Been watching Cliffe with my dad since I was a kid on TV here in CT. It has been so nice to see him, and now his son Stuart, gain a bigger worldwide audience via the internet. Anyone can be wrong from time to time 🤷🏼♂ I think it serves to remind us not to put our faith in any man's word, but in God's Word alone.
Great message here. We all get it wrong from time to time. That's why we look to the word of God first and foremost, then we won't go wrong or be deceived.
I Love Cliff and his son going to college campuses and talking about the Gospel, God , and Jesus Christ. But i disagree on this point. He's trying to adapt to the pressures of the feminist movement!
Why do they have to labeled as a pastor, elder or bishop. Women can be evangelist we can still spread the good news if that is really our concern. My thoughts are it is all about money, these schools want to make more money because not to many men are going to seminary therefore the door is open to women and we ran with it! Know the tricks of the enemy!
Amen....many churches especially evangelical ones as time went on had less men in attendance.... women attended sometimes due to tradition over personal relationship whereas the pastor's sadly saw an opportunity to keep career woman aka money pouring into the church by providing titles.....many initially knew women speaking over men is wrong but the money came from these females so it became a norm plus most so called pastors are weak in standing for Christ so the foolery continues now many can't turn back
So a true woman of God preaching the word of God is a trick of the enemy 🤔 the trick of the enemy is prideful men using a few scriptures taking them out of context to hold back women who God has clearly gifted to preach his word! God doesn't give us desires to disobey him! If he's gifted them to preach that's what they're meant to do! Where in scripture does it say God equipped someone for something that he didn't intend for them to do?
@@cochisecarter6298 You are raving and moving the goalposts like a typical wahman. The scriptures give qualifications on Church leadership that excludes femaIes. The trick of the enemy has always been empowering wahmen and disrupting Gods order since Eden.
@@ricksonora6656 we are pretty much saying the same think. I may have worded it wrong. What I’m saying is that any women being approached with opportunity of being pastor / lead, would not want it if she was a true women of God. I question any women in that position when there are men in the church.
Not true my friend. Women have the same passions and desires as men do, but the scripture is what it is. Women can teach each other and learn from each other. As it is written in Titus. There is a place for all in the Kingdom of God and the Body of Christ. Grace and peace to you.
in the letter to timothy paul said i do not allow a woman to have authority over a man in the church or to teach a man in the church because (this is where he gives the reason ,so no other reasons matter ,except the ones given by paul )because the man was created first and the woman was deceived. this instruction to the church is given to protect the church from deception.i have noticed that many denominations that have a woman prophetess in their history have some form of deception in their doctrine
Straight foolishness smh so many men don't deceive according to you? Do you even watch Corey's channel? Because Paul gave his opinion on how the church at that time should run, that's a mandate to all churches for all time? Jesus never gave such an instruction nor did Paul say he did, but this is now a mandate?
So then there should be no problem with a new convert assuming the role of a bishop/ pastor. No problem with a man who doesn't have his house in order assuming the role. And no problem with a mam with anger issues and lack of hospitality assuming the role. Oh oh and don't judge him if he has more than one wife either. Matter of fact don't judge if he has a husband or just a girlfriend he plans not to marry. Because remember God can use anybody!!
Nope word 1 Timothy 3:6 not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into condemnation incurred by the devil. NASB Read titus and the it says the woman are to to teach the other women
@@andrewgibson4132 Just to bring clarity to my comment I was being sarcastic. If you notice I intentionally listed what is already written requirements...my point was that if we are to dismiss that the role is for men only then we have to dismiss the rest of requirements. I'm in agreement with Cory.
I do evangelism on the streets but I would never dare get up on the pulpit in the church to teach and lead a congregation. Here on Earth we mirror Gods relationship and hierarchy. He’s a God of order. He is a warrior. So as such, we have different offices and organizational structure, yet we are ONE. A army operates as one regardless if you are lieutenant or sergeant. Yes, one has more command than the other but it is that way because of qualifications. Men are qualified by God to be the head of the household/church. Women are the household/churches helpmeet. Which by no means is a “little” role! It’s a big deal to support such a big “operation”. Anyhow, just wanted to translate that into a different context. I was very prideful and it took me awhile to submit to Gods authority in that. But I repented and I am so happy. I am content and I shall not want. Jesus is enough for me.
PREFACE I have no intention of explaining how the email which I now offer to the web was downloaded to my drive. Readers are advised to remember that demons are liars. Not everything that Boltglue says should be assumed to be true, even from his own perspective. -S. Szpak Email #3 Nightowl, my dear brother I am truly disappointed that you haven't broken Nikita as yet. Two months ago you told me how close you were to total success. I encourage you to discourage her as much as possible. She may still do the right thing and take the coward's way out. These animals are just mortal beings. They always have the luxury of ending their miserable lives. We are immortal and superior. We never give up or surrender. I'm still using Claws in Pergamum where the Great King's throne is. I shouldn't have to send him to help you, but if I must I must. Your failure with Nikita will certainly be recorded into perpetuity. Something you don't want and something I will distance myself from. Encourage legalism. Our servants, the lawyers, were condemned by the Liar's son harshly in the New Words: But He said, “Woe to you lawyers as well! For you load people with burdens that are hard to bear, while you yourselves will not even touch the burdens with one of your fingers. And even more: Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge; you yourselves did not enter, and you hindered those who were entering.” The letter of the law kills, so let it do its job. Even the New Words say: But we know that the law is good,... So teach legalism. Teach that whatever a female speaks indoors has more weight than if she speaks it outdoors. Make sure "the pulpit" is a mystical place indoors, in their phony religion. Call it a 'sanctuary', whatever that is. If a female does speak from "the pulpit" be sure all in attendance know that she is only being ALLOWED TO SPEAK BECAUSE A MALE ALLOWED IT. It is still terrible, but at least it's something. -your just and older brother Boltglue
What do you make of Romans 16:1-2? 1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: 2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also. The word "servant" in verse 1 is the same used for "deacon" in Paul's letter to Timothy, where he describes the various stations of men in the church. And "succourer" in verse 2 means a woman who is given charge over others; a female guardian; patroness (Blue Ltter Bible app).
Phoebe's role as a "servant" or "deacon" in Romans 16:1-2, while important, doesn't equate to her being a pastor or elder. The term "diakonos," used for Phoebe, typically refers to roles centered around service and support within the church, distinct from the teaching and spiritual leadership roles of elders or overseers outlined by Paul in 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1. Paul's specific qualifications for elders use masculine terms, suggesting a differentiation in roles. Therefore, Phoebe's commendable role as a deacon doesn't contradict Paul's teachings about pastoral and elder positions. Recognizing the diversity of service roles in the early church helps appreciate the contributions of both men and women without conflating different forms of leadership.
Does anyone know where is says it in the law? Can someone point me to the scriptures of what Paul was talking about when referencing the law on this matter? Thank you in advance 😊 another question, Chloe a woman whose home was being used as a church gathering, but was she to be silent in her own home? I’m trying to understand because there are so many women in the New Testament who would seem to be participating in the church. Acts 21:8-9 The 4 daughters of Philip who prophesied. Romans 16:7 Junia a fellow prisoner and apostle? (for what? Preaching maybe?) Romans 16:1-2 A servant of the church and they were charged with assisting her for whatever business she had need of. Romans 16:12 Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labored in the Lord. Greet the beloved Persis, who labored much in the Lord. (Doing what?) Romans 16:3 Priscilla a fellow worker in Christ Jesus (doing what?) it also says in Acts 18:26 that When Aquila and Priscilla heard Apollos talking that they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. So was Pricilla explain and teaching the things of God more accurately to a man? These are just some questions that come to my mind when reading the scriptures and putting it together as a whole and not just picking one or two scriptures to learn from. Also Galatians 3:28 comes to mind There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” What does this mean then? I fully believe that women should not have authority over a man and shouldn’t tell a man how to be a man but God has used so many women especially in the OT to the epoint that a woman Judged all of Israel including men. I’m just trying to understand. Also I think that most men who are genuinely not in Christ like to say how “women are to be silent” and it sometimes sounds like they think God prefers men over women but that’s not true according to the scriptures God is not a respecter of persons. And men need to be very careful in how they feel about this because it could lead to a sinful thoughts or actions. May the Lord’s grace be with us all and His Holy Spirit guide us into all truth. 🙏🩵
@@InterwebUser-ps7ju Paul's instructions were for the church. Specifically for those positions mentioned, in the church. It was to establish order and structure in the church as God intended.
I agree with the elder's and pastors' perspectives, but we certainly have much to offer to the church. I am blessed and humbled to be a leader, but I also know I am not an elder, or a pastor, but I am an evangelist.
Do you mean evangelist as in someone who leads people to Christ at the store? As in a speaker who travels from church to church? As in a street preacher? Please clarify.
Sister you'll never please the dogmatic views of some on this issue! They're like modern Pharisees all about "the law," but not that you may be leading someone to Christ smh I guess God will reject whoever you lead to Christ because you might have done it in a church smh how sad and foolish!
I didn’t want to watch this bcuz as a Christian, I’m tired of us pointing fingers. BUT, I think you have a great point here bcuz he wasn’t speaking off the top of his head as he went and had time to think. He, brother Cliff, was incorrect. This is a HUGE problem that has allowed the Feminist movement say men are sexist. God is Not sexist. This is exactly how our Church of God, Jesus, Christ whether it’s called Baptist or Christian or some other church is fractured. Small Satanic fractures he created to make us all go our way instead of just doing what the word says. The natural order by GOD/YAHWEH/JESUS is men lead. That’s it. Cliff screwed that up and turned it into sexist. GOOD JOB brother. I’ve seen probably every TH-cam Christian in some way or another be incorrect in preaching because satanic is sneaky and makes micro fractures and we can’t fill in those problems fast enough as human. Thankfully- JESUS CHRIST. You’re awesome bro.
It is very dangerous to stop contending for the faith in exchange for the perception of unity. All of the mainline churches and many of the evangelical churches have stopped contending for the faith because they were falsely accused of being divisive for daring to speak truth. Ungodly behavior is divisive, exposing it is not.
@@touchofgrace3217Potent observation; many churches that years ago used to stand for righteousness have compromised for the worldly culture in hopes to gain followers aka members, money etc yet reality is they didn't get anything and the church has become more lost than ever because Jesus doesn't bless confusion
This is such a burning topic for me lately. We are created in God's image and also in value but with different functions. I find it interesting that for me, when I read Scripture, I see that a lead pastor or pastor should be male. However, I also believe not all men are called to be pastors since there is a list of what a shepherd pastor should be. However, in the household, men are leaders in the church, and not all men are called to be leaders and overseers in the church. Also, I think the argument is that we do need women in ministry as scripture calls it, but there are specifics, women leading women and children. We need this implemented back in our churches and stop ignoring what the scriptures say
Many things in churches today are out of order because of humanities disobedience....the wrong men are calling themselves to ministry yet are not chosen by Christ... whereas women are leading men instead of teaching women and children which we can see this is y the younger generation is messed up
@@cochisecarter6298So should we men put duct tape on womens mouth before they step in the church? Because that's what you're making it seem. Paul is saying women should not teach men. Nor speak as in at the pulpit as a pastor or head pastor. Now in some cases it will be necessary due to lack of "men" but pay attention such as Priscilla and Apollo pay attention he didnt know much of the gospel but Priscilla knew more than him so she "taught" him so he can have more knowledge so he can use to spread the gospel more accurately. She helped him and he went his way. Womens godly wisdom and guidance will help the men lead better. Very simple to understand.
Yes, women can have authority over women and children. And although someone like Alisa Childers or Melissa Daugherty should not teach men, they can teach in ways that men can seek and learn from.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
God bless you and yours brother Corey 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽men and women are not equal!!!!!! Is he a minister? And he is speaking on what he thinks and that has nothing to do with what God’s Word says. Key words we need to hear and learn to read between the lines. We think a lot of things, but that does not make it so. Stop twisting God’s Holy Word!!!!!!!!!! Thank you brother Corey for the teaching!!!!
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
I have a question, why do we not read 1 Timothy 2:12 in the same way we read 1 Corinthians 7:25-40.? Both can be argued as personal opinions of Paul he is stating to the church, as opposed to the order given in Titus when the qualifications of a Biblical leadership is established.
Paul made it very clear when he gave an opinion this was not one of those times.. the Lord spoke through Paul. The head of EVERY woman is the man the head if EVERY man is Christ and the head of Christ is God. This is a very distinct order. Woman can not be a pastor, teacher or leadership. The Elder women can teach the younger women as they are permitted to do. Also women can evangelize to the lost, testify, pray , prophesy, etc.
If they are just personal opinions, then you should do like Thomas Jefferson and take an X-acto knife to every passage that doesn’t say “this says the Lord.” Especially cut out that text about holy men of God being carried along by the Holy Spirit.
@@xprtsniperso nothing said was a reflection of the apostles opinions? They were just ventriloquist and had no personal opinions or views expressed in their writings?
@@cochisecarter6298 nope it was given by the Holy Spirit and they were used as vessels to write it. If you don’t believe that then you’re not in the faith. Jesus Christ Himself said to believe on Him as the scriptures said. Reference: 2 Timothy 3:16-17 2 Peter 1:21 John 7:38
I think I am starting to come around to what you are saying in terms of order. The Bible does say that when GOD created Eve, HE says I will make him a help meet. It seems as though many people have taken the order that things are to be done in and drawn false conclusions about worth or value. I do believe that GOD wants us to use our minds, which HE has given us, to make decisions when there is not clarity in a specific area in HIS word. We are not to reason against HIS word, character, or revealed will, however.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
My husband always puts it as we are just living out our punishments that were given in Genesis 3. Its nothing wrong with what God said, once you realize that God did it for a purpose. It takes a bit of spiritual maturity honestly. I struggled with it for years but God helped me understand that its above me. And im okay with that
What punishments? When the word says he was bruised for our transgressions and beaten for our iniquities? We’re no longer under the curse of Adam as long as we follow Yahwehs instructions
@@jonathancarrington2330 well the evidence that we are still in that punishment is the birthing process. Women still have pain. Men still have the role of headship and have to work for their food. And satan is still condemned. Those are the vital punishments set in motion after the fall of man. The only thing that Jesus did away with when He was crucified was how we atone for our sins. We don't have to sacrifice animals anymore. He was and is the perfect sacrifice. He didn't come to negate everything that God gave us as the foundation, such as the ten commandments (Matthew 5:17) I hope that makes sense.
@@jonathancarrington2330 Jesus Christ connected us back to God, the Father. We're able to come to the Father because of the gift of grace that came from Jesus's sacrifice. The penalty for sin is still death. Death wasn't here until the fall and it is still present in our world. Jesus created a way of escape from assured damnation. That's what He was bruised for, so that our sins will be forgiven if we repent, turn away from sin and take up our cross to follow Him
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. ___________________________________________ Also, neither the man nor the woman was cursed in Genesis. I have a post on that.
I agree with Brother Cliff. Every scripture that speaks of a woman (Wife) being in submission to a man (husband) speaks to the institution of marriage. 1 Timothy 3:2 speaks of fidelity in marriage. Christ is the head of the church, His bride.
How do we follow the commandments of the Lord when He commanded us to share and teach? Matthew 28:19-20 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Women are not supposed to teach or lead in the church..They can be prophetess,not deacons,elders,bishops, preachers,apostles. There are 11 prophetess in the Bible:Miriam,Deborah,Hulda,Isaiah 's wife,her name was never mentioned, naoida,Philip four daughters. 1 corinthians,1 Timothy 2, and Titus 3 speak on the does and don't of women in the Bible. Adam was created first not the woman.Anna is the other prophetess..Come on people stay with The Bible not MAN.
Does anyone know where is says it in the law? Can someone point me to the scriptures of what Paul was talking about when referencing the law on this matter? Thank you in advance 😊 another question, Chloe a woman whose home was being used as a church gathering, but was she to be silent in her own home? I’m trying to understand because there are so many women in the New Testament who would seem to be participating in the church. Acts 21:8-9 The 4 daughters of Philip who prophesied. Romans 16:7 Junia a fellow prisoner and apostle? (for what? Preaching maybe?) Romans 16:1-2 A servant of the church and they were charged with assisting her for whatever business she had need of. Romans 16:12 Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labored in the Lord. Greet the beloved Persis, who labored much in the Lord. (Doing what?) Romans 16:3 Priscilla a fellow worker in Christ Jesus (doing what?) it also says in Acts 18:26 that When Aquila and Priscilla heard Apollos talking that they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. So was Pricilla explain and teaching the things of God more accurately to a man? These are just some questions that come to my mind when reading the scriptures and putting it together as a whole and not just picking one or two scriptures to learn from. Also Galatians 3:28 comes to mind There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” What does this mean then? I fully believe that women should not have authority over a man and shouldn’t tell a man how to be a man but God has used so many women especially in the OT to the epoint that a woman Judged all of Israel including men. I’m just trying to understand. Also I think that most men who are genuinely not in Christ like to say how “women are to be silent” and it sometimes sounds like they think God prefers men over women but that’s not true according to the scriptures God is not a respecter of persons. And men need to be very careful in how they feel about this because it could lead to a sinful thoughts or actions. May the Lord’s grace be with us all and His Holy Spirit guide us into all truth. 🙏🩵
@InterwebUser-ps7ju I would say he is referencing Jewish law which DEFINITELY banned women from priesthood. See Leviticus and also what the Bible says about women on their cycle...
