2017 Prius Prime and still drive and runs like new! We get about 27 miles of EV driving on a full charge and that is here in the 115+ degree heat of Phoenix. This is the best car we have ever owned and plan to keep driving it for years to come.
VoltecRules LMAO. Im sure there are tree hugging hot chicks around that would like this Prius. Not my kinda chick though. Ill take a good girl that loves the rumble of a truck instead.
That interior is actually something aesthetically pleasing! I actually love the exterior as well much well over the new 2016 Prius! That front end looks much better as well as the new rear tail light!
But it's nice to have options from car companies who make quality cars and have competent service departments, unlike GM. The Volt doesn't have a real engine in it. So you can't get the power of an ICE and an electric motor when you need power to merge or pass or for emergencies. With other PHEV's like this, you just mash on the gas, and you have all that power when needed. The Volt was a good idea. Now the serious quality car companies will make PHEV's that every person who cares about the environment will want to drive, and have a practical car.
Allen Monroe: Yes it did, and kudos to them for being first. But it's GM durability (I'll never buy another GM no matter what) and a battery-centric car. So for the 50ish miles EV range, you give up lots of other stuff. Like much lower hybrid range and hybrid mode mileage. It's much better for the consumer to have choices. Durability is one of the top issues for me in car choices. (Other consumers differ, of course).
I'll be the first to say I'm impressed by the Volt in many ways, but there are a few too many compromises that make this Prime Prius attractive to me. As for the range of 22 miles, I too would love to have 50 miles all electric, but Toyota would have to more than double the batteries and that would cost more to buy, add weight to the car, and take away space. The Volt has very little rear seat headroom compared to Prius and although that 53 miles of electric is great, I agree with many the styling of the Volt looks like a 5-year-old Civic. Especially when you look at the new Civic which might be the best looking car in its class now. I can put the Volt's look aside. I'm still waiting for the 2017 volt with adaptive cruise. It still may be my next car, but I'm strongly considering this Prius. I simply trust Toyota more. Lastly, if you think about it, 22 miles really is more than most of us use to commute. Even if it's longer, many of us can also plug in at work doubling the all-electric driving range. Like many, I thought that earlier version of the plug-in Prius was ridiculous with its super short electric range. 22 miles is doable. 50mpg after that is no big deal. Toyota has a winner here and as battery tech increases, future versions of this car will likely have longer all-electric range. Thumbs up.
What a beautiful, efficient vehicle! I absolutely love the design......... Such a nice departure from all the other boring hybrids out there like Hyundai and Ford.
Kirivan: I'm willing to bet that depending on what the marketplace and customers (people looking at the car) tell Toyota, they will be looking to do this on other cars. My question is how soon? Toyota is making progress on this stuff, but slowly. Hopefully with MANY makers coming out with PHEV's by decade's end, and makers like Mercedes saying they're going to end up with pretty much all their cars as EV's or PHEV's, the competition will get Toyota to do more of this to more models. Bigger cars won't get as much EV miles at first, but bigger batteries in bigger cars will help (but cost more). There are going to be many interesting trade-offs real soon now, IMO. Competition is great for the consumer (both choice and price).
So with the 2nd Generation the Volt went from a 4 seater to a 5 seater and from 38 mi all electric to 53 mi. Whearas the Prius PHEV changed name and went from a 5 seater to a 4 seater and from 11 mi all electric to 22 mi. WOW what an improvement Toyota!
The 2016 Volt has added a rear-middle seatbelt. Because of the huge center tunnel it wouldn't be comfortable for a long ride, but one could put a childseat in the middle.
