"do what you want when you want without any restrictions. this must sound like heaven to 8s" I've never heard anything more accurate. you are very right, sir.
@@mrs.fowlerfamilyfarm7636 Only when you're not actually right and simply are delusional. When you're right and stay close the the truth, enforcing your will is nothing evil. We live in a world full of simple weak idiots and natural born slaves. Majority of people lack the fire to change it, be the fire that leads, be the change. I'm myself an ENTJ-A 8w7 and I prefer to stay aside, but sometimes I just can't help myself and go full revolutionary, it usualy changes everything, but at the same time, brings good with the said change, however brutal my methods can be. I've broken many people that naturally hated my guts after it, but admitted that I was right and thanked me years after it.
I laughed when you said that 8's would rather eat dirt than ask for help and appear vulnerable! It is sooo true! On little stuff, not so much, but if it is something big, or if I am in a very vulnerable place, it pains me big time to asked for assistance. Independence is so important. If you have been controlled in the past, like in your family or your marriage, it makes you want to experience that even less. I became much stronger and independent after a bad marriage, where all he wanted to do was control me!
It occurred to me during that portion of the discussion that often I don’t even know how to identify WHAT would be helpful (when I aim to genuinely respond to an offer for assistance). Certain circumstances have helped me understand when I need to pull others in to use THEIR gifts to help me... but in areas of weakness like that (where I don’t even know what assistance I actually need) I’ve learned to temper myself and ask: “From your outside observation, what did you have in mind?... because I’M actually not sure!”
It’s so unhealthy😂 my college class started 2 weeks ago and I hadn’t asked for the course ID code to access the school work cuz I thought I knew what the code was and I lagged to access it because of not wanting to ask for help and i thought I was already late to asking for help and I hate being late to doing things and... it was never ending until I just said “f it” and asked lmao cuz why does it matter who cares just ask, ladies and gentlemen‼️ THIS WAS TODAY but we good now I’m getting everything done🤘🏽
I think it depends on how developed and healthy the 8 is. I think an unhealthy or underdeveloped 8 is afraid to ask for help, a more developed 8 is not.
@@jwest9155 I disagree with that statement. We are just an independent bunch. We prefer to handle most things on our own. Only when it becomes too much for us, will we seek the help from others. I think that I am a pretty developed ENTJ. I am a senior and have done alot of work on myself. But I still have trouble admitting that I cannot do it all by self. Dont like to feel weak or depend on others. Dont need alot of emotional support. But sometimes I have to admit that i cannot do it all!
8w7 here. My friend said, “I never thought of you as impulsive, you always have a plan for everything.” I do! These plans are quickly developed after I’ve already committed to something that seems impossible and convinced everyone else to join in…
hahhahaha adding "auto rebellion" to my vocabulary now. ENFP 8w7 here!!! oh man..the part about wanting a lot of money, it's very true. people think i want to be incredibly rich, but it's not like that for me - it's about having freedom and doing whatever I want without worrying about money.
Same over here! I'm entp 8w7 and I just want freedom to explore life, sadly we humans in the 21st century are limited by working for money to survive. So therefore we want to solve that problem of money and become "rich".
I'm a 6/5 with a five-year-old 8/7 granddaughter. When I have her over, I let her organize our day. She is a delight, but a force. We laugh alot and it is not stop action. when she leaves, I literally have to lay down for 2 hours to recover. Haha!
Dr. Tom LaHue six of our 9 kids are still at home so they each have a night to clean the kitchen.... I put up a chart so it’s not ME telling them to do it and I let my 8w9 daughter pick her night first and then the 8w7. I just gave my 9w1 son what was left after his siblings picked... lol I knew he wouldn’t complain. 2w3 daughter picked hers based on her work schedule. Even just a reminder to the 18 year old gets a “Yeah, I KNOW mom!!!” and then I just make myself scarce because that is NOT the child to micromanage... which is my tendency. I’m not sure what my little guys are yet but I think my 10 year old may be headed down a 1 path like me and I see some major 8 hints in the 6 year old. But that could also just be 6 year old boy, too. I love my daughters but sons are less drama. Harder to keep alive, but less drama.
I am a strong Female 8 with a 7 wing, based on your description. I am a small petite woman, 5"0, but inside my head, I am 5'8"! I very much relate to what you say in this video except the angry part. Protector, yes. Other people might classified me as angry, since I am very outspoken, and i don't back down from a challenge. I hate stupid rules or people trying to control me. And I will be vocal about it. With maturity, I have learned when to speak up and when to keep my mouth shut. And also have become more sensitive to what others are experiencing in my presence. I used to be oblivious to that! I will defend the weak and those that cant stand up for themselves. I like direct communication, please get to the point! Please answer my question, and not what you think I am asking!! Great video.
Thought I was a 9 for years, but just this evening realised I'm an 8w9. Was a leader when I was a kid but grew up in a turbulent family, where I wasn't allowed to express any sort of anger so I just went into the 9 wing. Recently started to get happier, out of a looong depression and I'm starting to see myself acting out more of that 8 and even 7 at times, which I think is great. The future is going to be interesting ;))
Same here, but mine is an entire turbulent society that is still following gender stereotypes. Took me years to realize I'm an 8 girl, not a crazy girl, lol!
The "two sides" hits home for me as an 8w9; didn't realize I was 8 until I started working professionally. I had thought I was 9w8 with a lot of 7 energy, then was surprised to find out that I was the assertive one in the meetings 😂.
Shreyansh Singh oh sweetheart! Yes, you can succeed. You have creativity that ENTJ never knows. I built a technology business with an intp. The only reason inlostvso much money wws because he and i had a fight and he ended up with the $250 million!! My mistake was that i did not get good lawyers and accountants to advise me at an early age... i thought i would be fine. I thought i was too clever. Learn from me that you can do anything you want to, but the greatest success requires other people who have skills that you dont (people who are "boring") these boring people are critical to your success. 😃 ask me anything you like 😁
I am an 8w7 and this is completely true. I work a full time job, and also have a small business and teach exercise classes. I am married to a 5 and we go so well together because we make things happen constantly. We have fantastic arguments, I am super competitive and have pulled back this aspect to cheer on my friends for their accomplishments. I love to push others to expand their thinking and limits.... I LOVE seeing them grow. And I feel the “I don’t want to ask for help” so much. Asking for any sort of help is worse than anything.
