I actually liked the tone you dialed in with the RI the best. They're dialed in pretty differently though, I'm sure they could get closer if you wanted.
I just got the re-issue and I’m having a blast with it. It’s been years since I had a Mark amplifier so I’m having fun tweaking it and also have a puppet master EQ for the loop coming soon. I think they did a great job.
Fantastic work. I have a mark lll red stripe. The diffrent is not that big. The older marks sounded always best to me. But at the end it don’t matter. Play what makes you happy 🤟🏻greetings from Germany
Right on. Is everyone remembering to use their EMG’s? Makes tons of difference. I haven’t been paying attention to the hype of the vids. I got the OG. Solid playing man
@@TIGHTENmetal interesting, was it the frequency range and tightness? Or something else entirely? I sort of had the same experience when I A/B ed the VII and found it was closer to my HG than DRG
@@J96Jacob The character of the bottom end and the mid hump are pretty 60-like. As the power sections go up they tend to get more naturally scooped with the extra power pushing the ass. I tend to prefer the 60s to the triode Simuls though, so that's a good thing.
Thanks for this!!!!!! my take after hearing it with headphones: - RI sounds good, it has the character and tone. No doubt about it. Mid hump in the 750-ish is there, but it might be also due to the fact that the GEQ faders are not the same of the OG. Or might be due to modern OT. I have a SRGX and HRGX, pentode gives you a bit more of hump, but in the mid to low mid section , not like the RI here, IMHO. - ....however when you turned on the OG and IIB I could instantly recognize that character that I'm used to, and that I can find in all my OGs, (SGX, HRGX, DGX): more raw, more sparkle in the upper mids, more aggression, more alive so to speak. so the RI sounds good and no doubt is great, but compared to the OG, IIB and III+ RI sounds like it has a blanket on the speaker. Same as comparing a polished Friedman vs an old untamed Marshall. Did you try to give the RI more presence? did it help?
Have you tried a Runt 50? Other than his Plex50, I think that the Runt is the most raw and unpolished marshall Dave makes. I liked it better than the BE50 LOL. Like just gimme the runt and a drive pedal and I'm good.
In hindsight I should have ramped up the presence on the RI but I forgot. That may have helped. Despite the mid hump, which isn't that bad compared to a JP, the RI to me doesn't have the same "blanket" thing as most IIIs (not this one) do. It was still super pleasing & easy on the ears, clear with no fatigue.
Fantastic job with the comparison. For my perspective, there’s a distinct mid tone shift with reissue what seems to be very common among recent audio clips. I own a seven and a JP do you think it’s overly redundant to add the re issue ?
First blush as an OG II/III guy, I like the RI WAY more than the JP and the VII. I will give the JP a nod for live work, and I'll give the VII the nod for bedroom work, but I'd take the RI any day for what I'm looking for.
Maybe the best comparison so far. To me the the RI doesn't sound as full - warm and ballsy as the rest of the amps, which sound amazing by the way... I know that the video might not do justice but again in my opinion it's easy to tell which one is the RI. If I had to pick a favorite, I'd go with the OG - IIB. The green stripe would probably make the perfect thrash amp in my book
That III+ just dominates here IMO. Just pissed and well balanced with bite. There’s a vintage flavor in the mids with the IIC+ RI which is neither good or bad - personal preference. I’d still take the III+ over the RI or the OG.
Great video, Jeremy! I've noticed that the III was darker than the IIC+ OG. Is it because of the III's nature that it has more low mids and low ends than the IIC+ such that they are more pronounced, or is it because of the cab's position towards the mics? Are the amps set to the same settings or to match the tone? ETA: correction for OG instead of RI.
That's just how they were dialed, not really in reality. The III is a little more dry than the II, but still within the World of Marks. The knobs were set the same at first then I made some tweaks for the room, but I was going more for "killer tone" than "make them as close as possible".
@@TIGHTENmetal I see. Thanks. Sorry, just for my understanding, which one was a little more dry than the other again? You mentioned the III for both cases.
IMO the IIIs are a little more dry & aggressive, while still being organic & 3D. I like them for their own reasons. I think the RI will still nail the IIC+ sound & feel where a III doesn't.
Does the RI have any of the iic+ bounce? ….im so worried that the IiC RI will be stiff and synthetic…. ….my III, and IV feel great. My V is lifeless, except for the rhythm channel; which is full of the great feels and bounce while chugging. I doubt I will be able to play test the RI, so I’m running blind.
My blue stripe III has the mojo over my , IV, V and Triaxis. I would love to try the OG as I can’t imagine a better mark amp then the III blue stripe. Triaxis has some of its own magic but really compressed and not open like the 3.
