You completely glanced over Pac-Man. True, he doesn't have specials that cancel in the traditional way you showcased. But thanks to the influence of the hydrant's water...Pac-Man can ledge cancel ANYTHING on the ground. The instant the water slides you off the ledge, you're free to do anything. This will cancel *ALL* lag and cooldown on the ground. Including smashes, his laggy grab, throws...WITCH TIME'S SLOWDOWN. I'm not even joking here. The only thing that won't cancel is when you're charging Bonus Fruit. This applies to *every* character, just a heads up. It's a technique that's deep and useful enough to make an entire video about.
4:37 Here you can see a couple of wild Marios in their natural habitat taking part in their not very widely known mating ritual which consists of descending to their deaths in order to reproduce successfully. Tragically beautiful.
As a melee player it's really great to see sm4sh's meta develop more and more. I am really hopeful for this game and hope it sees a much longer life than what brawl had unfortunately. ^-^
It's possible to sometimes edge cancel the hitstun you receive from a move depending on the angle your sent. If you land on an edge (or land but slide off one), you'll immediately be able to jump out of it or any action for this matter.
Zss can ledge cancel Neutral B, however you have to backwards B Reverse it. It generally only works on smashville because the platforms moves, which will give you enough momentum to cancel.
You can edge cancel (kinda) little macs jab into his ko punch if you are jabbing an opponent near the edge. The rapid jab pushes Mac backward, and when he gets close enough, you can ko punch instantly
I'm not certain that this is a totally different topic. But in smash 4, the majority of multi-hit grounded attacks (mainly jabs), push you backwards, and yes, right of any ledge. Obviously implemented to help get rid of wall combos, this opens up a brand new kind of ledge canceling. Let me tell you that certain chars like G&W and Mac can get tons of mileage of this since they can get a confirm into a OHKO.
I'm not sure if you'll count this, but PKT for Ness and Lucas can both be edge canceled. If you angle it to where you would faceplant into the ground, but also at an angle enough to hit the ledge, you won't fall flat on your face, but off the edge and able to do whatever.
When you try to buffer a c-stick aerial out of a ledge cancel, you will always get neutral air. You have to wait until the character leaves the ground to input the aerial in order to get the correct aerial.
Sonic can sort of do this too. If you side or down b, the moment you roll off the ledge you lose your momentum much like the rest of these cancels. Not sure if it is the same tech though.
Captain Falcons falcon kick can do it too, and it's great to do it from platform to platform on battlefield, you can even get an edge grab if you do it correctly
One of the best is Farore's Wind. On Battlefield, you can go platform to platform and then hit your opponent at any time they don't expect. Sure, it'll stale, but it KOs above 80% I think, even when fully stale.
Noticed something incorrect. "Aerials in this game cannot be cancelled." However, there is an exception to this. Peach's back air CAN be cancelled on the ledge. If you try running off the stage and inputting a bair, you can cancel it with specific timing if you input it right before you fall off the ledge.
You can also edge cancel the tumble animation. It comes in handy sometimes. If you guys have a hard time doing it let me know I'll upload a video for you.
One can also edge cancel the (water)-jump of Corrin's Side-B. You simply side b from a certain distance (~f-Tilt distance) to the ledge and perform f.e a Dragon Lunge back to the stage. Not sure if it's viable in battle...
You can edge cancel your tumble, and a tech as well. Happened to me many times. Edit: It may be very situational though, and after edge canceling tumble you are put into normal fall state. Also to my knowledge you can only edge cancel a tech in place.
Well, he is a top player and is paid enough for it to be his PROfession, so i would disagree. And regardless he is still really good at platform canceling quick attacks
Link and Toon Link's arrows as well as any Zair will also edge cancel. And yes, Zairs do have some landing lag (Link's has 8 frames of landing lag). Still not that useful but hey.
The ending pretty much proves Mario can glide without the wing cap! Also I know you mentioned it working in all iterations but have you checked the 3ds version as well?
