Agreed. Could watch him shoot for days, there are a lot of subtle details in his technique to pay attention to. Would love a weekly video like this, just shooting 36 arrows and talking us through it.
Great feedback... I really like the way you are handling your gear videos now... some raw data and other videos like this that allow thoughts and real-time feedback while shooting. This is the type of super analytical data us regular archers need that don't have the ability to try before we buy... immensely valuable. If the draw curve on these is accurate I am thinking these might be fine for me at my draw length... I am between 30.5"-31" so I should have a bit more stack which might remove a bit of that squishiness for me... fingers crossed!
i love the detail you go into , as i said before , thankyou for helping me remember things i'd forgotten as a reborn archer , but more so , thanks for the tons of shit i never even knew about .... you are the best for this mr
Your comments about draw length inconsistencies remind me of some conversations I had with John Magera. He liked limbs that stacked around the clicker because he could "feel" the draw length better. I guess it's just a question of training your muscles to a given load.
Interesting comment on the 'slight stacking' feeling. We have experimented with a string limiting the 'draw length' (Limiting string from riser to bowstring). The experiment was sucessful and the 'break' extremely consistant. We know it's not allowed but , never the less it would seem to indicate a limb duplicating the feeling of a draw stop (ie: stacking) would be an advantage.
Thanks, Jake. I wonder if the feeling of variable draw length is just a function of having been shooting barebow. Maybe shoot barebow again then try a 70m round with some foam limbs and see if you experience a similar feeling? That'd would help identify whether or not is a uukha limb thing or a Jake thing. I experience the same thing with a set of mxt gf limbs if I haven't shot in a while or if I've been goofing around with other bows. Just a thought.
Nice video, even if i prefer barebow. I shoot old uukha ux100, but i in the past I used Border HEX6.5 and VX+. Both are surprisingly smooth around draw length, probably more than SX.Some people hate that smoothness and dont get used to it. I takes a while to get accustomated to this weird feeling - it almost feels you have cam and let off. After a while it really feels good and it allows me to relax more specially the sting hand, once I get used to it. For bare bow shooters, on one hand you loose a bit of feeling of the draw length, on the other hand the unconsistencies have less effect on the speed due to the low increase in power. Also, when you get tired and lazy at the end of a round, it is easier to reach full draw.
Very cool to see you "moving the barrel forward" on the close up shots. Seems like you are used to the stack on the back end of other limbs. I had the same feeling at first, but am used to the uukhas now after shooting for over a month.
Just watched high speed footage of different nocking heights upon loose, from 0 to 14mm in 1mm increments. Personally, I think his tiller was out, but it might be worth getting hold of a high speed camera to work out tiller and nocking height. Take care and happy shooting.
Uukha user here. Extra long on a 27, 33" draw. The uukhas come into their own for long draw lengths, I think. Compared with same weight on the fingers mxt gf limbs, it is just a more comfortable feeling at the clicker (could be bow length as much as limb design). In my experience, w&w limbs just dont like being drawn to Viking draw lengths.
The draw length inconsistency mirrors my experience with Uukhas from last season. Considering the extra recurve you may feel more at home with a set of shorter limbs. My 68" VX1000s give me a "feel" in the clicker zone more akin to what a pair of regular 70" target limbs would feel like (shot at a 29.5" draw length).
Agree its overkill to have S-curve limbs +long limbs even for long drawlenght. SX50/Gobi medium limbs doesn't start to stack well after 33" draw in my own comparisons plotting drawforce curves inbetween my limbs. So long limbs maybe we talking 35" draw length before you start feeling "a wall" of some kind.
Hey, Jake. I’d like to see a video of you shooting several of you best shots WITH stabilizers vs. several without stabilizers to help me understand what limitations the bow has without them at distance. Please and thank you.
Really enjoyed the session and picked up some things on limbs and brace height. Have been thinking of trying some carbon foam limbs. Have always shot glass or carbon wood (maple) limbs. Not sure what to expect.
