Opened the muffler baffle hole on my newer ms193. Runs a whole lot better now. Also removed the high speed limiter cap to obtain a richer mixture. More air flow requires more fuel. The saw you mod'd is a beast !! Just discovered your awesome channel.
Human, just a heads up, I modded my MS362CM muffler just as you did. With the added port not having that deflector cover it much, the exhaust started to melt my chain brake handle... I bought a small piece of sheet metal and added on to the existing deflector using my harbor freight welder. Turned out slick and no more melted handle! Just food for thought. Love the vids!!!
Ahhhhh, I love the sound of chainsaws humming and mowers too. Very soothing. If this video was longer I could play it before going to sleep as a sleep aid! Don’t take that wrong, it’s a nice sound that I like and it kinda makes me sleepy! Lol
I have an MS 361. I know that your not a big fan of 60 CC saw class. I must say that this is probably one of Stihl’s greatest saws. Light as a feather and a super fast cutter with 4.4 HP. I have had jobs where I’ve had to drop several dozen 80’ red oaks and the 361 handled it well. I’ve also done a lot of trimming and limbing with ease. A porting job will give up to 30% more power! For a couple hundred dollars you can be within a whisper of 462 power. That is 5.8 HP with ported 361 as opposed to 6.0 HP With 462. A 18-20” bar is letter perfect and a 24” bar will work in a pinch. Any way you slice it, this is a great little saw with an impressive power to weight ratio. In fact, before the 500i was around I believe this saw ranked 2nd in Best power to weight ratio behind the 660/661.
Looked like you used red loctite? That's the high strength stuff that will require heat to get out from my experience. Is that standard procedure for guys doing this? I normally use the blue (medium strength) on most stuff but honestly have never used it on the ones I've done. Just wondering what others do.
I generally always use red, haven't really had any issues with getting them out later. Just use it mainly as it's what I like for the muffler bolts on my 200t and 201t.
I just purchased a MS362 CM and am getting ready to shred some wood! Even on first start, this saw screams and no doubt will have the power I need keeping it bone stock. Thanks for your videos.
That's the magic smoke don't let to much outta your drill or it will quit on ya! My impact did just that when I was completing my deck project. Keep the smoke inside your Dewalt tools!
I assume you upgraded (or plan to upgrade) your hearing protection when you more or less defeated the mufflers? Eyes and ears need all the protection you can give them.
No kidding after I opened up my 460s exhaust it makes my eardrums vibrate and burns the bark when cutting off a stump! I’m at about 14.4 and couple years have passed Stihl runs like a champ
Was that Cluth before RATM in your playlist? I love Clutch. I have a 441 non m-tronic. Would like to mod it but it runs so well stock I'm afraid to mess with it. I'd be psyched if you made a 441 mod video. Great content tftp!
I see that amsoil saber can be used as a 100:1 ratio. What ratio do you use or what would you recommend. Would the ratio be model specific? I have a stihl ms180 saw, fs 70R trimmer, and an hs 45 hedge trimmer. (Ps, I usually have to listen to some tool after watching your vids!)
@@Human1337 yup, i ran Saber at 50:1 in my BG55 blower and it clogged the spark screen, tons of lube in the engine- no carbon but ALOT of sludge, probably would run a million years- but since then i mixed it at 80:1 and things are perfect
Sir, it would be nice to know your opinion of the work you've performed. Does porting the head actually have any noticable effect? Poking addtional holes in the muffler? Love the videos though, thanks!
Not enough torque in that older dewalt.. he let off of it and it seemed to work still, no harm no foul. They only have so much magic smoke to give, if you let it all out they quit
What axe model do you have stuck in that chunk of wood? Is that the Pro Universal Forestry Axe by Stihl? I’m looking for something to drive wedges with.
Hey Cory (or anyone else that knows) what's this oil you're using that doesn't leave the build up and what ratio are you running? Are you using the same ratio across all your saws 201-880? Thanks brother
Hey man, new subscriber here; love the channel. Question: I'm about to splurge on a plain 362 (sans Comfort, non M-Tronic) and plan to open the port on the muffler up some like you did here once it's broken in. Will that require a carb adjustment? It's my understanding the M-Tronic models make any necessary adjustments automatically. Thanks!