This video touches me in a way I never expected. You described my history as if you knew me. I am in shock that you hit nearly all of my 8w7 traits that I assumed were unique. To know that there are others so similar to my way of thinking is a seriously life-changing realization for me!
Honestly, this is quite eye-opening. I struggle with blame in the heat of the moment. Even if it isn't outwardly voiced, in my mind I charge someone with the mistake I believe they caused. The more I learn, the easier it will be to improve myself and break bad habits. Excellent video!
I'm a 9w1 woman married to an 8w9 man. Love hearing this perspective and learning to understand how his mind works. We definately have an interesting dynamic going on. Awesome work 🙂
Spot on video! I’m an 8w7. My job is to defend those who are powerless but hate those who do not take action in their lives. I believe I am in control of my destiny. I hate, hate being manipulated.
I worked with an abusive and manipulative boss. I often was the person to stand up to him, but that didn't take long for him to remove me. I still hear stories of what he does there. Sometimes, I kick myself because now there is no one there to protect the friendly coworkers there, but I realize that is not an environment I could have functioned in any longer. It also frustrates me because my best friend still works there and just continues to take the abuse and low pay. I keep telling him there is no benefit to staying there, be he persists despite everything.
I feel like God was speaking directly through you to me during this entire video. Even the places where you hesitated, it was like you were getting the download and listened where to stop and where not to say more. Sooo good!!
8w7 here ! Very much so! I find 8 are being misunderstood and ‘characterized’ most time - like a big arm angry man ... which I’m not so it took me a lot of time to find my type ! Thank you for that video
I felt like all my business was out in the streets after listening to this video. Really helped me to understand myself more. I just realized I need to stop offering my advice and support for free and I need to start charging people. Folks have not appreciated my gifts and strengths and instead of embracing them they say I'm too much. There's a market for people who want to be encouraged by doers.
It also depends on age. I've seen where my traits were counterproductive in my life and have changed some things. Mostly, I've learned to shut up and not suck all the air in the room. And I let others talk and challenge in a less confrontational way. Basically, I let people have more dignity at the end of the day.
I’ve seen this happen in my father, too. He’s a 8w7 (so/sp instinct) and has a big personality. He used to be really confrontational but now he listens more and helps me and others figure out how to express myself more. This all happened over time, with age , and experience.
8w9 here. I’m pretty laid back but I will come after you if you hurt a loved one or the weak. I love that you said the 8’s word should be “pause”. I just told my friend that if I ever get a tattoo, it will say, “be still”. Lol
My 30 year old son is an ESTJ 8w7. I always knew this, but he recently just took the test. Because of his 8, 3, 5: triad, he fears he's a Narcissist now. But because I'm a 2 7 9 Mom, I reassure him that he is fine.
If he fears he’s a narcissist, he’s probably not! I have a narcissist in my life, and they would never think they were anything less than gods gift to the world!
Now I am almost crying; as I was put in-charge of taking care of my younger brother (when I was only 7 years old) while also protecting myself from an older sibling who was sexually harassing me around the same time. I'm so tired of being in a defensive stance but do see that the best defense is a big OFFENSIVE stance : (
Thanks for creating and sharing this. This is definitely one of the better and more nuanced descriptions I’ve seen of the 8w9 but also 8s in general. The basic stereotypes of the 8 definitely skew towards 8w7 and I think people have a hard time understanding what 8w9s are like. Your video helped expand my picture for myself of what it looks like to approach from a place of defense that I hadn’t thought about in those terms before.
Well, thanks. Found your videos to be informative and easy to listen to. I have found this enneagram thing to be more useful than most personality explanation systems. Regards an 8w9.
I love it auto rebellion, I have to chuckle. Working on my 8ness I test at about 69% on the 8 scale. I am definitely 8 with the 7 wing. Life is definitely full of passion as an 8. Thank you for breaking this down for me, I wear myself out without anyone else's help many times.
I really love your channel. I find that not only do you have a deep understanding of the different types, but your are also great at teaching and explaining.
This was really helpful. When I test I always come out 8w7. The 8 is validated by the fact that 5 is where I retreat when stressed and when I'm at my best my 2 comes forth (which itself is a bit stressful). Life has forced me to be more 2 than I would like. I love your "auto-rebellion" - it fits me well. But I'm too introverted to be 8w7 as you describe it. I'm more into carving my own way than domineering or wheeler-dealing others. Your description of 8w9 made me feel right at home. I live with strong purpose, values and people I'll fight for, but I'm chill when I have a choice, and prefer to challenge with charm. I also listened to your 9w8, too self-effacing for me, too slow to arouse. So I'm comfortable with 8w9. So why do I score high on 7? I suppose because "lust" for exciting experiences defines me in a big way. But I'm just not that extroverted and I plan my adventures rather than chase them. Anyway, thank you for your helpful videos!
Do you know your MBTI? And your temperament? Some cognitive functions or temperaments make that some enneagram numbers score higher in tests. Just because the questions ask how you act, but enneagram and MBTI and temperament can influence.
Same here. INTJ 8w7, but I'm too deliberate in what i do according to this video; I do think about myself and I do analyze before i act when shit is serious. But I *do* act when I (not anyone else) think the time is right. Though sometimes i just do what i wanna do and the world can burn, if that's all it takes for things to go to shit then fuck it. My tritype is 853 tho so i relate to all three types; I'm just not as inert as a 5 (though information is crucial) and I don't keep myself nearly as busy as a 3 if i don't want to, but sometimes what others think of me does preoccupy me temporarily.
@@Lizzzi86ISTP, but I'm kind of an "ambivert". What's funny about this comment is I was reading it and thought WOW this person is just like me! Only then did I realize that I wrote it myself 3 years sgo!!