Thanks From Japan. I always refer to your videos. I also bought the original in September this year, so I wanted to hear the difference between the reissue and the original. The reissue has a bit of a hard sound. I play the IIC + original with Marshall 1960B 4 x G12-65, so I prefer a softer sound with less treble.
My favorite was the 2b coli and have to agree best rythm amp made by mesa , the reissue sounds good but i would take a iii or any og over it the transformers and cronstruction are just better...
Yeah, I have some opinions here. For my 7 string in std tuning, it kills with all of them except the IIB- and I LOVE my IIB. For my 6 string that's downtuned to D std. I'd say it works equally well with all of them, however the modern Marks I do think have the advantage as tunings go down. With the vintage marks I do think they sound BEST in E or Eb.
This sounds like the reissue had less volume hitting the power amp than the og im sure they would be closer with more adjusting the reissue. It just sounds quiet and has that weak feeling like when either my lead master or master 1 is down. Or the reissue has less 80hz at the same slider position and needs to be higher to match maybe. Also maybe needs more presence to match og.
I am assuming that each amp is going through the cab that it is sitting on. Given that the cabs are all oriented slightly differently, and placed at slightly different spots in the room, the camera mic will pick up different reflections and the source. The OG IIC+ still sounds mean and aggressive. I don´t think the RI can really compete in that regard. Not to mention the fact that they discourage high gain use because of the whole microphonics issue. How can OG pull off high gain with 40 year old technology, while reissue is struggling this bad, is beyond me.
first! hate to say it ,but the OG is still the champ ,iii+ close second(i too dont care for the boxy mids even though yes they are better in a band setup im sure)
Honestly unless you were A/Bing I don't think you would notice the extra mids in the RI. It's there, but not as prominent as with the JP2C where they're really hard to get away from. (Which I also have a seperate vid covering this.)
I‘ve never had iic+ but on my thought, according to my ears, the RI should be tweaked with higher Gain and Presence than OG. Also maybe scooping 750 slider can make them sound more similar. Just my opinion. Nice amp though. I should buy one later.
And the iic+ on this video, is it HRG? Sounds awesome! By the way, what's the closest amp to iic+ you think? Mark iii red, JP2C, Mark iic+ reissue, Mesa preamps?
Why does the reissue sound so muffled compared to the OG ? Plus it has no sizzle. Sounds dead lol The OG is brighter with that sizzle ... plus big low end
The guitar player is great, but for a more honest test it would be nice to put microphones close to the cab as you always do. Anyway good job! It's pretty clear from the video that the OG has more low end oomph, and it's more cutting. I don't like the midrange on the reissue, I don't feel the scoop at all, and it sounds a bit thinner than the rest.
Unfortunately I didn't have a chance to reamp, however @El Dorado Guitars did a fantastic job so I think this aspect is covered. th-cam.com/video/DafYApLC93s/w-d-xo.html
@@TIGHTENmetal Enjoyed every second of this video, can't complain, it was just my little note. It was not entirely correct to talk about the difference in the midrange in my first comment; it could have been caused by another cab being middier. Was surprised to see frontline205 here, I watched his video one of the first with C+ reissue and I liked it too. I didn't know he's a friend of yours.
@@Touch2Much Thats my conclusion also but there are other clips that sound the same and its a little frustrating no knowing exactly why, could just be the settings, more presence maybe. th-cam.com/users/shortsD_cU-NLO-iA?si=JRP7bCw48YTW36N-
That’s why I prefer modeler with FRFR. Real amps are just so directional. Tweak something to perfection, walk a few steps suddenly it sound like pinched mosquito 😅
@ it’s what you say, it’s something and it’s not really good. But in this case no one could make the difference… so why do it….? It’s not that hard to make something good that we can show and share to people. In this case it’s not a good example about the difference in sound. That’s what I tried to say
The mark III ‘s to me were better amps even back in the day and I have them all. Green stripe red stripe black dot and they just all around had better tone. All very close but I’m a 3 fan from back in the day.
I actually liked the tone you dialed in with the RI the best. They're dialed in pretty differently though, I'm sure they could get closer if you wanted.
I love how even with a camera mic, you can still hear the ear-pushing sound on headphones.
That guy shreds.
Thanks
I just got the re-issue and I’m having a blast with it. It’s been years since I had a Mark amplifier so I’m having fun tweaking it and also have a puppet master EQ for the loop coming soon. I think they did a great job.
PMEQ is amazing you're going to dig it, makes any amp sound better!
@ I may have to try it on my VH4 and VHX! I keep hearing so many good things about it. I’m psyched.