And the Volt will still be a battery-centric car, with tons of compromises for the battery. And GM will be a POS company with regard to quality and service compared to companies like Toyota, probably forever. Why does the Volt get 10 less mpg than the 2016 Prius (and most likely the Prius Prime) in gas mode? Why is the max range on the Volt far less? Why can you get NO power to the wheels with the Volt in gas mode (only charging the battery). They're different. There are pluses and minuses to both. Pretending like the EV range is all that matters is pretty lame, frankly, but thanks for playing.
singhrais: The Prius Prime has MUCH better hybrid range than the Volt. It has MUCH better hybrid mpg rating than the Volt. It has the Toyota and Prius durability reputation and service reputation which gets top marks -- unlike the GM durability and service reputation (competence) which gets bottom marks. But let's pretend like EV range is the only thing that matters, shall we? Do you work for the UAW by any chance?
Roger Geyer Work for who? Anyways to some people EV range does matter. I currently have a 36km one-way commute to work, and no possibility (for now) to charge at my workplace. So yes, to me EV range alone does matter when considering a PHEV, because the vast majority of my daily driving has me doing somewhere between 70-80km. When considering purely a hybrid of course the Prii are among the best options. But to me the Prime doesn't seem to have enough of a vantage - for how I would mostly use it - over the regular one, since I'd still have to drive the majority with the ICE engaged, and would be dragging around the extra weight of the larger battery pack. The Volt on the other hand, should be able to get me through most of my day in EV mode. Though I've heard GM isn't planning on bringing it to Europe (and no 2nd Gen. Ampera), so that's a mute argument.
How about why the 3.3WK charger is under the rear seats? This is the reason why it only seats 4. Why can't they relocate the charger to be inside the engine compartment, inside the bumper (like the 1st generation Volt) or under the car in the back? There has got to be a way. If it had at least 30 miles of EV range, it could get a $3100 instant sales tax credit on Washington state.
The front fascia looks like Optimus Prime... On a side note, the only problem with hybrid cars in my cold weather is that the engine is not warm enough to turn at normal temperature when the driver hits the highway after the short electric commuting in the suburb. The consequence is horrible: head gasket failure on a brand new car. The solution, plug the block heather.
+Jesus G. to run 12V accessories. Otherwise, you'd always need a DC-DC converter running to keep a 12V line running from the traction battery. That is inefficient, the power loss adds up. All plugin hybrid and even EVs have a 12V lead acid battery too. It is about time they take out the lead acid and put in an equivalent 12-14V lithium ion pack.
I wonder why they don't do this with all their hybrids in general. Not that I'm bad mouthing their cars, its just that it seems like something that should have been done earlier with ev mode regardless if Chevy has a patent on it. Or maybe get a bigger battery. Plus I don't like the dash board, I like the older models ;)
Well, unlike the Volt, the car still will get well over 50 mpg in hybrid mode. That's the real goal, right -- serious energy efficiency? If they used a 1.2 or so, then people like you would be complaining that it's not powerful enough. It's about a combination of trade-offs that makes a car which mainstream consumers will want to buy and drive. Considering it's early days, it looks to me like Toyota and its peers are doing a really good job.
the older ones (mine included) had a 1.5, but they get better mileage with the 1.8 because it doesn't need to rev as high for power going up hills and such.
It has better hybrid mileage by far than every PHEV in its class. When, say, the Volt has 70 mpg in hybrid instead of about half that, then maybe it will be time to worry about that.
I'm very curious for when the prius can compete with the tesla as far as all electric range that will be the future but this is a very great step love it. Was going to get the 2016 this year but looks like 2017 is it. Love my 06 package 8 245k miles and running strong. Average about 500 to the tank depending on the crappy gas we have in Atlanta.
Christ Atkinson: I'm confused. Do you mean the Volt EV range? The Teslaa are BEV's - a completely different beast. I wouldn't expect Toyota to have vehicles that compete in EV range with a pure BEV until Toyota starts building pure EV's. I'm guessing they're preparing for that -- but that's only a guess, and Toyota does move slowly.
A great looking car, great job by the presenter, but .... A HUGE MISS FOR TOYOTA - WHY 4 SEATS ? We have a fleet of Prius PHEV Plug-In Hybrid (just over 90 cars) ... most of our employees have the need for a car with 5 seats not 4. There is such a massive pressure on us now to move to Tesla 3 or to the Mercedes C350e.