Very interesting. 8w7 sounds exactly like me in my 20’s. I was vicious! But 8w9 seems to be more like me now, although depends on the situation. I can snap right into 8w7. Thought between INTJ and 8, maybe some contradictions will be solved, but it’s doing the opposite. Although, my contradictions make perfect sense to me, just trying to have it make sense to others. It’s annoying how spot on some of these are. We must be programmed prototypes in a simulation.
Indeed, as an INTJ 8w7 as well, I always thought I was "unique" and full of myself. Once I found out about MBTI and enneagrams I was pretty surprised to be honest, thought it was gonna be some bs, but it seems like there are lots of us out there and we can be categorized, sadly for my past self, lol. Might be a simulation, or might just be evolution, i'm hoping it's the former, would make it more interesting, haha.
I'm crossing the bridge between my 20's and 30's, and I feel there's a glitch in me where at work (or anywhere I feel the need to accomplish something), I will behave very much like 8w7 & get very aggressive in influencing people, but once the clock turns, in a relaxing setting, I glitch back to 8w9 where I just want to be absolutely useless and let others make decisions......I'm an ISFJ. Things about me are confusing lmao
Thought I was just a burnt out 8w7, but I’ve always been a bit more relaxed in “home” or my comfort spaces, and a WAY more productive and “domineering” person at work. This video definitely helped me figure out it that I’m actually an 8w9
After hearing all this, I am clear I'm an 8w7. I was laid off in June. In Aug I started my own business. In October, I'm now launching my second business. I know I don't know a lot. So I've enlisted powerful, thoughtful women to help me launch this. I'm asking for help, because I know I don't know some things. This is so validating. Thanks.
Now I understand more about moving to 5 when backed into a corner, or overwhelmed, I think I'm an 8w7 and I live in 9 and 5 to try to tone down my ambitions and my aggression. I slip back into an 8w7, def live and let live unless you get in my face. The more in my face you get the more direct and confronting I will be. I've accepted I can't do all the things I wanted to do, but I don't like it.
I am an 8w7. I am also a serial Entrepreneur with 4 companies & currently working on a 5th as we speak 🤦🏾♂️. Some of my business partners get scared because I like to "scale quickly", & my business motto is "speed kills". I HATE being properly analyzed! 😂
Lol oh gosh... im an 8w7. No wonder I feel like a maniac half of the time 😅😅 that auto rebellion thing is SPOT on. Years ago before i even knew about personality types or enneagram id think to myself "im just kinda a rebel at heart🤷♂️"
You are SO GOOD! My husband and his friend, who I’ve always thought were so similar yet different, I have always believed my husband is an ISTP and his friend an ESTP, I think my husband is definitely 8 W9 and his friend 8W7 it’s crazy how all of it comes together w this!
We don’t “forget” the vulnerabilities though. We can be VERY aware of our shortcomings, but aim to develop in those areas. It just hard to focus on our vulnerabilities when other people’s keep hitting us in the face. We are hard on ourselves and others.
It has actually never occurred to me that I’m an 8w7 because of being the oldest child in a house full of abuse and trauma. This has helped me think about a few things so thank you for that. ENTJ, by the way. Much to my dismay 😅
I needed to see this again. A lot of helpful points for accurate typing, as well as great advice. It's all coming together now. Thanks for the great video!
I'm on a journey to see if I'm a 9w8 or an 8w9 since my anxiety and depression both have gotten much much better over the years as I've become a healthier person. I have a theory that I'm an 8w9 with too much social anxiety to properly be an 8 and instead looked like a 9 core type. Will see after watching the video :3 24:22 I love that the 8w9 is called The Bear, it's such an amazing title in my mind XD
As an 8 I don’t think I look for who to blame but definitely get 5ey and think about WHY things are how they are, and areas that are nonsensical instantly pop into my head. Like “this doesn’t make sense” “this is illogical” 😂
I love this I'm an 8w7... My 8 is 98% my wing 7 is 96%. I have learned to implement self control sometimes so I might think certain things but I do not act on them necessarily. 🤣 And I have learned to pick my battles which has surprisingly brought me a great deal of inner peace. And FYI my teenage daughter is 99% 4.🤦🏽♀️we disagree who each other 95% of the time. Discovering this is very helpful as a mom though 💪🏽
"under your charge to protect" Oh. Yea that's me. I sometimes wonder if I'm really an 8w7 but then every time someone talks about it I'm over here going "damn, its me"
I both feel and think like I am a blend of 8w9 (75%) and 8w7 (25%) - MBTI type is INTJ. I have tested as 8 with no wings. However, upon reviewing your content I identify with both wing 9 and wing 7.
I’m an 8 with both wings.. I feel completely understood and seen by this video. I never want to change but would love to understand others that are different more easily.
When I was Younger my seven wing was more dominant right now as I get older or more mature I see that my 9 is the dominant one now more I become more laid-back and calm and easy going But I love my 7 wing too but I prefer being more in my 9 wing💙 love your videos there are really helpful thank you
Feeling beat up and misunderstood, isolation is hard because very misunderstood as a protector in current circumstances. The weirder the world gets the more sane I know I am and the more crazy or aggressive the world sees me, I don't want to participate if mandates can be unreliable or non respectable authority impositions are difficult. My response is Give me liberty or give me death
I think I managed to type myself as an 8w9 after watching this even though I scored very high as an 8w7 and a 5w6. So I guess that makes me an ISTP 8w9. Thanks that is some great info.
How did you realize you were a 8w9 not a 5w6? I’m convinced my husband, also ISTP, is either a 5w6 or 8w9. After this video I’m thinking he’s 8w9 but he said that the both of the motivations of the 5 and 8 ring true to him equally.
@@laurenronquillo9520 Well the 5s see the world as a danderous place and accumulate knowledge because they believe that this will help them way to cope with the world, in my eyes I think 5s go a little towards the nerd side. The 8s know the world is a harsh place and believe the way to survive in it is also to be strong and tough, they are empowered individuals that rely mostly on themselves. In my eyes 8s are more harsh generally than 5s, also people cant take advantage of them easily and if they do or mistreat them they gonna get what they deserve from them haha. Did he watch both the videos of ''Am I type 8\5'' and still cant tell?
