@TheRealJohnHooper Philips do the 9 series TVs that have the same built in soundbar format so the Panasonic is not unique in that sense, and we have the same complaints about Philips, that they don't offer their best panel/picture without that packaged soundbar. You'd expect most people paying big money for top end TVs already have a better discreet sound setup (certainly I'm in that bracket), so it's a pure waste for that segment.
@TheRealJohnHooper One that needs upgrading in various respects, hence my interest in the new high end sets but they all come with compromises. Had the Panasonic MZ1500 come with the MLA panel I'd put up with the additional cost (vs LG/Samsung), the fact it's not Google TV, nor running the new Pentonic chip despite being released later than the other manufacturers. How about you?
Even though I became a MASSIVE Panasonic fan when I bought my JZ1500 last year. The fact that they are coming out so late and they are starting their prices where they are (see description). I don't think they will be able to compete with the LG G3 pricewise since that tv is already almost half of what the equivelant MZ2000 will cost. The Panasonic will be the better TV, but at what cost?
hi i have a question. how is the video quality of the mz 2000 77 inch (it has no mla) compared to the 77 lz 2000?... has there been any improvement?... i have to buy a 77 inch and i don't know what to do. take a 77 lg g3 or a mz 2000 77?..... very undecided
I was the same but went for the 77 Panasonic which was the best decision it’s absolutely quality sound picture and it doesn’t miss MLA it’s a great and bright picture believe me I could have got the 65 but it’s 77 for me
So no Dolby Precision Detail for the Panasonic Flagship. Sony will have the high ground here with the A95L. Everyone is talking LG vs. Samsung these days. But the more advanced battle is between Sony and Panasonic...
@@LEMON48 Go into 2 point white balance controls and try turning down low blue and compensate by lowering low green. This makes white balance similar to plasma and removes blue haze from shadows.
@@kristiangurholt59 Hmmm , this is isf pro calibrated oled and R- GAIN is -2 , G-GAIN is Max ,B-GAIN is -1 and rest 3 are for 0. So hard to say whether your way is proper.
I’ve never seen the A90J in person, but find it very strange that any setting relating to white balance is at maximum. I can only compare it to my Panasonic Oled, and while not isf calibrated, Panasonic’s are the most accurate “out of the box” of any brand - to the extent the inaccuracy that is present is imperceptible to humans. Still, I’ve not been entirely pleased with SDR, and HDR to some extent, even in Filmmaker mode, empathising with others who have described OLED picture quality in general as “LCD, but with perfect blacks”. There is a blue haze to shadowy parts of the image, that doesn’t seem to be there with the VT60 and it often looks wrong in movie scenes where there clearly isn’t any cool blue light source present. Recently I’ve been experimenting with the white balance, and have found a great improvement in the “cinematic” quality of the picture, not to mention it’s more comfortable for my eyes at night. It might not be entirely accurate, but I’m picky with image quality and genuinely believe it’s an improvement that really brings it to top plasma level, and above when you add those perfect blacks. The darker the room, the more I reduce blue and always compensate by reducing green until grey backgrounds are neither green nor red - just less blue. I also make adjustments for the high points, but these need only a few points (on a 100 point scale) to achieve what i consider to be perfect light grey and white. If you want to try it my advice is to look up a grey scale slides video, and adjust the low points at 30% grey and optionally high points at 80% grey. Keep in mind a warmer white balance can take some time getting used to when switching from a cooler one.
I can’t foresee too many problems with viewing angles on the MZ-2000. I have last years model the LZ-2000 and the viewing content from any angle is excellent.
Great video. I wish Panasonic would get back to selling these beauties to the US market because when the time comes to replace my LG C1 Panasonic OLED is the only one I would even consider.
The most important question to me is if they can push the game mode on the MZ2000 brighter than LG did with the G3. Especially Classy Tech highlighted in his video review how impressive the brightness of the G3 was in Filmmaker mode (etc.) was, but that the game mode was lacking a lot of color brightness in comparison. If Panasonic can carry the general brightness into their game mode as well that would make the MZ2000 way more appealing. Would be great if you could cover that in your review with some sort of color luminance testing in- and outside game mode or at least subjectively test ist and note your observations in the review. Thanks!