All things in time. Looking at the peers, aside from the Volt, a low EV range and trying to maximize hybrid efficiency and range, and keep the price moderate, seems to be the goal. As the batteries improve, the ICE mileage will -- or if the demand is there, other options will be provided, with the trade-offs of more weight, more cost, less hybrid mode efficiency, etc. Look at the Volt. 50ish mile EV range. But much lower hybrid efficiency. More expensive. No real engine, so do ICE engine plus electric motor power to the wheels if you step hard on the gas to merge or pass. Realistically, I'm enthused about how well Toyota and its peers like Hyundai are doing for the 2017 cycle, considering it's still early days for PHEV's. I've been looking for a practical, quality, PHEV transition vehicle while full BEV's mature and the Toyota Prius Prime looks very promising indeed.
It's nicely styled, but the mere 22 miles of electric range is a big turn-off for me. I regularly drive my Volt nearly the entire 38 miles before returning home. I don't use any gas, but in this car, I would. For the driving I do, I think my overall MPG would be lower in the new Prius plug-in. My lifetime average is 220 MPG. If this car could match the 53 miles of electric range in the new Volt, it would be my preferred choice, as the outboard occupant and cargo room is superior.
Fine. For me a GM is a deal breaker based on their reputation and my Saturn experience. The Volt doesn't have a motor that powers the wheels -- just charges the battery. So PHEV's like this will have about 10 better mpg efficiency than the Volt out of EV mode. They'll provide lots of power (from the ICE and the electric motor) to the wheels on demand when you step on the gas for passing, merging, and emergencies. I love the idea of the much longer hybrid range (600+ for the Prius Prime) vs. the Volt. It's nice to have plenty of competition. The cars will get better, and people can choose the features that work best for them.
Roger Geyer The motor does power the wheels for better efficiency when accelerating heavily and driving at high speed. The Volt accelerates quicker, achieving a 0-60 time in the 8 second range, while the Prius is rated in the 10 second range.
Wrong buddy. I own the 2nd gen 2009 Prius and it also has a center touch screen. The 2001 Prius also has a touch screen. Toyota was way ahead of its time. This new screen is just updated as a larger modern one like a tablet.
The Chevy Volt power train set up is still better with an all electric motor that moves the wheels and a range extender to only make electricity. The Prius still needs a transmission, and direct linkage to a internal combustion engine. It's simpler, and a step closer to complete electrification.
I love the design looks better than 2016 no questions about that, but I can't decide whether this car or the Tesla Model 3. This car does have some features that Tesla doesn't have, and it comes out sooner, yet I do want a driverless car for an affordable price. Hard choice.
In the real world, Teslas won't be truly driverless for decades. Marketing is not practical reality. Flawed lane keeping and spotty active cruise control (see many TH-cam demo videos) isn't "Autopilot" by any means.
There is a huge loss in efficiency from the engine to transmission to the wheels. Why not make a car with a small generator that constantly charges the batteries then the batteries could run an efficient electric motor?
The first generation Chevy volt actually tried that but at highway speeds, it's actually more efficient to have the ICE run the wheels directly. That's why the 2nd generation volt allows more modes of parallel hybrid at high speeds than the first generation volt.
+Bobby0345 Lantec is correct. It isn't obvious but a direct drive transmission is actually more efficient at sustained speeds than a generator to traction motor design in a serial hybrid (e.g. BMW i3 REx). At city speeds, the engine attached to a generator is efficient, but a electric generator governed eCVT would be even more so, especially when it can infinitely balance between charging and providing power which can force the engine + electric motor to combine power to drive the wheels. Seems like the Prius Prime can provide this feature, given this car has a new 2 motor drive transaxle.
They’re giving low estimations. On average my car is getting between 72 miles per gallon if on long trips and 135 miles per gallon when using occasional gas and I plug it in all the time.