Thodoris Vouk he hasn’t seen either of them. He’s not really into the enneagram, but I am because I want to understand us both better. I have read the motivations to him and he said he is 50/50, they both ring true equally. He definitely has traits of both. Definitely narrowed it down to SP 5 or SP 8.
In the last argument I had with my ex (E9), he FINALLY got to it by saying, "I thought I could TAME you!" WTH? After 20 years he hadn't learned---LOL. Slow learner! Currently, after 35 years of entrepreneurship in the medical industry, I am a mentor for budding entrepreneurs at a major university--a dream retirement-give back-kinda thing that I thoroughly enjoy. 8w7 all the way.
thank you so much for this video! helps me understand my ENFJ 8w7 friend better :) 8w7s are so funny to be around really, because you will watch a show with her and as soon as she sees the most powerful character she will go "that would be me" and i'm like,,, honey no you are not evil even if you try to be??
I am a 8w9 INTP. My initial internal reaction when someone tells me what to do is "fuck you I won't do what you tell me" then my INTP let's me think about it then I am like that's actually a good idea, haha
A force to be reckoned with 🙋when it comes down to it. But I'm pretty reserved. You've really gotta push me to get me riled up. Unless it's my project, my idea then I'm pretty aggressive. Learning my gentleness and very introverted. Always sizing people up. I'm a watchman for sure! Yes, don't underestimate me!!! 🤣
"do what you want when you want without any restrictions. this must sound like heaven to 8s" I've never heard anything more accurate. you are very right, sir.
Exactly!
Is there something wrong with that??? Lol😂
@@mrs.fowlerfamilyfarm7636 only when we go full on Bendito Mussolini..
@@mrs.fowlerfamilyfarm7636 Only when you're not actually right and simply are delusional. When you're right and stay close the the truth, enforcing your will is nothing evil. We live in a world full of simple weak idiots and natural born slaves. Majority of people lack the fire to change it, be the fire that leads, be the change. I'm myself an ENTJ-A 8w7 and I prefer to stay aside, but sometimes I just can't help myself and go full revolutionary, it usualy changes everything, but at the same time, brings good with the said change, however brutal my methods can be. I've broken many people that naturally hated my guts after it, but admitted that I was right and thanked me years after it.
I laughed when you said that 8's would rather eat dirt than ask for help and appear vulnerable! It is sooo true! On little stuff, not so much, but if it is something big, or if I am in a very vulnerable place, it pains me big time to asked for assistance. Independence is so important. If you have been controlled in the past, like in your family or your marriage, it makes you want to experience that even less. I became much stronger and independent after a bad marriage, where all he wanted to do was control me!
It occurred to me during that portion of the discussion that often I don’t even know how to identify WHAT would be helpful (when I aim to genuinely respond to an offer for assistance). Certain circumstances have helped me understand when I need to pull others in to use THEIR gifts to help me... but in areas of weakness like that (where I don’t even know what assistance I actually need) I’ve learned to temper myself and ask: “From your outside observation, what did you have in mind?... because I’M actually not sure!”
It’s so unhealthy😂 my college class started 2 weeks ago and I hadn’t asked for the course ID code to access the school work cuz I thought I knew what the code was and I lagged to access it because of not wanting to ask for help and i thought I was already late to asking for help and I hate being late to doing things and... it was never ending until I just said “f it” and asked lmao cuz why does it matter who cares just ask, ladies and gentlemen‼️ THIS WAS TODAY but we good now I’m getting everything done🤘🏽
I think it depends on how developed and healthy the 8 is. I think an unhealthy or underdeveloped 8 is afraid to ask for help, a more developed 8 is not.
@@jwest9155 I disagree with that statement. We are just an independent bunch. We prefer to handle most things on our own. Only when it becomes too much for us, will we seek the help from others. I think that I am a pretty developed ENTJ. I am a senior and have done alot of work on myself. But I still have trouble admitting that I cannot do it all by self. Dont like to feel weak or depend on others. Dont need alot of emotional support. But sometimes I have to admit that i cannot do it all!
8w7 here. My friend said, “I never thought of you as impulsive, you always have a plan for everything.” I do! These plans are quickly developed after I’ve already committed to something that seems impossible and convinced everyone else to join in…
8w7 is so competitive it took over this video 😂 8w9 start at 24:32
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OMG thank you very much!
I hope he makes a video for 8w9
8w7 supremacy ✌🏼
Not all heroes wear capes.. Thank you!
hahhahaha adding "auto rebellion" to my vocabulary now. ENFP 8w7 here!!! oh man..the part about wanting a lot of money, it's very true. people think i want to be incredibly rich, but it's not like that for me - it's about having freedom and doing whatever I want without worrying about money.
Same over here! I'm entp 8w7 and I just want freedom to explore life, sadly we humans in the 21st century are limited by working for money to survive. So therefore we want to solve that problem of money and become "rich".
Same. ENTP 8w7.
Same!!
~ ENTP 8w7
I'm a 6/5 with a five-year-old 8/7 granddaughter. When I have her over, I let her organize our day. She is a delight, but a force. We laugh alot and it is not stop action.
when she leaves, I literally have to lay down for 2 hours to recover. Haha!
Two of my teenage daughters are 8s.... a 14 year old 8w7 and an 18 year old 8w9. As a 1w2 mother.... sigh... pray for me. LOL 😂
Everything is a battle :-) "Who are you to tell me what to do?" Haha. You got this.