@@darrylmadlock2505 women can help and do works without speaking? being completely silent? I think men need to be carful when understanding this teaching and seek the Lord for His guidance on it. It seems that lots of men think that God prefers men over women when the scriptures say that God is not a respecter of persons and that there is neither male nor female in Christ. I agree that women should not be in leadership roles and take authority over men but for men to say that women should be completely silent goes against the entirety of the scriptures. This is a teaching that makes It is easy to men to fall into sinful thoughts or actions. May the Lord lead and guide us into all truth and understanding🙏
Gen 1:27 God created male and female. The Bible never tells us that man and woman are not equal. You have to also take your own advice and not add to the text by saying they are unequal or lesser than. Also in the Bible there are many laws we don’t do today because we understand that they were applicable for that culture back then, due to context. So if we are allowed to use context for the rest of the Bible, you have to use context with Paul’s letter to Corinth. Even in study Bibles they point out woman were causing issues in the church. You can’t take scriptures out of context when you like.
Respectfully, you need to study your Word as well. The laws that you are referring to that were applicable to the "culture back then" were called the Mosaic Laws. The reason they were created was because of the actions of Jewish people at that time when it comes to God, but Jesus' birth, death, and resurrection had a lot to do with why they are not applicable any more. It would take me too long to go into all of that in a comment. Look it up. The instructions that Paul was issuing to the Body of Christ (Church) happened in a completely different time period and under completely different circumstances, so comparing the laws of the Old Testament to the instructions in the New Testament are like comparing apples and oranges. You just need to do a little research. Corey is correct in saying that men and women are not equal. You are just taking it in the context of the "lesser than" as you stated. Women are not lesser than men, and men are not greater than women, but they are not equal. Being equal would imply that there is no difference between the two. There are a plethora of books written to suggest otherwise. You need to stop taking it as a knock on women or putting them down. We are equally loved and accepted by God. I hope that this could clear the subject up a little for you. God bless.
@@CC-mp7id God made us in spirit first before he gave us bodies which is what was said in Gen 1:27. He made woman from our flesh but doesn’t mean she is lesser than or not equal. It never says that. You guys imply that which is fine but don’t call someone else out for implying something different.
@@Warrior4God64 4+6=10 5+5=10 they are equal but different. Context, woman shouldn’t speak during church Paul. Paul said that 1 Cor 14:34. He said it was the law in that scripture, but in context that was their culture. New testament, there are more things in the new testament we can’t take literal and we have to discern what the Holy Spirit wanted revealed to us when we study. I don’t want to argue just saying, Paul wrote that with context to that church. He ministered with woman which he references in other books.
Genesis 1:26-28 KJV [26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. [27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. [28] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Please explain the "Them" in Genesis 1.
Fact 1: the New Testament Scriptures are 27 books to 27 audiences, and each target audience was unique and therefore the message and intent were similar, but there are nuances. And yes, I fully understand and wholeheartedly agree that the Holy Spirit is the inspiration behind all Scripture. But the Holy Spirit was always addressing a real-life problem involving the people of God. Now, that the first fact is out of the way...Fact 2: the Bible, while certainly written for us, was not written "to" us. As much as we want to "narci-gete" ourselves into the Scriptures, none of the NT books open with "grace and peace to the saints in the USA" or words to that effect. Now, there is no question about what Paul said, the only question should be why was it said? I contend that 1st Timothy 2:12 is written in light of certain historical issues that were present in that context, likely false teaching (1 Tim 1:3). Every serious Bible student knows that there are plenty of things in the Bible that are merely descriptive, not prescriptive. I believe 1st Timothy 2 was descriptive given the clear concern about false teaching alluded to in the third verse of the book. The reference to the creation merely asserts that for Timothy and the saints in Ephesus in AD 65, Paul's words were binding as the creation order would never change. Having said all that, we are called to minister to the Spirit, not to the letter. Why? Because the letter kills but the Spirit gives life. Today, women most likely make up 75% of the people sitting in the pews. Is it really that far-fetched that a woman feels God has called her to preach? Lastly, if 1st Timothy 3 are "qualifications" for ministry, then none of us qualify to include Paul because none of us are above reproach without the grace of God. They are character traits that a person should exhibit before laying hands on a person for ordination purposes.
God bless you sir you're speaking the truth on this matter in my opinion 🙏🏿 I don't think God ever equipped people to be able to do something he'd then want them not to do! Most of these people don't seem to understand or desire to understand, anything that challenges their dogmatic view of those scriptures! They pretend as though the apostles were ventriloquist and weren't allowed the freedom to express their own views to an extent on these matters! That is truly ridiculous! Then if you completely adhere to what they're saying we should adhere to,then Paul's restrictions on women are far more problematic for them to explain away! Why do they dismiss some and choose to accept others! Paul was also a traditionalist,so to think none of this went into his writings is just the height of being disingenuous or flat out ignorant!
@brijenell0201 I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
Does anyone know where is says it in the law? Can someone point me to the scriptures of what Paul was talking about when referencing the law on this matter? Thank you in advance 😊 another question, Chloe a woman whose home was being used as a church gathering, but was she to be silent in her own home? I’m trying to understand because there are so many women in the New Testament who would seem to be participating in the church. Acts 21:8-9 The 4 daughters of Philip who prophesied. Romans 16:7 Junia a fellow prisoner and apostle? (for what? Preaching maybe?) Romans 16:1-2 A servant of the church and they were charged with assisting her for whatever business she had need of. Romans 16:12 Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labored in the Lord. Greet the beloved Persis, who labored much in the Lord. (Doing what?) Romans 16:3 Priscilla a fellow worker in Christ Jesus (doing what?) it also says in Acts 18:26 that When Aquila and Priscilla heard Apollos talking that they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. So was Pricilla explain and teaching the things of God more accurately to a man? These are just some questions that come to my mind when reading the scriptures and putting it together as a whole and not just picking one or two scriptures to learn from. Also Galatians 3:28 comes to mind There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” What does this mean then? I fully believe that women should not have authority over a man and shouldn’t tell a man how to be a man but God has used so many women especially in the OT to the epoint that a woman Judged all of Israel including men. I’m just trying to understand. Also I think that most men who are genuinely not in Christ like to say how “women are to be silent” and it sometimes sounds like they think God prefers men over women but that’s not true according to the scriptures God is not a respecter of persons. And men need to be very careful in how they feel about this because it could lead to a sinful thoughts or actions. May the Lord’s grace be with us all and His Holy Spirit guide us into all truth. 🙏🩵
I know that you are well read sir. .but Why is everyone "vilifying" Female Pastors & Bishops...the Bible, specifically states in Galatians 3:28 there is neither "Male nor Female", when it is comes to "Spiritual" things......C'mon Man ! we need to get over it....🤔
Does anyone know where is says it in the law? Can someone point me to the scriptures of what Paul was talking about when referencing the law on this matter? Thank you in advance 😊 another question, Chloe a woman whose home was being used as a church gathering, but was she to be silent in her own home? I’m trying to understand because there are so many women in the New Testament who would seem to be participating in the church. Acts 21:8-9 The 4 daughters of Philip who prophesied. Romans 16:7 Junia a fellow prisoner and apostle? (for what? Preaching maybe?) Romans 16:1-2 A servant of the church and they were charged with assisting her for whatever business she had need of. Romans 16:12 Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labored in the Lord. Greet the beloved Persis, who labored much in the Lord. (Doing what?) Romans 16:3 Priscilla a fellow worker in Christ Jesus (doing what?) it also says in Acts 18:26 that When Aquila and Priscilla heard Apollos talking that they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. So was Pricilla explain and teaching the things of God more accurately to a man? These are just some questions that come to my mind when reading the scriptures and putting it together as a whole and not just picking one or two scriptures to learn from. Also Galatians 3:28 comes to mind There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” What does this mean then? I fully believe that women should not have authority over a man and shouldn’t tell a man how to be a man but God has used so many women especially in the OT to the epoint that a woman Judged all of Israel including men. I’m just trying to understand. Also I think that most men who are genuinely not in Christ like to say how “women are to be silent” and it sometimes sounds like they think God prefers men over women but that’s not true according to the scriptures God is not a respecter of persons. And men need to be very careful in how they feel about this because it could lead to a sinful thoughts or actions. May the Lord’s grace be with us all and His Holy Spirit guide us into all truth. 🙏🩵
@@InterwebUser-ps7ju...Corey and others that "Oppose" females as Pastors or Bishops are doing satan's bidding,.. trying to get women to "abort" their God-Given ministry. The word clearly says that all Christian "male & female" are a Royal Priesthood, a Holy people, a Chosen Generation...
@@Morteeify Simply put we're all one in Christ (one body) however that does not mean we all have the same functions, abilities and roles. In the gathering of the saints (church) the role of the elders, pastors, deacons, bishops is solely for the men who meet the qualifications given in scripture (1 Timothy 3, Titus 1-2, Romans 12:7). This does not take away from women's roles, functions and abilities in the church. Scripture says women can teach and have authority but it can't be over men (in the church), women can teach the younger women and of course children (Titus 2:3-5 "The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.") The more we look at Galatians 3 as a whole it has nothing to do with roles in the church or who can have authority or not. It is simply about how we live by faith and because we live by faith we are hiers of the promise given to Abraham. I hope that helps have a blessed day and may The Lord Jesus Christ bless you. 🙏🏾
I watched another vid with cliffe on this subject I didn’t agree with. The other guy with him stated something false also saying the word pastor isn’t in the Bible regarding women being pastors. Yet it is. I follow cliffe and his Channel. I rock with them but they are wrong on this subject.
Thanks for going really slow and stopping as soon as there is a saying that is NOT biblical. I do agree, we will see more of this as time goes on. In Gen. 3:16, why does the word say it shall be your desire for your husband but he will rule over you? The English word "desire" sounds like she wants the man or wants to get along with him. She doesn't. Why would a man have to rule over someone who is on the same page as him?
Lovely apologist but my issue is this. If your wrong intentionally on one issue what other issues are you wrong about that the body don't know about. People inevitably reveal themselves this way
I really like listening to bro Cliff but my question to him would be, "at what point is it ok for his wife to be the head of his house?' I would ask respectfully just seeking how he would answer. Respectfully!!
Has nothing to do with the head of the house this has to do with preaching the word! Most people don't even qualify to preach, but does that mean God won't use and work with who's avaliable? He's only done it throughout the entire Bible!
It was customary for only men to be rabbis in Jewish culture. Maybe the women didn’t even go to synagogue and this new freedom to attend, as Christianity was for male and female, needed to have rules of conduct in church. I personally don’t have a problem with male headship, as commanded by God. It’s a big responsibility for a man, but if he does it biblically, it works.
I think he's a great apologist and teacher but I think he's wrong about this. I've encountered other pastors who (seem to have) everything else right but fall short in this category specifically (sometimes another). Are they disqualified to teach?
Can you use the argument that Paul said women should not be permitted to speak under subjection to the law? I don’t think that would apply since you’re not under the law anymore. Just looking for some understanding and growing.
Part 11 PAUL STATES THAT WOMEN SHOULD BE SILENT As in all the churches of the saints, the women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. -excerpt 1 Corinthians 14 In this matter Paul speaks of the 'law'. There is a small possibility that he is referring to a Roman or local law. If not, then Paul is stating that Christian women were still under the Old Covenant laws. Yet there was no Old Covenant law that states that women should be silent. Then the daughters of Zelophehad...came forward. They stood before Moses, before Eleazar the priest, before the leaders, and all the congregation at the entrance of the tent of meeting, saying, “Our father died in the wilderness, yet he was not among the group of those who gathered together against the Lord, in the group of Korah; but he died in his own sin, and he had no sons. Why should the name of our father be withdrawn from among his family simply because he had no son? Give us property among our father’s brothers.” So Moses brought their case before the Lord. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The daughters of Zelophehad are right about their statements. You shall certainly give them hereditary property among their father’s brothers... -excerpts Numbers 27 These women were not rebuked, even though they spoke before everyone, including Moses. What they asked for was granted to them, because God agreed with them.
Me : in my family the boys will do these things for the family and the daughter's will do these for the family. Some of my children: you can't believe dad really meant that, like literally.. i mean it's obvious the daughter's can do what we are told to do and we can do what the daughter's are told to do, soooooo I mean follow the rules, it's easy...
I know you talk a lot about women not being in leadership roles in the church. Can you go a little more in-depth of what the negative affects can be, and are. I fully agree. Women are not supposed to because the word of God says so. Thank you Mr. Corey.
(not this channel) Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
Hi, Corey. You have brilliantly misrepresented Cliff in this video on most things, especially when he talks about M&W being equal. Cliff is saying M&W R equal in God's sight.
Yeah I like Cliff but he’s just dead wrong here, it’s likely he was raised around and brought up in a church that allowed that so he would really be stirring the pot to come out against it but he should.
I love Cliff confronts a lot of questions I get hit with today. And a lot of what he speaks is true from the Bible. However, when he talks about women elders and teachers in the church, I do cringe. 😬 although, I know why he does it because he says it over and over and it is true. Women are not seen as equals in this western society but have the same opportunities afforded them if they so choose. And yes men and women are very different and yes we have a penis which is circumcised or not but why does the scriptures use words that pertain to the male and not the female? Just an observation. Even though Paul speaks of circumcision of the heart. Romans 2:25-29 regarding the letter of the law and those who do not keep the law vs those who do. So if the word of God is our law we should keep it and not exceed it under no circumstances not even exceptions because those exceptions leads to horrible consequences when we don’t wait on the LORD. And trust me if you are for God you will agree with him and if you disagree with him, well you know where your heart is. Revelation 3:15-16 speaks about being for God (Hot) or not (cold) for God. Because you speak of Him with your lips but your heart is far from Him. Jesus said those who do the will of my father are my brothers and sisters and mother. And though we are all one in the body of Christ we are but different members of the body that serve in a different way. The arm can not be the nose, and nose can not be an ear. Equally useful but yet different.
What about the woman at the well telling all the men in the town? or what about Mary telling about Jesus’s resurrection to the men? She was technically the first the share the good news lol how can we obey the Lord’s commandments of “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” And “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” ?
@@InterwebUser-ps7ju The women you speak of, which we highly respect, were obeying Jesus command for both male and female to evangelize, share the Good News, this is a good thing. However, evangelizing is something totally different from pastoral leadership, an office exclusive to men, with 46 XY chromosomes.
@@PullThemOutTheFire Oh I wasn’t talking about women in leadership I completely agree that women should not be in authority above men. I trust God but to say that women should not speak at all is somewhat contradictory of the scriptures when all throughout the New Testament there are women working in the faith and in the churches. We see God using women even in the Old Testament as well. I also think men need to approach this teaching very carefully because it seems that men tend to think God prefers men over women and that could lead men to have sinful thoughts and actions over this teaching but the scriptures are clear that God is not a respecter of persons. I pray God leads us into all understanding and truth 🙏
@InterwebUser-ps7ju Okay I see what you're saying. Yes, I agree...men who say women cannot speak at all, needs to examine their own hearts. We are equals, just with distinct roles :) 🙏 ❤️
@@InterwebUser-ps7ju they can just as long as it's not in a church because we know that if a woman preached a message that led to people committing to Christ that would be a terrible thing smh well that's according to these guy's logic which is completely illogical! God is more concerned with gender than salvation according to their dogmatic ideology on this issue
I love cliff too, but I’ve had to disagree with a few things he’s said. He told one gay man he totally supports his right to gay marriage and to marry whoever he lives etc but that he thinks it’s a sin. Ok if it’s a sin, and it is, how can you support anything having to do with that? Seems contradictory and confusing for unbelievers. I’m a believer and it confuses me!
I haven't seen that video, but I think Cliffe was saying that the person has the personal and social right/agency to do whatever... but it's still a sin at the end of the day... I don't think Cliffe was affirming or supporting the action, but being polite/nice to the person.... he tends to take a polite approach to apologetics, which has its strengths and weaknesses.
