When the new Mass was introduced, most felt bound by obedience including my mother. They didn't like it, but Rome had them right where they wanted them which was through ignorance and blind obedience. Had they known that 6 Protestants collaborated with Bugnini in making the new Mass there would have been an uprising for sure. Those who knew better left and found the TLM of Archbishop Lefebvre.
I was present during this awesome sermon, and is one of the most powerful and meaningful preachings that I have heard referring to the situation of the Catholic Church in front of the Novus ordo church. All glory to the Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church!!!
Good description of the first and second types. Wrong description of the third type. If perhaps some totalist expect for a miracle, most don't. That isn't true and demonstrates that Fr de Saye hasn't been around sedevacantists for a long time. On the contrary, the third group (those holding Sedevacantist pure and simple) hope that the fourth group (the materialiter/Formaliter) decide to do something about the actual situation instead of passing their time diminishing who THEY call totalists. We have been calling SEDEVACANTIST our position for over 40 years and now these nice young priests less than 40 years old want to "title" us "totalists" to justify their position. The Materialiter/Formaliter hold that: Invalid Popes can create Valid Cardinals. Sedevacantist hold that: Invalid Popes cannot create Valid Cardinals. You judge what is more logical...
@@st.filumenachurch893 I assume this is not for me because all I did was to be thankful for the preaching. But I recommend you to talk to them and present your objection face to face, is too easy to criticize from the other side of a screen. I am still part of the third group (I don’t know if futurely I will still be) but I truly consider that totalitarianism is not fulfilling many questions that should have an answer.
Possibly I mixed lines. I did respond to them "face to face" (so to speak) in a personal letter to their Superior. Thanks for letting me know that I sent the comment to the wrong person. May the Lord keep you well.
Thank you so very much ! I learned a lot from this. I have always been pro-Vigano and still is. Not too many bishops had the spine like this Archbishop.
Bring back the Latin Mass. Not because it is in Latin, but because the liturgy is transcendent in its nature. The Priest facing the Tabernacle and the Crucifix is #1. ?? Why don’t NO’s see this as obvious??
Good description of the first and second types. Wrong description of the third type. If perhaps some totalist expect for a miracle, most don't. That isn't true and demonstrates that Fr de Saye hasn't been around sedevacantists for a long time. On the contrary, the third group (those holding Sedevacantist pure and simple) hope that the fourth group (the materialiter/Formaliter) decide to do something about the actual situation instead of passing their time diminishing who THEY call totalists. We have been calling SEDEVACANTIST our position for over 40 years and now these nice young priests less than 40 years old want to "title" us "totalists" to justify their position. The Materialiter/Formaliter hold that: Invalid Popes can create Valid Cardinals. Sedevacantist hold that: Invalid Popes cannot create Valid Cardinals. You judge what is more logical...
Good description of the first and second types. Wrong description of the third type. If perhaps some totalist expect for a miracle, most don't. That isn't true and demonstrates that Fr de Saye hasn't been around sedevacantists for a long time. On the contrary, the third group (those holding Sedevacantist pure and simple) hope that the fourth group (the materialiter/Formaliter) decide to do something about the actual situation instead of passing their time diminishing who THEY call totalists. We have been calling SEDEVACANTIST our position for over 40 years and now these nice young priests less than 40 years old want to "title" us "totalists" to justify their position. The Materialiter/Formaliter hold that: Invalid Popes can create Valid Cardinals. Sedevacantist hold that: Invalid Popes cannot create Valid Cardinals. You judge what is more logical...
Yes, but... Faith is at the service of the Truth. If Bergoglio was truly Pope, the Holy Ghost would've failed. The Church would be false. God allowing an intruder to act as if he was a pope is a great mystery (given). But God allowing His Vicar to lead people to hell would be impossible. The Church (Mystical Body of Christ) may allow mysteries but cannot allow a "pope" who lead His sheep to hell.
I wish I could give this sermon 100 👍🏽! But what is the “label” given by others to describe us? For my purposes, I simply call myself “Roman Catholic.” When the non-Catholic world or novus ordo Catholic world needs to know my religion, I say I am “Traditional Catholic-(Do not accept Vatican II, will only allow priest of same opinion.)” That’s what I put down recently on a medical form. My other solution to this problem is to put the name and phone number of a particular priest. What should I do in this particular instance?
This is all well and good but what are we supposed to do when we are unable to be a part of the SSPX community due to geographical realities. There are so few SSPX Chapels the UK?? Lord help us 🙏
I enjoy your sermons, Father. 1 question. What does Feeneyism have to do with sedevacante? Don't understand how they are tied together. Thank you. God bless
What the Archbishop wrote in his statement seems correct to me...his argument solid and complete. My limited understanding is that Catholic is an adjective describing those who have the one true faith, not a noun assigned to a man made oganization. A fact that, unfortunately, those without faith are unable to understand. The Vat 2 council was not in communion with the councils of the Church, the men in white in this modern age are not in communion with the Popes of the Church. So, it is reasonable to ask, how can this be and what does this mean? Thank you Father for the information.
