Richard Rohr - The Universal Christ - Part 1 (The Liturgists Podcast)
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- Richard Rohr - The Universal Christ (Part 1)
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Hillary McBride, William Matthews, Science Mike, and Michael Gungor talk with Richard Rohr about The Universal Christ--Fr. Rohr’s latest book.
Thank God for Richard Rohr!
He has helped many of my (Fearful) catholic friends understand the true meaning.
You know the "truth" when you hear it!
You will not find Peace until you have removed the nails from the hands of God's Son, and taken the last thorn from His forehead. The Love of God surrounds His Son whom the god of crucifixion condems.
Teach not that I died in vain. Teach rather that I did not die by demonstrating that I live in You.
Fear hurts and Love heals ♥️
He speaks Truth and is speaking from his knowledge of God! He’s taught me a lot and been the catalyst for redemption in my life.
I listened to this and it have read the book as well as other books by Richard. And this Podcast brought me a new breakthrough. I am a former Albuquerque, San Francisco, Philadelphia, St. Paul-Minneapolis inner city Chaplain and Pastor. Thank you again.
It is amazing to me, brought up a South Africa Baptist, to discover what I had begun to think as a teen, I found in a Catholic Friar.
To discover in John Benn, Brian McLaren, and now in Richard Rohr - what I believed!
I wasn't a heretic, I wasn't person with dangerous ideas.
For me, Richard is Jesus. All of us Jesus followers, are being gradually transformed into His likeness.
I’m a Protestant, and I love Richard Rohr.
ChocolateJewels you should check out Maria von France she could blow the socks off
Colin George Jenkins Thanks for the reference. As LONG TIME follower of C G Jung I cant believe that I have not heard of Franz before. Excite to explore!
Wonderful
That's because Rohr is a protestant
That makes perfect sense because Rohr is also a heretic
Thank you. So Encouraging and challenging
She drew a circle that cut me out, but Love and I had the will to win so we drew a bigger circle that took her in !
I came to Christianity as an 18 year old. Here in England and the United Reformed church as a child, I didn’t have the conservative crxp as a child tied up with Nationalism as it is in America.
Jesus teaches us how to be human
This is the trajectory we are on.
Fr. Rohr is the only Catholic who will speak to Protestants on their level. As a former Boomer Catholic with much affection for the Catholic Church, I find Fr. Rohr unique and refreshing.
what is a boomer catholic lol
@@AcceleratingUniverse ...someone raised a Catholic in the late 50's to 1960's.
No, Rohr's not. Check out Christopher West. Still orthodox in his teachings and charitable toward Protestants.
@@PsychoBible ....will check him out. Charitability of Catholics to Prots is rare.
I would like to hear Richard discuss the tradition of fasting in the Franciscan tradition
wow mind blowing , 🙏🏻thank you
Heard his book through Howard Storm, just started reading, good so far.
Prior Richard is really Orthodox in his Theology ☦️☦️☦️
WE MUST ALL REALIZE THE KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS WITHIN
Thats in the bible sure...smh
Great Talk thank you.
I love this video! Thanks so much for sharing... It definitely has been an inspiration for my own videos. Especially the Universal Christ.
Starts at 2:52
Most seem satisfied with how shallow much of Christianity has stopped at. It's so simple for some. Some are hungry for something more. Christianity is not just a "happy meal". There is more if you dig deeper. Richard Rohr has looked hard at the more. Some many of the simplistic thinking are threatened by the deeper. This is happening in large numbers today. Careful deep questioning is frightening to their simplistic thinking and beliefs. FEAR motivates their fanaticism.
"He performeth that, which was given me to do."
I just found out about you and I am enjoying listening to you and I am so trying to sort this out. ❤
What?
One voice!
Sir Richard, I have read your content related to Enneagram and Falling Upward. I think you are an phenomenal thinker and Godly man and I truly admire you. But with all due respect, if Jesus ( Yeshua ) is just an concept, all religion goes to Heaven, why did He bother to come down to earth from heaven, die and get resurrected, and command us to make disciples for Him?