Does anyone know where is says it in the law? Can someone point me to the scriptures of what Paul was talking about when referencing the law on this matter? Thank you in advance 😊 another question, Chloe a woman whose home was being used as a church gathering, but was she to be silent in her own home? I’m trying to understand because there are so many women in the New Testament who would seem to be participating in the church. Acts 21:8-9 The 4 daughters of Philip who prophesied. Romans 16:7 Junia a fellow prisoner and apostle? (for what? Preaching maybe?) Romans 16:1-2 A servant of the church and they were charged with assisting her for whatever business she had need of. Romans 16:12 Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labored in the Lord. Greet the beloved Persis, who labored much in the Lord. (Doing what?) Romans 16:3 Priscilla a fellow worker in Christ Jesus (doing what?) it also says in Acts 18:26 that When Aquila and Priscilla heard Apollos talking that they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. So was Pricilla explain and teaching the things of God more accurately to a man? These are just some questions that come to my mind when reading the scriptures and putting it together as a whole and not just picking one or two scriptures to learn from. Also Galatians 3:28 comes to mind There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” What does this mean then? I fully believe that women should not have authority over a man and shouldn’t tell a man how to be a man but God has used so many women especially in the OT to the point that a woman Judged all of Israel including men. I’m just trying to understand. Also I think that most men who are genuinely not in Christ like to say how “women are to be silent” and it sometimes sounds like they think God prefers men over women but that’s not true according to the scriptures God is not a respecter of persons. And men need to be very careful in how they feel about this because it could lead to a sinful thoughts or actions. May the Lord’s grace be with us all and His Holy Spirit guide us into all truth. 🙏🩵
I post on these matters. Men and women are equal. Reply if desired. _______________________________________________ Part 11 PAUL STATES THAT WOMEN SHOULD BE SILENT As in all the churches of the saints, the women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. -excerpt 1 Corinthians 14 In this matter Paul speaks of the 'law'. There is a small possibility that he is referring to a Roman or local law. If not, then Paul is stating that Christian women were still under the Old Covenant laws. Yet there was no Old Covenant law that states that women should be silent. Then the daughters of Zelophehad...came forward. They stood before Moses, before Eleazar the priest, before the leaders, and all the congregation at the entrance of the tent of meeting, saying, “Our father died in the wilderness, yet he was not among the group of those who gathered together against the Lord, in the group of Korah; but he died in his own sin, and he had no sons. Why should the name of our father be withdrawn from among his family simply because he had no son? Give us property among our father’s brothers.” So Moses brought their case before the Lord. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The daughters of Zelophehad are right about their statements. You shall certainly give them hereditary property among their father’s brothers... -excerpts Numbers 27 These women were not rebuked, even though they spoke before everyone, including Moses. What they asked for was granted to them, because God agreed with them.
@@InterwebUser-ps7ju We don't know for sure. I've looked at several teachings of Paul. He doesn't come out well. Another example is below. Then the Table of Contents for my informal essay, if you want to read more on this matter. _________________________________________________ Part 3 PAUL CONTRADICTS HIS OWN TEACHING ON TONGUES AND PROPHECY So then, tongues are for a sign, ..to unbelievers; ...and all the people speak in tongues, and ...unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are insane? ...but prophecy is not for unbelievers, but for those who believe. But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever ...enters...so he will fall on his face and worship God... In the Law it is written: “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, and even so they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord. So then, tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is not for unbelievers, but for those who believe. Therefore if the whole church gathers together and all the people speak in tongues, and outsiders or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are insane? But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an outsider enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all; the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you. -excerpt 1 Corinthians 14 NASB _______________________________________________________________ Top suggestions if any reader should wish a study: Part 10 The most serious false teaching of Paul. Part 1 Part 2 (This entire informal essay is too long to be pasted up all at once.) TABLE OF CONTENTS OF: PAUL HIS FALSE, CONTRADICTORY, AND CONFUSING TEACHINGS INTRODUCTION Part 1 PAUL'S CONVERSION STORY Part 2 PAUL INSTRUCTS/ORDERS TIMOTHY TO BE CIRCUMCISED Part 3 PAUL CONTRADICTS HIS OWN TEACHING ON TONGUES AND PROPHECY Part 4 PAUL STATES IT IS ACCEPTABLE TO EAT FOOD SACRIFICED TO IDOLS AS LONG AS NO ONE SEES YOU DOING SO Part 5 PAUL SEEMS TO ALTER HIS BELIEFS AND WHATEVER ELSE IS NECESSARY FOR THE "SAKE OF THE GOSPEL". Part 6 PAUL TEACHES THAT A HUSBAND RULES OVER HIS WIFE Part 7 PAUL'S SUPPORT FOR MARRIAGE IS WEAK Part 8 PAUL WRITES OF HEARING DIVISIONS WITHIN THE CHURCH AND HOW THIS WAS NOT PROPER AND SHOULD STOP YET STATES THAT CHRISTAINS SHOULD FOLLOW PAUL Part 9 PAUL WAS OK WITH THE UNSAVED PREACHING THE GOSPEL Part 10 PAUL REFERS TO HIMSELF AS A SPIRITUAL FATHER THE MOST SERIOUS FALSE TEACHING OF PAUL Part 11 PAUL STATES THAT WOMEN SHOULD BE SILENT Part 12 PAUL IS OPPOSED TO WOMEN BEING ELDERS. THEREFORE HE IS OPPOSED TO WOMEN BEING SHEPHERDS/PASTORS. PART 13 PAUL'S FALSE BELIEF THAT THE RETURN OF JESUS WOULD TAKE PLACE WITHIN A HUMAN LIFETIME RESULTS IN HIM TEACHING AGAINST MARITAL SEX AND NORMAL EMOTIONS PART 14 PAUL STATES THAT HE IS A PERFECT CHRISTIAN CONCLUSION AND FINAL THOUGHTS
@@8784-l3b This is very interesting. I find most scriptures are contradictory not of themselves but in general. For example “no one can see God and live” but Moses seen God and so did Jacob and they lived. “No one can serve God because He is too holy” but he has servants. There are many more, I ask God why this is, the answer I received was because that was no one can claim they know God and boast about being right, to keep our egos in check. If we knew God the way we know any other man He would not be God. We can’t know Him. Who can search the mind of God? I have heard people say that of Paul’s letters, they have been altered, “filled in” or completely mistranslated. Now, I trust God and I always go to God and the scriptures in their entirety for my answers. I believe in the divine super natural powers of God because I have experienced them personally first hand, however when it comes to people teaching about the scriptures I’m always very carful because this is human teaching which can be full of errors just as humans are full of sins if they walk in their flesh. I try my best daily to walk in the Spirit, and this is where I learn best from the Lord and then I can confirm it with the scriptures. God is good and will not lead us astray.
@@InterwebUser-ps7ju I know some things, but I'm not a teacher. If there is such a thing. I wrote a short free essay on Deborah, should you wish a study. Read time: 12 minutes Jesus approved of a woman to be a Judge over Israel in the Old Covenant, with the authority to judge homicide cases. To believe that Jesus would strongly disapprove of a woman being an elder in the New Covenant, makes no sense whatsoever. This is all Paul. Paul gave himself the title of 'father', since he couldn't meet the qualifications of elder that he himself put forward. For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers... -excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV -words of Paul If one supports the qualifications of elder, as put forward by Paul, one MUST also accept that the title/position of 'father' is valid and proper in Christianity. Since this is also one of Paul's teachings. But the title of 'father' was expressly forbidden by Jesus. And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven. -excerpt Matthew 23 -words of Jesus A full post on this is available, as Part 10 (see above).
Men and women are equal. Then God said, “Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the livestock and over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth.” So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. -excerpt Genesis 1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. On the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them “mankind” on the day when they were created. -excerpt Genesis 5
I think, and I will say this with all reverence and respect to the most High, that it is a pity He did not literarily written down the scriptures and then hand it over to men directly. The idea of the scriptures being written by men inspired by God, is such of a problem, as we can see when it comes to the interpretation of scriptures; besides, we have the issue of difficult passages, and even some that seem to contradict others? It can be so confusing, as to who is or not correct? As finite beings, there is no way that we can have the absolute truth in matters pertaining to the scriptures we hold in our hands today. Then, what can we do about this, when there is so much doctrinal discrepancies amongst yourselves and the denominations. If we claim to stick to scriptures and not man, the problem still remains due to the difficult passages and those that often times can be seen as not lining up with each other. Something is not right or clear, or complete. May TMH help us, cause this one, and many other topics will be a question of unending debates and confusion.
This is why nature should be the authority opposed to the mythologies of man. Nature is much more accurate than a man that speaks/writes on the behalf of a mute deity. No god ever told us that anything that man has written was inspired by said god. Man told us that his inspired words are inspired by a god and we chose to believe that man. But no god ever verified. All man made god rely on man to speak/write on behalf of said god.
I humbly disagree. Here is what the Lord says: ”For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel After those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, And write them in their hearts: And I will be to them a God, And they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, And every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: For all shall know me, From the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, And their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.“ Hebrews 8:10-13 KJV ”Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you? Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.“ 2 Corinthians 3:1-6 KJV So even though the scripture is written it has been placed upon our heart. Gods commandments. I understand it may seem there are conflicting scripture but I assure there is not otherwise this would not be true… ”For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.“ 1 Corinthians 14:33 KJV Likewise this scripture as well would not be true if that is case… ”God is not a man, that he should lie; Neither the son of man, that he should repent: Hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?“ Numbers 23:19 KJV So since this is all TRUE we must concur that God is right and we are wrong in our understanding but have NO FEAR for God promises… ”If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.“ James 1:5-8 KJV Therefore I humbly encourage you to repent of your unbelief and wait on God. He has revealed to me and He will do to you as well if it is truly your hearts desire. God bless you.
@@gabrielaofgod1512 The scripture has not been placed on our hearts. We dont know nothing about scriptures until man gives us scriptures. This is why bible god relies on missionaries colonizers and slave masters to spread scriptures. Every thing in the scriptures is written by man. Anything beyond that is a belief. The bible is 2000 years old and there are still millions of humans who have never seen a bible. Billions ofnyumans have left this planet without ever having a chance to know that the bible exist. There is nothing divine about waiting on mam to get to your god. You cannot get god from man
@@marcodeoliveira3562 The bible well Paul PLAINLY states Women should keep quiet in the church and has no authority over man. But the berse you brought out says how we are all one with Jesus. So if we are all one, then why cant the healthy ladies teach men in church. If the healthy ladies cant teach men then we are not all one. You cant explain it. I cant explain it. You see no one is going to reply to you.
thank you you have made it easy for me to understand your statement and il do my best to try and make sense of it. to God we are all equal because spiritually we are capable of the same Grace,Power etc all spiritual Gifts are available to both men and women, however we are different because we were given Different Responsibilities, women were told to submit and men were told to love. but notice that these Requests were given for both men and women to manifest with each other each was given a specific task. now we all both men and women must Submit to God and must love God when it comes to God we are neither men nor women we all are expected to love and Submit to the Almighty God. i hope i was clear and made sense.
@@marcodeoliveira3562 If truly understood who were talkin to you would not try to tell me what a god wants. If you or any other human has to tell me what a god wants then I lose all respect for your god. Let your god speak for self. If your god needs you to speak on its behalf then your god is not worthy of my attention or energy. Show me the god that does not rely on the written and or spoken words of man
Corey, brother why do you focus so heavily on the Greek translation of the scriptures when the scriptures were written in Hebrew by men who received the Word of God by inspiration of the Holy Spirit? Why do you never mention the interpretation of the scriptures as received by revelation of the Holy Spirit; proving that you have been taught by the Spirit, if you indeed have been taught? You’re a man of much learning; having worldly knowledge, but you lack knowledge in spiritual things. Is not the Bible a spiritual book meant for those who are spiritual?
This isn’t a debatable issue. The Bible CLEARLY states that women are not allowed to be pastors. “Brother” Cliff is opposing The Word of God..how is he a brother?!
@@patrickbrowne4606 this is a difference of interpretation that I agree with Cliff on! You know Paul also said for women to not speak in the church, but many of these same guys say that's not what he really meant 😅 it's the opposite with me! I don't think Paul's instructions for that church at that time, was ever some mandate about a woman's role in the church! Just because he uses the creation order doesn't mean he was giving a mandate! I think some of these people are overly excited about something that's not even a sin! It's a matter of conviction in my opinion and God has indicted my heart on many a matter but not this one! So I think we're just a little off with our interpretation of what Paul was actually saying!
@@cochisecarter6298 This isn’t a matter of INTERPRETATION, friend! Paul clearly wrote that the office of a pastor (or any other leadership position in The Church) belongs to a man. Corey read several of the scriptures that show that in this video. The problem is that so many people are viewing these scriptures through a worldly lens..we know that outside of God’s Church women can hold leadership positions in practically any organization, and it’s not a problem. But this isn’t the world! And it IS a sin to oppose something that God has commanded..in fact, that is the DEFINITION of sin.
@patrickbrowne4606 God never commanded that it was Paul's opinion on the matter! It's how he described why he wouldn't allow it! He said,"I," not "the Lord," would not suffer! That is a matter of interpretation. Sin is an act of immoral behavior! God can use whomever he chooses to use to lead his people! He has displayed that throughout the Bible! Jesus, many times, did things that were thought forbidden by the law! God is no respected of persons, and he also looks at the heart, not appearances! I think men have purposely used this scripture to hold back women who are called and have the gift to lead! God will never equip you for something he doesn't intend for you to do! Even if his preference is for men to lead,it doesn't mean he wouldn't use a capable woman!
If you pull the cover from over your ears, you will realize brother Cliff has been compromised, cant switch and say something as crazy is this when you have been bulleye on everything else in scripture
For women to claim that women are equal etc, but to then turn around and basically say that teaching women and children isn’t enough ? That IS what they’re saying. Teaching just women isn’t as important. Women aren’t as important. If I can’t have authority specifically over men then it’s a useless position. They are being sexist against women!
We are to follow the Bible in all areas- so how do we distinguished between Women in authority in the workplace such as teachers, lawyers, judges professors and professional positions where they are in authority and what the Bible says about women teaching and having authority over men? It can’t be a double standard can it?
There is The Church and there is the world. Jesus clearly knew the world has its rules and understands we have to sometimes follow them, thus the render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. So it's not a double standard it is a Kingdom standard and a worldly standard. Let those with ears to hear, hear...🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
The world is secular as Scripture says satan is the god of this world so that's a reality yet even if a Christian happens to have a leadership role in the world she is not to assume she is to take over in God's True Church nor should she be in the world abusing her authority either.....
We must be careful with the scriptures. During Paul's times, women were subservient to man in every way. We live in modern times were women have more freedoms compared to previously. Paul said I would not permit women to speak. This is opinion. As it relates to leadership, that is different. There is no argument. He is stating fact. Man's natural order is to have authority.
In a kingdom there is hierarchy and there are duties and responsibilities for each person. Men and women are not equal and you cannot elect to switch roles as you please but you can assist one another. If women cannot submit themselves to the authority of their husbands then they should not get married in the first place. Feminism is cancerous
That's not true. Paul had high regards for women. He often mentioned them by name, as they accompanied and labored hard with him on his missions journey, planting churches. He mentioned these women by name. So, Paul wasn't a misogynist, as many people who support women in pastoral leadership, say, directly or indirectly.
@@steveh5206of course the audience and times matter! Are we still living the way they did 2000 years ago? Of course this has nothing to do with God's moral teachings so it's not this breaking of scripture that is being displayed here! Paul also said, "I suffer a woman not," not, " Not the Lord will suffer it not," and giving the creation order is simply him giving his reason for why he feels this way! It's foolish to say that sexism didn't play a role in modern times especially, as to why men have adopted this tainted view of this scripture! Many have used this scripture to hurt and hold back a women's ability to serve in the body and also to demean them! But Corey never talks about that because it would hurt the narrative he tries to paint! Oh, it's just the scripture no bias at all 😅give me a break smh
You can’t establish a doctrine with one scripture,you need at list three scriptures to do that,Paul was relating in language to that particular Geographical area,men were more into leadership positions than women in those days,you really don’t want to execute everything just the way it is written in the scripture cos at the end of the day you would have issues with Mike Tod using his spittle on someone’s eyes,it’s time we should remove bias from our use of scriptures,I don’t think God is an author of confusion to empower this powerful women of God I have known Or seen all around like the likes of Kathryn Khulman.Paul wasn’t Jesus or God,he might have had his biases too,he was a mortal man like Elijah and us,not perfect…….
You are also wrong! The Bible is the whole Word of God and as one receives revelation so do they operate. And your problem is that you are reading the Bible as an unbeliever would, and saying, but it only says this. The Bible is the complete word of God, and as you receive revelation so do you operate. But you are operating on head knowledge and not by revelation of the Spirit. I have 2 questions for you: 1) During Pentecost, did the Holy Spirit fall on just the men, or on both the men and the women? 2) And who is the one that teaches us all things? Is it the human being standing in front of you? Or the Holy Spirit inside the person that teaches us? Read the Bible by revelation of the Spirit and not like an unbeliever. The Holy Spirit fell on both the men and the women. And there is no male or female in Christ, for we are all one (Galatians 3:28) and it is the Spirit working in us. Women receive this revelation and run to fulfill your destiny in God. Do not allow any man to hinder the work of the Spirit through you. As you receive revelation by the Spirit so do you operate!
The Holy Spirit come upon men and women who repent and believe. This is a blessed thing. Hence, that's why it is one of the reasons Paul says women can prophesy and pray in the church. All, including women can share the Good News with strangers. Women exercising authority over a man, is a feminised cultural thing, it is not scripture!! God is a God of order. There are just certain roles best suited for the man, and certain roles for the women to fulfill. Once we remove our feelings aside, and stop fighting God's order. We will see even more, the beauty of God's design of his bride, with less spots and wrinkles on beautiful long dress.
@@PullThemOutTheFire so who is the teacher? The human or the Holy Spirit? And there are no feelings here. It is called revelation. It is not fighting God’s order. It is God Himself, revealing this from His Word, to His children, so they too can walk in their destiny! Deborah was a judge and a Prophetess that judged Israel for 40 years. And all Israel went to her for judgement. Even the military captain said he would not go to war if she did not go with her. A woman went to war and they won. Who made the Woman the judge? Was she fighting God’s order? That’s why I’m telling you it is called revelation. And people speak from their understanding. As you are doing now. You have only understood that much, just head knowledge, and so you speak. And also since you know so much, the bible never says brides. It says bride and wife-one. And Jesus the man, cannot marry a group of people including men, women and babies. It is against God’s basic definition of a marriage being between 1 man and 1 woman. And a man marrying other men is an abomination. I only said it, because you want to show that you know everything, but you do not. Just like the guy that made the video, it’s just head knowledge. But lack revelation from the Spirit. That’s why you both speak so.