By embracing a business inclusive capitalism as the Vatican. They embraced a new religion. This religion is not Catholic. So my conclusion is the Pope is not Catholic! Am I wrong?
There is a solution to all this which traditional Catholics have known for decades. The consecration that Our Lady of Fatima asked for was not done specifically to her request by 4 Popes now. The wording was changed and it was not done in union with all the bishops of the world. We should have seen Russia's conversion by now with a time of peace and a complete restoration of the Church. There were reliable witnesses to these consecrations since they wanted to say with certainty that it was valid which wasn't the case. Rosaries must be more fervent for this intention.
Yup. When the new Mass was introduced, most felt bound by obedience including my mother. They didn't like it, but Rome had them right where they wanted them which was through ignorance and blind obedience. Had they known that 6 Protestants collaborated with Bugnini in making the new Mass there would have been an uprising for sure. Those who knew better left and found the TLM of Archbishop Lefebvre.
I believe St Robert Bellarmine and the prophesies if Our Lady of Salette and the messages received by members Mission of Divine mercy ..and the many 'canon layers and Theologians..proving Bergolio can't be the Pope...A. Vigano have explained clearly all the reasons...
When the new Mass was introduced, most felt bound by obedience including my mother. They didn't like it, but Rome had them right where they wanted them which was through ignorance and blind obedience. Had they known that 6 Protestants collaborated with Bugnini in making the new Mass there would have been an uprising for sure. Those who knew better left and found the TLM of Archbishop Lefebvre.
I was present during this awesome sermon, and is one of the most powerful and meaningful preachings that I have heard referring to the situation of the Catholic Church in front of the Novus ordo church. All glory to the Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church!!!
May I ask where? Be as vague as you wish if you don't want to be specific. Never mind, the chapel is linked on the channel's page.
@@loulasher Yes, there is QAS chapel and other missions around the U.S.
Good description of the first and second types. Wrong description of the third type. If perhaps some totalist expect for a miracle, most don't. That isn't true and demonstrates that Fr de Saye hasn't been around sedevacantists for a long time.
On the contrary, the third group (those holding Sedevacantist pure and simple) hope that the fourth group (the materialiter/Formaliter) decide to do something about the actual situation instead of passing their time diminishing who THEY call totalists. We have been calling SEDEVACANTIST our position for over 40 years and now these nice young priests less than 40 years old want to "title" us "totalists" to justify their position.
The Materialiter/Formaliter hold that:
Invalid Popes can create Valid Cardinals.
Sedevacantist hold that:
Invalid Popes cannot create Valid Cardinals.
You judge what is more logical...
@@st.filumenachurch893 I assume this is not for me because all I did was to be thankful for the preaching. But I recommend you to talk to them and present your objection face to face, is too easy to criticize from the other side of a screen. I am still part of the third group (I don’t know if futurely I will still be) but I truly consider that totalitarianism is not fulfilling many questions that should have an answer.
Possibly I mixed lines. I did respond to them "face to face" (so to speak) in a personal letter to their Superior. Thanks for letting me know that I sent the comment to the wrong person. May the Lord keep you well.
Thank you so very much ! I learned a lot from this. I have always been pro-Vigano and still is. Not too many bishops had the spine like this Archbishop.
Thank you this was the sermon I needed to hear.
I support Vigano.‼️‼️‼️
Bring back the Latin Mass. Not because it is in Latin, but because the liturgy is transcendent in its nature. The Priest facing the Tabernacle and the Crucifix is #1. ?? Why don’t NO’s see this as obvious??
Bravo, all glory to God! May our Holy Mother the Church be exulted
Thank you for clarifying things. It is restoring a little confidence in the church tohave that level ofmature thought & gives a measure of stability.
Good description of the first and second types. Wrong description of the third type. If perhaps some totalist expect for a miracle, most don't. That isn't true and demonstrates that Fr de Saye hasn't been around sedevacantists for a long time.
On the contrary, the third group (those holding Sedevacantist pure and simple) hope that the fourth group (the materialiter/Formaliter) decide to do something about the actual situation instead of passing their time diminishing who THEY call totalists. We have been calling SEDEVACANTIST our position for over 40 years and now these nice young priests less than 40 years old want to "title" us "totalists" to justify their position.
The Materialiter/Formaliter hold that:
Invalid Popes can create Valid Cardinals.
Sedevacantist hold that:
Invalid Popes cannot create Valid Cardinals.
You judge what is more logical...
Very clear explanation. Thank you 🙏
Good description of the first and second types. Wrong description of the third type. If perhaps some totalist expect for a miracle, most don't. That isn't true and demonstrates that Fr de Saye hasn't been around sedevacantists for a long time.