Maybe you didn't want to include custom moves since the begging, but as a "custom" brawler main, maybe you forgot about down B 2 edge cancel (which also comboes into helicopter kick, so it's hella useful)
Greninja can cancel Side B on BF platforms as well, either that or the nature of the move makes him slide off in a jank way. Seems hard to get though, only had it happen accidentally very few times.
I wonder if some special moves that normally can't be edge canceled can be when wavebounced due to the momentum boost. Or is it hardcoded into each move whether they can edge cancel? Also, R.I.P. Tel-Edge-Port Canceling. If only it was not a death sentence for messing them up, it could make Zelda, Palutena, and Mewtwo more mobile (as if Mewtwo needed more mobility lol). :/ Maybe it will be mastered by top players in 20XX. I can dream...
+Der Trissel Miis are actually not banned in Europe (except for France) and these guys are all European. Mii Fighters can be Guest with any moves over there. Running into a Mii is very much a possibility over there with players like Yikarur and Narayan
Today, I used Falco's Up-B, and it lag-cancelled, but I don't know what I did to do that! By the way, Falco's jab is kinda an Edge Cancelling, while jabbing an other character! ^^
you can ledge candel charizards neutral air. I promise, I'm not a random scrub. look into this, it's not very easy but it's possible and really awesome to pull off
You missed Zss's paralyzer. unsure if you can do it facing forwards as I am always edge slipping backwards for pressuring a pursuing opponent IIRC her side be should be able to do it backwards as well I.E wave bounce side b's.
Ike: Quick Draw edge cancel bair stage spike. If they tech, Aether Spike (most troll move in the game; by rhe way, MVG|Ryo did it to 2 opponents at once at 0%)!
Omg those teleporting ledge cancels have some serious mind game potential
Palutena
Mewtwo
Zelda
+Ethan Schmidt Watch AeroLink play Palutena. He abuses the shit out of Edge Cancelled teleports and it's crazy fun to watch.
+Ethan Schmidt OH, you don't even know how true that is, xD
Thanks for linking my Flare Blitz cancel video! :D
Hi
How do edge cancel the Zard walk
Hey introspective! Love your videos
Omg intro and bsd in one vid? Wtaf
You completely glanced over Pac-Man.
True, he doesn't have specials that cancel in the traditional way you showcased. But thanks to the influence of the hydrant's water...Pac-Man can ledge cancel ANYTHING on the ground. The instant the water slides you off the ledge, you're free to do anything.
This will cancel *ALL* lag and cooldown on the ground. Including smashes, his laggy grab, throws...WITCH TIME'S SLOWDOWN. I'm not even joking here. The only thing that won't cancel is when you're charging Bonus Fruit.
This applies to *every* character, just a heads up. It's a technique that's deep and useful enough to make an entire video about.
Oh. Hi.
+Fawfuls Minion A video dedicated to Pac-man? One can only dream '
You know all of the Pac-Man tech, Logan.
4:37 Here you can see a couple of wild Marios in their natural habitat taking part in their not very widely known mating ritual which consists of descending to their deaths in order to reproduce successfully. Tragically beautiful.
Charizard can also do it: th-cam.com/video/JoXLMTglwwk/w-d-xo.html
bowser jr can ledge cancel with his nuetral specail but doesnt have any really good applications though out of it, still testing it.
+nmto ! that is true, it does the same function as ganondorf's side b
ya and if you master it you might be able to have a bigger range of options off the ledge with bowser jr.
you forgot luigi missile!!
You guys might have been told that wii fit trainer can do it also with her side B.
oh my gosh the end had me dying LOL
I was like, WHAAAAAT DDUUUUUUUHHHHHH....!???!!!!
Hey Ninkendo nice to see you here.
Everybody's Super Mario flying! Gotta keep your feet right off the ground!!
Ninkendo CAN YOU PLAY SONIC FOR ONCE I AM A SONIC MAIN!
Do it for the fans bro i dont spam spindash i spam up air
4:35 shout out to Mario 64s endless stairs
the mind games tho
I wanna see Beefy teach us how to BLJ back up the stairs in smash
4:40 I warned you about stairs, bro! I told you dog! IT KEEPS HAPPENING
Did you know about all of them?