GroundStudiesGroup I have a 362cm.. great lil saw... no issues with it whatsoever... had it for about a year and a half now... put a tsumara lightweight bar on it.. and I also sent it out to hotsaws101 for the psy-ko treatment .... should be back in a few weeks ... did you ever put, the trigger on buying it?
I don't think they use loctite at the factory. Convert them to mounts like an 880, 304 m4 stainless bolts permanent loctite into the body then 304 stainless nuts, did this to all of my ground saws.
Have you ever heard of a muffler cover called a bark box? Made by west coast saws. I wanna get one for my 462 but I wanna see videos of it first. Before and after.
i have the exact same dewalt 18v cordless. smokes up like crazy, bought the high end dewalt, much better. The old one still goes, still smokes, not sure if its got a lot of life left...
What are you using to measure whatever you're measuring? Haha that's a double question...but really I watched the whole video(I'm actually watching every single one of yours one at a time lol) I earned an answer to my double I think lol pretty please
Do you have a link for your rpm reader? Would you make a step by step video on how to tune a chainsaw. This is a good video, but would like to see a video with a little clearer explanation. Like the videos. Thanks!
I watch a lot of your videos I haven't seen them on your channel. But I was wondering if you know anything about the 034AV or the 021. I just got them really cheap on line and don't know anything about them.
Human: Love the channel and the content. New subscriber here! You present the information so that both novices and experienced people can gain insight. Well done! Have a question about the tachometer you were using. There are several different brands out there within a wide price range. I was wondering what brand and model you might recommend. Maybe that might be a video topic you could do sometime. Thanks for giving of your time to help others. Appreciate you.
I use a highly technical process of taking it off, and drilling a bunch of holes, lol. I'm sure there's a proper way, what it is though, I've no clue. Not a mechanic, I just wing it
Try to make the outlet hole slightly smaller than the exhaust port. Make the path have the least amount of resistance possible. Remove material via methods shown in this video
Hey man love you videos good job keep up the good work question I just bought my first Stihl chainsaw the MS 251 what do you think about it I eventually want to upgrade any suggestion! I got about a little over 1 acre to clear my backyard
I use the 250 as my climbing saw. It works great in the trees even though it’s not a pro saw like the 201t. Where the 251 has trouble is bar size. Most logs over 18” is just too much for the 251. My 290 has been very faithful to me for years now! It is also a very affordable saw 362 and 461 will be my next purchases!!
I don't like muffler mods. I do like dual port covers like the bark box. Check them out you will like the functionality and looks. Thanks for the videos.
people that use a drill instead of an impact driver ...SMH ...dude just get an impact driver. Good idea with the step bit. I will use that idea. Thanks !
I have a Stihl blower that the muffler screws loosen every time I use it. I clean the screws and the threaded holes in the cylinder with brake cleaner and blow them out. I used Loctite Blue. Should I try Red ?
Mr Human is the kind of guy i’d love to have a beer with while wrenching on stuff. The style of video he makes is very enjoyable to watch.
Always liked the sound of the 461 idle 👌
you honestly have the best music taste - 17 year old from Australia
I copied your idea on my 461 with my own finishing touches. Finally got carb tuned to my satisfaction. This thing is a ripper for sure! Thanks
I have a 361. I love it! I must say, with its lightweight and speed, it’s great for what it’s intended to do.
Love the music you play in the shop. Cant get enough of Tool.
KSHE 95 REAL ROCK RADIO 🤘
Opened the muffler baffle hole on my newer ms193. Runs a whole lot better now. Also removed the high speed limiter cap to obtain a richer mixture. More air flow requires more fuel.
The saw you mod'd is a beast !!
Just discovered your awesome channel.
Thanks =)
I1lt
Echo red armor is a nice oil too. I go 40:1 and my stihls seem to like it. No carbon build up.
Human, just a heads up, I modded my MS362CM muffler just as you did. With the added port not having that deflector cover it much, the exhaust started to melt my chain brake handle... I bought a small piece of sheet metal and added on to the existing deflector using my harbor freight welder. Turned out slick and no more melted handle! Just food for thought. Love the vids!!!
LOL, done that on a saw or two myself.
I melted mine a little on my 362cm too. So sad lol.
Advance the timing 5 degrees and slightly smooth and bevel the casting on the exhaust port for better flow. 14000 rpm a ok.