On the contrary, the third group (those holding Sedevacantist pure and simple) hope that the fourth group (the materialiter/Formaliter) decide to do something about the actual situation instead of passing their time diminishing who THEY call totalists. We have been calling SEDEVACANTIST our position for over 40 years and now these nice young priests less than 40 years old want to "title" us "totalists" to justify their position.
The Materialiter/Formaliter hold that:
Invalid Popes can create Valid Cardinals.
Sedevacantist hold that:
Invalid Popes cannot create Valid Cardinals.
You judge what is more logical...
Sedes are holding down the fort.
Thank you 🕊️
Obedience is at the service of the Faith. Faith is NOT at the service of obedience
Yes, but...
Faith is at the service of the Truth.
If Bergoglio was truly Pope, the Holy Ghost would've failed. The Church would be false.
God allowing an intruder to act as if he was a pope is a great mystery (given).
But God allowing His Vicar to lead people to hell would be impossible.
The Church (Mystical Body of Christ) may allow mysteries but cannot allow a "pope" who lead His sheep to hell.
@@nonhabemuspapamHard to argue with your logic.
I hear the SSPX mass and I have never heard them mention any negative things about any one or about Vigano. I love there mass it’s so beautiful.
It's not about the beauty of the Mass. It's about the truth of the theology.
I wish I could give this sermon 100 👍🏽! But what is the “label” given by others to describe us? For my purposes, I simply call myself “Roman Catholic.” When the non-Catholic world or novus ordo Catholic world needs to know my religion, I say I am “Traditional Catholic-(Do not accept Vatican II, will only allow priest of same opinion.)” That’s what I put down recently on a medical form. My other solution to this problem is to put the name and phone number of a particular priest.
What should I do in this particular instance?
A maior prova de que a sede está vacante ,é essa divisão entre os sedevacantistas,se tivéssemos um Papa,ele nos uniria em um só pensamento.
This is all well and good but what are we supposed to do when we are unable to be a part of the SSPX community due to geographical realities. There are so few SSPX Chapels the UK?? Lord help us 🙏
You shouldn’t be part of the SSPX.
Where are you located, Father DeSaye. I love listening to your sermons.
www.qaschapel.org/
@romancatholicmedia thank you, Father. I'm in Tampa.
Can we go to an independent priest that celebrates the pre 55 where the name of Francis is mentioned on a conditional way ?
@@haydendude Those are the so called Motu Proprio they are illicit.
@@manuelgonzalez7773 oh k the other place for me is the cmri.
Fascinating talk. I'm still not sure about the others before him, but, clearly, Bergoglio is not, and never has been, the pope.
I enjoy your sermons, Father. 1 question. What does Feeneyism have to do with sedevacante? Don't understand how they are tied together. Thank you. God bless
What the Archbishop wrote in his statement seems correct to me...his argument solid and complete. My limited understanding is that Catholic is an adjective describing those who have the one true faith, not a noun assigned to a man made oganization. A fact that, unfortunately, those without faith are unable to understand. The Vat 2 council was not in communion with the councils of the Church, the men in white in this modern age are not in communion with the Popes of the Church. So, it is reasonable to ask, how can this be and what does this mean? Thank you Father for the information.
By embracing a business inclusive capitalism as the Vatican. They embraced a new religion. This religion is not Catholic. So my conclusion is the Pope is not Catholic! Am I wrong?
The pope must be a Catholic. If the group that the papal claimant belongs to isn't Catholic, then the claimant cannot be the pope.
Wow! I’ve never had this explained to me before.
It makes perfect sense.
Is this what the SSPX and the FSSP have done, are they outside of VII?
It is the Truth! Amen, Amen+ Gratias pater+
Archbishop Vigano please.
There is a solution to all this which traditional Catholics have known for decades. The consecration that Our Lady of Fatima asked for was not done specifically to her request by 4 Popes now. The wording was changed and it was not done in union with all the bishops of the world. We should have seen Russia's conversion by now with a time of peace and a complete restoration of the Church. There were reliable witnesses to these consecrations since they wanted to say with certainty that it was valid which wasn't the case. Rosaries must be more fervent for this intention.
I am for Vigano, Borgolio has made own Jesus that leads to hell thats why he excomunicates our beloved Vigano
WHY GIVE UP THE MASS IN LATIN ITS WHAT I REMEMBER ALL MY YOUTH ....
Yup. When the new Mass was introduced, most felt bound by obedience including my mother. They didn't like it, but Rome had them right where they wanted them which was through ignorance and blind obedience. Had they known that 6 Protestants collaborated with Bugnini in making the new Mass there would have been an uprising for sure. Those who knew better left and found the TLM of Archbishop Lefebvre.
Time will tell !
I believe St Robert Bellarmine and the prophesies if Our Lady of Salette and the messages received by members Mission of Divine mercy ..and the many 'canon layers and Theologians..proving Bergolio can't be the Pope...A. Vigano have explained clearly all the reasons...
Deo gratias
The description of a cult sounds eerily like the SSPX...