Brother, many are traveling back tword the chapel of
many colors. We have seen the dark and light.
we see his face in stone and tree , sky and sea.
We are scattered and turning to the path home.
Please help us see the meaning of the
profession of faith. I think that would be a light. k
This is a great taking of Father Matthew Fox! FR. Rohr should give credit where it’s due. Fox is a Dominican and uses Aquinas to get to the same place. It’s not just a Franciscan charisma.
Παν (bread in Spanish), is all in Greek and Lord in Polish
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ENFP here
What does CAC stand for?
Centre for action and contemplation I think. Rr says and is the most important word
Genesis I = Christ is the Alpha and Omega!
Needs more Logos. Read some E Michael Jones
It's been a long day, and I'm pretty sure I don't have enough time to say this any other way than in a manner that might sound flip. My apologies. I've caught parts of the series before sleep, and waking up in the night...once when the panentheism thing yanked me right out of my snoozing (my unconscious did that, as I have an interest in the subject). Before going to work. While taking a bath after work. So I might have missed where the assumption was discussed that the Word ("Jesus" on Earth) made it to all points across the universe where he (or she) was needed? Maybe it's the kind of thing better intimated indirectly? And in this series/book Richard's done that? Personally, a number of times prior I've had the heretical thought that the Word had to give pretty much the same message on more than one planet at the same time.
I wrote a song for Richard Rohr it will be on my new release coming out in December:
Are you a Gnostic or a Christian or a priest of the politically woke?
Have you discovered something modern that appeases your soul?
Have you found a way around the way to Heaven with an effortless path?
An idle gate forever open to the dubious mass?
You’ve discovered just another one of history‘s heretical rites
A revelation from a mystical prevarication
An illusional confusion fragmentation of political plight
Lead astray and betrayed by the angel of light.
Does your deadly user friendly fidget spinner creed line up with the truth
Or does it come from a theology created by you?
Intuition the ignition burning fire to fame
Disemboweling solid doctrine for the insight you claim.
Finding your truth in social and political sway
Places your salvation in the God you create.
Faith of least resistance
The path is wide and easy and many tread
Faith of least resistance
Fountain of destructive theology.
Look for truth look for love look for life
Don’t give in don’t burn out don’t give up
Faith of least resistance open your eyes
Exactly so! Richard is peddling the antithesis of what the bible says and deceiving many. We don’t become Christ, we are hidden IN Him. We know Him personally and by that I mean His grace, forgiveness and total redemption. Richard preached a self made redemption, which I can understand why, as Catholicism is essentially about earning your place in Heaven by good works - so not such a huge leap for him as a Catholic.
Excellent wordsmithery!
@@jenniebugs1 Hmm, "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live"....
Awful...dont give up your day job.
Who was cgjung
Colin George Jenkins Carl Gustav Jung, a psychologist. Very prominent.
Rusty Writer I was replying to Colin George Jenkins, who asked the question I answered. And Jung was German or Austrian, whose native language was German. The “J” in German is pronounced like a “Y” in English, as in “yes.” As in, “Ja, ich bin ein Berliner.” I took German in high school and fulfilled my foreign language competency requirement in college in German.
@@susangrande8142 Swiss, he was Swiss ;)
GOOGLE IT, come on!!!
Fox got there 30+ years ago!
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If you have Jesus wrong, you’re wrong about God. There is only one way, not many, to the Father.
You must feel so lucky and blessed to just have it all figured out lol
@@christieknep1795 It’s God that has revealed that his Bible (Genesis to Revelation those 66 books or so) are all from him, authenticate, completely true, and authoritative and we as Christians don’t each have everything figured out - but there’s one blessing of a gift from God and that is that we know that he knows all the truth and he has revealed his good will in the pages of the Bible.
"only christians are good enough for good" yeah not a good take
Why is the interviewer speaking as if she were having sex ?