Thanks for answering in such a respectful way :) I know that this workaround exists, but it does increase latency by around one additional frame according to Classy (I guess he was talking about 60 fps so that would be around 15-20ms additional delay). Especially on a PC you don't want any additional lag when playing with mouse/keyboard and you also don't wanna have to switch picture modes each time you switch from gaming to desktop use. A premium OLED display has to work properly in its regular game mode and otherwise it deserves to get criticized for it in reviews. I definitely won't be buying it in this state and I hope they can fix it since I also like my current LG G1 and would appreciate the better user experience for gamers that they provide compared to Samsung etc. but if I had to buy a new TV now it would be the Samsung S95C which would give me peak performance at up to 144 Hz without additional input lag. Only Samsung software and QD-OLED color-fringing are keeping me from upgrading.
Did Panasonic New model MZ2000e address and fix the problem with the LZ2000e model...the bass speaker rattles and the plastic casing vibrates when volume at normal anytime a movie or moderate bass is played...❓This is not an isolated case...there are others on the website avforums documenting the exact problem...Today I was at both the store I purchased from and the Panasonic repair shop...both places told me about others with same problem and the repair shop showed me the speaker he replaced in another LZ model...😮
Just had a new LZ2000 delivered a couple of months ago and have a very bad rattle from the casing at moderate volumes! Would be good to know if there is a fix for this or whether the MZ range has rectified the problem
I've been a Panasonic buyer since year dot. This year I got rid of my Panasonic LED for a 77" G2, why not a Panasonic Oled you ask? Because they didn't produce the LZ1500 in 77", big mistake, have a Sonos set up. And this year they've put a front firing speaker on the MZ1500.....bloody crazy. Also...only 2 ports full bandwidth. Catch Panasonic for God's sake. Lastly, their new sets only just getting released.
Uh oh! Don't mess up putting Fire TV OS on them! 🤦🏻♂ Another company not saying how many backlight zones. 🤦🏻♂ Don't be deceiving! People will find out in tests so it's better to just be upfront about it.
I love Panny but i see them exiting the Tv market, they've had the same design for their flagship since 2019. Come on Panny show us some innovation for 2024
@@tshaolin971 There are a number of advantages but DYOR on that one bro. Suffice to say the new chip was released in April 2022, 8 months ahead of Panasonic's MZ2000 early-look in January 2023, and 17 months prior to the TV's release.
@@trevhib - The thing is Panasonic stated previously that the MZ was already in an advanced stage of development when the Pentonic chip was release, so could be included in this set.
@@rufdymond I heard that and dismissed it. How long are we expected to believe they take to develop an incremental TV update? They bring out 1 model a year, the chip was available early enough and they decided not to bother. In my opinion.
Question is if they are using tricks to make the difference shown here, like different dynamic tone mapping. I doubt they are being completely honest here. We all know how Samsung lies in their demos and misrepresent differences.
Been in the industry for 20 years , selling every model of panasonic, reliability has gone down since its no longer made in japan , andriod is rubbish, focus should be on lx950 and above current opperating system is good enough, i wish they didnt try and change the wheel
i've had both G3 and JZ2000 & now MZ2000... Panasonic picture quality is superior... that being said they also have some quality issues lately in manufacturing... my JZ2000 returned for subwoofer speaker problem...now just returned new MZ2000 because the top panel was slightly curved at the top and not completely attached to backing..:a small gap between the atmos speakers and panel...waiting for a replacement...I save a lot of money buying online but such a hassle for the return and replacement...buy at local store if possible, so you can just return it with receipt for refund and get another😜
imo it does not look generic, it looks bad ;).. especially if you already own a dedicated sound system you really don’t want to deal with that bulky weird looking design with a speaker sticking out of the bottom part, especially for a wallmount. This immediately removed it from my list.
@@adrill I would say it should be completely fine to wallmount it if you don’t mind a larger gap between the TV frame and a wall and the bottom speaker grill (just google some pictures of the back side to get an impression how this thing looks). The sound should be good imo as it’s the main reason of the bulky form factor, to accomodate a larger speaker array. I personally prefer a thinner looking TV as I own a dedicated sound system. But it’s good to have more options to choose from so that everyone can pick based on individual preference..