Jake I think you should try Tokyo 2021. The schedule may be late but the shooting is great. I would enjoy the venture and live vicariously through it. What does your wife think?
Looked like you had some really strong shots. My long holds are almost always right (right handed). Great concentration when that circular saw fired up! When are we going to see the JK Vibration Measurement jig? I shot medium PSE Xpression foam limbs with a 27" GMX riser before my long hiatus. I think I prefer the feel of wood-core now. I'm still working up in poundage so I'm not shooting top of the line limbs. I'm really curious to see which Velos limbs you test and what you think of them.
Great video, really looking forward to the xceed review as well. Would love to see how it fits your non Hoyt limbs. I imagine it’s the same but I noticed on mine the limbs could still move forward after they clicked in. Doesn’t seem to be an issue when shooting, the first pluck on the seats them, but it still struck me as odd
Hi Jake. Not sure how many strands on the string you are using. I found that 18 instead of 20 with 8125 material made a difference when with my Uukha HX10 limbs. Might be worth a try. Also check out podium bowstrings. Great quality strings.
Hi Jake, thanks for the review and all your videos. Find them really helpful. If I could make one suggestion about the camera setup is that you appear to be addressing your camera's screen and it looks like you're talking to someone off screen. If you address the lens, you'd be looking directly at your audience. Keep up the good work my man! Thanks for all your hard work.
Have tried barebow at 70m yet ? It makes doing 50 feel easier 😁 and you know if your arrows are to long I go oylimpic style to get the extra distance both on 50 and 70 as I get better string blur Great videos and great to see both your journeys 👍
So maybe I am just misunderstanding the concept, but how can you have a draw length inconsistency while using a clicker? You fire the second the clicker clicks and that is always at the exact same length. Please help me understand.
From what I've been able to find, most "smooth" limbs have about a 5% increase in draw weight per inch between 27 and 30". The Uukhas have about 3.5% in that range. Based on comparing the DFC charts with things Vittorio and Sid Ball have said about limbs, and the charts W&W put out, I actually think the previous Curve profile is more efficient and would be more comfortable to shoot. That tracks with you finding the older, cheaper Uukhas faster per pound. I'm a little disappointed in their marketing materials, because I think they have a good product, but they want their most expensive limb to be the best at everything, rather than accurately pointing out the tradeoffs. It looks like the Xcurve profile has more stored energy.
Are you able to shoot both? They feel very different. The GT is pretty dampened compared to the Xceed. It depends if you want a bow that jumps and feels alive in the shot vs one that is a little more dead in the hand.
should the weights on my side stabilizers be offset since I have already got my sight adding weight on the right side. is it ok to put 6 weights on the right and 7 one the left ? or should I make them equal ?
That’s perfectly fine. Many people do that. If you have weights that are different metals, but the same sizes, you can get even size stacks, but different weight distribution.
According to Vittorio Frangilli, that used to be the case but all risers today are made with the stabilizer bushing slightly offset to adjust for this. Some people may still want to add additional weight to the left side bar to change the way they apply their grip pressure, similar to modern compound setups, but we're talking an ounce or less with a recurve.
You were joking about sight-pin/stabilizers with respect to recent barebow volume that you shot.... Well... Let's just take off all that stuff and shoot the 70M barebow :-) Are you shooting the SX+ 48's or less? You mentioned working out.. The moment I'm in, I was able to build endurance easily at 35# my next up are 45's but lately, I haven't been able to easily build volume at 45# the only change? I have not been able to strength train regularly since last May. I'm a lifelong athlete and since 1975, I've never been more than a few days away from my gym. Good news is that here in Socal a change is comin, by next weekend, red tier entry 🤞 Translates to 25% access to gyms AND climbing walls, mine are under one roof 👊 Thanx for all the thinking out loud shot process vidz.