@Mo_7077 the same could be said of you. You are talking from your own understanding, lacking knowledge, and if you are married with one husband, then you need to go back and learn from him, then come present a better case. You're basically saying. Anyone who disagrees with you here, is running on head knowledge? But yet we're the ones who need to humble ourselves lol right Moses delegated his authority to seventy elders, all men, thus continuing the ‘patriarchal’ structure. However, prophecy was a ministry of both men and women (Aaron’s sister, Miriam, is a specific example). Already there seems to be a distinction between the human authority inherent in an ‘office’ of leadership and the divine authority of a "revelation", whoever communicates it. To pass on a message from God (as he has given it, without expansion, explanation or application) is not seen as exercising leadership authority. When Moses ‘numbered’ Israel, only the men over twenty, able to serve in the army, were counted (Num 1:3, and even among them, those in their first year of marriage were excluded from service). The census totalled about six hundred thousand, instead of over two million, had women and children been included. It was never considered the responsibility of women to defend themselves or their families, in contrast to the modern Israeli army. This has a bearing on the case of Deborah, as you referenced. ‘Judges’ were raised up to deal with national defence (Jdg 2:16), but they had a moral as well as a military function, namely, to preserve that internal holiness that prevented external attack (Jdg 2:17-19). The later role was more prophetic than judicial. Their qualification was charismatic and they were not agents of centralised government (Gideon refused to found a royal dynasty, on the ground of divine ‘rule’, Jdg 8:22-23). However, in between averting external dangers, some judges settled internal disputes, among them Deborah who thus ‘judged’ (NIV ‘led’ is not helpful) Israel. Three facts about her are stated: she was a ‘wife’ (of ‘Flash’ Lappidoth), a ‘prophetess’ (passing on divine words) and she settled ‘disputes’. The impression is left of a Hebrew equivalent of the Delphic oracle; that she was able to bring an inspired word of wisdom or knowledge to bear on each case. Unlike other judges, she did not ‘lead’ when invasion threatened, but delegated (or, more accurately, the Lord delegated through her) this task to the man, Barak. He, with less than masculine courage or chivalry, insisted on taking her into battle, ensuring his forfeiture of the honour of victory (Jdg 4:6-9). Her triumphal song praised the Lord that the ‘princes’ (i.e. ruling men) ‘took the lead’, showing that her attitude was maternal (‘a mother in Israel’) rather than matriarchal. She was no Boadicea or Joan of Arc, in spite of the apparent shortage of strong men. A lot of people have supposed revelation that adds to, take away or totally contradicts scripture. And this is where heresy and cults all began!
@@PullThemOutTheFire you are just speaking from head knowledge, lacking revelation of scripture. No need to argue with you. You will soon find out the truth and will humble yourself for we are in the last days. No more of your men nonsense lording over women. When you learn the identity of the Holy Spirit you will all soon be shut up. No need to try tell you anything for you are all unteacheable prideful men who know nothing, and yet you want women to listen to you! And fact, Deborah was a woman. Deborah was a judge over all Israel for 40 years. And Deborah was a mother!!! And Deborah went to war with the coward male military leader.
@@PullThemOutTheFireAnd surely I won’t learn anything from a man that calls himself a bride. A bride is a woman. But if you and all the likes of you are under a strong delusion, and do not even know what a bride is. Why should women listen to you? And you yourselves are also claiming to be women. And Fact! Deborah was a woman! Fact! Deborah was a judge! Revelation by the Spirit! Not head knowledge!!! And it is the Spirit that teaches us all things. And may use any vessel, including a woman. It is not the man that should be teaching, but the Spirit inside the person.
Paul speaks for Bible God all throughout the New Testament. The other authors that speak for Bible God in the New Testament dont have the same amount of influence as Paul
@@oldschool5that is absolutely ridiculous sir! All of them are authoritative voices on the scriptures! This idea that the apostles weren't addressing their target audiences has got to stop! Furthermore, I think Paul was giving his personal perspective and opinion on the matter! Not some universal mandate for all time! Totally overblown and unnecessary with all the other serious problems we have facing the church!
@@cochisecarter6298 Who gave these voices authority? No god came down to verify any man speaking or writing on behalf of any god. That's the problem that the church is having. The concept of us subscribing to a deity that relies on the words of man have failed us all. Just because a man tells you that his written words are the words of a god doesnt mean that his written words are the words of a god....
The words otf "this God," as you say, are true! I know they are because he saved me when I was about to give up on life! Others tried and failed,but when I called on his name earnestly,he came into my mess of a life and saved me! So I know his word is true and that Jesus is who he says he is,because he has come into my life and is doing what he said he'd do! Are we messy with our understanding of certain text, yes we are,and we can debate about that! But Jesus being Lord over all, that is not a debate, that's the truth!!!
@@cochisecarter6298 The Arab says the same thing about Allah saving him from killing himself. I live in the DR and there are plenty authentic Dominicans and Haitians who have a similar story with their West African Deities. You act like Christians are the only ones who beat cancer and win the lottery. Thats cool and powerful that you found something to work for you but that doesn't make your god any more real than the next man's god. At the end of the day in reality, man speaks on behalf of all man made gods and that concept has failed us all.
I think that women should be in leadership in some way. Sometimes single women need guidance and doesn’t feel comfortable talking with a male. So how will she get her guidance?
Older women are required to lead women and children...the reason many females are lost in church because many women are trying to lead men instead of doing what Jesus required hence no guidance for the females or children
because He manifested Himself in three ways bro, God is God, Jesus had the spirit of God rest in Him and never sinned, then the literaly Holy Spirit of God, all revealing themselves at Jesus’ baptism
Scriptures delineate authority, roles, actions, knowledge, and communication between the Father, Son, and Spirit. If the God of the Bible were monolithic, He would be a liar and, therefore, not God.
I have watch quite a few of Cliff's videos and at times the things he says are way off. It doesn't align with the Word. Now these kinds of teachings are why the lines are blurred. No woman should want let a lone be in leadership over a man when it comes to the body of Christ. Women are the wealer vessel (very emotional) and the woman was the one deceived not man in the garden. Instead of being with God, these feminists want to be gods and hold the same stance, power, and authority as God. Why can't we just accept our rile and do what is pleasing in God's sight. The elser wen teaching the youngrr how to be a wife and mother, and teaching the children in the ways of the Lord. Enough is never enough nowadays. Everybody want to be famous and greedy for gain. And that is why we have so many children running reckless and rampant no kind of home training, no knowledge of God and Christ. They are literally being groomed for th graveyard and jailhouse. The generation of people are wordt than out ancestors. We have all the examples of the consequences of their choices to follow after what God and Christ instructs us not to but, what do we do run after them like our lives depend on them. 🤦🏾♀️ We need to do better because it's a heavy price to pay.
you wrote: No woman should want let a lone be in leadership over a man when it comes to the body of Christ. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
@@8784-l3b Deborah was a judge not a pastor but I digress. Thats not the same thing. Clesrly God gave her that position and who can contest against God? I surely won't.
@@sherritatabor1061 (In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has obvious meaning to the average person.) Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Some believe that pastor (or shepherd), is a position that was created in the New Covenant. This is not true. In the Old Testament shepherds are mentioned multiple times. Often in a negative way. “My people have become lost sheep; Their shepherds have led them astray. -excerpt Jeremiah 50 For an entire chapter on worthless shepherds, the reader may check out Ezekiel 34. When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2 Deborah, full essay read time: 12 minutes, free, postable
Amen sister Kim. This brother has been in my prayers; that the Lord convicts his heart on this subject and he is brought to repentance. Pride is a helluva drug.
@@steveh5206 Paul never taught that women were forbidden to be ministers of the faith, and nowhere in scripture is it ever stated that women are forbidden to be ministers of the faith. Paul wrote in mysteries that can only be discerned by the revelation and teaching of the Holy Spirit, and this was done on purpose by the power of the Holy Ghost. Just as Jesus spoke in parables, Paul also spoke in mysteries. God created male and female; Adam (man-kind), and the woman (man’s heart) was taken out of man and made from man. Man’s heart is the weaker vessel, not the female creation. So what Paul is referring to in his letters teaching that women are to be silent is that, we; men (male and female) are to not be led by the desires and intent of our hearts, but by the Holy Spirit. Male and female were created by God at the same time, and the female creation was not created after or from the male creation. This is a lie of religion and anywhere a lie and oppression is, the devil is the author. ”So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.“ -Genesis 1:27 KJV ”This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.“ -Genesis 5:1-2 KJV ”And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; and the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.“ -Genesis 2:21-23 KJV *Male AND Female: Adam (he; man, human, mankind).* *Woman: Heart (flesh; desires and intent of man).* Let us compare spiritual things with spiritual… Was Paul not speaking to all ‘men’ (mankind; male and female) in his epistles? And being led by the Holy Spirit; who is no respector of persons, was Paul making a clear distinction between genders when he wrote his letters, or was he speaking in a mystery concerning the church? Was he not exhorting believers not to present our flesh; that being the desires and intent of our hearts; being adorned having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof? For if we are led by the desires and intent of our heart (our flesh), we are deceived and will be led astray and will deceive others, therefore leading them astray. ”The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” -Jeremiah 17:9 KJV ”There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.“ -Galatians 3:28 KJV Paul was a Roman Jew, and because he was a Roman, he used certain epithets when addressing his audience who were also Greek and ‘some’ religious Jews. Just as Jesus spoke in parables, Paul spoke in mysteries that can only be discerned by the Holy Spirit. It is not written in the scriptures that Jesus or Paul ever taught or preached that females; women were ever to be segregated or separated from the males; men in Christ’s ministry, for all are one in Christ Jesus and God’s commandments apply to us all equally the same. When we allow the Holy Spirit to be our teacher and use scripture to interpret scripture instead of man’s own logic and wisdom, we gain the greater understanding of the teachings of the oracles of God, and leave no room for confusion. Where in the passage of scripture is it written that Jesus Himself made any distinction between females and males concerning roles in the ministry of Christ? It isn’t written, “Adam is a living soul,” but the woman which was made from Adam… What or who is she? Adam’s heart. ”And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.“ -1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV ”So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.” -Genesis 1:27 KJV ”This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.“ -Genesis 5:1-2 KJV ”And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; and the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.” -Genesis 2:21-23 KJV ”A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.“ -Ezekiel 36:26 KJV ”And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; and put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.“ -Acts 15:8-9 KJV ”Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.“ -1 Kings 8:61 KJV *We are all equals in the faith; male AND female, and whomever humbles themselves as like a little child shall be the greatest in the kingdom of Heaven, therefore humble thyself.* Male AND Female: *Adam* (he; man, human, mankind). Woman: *Heart* (flesh; desires and intent of man). May the Lord give you eyes to see and ears to hear the Truth, and set you free. God bless you brother. 🙏🏾🕊️💙
Love your channel but I’m with Cliff on this. Just cause there are some words not in the Bible doesn’t mean there still isn’t historical context behind what is happening and who Paul is writing too. In the case of all this women stuff Paul talks about, there is historical context to why Paul was saying these things. I believe that yes a role of a Senior Pastor must be a man and the church shouldn’t be runner by a women, but that doesn’t mean women can’t preach on accusations especially for instance when a women may know more about the Bible then say me. Like a women children’s pastor or youth or young adults. And we have many examples in the Bible of female prophets that God uses and those females were making prophecies to men
Some of the exceptions you cite, such as teaching women and children, do not differ from what Corey said. As for women prophets, you’re the one failing to account for context. In the New Testament, women prophesied in a private setting, never in the church. In the Old Testament, women became prophets only during times of apostasy when men failed to do the job. Your examples do not apply to the church.
It's amazing people ignore Elohim's order,His commands,decrees,His son Yeshua's commands and decrees which align with the Father,ignore the Apostles 'opinion'-which clearly says his opinion is as if Yeshua is speaking and when the consequences of sin and disobedience come to the family,church to bring them to repentance they says it's the enemy or demonic spirit coming against them. Careful people Romans:11 21-36..He did not spare the natural branches,he will not spare you either. There are many examples of God not accepting worship and praise because the people were still in sin and unrepentant Amos 5 21-23.His grace is upon us so that we can repent.Notbto call his grace a blessing so we can continue in sin.
Once again you sit and pass judgment Talk about helping the poor and helping the least instead of trying to put people down. That is what's wrong. You think you know more than anybody else 😢
Sorry Corey, you’re wrong on this… if these are “qualifications”, then Paul, Timothy and even the son of God himself would be disqualified as being an elder in any church. Yes, we cannot look and read things into the text. But also we cannot limit the understanding of the text according to our own interpretation. Just a little critical thinking and we can see how your view causes problems.
Paul gave himself the title of 'father', since he couldn't meet the qualifications of elder that he himself put forward. For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers... -excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV -words of Paul If one supports the qualifications of elder, as put forward by Paul, one MUST also accept that the title/position of 'father' is valid and proper in Christianity. Since this is also one of Paul's teachings. But the title of 'father' was expressly forbidden by Jesus. And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven. -excerpt Matthew 23 -words of Jesus A full post on this is available.
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Been watching Cliffe with my dad since I was a kid on TV here in CT. It has been so nice to see him, and now his son Stuart, gain a bigger worldwide audience via the internet. Anyone can be wrong from time to time 🤷🏼♂ I think it serves to remind us not to put our faith in any man's word, but in God's Word alone.
Very true🙏🏾
Great message here. We all get it wrong from time to time. That's why we look to the word of God first and foremost, then we won't go wrong or be deceived.
Yes and Amen
I Love Cliff and his son going to college campuses and talking about the Gospel, God , and Jesus Christ. But i disagree on this point. He's trying to adapt to the pressures of the feminist movement!
Great apologist but I agree he's definitely wrong on this one
On this one, he has gone beyond what is written in the scriptures. Thanks Corey for sharing this eith with sound biblical wisdom. God bless.
Exactly paul says these things are written for our learning and he also says we don't go beyond what is written
.Why is there such a problem in the church, when it's okay for women to be Managers & CEOs in the Business sector... 🤔
@@Morteeify because people are ignorant and take a few texts to a level that I don't even believe they were meant to be taken to.
Why do they have to labeled as a pastor, elder or bishop. Women can be evangelist we can still spread the good news if that is really our concern. My thoughts are it is all about money, these schools want to make more money because not to many men are going to seminary therefore the door is open to women and we ran with it! Know the tricks of the enemy!
Great points!
Amen....many churches especially evangelical ones as time went on had less men in attendance.... women attended sometimes due to tradition over personal relationship whereas the pastor's sadly saw an opportunity to keep career woman aka money pouring into the church by providing titles.....many initially knew women speaking over men is wrong but the money came from these females so it became a norm plus most so called pastors are weak in standing for Christ so the foolery continues now many can't turn back
So a true woman of God preaching the word of God is a trick of the enemy 🤔 the trick of the enemy is prideful men using a few scriptures taking them out of context to hold back women who God has clearly gifted to preach his word! God doesn't give us desires to disobey him! If he's gifted them to preach that's what they're meant to do! Where in scripture does it say God equipped someone for something that he didn't intend for them to do?
@cochisecarter6298 you obviously didn't read the comment correctly 😂
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You are raving and moving the goalposts like a typical wahman. The scriptures give qualifications on Church leadership that excludes femaIes. The trick of the enemy has always been empowering wahmen and disrupting Gods order since Eden.
I don’t think any true women of God would desire to lead.
The problem isn’t the desire to lead. The problem is the choice to take authority over men in the church.
@@ricksonora6656 we are pretty much saying the same think. I may have worded it wrong. What I’m saying is that any women being approached with opportunity of being pastor / lead, would not want it if she was a true women of God. I question any women in that position when there are men in the church.
@@ricksonora6656yes exactly. Women can lead women. Just not men
@@kaylasweet5431tel that to Esther who saved her own people. Get out of that religious foolishness
Not true my friend. Women have the same passions and desires as men do, but the scripture is what it is. Women can teach each other and learn from each other. As it is written in Titus. There is a place for all in the Kingdom of God and the Body of Christ. Grace and peace to you.
in the letter to timothy paul said i do not allow a woman to have authority over a man in the church or to teach a man in the church because (this is where he gives the reason ,so no other reasons matter ,except the ones given by paul )because the man was created first and the woman was deceived. this instruction to the church is given to protect the church from deception.i have noticed that many denominations that have a woman prophetess in their history have some form of deception in their doctrine
Straight foolishness smh so many men don't deceive according to you? Do you even watch Corey's channel? Because Paul gave his opinion on how the church at that time should run, that's a mandate to all churches for all time? Jesus never gave such an instruction nor did Paul say he did, but this is now a mandate?
Amen brother,thank you for cutting it straight!
Amen Brother Corey. God said… Is enough said . If anyone is confused or disagree with what God said . They need to take it up with Him .
Keep up the good work Sir Brother Cory, you are right. We need to stick with the Pastoral Scriptures
I agree with you Corey!
Yeah he was off on this Biblically!