Yes. I had all of them on a poster on my wall.
+Imperial Conterial lol
+Imperial Conterial can u give me a copy?
I knew none
All except dk and peach
The thumbnail on this video is amazing! The colour on the text "Cancelling" looks so good
That MegaMan one is clearly such a game changer. Smash will never be the same again. :P
why you always lyin
That ending is every For Glory Mario's dream.
Damn Beefy, back at it again with the advanced tech
As a melee player it's really great to see sm4sh's meta develop more and more. I am really hopeful for this game and hope it sees a much longer life than what brawl had unfortunately. ^-^
Sometimes I like to stick my mouth right on the water fountain and let it pour directly in my mouth
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+Imperial Conterial people post the most random stuff nowadays. gg
You should let the water reach your mouth instead
Bowser jr's up b is also forward only
+Jesus Ramos yeah right! we forgot to add it to the vid :/
I wish Sheik could ledge-cancel Up-B. Well, at least we got Vanish Glide.
The end.... Was so satisfying
You guys always put the most amazing clips at the end of your videos! 😂
Perfect timing. Was just looking for a video about this! Thanks!
i love the reward for watching the video till the end xD that mario tho
I'm not sure why that last clip is there, but I'm glad it is.
YES! Thank you for acknowledging Pit and Dark Pit's edgecancel. Not alot of people know about it.
That ending part was basically the typical for glory Mario training regiment.
Ledge cancelling Feint Jump with Mii Brawler is the most entertaining thing ever, and it's very useful too.
+Dapuffster I always forget where to start the feint jump on battle field to get it tho, lol
I always felt it came naturally. Though, cancelling the first part of feint jump requires much more specific timing than the second one.
The second is hard to plan in clutches for me XD
It's possible to sometimes edge cancel the hitstun you receive from a move depending on the angle your sent. If you land on an edge (or land but slide off one), you'll immediately be able to jump out of it or any action for this matter.
Zss can ledge cancel Neutral B, however you have to backwards B Reverse it. It generally only works on smashville because the platforms moves, which will give you enough momentum to cancel.
Also for any other marth mains like myself. You can cancel air dodge reliably on battlefield if you jump from ledge and hold toward the stage
Same with lucina too
+R3_XDDD thanks actually
Mii brawler down b 2 is missing. The ledge cancels possible with that move are amazing..
Brawler doesn't count
+Kpst_ninja why not?
+Kpst_ninja They've talked about the Miis' other specials before. inb4 "Miis aren't real characters"
+Protom Was about to say that too. Edge Cancelling with it is so great, it's pretty much Mii Brawler's greatest move.
I love u guys. Please never stop making videos.
You can edge cancel (kinda) little macs jab into his ko punch if you are jabbing an opponent near the edge. The rapid jab pushes Mac backward, and when he gets close enough, you can ko punch instantly
I'm not certain that this is a totally different topic. But in smash 4, the majority of multi-hit grounded attacks (mainly jabs), push you backwards, and yes, right of any ledge. Obviously implemented to help get rid of wall combos, this opens up a brand new kind of ledge canceling. Let me tell you that certain chars like G&W and Mac can get tons of mileage of this since they can get a confirm into a OHKO.
I love how your videos are in 1080P 👍🏼
I'm not sure if you'll count this, but PKT for Ness and Lucas can both be edge canceled. If you angle it to where you would faceplant into the ground, but also at an angle enough to hit the ledge, you won't fall flat on your face, but off the edge and able to do whatever.
Zairs can be edge cancelled too!
When you try to buffer a c-stick aerial out of a ledge cancel, you will always get neutral air. You have to wait until the character leaves the ground to input the aerial in order to get the correct aerial.
You can also edge cancel the tumble animation. It comes in handy sometimes.
Sonic also has a neutral B edge cancel that I encounter at random times
Nice job as always.
Sonic can sort of do this too. If you side or down b, the moment you roll off the ledge you lose your momentum much like the rest of these cancels. Not sure if it is the same tech though.