Hello Jake, I noticed that when you are shooting just before the clicker going off, you are still moving or falling toward the spotting scope. To me, it looks like you are not settling down before your shot. I have watched many videos, new and old of you shooting, and I haven't found one where you are doing that. Maybe that is the camera angle in the other videos, but you are definitely doing it in this video. On another note, I personally did not enjoy using the Uukha limbs and had quite a few quality control issues with them. I now use the Wiawis NS-Graphene foam limbs and have found excellent stability, comfort in my draw, fantastic quality control and very easy to set up, which gives me very good accuracy. I am also using the Gray AIX 25" riser with these limbs. Stay well, stay safe, all the best from Australia.
Actually, yes. It was very fun! If they moved the elimination round to 90m as well I would never have complained about it. The problem was 90m required a lot of practice to be good at it. But 70m was where you won or lost a tournament.
Love these complete 70m sessions!
Agreed. Could watch him shoot for days, there are a lot of subtle details in his technique to pay attention to. Would love a weekly video like this, just shooting 36 arrows and talking us through it.
Great feedback... I really like the way you are handling your gear videos now... some raw data and other videos like this that allow thoughts and real-time feedback while shooting. This is the type of super analytical data us regular archers need that don't have the ability to try before we buy... immensely valuable. If the draw curve on these is accurate I am thinking these might be fine for me at my draw length... I am between 30.5"-31" so I should have a bit more stack which might remove a bit of that squishiness for me... fingers crossed!
Very Good review ,you re the best ambassador of Uukha now . Thank you for sharing .
i love the detail you go into , as i said before , thankyou for helping me remember things i'd forgotten as a reborn archer , but more so , thanks for the tons of shit i never even knew about .... you are the best for this mr
I got my book in the mail
Tuning for performance
Nice nice book and autographed thank you so much jake🙏
Your comments about draw length inconsistencies remind me of some conversations I had with John Magera. He liked limbs that stacked around the clicker because he could "feel" the draw length better. I guess it's just a question of training your muscles to a given load.
Martin Ottosson said the same thing.
Interesting comment on the 'slight stacking' feeling. We have experimented with a string limiting the 'draw length' (Limiting string from riser to bowstring). The experiment was sucessful and the 'break' extremely consistant. We know it's not allowed but , never the less it would seem to indicate a limb duplicating the feeling of a draw stop (ie: stacking) would be an advantage.
I would like to see a video of you shooting these same limbs on a bare bow. Then hear your opinion of their performance.
Fabulous shooting! Still got that championship form!
Thanks, Jake. I wonder if the feeling of variable draw length is just a function of having been shooting barebow. Maybe shoot barebow again then try a 70m round with some foam limbs and see if you experience a similar feeling? That'd would help identify whether or not is a uukha limb thing or a Jake thing. I experience the same thing with a set of mxt gf limbs if I haven't shot in a while or if I've been goofing around with other bows. Just a thought.
i think your doing fine just keep what doin consitrating ,it will come back to you ,have patents,l listen to some calming music and then tri shooting
Nice video, even if i prefer barebow.
I shoot old uukha ux100, but i in the past I used Border HEX6.5 and VX+. Both are surprisingly smooth around draw length, probably more than SX.Some people hate that smoothness and dont get used to it. I takes a while to get accustomated to this weird feeling - it almost feels you have cam and let off. After a while it really feels good and it allows me to relax more specially the sting hand, once I get used to it. For bare bow shooters, on one hand you loose a bit of feeling of the draw length, on the other hand the unconsistencies have less effect on the speed due to the low increase in power. Also, when you get tired and lazy at the end of a round, it is easier to reach full draw.
Very cool to see you "moving the barrel forward" on the close up shots. Seems like you are used to the stack on the back end of other limbs. I had the same feeling at first, but am used to the uukhas now after shooting for over a month.
You are a great instructor!
Just watched high speed footage of different nocking heights upon loose, from 0 to 14mm in 1mm increments. Personally, I think his tiller was out, but it might be worth getting hold of a high speed camera to work out tiller and nocking height. Take care and happy shooting.