Cliff is an amazing Christian Apologist, but he’s wrong about this one..
Thanks Brother Corey, you even validated this Verse that shows how he will be judged as a Teacher of the Church James 3:1
So then there should be no problem with a new convert assuming the role of a bishop/ pastor. No problem with a man who doesn't have his house in order assuming the role. And no problem with a mam with anger issues and lack of hospitality assuming the role. Oh oh and don't judge him if he has more than one wife either. Matter of fact don't judge if he has a husband or just a girlfriend he plans not to marry. Because remember God can use anybody!!
The scripture does address all this..
@@steveh5206 Sorry I'm not understanding what your trying to say here.
Nope word 1 Timothy 3:6
not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into condemnation incurred by the devil.
NASB
Read titus and the it says the woman are to to teach the other women
@@andrewgibson4132 Just to bring clarity to my comment I was being sarcastic. If you notice I intentionally listed what is already written requirements...my point was that if we are to dismiss that the role is for men only then we have to dismiss the rest of requirements. I'm in agreement with Cory.
@@andrewgibson4132he was being sarcastic lol so you just add to the original comment
Wait a minute Cliffe my dude nah, he’s mos def wrong on this one
Feel the same
Mos def! Haven’t heard anybody say that in years!❤❤
@@Hakuuna_Matatah I’m old lol
@@primeminister66Me too I guess! ❤
I love pastor Cliffe, even attended his church services since it's near me. However for this reason and a few others I decided against it.
I appreciate that atleast he’s honest
I do evangelism on the streets but I would never dare get up on the pulpit in the church to teach and lead a congregation. Here on Earth we mirror Gods relationship and hierarchy. He’s a God of order. He is a warrior. So as such, we have different offices and organizational structure, yet we are ONE. A army operates as one regardless if you are lieutenant or sergeant. Yes, one has more command than the other but it is that way because of qualifications. Men are qualified by God to be the head of the household/church. Women are the household/churches helpmeet. Which by no means is a “little” role! It’s a big deal to support such a big “operation”. Anyhow, just wanted to translate that into a different context. I was very prideful and it took me awhile to submit to Gods authority in that. But I repented and I am so happy. I am content and I shall not want. Jesus is enough for me.
PREFACE
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Nightowl, my dear brother
I am truly disappointed that you haven't broken Nikita as yet.
Two months ago you told me how close you were to total success.
I encourage you to discourage her as much as possible. She may
still do the right thing and take the coward's way out. These
animals are just mortal beings. They always have the luxury of
ending their miserable lives. We are immortal and superior.
We never give up or surrender. I'm still using Claws in Pergamum
where the Great King's throne is. I shouldn't have to send him
to help you, but if I must I must. Your failure with Nikita will
certainly be recorded into perpetuity. Something you don't
want and something I will distance myself from.
Encourage legalism. Our servants, the lawyers, were condemned by the Liar's son
harshly in the New Words:
But He said, “Woe to you lawyers as well! For you load people with burdens
that are hard to bear, while you yourselves will not even touch the burdens
with one of your fingers.
And even more:
Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge;
you yourselves did not enter, and you hindered those who were entering.”
The letter of the law kills, so let it do its job. Even the New Words say:
But we know that the law is good,...
So teach legalism. Teach that whatever a female speaks indoors
has more weight than if she speaks it outdoors.
Make sure "the pulpit" is a mystical place indoors,
in their phony religion. Call it a 'sanctuary', whatever that is. If a female does
speak from "the pulpit" be sure all in attendance know that she is only being
ALLOWED TO SPEAK BECAUSE A MALE ALLOWED IT.
It is still terrible, but at least it's something.
-your just and older brother Boltglue
I can't pronounce Cliff's surname either.
I agree with Corey on this one.
It’s pronounced Kin-neck-lee
@@DJChrisOTM Oh! Thank you very much 🙏😊
@@AngelaDavis-yz3xf You’re welcome 🙂
Good breakdown. I do like a lot of his videos, but he was wrong here. Context matters!
1:14; that’s a good point, thanks for sharing
God made male and female 🙌 🙏
What do you make of Romans 16:1-2?
1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.
The word "servant" in verse 1 is the same used for "deacon" in Paul's letter to Timothy, where he describes the various stations of men in the church. And "succourer" in verse 2 means a woman who is given charge over others; a female guardian; patroness (Blue Ltter Bible app).
Phoebe's role as a "servant" or "deacon" in Romans 16:1-2, while important, doesn't equate to her being a pastor or elder. The term "diakonos," used for Phoebe, typically refers to roles centered around service and support within the church, distinct from the teaching and spiritual leadership roles of elders or overseers outlined by Paul in 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1. Paul's specific qualifications for elders use masculine terms, suggesting a differentiation in roles. Therefore, Phoebe's commendable role as a deacon doesn't contradict Paul's teachings about pastoral and elder positions. Recognizing the diversity of service roles in the early church helps appreciate the contributions of both men and women without conflating different forms of leadership.
Does anyone know where is says it in the law? Can someone point me to the scriptures of what Paul was talking about when referencing the law on this matter? Thank you in advance 😊 another question, Chloe a woman whose home was being used as a church gathering, but was she to be silent in her own home? I’m trying to understand because there are so many women in the New Testament who would seem to be participating in the church. Acts 21:8-9 The 4 daughters of Philip who prophesied. Romans 16:7 Junia a fellow prisoner and apostle? (for what? Preaching maybe?) Romans 16:1-2 A servant of the church and they were charged with assisting her for whatever business she had need of. Romans 16:12 Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labored in the Lord. Greet the beloved Persis, who labored much in the Lord. (Doing what?)
Romans 16:3 Priscilla a fellow worker in Christ Jesus (doing what?) it also says in Acts 18:26 that When Aquila and Priscilla heard Apollos talking that they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. So was Pricilla explain and teaching the things of God more accurately to a man? These are just some questions that come to my mind when reading the scriptures and putting it together as a whole and not just picking one or two scriptures to learn from. Also Galatians 3:28 comes to mind There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” What does this mean then? I fully believe that women should not have authority over a man and shouldn’t tell a man how to be a man but God has used so many women especially in the OT to the epoint that a woman Judged all of Israel including men. I’m just trying to understand. Also I think that most men who are genuinely not in Christ like to say how “women are to be silent” and it sometimes sounds like they think God prefers men over women but that’s not true according to the scriptures God is not a respecter of persons. And men need to be very careful in how they feel about this because it could lead to a sinful thoughts or actions. May the Lord’s grace be with us all and His Holy Spirit guide us into all truth. 🙏🩵
@@InterwebUser-ps7ju Paul's instructions were for the church. Specifically for those positions mentioned, in the church. It was to establish order and structure in the church as God intended.
Help meat is what she was
@@chinonsoude Such as?
I agree with the elder's and pastors' perspectives, but we certainly have much to offer to the church. I am blessed and humbled to be a leader, but I also know I am not an elder, or a pastor, but I am an evangelist.
Do you mean evangelist as in someone who leads people to Christ at the store? As in a speaker who travels from church to church? As in a street preacher? Please clarify.
The scriptures spells out what role in the church women are supposed to have
Scripture is clear
Sister you'll never please the dogmatic views of some on this issue! They're like modern Pharisees all about "the law," but not that you may be leading someone to Christ smh I guess God will reject whoever you lead to Christ because you might have done it in a church smh how sad and foolish!
@@cochisecarter6298 NO ONE leads anyone to Christ... God draws people to Him- not man.
I didn’t want to watch this bcuz as a Christian, I’m tired of us pointing fingers. BUT, I think you have a great point here bcuz he wasn’t speaking off the top of his head as he went and had time to think. He, brother Cliff, was incorrect. This is a HUGE problem that has allowed the Feminist movement say men are sexist. God is Not sexist. This is exactly how our Church of God, Jesus, Christ whether it’s called Baptist or Christian or some other church is fractured. Small Satanic fractures he created to make us all go our way instead of just doing what the word says.
The natural order by GOD/YAHWEH/JESUS is men lead. That’s it. Cliff screwed that up and turned it into sexist.
GOOD JOB brother. I’ve seen probably every TH-cam Christian in some way or another be incorrect in preaching because satanic is sneaky and makes micro fractures and we can’t fill in those problems fast enough as human. Thankfully-
JESUS CHRIST. You’re awesome bro.
It is very dangerous to stop contending for the faith in exchange for the perception of unity.
All of the mainline churches and many of the evangelical churches have stopped contending for the faith because they were falsely accused of being divisive for daring to speak truth. Ungodly behavior is divisive, exposing it is not.
@@touchofgrace3217Potent observation; many churches that years ago used to stand for righteousness have compromised for the worldly culture in hopes to gain followers aka members, money etc yet reality is they didn't get anything and the church has become more lost than ever because Jesus doesn't bless confusion
@@touchofgrace3217 well said
Amen🕊️
This is such a burning topic for me lately. We are created in God's image and also in value but with different functions.
I find it interesting that for me, when I read Scripture, I see that a lead pastor or pastor should be male.
However, I also believe not all men are called to be pastors since there is a list of what a shepherd pastor should be. However, in the household, men are leaders in the church, and not all men are called to be leaders and overseers in the church.
Also, I think the argument is that we do need women in ministry as scripture calls it, but there are specifics, women leading women and children. We need this implemented back in our churches and stop ignoring what the scriptures say
Agree with you and definitely not all men are called to pastor/teach...that is not even hinted at in the Bible.
Many things in churches today are out of order because of humanities disobedience....the wrong men are calling themselves to ministry yet are not chosen by Christ... whereas women are leading men instead of teaching women and children which we can see this is y the younger generation is messed up
No you guys love to have it both ways! Paul also said a woman shouldn't even speak in church! But now it's okay for them to do that part 😅 smh
@@CCD_106well according to you guys logic it's exactly what it's saying 😅
@@cochisecarter6298So should we men put duct tape on womens mouth before they step in the church? Because that's what you're making it seem. Paul is saying women should not teach men. Nor speak as in at the pulpit as a pastor or head pastor. Now in some cases it will be necessary due to lack of "men" but pay attention such as Priscilla and Apollo pay attention he didnt know much of the gospel but Priscilla knew more than him so she "taught" him so he can have more knowledge so he can use to spread the gospel more accurately. She helped him and he went his way. Womens godly wisdom and guidance will help the men lead better. Very simple to understand.
Can Other women can be over other women? For example in my Bible study it is a woman who teaches.
Yes, women can have authority over women and children. And although someone like Alisa Childers or Melissa Daugherty should not teach men, they can teach in ways that men can seek and learn from.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
God bless you and yours brother Corey 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽men and women are not equal!!!!!! Is he a minister? And he is speaking on what he thinks and that has nothing to do with what God’s Word says. Key words we need to hear and learn to read between the lines. We think a lot of things, but that does not make it so. Stop twisting God’s Holy Word!!!!!!!!!! Thank you brother Corey for the teaching!!!!
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
I have a question, why do we not read 1 Timothy 2:12 in the same way we read 1 Corinthians 7:25-40.? Both can be argued as personal opinions of Paul he is stating to the church, as opposed to the order given in Titus when the qualifications of a Biblical leadership is established.
Paul made it very clear when he gave an opinion this was not one of those times.. the Lord spoke through Paul. The head of EVERY woman is the man the head if EVERY man is Christ and the head of Christ is God. This is a very distinct order. Woman can not be a pastor, teacher or leadership. The Elder women can teach the younger women as they are permitted to do. Also women can evangelize to the lost, testify, pray , prophesy, etc.
If they are just personal opinions, then you should do like Thomas Jefferson and take an X-acto knife to every passage that doesn’t say “this says the Lord.” Especially cut out that text about holy men of God being carried along by the Holy Spirit.
@@xprtsniperAmen
@@xprtsniperso nothing said was a reflection of the apostles opinions? They were just ventriloquist and had no personal opinions or views expressed in their writings?
@@cochisecarter6298 nope it was given by the Holy Spirit and they were used as vessels to write it. If you don’t believe that then you’re not in the faith. Jesus Christ Himself said to believe on Him as the scriptures said.
Reference:
2 Timothy 3:16-17
2 Peter 1:21
John 7:38
I think I am starting to come around to what you are saying in terms of order. The Bible does say that when GOD created Eve, HE says I will make him a help meet. It seems as though many people have taken the order that things are to be done in and drawn false conclusions about worth or value. I do believe that GOD wants us to use our minds, which HE has given us, to make decisions when there is not clarity in a specific area in HIS word. We are not to reason against HIS word, character, or revealed will, however.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
what is the name of the interlinear Greek and Hebrew scriptures computer program you use?
And the word bishop is masculine word
My husband always puts it as we are just living out our punishments that were given in Genesis 3. Its nothing wrong with what God said, once you realize that God did it for a purpose. It takes a bit of spiritual maturity honestly. I struggled with it for years but God helped me understand that its above me. And im okay with that
What punishments? When the word says he was bruised for our transgressions and beaten for our iniquities? We’re no longer under the curse of Adam as long as we follow Yahwehs instructions
@@jonathancarrington2330 well the evidence that we are still in that punishment is the birthing process. Women still have pain. Men still have the role of headship and have to work for their food. And satan is still condemned. Those are the vital punishments set in motion after the fall of man. The only thing that Jesus did away with when He was crucified was how we atone for our sins. We don't have to sacrifice animals anymore. He was and is the perfect sacrifice. He didn't come to negate everything that God gave us as the foundation, such as the ten commandments (Matthew 5:17) I hope that makes sense.
@@jonathancarrington2330 Jesus Christ connected us back to God, the Father. We're able to come to the Father because of the gift of grace that came from Jesus's sacrifice. The penalty for sin is still death. Death wasn't here until the fall and it is still present in our world. Jesus created a way of escape from assured damnation. That's what He was bruised for, so that our sins will be forgiven if we repent, turn away from sin and take up our cross to follow Him
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
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Also, neither the man nor the woman was cursed in Genesis.
I have a post on that.
Why do people think that all they have to do is say "I disagree"?
As if that somehow negates the Truth 🤦
Pride and Arrogance 💁
Amen Corey
I agree with Brother Cliff. Every scripture that speaks of a woman (Wife) being in submission to a man (husband) speaks to the institution of marriage. 1 Timothy 3:2 speaks of fidelity in marriage. Christ is the head of the church, His bride.
Amen and amen 🙏🏽 🙌🏽 👏🏽 ❤️
How do we follow the commandments of the Lord when He commanded us to share and teach? Matthew 28:19-20 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Evangelizing which is outside The Church and what was done by the woman at the well.🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Women are not supposed to teach or lead in the church..They can be prophetess,not deacons,elders,bishops, preachers,apostles. There are 11 prophetess in the Bible:Miriam,Deborah,Hulda,Isaiah 's wife,her name was never mentioned, naoida,Philip four daughters. 1 corinthians,1 Timothy 2, and Titus 3 speak on the does and don't of women in the Bible. Adam was created first not the woman.Anna is the other prophetess..Come on people stay with The Bible not MAN.
"HAVE AUTHORITY OVER AND TEACH OVER A MAN"
"TEACH WITH" OR "HAVE AUTHORITY WITH" IS SOUND.
EVE WORKED WITH ADAM NOT OVER ADAM.
SHE WAS HIS "HELP TO"
Does anyone know where is says it in the law? Can someone point me to the scriptures of what Paul was talking about when referencing the law on this matter? Thank you in advance 😊 another question, Chloe a woman whose home was being used as a church gathering, but was she to be silent in her own home? I’m trying to understand because there are so many women in the New Testament who would seem to be participating in the church. Acts 21:8-9 The 4 daughters of Philip who prophesied. Romans 16:7 Junia a fellow prisoner and apostle? (for what? Preaching maybe?) Romans 16:1-2 A servant of the church and they were charged with assisting her for whatever business she had need of. Romans 16:12 Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labored in the Lord. Greet the beloved Persis, who labored much in the Lord. (Doing what?)
Romans 16:3 Priscilla a fellow worker in Christ Jesus (doing what?) it also says in Acts 18:26 that When Aquila and Priscilla heard Apollos talking that they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. So was Pricilla explain and teaching the things of God more accurately to a man? These are just some questions that come to my mind when reading the scriptures and putting it together as a whole and not just picking one or two scriptures to learn from. Also Galatians 3:28 comes to mind There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” What does this mean then? I fully believe that women should not have authority over a man and shouldn’t tell a man how to be a man but God has used so many women especially in the OT to the epoint that a woman Judged all of Israel including men. I’m just trying to understand. Also I think that most men who are genuinely not in Christ like to say how “women are to be silent” and it sometimes sounds like they think God prefers men over women but that’s not true according to the scriptures God is not a respecter of persons. And men need to be very careful in how they feel about this because it could lead to a sinful thoughts or actions. May the Lord’s grace be with us all and His Holy Spirit guide us into all truth. 🙏🩵
@InterwebUser-ps7ju I would say he is referencing Jewish law which DEFINITELY banned women from priesthood. See Leviticus and also what the Bible says about women on their cycle...