Michael is full of energy...
Why can’t they do a top end TV without fancy speakers?
Agree entirely. Last year the 1500 was almost identical in visual/panel performance to the 2000. This year the two don't even use the same panel.
Because most of us watch Cable and Sports where you don’t need Superman Hearing?
@TheRealJohnHooper what’s Metz?
@TheRealJohnHooper Philips do the 9 series TVs that have the same built in soundbar format so the Panasonic is not unique in that sense, and we have the same complaints about Philips, that they don't offer their best panel/picture without that packaged soundbar. You'd expect most people paying big money for top end TVs already have a better discreet sound setup (certainly I'm in that bracket), so it's a pure waste for that segment.
@TheRealJohnHooper One that needs upgrading in various respects, hence my interest in the new high end sets but they all come with compromises. Had the Panasonic MZ1500 come with the MLA panel I'd put up with the additional cost (vs LG/Samsung), the fact it's not Google TV, nor running the new Pentonic chip despite being released later than the other manufacturers. How about you?
How accuratte are colors when comparing plasma high end tv
Even though I became a MASSIVE Panasonic fan when I bought my JZ1500 last year. The fact that they are coming out so late and they are starting their prices where they are (see description). I don't think they will be able to compete with the LG G3 pricewise since that tv is already almost half of what the equivelant MZ2000 will cost. The Panasonic will be the better TV, but at what cost?
Uh, LG Doesn’t come near picture quality and definitely sound wise
hi
i have a question. how is the video quality of the mz 2000 77 inch (it has no mla) compared to the 77 lz 2000?... has there been any improvement?... i have to buy a 77 inch and i don't know what to do. take a 77 lg g3 or a mz 2000 77?..... very undecided
Same doubts I have... would id be better to get a G3 77 inch or MZ/LZ 2000?
Hi I have just ordered A mz2000 77” hopefully it’s as good as everyone says ,it was between the LG G3 so let’s hope it was the right decision
@@benbeard5141 let us know how it looks... I think it's gonna be great!
@@mauriziocassano
Got tv today absolutely brilliant 🤩 what a tv I was worried about it not having MLA but it’s no problem the picture is stunning
I was the same but went for the 77 Panasonic which was the best decision it’s absolutely quality sound picture and it doesn’t miss MLA it’s a great and bright picture believe me I could have got the 65 but it’s 77 for me
Want to see a flagship miniLED from Panasonic, something to compete against X95L from Sony
Then who will still buy Sony 😂
So no Dolby Precision Detail for the Panasonic Flagship. Sony will have the high ground here with the A95L. Everyone is talking LG vs. Samsung these days. But the more advanced battle is between Sony and Panasonic...
Panasonic vs LG best tv
No Sony
@@viktmit One year later I changed my mind and bought the G4 instead of the A95L 😅
@@BeatelementhePiH i bought the mz2000 over the g 4 i dont Like the matt Panel. The glossy Panel in the Panasonic is amazing
@@Uncle_Titus The G4 is glossy
Love my Panasonic VT60 plasma and JZ1000 OLED
Love my 65VT60 dark but real and only like my 83'' A90J mainly for size and 4K , not SDR 😒
@@LEMON48 Go into 2 point white balance controls and try turning down low blue and compensate by lowering low green. This makes white balance similar to plasma and removes blue haze from shadows.
@@kristiangurholt59 Hmmm , this is isf pro calibrated oled and R- GAIN is -2 , G-GAIN is Max ,B-GAIN is -1 and rest 3 are for 0. So hard to say whether your way is proper.
I’ve never seen the A90J in person, but find it very strange that any setting relating to white balance is at maximum.