When BSD uploads a video
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Captain Falcons falcon kick can do it too, and it's great to do it from platform to platform on battlefield, you can even get an edge grab if you do it correctly
One of the best is Farore's Wind. On Battlefield, you can go platform to platform and then hit your opponent at any time they don't expect. Sure, it'll stale, but it KOs above 80% I think, even when fully stale.
This is also useful for ledge trumping, btw. Especially for teleporting characters.
Ike's quick draw ledge cancels, it's very useful when recovering onto a platform.
I love you beefy smash dudes!
Lol had to say it
Noticed something incorrect. "Aerials in this game cannot be cancelled." However, there is an exception to this. Peach's back air CAN be cancelled on the ledge. If you try running off the stage and inputting a bair, you can cancel it with specific timing if you input it right before you fall off the ledge.
You can also edge cancel the tumble animation. It comes in handy sometimes. If you guys have a hard time doing it let me know I'll upload a video for you.
Oh I see Luigi does retain lag when he just slides off that ledge now that I think of it thanks
The dumb clip at the end of videos is always hilarious.
One can also edge cancel the (water)-jump of Corrin's Side-B. You simply side b from a certain distance (~f-Tilt distance) to the ledge and perform f.e a Dragon Lunge back to the stage. Not sure if it's viable in battle...
You missed one... At a certain angle Ness can PK Thunder into the ledge and cancel it too. It's very very hard to pull of but its there.
Edge canceling has a whole new meaning nowadays
Corrin's side-B jump also benefits of edge cancelling ^^ it wasn't specified in the vid
You can edge cancel your tumble, and a tech as well. Happened to me many times.
Edit: It may be very situational though, and after edge canceling tumble you are put into normal fall state. Also to my knowledge you can only edge cancel a tech in place.
You missed Mii Brawler's down special 2, the feint jump, it can ledge cancel really easily and is probably one of the best movement tools in the game
(Dark) Pit can also cancel a grounded SideB. The spacing is just really tight.
Edge cancels, the thing I thought was only necessary with pikachu, i was slightly wrong it seems! I like the needle cancel with sheik!
When you see pros like abadongo or esam ledge cancel on battlefield it always looks so cool
"Pro" and "Esam" does not go in the same sentence except if it's "Esam is not a pro." or sarcasm.
what?
+Teddy Bears United same
Jeffrey Clancy Basically, Esam is not a pro. XD
Well, he is a top player and is paid enough for it to be his PROfession, so i would disagree.
And regardless he is still really good at platform canceling quick attacks
@Beefy Smash Doods Can you guys do a video explaining how Abadango uses Mewtwo's nair to set up a disable?
he footstools the person and then uses disable to cancel the double jump
Link and Toon Link's arrows as well as any Zair will also edge cancel. And yes, Zairs do have some landing lag (Link's has 8 frames of landing lag). Still not that useful but hey.
Dorf players like Vermanubis and RayKalm often catch players offguard with an edge-cancelled Wizard's Foot(down b).
0:20
That's some DBZ shit right there
You can also edge cancel z-airs and WAY more specials
The ending pretty much proves Mario can glide without the wing cap!
Also I know you mentioned it working in all iterations but have you checked the 3ds version as well?
Can you make a video on how to self-stick snake's c4? Seeing as it requires some meticulous edge canceling
Charisard side b also edge cancels, but only if you hit your opponent
Cool vid bro
Maybe you didn't want to include custom moves since the begging, but as a "custom" brawler main, maybe you forgot about down B 2 edge cancel (which also comboes into helicopter kick, so it's hella useful)
Greninja can cancel Side B on BF platforms as well, either that or the nature of the move makes him slide off in a jank way. Seems hard to get though, only had it happen accidentally very few times.
I think Luigi's and Pikachu's SideB can also be edge cancelled.
+VanCan23 Not pikachu's side b as far as I've tested.
nope
and with the air Dodge ledge cancel, lucario can psuedo edge cancel his aura sphere charge.
beefy smash doods>>>> My smash corner
Please don't compare the 2 channels. we can all agree on the fact that they are both great.