Uukha user here. Extra long on a 27, 33" draw. The uukhas come into their own for long draw lengths, I think. Compared with same weight on the fingers mxt gf limbs, it is just a more comfortable feeling at the clicker (could be bow length as much as limb design). In my experience, w&w limbs just dont like being drawn to Viking draw lengths.
The draw length inconsistency mirrors my experience with Uukhas from last season. Considering the extra recurve you may feel more at home with a set of shorter limbs. My 68" VX1000s give me a "feel" in the clicker zone more akin to what a pair of regular 70" target limbs would feel like (shot at a 29.5" draw length).
Agree its overkill to have S-curve limbs +long limbs even for long drawlenght. SX50/Gobi medium limbs doesn't start to stack well after 33" draw in my own comparisons plotting drawforce curves inbetween my limbs. So long limbs maybe we talking 35" draw length before you start feeling "a wall" of some kind.
Hey, Jake. I’d like to see a video of you shooting several of you best shots WITH stabilizers vs. several without stabilizers to help me understand what limitations the bow has without them at distance. Please and thank you.
Really enjoyed the session and picked up some things on limbs and brace height. Have been thinking of trying some carbon foam limbs. Have always shot glass or carbon wood (maple) limbs. Not sure what to expect.
Jake I think you should try Tokyo 2021. The schedule may be late but the shooting is great. I would enjoy the venture and live vicariously through it. What does your wife think?
Looked like you had some really strong shots. My long holds are almost always right (right handed). Great concentration when that circular saw fired up! When are we going to see the JK Vibration Measurement jig? I shot medium PSE Xpression foam limbs with a 27" GMX riser before my long hiatus. I think I prefer the feel of wood-core now. I'm still working up in poundage so I'm not shooting top of the line limbs. I'm really curious to see which Velos limbs you test and what you think of them.
Great video, really looking forward to the xceed review as well. Would love to see how it fits your non Hoyt limbs. I imagine it’s the same but I noticed on mine the limbs could still move forward after they clicked in. Doesn’t seem to be an issue when shooting, the first pluck on the seats them, but it still struck me as odd
Hi Jake. Not sure how many strands on the string you are using. I found that 18 instead of 20 with 8125 material made a difference when with my Uukha HX10 limbs. Might be worth a try. Also check out podium bowstrings. Great quality strings.
Hi Jake, thanks for the review and all your videos. Find them really helpful.
If I could make one suggestion about the camera setup is that you appear to be addressing your camera's screen and it looks like you're talking to someone off screen. If you address the lens, you'd be looking directly at your audience.
Keep up the good work my man! Thanks for all your hard work.
Handle name checks out.....
Sure thing, new gear just getting used to it.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery 😂👍
Sorry, didn't mean for that to come across as ungrateful or anything like that. Just a suggestion. 👍🏻
Where did you get the Clicker plate extender for the Meta riser? Have been looking for one...
Great video, good to an expert admitting he is not perfect and out of practice.
I shoot barebow with these limbs and a 27" GT and I guarantee you'll love it
yep :D :D :D another 'oh look, Jake has a video for that' moment :D Ive just order some Uukha SX80s
Hi Jake, Im using wiawins 38lbs limbs. To keep the "same" tune, would you suggest 36 or 34 lbs uukha sx+ limbs?
Have tried barebow at 70m yet ? It makes doing 50 feel easier 😁 and you know if your arrows are to long
I go oylimpic style to get the extra distance both on 50 and 70 as I get better string blur
Great videos and great to see both your journeys 👍
Great shooting!
Soo what do you think is better? UUKHA SX or ex1 evo2.
So maybe I am just misunderstanding the concept, but how can you have a draw length inconsistency while using a clicker? You fire the second the clicker clicks and that is always at the exact same length. Please help me understand.