Great riffing frontline 💪💪💪
Thanks man
Now that's a lot of Marks. Nice playing too.
The player's name was also Mark!
Sounds great. The RI sounds just fine
I don’t care which sounds best. I’m sad I wasn’t invited to this party
Thanks for your dedication to these amps!
…that IIb was jaw dropping. Holy ripper.
Best tight rhythm amp Mesa ever made!
Makes me appreciate my III greenstripe
Great amp. I have a purple stripe.
Those mark iii’s are nice
The RI sounds good, but man that OG IIC+ is a totally different beast
They are the same 😂😂
Markale, im with you, the III is killer!
frontlines a fucking badass
Thanks man
Fantastic work. I have a mark lll red stripe. The diffrent is not that big. The older marks sounded always best to me.
But at the end it don’t matter. Play what makes you happy 🤟🏻greetings from Germany
Right on. Is everyone remembering to use their EMG’s? Makes tons of difference. I haven’t been paying attention to the hype of the vids. I got the OG. Solid playing man
Sure you do
I'm glad I picked up a green stripe III for a deal! It's pulling it's weight here for sure.
This would have been fun!! All amps sound fantastic it must be said.
Damn the OG iic+ sounded best to me. It sounded more open and alive to my ears.
same here
Could be vintage tubes in the OG ? Mike Soldano says today’s tubes suck compared to what was available in the 80’s
@@Ontariosound The OG has Tube Store Preferred Series 6L6GC-STR. The IIB & RI have JJ / STR445. That said it really doesn't matter on the mic.
@@TIGHTENmetal If the speaker was close-miked with an SM57 or an MD421 the differences would have been more apparent. Sounds great though
@@Ontariosound Unfotunately I didn't have time to reamp, fortunately @El Dorado Guitars did a killer reamp demo so he covered that base!
Kinda want one. Was it your favorite amp in the room? Thanks for the CDs, broham.
@@rottingcorpse6002 I liked the III+ best followed by the IIB but they were all super close in the room
Sure thing man! Yeah they are all so good, we're down to my keepers, so...
Wow I wasn't expecting such a big difference between the RI and the OG to be honest.
Keep in mind the RI is simul, pretty sure that OG was his coli, so that’s kinda the normal difference with an HRG VS DRG
@@J96Jacob In hindsight the RI really reminds me of an OG SRG. That would be a close test.
@@TIGHTENmetal interesting, was it the frequency range and tightness? Or something else entirely? I sort of had the same experience when I A/B ed the VII and found it was closer to my HG than DRG
@@J96Jacob The character of the bottom end and the mid hump are pretty 60-like. As the power sections go up they tend to get more naturally scooped with the extra power pushing the ass. I tend to prefer the 60s to the triode Simuls though, so that's a good thing.
I was. You can’t reproduce an amp 40 years later without the exact same components. They don’t have them anymore. Just a money grab from Gibson.
I would be interested to hear all the amps played through the same cab. ✔️
exactly !!!!
The 2001 cabs the OG and the RI are on are damn near identical in sound. Speakers are only a couple weeks apart.
Cool video
OG all day.
Thanks for this!!!!!!
my take after hearing it with headphones:
- RI sounds good, it has the character and tone. No doubt about it.
Mid hump in the 750-ish is there, but it might be also due to the fact that the GEQ faders are not the same of the OG.
Or might be due to modern OT.
I have a SRGX and HRGX, pentode gives you a bit more of hump, but in the mid to low mid section , not like the RI here, IMHO.
- ....however when you turned on the OG and IIB I could instantly recognize that character that I'm used to, and that I can find in all my OGs, (SGX, HRGX, DGX):
more raw, more sparkle in the upper mids, more aggression, more alive so to speak.
so the RI sounds good and no doubt is great, but compared to the OG, IIB and III+ RI sounds like it has a blanket on the speaker.
Same as comparing a polished Friedman vs an old untamed Marshall.
Did you try to give the RI more presence? did it help?
Have you tried a Runt 50? Other than his Plex50, I think that the Runt is the most raw and unpolished marshall Dave makes. I liked it better than the BE50 LOL. Like just gimme the runt and a drive pedal and I'm good.
@FastRedPonyCar nope. I have a BE 100 DLX and it understand what you mean :-)
In hindsight I should have ramped up the presence on the RI but I forgot. That may have helped.
Despite the mid hump, which isn't that bad compared to a JP, the RI to me doesn't have the same "blanket" thing as most IIIs (not this one) do. It was still super pleasing & easy on the ears, clear with no fatigue.
OG for the win.
Fantastic job with the comparison. For my perspective, there’s a distinct mid tone shift with reissue what seems to be very common among recent audio clips. I own a seven and a JP do you think it’s overly redundant to add the re issue ?