@@InterwebUser-ps7juthere are other roles other than being a pastor they helped get things over and done
@@darrylmadlock2505 women can help and do works without speaking? being completely silent? I think men need to be carful when understanding this teaching and seek the Lord for His guidance on it. It seems that lots of men think that God prefers men over women when the scriptures say that God is not a respecter of persons and that there is neither male nor female in Christ. I agree that women should not be in leadership roles and take authority over men but for men to say that women should be completely silent goes against the entirety of the scriptures. This is a teaching that makes It is easy to men to fall into sinful thoughts or actions. May the Lord lead and guide us into all truth and understanding🙏
@InterwebUser-ps7ju I agree but respect of persons is salvation not role that they play
Gen 1:27 God created male and female. The Bible never tells us that man and woman are not equal. You have to also take your own advice and not add to the text by saying they are unequal or lesser than.
Also in the Bible there are many laws we don’t do today because we understand that they were applicable for that culture back then, due to context. So if we are allowed to use context for the rest of the Bible, you have to use context with Paul’s letter to Corinth. Even in study Bibles they point out woman were causing issues in the church. You can’t take scriptures out of context when you like.
A fraction or part is not equal to the whole, Read Gen 2:7-8,15-23, 3:9-13,16-20, 1 Cor 11:3-12, Eph 5:22-28
I like that‼️
Respectfully, you need to study your Word as well. The laws that you are referring to that were applicable to the "culture back then" were called the Mosaic Laws. The reason they were created was because of the actions of Jewish people at that time when it comes to God, but Jesus' birth, death, and resurrection had a lot to do with why they are not applicable any more. It would take me too long to go into all of that in a comment. Look it up.
The instructions that Paul was issuing to the Body of Christ (Church) happened in a completely different time period and under completely different circumstances, so comparing the laws of the Old Testament to the instructions in the New Testament are like comparing apples and oranges. You just need to do a little research.
Corey is correct in saying that men and women are not equal. You are just taking it in the context of the "lesser than" as you stated. Women are not lesser than men, and men are not greater than women, but they are not equal. Being equal would imply that there is no difference between the two. There are a plethora of books written to suggest otherwise. You need to stop taking it as a knock on women or putting them down. We are equally loved and accepted by God. I hope that this could clear the subject up a little for you. God bless.
@@CC-mp7id God made us in spirit first before he gave us bodies which is what was said in Gen 1:27. He made woman from our flesh but doesn’t mean she is lesser than or not equal. It never says that. You guys imply that which is fine but don’t call someone else out for implying something different.
@@Warrior4God64 4+6=10 5+5=10 they are equal but different. Context, woman shouldn’t speak during church Paul. Paul said that 1 Cor 14:34. He said it was the law in that scripture, but in context that was their culture. New testament, there are more things in the new testament we can’t take literal and we have to discern what the Holy Spirit wanted revealed to us when we study. I don’t want to argue just saying, Paul wrote that with context to that church. He ministered with woman which he references in other books.
Genesis 1:26-28 KJV
[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. [27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. [28] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Please explain the "Them" in Genesis 1.
Fact 1: the New Testament Scriptures are 27 books to 27 audiences, and each target audience was unique and therefore the message and intent were similar, but there are nuances. And yes, I fully understand and wholeheartedly agree that the Holy Spirit is the inspiration behind all Scripture. But the Holy Spirit was always addressing a real-life problem involving the people of God. Now, that the first fact is out of the way...Fact 2: the Bible, while certainly written for us, was not written "to" us. As much as we want to "narci-gete" ourselves into the Scriptures, none of the NT books open with "grace and peace to the saints in the USA" or words to that effect.
Now, there is no question about what Paul said, the only question should be why was it said? I contend that 1st Timothy 2:12 is written in light of certain historical issues that were present in that context, likely false teaching (1 Tim 1:3). Every serious Bible student knows that there are plenty of things in the Bible that are merely descriptive, not prescriptive. I believe 1st Timothy 2 was descriptive given the clear concern about false teaching alluded to in the third verse of the book. The reference to the creation merely asserts that for Timothy and the saints in Ephesus in AD 65, Paul's words were binding as the creation order would never change.
Having said all that, we are called to minister to the Spirit, not to the letter. Why? Because the letter kills but the Spirit gives life. Today, women most likely make up 75% of the people sitting in the pews. Is it really that far-fetched that a woman feels God has called her to preach? Lastly, if 1st Timothy 3 are "qualifications" for ministry, then none of us qualify to include Paul because none of us are above reproach without the grace of God. They are character traits that a person should exhibit before laying hands on a person for ordination purposes.
God bless you sir you're speaking the truth on this matter in my opinion 🙏🏿 I don't think God ever equipped people to be able to do something he'd then want them not to do! Most of these people don't seem to understand or desire to understand, anything that challenges their dogmatic view of those scriptures! They pretend as though the apostles were ventriloquist and weren't allowed the freedom to express their own views to an extent on these matters! That is truly ridiculous! Then if you completely adhere to what they're saying we should adhere to,then Paul's restrictions on women are far more problematic for them to explain away! Why do they dismiss some and choose to accept others! Paul was also a traditionalist,so to think none of this went into his writings is just the height of being disingenuous or flat out ignorant!
@brijenell0201
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
In the New Testament, didn't some of the women who were friends of Paul have churches in their homes? I can't quite remember.
Does anyone know where is says it in the law? Can someone point me to the scriptures of what Paul was talking about when referencing the law on this matter? Thank you in advance 😊 another question, Chloe a woman whose home was being used as a church gathering, but was she to be silent in her own home? I’m trying to understand because there are so many women in the New Testament who would seem to be participating in the church. Acts 21:8-9 The 4 daughters of Philip who prophesied. Romans 16:7 Junia a fellow prisoner and apostle? (for what? Preaching maybe?) Romans 16:1-2 A servant of the church and they were charged with assisting her for whatever business she had need of. Romans 16:12 Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labored in the Lord. Greet the beloved Persis, who labored much in the Lord. (Doing what?)
Romans 16:3 Priscilla a fellow worker in Christ Jesus (doing what?) it also says in Acts 18:26 that When Aquila and Priscilla heard Apollos talking that they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. So was Pricilla explain and teaching the things of God more accurately to a man? These are just some questions that come to my mind when reading the scriptures and putting it together as a whole and not just picking one or two scriptures to learn from. Also Galatians 3:28 comes to mind There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” What does this mean then? I fully believe that women should not have authority over a man and shouldn’t tell a man how to be a man but God has used so many women especially in the OT to the epoint that a woman Judged all of Israel including men. I’m just trying to understand. Also I think that most men who are genuinely not in Christ like to say how “women are to be silent” and it sometimes sounds like they think God prefers men over women but that’s not true according to the scriptures God is not a respecter of persons. And men need to be very careful in how they feel about this because it could lead to a sinful thoughts or actions. May the Lord’s grace be with us all and His Holy Spirit guide us into all truth. 🙏🩵
Does anyone have a link to the full video from cliff? Thanks !
I know that you are well read sir.
.but Why is everyone "vilifying" Female Pastors & Bishops...the Bible, specifically states in Galatians 3:28 there is neither "Male nor Female", when it is comes to "Spiritual" things......C'mon Man ! we need to get over it....🤔
Or we need to learn how to read Scripture in context and be obedient to the Word of God. Yeah... we could also do that.
@@SlaveofChristourLordandSavior...OK..so what's your understanding of Galatians 3:28 as it applies to women.
Does anyone know where is says it in the law? Can someone point me to the scriptures of what Paul was talking about when referencing the law on this matter? Thank you in advance 😊 another question, Chloe a woman whose home was being used as a church gathering, but was she to be silent in her own home? I’m trying to understand because there are so many women in the New Testament who would seem to be participating in the church. Acts 21:8-9 The 4 daughters of Philip who prophesied. Romans 16:7 Junia a fellow prisoner and apostle? (for what? Preaching maybe?) Romans 16:1-2 A servant of the church and they were charged with assisting her for whatever business she had need of. Romans 16:12 Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labored in the Lord. Greet the beloved Persis, who labored much in the Lord. (Doing what?)
Romans 16:3 Priscilla a fellow worker in Christ Jesus (doing what?) it also says in Acts 18:26 that When Aquila and Priscilla heard Apollos talking that they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. So was Pricilla explain and teaching the things of God more accurately to a man? These are just some questions that come to my mind when reading the scriptures and putting it together as a whole and not just picking one or two scriptures to learn from. Also Galatians 3:28 comes to mind There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” What does this mean then? I fully believe that women should not have authority over a man and shouldn’t tell a man how to be a man but God has used so many women especially in the OT to the epoint that a woman Judged all of Israel including men. I’m just trying to understand. Also I think that most men who are genuinely not in Christ like to say how “women are to be silent” and it sometimes sounds like they think God prefers men over women but that’s not true according to the scriptures God is not a respecter of persons. And men need to be very careful in how they feel about this because it could lead to a sinful thoughts or actions. May the Lord’s grace be with us all and His Holy Spirit guide us into all truth. 🙏🩵
@@InterwebUser-ps7ju...Corey and others that "Oppose" females as Pastors or Bishops are doing satan's bidding,.. trying to get women to "abort" their God-Given ministry. The word clearly says that all Christian "male & female" are a Royal Priesthood, a Holy people, a Chosen Generation...
@@Morteeify Simply put we're all one in Christ (one body) however that does not mean we all have the same functions, abilities and roles. In the gathering of the saints (church) the role of the elders, pastors, deacons, bishops is solely for the men who meet the qualifications given in scripture (1 Timothy 3, Titus 1-2, Romans 12:7). This does not take away from women's roles, functions and abilities in the church. Scripture says women can teach and have authority but it can't be over men (in the church), women can teach the younger women and of course children (Titus 2:3-5 "The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.")
The more we look at Galatians 3 as a whole it has nothing to do with roles in the church or who can have authority or not. It is simply about how we live by faith and because we live by faith we are hiers of the promise given to Abraham.
I hope that helps have a blessed day and may The Lord Jesus Christ bless you. 🙏🏾
Pastor no, teach yes
I wish this channel applied the same biblical study when it comes to the Bible saying the earth is not a globe
I watched another vid with cliffe on this subject I didn’t agree with. The other guy with him stated something false also saying the word pastor isn’t in the Bible regarding women being pastors. Yet it is. I follow cliffe and his Channel. I rock with them but they are wrong on this subject.
Indeed
Yeah we love brother Cliffe and I also disagree with him here. The other guy is his son by the way
@@njabulo. cool
Thanks for going really slow and stopping as soon as there is a saying that is NOT biblical. I do agree, we will see more of this as time goes on. In Gen. 3:16, why does the word say it shall be your desire for your husband but he will rule over you? The English word "desire" sounds like she wants the man or wants to get along with him. She doesn't. Why would a man have to rule over someone who is on the same page as him?
Lovely apologist but my issue is this. If your wrong intentionally on one issue what other issues are you wrong about that the body don't know about. People inevitably reveal themselves this way
That's a thought...
Yes! Behind bad interpretation lies bad hermeneutics, and bad hermeneutics inevitably lead to more errors.
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i dont think any of these titles matter as much as mankind loves to make them
God bless you 🙏🏿 I agree it's foolishness and God would much rather have us dealing with real issues concerning and plaguing the church!
I really like listening to bro Cliff but my question to him would be, "at what point is it ok for his wife to be the head of his house?' I would ask respectfully just seeking how he would answer.
Respectfully!!
Has nothing to do with the head of the house this has to do with preaching the word! Most people don't even qualify to preach, but does that mean God won't use and work with who's avaliable? He's only done it throughout the entire Bible!
She testified
please elaborate on this scripture
Did he do his trademark pose?
I saw that movie with Barbara Streisand that was a good movie. I wanna go to school learn.
Corey I’m gonna tell your wife that you think you rule over her. Then she’s gonna take away your phone. Lol!
Tell her to make him grow hair for punishment 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@darrylmadlock2505 hahaha!!!
It was customary for only men to be rabbis in Jewish culture. Maybe the women didn’t even go to synagogue and this new freedom to attend, as Christianity was for male and female, needed to have rules of conduct in church. I personally don’t have a problem with male headship, as commanded by God. It’s a big responsibility for a man, but if he does it biblically, it works.
I think he's a great apologist and teacher but I think he's wrong about this. I've encountered other pastors who (seem to have) everything else right but fall short in this category specifically (sometimes another). Are they disqualified to teach?
Can you use the argument that Paul said women should not be permitted to speak under subjection to the law? I don’t think that would apply since you’re not under the law anymore. Just looking for some understanding and growing.
Part 11
PAUL STATES THAT WOMEN SHOULD BE SILENT
As in all the churches of the saints, the women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.
-excerpt 1 Corinthians 14
In this matter Paul speaks of the 'law'. There is a small possibility that he is
referring to a Roman or local law. If not, then Paul is stating that Christian women were
still under the Old Covenant laws.
Yet there was no Old Covenant law that states that women should be silent.
Then the daughters of Zelophehad...came forward. They stood before Moses, before Eleazar the priest, before the leaders, and all the congregation at the entrance of the tent of meeting, saying, “Our father died in the wilderness, yet he was not among the group of those who gathered together against the Lord, in the group of Korah; but he died in his own sin, and he had no sons. Why should the name of our father be withdrawn from among his family simply because he had no son? Give us property among our father’s brothers.” So Moses brought their case before the Lord. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The daughters of Zelophehad are right about their statements. You shall certainly give them hereditary property among their father’s brothers...
-excerpts Numbers 27
These women were not rebuked, even though they spoke before everyone, including Moses.
What they asked for was granted to them, because God agreed with them.
Cliff is just a nice guy. He couldnt bring himself to telling a muslim that allah is a false god
Me : in my family the boys will do these things for the family and the daughter's will do these for the family.
Some of my children: you can't believe dad really meant that, like literally.. i mean it's obvious the daughter's can do what we are told to do and we can do what the daughter's are told to do, soooooo
I mean follow the rules, it's easy...
I guy Cliff! … but he trippin …
Yes I do
He is so wrong…I’m surprised. I like the guy. Never knew his church ran that way.
Yeah I like the work he does but I agree that he’s wrong on this one. Well Paul corrected Peter. Maybe he’ll see this video.
I know you talk a lot about women not being in leadership roles in the church. Can you go a little more in-depth of what the negative affects can be, and are. I fully agree. Women are not supposed to because the word of God says so. Thank you Mr. Corey.
(not this channel)
Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman
can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
Hi, Corey. You have brilliantly misrepresented Cliff in this video on most things, especially when he talks about M&W being equal. Cliff is saying M&W R equal in God's sight.
Yeah I like Cliff but he’s just dead wrong here, it’s likely he was raised around and brought up in a church that allowed that so he would really be stirring the pot to come out against it but he should.
I love Cliff confronts a lot of questions I get hit with today. And a lot of what he speaks is true from the Bible. However, when he talks about women elders and teachers in the church, I do cringe. 😬 although, I know why he does it because he says it over and over and it is true. Women are not seen as equals in this western society but have the same opportunities afforded them if they so choose. And yes men and women are very different and yes we have a penis which is circumcised or not but why does the scriptures use words that pertain to the male and not the female? Just an observation. Even though Paul speaks of circumcision of the heart. Romans 2:25-29 regarding the letter of the law and those who do not keep the law vs those who do. So if the word of God is our law we should keep it and not exceed it under no circumstances not even exceptions because those exceptions leads to horrible consequences when we don’t wait on the LORD. And trust me if you are for God you will agree with him and if you disagree with him, well you know where your heart is. Revelation 3:15-16 speaks about being for God (Hot) or not (cold) for God. Because you speak of Him with your lips but your heart is far from Him. Jesus said those who do the will of my father are my brothers and sisters and mother. And though we are all one in the body of Christ we are but different members of the body that serve in a different way. The arm can not be the nose, and nose can not be an ear. Equally useful but yet different.
You don’t see any women in the Bible preaching to men
What about the woman at the well telling all the men in the town? or what about Mary telling about Jesus’s resurrection to the men? She was technically the first the share the good news lol how can we obey the Lord’s commandments of “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” And “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” ?
@@InterwebUser-ps7ju
The women you speak of, which we highly respect, were obeying Jesus command for both male and female to evangelize, share the Good News, this is a good thing. However, evangelizing is something totally different from pastoral leadership, an office exclusive to men, with 46 XY chromosomes.
@@PullThemOutTheFire Oh I wasn’t talking about women in leadership I completely agree that women should not be in authority above men. I trust God but to say that women should not speak at all is somewhat contradictory of the scriptures when all throughout the New Testament there are women working in the faith and in the churches. We see God using women even in the Old Testament as well. I also think men need to approach this teaching very carefully because it seems that men tend to think God prefers men over women and that could lead men to have sinful thoughts and actions over this teaching but the scriptures are clear that God is not a respecter of persons. I pray God leads us into all understanding and truth 🙏
@InterwebUser-ps7ju
Okay I see what you're saying. Yes, I agree...men who say women cannot speak at all, needs to examine their own hearts. We are equals, just with distinct roles :) 🙏 ❤️
@@InterwebUser-ps7ju they can just as long as it's not in a church because we know that if a woman preached a message that led to people committing to Christ that would be a terrible thing smh well that's according to these guy's logic which is completely illogical! God is more concerned with gender than salvation according to their dogmatic ideology on this issue
I love cliff too, but I’ve had to disagree with a few things he’s said. He told one gay man he totally supports his right to gay marriage and to marry whoever he lives etc but that he thinks it’s a sin. Ok if it’s a sin, and it is, how can you support anything having to do with that? Seems contradictory and confusing for unbelievers. I’m a believer and it confuses me!