From what I've been able to find, most "smooth" limbs have about a 5% increase in draw weight per inch between 27 and 30". The Uukhas have about 3.5% in that range. Based on comparing the DFC charts with things Vittorio and Sid Ball have said about limbs, and the charts W&W put out, I actually think the previous Curve profile is more efficient and would be more comfortable to shoot. That tracks with you finding the older, cheaper Uukhas faster per pound. I'm a little disappointed in their marketing materials, because I think they have a good product, but they want their most expensive limb to be the best at everything, rather than accurately pointing out the tradeoffs. It looks like the Xcurve profile has more stored energy.
When you'll be checking out Xceed, could you please compare it with your Gillo GT experience? I'm really struggling to choose between one of those.
Are you able to shoot both? They feel very different. The GT is pretty dampened compared to the Xceed. It depends if you want a bow that jumps and feels alive in the shot vs one that is a little more dead in the hand.
I am very surprised to see that changing brace height doesn't seem to affect your shoot in any way at 70m !
what's the physical mass of those limbs each not the draw weight
Could it be the case that extra recurved limbs add more inconsistency then speed?
How much weight do you have on the stabilizers?
Hi Jake, are you using a string length recommended by Uukha?
Yeah. It’s pretty much ideal
should the weights on my side stabilizers be offset since I have already got my sight adding weight on the right side. is it ok to put 6 weights on the right and 7 one the left ? or should I make them equal ?
That’s perfectly fine. Many people do that. If you have weights that are different metals, but the same sizes, you can get even size stacks, but different weight distribution.
According to Vittorio Frangilli, that used to be the case but all risers today are made with the stabilizer bushing slightly offset to adjust for this. Some people may still want to add additional weight to the left side bar to change the way they apply their grip pressure, similar to modern compound setups, but we're talking an ounce or less with a recurve.
Only Gillos are offset for that purpose.
Just fine. I change weights and angles as needed
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Yup, my mistake, actually went back and found the post now.
You were joking about sight-pin/stabilizers with respect to recent barebow volume that you shot....
Well...
Let's just take off all that stuff and shoot the 70M barebow :-)
Are you shooting the SX+ 48's or less?
You mentioned working out.. The moment I'm in, I was able to build endurance easily at 35# my next up are 45's but lately, I haven't been able to easily build volume at 45# the only change? I have not been able to strength train regularly since last May.
I'm a lifelong athlete and since 1975, I've never been more than a few days away from my gym.
Good news is that here in Socal a change is comin, by next weekend, red tier entry 🤞
Translates to 25% access to gyms AND climbing walls, mine are under one roof 👊
Thanx for all the thinking out loud shot process vidz.
I may shoot a 70m barebow round for the fun of it hah
Hi, please try to set your tiler to 0. These limbs are designed to compensate the tiler by themselves. AFAIK.
BS
@@mrnice752 Not at all and worth the try, sir.
Also, for a fair comparison, to reach maximum speed, the brace height should be set to a minimum and by no mean the other way around.
Hello Jake, I noticed that when you are shooting just before the clicker going off, you are still moving or falling toward the spotting scope. To me, it looks like you are not settling down before your shot. I have watched many videos, new and old of you shooting, and I haven't found one where you are doing that.
Maybe that is the camera angle in the other videos, but you are definitely doing it in this video.
On another note, I personally did not enjoy using the Uukha limbs and had quite a few quality control issues with them. I now use the Wiawis NS-Graphene foam limbs and have found excellent stability, comfort in my draw, fantastic quality control and very easy to set up, which gives me very good accuracy. I am also using the Gray AIX 25" riser with these limbs.
Stay well, stay safe, all the best from Australia.
Jake don't you miss those 90 meter days?
Actually, yes. It was very fun! If they moved the elimination round to 90m as well I would never have complained about it.
The problem was 90m required a lot of practice to be good at it. But 70m was where you won or lost a tournament.
Hi sir, I want to take coaching plz help me i am a recurve archer..
I really need your coaching..
The target 🎯 looks low to the ground
Don't underestimate the effects of recovery from COVID.
Jake it’s all you lol
Nice video,,timing??? You seem to be just a little off
You can’t a little to the right
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