Idk, they're both really good
+Mr. SaturnX I wish people wouldn't compare Smash 4 and melee too.
MSC is more about characters' techniques than techniques on themselves, so please don't post this again because it is just false.
The teleporting ones look so cool though.
never realized how much I edge canelled
R.I.P. Falco's/Fox's old forward-b.
Ike quick draw (side b) does this as well. Ryo executes it quite often
Tip on 3ds if you want to practice
At the beginning of a match on
Battlefield with bowser jr
buffer an up b and Hold right
and you will edge cancel
You should have showed charge cancels like robin's neutral b airdodge cancelled, it becomes interesting when you mix in b reverses and wavebounces
What about zairs? I think they have something similar don't they?
+DeadeyezRy I've tested, and they can be ledge canceled.
They can, but they hardly have any lag, so it’s irrelevant
with wave bouncing, I've been able to edge cancel zss neutral special. unless that's not an edge cancel and I'm just sliding off with less end lag.
I wonder when the people on For Glory will try to do this to show off, then SD. That will be hilarious.
I'm pretty sure I've ledge cancelled Ness's pk Thunder 2 close to the end of the move.
diddy's b reverses after those would make realy good mixups, and confuse your opponent
I wonder if some special moves that normally can't be edge canceled can be when wavebounced due to the momentum boost. Or is it hardcoded into each move whether they can edge cancel? Also, R.I.P. Tel-Edge-Port Canceling. If only it was not a death sentence for messing them up, it could make Zelda, Palutena, and Mewtwo more mobile (as if Mewtwo needed more mobility lol). :/ Maybe it will be mastered by top players in 20XX. I can dream...
Brawler's Down-Special 2 can be ledge cancelled as well.
But it's a custom Move.
+Der Trissel But BSD has featured the Miis' alternate specials before. Odd that they left them out this time.
+Der Trissel Like, they specifically talked about how to DI Brawler's Up-Special 2
+ヘSawtoothヘ Yeah but maybe they just wanted to explain the normal moves of the characters. Miis are banned at tournament as well, so yeah.
+Der Trissel Miis are actually not banned in Europe (except for France) and these guys are all European. Mii Fighters can be Guest with any moves over there. Running into a Mii is very much a possibility over there with players like Yikarur and Narayan
Today, I used Falco's Up-B, and it lag-cancelled, but I don't know what I did to do that!
By the way, Falco's jab is kinda an Edge Cancelling, while jabbing an other character! ^^
Now I can buff my corn plays
I figured bayonetta after burner kick could do it unless that has no lag I'm not sure
you can ledge candel charizards neutral air. I promise, I'm not a random scrub. look into this, it's not very easy but it's possible and really awesome to pull off
Neat! I'll have to try this out.
I think you missed 1 with sonic, his neutural b edge cancels when he misses and ends with landing lag
Everytime I get hit and land on the edge of a platform it cancels the landing lag almost instantly while letting me fall below and do an air attack
You missed Zss's paralyzer. unsure if you can do it facing forwards as I am always edge slipping backwards for pressuring a pursuing opponent
IIRC her side be should be able to do it backwards as well I.E wave bounce side b's.
Ike: Quick Draw edge cancel bair stage spike. If they tech, Aether Spike (most troll move in the game; by rhe way, MVG|Ryo did it to 2 opponents at once at 0%)!
Pittoo's the only character to TRULY have an EDGE cancel, if only Shadow were playable so that there were 2
I've heard of Yoshi's Up-Special being cancellable, and being useful to do it.
+SS4Inferno Not anymore, they patched that... Was a hard day for the Yoshi community.
-Risuno
Beefy Smash Doods As a Yoshi main I am now sad
It leads into gg combos in spike kudos to you ive been labbing it! So excited to see more yoshi mains
Egg*
Yeah But it's so hard to pull off and requires a commit. I need some sort of training regiment
More like edge Edging
Just an important thing to note, and something that I found incredibly useful since I main Samus, all zairs in the game can be ledge canceled.
pacmans side b if you bounce on the ground to an edge the bounce will be canceled i sometimes like doing this cancel with the hydrant