The volt is not as striking as this. The new volt is leaps and bounds better than the outgoing model. With that said it doesn't have as many sharp lines as this. Not as stricking
Tesla promote themselves as a luxury brand... the Prius is not the Model 3 competition... if Toyota wanted they could do an EV under the Lexus badge to compete with the Model 3
dunhillsupramk3 price set for items determine if they compete or not. When Hyundai releases a 60k car they are saying we have something to offer at this price point despite not being called a luxury brand. This is the same. If they cost the same they are competing for the same dollar amount. I have 40k do I spend it on this or that
Taofiki Gafar no, different brands keep a certain image... but either ways the Prius is like $23k and this car is like $35k for the base Model... this car isn't competing with the Model 3 but this is more of a car you may lease while waiting for your Model 3...
Why don't they make the battery just a bit bigger. Lets say 50 miles pure electric. Maybe the gas engine needs to pull a bit more when you drive on gas but you won't do that too often because your battery is bigger.
+2014andBeyonD Not too good at math? A bit bigger like 5% bigger? 10 bigger? What is a bit? It's simple logic, if you want to more than double the electric range, you'll have to more than double the battery size. A bit bigger will do little.
toyota prius prime is extremely nice, BUT why on earth would you make it seat only 4 ? why not keep the back seat just like any normal car . very disappointing
This is one of the more common complaints, and it is a fair complaint. In other reviews or their Prius Prime webpages (I forget which), Toyota said they made that trade-off to get the efficiency they wanted (i.e. MUCH better hybrid mpg and range than the Volt). It looks like MANY makers are going to have a LOT of PHEV's out by the end of the decade. If you need a five seat car, you should have multiple choices. With luck, Toyota will also have, say, a Camry Prime by the end of the decade. (I'm just hoping - I have zero data on that).
The exterior is amazing. But the interior is a total dealbreaker. The stormtrooper dash is ugly. And the gear knob is tiny, look at its size compared to the guy's hand at 4:53. The rear headroom could be an issue because of the coupe-like roofiline. And the trunk floor seemed very raised, although I could live with that probably.
anybody thinking to buy hybrid, I highly recommend checking out price of a replacement hybrid battery. 10,000=10 years life = 1000$/year just on battery. Buy civic 40 mpg with out any hassle.
been waiting on a car like this for a long time I don't know what the deal was they had Parts on the shelf that could make it way more efficient in miles per gallon but they've been slow f****** it it needs a solar roof and make it multi fuel and it would be the ultimate car
Buh, just make it 2-seats or full 4-seats, I don't think I can always find 2 amputees for the back seats to drive around. Not like Toyota ever really tried with Hybrids, they only make them as a pointless money-grab at this point (to fund better things like the FT1). It's just sad that people are still smug and insecure enough to pay out for this fad just to save a few extra dollars at the pump. Go full electric if you want economy, or just pay for a flex-fuel car, get E85 while it's still subsidized, and go that route. You'll still be paying less in the long run, because you didn't buy a Prius.
+Roger Geyer I'm talking about the engine. Compare that to a Tesla for example which has so few moving parts that they've turned the front engine bay into a boot. This looks like a maintainance nightmare.
Oliver Caine Talking about a Tesla compared to Toyota in terms of reliability is crazy in terms of the real world. Per Consumer Reports, Tesla has MUCH worse than average reliability. Toyota, in its entire history with the Prius, has MUCH better than average reliability. So talking about your intuition about reliability from how the engine compartment looks doesn't say much. Get back to us when the actual data begins to support your position in any meaningful way.
I drive a Prius now and would love to get another one like this - pretty much an electric car. Problem. 4 seater? Wtf Toyota. That right there will make me have to stop and think twice. If it weren't for that, I think I would have been sold and would line up to get one asap. Also, the trunk portion seems a bit smaller than the normal Prius - hmmmm
+Thoughts, Ideas, and what? How often do you bring 3 or 4 more people in your car? How many car do you see on the road that are commuting to work that has 2 or more person? I bet $1000 that the answer to that last question is less than 0.1% !