Dr. Tom LaHue six of our 9 kids are still at home so they each have a night to clean the kitchen.... I put up a chart so it’s not ME telling them to do it and I let my 8w9 daughter pick her night first and then the 8w7. I just gave my 9w1 son what was left after his siblings picked... lol I knew he wouldn’t complain. 2w3 daughter picked hers based on her work schedule. Even just a reminder to the 18 year old gets a “Yeah, I KNOW mom!!!” and then I just make myself scarce because that is NOT the child to micromanage... which is my tendency. I’m not sure what my little guys are yet but I think my 10 year old may be headed down a 1 path like me and I see some major 8 hints in the 6 year old. But that could also just be 6 year old boy, too. I love my daughters but sons are less drama. Harder to keep alive, but less drama.
Bless you! Lol 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Lol: in my household both myself and my 15 yo are 8w7s, hubby is a 1w9... and my 10 yo is a 6w5... so pray for my poor 10 yo. 😅
Yes, I know the type 8w7. If I wasn't consistent with my rules, he would have walked all over me. I'll be praying,. Lol
I am a strong Female 8 with a 7 wing, based on your description. I am a small petite woman, 5"0, but inside my head, I am 5'8"! I very much relate to what you say in this video except the angry part. Protector, yes. Other people might classified me as angry, since I am very outspoken, and i don't back down from a challenge. I hate stupid rules or people trying to control me. And I will be vocal about it. With maturity, I have learned when to speak up and when to keep my mouth shut. And also have become more sensitive to what others are experiencing in my presence. I used to be oblivious to that! I will defend the weak and those that cant stand up for themselves. I like direct communication, please get to the point! Please answer my question, and not what you think I am asking!! Great video.
I’m 8w7 & totally do understand the anger. Peace!
I had to double check the picture and make sure this wasn’t my wife! Spot on,
Totally relate to this! I'm 5'3 lol
You have ENTJ written all over this. Hello fellow ENTJ woman ! I am the same way. Thats my motto. "Get to the point!"
Hey shawty... 😄😘
Thought I was a 9 for years, but just this evening realised I'm an 8w9. Was a leader when I was a kid but grew up in a turbulent family, where I wasn't allowed to express any sort of anger so I just went into the 9 wing. Recently started to get happier, out of a looong depression and I'm starting to see myself acting out more of that 8 and even 7 at times, which I think is great. The future is going to be interesting ;))
Same here, but mine is an entire turbulent society that is still following gender stereotypes. Took me years to realize I'm an 8 girl, not a crazy girl, lol!
The "two sides" hits home for me as an 8w9; didn't realize I was 8 until I started working professionally. I had thought I was 9w8 with a lot of 7 energy, then was surprised to find out that I was the assertive one in the meetings 😂.
wow. You are bang on. I am 8w7 and ENFJ, I thought you had an access to my brain and mind!
omg! same. i'm also an 8w7 and enfj(-a)
Ayye me too
Oooh me too! Nice
@@EmyN It's a powerful combo huh? :)
Female, ENTP, 8w7 here. Never married, no children, made millions $ and lost millions $ now 54 and completely burnt out! 🤪😜
I am male ENTP 8w7
Would I be able to succeed in life. I am really jealous of ENTJs and their success.
I am just 17, any advises
Shreyansh Singh oh sweetheart! Yes, you can succeed. You have creativity that ENTJ never knows. I built a technology business with an intp. The only reason inlostvso much money wws because he and i had a fight and he ended up with the $250 million!! My mistake was that i did not get good lawyers and accountants to advise me at an early age... i thought i would be fine. I thought i was too clever. Learn from me that you can do anything you want to, but the greatest success requires other people who have skills that you dont (people who are "boring") these boring people are critical to your success. 😃 ask me anything you like 😁
i’m a girl entp 8w7 and ur living the my dream haha i’m 17 and trying to see where life takes me
RoyTards seeing where life takes me got me to great things.... excellent strategy ❤️
Your self preservation instinct is probably not strong enough to defend you from recklessness and lack of forethought.
This is great info, but as 8w9, I felt this was heavily focused on 8w7. But very solid info.
I am an 8w7 and this is completely true. I work a full time job, and also have a small business and teach exercise classes. I am married to a 5 and we go so well together because we make things happen constantly. We have fantastic arguments, I am super competitive and have pulled back this aspect to cheer on my friends for their accomplishments. I love to push others to expand their thinking and limits.... I LOVE seeing them grow. And I feel the “I don’t want to ask for help” so much. Asking for any sort of help is worse than anything.
8w7’ lets go!🔥✊🏾
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Am there already 😉💪💫🔥
I'm laughing so hard when he said "Auto-rebellion" as I have been in the dean/principal's office since 1st grade!! LOL
This video touches me in a way I never expected. You described my history as if you knew me. I am in shock that you hit nearly all of my 8w7 traits that I assumed were unique. To know that there are others so similar to my way of thinking is a seriously life-changing realization for me!
The movie "Scarface" from 1983 is like an 8w7's wet dream.
And a 4w5 nightmare
@@dianana7371 hehehe
8w7 big thanks for explaining!!! There is a lot to learn/think!
Glad you found my channel.
8w7 here too :)
so excited in learning more about myself
@@twlahue I'm so glad I did too, explains so much
23:16 incompetent people in leadership positions is the worse thing ever. I wonder how do other types deal with it ?
8w9 here, and I resonated with that SO MUCH. My gosh. Incompetent bosses or leaders is the most frustrating thing ever
8w7. It's not easy!
@@xxIrizz And when those persons treat them they are in charge of in an injustice way - It's the easiest and fastest way to get me from 0 to 100 😅
I want to know how they got the job. WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING THIS IDIOT IN CHARGE?! 😁
They just put up with it! I type my resignation.
Honestly, this is quite eye-opening. I struggle with blame in the heat of the moment. Even if it isn't outwardly voiced, in my mind I charge someone with the mistake I believe they caused. The more I learn, the easier it will be to improve myself and break bad habits. Excellent video!
I came here for this comment 🙏
9:33 8w7
24:22 8w9
Thanksss
I'm a 9w1 woman married to an 8w9 man. Love hearing this perspective and learning to understand how his mind works. We definately have an interesting dynamic going on. Awesome work 🙂
Spot on video! I’m an 8w7. My job is to defend those who are powerless but hate those who do not take action in their lives. I believe I am in control of my destiny. I hate, hate being manipulated.