First blush as an OG II/III guy, I like the RI WAY more than the JP and the VII. I will give the JP a nod for live work, and I'll give the VII the nod for bedroom work, but I'd take the RI any day for what I'm looking for.
Maybe the best comparison so far. To me the the RI doesn't sound as full - warm and ballsy as the rest of the amps, which sound amazing by the way... I know that the video might not do justice but again in my opinion it's easy to tell which one is the RI. If I had to pick a favorite, I'd go with the OG - IIB. The green stripe would probably make the perfect thrash amp in my book
It was super close in the room
Of course it doesn’t sound as full, the ogs volume was put way louder lol
@@tony2tone1985 Not true, I kept them all relatively close. Condenser mics set their own levels.
That III+ just dominates here IMO. Just pissed and well balanced with bite. There’s a vintage flavor in the mids with the IIC+ RI which is neither good or bad - personal preference. I’d still take the III+ over the RI or the OG.
Yeah, the III+ has become my go-to gig amp.
I thought so too I really liked that iii+ tone
Great video, Jeremy! I've noticed that the III was darker than the IIC+ OG. Is it because of the III's nature that it has more low mids and low ends than the IIC+ such that they are more pronounced, or is it because of the cab's position towards the mics? Are the amps set to the same settings or to match the tone?
ETA: correction for OG instead of RI.
That's just how they were dialed, not really in reality. The III is a little more dry than the II, but still within the World of Marks. The knobs were set the same at first then I made some tweaks for the room, but I was going more for "killer tone" than "make them as close as possible".
@@TIGHTENmetal I see. Thanks. Sorry, just for my understanding, which one was a little more dry than the other again? You mentioned the III for both cases.
@@Farhadhp1 Oops, edited. :) The III is a little more dry than the IIs.
How do you think the reissue would compare with a stock Mark 3? Like a red stripe.
IMO the IIIs are a little more dry & aggressive, while still being organic & 3D. I like them for their own reasons. I think the RI will still nail the IIC+ sound & feel where a III doesn't.
Is that JMR?!
Does the RI have any of the iic+ bounce? ….im so worried that the IiC RI will be stiff and synthetic…. ….my III, and IV feel great. My V is lifeless, except for the rhythm channel; which is full of the great feels and bounce while chugging. I doubt I will be able to play test the RI, so I’m running blind.
See this thread for my in-depth thoughts. :)
www.rig-talk.com/forum/threads/frontline205-gjgo-test-the-iic-reissue-against-the-og.324278/
@ 🤘😎👍
My blue stripe III has the mojo over my , IV, V and Triaxis. I would love to try the OG as I can’t imagine a better mark amp then the III blue stripe. Triaxis has some of its own magic but really compressed and not open like the 3.
@@Greg-ht2uv IIs and IIIs are all super open and 3D. IIIs are a bit more dry and aggressive than IIs though.
Thanks From Japan. I always refer to your videos. I also bought the original in September this year, so I wanted to hear the difference between the reissue and the original. The reissue has a bit of a hard sound. I play the IIC + original with Marshall 1960B 4 x G12-65, so I prefer a softer sound with less treble.
The RI is a bit tighter. That said, they all have knobs & sliders!
Also, the G12T-65s are a great choice for a softer sound.
III+ Green in pentode?
Yes.
Rocky George is that you?
II B sounded the best
My favorite was the 2b coli and have to agree best rythm amp made by mesa , the reissue sounds good but i would take a iii or any og over it the transformers and cronstruction are just better...
I really think any mark amp from the iib and after sounds the best with downtuned guitars
Yeah, I have some opinions here. For my 7 string in std tuning, it kills with all of them except the IIB- and I LOVE my IIB. For my 6 string that's downtuned to D std. I'd say it works equally well with all of them, however the modern Marks I do think have the advantage as tunings go down. With the vintage marks I do think they sound BEST in E or Eb.
This sounds like the reissue had less volume hitting the power amp than the og im sure they would be closer with more adjusting the reissue. It just sounds quiet and has that weak feeling like when either my lead master or master 1 is down. Or the reissue has less 80hz at the same slider position and needs to be higher to match maybe. Also maybe needs more presence to match og.
In hindsight the RI could have used more presence.
I am assuming that each amp is going through the cab that it is sitting on. Given that the cabs are all oriented slightly differently, and placed at slightly different spots in the room, the camera mic will pick up different reflections and the source.
The OG IIC+ still sounds mean and aggressive. I don´t think the RI can really compete in that regard. Not to mention the fact that they discourage high gain use because of the whole microphonics issue. How can OG pull off high gain with 40 year old technology, while reissue is struggling this bad, is beyond me.