You are so talented, we want more. Job well done my friend!!!
I literally have the same 2 saws... might do this eventually! Good taste, love my 362 and 461
Ahhhhh, I love the sound of chainsaws humming and mowers too. Very soothing. If this video was longer I could play it before going to sleep as a sleep aid! Don’t take that wrong, it’s a nice sound that I like and it kinda makes me sleepy! Lol
Jesus IsGod it's the gas fumes that makes me sleepy lol😎👍
You should hear me snore.
Did a muffler mod on my ms362c-m and it’s much happier now. Doesn’t bog as bad in the cut with the 25” bar.
my mom just called you the tree hugger guy.
I have an MS 361. I know that your not a big fan of 60 CC saw class. I must say that this is probably one of Stihl’s greatest saws. Light as a feather and a super fast cutter with 4.4 HP. I have had jobs where I’ve had to drop several dozen 80’ red oaks and the 361 handled it well. I’ve also done a lot of trimming and limbing with ease. A porting job will give up to 30% more power! For a couple hundred dollars you can be within a whisper of 462 power. That is 5.8 HP with ported 361 as opposed to 6.0 HP With 462. A 18-20” bar is letter perfect and a 24” bar will work in a pinch. Any way you slice it, this is a great little saw with an impressive power to weight ratio. In fact, before the 500i was around I believe this saw ranked 2nd in Best power to weight ratio behind the 660/661.
Nice video, I'm getting a 461 this spring and I wanted to model my muffler also. ! That Amsoil works great huh? That cylinder was clean!!
I can't say anything bad about it, seems pretty awesome.
Looked like you used red loctite? That's the high strength stuff that will require heat to get out from my experience. Is that standard procedure for guys doing this? I normally use the blue (medium strength) on most stuff but honestly have never used it on the ones I've done. Just wondering what others do.
I generally always use red, haven't really had any issues with getting them out later. Just use it mainly as it's what I like for the muffler bolts on my 200t and 201t.
What rpm reader you using brother? Also, are you using RSF chain? If not, you should try some out. Awesome channel btw. 👍🏻
This channel is surprisingly interesting.
As is the information in your comments, thanks =)
I just purchased a MS362 CM and am getting ready to shred some wood! Even on first start, this saw screams and no doubt will have the power I need keeping it bone stock. Thanks for your videos.
Enjoy it! =)
God bless ya,I haven't run my saws all winter...think I'll look at the 290's muffler before I go up north to the brother in law's place.
Good stuff ! Nice weather you have there, perfect to cut some slices 😎
That's the magic smoke don't let to much outta your drill or it will quit on ya! My impact did just that when I was completing my deck project. Keep the smoke inside your Dewalt tools!
I just put the west coast saw bark box on my 461 👌🏻
Haha we have had that drill at the shop. Its smoked and stank from day one... I'm waiting for it to catch fire but year 4 now and it still goes
Exhaust screws on pretty much everything get tight, constant heating and cooling down will make them tight as a bastard
Use Rocksett for high temp thread locking. It's a better product that's actually made for that.
Man, I sure miss this stuff.
I just took off my whole muffler after watching your vid now my stihl shoots flams lol....
Haha no restriction if there's no muffler
ive open headered a ms 171 once
sum bish ws POPIN LIKE A BUCK
and it would only run with no muffer
so you know thats fun fixing that crap
I do that with my blower and the sound is just stupid funny.
Yeah you'll suck cold air in also and cause micro fractures or ghosting on your cylinder/piston among other shit
And now it's even louder, I built myself a header and a multi camber exhaust silencer, and more power in lower regions
Nice way to finish up the video with a little Pantera 🤘
Chainsaws and RHCP, you got a subscriber dude.
That 362 sounds so bad ass
I assume you upgraded (or plan to upgrade) your hearing protection when you more or less defeated the mufflers?
Eyes and ears need all the protection you can give them.
Robert Szasz HUH what can't hear you lol 😎👍
No kidding after I opened up my 460s exhaust it makes my eardrums vibrate and burns the bark when cutting off a stump! I’m at about 14.4 and couple years have passed Stihl runs like a champ
I wear plugs and muffs.
The Milwaukee M12 rotary tool is so much better than the Dremel.
I thought 461 had limited coil for 13,500. Did you swap it out or did I miss something?