+Pro Env its not the daily use part - Toyota even recognized this by making prime a hybrid. Otherwise, since the target is commuters with a range of 20miles, why add the engine - because, from time to time there is that need. I have a growing family with a dog. The 4 seats does limit things a bit. Sure not on the daily but, as Toyota knows, from time to time. With a limit of only two cars in my case, I am a bit picky on that second car - cake + eat it too ( may not be possible, but that's where I need to consider options and compromise on what I want and what I can get and afford ( not just purchase but maintenance). The Porsche Macan is on my list, bmw 3GT, x5, MB E-class wagon, nissan Marano. I'm waiting for the Tesla 3 and now the Prime. A car is an expense. The prime seems to tick a lot of boxes but the boot and only 4 seats...space is something I'd like to have, especially with growing kids....
+Pro Env agreed but it lacks the luxury. Granted the prime is not a luxury car, but the tech makes up for that, much like the tesla S ($80k+ and the lux doesn't compare to other cars of that price range).
Thoughts, Ideas, and what? Wow you don't care much about the environment then.... I bought a bran new Outback 2015 and I go camping, got some branches scratches, and it gets muddy. My familly enjoys the off road adventure, so I don't really care about gadgets... My luxury is to be with my famaly and have enought $ do go out for activitys 2-3 times a week.
+Arnis Tarassu Do you actually know what electric and hybrid means? Doesnt seem like you know what you're talking about. Toyota did not market this car as a full-time electric car. Its a hybrid which means 2 different power plant mesh together. A plug-in hybrid simply means a hybrid with plug-in capabilities.
akupehsluarketatAR u guys can fight this shit out, i really have no idea why u r arguing with him, it seems like to me u guys r sayin exactly the same thing
As much as I like Tesla and hybrid vehicles and coming from a techie person... I hate the whole huge touchscreen. Give me a simple layout with buttons and knobs. I don't want a huge screen in front of me whereby I need to dim it and/or wait for it to self-dim or fear included in the risk of cracking the screen. I hate huge screens in my car... we don't need them!
A mass of technology? It only comes with one USB port and two old school cigarette lighter adapters. What were they thinking. I know only one person carries technology in your pocket nowadays.Wow dropped the ball on that one. My truck has six usb ports.
For what? It's a transitional vehicle. If you want a Bolt with GM quality or to wait on a Tesla Model 3 with Tesla quality reputation (much worse than average), feel free. How long will you wait? Maybe two years, more likely three? Will there be mass production quality or volume problems for the model 3? 22 miles isn't perfect, but given the trade-offs, it's not looking bad for those who want quality and reliability and a good staff to service their car near every small city in the US.
My work is more than 22 miles one way. Volt is a much better option. As for their quality it's just one moving part in electric cars I'm not worried about maintenance costs.
Totally agree. Everything else seems good except the rear. Not really liking the weird light thing. I have the 1st gen volt and I don't even have to charge at home throughout the work week because I can make it back and forth to work in less than 30 miles. I just charge at work for free.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. I do like the Prius but this ... this is sad. Tech from Tesla and Chevy. They did not introduce anything from themselves except that ugly ass ...
+Pio tr first hybrid car made in 1901 by fernand Porsche after that the project didn't see the light until toyota create the Prius in 1993 and all other makers follow toyota do some research befor you put your stupid thoughts in comment
2017 Prius Prime and still drive and runs like new! We get about 27 miles of EV driving on a full charge and that is here in the 115+ degree heat of Phoenix. This is the best car we have ever owned and plan to keep driving it for years to come.
Congrats. Toyota has finally made a sexy hybrid.
Must say, the force is strong with this one.
Yah, the Force to repel chics. Or the Force to suck Gas compared to a Chevy Volt. Or the Force to just to suck.