Comment 3 of 3
This video arose on my TH-cam window. After listening to it, I noted some VERY PROBLEMATIC THEOLOGICAL OPINIONS of this Catholic priest. My comments are in brackets. By the way, there's a lot here and it's actually quite shocking, especially by the end of this podcast. If you are a disciple of Fr. Rohr's, you may well disagree with my remarks. So be it. If you are a traditional Catholic, you may well agree - I would hope for theological reasons than sentiments for them however attractive that motive can be. My reference is traditional Catholicism as presented in the Catholic Catechism - @t. Draw your own conclusions as you may.
35:45: Many students left Christianity, because it was not a school of love. [Baptised Christians can leave Christianity out of their own self-love or selfishness, infidelity, indifference, etc. If God is love and His love is communicated through His Word, Scripture, sacramental grace, and cultivated through fidelity to God, then love is already abundantly present. Hence, this priest's premise is faulty. He may be well intended from an emotional and humanistic view and naturally appeal to like-minded people.]
34:20 Fr. Rohr concludes through correlation that church-going people who are fear-based will lack charity in terms of civil rights, kindness, love, caring, and service. [How he would even generalise about how the faithful practice charity, especially in terms of the fourteen types of charity based in scripture (See the spiritual and corporal works of mercy.) remains a mystery. This appears to be quite dangerously mistaken.]
35:00: [Fr. Rohr evidently justifies the dismissal of fear and it may be one of his personally fundamental beliefs that shapes his own theology which has consequences on his dismissal of the aspect of the holy fear of God. He assumes that it's problematic and, in turn, concludes the same. He then dismisses such holy virtues as obedience and loyalty as if these virtues don't manifest love. How would it be if one spouse is tempted to commit adultery, but out of obedience, loyalty, and fear of God and fear of hurting his spouse overcomes the temptation? Would that not be love, not an emotional love, but a superior love of fidelity. Perhaps this priest is focused transient human emotions.]
38:15: There's no distinction between the natural and supernatural except in the mind. [What is pantheism? | Catholic Answers
www.catholic.com/qa/what-is-pantheism Pantheism is the belief that God is everything and everything is God. Some versions of pantheism aren’t quite this crude, but all tend to be monistic-seeing reality, both God and his creation, as essentially one thing. Some pantheists say we’re all part of God, since we’re all part of the universe which is God.]
40:00: God's great work: to forgive reality of imperfections. When God forgives, He would rather have a relationship than be right. [This is a humanistic idiom based upon conflating God's nature and desire to retain all souls in the state of grace as compared to His desire to be morally correct. This is false, because God Who is perfect love and truth cannot contradict Himself. In fact, if being morally truthful was irrelevant, there would be not need for reconciling and sustaining a relationship with mortals. This priest's logic is quite fatally flawed. Lord have mercy. Notably, this unsound reasoning, nonetheless, fits well with this priest's apparent avoidance, if not dismissal of morality. To consider how he has misled many souls ... oh have mercy, Lord. Has the world not enough sin already and coming from a priest ....]
40:35: He says that God includes imperfection which is God being "inclusive". [This is wrong again. God is perfect. He forbears moral imperfections, but ultimately all imperfections must be reconciled by the sacred blood and death of the crucified Jesus Christ on the Cross. Moreover, for those who remain unrepentant and do not confess their sins, they cannot be reconciled to God and, as a result, God cannot but exclude them from Heaven and while on earth they live outside of His grace. God cannot forgive unrepented sin. He respects the free will of selfishly disposed creatures even as it was with the rebellious angels who became devils.]
[Notably, the term "inclusive" is often used contemporarily to justify and excuse accepting immorality, especially homosexuality and those who commit such sins. Importantly, be sure to distinguish between the sin and the sinner, especially those who resist this sin and those who virtuously resist acting upon this disordered inclination as it is for any immoral inclination.]