Hey man what do I have to adjust the carby to after this mod ? Thanks mate awsome vid
Like the tool music in the back ground 🤘🏻
Was that Cluth before RATM in your playlist? I love Clutch. I have a 441 non m-tronic. Would like to mod it but it runs so well stock I'm afraid to mess with it. I'd be psyched if you made a 441 mod video. Great content tftp!
Love the paint job!👍😎
I see that amsoil saber can be used as a 100:1 ratio. What ratio do you use or what would you recommend. Would the ratio be model specific?
I have a stihl ms180 saw, fs 70R trimmer, and an hs 45 hedge trimmer. (Ps, I usually have to listen to some tool after watching your vids!)
I'm no expert at all, so can't really give advice. Can say though that I've been running mine at 80:1, and haven't had any issues.
@@Human1337 yup, i ran Saber at 50:1 in my BG55 blower and it clogged the spark screen, tons of lube in the engine- no carbon but ALOT of sludge, probably would run a million years- but since then i mixed it at 80:1 and things are perfect
Sir, it would be nice to know your opinion of the work you've performed. Does porting the head actually have any noticable effect? Poking addtional holes in the muffler? Love the videos though, thanks!
I have a 361, not alot of info on my saw- good? bad? i see you mention Amsoil Sabor- do you mix it at 50:1 or leaner? good videos man!
Drills are not supposed to smoke like a chimney
he probably has cutting fluid on it
No but oil does.
Not enough torque in that older dewalt.. he let off of it and it seemed to work still, no harm no foul. They only have so much magic smoke to give, if you let it all out they quit
That’s just a dewalt trademark , if your dewalt stops smoking something’s wrong ... and run
Yes they are
It would be possible to increase the air intake of the chainsaw so that it gains power?
Music was on point.
The bottom bolts on the 461 are just hard turning
Sounded like the 362 was rev limiting to me. Does the ECU have a rev limiter? If so, that calibration procedure might be the Cockford-Ollie.
i'm running saber too , 40:1 in saws , 50:1 in trimmers , edgers and blowers.
What axe model do you have stuck in that chunk of wood? Is that the Pro Universal Forestry Axe by Stihl? I’m looking for something to drive wedges with.
What kind of paint did you paint your top cover with? Looks perty with the paint job.
Hey Cory (or anyone else that knows) what's this oil you're using that doesn't leave the build up and what ratio are you running? Are you using the same ratio across all your saws 201-880?
Thanks brother
Hey man, new subscriber here; love the channel. Question: I'm about to splurge on a plain 362 (sans Comfort, non M-Tronic) and plan to open the port on the muffler up some like you did here once it's broken in. Will that require a carb adjustment? It's my understanding the M-Tronic models make any necessary adjustments automatically. Thanks!
Correct, mtronic auto adjusts, standard carb will need to be adjusted though
Human Roger that, thanks. I’m being advised to get the M-Tronic 362 instead.
GroundStudiesGroup I have a 362cm.. great lil saw... no issues with it whatsoever... had it for about a year and a half now... put a tsumara lightweight bar on it.. and I also sent it out to hotsaws101 for the psy-ko treatment .... should be back in a few weeks ... did you ever put, the trigger on buying it?
I must've missed this video when it came out.
I don't think they use loctite at the factory. Convert them to mounts like an 880, 304 m4 stainless bolts permanent loctite into the body then 304 stainless nuts, did this to all of my ground saws.
Have you ever heard of a muffler cover called a bark box? Made by west coast saws. I wanna get one for my 462 but I wanna see videos of it first. Before and after.
Leaner is where your powers at if saw is broke in.
i have the exact same dewalt 18v cordless. smokes up like crazy, bought the high end dewalt, much better. The old one still goes, still smokes, not sure if its got a lot of life left...
What are you using to measure whatever you're measuring? Haha that's a double question...but really I watched the whole video(I'm actually watching every single one of yours one at a time lol) I earned an answer to my double I think lol pretty please
Didn't do any in this video, but in prior modification video's I made a pre, and post mod cut, and timed them.
I think he meant the rpm's. How were you taching it?
My ms400 bottom bolts were tighter then a nun on Saturday night. Must be a Stihl factory thing.
Love the videos! Random question for you, what’s the best way to clean a chain?
Not sure, don't do that on mine, believe others soak them in a solution though, likely anything would work.