I haven't seen that video, but I think Cliffe was saying that the person has the personal and social right/agency to do whatever... but it's still a sin at the end of the day... I don't think Cliffe was affirming or supporting the action, but being polite/nice to the person.... he tends to take a polite approach to apologetics, which has its strengths and weaknesses.
Does anyone know where is says it in the law? Can someone point me to the scriptures of what Paul was talking about when referencing the law on this matter? Thank you in advance 😊 another question, Chloe a woman whose home was being used as a church gathering, but was she to be silent in her own home? I’m trying to understand because there are so many women in the New Testament who would seem to be participating in the church. Acts 21:8-9 The 4 daughters of Philip who prophesied. Romans 16:7 Junia a fellow prisoner and apostle? (for what? Preaching maybe?) Romans 16:1-2 A servant of the church and they were charged with assisting her for whatever business she had need of. Romans 16:12 Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labored in the Lord. Greet the beloved Persis, who labored much in the Lord. (Doing what?)
Romans 16:3 Priscilla a fellow worker in Christ Jesus (doing what?) it also says in Acts 18:26 that When Aquila and Priscilla heard Apollos talking that they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. So was Pricilla explain and teaching the things of God more accurately to a man? These are just some questions that come to my mind when reading the scriptures and putting it together as a whole and not just picking one or two scriptures to learn from. Also Galatians 3:28 comes to mind There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” What does this mean then? I fully believe that women should not have authority over a man and shouldn’t tell a man how to be a man but God has used so many women especially in the OT to the point that a woman Judged all of Israel including men. I’m just trying to understand. Also I think that most men who are genuinely not in Christ like to say how “women are to be silent” and it sometimes sounds like they think God prefers men over women but that’s not true according to the scriptures God is not a respecter of persons. And men need to be very careful in how they feel about this because it could lead to a sinful thoughts or actions. May the Lord’s grace be with us all and His Holy Spirit guide us into all truth. 🙏🩵
I post on these matters. Men and women are equal.
Reply if desired.
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Part 11
PAUL STATES THAT WOMEN SHOULD BE SILENT
As in all the churches of the saints, the women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.
-excerpt 1 Corinthians 14
In this matter Paul speaks of the 'law'. There is a small possibility that he is
referring to a Roman or local law. If not, then Paul is stating that Christian women were
still under the Old Covenant laws.
Yet there was no Old Covenant law that states that women should be silent.
Then the daughters of Zelophehad...came forward. They stood before Moses, before Eleazar the priest, before the leaders, and all the congregation at the entrance of the tent of meeting, saying, “Our father died in the wilderness, yet he was not among the group of those who gathered together against the Lord, in the group of Korah; but he died in his own sin, and he had no sons. Why should the name of our father be withdrawn from among his family simply because he had no son? Give us property among our father’s brothers.” So Moses brought their case before the Lord. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The daughters of Zelophehad are right about their statements. You shall certainly give them hereditary property among their father’s brothers...
-excerpts Numbers 27
These women were not rebuked, even though they spoke before everyone, including Moses.
What they asked for was granted to them, because God agreed with them.
@@8784-l3b What could have Paul meant?
@@InterwebUser-ps7ju
We don't know for sure. I've looked at several teachings of
Paul. He doesn't come out well. Another example is below.
Then the Table of Contents for my informal essay, if you
want to read more on this matter.
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Part 3
PAUL CONTRADICTS HIS OWN TEACHING ON TONGUES AND PROPHECY
So then, tongues are for a sign, ..to unbelievers;
...and all the people speak in tongues, and ...unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are insane?
...but prophecy is not for unbelievers, but for those who believe.
But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever ...enters...so he will fall on his face and worship God...
In the Law it is written: “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, and even so they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord. So then, tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is not for unbelievers, but for those who believe. Therefore if the whole church gathers together and all the people speak in tongues, and outsiders or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are insane? But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an outsider enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all; the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you.
-excerpt 1 Corinthians 14 NASB
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Top suggestions if any reader should wish a study:
Part 10 The most serious false teaching of Paul.
Part 1
Part 2
(This entire informal essay is too long to be pasted
up all at once.)
TABLE OF CONTENTS OF:
PAUL
HIS FALSE, CONTRADICTORY, AND CONFUSING TEACHINGS
INTRODUCTION
Part 1 PAUL'S CONVERSION STORY
Part 2 PAUL INSTRUCTS/ORDERS TIMOTHY TO BE CIRCUMCISED
Part 3 PAUL CONTRADICTS HIS OWN TEACHING ON TONGUES AND PROPHECY
Part 4 PAUL STATES IT IS ACCEPTABLE TO EAT FOOD SACRIFICED TO IDOLS
AS LONG AS NO ONE SEES YOU DOING SO
Part 5 PAUL SEEMS TO ALTER HIS BELIEFS AND WHATEVER ELSE IS
NECESSARY FOR THE "SAKE OF THE GOSPEL".
Part 6 PAUL TEACHES THAT A HUSBAND RULES OVER HIS WIFE
Part 7 PAUL'S SUPPORT FOR MARRIAGE IS WEAK
Part 8 PAUL WRITES OF HEARING DIVISIONS WITHIN THE CHURCH
AND HOW THIS WAS NOT PROPER AND SHOULD STOP
YET STATES THAT CHRISTAINS SHOULD FOLLOW PAUL
Part 9 PAUL WAS OK WITH THE UNSAVED PREACHING THE GOSPEL
Part 10 PAUL REFERS TO HIMSELF AS A SPIRITUAL FATHER
THE MOST SERIOUS FALSE TEACHING OF PAUL
Part 11 PAUL STATES THAT WOMEN SHOULD BE SILENT
Part 12 PAUL IS OPPOSED TO WOMEN BEING ELDERS.
THEREFORE HE IS OPPOSED TO WOMEN BEING
SHEPHERDS/PASTORS.
PART 13 PAUL'S FALSE BELIEF THAT THE RETURN OF JESUS WOULD TAKE
PLACE WITHIN A HUMAN LIFETIME RESULTS IN HIM TEACHING
AGAINST MARITAL SEX AND NORMAL EMOTIONS
PART 14 PAUL STATES THAT HE IS A PERFECT CHRISTIAN
CONCLUSION AND FINAL THOUGHTS
@@8784-l3b This is very interesting. I find most scriptures are contradictory not of themselves but in general. For example “no one can see God and live” but Moses seen God and so did Jacob and they lived. “No one can serve God because He is too holy” but he has servants. There are many more, I ask God why this is, the answer I received was because that was no one can claim they know God and boast about being right, to keep our egos in check. If we knew God the way we know any other man He would not be God. We can’t know Him. Who can search the mind of God? I have heard people say that of Paul’s letters, they have been altered, “filled in” or completely mistranslated. Now, I trust God and I always go to God and the scriptures in their entirety for my answers. I believe in the divine super natural powers of God because I have experienced them personally first hand, however when it comes to people teaching about the scriptures I’m always very carful because this is human teaching which can be full of errors just as humans are full of sins if they walk in their flesh. I try my best daily to walk in the Spirit, and this is where I learn best from the Lord and then I can confirm it with the scriptures. God is good and will not lead us astray.
@@InterwebUser-ps7ju
I know some things, but I'm not a teacher. If there is
such a thing.
I wrote a short free essay on Deborah, should you wish
a study. Read time: 12 minutes
Jesus approved of a woman to be a Judge over Israel in the Old Covenant,
with the authority to judge homicide cases. To believe that Jesus would
strongly disapprove of a woman being an elder in the New Covenant,
makes no sense whatsoever. This is all Paul.
Paul gave himself the title of 'father', since he couldn't meet the qualifications
of elder that he himself put forward.
For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers...
-excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV
-words of Paul
If one supports the qualifications of elder, as put forward by Paul, one
MUST also accept that the title/position of 'father' is valid and proper in
Christianity. Since this is also one of Paul's teachings.
But the title of 'father' was expressly forbidden by Jesus.
And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
-excerpt Matthew 23
-words of Jesus
A full post on this is available, as Part 10 (see above).
can women teach outside church?
Men and women are equal.
Then God said, “Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the livestock and over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth.” So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
-excerpt Genesis 1
This is the book of the generations of Adam. On the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them “mankind” on the day when they were created.
-excerpt Genesis 5
I think, and I will say this with all reverence and respect to the most High, that it is a pity He did not literarily written down the scriptures and then hand it over to men directly. The idea of the scriptures being written by men inspired by God, is such of a problem, as we can see when it comes to the interpretation of scriptures; besides, we have the issue of difficult passages, and even some that seem to contradict others? It can be so confusing, as to who is or not correct? As finite beings, there is no way that we can have the absolute truth in matters pertaining to the scriptures we hold in our hands today. Then, what can we do about this, when there is so much doctrinal discrepancies amongst yourselves and the denominations. If we claim to stick to scriptures and not man, the problem still remains due to the difficult passages and those that often times can be seen as not lining up with each other. Something is not right or clear, or complete. May TMH help us, cause this one, and many other topics will be a question of unending debates and confusion.
This is why nature should be the authority opposed to the mythologies of man. Nature is much more accurate than a man that speaks/writes on the behalf of a mute deity.
No god ever told us that anything that man has written was inspired by said god. Man told us that his inspired words are inspired by a god and we chose to believe that man. But no god ever verified. All man made god rely on man to speak/write on behalf of said god.
I humbly disagree. Here is what the Lord says:
”For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel After those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, And write them in their hearts: And I will be to them a God, And they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, And every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: For all shall know me, From the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, And their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.“
Hebrews 8:10-13 KJV
”Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you? Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.“
2 Corinthians 3:1-6 KJV
So even though the scripture is written it has been placed upon our heart. Gods commandments. I understand it may seem there are conflicting scripture but I assure there is not otherwise this would not be true… ”For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.“
1 Corinthians 14:33 KJV
Likewise this scripture as well would not be true if that is case…
”God is not a man, that he should lie; Neither the son of man, that he should repent: Hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?“
Numbers 23:19 KJV
So since this is all TRUE we must concur that God is right and we are wrong in our understanding but have NO FEAR for God promises…
”If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.“
James 1:5-8 KJV
Therefore I humbly encourage you to repent of your unbelief and wait on God. He has revealed to me and He will do to you as well if it is truly your hearts desire. God bless you.
The .most important thing is to trust in Jesus and his resurrection!
@@gabrielaofgod1512 The scripture has not been placed on our hearts. We dont know nothing about scriptures until man gives us scriptures. This is why bible god relies on missionaries colonizers and slave masters to spread scriptures.
Every thing in the scriptures is written by man. Anything beyond that is a belief. The bible is 2000 years old and there are still millions of humans who have never seen a bible. Billions ofnyumans have left this planet without ever having a chance to know that the bible exist. There is nothing divine about waiting on mam to get to your god. You cannot get god from man
@@cochisecarter6298 According to who
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus
Contradiction
@oldschool5 what do you mean, can you kindly elaborate
@@marcodeoliveira3562 The bible well Paul PLAINLY states Women should keep quiet in the church and has no authority over man. But the berse you brought out says how we are all one with Jesus.
So if we are all one, then why cant the healthy ladies teach men in church. If the healthy ladies cant teach men then we are not all one.
You cant explain it. I cant explain it. You see no one is going to reply to you.
thank you you have made it easy for me to understand your statement and il do my best to try and make sense of it. to God we are all equal because spiritually we are capable of the same Grace,Power etc all spiritual Gifts are available to both men and women, however we are different because we were given Different Responsibilities, women were told to submit and men were told to love. but notice that these Requests were given for both men and women to manifest with each other each was given a specific task. now we all both men and women must Submit to God and must love God when it comes to God we are neither men nor women we all are expected to love and Submit to the Almighty God. i hope i was clear and made sense.
@@marcodeoliveira3562 If truly understood who were talkin to you would not try to tell me what a god wants. If you or any other human has to tell me what a god wants then I lose all respect for your god. Let your god speak for self. If your god needs you to speak on its behalf then your god is not worthy of my attention or energy. Show me the god that does not rely on the written and or spoken words of man
I love him too corey
Corey, brother why do you focus so heavily on the Greek translation of the scriptures when the scriptures were written in Hebrew by men who received the Word of God by inspiration of the Holy Spirit? Why do you never mention the interpretation of the scriptures as received by revelation of the Holy Spirit; proving that you have been taught by the Spirit, if you indeed have been taught? You’re a man of much learning; having worldly knowledge, but you lack knowledge in spiritual things. Is not the Bible a spiritual book meant for those who are spiritual?
This isn’t a debatable issue. The Bible CLEARLY states that women are not allowed to be pastors. “Brother” Cliff is opposing The Word of God..how is he a brother?!
Because this isn't a salvation issue. But a theological issue that must quickly be dealt with
@brijenell0201 Depends on what issue. As it is, this person opposes a CLEAR command to The Church.
@@patrickbrowne4606 this is a difference of interpretation that I agree with Cliff on! You know Paul also said for women to not speak in the church, but many of these same guys say that's not what he really meant 😅 it's the opposite with me! I don't think Paul's instructions for that church at that time, was ever some mandate about a woman's role in the church! Just because he uses the creation order doesn't mean he was giving a mandate! I think some of these people are overly excited about something that's not even a sin! It's a matter of conviction in my opinion and God has indicted my heart on many a matter but not this one! So I think we're just a little off with our interpretation of what Paul was actually saying!
@@cochisecarter6298 This isn’t a matter of INTERPRETATION, friend! Paul clearly wrote that the office of a pastor (or any other leadership position in The Church) belongs to a man. Corey read several of the scriptures that show that in this video. The problem is that so many people are viewing these scriptures through a worldly lens..we know that outside of God’s Church women can hold leadership positions in practically any organization, and it’s not a problem. But this isn’t the world! And it IS a sin to oppose something that God has commanded..in fact, that is the DEFINITION of sin.
@patrickbrowne4606 God never commanded that it was Paul's opinion on the matter! It's how he described why he wouldn't allow it! He said,"I," not "the Lord," would not suffer! That is a matter of interpretation. Sin is an act of immoral behavior! God can use whomever he chooses to use to lead his people! He has displayed that throughout the Bible! Jesus, many times, did things that were thought forbidden by the law! God is no respected of persons, and he also looks at the heart, not appearances! I think men have purposely used this scripture to hold back women who are called and have the gift to lead! God will never equip you for something he doesn't intend for you to do! Even if his preference is for men to lead,it doesn't mean he wouldn't use a capable woman!
If you pull the cover from over your ears, you will realize brother Cliff has been compromised, cant switch and say something as crazy is this when you have been bulleye on everything else in scripture
For women to claim that women are equal etc, but to then turn around and basically say that teaching women and children isn’t enough ? That IS what they’re saying. Teaching just women isn’t as important. Women aren’t as important. If I can’t have authority specifically over men then it’s a useless position. They are being sexist against women!
We are to follow the Bible in all areas- so how do we distinguished between Women in authority in the workplace such as teachers, lawyers, judges professors and professional positions where they are in authority and what the Bible says about women teaching and having authority over men?
It can’t be a double standard can it?
There is The Church and there is the world. Jesus clearly knew the world has its rules and understands we have to sometimes follow them, thus the render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. So it's not a double standard it is a Kingdom standard and a worldly standard. Let those with ears to hear, hear...🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
The world is secular as Scripture says satan is the god of this world so that's a reality yet even if a Christian happens to have a leadership role in the world she is not to assume she is to take over in God's True Church nor should she be in the world abusing her authority either.....
There is a difference between the secular and the church. God disagrees with feminism. The world is not our standard, the word of God is.
We must be careful with the scriptures. During Paul's times, women were subservient to man in every way. We live in modern times were women have more freedoms compared to previously. Paul said I would not permit women to speak. This is opinion. As it relates to leadership, that is different. There is no argument. He is stating fact. Man's natural order is to have authority.
I'm sorry I'm not understanding fully ..are you saying the Bible changes interpretation according to the times and audience?
@IBringIt73 I must be careful of your comment.
In a kingdom there is hierarchy and there are duties and responsibilities for each person. Men and women are not equal and you cannot elect to switch roles as you please but you can assist one another. If women cannot submit themselves to the authority of their husbands then they should not get married in the first place. Feminism is cancerous
That's not true. Paul had high regards for women. He often mentioned them by name, as they accompanied and labored hard with him on his missions journey, planting churches. He mentioned these women by name. So, Paul wasn't a misogynist, as many people who support women in pastoral leadership, say, directly or indirectly.
@@steveh5206of course the audience and times matter! Are we still living the way they did 2000 years ago? Of course this has nothing to do with God's moral teachings so it's not this breaking of scripture that is being displayed here! Paul also said, "I suffer a woman not," not, " Not the Lord will suffer it not," and giving the creation order is simply him giving his reason for why he feels this way! It's foolish to say that sexism didn't play a role in modern times especially, as to why men have adopted this tainted view of this scripture! Many have used this scripture to hurt and hold back a women's ability to serve in the body and also to demean them! But Corey never talks about that because it would hurt the narrative he tries to paint! Oh, it's just the scripture no bias at all 😅give me a break smh
YAHUAH IS THE GOD OF TAXIS! GOD OF ORDER!!!
