H2H review of different brands of blades?
Would also be nice to do for other categories of drills and blades for others tools.
[Dwain] I also think it would be interesting, but comparisons are a LOT of work, and I just don't think it'll get enough traffic to be worth it. :(
Regarding the Bosch it appears that you are using more degrees of radius with the Bosch maybe try stops on the up and down strokes all equal degrees of arch?
Hello, thanks for answer the question.I bought my Milwaukee 2720 it is powerful,but too heavy, and Milwaukee 2520 weight fine,but she can not cope with the sharp metal from 1/2" to 2", I have no way to compare them and most interested in cutting metal and cast iron possibly even 4" .
the 18v hackzall's featured here are a fair bit more powerful than the 2520, but I don't think 4" cast iron pipe is going to be easy for them. If you have the space a cordless bandsaw would be better for that sort of work.
The m12 is perfect for the normal task of a saber saw. Inside a cabinet cutting drain stubouts, crawl space cutting out copper overhead, or cutting pipe over the top of a utility truck, allowing the use of a smaller tool bag. Anyone would use a sawzall for any of the other tasks.
Great little comparison. I was looking at the M12 while back but bit worried it was bit of a toy.
Pretty cheap too. I found it for $315 with a charger and 4AH battery.
I love how easy the M12 line is to get into aswell, the batteries are so cheap and if you already got M18 you got the charger already.
Quick question, do these just take normal recip blades or are they different?
(Mike) Standard recip blades mate.
The M18 Hackzall with 5.0 battery is far superior. Used it all day on one battery charge cutting 2” copper & 3/8 rod, never lets me down. Almost no vibration & total beast with the Diablo blades. -Chicago Plumber
M Lino - Gotta agree. I just spent the entire day taking the plumbing out of a gigantic old building, and the Hackzall Fuel, with the big battery, and Diablo blades were a Godsend.
heavy as hell on the hand though
NICE VIDEO, THANK U.!!!!
[Dwain] Thanks victor
on the milwaukee hacksaw is that a 18v brushless unit or not? , nice video
no, they don't make a brushless hackzall. only their larger sawzall.
Bosch is faster on the timber because of the longer stroke length but with the metal shorter stroke is better that is why the Milwaukee was better
A very nice review! Do you have any idea how these compare to the big battery sawzalls?
[Dwain] they're much lighter and easier to handle, but not in the same power category as for instance the Milwaukee FUEL sawzall.
Oz Tool Talk Thanks, that is about what I expected.
I assume all tools were using the same blade? Actually a smaller size sawzall would come in handy like the little automotive air saw that was reasonably priced and did a great job for many years the blades were probably 5 or 6 times smaller, could do bolts,sheet metal and all sorts of smaller parts, the tools are 5 or 6 times larger and cannot be used in some very tight spaces.
yes they can all take the same blades.
I find the m12 fuel vs m18 comparison very helpful. I picked up the m12 non-fuel hackzall and was very underwhelmed. For heavy/demo work, none of the cordless stuff compares to the higher end corded versions, and for lighter duty work generally prefer a cordless band saw, jig saw, multitool (to use your under cabinet example), or - dare I saw it - a handsaw!
I think the one area this format excels in is cutting plastic (abs, pvs, etc) pipe. Otherwise I find they're in an awkward middle ground where they lack power and/or precision compared to other tools.
[Dwain] I often say that if you can find any other tool to use other than recipro saws (same with multi-tools), then use that. But sometimes there's just no other tool for the job.
I think you'll find the best of the 18V cordless tools (like M18 FUEL Sawzall) are not far behind corded. As you say, cutting pipe is fantastic with this type of compact recipro. Same goes for tree pruning.
SuperSonorous Try the 60v Dewalt. You won't use a corded saw again.
With a small 18V Red Lithium 2.0, how long (or short) should the Hackzall last?
[Dwain] not sure myself. My work mate recently used his M18 hackzall with 2ah battery in a very tough task (thick 180mm HDPE pipe) and reckons he got about 15 minutes of work done (6 cuts).
What about the warranty differences?
Thank you! You helped me,so I will work 2720 heavy,powerful saw,but if You have time please remove the review Milwaukee 2520 and 2720 and more when cutting thick metal.Sincerely Sergei Gorbachev.
Why, sawzall's are not made for cutting thick metal, that's a job for a band saw.
I have the millwaukee 12v saw for smaller jobs and the bosch 18v when I need more power both very good machines. Here in germany the bosch is more than 100€ cheaper compared to the 18v mil model....
Thanks for sharing!
The bosch have all power
If I understand correctly that the 2720 is not much better and more powerful than the 2520 ,but I thing the saw coped with the metal from 1/2" to 2" ,cutting cast iron I had my eye on the Ridgid No. 226.
I think there would be a big difference in power between the FUEL Sawzall (2720) and the M12 or M18 Hackzalls.