I can only compare it to my Panasonic Oled, and while not isf calibrated, Panasonic’s are the most accurate “out of the box” of any brand - to the extent the inaccuracy that is present is imperceptible to humans. Still, I’ve not been entirely pleased with SDR, and HDR to some extent, even in Filmmaker mode, empathising with others who have described OLED picture quality in general as “LCD, but with perfect blacks”. There is a blue haze to shadowy parts of the image, that doesn’t seem to be there with the VT60 and it often looks wrong in movie scenes where there clearly isn’t any cool blue light source present. Recently I’ve been experimenting with the white balance, and have found a great improvement in the “cinematic” quality of the picture, not to mention it’s more comfortable for my eyes at night. It might not be entirely accurate, but I’m picky with image quality and genuinely believe it’s an improvement that really brings it to top plasma level, and above when you add those perfect blacks. The darker the room, the more I reduce blue and always compensate by reducing green until grey backgrounds are neither green nor red - just less blue. I also make adjustments for the high points, but these need only a few points (on a 100 point scale) to achieve what i consider to be perfect light grey and white.
If you want to try it my advice is to look up a grey scale slides video, and adjust the low points at 30% grey and optionally high points at 80% grey. Keep in mind a warmer white balance can take some time getting used to when switching from a cooler one.
I prefer my pioneer krp for all SDR content over my oled. The realism and colour doesn’t give me the cartoonish feeling.
I hope for an QD-OLED from Panasonic next year.
What about the green tint on the MLA panel that the G3 appears to suffer from, have Panasonic managed to dial that out?
We need to be told what the viewing angles are like, this is of the up most importance as the tv itself. Thank you
I can’t foresee too many problems with viewing angles on the MZ-2000. I have last years model the LZ-2000 and the viewing content from any angle is excellent.
Great video. I wish Panasonic would get back to selling these beauties to the US market because when the time comes to replace my LG C1 Panasonic OLED is the only one I would even consider.
The most important question to me is if they can push the game mode on the MZ2000 brighter than LG did with the G3. Especially Classy Tech highlighted in his video review how impressive the brightness of the G3 was in Filmmaker mode (etc.) was, but that the game mode was lacking a lot of color brightness in comparison. If Panasonic can carry the general brightness into their game mode as well that would make the MZ2000 way more appealing. Would be great if you could cover that in your review with some sort of color luminance testing in- and outside game mode or at least subjectively test ist and note your observations in the review. Thanks!
I game in cinema mode with game optimizer menu allm on. Is great. People are so dumb
Thanks for answering in such a respectful way :)
I know that this workaround exists, but it does increase latency by around one additional frame according to Classy (I guess he was talking about 60 fps so that would be around 15-20ms additional delay). Especially on a PC you don't want any additional lag when playing with mouse/keyboard and you also don't wanna have to switch picture modes each time you switch from gaming to desktop use. A premium OLED display has to work properly in its regular game mode and otherwise it deserves to get criticized for it in reviews. I definitely won't be buying it in this state and I hope they can fix it since I also like my current LG G1 and would appreciate the better user experience for gamers that they provide compared to Samsung etc. but if I had to buy a new TV now it would be the Samsung S95C which would give me peak performance at up to 144 Hz without additional input lag. Only Samsung software and QD-OLED color-fringing are keeping me from upgrading.
He talking shit. Lg g3 so smooth. Best tv of 2023
@@janduller4722on which TV and system you game on? What about the input lag? Do you use PC mode on HDMI?
Good picture on the Lg g3 That’s about it for me lol don’t even talk about the stupid very cheap remote,Panasonic all day long class 😊
Well done Michael!
I wanna se what philips does with mla
Did Panasonic New model MZ2000e address and fix the problem with the LZ2000e model...the bass speaker rattles and the plastic casing vibrates when volume at normal anytime a movie or moderate bass is played...❓This is not an isolated case...there are others on the website avforums documenting the exact problem...Today I was at both the store I purchased from and the Panasonic repair shop...both places told me about others with same problem and the repair shop showed me the speaker he replaced in another LZ model...😮
Just had a new LZ2000 delivered a couple of months ago and have a very bad rattle from the casing at moderate volumes! Would be good to know if there is a fix for this or whether the MZ range has rectified the problem
I've been a Panasonic buyer since year dot. This year I got rid of my Panasonic LED for a 77" G2, why not a Panasonic Oled you ask? Because they didn't produce the LZ1500 in 77", big mistake, have a Sonos set up. And this year they've put a front firing speaker on the MZ1500.....bloody crazy. Also...only 2 ports full bandwidth. Catch Panasonic for God's sake. Lastly, their new sets only just getting released.
damn a Panasonic video on 4th of July
English know how to rub it into the Americans!!!!!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Move out to UK
@elTigre877 yes it is so bad we are all homeless. Idiot
Uh oh! Don't mess up putting Fire TV OS on them! 🤦🏻♂
Another company not saying how many backlight zones. 🤦🏻♂ Don't be deceiving! People will find out in tests so it's better to just be upfront about it.