I worked with an abusive and manipulative boss. I often was the person to stand up to him, but that didn't take long for him to remove me. I still hear stories of what he does there. Sometimes, I kick myself because now there is no one there to protect the friendly coworkers there, but I realize that is not an environment I could have functioned in any longer. It also frustrates me because my best friend still works there and just continues to take the abuse and low pay. I keep telling him there is no benefit to staying there, be he persists despite everything.
I feel like God was speaking directly through you to me during this entire video. Even the places where you hesitated, it was like you were getting the download and listened where to stop and where not to say more. Sooo good!!
8w7 here ! Very much so! I find 8 are being misunderstood and ‘characterized’ most time - like a big arm angry man ... which I’m not so it took me a lot of time to find my type ! Thank you for that video
I felt like all my business was out in the streets after listening to this video. Really helped me to understand myself more. I just realized I need to stop offering my advice and support for free and I need to start charging people. Folks have not appreciated my gifts and strengths and instead of embracing them they say I'm too much. There's a market for people who want to be encouraged by doers.
Amen to that
The annoying thing is that people are more likely to listen to your advice if you charge them than if you give them advice for free.
Yes...be a therapist or life coach..people need to know their strength and power.
"to ask for help.... they'd rather eat rocks" lmao
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It also depends on age. I've seen where my traits were counterproductive in my life and have changed some things. Mostly, I've learned to shut up and not suck all the air in the room. And I let others talk and challenge in a less confrontational way. Basically, I let people have more dignity at the end of the day.
I’ve seen this happen in my father, too. He’s a 8w7 (so/sp instinct) and has a big personality. He used to be really confrontational but now he listens more and helps me and others figure out how to express myself more. This all happened over time, with age , and experience.
Exxxactly.
Yesss! It's just about acting smart
8w9 here. I’m pretty laid back but I will come after you if you hurt a loved one or the weak. I love that you said the 8’s word should be “pause”. I just told my friend that if I ever get a tattoo, it will say, “be still”. Lol
THIS IS SO ME!!!! 8/7. Love how accurate the Enneagram is for me. YOU DA BEST! God bless.
Being an INFJ-A 8w7 is really weird because I am in duality alot of the times but also so sure of myself when doing something, love the vid.
As an INFJ-A 7w8 feel some kind of duality too😅 Some enneagram types are not very typical for certain personality types
Just in case... at 24:24 begins 8w9 :)
THANK YOU
I’m an ENFJ Type 8 w 9 SOOOO TRUE. More specifically self preservation subtype.
ESTP 8W7, so true!!
I know right! I'm an ENFJ with 8w9 too, that goodness I found someone like me otherwise I'd still be completely confused.
Estp 8w9😊
Am I the only introverted 8w9??!?!?(ISTJ 8w9 here)
@@neagudavid2955 real, cause how is everyone an extrovert 😂
INTP 8w9 here!
My 30 year old son is an ESTJ 8w7. I always knew this, but he recently just took the test. Because of his 8, 3, 5: triad, he fears he's a Narcissist now. But because I'm a 2 7 9 Mom, I reassure him that he is fine.
If he fears he’s a narcissist, he’s probably not! I have a narcissist in my life, and they would never think they were anything less than gods gift to the world!
Now I am almost crying; as I was put in-charge of taking care of my younger brother (when I was only 7 years old) while also protecting myself from an older sibling who was sexually harassing me around the same time. I'm so tired of being in a defensive stance but do see that the best defense is a big OFFENSIVE stance : (
8s…daring you to underestimate them. Hilariously true! This was so great! Thank you!
Wow. Mind is completely blown. I’m an 8w7 and this was just bang on. Will be passing this onto my husband 😂 Thanks a million.
Thanks for creating and sharing this. This is definitely one of the better and more nuanced descriptions I’ve seen of the 8w9 but also 8s in general. The basic stereotypes of the 8 definitely skew towards 8w7 and I think people have a hard time understanding what 8w9s are like. Your video helped expand my picture for myself of what it looks like to approach from a place of defense that I hadn’t thought about in those terms before.
We’re easy to get along with :) healthy 8’s are who you want on your team
Totally agree! Healthy 8's are the dream team players for sure.
At 3:04 he defined my type in two words - Auto Rebellion.
Viva La Revolucion ✊
Well, thanks. Found your videos to be informative and easy to listen to. I have found this enneagram thing to be more useful than most personality explanation systems. Regards an 8w9.
I'm waiting so patiently for the 9w1 vs. 9w8 video... my turn next!!! :-)
Hopefully tomorrow.
Same🥳👏🌸
I am an 8 and feel fairly equal in the wings 7&9.. very interesting.
Same here. What MBTI type are you ?
I love it auto rebellion, I have to chuckle. Working on my 8ness I test at about 69% on the 8 scale. I am definitely 8 with the 7 wing. Life is definitely full of passion as an 8. Thank you for breaking this down for me, I wear myself out without anyone else's help many times.
Nice. Thanks for sharing.
I really love your channel. I find that not only do you have a deep understanding of the different types, but your are also great at teaching and explaining.
Yes, yes, yes. You are describing me. Thank you. I feel so validated for every thought and feeling I've ever had. Thank you!!
This was really helpful. When I test I always come out 8w7. The 8 is validated by the fact that 5 is where I retreat when stressed and when I'm at my best my 2 comes forth (which itself is a bit stressful). Life has forced me to be more 2 than I would like. I love your "auto-rebellion" - it fits me well. But I'm too introverted to be 8w7 as you describe it. I'm more into carving my own way than domineering or wheeler-dealing others. Your description of 8w9 made me feel right at home. I live with strong purpose, values and people I'll fight for, but I'm chill when I have a choice, and prefer to challenge with charm. I also listened to your 9w8, too self-effacing for me, too slow to arouse. So I'm comfortable with 8w9. So why do I score high on 7? I suppose because "lust" for exciting experiences defines me in a big way. But I'm just not that extroverted and I plan my adventures rather than chase them. Anyway, thank you for your helpful videos!