The m12 has saved me on the job many times
Sounds good. We cut insulation for commercial roof all day, so I feel the M12 seems practical on the job. We use hand saws, too. However, it's perfect for laying in roof with time sensitive adhesives.
Update this test with the m18 fuel hackzall maybe? :D
Cheers!
we just did a full recip comparison for the one-handed units, including the FUEL. Go check it out!
These are all nice accurate compact tools, but I think my mad Ryobi would easily get through that structual timber. But I suppose my Ryobi is a 'Sawzall'.
I take that different blades help as well. Nice blades.
Vince King I have no doubt that your Ryobi would do that, with anything it's also a matter of speed and longevity. Not sure the Ryobi would hold up to as much work/abuse. MAY be wrong but that's my feeling. And yes blades makes a huge difference I think. 👍🏼 (mike)
[Dwain] the Ryobi recip punches above its dollar value in my experience, though my dad's did only last 18 months or so. I would expect it to probably be on par or just ahead of these compact saws, but these can be used one handed and are much lighter. Full size recip saws take the same blades as the compact ones (from tiny 12V units to mega BL 'sawzalls').
Some people are saying they look alike,and they do, just like every recip saw and circular looks like each other but they don't all perform the same
[Dwain] but the hackzall was quite unique until now.
That's because had there's in the works first just because you come oit first doesn't mean you design it first
What would be the reasons one would choose a powered hacksaw (hackzall) over a reciprocating saw (sawzall)?
Thanks.
Complex (mike) For me ‘formfactor’ and the ‘compact style’.
I’m not a fan of the long recipro build. Just a personal thing for me.
Hmm, ok - cool. I'll check'em both out and try to get a better idea. Something smaller is also better for me, so long as it can still cope with the electrical trade and has versatility in other applications too.
Thanks.
I think that’s probably wise. (I’m thinking having both could be wise too?) I see that for me anyways.....architectural restoration guy here and so many tight situations.
Reciprocation saw is a typical demo tool. Maybe also for concrete formwork.
Hacksaw is more an Lkround cutoff tool for pipe, small beams, wood, brenches.
If you need one for home take the hacksaw
does Bosch have 12 volt saber saw ?
[Dwain] sure do! th-cam.com/video/Q1EmXl2qn8s/w-d-xo.html
What is your opinion now in 2020, almost 4 years later after long term durable use?
the M12 FUEL is the only one we still have (M18 was a lend and Bosch was stolen). The FUEL is still going great!
@@OZToolTalk , Glad to hear that the M12 FUEL is still going great. Sorry to hear about your Bosch being stolen :-(
Hello,I'm a plumber. Make repairs of heating, water supply and Sewerage, advise me please what is the Sawzall I purchased.Milwaukee 2520-20,2625-20,2720-20 ?
[Dwain] I'd say get one of these. Whichever isn't too big for the spaces you need to get into.
I think as a plumber also you should have the 12 & 18 V fuel for light & heavy duty work as well as tight spaces under sinks, etc.
how does the M18 hackzall compare against the M18 sawzall?
[Dwain] I haven't done a comparison sorry, so it's hard to say. I haven't used the regular m18 sawzall, but the FUEL sawzall certainly has a LOT more power (and weight) than the hackzall.
I heard it was the same motor between the sawzall and fuel hackzall
Thanks for the comparison. Kind of expensive to try tools and not like them. I'm looking for a "girl" saw ---something very lightweight--- for cleaning up the branches and left over wood for my tiny 12" free-standing fireplace,. Even if it struggles with the bigger branches, I see how you use it, and feel safe trying it. I kind of wish you had talked about what blade you used for different jobs. That must be another video.
[Dwain] please mate. my dad always taught me to try to get about 2-3 teeth in the thickness of the material (for steel). for branches and stuff, just get the most aggressive pruning blade you can find :)
radicalaccounting what you described is the m12 easily. Light weight compact easy to use and it's still powerful enough to take on the big jobs just a bit slower. As far as the blades the ones with larger wider spaced teeth are for wood and the ones with smaller close together teeth are for metal
I am not sure why milwaukee does not make a brushless or fuel version in the m18 hackzall like they do in their m12. The m12 fuel has the advantage with the brushless motor of not losing power gradually over time the way that brushed motors do, and also lasting longer period. When I have bigger cutting tasks I just use the full size m18 fuel sawzall which it amazing and is actually faster cutting than their corded. I guess I would not buy the m18 hackzall because that gap does not need to be filled and because I would rather not buy a brushed motor tool unless i have to in the platform that I am using.
[Dwain] Yeah I am also surprised there isn't a FUEL M18 Hackzall.
Ari P gattuccio boh 12 v
Oz Tool Talk ...think 2017 has brought out a 18v fuel hacksaw
Ari P they do now.
There use 2 be 14v when I did door framework most be gone off the market
14.4V is still a thing, but its very uncommon to see in Australia. Certainly rarely used by tradespeople. It's much bigger in Europe I believe, maybe Asia too.
like that m12. have you used the compact 18v makita?