I love Panny but i see them exiting the Tv market, they've had the same design for their flagship since 2019. Come on Panny show us some innovation for 2024
DTS support??? DTS passthrough? Anyone who knows?
No and No 🤷♂️
Reflections is bad, you can see everything in your room 😂
And a late 2023 release date but still no Pentonic chip.
What’s the big deal with a Pentonic chip ?
@@tshaolin971 There are a number of advantages but DYOR on that one bro. Suffice to say the new chip was released in April 2022, 8 months ahead of Panasonic's MZ2000 early-look in January 2023, and 17 months prior to the TV's release.
@@trevhib - The thing is Panasonic stated previously that the MZ was already in an advanced stage of development when the Pentonic chip was release, so could be included in this set.
@@rufdymond I heard that and dismissed it. How long are we expected to believe they take to develop an incremental TV update? They bring out 1 model a year, the chip was available early enough and they decided not to bother. In my opinion.
What a pity....i want a 77" TV
Me again, The LG G2 is absolutely incredible. But with confidence 👍
Question is if they are using tricks to make the difference shown here, like different dynamic tone mapping. I doubt they are being completely honest here. We all know how Samsung lies in their demos and misrepresent differences.
Been in the industry for 20 years , selling every model of panasonic, reliability has gone down since its no longer made in japan , andriod is rubbish, focus should be on lx950 and above current opperating system is good enough, i wish they didnt try and change the wheel
Since when its not made in japan?
@@LazerB. Since most of there models come out of the Malaysia factorys, I think around 2016
hate the round stand why Panasonic why
i've had both G3 and JZ2000 & now MZ2000... Panasonic picture quality is superior... that being said they also have some quality issues lately in manufacturing... my JZ2000 returned for subwoofer speaker problem...now just returned new MZ2000 because the top panel was slightly curved at the top and not completely attached to backing..:a small gap between the atmos speakers and panel...waiting for a replacement...I save a lot of money buying online but such a hassle for the return and replacement...buy at local store if possible, so you can just return it with receipt for refund and get another😜
So basically to differentiate the 1500 they made it better by improving the sound system and therefore making it even more similar to the 2000 🤣
The 1500 does not have MLA. So the difference between the two models just got much bigger.
samsung s95c 77 is better than panasonic ml 2000 77 inch.?🙋🇱🇹🇺🇦🇨🇰🇱🇷🇬🇧
Panasonic is better
samsung still has a problem with curved panels ((( and after the update, the image deteriorates 😔
Maybe for a few months lol burnin or other issues unfortunately will occur on that SS model
Hell no; and its not even close. Closest to MZ2000 is A95L.
Too bad MZ2000 looks generic in terms of design...
imo it does not look generic, it looks bad ;).. especially if you already own a dedicated sound system you really don’t want to deal with that bulky weird looking design with a speaker sticking out of the bottom part, especially for a wallmount. This immediately removed it from my list.
@@marekgrundel my point exactly. And I couldn’t agree with you more. That sound grill looks hideous and it removes easily from my wish list.
@@marekgrundel Maybe I wanted to take the mz2000 and hang it on the wall, you think that makes the audio system completely obsolete?
@@adrill I would say it should be completely fine to wallmount it if you don’t mind a larger gap between the TV frame and a wall and the bottom speaker grill (just google some pictures of the back side to get an impression how this thing looks). The sound should be good imo as it’s the main reason of the bulky form factor, to accomodate a larger speaker array. I personally prefer a thinner looking TV as I own a dedicated sound system. But it’s good to have more options to choose from so that everyone can pick based on individual preference..
@@marekgrundel OK... I’m in an apartment not very well sounding, I think it’s not advisable to have a real sound bar you think?