Do you know your MBTI? And your temperament? Some cognitive functions or temperaments make that some enneagram numbers score higher in tests. Just because the questions ask how you act, but enneagram and MBTI and temperament can influence.
Also the variant of your enneagram influence. Do you know if you are so, sx or sp?
Same here. INTJ 8w7, but I'm too deliberate in what i do according to this video; I do think about myself and I do analyze before i act when shit is serious. But I *do* act when I (not anyone else) think the time is right. Though sometimes i just do what i wanna do and the world can burn, if that's all it takes for things to go to shit then fuck it.
My tritype is 853 tho so i relate to all three types; I'm just not as inert as a 5 (though information is crucial) and I don't keep myself nearly as busy as a 3 if i don't want to, but sometimes what others think of me does preoccupy me temporarily.
@@Lizzzi86ISTP, but I'm kind of an "ambivert". What's funny about this comment is I was reading it and thought WOW this person is just like me! Only then did I realize that I wrote it myself 3 years sgo!!
Very interesting. 8w7 sounds exactly like me in my 20’s. I was vicious! But 8w9 seems to be more like me now, although depends on the situation. I can snap right into 8w7. Thought between INTJ and 8, maybe some contradictions will be solved, but it’s doing the opposite. Although, my contradictions make perfect sense to me, just trying to have it make sense to others. It’s annoying how spot on some of these are. We must be programmed prototypes in a simulation.
Indeed, as an INTJ 8w7 as well, I always thought I was "unique" and full of myself. Once I found out about MBTI and enneagrams I was pretty surprised to be honest, thought it was gonna be some bs, but it seems like there are lots of us out there and we can be categorized, sadly for my past self, lol. Might be a simulation, or might just be evolution, i'm hoping it's the former, would make it more interesting, haha.
I'm crossing the bridge between my 20's and 30's, and I feel there's a glitch in me where at work (or anywhere I feel the need to accomplish something), I will behave very much like 8w7 & get very aggressive in influencing people, but once the clock turns, in a relaxing setting, I glitch back to 8w9 where I just want to be absolutely useless and let others make decisions......I'm an ISFJ. Things about me are confusing lmao
Sounds like me! 8's tend to mellow as we age (at least that's my theory) LOL
Thought I was just a burnt out 8w7, but I’ve always been a bit more relaxed in “home” or my comfort spaces, and a WAY more productive and “domineering” person at work.
This video definitely helped me figure out it that I’m actually an 8w9
I feel like 8,7s get such a bad rep.
After hearing all this, I am clear I'm an 8w7. I was laid off in June. In Aug I started my own business. In October, I'm now launching my second business. I know I don't know a lot. So I've enlisted powerful, thoughtful women to help me launch this. I'm asking for help, because I know I don't know some things. This is so validating. Thanks.
What's wrong with powerful, helpful men? They could help you too. Good luck, sincerely, a 6.
@@milanka882 Amen. I think they can tell we went through some shit with our mothers? Think I've read that somewhere.
Thanks for all your work in these videos. I always type high between a 5 and 8, so I've been looking deeper into these types. I'm definitely a 8W9!
Now I understand more about moving to 5 when backed into a corner, or overwhelmed, I think I'm an 8w7 and I live in 9 and 5 to try to tone down my ambitions and my aggression. I slip back into an 8w7, def live and let live unless you get in my face. The more in my face you get the more direct and confronting I will be. I've accepted I can't do all the things I wanted to do, but I don't like it.
Im an 8 w7. This is a perfect description!
8w7 here. Thanks for sharing this. This really helps me to understand somethings.
I am an 8w7. I am also a serial Entrepreneur with 4 companies & currently working on a 5th as we speak 🤦🏾♂️.
Some of my business partners get scared because I like to "scale quickly", & my business motto is "speed kills".
I HATE being properly analyzed! 😂
This describes my 8w7 husband to a tee. Every single thing you said was spot on!
Lol oh gosh... im an 8w7. No wonder I feel like a maniac half of the time 😅😅 that auto rebellion thing is SPOT on. Years ago before i even knew about personality types or enneagram id think to myself "im just kinda a rebel at heart🤷♂️"
You are SO GOOD! My husband and his friend, who I’ve always thought were so similar yet different, I have always believed my husband is an ISTP and his friend an ESTP, I think my husband is definitely 8 W9 and his friend 8W7 it’s crazy how all of it comes together w this!
We don’t “forget” the vulnerabilities though. We can be VERY aware of our shortcomings, but aim to develop in those areas. It just hard to focus on our vulnerabilities when other people’s keep hitting us in the face. We are hard on ourselves and others.
I got 8w7 but i relate way more with 8w9.
I tend to fluctuate between intj and entj
Same! Im an entj but bcs im an ambivert so sometimes can get intj as my result. Relate more to 8w9 but get 8w7 😂
heyy another intj 8w9
That was so helpful to get my best friend/crush!!! Loving the 8w9
It has actually never occurred to me that I’m an 8w7 because of being the oldest child in a house full of abuse and trauma. This has helped me think about a few things so thank you for that. ENTJ, by the way. Much to my dismay 😅
Same! And first born of four, Scorpio. Yikes! "A force to be reckoned with."
Same ENTJ 8w7 Capricorn 1st born
I needed to see this again. A lot of helpful points for accurate typing, as well as great advice. It's all coming together now. Thanks for the great video!
I'm on a journey to see if I'm a 9w8 or an 8w9 since my anxiety and depression both have gotten much much better over the years as I've become a healthier person. I have a theory that I'm an 8w9 with too much social anxiety to properly be an 8 and instead looked like a 9 core type. Will see after watching the video :3
24:22 I love that the 8w9 is called The Bear, it's such an amazing title in my mind XD
This is so insightful! Thank you from a 8w7-Woman.