VoltecRules LMAO. Im sure there are tree hugging hot chicks around that would like this Prius. Not my kinda chick though. Ill take a good girl that loves the rumble of a truck instead.
Yah, agreed. Let's face it...trucks rule when it comes to that.
I know the Prius in 1998 was the hottest ride to drive.
But I got to admit this guy knew what he was talking about nice job
Agreed
This guy did a fantastic job
That interior is amazing for Toyota.
That interior is actually something aesthetically pleasing! I actually love the exterior as well much well over the new 2016 Prius! That front end looks much better as well as the new rear tail light!
I'm on board... definitely my next car.
This is the solution....a plug in AND a hybrid engine. I am OWNING THIS.
Didn't the volt do that like 5 years ago?
But it's nice to have options from car companies who make quality cars and have competent service departments, unlike GM.
The Volt doesn't have a real engine in it. So you can't get the power of an ICE and an electric motor when you need power to merge or pass or for emergencies. With other PHEV's like this, you just mash on the gas, and you have all that power when needed.
The Volt was a good idea. Now the serious quality car companies will make PHEV's that every person who cares about the environment will want to drive, and have a practical car.
Allen Monroe: Yes it did, and kudos to them for being first. But it's GM durability (I'll never buy another GM no matter what) and a battery-centric car. So for the 50ish miles EV range, you give up lots of other stuff. Like much lower hybrid range and hybrid mode mileage.
It's much better for the consumer to have choices. Durability is one of the top issues for me in car choices. (Other consumers differ, of course).
omg it looks badass! much better than the other 2016 model
im not going to lie this prius is amazing
The salesman constant sharp intake of breath is tweaking me
wow. pretty impressive. and actually cool looking. i wonder if we're talking high thirties or low thirties in price
I actually don't mind most of it. But the back looks like one of those Samurai Crabs which puts me off a bit.
best description ever!
Compared to 2016 model this is heaven. I was thinking we ll have to tolerate that design for 3 4 years,, but it's good they changed the design.
Amir Khan The base model is still the same design, this is the high end "Prime" model.
Oh didn't knew that. But still it's a good effort to compensate for that ugly model lol.
I'll be the first to say I'm impressed by the Volt in many ways, but there are a few too many compromises that make this Prime Prius attractive to me. As for the range of 22 miles, I too would love to have 50 miles all electric, but Toyota would have to more than double the batteries and that would cost more to buy, add weight to the car, and take away space. The Volt has very little rear seat headroom compared to Prius and although that 53 miles of electric is great, I agree with many the styling of the Volt looks like a 5-year-old Civic. Especially when you look at the new Civic which might be the best looking car in its class now. I can put the Volt's look aside. I'm still waiting for the 2017 volt with adaptive cruise. It still may be my next car, but I'm strongly considering this Prius. I simply trust Toyota more. Lastly, if you think about it, 22 miles really is more than most of us use to commute. Even if it's longer, many of us can also plug in at work doubling the all-electric driving range. Like many, I thought that earlier version of the plug-in Prius was ridiculous with its super short electric range. 22 miles is doable. 50mpg after that is no big deal. Toyota has a winner here and as battery tech increases, future versions of this car will likely have longer all-electric range. Thumbs up.
Andre, nice job lately presenting. Very professional. Всего наилучшего!
looking more futuristic! I like it
What a beautiful, efficient vehicle! I absolutely love the design......... Such a nice departure from all the other boring hybrids out there like Hyundai and Ford.
NICE JOB. Looks lot better than the current Prius release.
I just want to know 2 things:
1) Do these Priuses still have the 4WD feature?
2) Are they available in the USA market?
***** Oh no... From what I've read about the 2016 models, they're supposed to have the 4WD in them, as a first-timer for the Prius.
They'll be available in the US this year, like the guy in the video said, and like it says under Prius Prime on Toyota's website.
Does the engine power the drivetrain like a Prius or is it more similar to a Generator style like the Volt?
This is what the prius has been missing.