[Dwain] nah i haven't, just wanted to compare the models of this shape today :)
Nice job, Milwaukee all the way!
[Dwain] cheers!
Let's see the m18 vs the dewalt compact 20v recip saw I believe it's the dcs387
[Dwain] bit late now unfortunately.
The price
[Dwain] google it ;) i didn't even look it up sorry. and it depends where you buy.
Need to use the same weight on each so each saw has the same downwards force, eg dumbell
[Dwain] it would be good, but I don't own a lab, it's just my workshop. I did my very best to apply equal pressure to each. Even weighted tests are flawed if you don't take the tool weight into account. They're accurate for vertical down cuts, but not sideways or upside down cuts.
Why didn't you have the 12v Bosch???
[Dwain] I did, but that wasn't a fair fight. I only included the M12 FUEL to see if it competed with 18v units as I'd heard some people claim.
I had 2 milwakee 18 volt they don't last, less then a year so i will not buy them any more
They have a warranty. Were they the brushless Fuel models?
At least you have a 5 year warranty to benefit you
Nice comparison but who is this Zed you speak of 😛 #tiacrew
[Dwain] huh? at what point?
+Oz Tool Talk I was just joking about the way Brits and Aussies use Zed instead of the 'Murican Zero
idk why you had to move your hand when you need to let the saw do the work
[Dwain] when a tool (like reciprocating saws) has a limited motion, it can struggle to clear chips in thicker material. Rocking the tool reduced the area you are cutting at any point in time allowing the tool to clear the chips properly. Many people do this with recipros. :)
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And oh by the way Milwaukee didn't invent the recipricating saw they have been around 3000 years and gas motor operated early 1900's Milwaukee made the first electric recip saw they didn't invent it
Hmmm interesting point. Where's your info from please?
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not a fair comparison because you are using knock off Milwaukee batteries. I've noticed a huge difference in performance because of bad Chinese batteries
(mike) They are 100% genuine batteries mate.
Oz Tool Talk at 0:22 when you start talking why is there huge numbers on the sides of the batteries then. Milwaukee has never made a battery look like that
sorry my ignorance got the best of me. I'm American and we don't have batteries that look like that haha. those look really similar to the knock off ones I see all the time on amazon and ebay
(mike) No worries mate. i was about to ask where you're from. 👍👍
Please learn how to use a sawzall. Allow the tool to cut do not constantly rock the tool back-and-forth. Amateur hour for sure.
so you say, but I see contractors using this technique all the time, as I do myself on site. It reduced the cut depth and therefore the load on the tool. I use a reciprocating saw several times a week.
Oz Tool Talk Reducing the load on the tool is a ridiculous statement if I have ever heard one. The tool is built to work and it is not going to be stressed by not rocking it back-and-forth like an untrained person. If it was meant to rock back-and-forth the guide on the front would articulate but it doesn’t so it is not meant to. BTW I am a commercial electrician and I use power tools like a sawzall as well as a bandsaw very frequently And I do not pay attention to what the untrained do I pay attention to the immortals that brought me into this amazing trade. When you see somebody rocking a saw back-and-forth like that you know they are a newbie. Many times during your video you do not rock the saw back-and-forth So why the inconsistency. As well if you want to know a tools real capabilities do you have to let the tool engage the material 100% of the time and not rock it back-and-forth. Non-scientific nonsense, Definitely not an accurate comparison.
Remember some rocking is not a tool sin, because you'll be all day if you wait on the tool
And there all called sawzall. It doesn't make what brand, there all sawzall. I never heard a single person say saber saw haba. Merica
It's the same as calling tissues 'kleenex' or a vaccuum cleaner a 'hoover'.
Bosch is better.
Always u make mistakes with bosch because it was lose😠😠😠😠
Roberts Manguss Bosch tools are really bad..
Roberts Manguss lol
Bosch has had some incredibly stupid tool designs, I have one of them. It appears they have now overcome that by exactly copying Milwaukee's design. Milwaukee or death for me.
Milwaukee ergonomics and designs are worse than Milwaukees said nobody before...
Kind of dumb to compare apples and oranges. Each is marketed towards different users. Someone who will be using the tool more or for heavier use, will go for the 18V line of tools. Lighter users will choose the 12V. Women and kids also prefer the 12V line (my family experience only, but I suspect that will also be widely known). I'm not trying to paint the 12V line as the 'girly' option, as I know the knuckle draggers will use that 'less power is less manly' idiocy to justify buying a heavier, more expensive tool than is necessary to do the job.
(Dwain) I did say that I only included the M12 FUEL is heard people claim it was the match of the 18v unit. In any case, I think it helps people to choose their best fit, and the M12 FUEL held its own!
Comparing the M12 in this review is very intelligent because a specialty tool is more about proper use over Neanderthal muscle. (A soccer player would kick the hell out of a boxer in a “pine cone fight”....) Lol
Whatever rocks your boat is what matters