As an 8 I don’t think I look for who to blame but definitely get 5ey and think about WHY things are how they are, and areas that are nonsensical instantly pop into my head. Like “this doesn’t make sense” “this is illogical” 😂
For 8w7 and Entp, very helpful👍👍👍👍
I love this I'm an 8w7... My 8 is 98% my wing 7 is 96%. I have learned to implement self control sometimes so I might think certain things but I do not act on them necessarily. 🤣 And I have learned to pick my battles which has surprisingly brought me a great deal of inner peace. And FYI my teenage daughter is 99% 4.🤦🏽♀️we disagree who each other 95% of the time. Discovering this is very helpful as a mom though 💪🏽
Tell me why “auto-rebellion” had me like 👀😳😬 I’m an INTJ 8w7, somebody pray for me
Se inf and type 8 is like Fe dom type 5.
"under your charge to protect" Oh. Yea that's me. I sometimes wonder if I'm really an 8w7 but then every time someone talks about it I'm over here going "damn, its me"
I both feel and think like I am a blend of 8w9 (75%) and 8w7 (25%) - MBTI type is INTJ. I have tested as 8 with no wings. However, upon reviewing your content I identify with both wing 9 and wing 7.
I’m an 8 with both wings.. I feel completely understood and seen by this video. I never want to change but would love to understand others that are different more easily.
8w7 ENTJ male- everything you said is 100% spot on... holy fuck, thank you for this video.
When I was Younger my seven wing was more dominant right now as I get older or more mature I see that my 9 is the dominant one now more I become more laid-back and calm and easy going But I love my 7 wing too but I prefer being more in my 9 wing💙 love your videos there are really helpful thank you
This is my case as well.
_This is absolutely accurate. Defined me in seconds. Nicely done, cheers_ 01:12
"Auto-rebellion". . . . . .
I love it!!
WTF? 😂😂😂 This word resonates with me. INTJ 8w7, aka your worst nightmare.
@@johannach.2561 I'm INTP 8w7!! Hii!!!
I’m a 8w7 and i close/end fights. I don’t do that investigating business 😂 unless! I get placed as someone’s escape goat.
Scape goat *
I really like how your explain things. I've sized you up and you've got my vote. 🙂
Feeling beat up and misunderstood, isolation is hard because very misunderstood as a protector in current circumstances. The weirder the world gets the more sane I know I am and the more crazy or aggressive the world sees me, I don't want to participate if mandates can be unreliable or non respectable authority impositions are difficult. My response is Give me liberty or give me death
I think I managed to type myself as an 8w9 after watching this even though I scored very high as an 8w7 and a 5w6. So I guess that makes me an ISTP 8w9. Thanks that is some great info.
How did you realize you were a 8w9 not a 5w6? I’m convinced my husband, also ISTP, is either a 5w6 or 8w9. After this video I’m thinking he’s 8w9 but he said that the both of the motivations of the 5 and 8 ring true to him equally.
@@laurenronquillo9520 Well the 5s see the world as a danderous place and accumulate knowledge because they believe that this will help them way to cope with the world, in my eyes I think 5s go a little towards the nerd side. The 8s know the world is a harsh place and believe the way to survive in it is also to be strong and tough, they are empowered individuals that rely mostly on themselves. In my eyes 8s are more harsh generally than 5s, also people cant take advantage of them easily and if they do or mistreat them they gonna get what they deserve from them haha. Did he watch both the videos of ''Am I type 8\5'' and still cant tell?
Thodoris Vouk he hasn’t seen either of them. He’s not really into the enneagram, but I am because I want to understand us both better. I have read the motivations to him and he said he is 50/50, they both ring true equally. He definitely has traits of both. Definitely narrowed it down to SP 5 or SP 8.
In the last argument I had with my ex (E9), he FINALLY got to it by saying, "I thought I could TAME you!" WTH? After 20 years he hadn't learned---LOL. Slow learner! Currently, after 35 years of entrepreneurship in the medical industry, I am a mentor for budding entrepreneurs at a major university--a dream retirement-give back-kinda thing that I thoroughly enjoy. 8w7 all the way.
Thank God I am a 8w7. Thanks for clearing that up. In new to this and you make it very clear.
Yes we accept our weak side and we want to share and need help sometimes. But most people can’t help us. Thats why we better fix it our self.
8w9 is also the most badass enneagram type as kratos, vergil, and albert wesker hv shown us
Good stuff Dr. Tom. Yes, I agree that we should hit the pause-button more often before jumping into a fight. 8w7
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INTJ 8w7. Bring it on. Challenge everything.
Stratgic Feeling. Yes, this is what I've learned in Therapy!
Eights don't wanna be a confidant. What's the point of talking about a problem without solving it? That's an utter waste of time.
Omg 😳 the 4:00 to 5:30 mark was GOLD. It was me in a nutshell. Great!
OMG this was so informative and helpful! Easy to listen to too! thank you for sharing!
always struggled wonering which wing i was 8w7 of 8w9, Richard Rohr has a lecture that helped breakdown the ENNEAGRAM
I know an ESTP 8w7 and they are indeed an entrepreneur
11:30 yup 👍🏽 Just a consultant but yes self employment is best for me. ENTJ 8w7
thank you so much for this video! helps me understand my ENFJ 8w7 friend better :) 8w7s are so funny to be around really, because you will watch a show with her and as soon as she sees the most powerful character she will go "that would be me" and i'm like,,, honey no you are not evil even if you try to be??
8w7 here 🔥😈
Glad to hear it.
As far as I can tell, I’m an 8:9 that turns into an 8:7 when I had kids and came across causes with promoting/protecting.
I am a 8w9 INTP.
My initial internal reaction when someone tells me what to do is "fuck you I won't do what you tell me" then my INTP let's me think about it then I am like that's actually a good idea, haha
😂😂😂🤣 ok same
A force to be reckoned with 🙋when it comes down to it. But I'm pretty reserved. You've really gotta push me to get me riled up. Unless it's my project, my idea then I'm pretty aggressive. Learning my gentleness and very introverted. Always sizing people up. I'm a watchman for sure! Yes, don't underestimate me!!! 🤣
Thanks Ashlee, glad you found my channel. Miss you guys.