He said he's 6'5" and fits? Is that different that past gen Prius'? I didn't think the Prius had that much leg room but I never sat in one.
Does this have lane assist? I'm looking for a car that can self drive on the freeway and follow the lane with little human interaction.
Glad to see the real prius gear knob is back, the standard gear knob/stick in the prius-c was crap as hell.
Can we get a Prius Prime C?
Kirivan: I'm willing to bet that depending on what the marketplace and customers (people looking at the car) tell Toyota, they will be looking to do this on other cars.
My question is how soon? Toyota is making progress on this stuff, but slowly.
Hopefully with MANY makers coming out with PHEV's by decade's end, and makers like Mercedes saying they're going to end up with pretty much all their cars as EV's or PHEV's, the competition will get Toyota to do more of this to more models.
Bigger cars won't get as much EV miles at first, but bigger batteries in bigger cars will help (but cost more).
There are going to be many interesting trade-offs real soon now, IMO. Competition is great for the consumer (both choice and price).
So with the 2nd Generation the Volt went from a 4 seater to a 5 seater and from 38 mi all electric to 53 mi.
Whearas the Prius PHEV changed name and went from a 5 seater to a 4 seater and from 11 mi all electric to 22 mi.
WOW what an improvement Toyota!
Volt is still a 4 seater comfortably.
The 2016 Volt has added a rear-middle seatbelt. Because of the huge center tunnel it wouldn't be comfortable for a long ride, but one could put a childseat in the middle.
And the Volt will still be a battery-centric car, with tons of compromises for the battery. And GM will be a POS company with regard to quality and service compared to companies like Toyota, probably forever.
Why does the Volt get 10 less mpg than the 2016 Prius (and most likely the Prius Prime) in gas mode? Why is the max range on the Volt far less? Why can you get NO power to the wheels with the Volt in gas mode (only charging the battery).
They're different. There are pluses and minuses to both. Pretending like the EV range is all that matters is pretty lame, frankly, but thanks for playing.
singhrais: The Prius Prime has MUCH better hybrid range than the Volt. It has MUCH better hybrid mpg rating than the Volt. It has the Toyota and Prius durability reputation and service reputation which gets top marks -- unlike the GM durability and service reputation (competence) which gets bottom marks.
But let's pretend like EV range is the only thing that matters, shall we?
Do you work for the UAW by any chance?
Roger Geyer Work for who?
Anyways to some people EV range does matter.
I currently have a 36km one-way commute to work, and no possibility (for now) to charge at my workplace. So yes, to me EV range alone does matter when considering a PHEV, because the vast majority of my daily driving has me doing somewhere between 70-80km.
When considering purely a hybrid of course the Prii are among the best options.
But to me the Prime doesn't seem to have enough of a vantage - for how I would mostly use it - over the regular one, since I'd still have to drive the majority with the ICE engaged, and would be dragging around the extra weight of the larger battery pack.
The Volt on the other hand, should be able to get me through most of my day in EV mode. Though I've heard GM isn't planning on bringing it to Europe (and no 2nd Gen. Ampera), so that's a mute argument.
How about why the 3.3WK charger is under the rear seats? This is the reason why it only seats 4. Why can't they relocate the charger to be inside the engine compartment, inside the bumper (like the 1st generation Volt) or under the car in the back? There has got to be a way. If it had at least 30 miles of EV range, it could get a $3100 instant sales tax credit on Washington state.
I believe Toyota has just raised the bar.
how much would it cost to buy this nice looking car and were is it going to build ?
The front fascia looks like Optimus Prime... On a side note, the only problem with hybrid cars in my cold weather is that the engine is not warm enough to turn at normal temperature when the driver hits the highway after the short electric commuting in the suburb. The consequence is horrible: head gasket failure on a brand new car. The solution, plug the block heather.
that is a nice design. Way better than the flagship prius.
Hopefully it comes in different colours than just black plastic for the interior...
Does it come with free 2 day shipping?
Never thought about a prius until this moment.