I'd suggest reading the thread I posted the link to in the description.
RI sounds just like the OG
Sure 😂
first! hate to say it ,but the OG is still the champ ,iii+ close second(i too dont care for the boxy mids even though yes they are better in a band setup im sure)
Honestly unless you were A/Bing I don't think you would notice the extra mids in the RI. It's there, but not as prominent as with the JP2C where they're really hard to get away from. (Which I also have a seperate vid covering this.)
@@TIGHTENmetalwill you do IR, OG compare demo with mic cabinet?
@@kaish8184 Sorry, I don't do IRs.
@@TIGHTENmetal sorry i wrote wrong! I just want to ask that will you do a comparasion with Reissue and OG with mic’d cabinet
@@kaish8184 Unfortunatley we didn't have time for that. @El Dorado Guitars did a great A/B close mic comparo, go check his demo out.
I‘ve never had iic+ but on my thought, according to my ears, the RI should be tweaked with higher Gain and Presence than OG. Also maybe scooping 750 slider can make them sound more similar. Just my opinion. Nice amp though. I should buy one later.
And the iic+ on this video, is it HRG? Sounds awesome! By the way, what's the closest amp to iic+ you think? Mark iii red, JP2C, Mark iic+ reissue, Mesa preamps?
Why does the reissue sound so muffled compared to the OG ? Plus it has no sizzle. Sounds dead lol
The OG is brighter with that sizzle ... plus big low end
I think the RI is a tad warmer- which isn't a bad thing in the room. I think the RI mids sit better a well, or are at least more forgiving.
The guitar player is great, but for a more honest test it would be nice to put microphones close to the cab as you always do. Anyway good job!
It's pretty clear from the video that the OG has more low end oomph, and it's more cutting.
I don't like the midrange on the reissue, I don't feel the scoop at all, and it sounds a bit thinner than the rest.
Unfortunately I didn't have a chance to reamp, however @El Dorado Guitars did a fantastic job so I think this aspect is covered.
th-cam.com/video/DafYApLC93s/w-d-xo.html
@TIGHTENmetal It's sad, I would like to see a close mic'd comparison. The amps weren't connected to the same cab, hard to make my final opinion.
@@fedrek01 That's because there is no wrong answer with these amps. They all kill.
@@TIGHTENmetal Enjoyed every second of this video, can't complain, it was just my little note. It was not entirely correct to talk about the difference in the midrange in my first comment; it could have been caused by another cab being middier. Was surprised to see frontline205 here, I watched his video one of the first with C+ reissue and I liked it too. I didn't know he's a friend of yours.
JP2c+ is only 60 bucks more..
And it has 4000 components in it so repair is a nightmare.
The JP is a great amp, but a IIC+ it is not. Depends on what your goals are.
they have never quite nailed the tone of the og.
This is by far the best of the amps who have tried.
OG sounded way better in this video. You can’t beat those old components that they don’t make anymore
Honestly the RI doesnt sound anywhere close based on this video
Had to be there, I guess. The RI is a win IMO.
Wouldn't that just be the cab angle? Where was the mic placed?
@@shaneclemensbased on the video I would say a room mic, potentially the phone with which this video was made.
@@Touch2Much Thats my conclusion also but there are other clips that sound the same and its a little frustrating no knowing exactly why, could just be the settings, more presence maybe.
th-cam.com/users/shortsD_cU-NLO-iA?si=JRP7bCw48YTW36N-
That’s why I prefer modeler with FRFR. Real amps are just so directional. Tweak something to perfection, walk a few steps suddenly it sound like pinched mosquito 😅
Thanks for the video.
The reissue is a flop.
May as well Go back to the mark v
I disagree on both points, if the C+ experience is what you're looking for..
Why do all these sound so bad?
Playing in a concrete garage with no sound treatment. Not sure how the setup is mic’d but seems like in room vs close mic’d.
@Van020280 Why do you think they sound bad.
Guess these amps just aren’t for you then lol
If you don't like this kind of demo, there are plenty of great Dinesh demos out there you may enjoy!
….. pfffffff you could have a kemper here, what a boring video
kemper, is that a drink or something?
@ it’s what you say, it’s something and it’s not really good. But in this case no one could make the difference… so why do it….? It’s not that hard to make something good that we can show and share to people. In this case it’s not a good example about the difference in sound. That’s what I tried to say
The mark III ‘s to me were better amps even back in the day and I have them all. Green stripe red stripe black dot and they just all around had better tone. All very close but I’m a 3 fan from back in the day.
which one do you like best ?