You can’t establish a doctrine with one scripture,you need at list three scriptures to do that,Paul was relating in language to that particular Geographical area,men were more into leadership positions than women in those days,you really don’t want to execute everything just the way it is written in the scripture cos at the end of the day you would have issues with Mike Tod using his spittle on someone’s eyes,it’s time we should remove bias from our use of scriptures,I don’t think God is an author of confusion to empower this powerful women of God I have known Or seen all around like the likes of Kathryn Khulman.Paul wasn’t Jesus or God,he might have had his biases too,he was a mortal man like Elijah and us,not perfect…….
Yes love the other work but this is off His bases is off speculation added in what he thinks is happening which is eisegesis
You are also wrong! The Bible is the whole Word of God and as one receives revelation so do they operate. And your problem is that you are reading the Bible as an unbeliever would, and saying, but it only says this.
The Bible is the complete word of God, and as you receive revelation so do you operate. But you are operating on head knowledge and not by revelation of the Spirit.
I have 2 questions for you:
1) During Pentecost, did the Holy Spirit fall on just the men, or on both the men and the women?
2) And who is the one that teaches us all things? Is it the human being standing in front of you? Or the Holy Spirit inside the person that teaches us?
Read the Bible by revelation of the Spirit and not like an unbeliever.
The Holy Spirit fell on both the men and the women. And there is no male or female in Christ, for we are all one (Galatians 3:28) and it is the Spirit working in us.
Women receive this revelation and run to fulfill your destiny in God. Do not allow any man to hinder the work of the Spirit through you. As you receive revelation by the Spirit so do you operate!
The Holy Spirit come upon men and women who repent and believe. This is a blessed thing. Hence, that's why it is one of the reasons Paul says women can prophesy and pray in the church. All, including women can share the Good News with strangers. Women exercising authority over a man, is a feminised cultural thing, it is not scripture!! God is a God of order. There are just certain roles best suited for the man, and certain roles for the women to fulfill. Once we remove our feelings aside, and stop fighting God's order. We will see even more, the beauty of God's design of his bride, with less spots and wrinkles on beautiful long dress.
@@PullThemOutTheFire so who is the teacher? The human or the Holy Spirit?
And there are no feelings here. It is called revelation. It is not fighting God’s order. It is God Himself, revealing this from His Word, to His children, so they too can walk in their destiny! Deborah was a judge and a Prophetess that judged Israel for 40 years. And all Israel went to her for judgement. Even the military captain said he would not go to war if she did not go with her. A woman went to war and they won. Who made the Woman the judge?
Was she fighting God’s order?
That’s why I’m telling you it is called revelation. And people speak from their understanding. As you are doing now. You have only understood that much, just head knowledge, and so you speak.
And also since you know so much, the bible never says brides. It says bride and wife-one. And Jesus the man, cannot marry a group of people including men, women and babies. It is against God’s basic definition of a marriage being between 1 man and 1 woman. And a man marrying other men is an abomination.
I only said it, because you want to show that you know everything, but you do not. Just like the guy that made the video, it’s just head knowledge. But lack revelation from the Spirit. That’s why you both speak so.
@Mo_7077
the same could be said of you. You are talking from your own understanding, lacking knowledge, and if you are married with one husband, then you need to go back and learn from him, then come present a better case. You're basically saying. Anyone who disagrees with you here, is running on head knowledge? But yet we're the ones who need to humble ourselves lol right
Moses delegated his authority to seventy elders, all men, thus continuing the ‘patriarchal’ structure. However, prophecy was a ministry of both men and women (Aaron’s sister, Miriam, is a specific example). Already there seems to be a distinction between the human authority inherent in an ‘office’ of leadership and the divine authority of a "revelation", whoever communicates it. To pass on a message from God (as he has given it, without expansion, explanation or application) is not seen as exercising leadership authority. When Moses ‘numbered’ Israel, only the men over twenty, able to serve in the army, were counted (Num 1:3, and even among them, those in their first year of marriage were excluded from service). The census totalled about six hundred thousand, instead of over two million, had women and children been included. It was never considered the responsibility of women to defend themselves or their families, in contrast to the modern Israeli army. This has a bearing on the case of Deborah, as you referenced. ‘Judges’ were raised up to deal with national defence (Jdg 2:16), but they had a moral as well as a military function, namely, to preserve that internal holiness that prevented external attack (Jdg 2:17-19). The later role was more prophetic than judicial. Their qualification was charismatic and they were not agents of centralised government (Gideon refused to found a royal dynasty, on the ground of divine ‘rule’, Jdg 8:22-23). However, in between averting external dangers, some judges settled internal disputes, among them Deborah who thus ‘judged’ (NIV ‘led’ is not helpful) Israel. Three facts about her are stated: she was a ‘wife’ (of ‘Flash’ Lappidoth), a ‘prophetess’ (passing on divine words) and she settled ‘disputes’. The impression is left of a Hebrew equivalent of the Delphic oracle; that she was able to bring an inspired word of wisdom or knowledge to bear on each case. Unlike other judges, she did not ‘lead’ when invasion threatened, but delegated (or, more accurately, the Lord delegated through her) this task to the man, Barak. He, with less than masculine courage or chivalry, insisted on taking her into battle, ensuring his forfeiture of the honour of victory (Jdg 4:6-9). Her triumphal song praised the Lord that the ‘princes’ (i.e. ruling men) ‘took the lead’, showing that her attitude was maternal (‘a mother in Israel’) rather than matriarchal. She was no Boadicea or Joan of Arc, in spite of the apparent shortage of strong men. A lot of people have supposed revelation that adds to, take away or totally contradicts scripture. And this is where heresy and cults all began!
@@PullThemOutTheFire you are just speaking from head knowledge, lacking revelation of scripture. No need to argue with you. You will soon find out the truth and will humble yourself for we are in the last days. No more of your men nonsense lording over women. When you learn the identity of the Holy Spirit you will all soon be shut up. No need to try tell you anything for you are all unteacheable prideful men who know nothing, and yet you want women to listen to you! And fact, Deborah was a woman. Deborah was a judge over all Israel for 40 years. And Deborah was a mother!!! And Deborah went to war with the coward male military leader.
@@PullThemOutTheFireAnd surely I won’t learn anything from a man that calls himself a bride. A bride is a woman. But if you and all the likes of you are under a strong delusion, and do not even know what a bride is. Why should women listen to you? And you yourselves are also claiming to be women.
And Fact! Deborah was a woman!
Fact! Deborah was a judge!
Revelation by the Spirit! Not head knowledge!!!
And it is the Spirit that teaches us all things. And may use any vessel, including a woman. It is not the man that should be teaching, but the Spirit inside the person.
Paul said “ I suffer not… etc” NOT God said‼️
Women leading is another topic… I think they should be married or male headship‼️
Paul speaks for Bible God all throughout the New Testament. The other authors that speak for Bible God in the New Testament dont have the same amount of influence as Paul
@@oldschool5that is absolutely ridiculous sir! All of them are authoritative voices on the scriptures! This idea that the apostles weren't addressing their target audiences has got to stop! Furthermore, I think Paul was giving his personal perspective and opinion on the matter! Not some universal mandate for all time! Totally overblown and unnecessary with all the other serious problems we have facing the church!
@@cochisecarter6298 Who gave these voices authority? No god came down to verify any man speaking or writing on behalf of any god. That's the problem that the church is having. The concept of us subscribing to a deity that relies on the words of man have failed us all.
Just because a man tells you that his written words are the words of a god doesnt mean that his written words are the words of a god....
The words otf "this God," as you say, are true! I know they are because he saved me when I was about to give up on life! Others tried and failed,but when I called on his name earnestly,he came into my mess of a life and saved me! So I know his word is true and that Jesus is who he says he is,because he has come into my life and is doing what he said he'd do! Are we messy with our understanding of certain text, yes we are,and we can debate about that! But Jesus being Lord over all, that is not a debate, that's the truth!!!
@@cochisecarter6298 The Arab says the same thing about Allah saving him from killing himself. I live in the DR and there are plenty authentic Dominicans and Haitians who have a similar story with their West African Deities. You act like Christians are the only ones who beat cancer and win the lottery.
Thats cool and powerful that you found something to work for you but that doesn't make your god any more real than the next man's god. At the end of the day in reality, man speaks on behalf of all man made gods and that concept has failed us all.
I think that women should be in leadership in some way. Sometimes single women need guidance and doesn’t feel comfortable talking with a male. So how will she get her guidance?
Older women are required to lead women and children...the reason many females are lost in church because many women are trying to lead men instead of doing what Jesus required hence no guidance for the females or children
'Don't go pass what is written'....But you believe God is three persons.
because He manifested Himself in three ways bro, God is God, Jesus had the spirit of God rest in Him and never sinned, then the literaly Holy Spirit of God, all revealing themselves at Jesus’ baptism
and in colossians , “The Godhead dwells in (Jesus) Fully”
Scriptures delineate authority, roles, actions, knowledge, and communication between the Father, Son, and Spirit. If the God of the Bible were monolithic, He would be a liar and, therefore, not God.
Jeremiah 17:10, 1 Kings 8:39, Revelation 2:8, 23
Jesus is Yahweh
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I have watch quite a few of Cliff's videos and at times the things he says are way off. It doesn't align with the Word. Now these kinds of teachings are why the lines are blurred. No woman should want let a lone be in leadership over a man when it comes to the body of Christ. Women are the wealer vessel (very emotional) and the woman was the one deceived not man in the garden. Instead of being with God, these feminists want to be gods and hold the same stance, power, and authority as God. Why can't we just accept our rile and do what is pleasing in God's sight. The elser wen teaching the youngrr how to be a wife and mother, and teaching the children in the ways of the Lord. Enough is never enough nowadays. Everybody want to be famous and greedy for gain. And that is why we have so many children running reckless and rampant no kind of home training, no knowledge of God and Christ. They are literally being groomed for th graveyard and jailhouse. The generation of people are wordt than out ancestors. We have all the examples of the consequences of their choices to follow after what God and Christ instructs us not to but, what do we do run after them like our lives depend on them. 🤦🏾♀️ We need to do better because it's a heavy price to pay.
you wrote:
No woman should want let a lone be in leadership over a man when it comes to the body of Christ.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
@@8784-l3b Deborah was a judge not a pastor but I digress. Thats not the same thing. Clesrly God gave her that position and who can contest against God? I surely won't.
@@sherritatabor1061
(In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word
shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has
obvious meaning to the average person.)
Major modern English translations like the NASB use
the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people...
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Some believe that pastor (or shepherd), is a position that
was created in the New Covenant. This is not true. In the Old Testament
shepherds are mentioned multiple times. Often in a negative way.
“My people have become lost sheep;
Their shepherds have led them astray.
-excerpt Jeremiah 50
For an entire chapter on worthless shepherds, the reader may
check out Ezekiel 34.
When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period.
But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways.
-excerpt Judges 2
Deborah, full essay read time: 12 minutes, free, postable
Now he's wrong? Your judgment will be severe Corey, SEVERE.. You really should consider repenting sir...I'm afraid for you...(judgement day) WOW!!
Amen sister Kim. This brother has been in my prayers; that the Lord convicts his heart on this subject and he is brought to repentance. Pride is a helluva drug.
We pray that you women will be convicted by the Holy Spirit and come to repentence..May the Lord judge between you and we who stand by the scripture.
Huh? What did Corey do wrong here?
@@steveh5206 Paul never taught that women were forbidden to be ministers of the faith, and nowhere in scripture is it ever stated that women are forbidden to be ministers of the faith. Paul wrote in mysteries that can only be discerned by the revelation and teaching of the Holy Spirit, and this was done on purpose by the power of the Holy Ghost. Just as Jesus spoke in parables, Paul also spoke in mysteries.
God created male and female; Adam (man-kind), and the woman (man’s heart) was taken out of man and made from man. Man’s heart is the weaker vessel, not the female creation. So what Paul is referring to in his letters teaching that women are to be silent is that, we; men (male and female) are to not be led by the desires and intent of our hearts, but by the Holy Spirit.
Male and female were created by God at the same time, and the female creation was not created after or from the male creation. This is a lie of religion and anywhere a lie and oppression is, the devil is the author.
”So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.“
-Genesis 1:27 KJV
”This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.“
-Genesis 5:1-2 KJV
”And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; and the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.“
-Genesis 2:21-23 KJV
*Male AND Female: Adam (he; man, human, mankind).*
*Woman: Heart (flesh; desires and intent of man).*
Let us compare spiritual things with spiritual…
Was Paul not speaking to all ‘men’ (mankind; male and female) in his epistles? And being led by the Holy Spirit; who is no respector of persons, was Paul making a clear distinction between genders when he wrote his letters, or was he speaking in a mystery concerning the church? Was he not exhorting believers not to present our flesh; that being the desires and intent of our hearts; being adorned having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof? For if we are led by the desires and intent of our heart (our flesh), we are deceived and will be led astray and will deceive others, therefore leading them astray.
”The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
-Jeremiah 17:9 KJV
”There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.“
-Galatians 3:28 KJV
Paul was a Roman Jew, and because he was a Roman, he used certain epithets when addressing his audience who were also Greek and ‘some’ religious Jews. Just as Jesus spoke in parables, Paul spoke in mysteries that can only be discerned by the Holy Spirit. It is not written in the scriptures that Jesus or Paul ever taught or preached that females; women were ever to be segregated or separated from the males; men in Christ’s ministry, for all are one in Christ Jesus and God’s commandments apply to us all equally the same. When we allow the Holy Spirit to be our teacher and use scripture to interpret scripture instead of man’s own logic and wisdom, we gain the greater understanding of the teachings of the oracles of God, and leave no room for confusion. Where in the passage of scripture is it written that Jesus Himself made any distinction between females and males concerning roles in the ministry of Christ? It isn’t written, “Adam is a living soul,” but the woman which was made from Adam… What or who is she? Adam’s heart.
”And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.“
-1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV
”So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.” -Genesis 1:27 KJV
”This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.“
-Genesis 5:1-2 KJV
”And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; and the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.”
-Genesis 2:21-23 KJV
”A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.“
-Ezekiel 36:26 KJV
”And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; and put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.“
-Acts 15:8-9 KJV
”Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.“ -1 Kings 8:61 KJV
*We are all equals in the faith; male AND female, and whomever humbles themselves as like a little child shall be the greatest in the kingdom of Heaven, therefore humble thyself.*
Male AND Female: *Adam* (he; man, human, mankind).
Woman: *Heart* (flesh; desires and intent of man).
May the Lord give you eyes to see and ears to hear the Truth, and set you free. God bless you brother. 🙏🏾🕊️💙
What did Corey do wrong? Also if he is wrong is there scripture to back it up?
Love your channel but I’m with Cliff on this. Just cause there are some words not in the Bible doesn’t mean there still isn’t historical context behind what is happening and who Paul is writing too. In the case of all this women stuff Paul talks about, there is historical context to why Paul was saying these things. I believe that yes a role of a Senior Pastor must be a man and the church shouldn’t be runner by a women, but that doesn’t mean women can’t preach on accusations especially for instance when a women may know more about the Bible then say me. Like a women children’s pastor or youth or young adults. And we have many examples in the Bible of female prophets that God uses and those females were making prophecies to men
Some of the exceptions you cite, such as teaching women and children, do not differ from what Corey said.
As for women prophets, you’re the one failing to account for context. In the New Testament, women prophesied in a private setting, never in the church. In the Old Testament, women became prophets only during times of apostasy when men failed to do the job. Your examples do not apply to the church.
Scripture is clear
By your logic, just bc King Salomon had many wives in the Old Testament. I can also have more than one wive. Got it!
It's amazing people ignore Elohim's order,His commands,decrees,His son Yeshua's commands and decrees which align with the Father,ignore the Apostles 'opinion'-which clearly says his opinion is as if Yeshua is speaking and when the consequences of sin and disobedience come to the family,church to bring them to repentance they says it's the enemy or demonic spirit coming against them.
Careful people
Romans:11 21-36..He did not spare the natural branches,he will not spare you either.
There are many examples of God not accepting worship and praise because the people were still in sin and unrepentant Amos 5 21-23.His grace is upon us so that we can repent.Notbto call his grace a blessing so we can continue in sin.
@@Elias1995Cathat’s why the scriptures says if a man wants to be-a bishop or a deacon he must be the husband of 1 wife
U hAve good message but u corny!! U post video about everybody else I'm tired.. why are u right I'm done Corey
Once again you sit and pass judgment
Talk about helping the poor and helping the least instead of trying to put people down. That is what's wrong. You think you know more than anybody else
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Sorry Corey, you’re wrong on this… if these are “qualifications”, then Paul, Timothy and even the son of God himself would be disqualified as being an elder in any church.
Yes, we cannot look and read things into the text. But also we cannot limit the understanding of the text according to our own interpretation. Just a little critical thinking and we can see how your view causes problems.
Nah
@@primeminister66 yah
Paul gave himself the title of 'father', since he couldn't meet the qualifications
of elder that he himself put forward.
For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers...
-excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV
-words of Paul
If one supports the qualifications of elder, as put forward by Paul, one
MUST also accept that the title/position of 'father' is valid and proper in
Christianity. Since this is also one of Paul's teachings.
But the title of 'father' was expressly forbidden by Jesus.
And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
-excerpt Matthew 23
-words of Jesus
A full post on this is available.