Bury it in a log.
don't let the smoke out.
what SIZE BR ARE YOU RUNNING ON THE 461
Do you have a link for your rpm reader? Would you make a step by step video on how to tune a chainsaw. This is a good video, but would like to see a video with a little clearer explanation. Like the videos. Thanks!
I watch a lot of your videos I haven't seen them on your channel. But I was wondering if you know anything about the 034AV or the 021. I just got them really cheap on line and don't know anything about them.
If you could only buy one of these saws, which would it be? Also, have you had any problems with the oiler running larger bars on either saw? Thanks
Can you do a detailed vid on the 462 c m please
i see people pull starting like that and wonder how many times have people smashed their nuts pulling a big saw.
Nice to watch someone who cusses and isn't worried about be super proper. Where you from?
St. Louis
Next up saw king modifications for the “wall hangers”
Human: Love the channel and the content. New subscriber here! You present the information so that both novices and experienced people can gain insight. Well done! Have a question about the tachometer you were using. There are several different brands out there within a wide price range. I was wondering what brand and model you might recommend. Maybe that might be a video topic you could do sometime. Thanks for giving of your time to help others. Appreciate you.
How would I go about opening up the muffler ?
I use a highly technical process of taking it off, and drilling a bunch of holes, lol. I'm sure there's a proper way, what it is though, I've no clue. Not a mechanic, I just wing it
Try to make the outlet hole slightly smaller than the exhaust port. Make the path have the least amount of resistance possible. Remove material via methods shown in this video
Nice job on your videos. Can you share what type of Amsoil you use? I heard you mention it in the video. Thanks
It's the Amsoil Saber
Human do you mix 100:1 like they advertise or stick with 50:1? Thanks
How do you paint paint your saws when I do it the paint just rubs off after a day or two after cutting
I'm wounderin that my self same problem here.
Hey man love you videos good job keep up the good work question I just bought my first Stihl chainsaw the MS 251 what do you think about it I eventually want to upgrade any suggestion! I got about a little over 1 acre to clear my backyard
I use the 250 as my climbing saw. It works great in the trees even though it’s not a pro saw like the 201t. Where the 251 has trouble is bar size. Most logs over 18” is just too much for the 251.
My 290 has been very faithful to me for years now! It is also a very affordable saw
362 and 461 will be my next purchases!!
Actually this is a 2yo comment. Tell me what your impression is on the saw?
It appeared you had the drill in second"speed" gear. Dropping down to 1st would likely provide better results, Less " Burny"
Do yuou perfer skip or full comp chains on your larger bars ie 28 and longer i have a 461 with 28 inch bar and im wanting to switch to full comp
What size bit did he use to punch a hole through the muffler?
Dewalt is notorious for smoking like that
I noticed you said you run ams oil Sabre? What ratio do you run it at?
I don't like muffler mods. I do like dual port covers like the bark box. Check them out you will like the functionality and looks. Thanks for the videos.
At 3:00 was that a squidbilly's reference?
Damn right!
Hahahahaha awesome!
What are you using to measure RPM's?
I use the easy tach plus 328..works on lots of engines
"I'm brokaaaaannnnn."
Where can I get those black covers?
Do you like the 461 or 462 better?
What do you clean your saws with?
If it’s not a brushless drill it’s a worn brush it’s fine for another few months
Hope you are doing Ok
love the 461 I have 2 sending one to the sawking
Are the American and our European versions different?
what can i do by an 038 to tune this thing a bit
people that use a drill instead of an impact driver ...SMH ...dude just get an impact driver. Good idea with the step bit. I will use that idea. Thanks !
I have a Stihl blower that the muffler screws loosen every time I use it. I clean the screws and the threaded holes in the cylinder with brake cleaner and blow them out. I used Loctite Blue. Should I try Red ?
Yeah, red if I'm not mistaken is the high temp stuff.
You just made a shit day so much better
Needs more McCulloch 😉
side note, please give us your shop playlist!!
I just have pandora going
never heard of it, looks like a nice idea
Could someone explain what is the desired effect of modifying the muffler?
Get the exhaust gasses out faster, get more air/fuel in, and I believe it actually runs cooler as well, but don't quote me on that one.
Human is correct on the saw running cooler also slight increase in power.
More noise must be better
What size bar is on the 461