40:52: We cannot ... decide what is sacred and what is profane .... The Gospel takes away that right. [On the contrary, the Gospel orders all people to obey what God knows is moral and to avoid all that is immoral. Moreover, He further commands us to instruct the morally ignorant and to correct the morally offensive. From all that this priest has said, I personally cannot place any confidence in him as a credible teacher of Christianity, because of his deeply seated radical opposition and contradiction of Christian fundamentals as taught by the Catholic Church as authorised by Christ and revealed in Scripture and consistently taught century after century. He then continues to explain the origin to assign the basis of morality to human ego and those aspiring to power. What complete non-sense!]
Drawing from Fr. Rohr's opinions, I conclude that his teachings pose a serious moral danger to Christians. While many may thankfully not have been misled by his erroneous opinions, he evidently still contributes to the current trend of avoiding morality as an essential means that God provides for instructing Christians and all souls as the way to relate to God. Here I note that in addition to the 10 Commandments, Christians are called to love their neighbours through practical forms of charity, most crucially forgiving and forbearing sinners.
Importantly, my conclusion is not intended to summarise all of the Christian essentials, because the scope of my composition limit me to focus on Fr. Rohr's teachings. In closing, I charitably, earnestly, and respectfully appeal to Fr. Rohr to return and humbly submit to the teaching of the Catholic Church as taught by the catechism. Time is precious. Eternity is forever. May God bless you with a spirit of repentance.
Thanks for the comment. I've been trying to find more Catholic responses to Rohr. We're starting to see Evangelicals push back, but conservative Catholic media seems a bit too quiet on him.
Welcome to the "saved" club. If the uncreated Creator of the universe is not any bigger than that, then the God we have created is too big for our own good. Richard Rohr has kept my own faith alive, so there we are, on opposite sides again. Oh well.
@MM22272 Reward and punishment system is not a school of Love. Have you read The Universal Christ?
@@valeriecousens9174 Sounds like you're at variance with the catechism and scripture regarding rewards and punishments. Sorry, I can't help you there other than to pray for you.
If the so-called Universal Christ theology is some emanation of this priest, I would have extremely high reservations about it, because he has discredited himself in so many ways. Obviously, he needs prayers as well. Blessings upon everyone!
@@MM22272 did you listen to the end of part 1? humans have decided they can decide what is right and wrong. There it is .
The intrusive incidental music is annoying and unnecessary , what’s wrong with just the human voice without distracting sounds at least to my Autistic hugely sensitive senses.
I haven't found God in any religion!
AH S John 3:16.
New Age repackaged. Again. How unique. 😬
"God loves the hecking transgenders!"
Yeah no thanks lmao
Rohr's understanding of Christ, the Eucharist, Hell, and the Church is very weird. Anyone who has studied Teihard De Chadin (Jesuit) and Joachim of Flore (Franciscan), will understand the Heresy being repackaged and celebrated by Fr. Rohr. He just downloaded these men's Heresy and giving it to people of our time. I pity those who are charmed by such mysticism and watering down of truths just to bend to the world's desire.
Where some see Heresy, others see Love. Richard Rohr’s writing and voice are gifts to anyone who is looking for a path toward Love.
,@@michaelgerrish4365 I am responding to the distortion of the basic truth Christianity in his pursuit for love. You don't need such heresy to get to love. Nice has been the goal. Love of neighbor with the love of God as perfectly revealed in Jesus who is the eternal Word of God. Cosmic Christ reduces Jesus as a product of nature rather than the author of nature. Rohr denies the incarnation, salvation through Christ even though he knows the church teaches salvation for those who don't know Christ but lived a moral life. Rohr denies the sacraments, the church as a community of believers united in Christ. But then he has his own movement and followers but still rages against organized religion. Isn't he as a TH-camr one who has an organized religion with him as the only priest? He hijacked the Franciscan spirituality and ripped off the core beliefs of St Francis. The list continues.
An atheist still can reach love. The difference is that Rohr still has God tag and cosmic Christ tag on his in order to flesh it out and ground it on the absolute.
Rohr does not preach, teach or suggest what you claim. May you find peace on the journey.
@Ian they made reference to his work and not all his works and claims.
Every believer is a heretic to some other believer. Rare that anyone sees himself as a heretic.
Apparent wisdom but far from wise x