So What's the cost to charge the battery fully @ .166 kwh?
5:26 Why does a hybrid car with a lithium-ion battery pack needs a 12V lead-acid battery?
+Jesus G. i'd like to see them replace it something lighter. I have an 07 Camry Hybrid and with 130k + miles it still shows no signs of weakness.
+Jesus G. to run 12V accessories. Otherwise, you'd always need a DC-DC converter running to keep a 12V line running from the traction battery. That is inefficient, the power loss adds up. All plugin hybrid and even EVs have a 12V lead acid battery too. It is about time they take out the lead acid and put in an equivalent 12-14V lithium ion pack.
When will there be an all-wheel drive Prius?
also to some of the new gasoline engines get great emissions too
I wonder why they don't do this with all their hybrids in general. Not that I'm bad mouthing their cars, its just that it seems like something that should have been done earlier with ev mode regardless if Chevy has a patent on it. Or maybe get a bigger battery. Plus I don't like the dash board, I like the older models ;)
why does prius still have a 1.8L engine. why not go to 1 liter? or atleast 1.2L
Stas G. so 1.8 is pretty big for today standards.
Well, unlike the Volt, the car still will get well over 50 mpg in hybrid mode. That's the real goal, right -- serious energy efficiency?
If they used a 1.2 or so, then people like you would be complaining that it's not powerful enough. It's about a combination of trade-offs that makes a car which mainstream consumers will want to buy and drive.
Considering it's early days, it looks to me like Toyota and its peers are doing a really good job.
the older ones (mine included) had a 1.5, but they get better mileage with the 1.8 because it doesn't need to rev as high for power going up hills and such.
It has better hybrid mileage by far than every PHEV in its class. When, say, the Volt has 70 mpg in hybrid instead of about half that, then maybe it will be time to worry about that.
How does this compare with the Volt?
Good job, Toyota. If only it seated 5...
I'm very curious for when the prius can compete with the tesla as far as all electric range that will be the future but this is a very great step love it. Was going to get the 2016 this year but looks like 2017 is it. Love my 06 package 8 245k miles and running strong. Average about 500 to the tank depending on the crappy gas we have in Atlanta.
I would have expected more than 22 miles all electric by now though.
Christ Atkinson: I'm confused. Do you mean the Volt EV range? The Teslaa are BEV's - a completely different beast. I wouldn't expect Toyota to have vehicles that compete in EV range with a pure BEV until Toyota starts building pure EV's.
I'm guessing they're preparing for that -- but that's only a guess, and Toyota does move slowly.
Never looked into the volt ev range I was mainly saying that the prius should be able to get a little better ev range.
A great looking car, great job by the presenter, but ....
A HUGE MISS FOR TOYOTA - WHY 4 SEATS ?
We have a fleet of Prius PHEV Plug-In Hybrid (just over 90 cars) ... most of our employees have the need for a car with 5 seats not 4.
There is such a massive pressure on us now to move to Tesla 3 or to the Mercedes C350e.
+Raviv Yael Haddi Because the 3.3KW charge is in the way apparently. It's hard to believe that couldn't relocate it.
I guess Optimus decided to go green.
so can it run on gas also
MUCH better design than the standard 2016 Prius. It would have been nice to see a better range for EV driving, but it's still respectable.
All things in time. Looking at the peers, aside from the Volt, a low EV range and trying to maximize hybrid efficiency and range, and keep the price moderate, seems to be the goal.
As the batteries improve, the ICE mileage will -- or if the demand is there, other options will be provided, with the trade-offs of more weight, more cost, less hybrid mode efficiency, etc.
Look at the Volt. 50ish mile EV range. But much lower hybrid efficiency. More expensive. No real engine, so do ICE engine plus electric motor power to the wheels if you step hard on the gas to merge or pass.
Realistically, I'm enthused about how well Toyota and its peers like Hyundai are doing for the 2017 cycle, considering it's still early days for PHEV's.
I've been looking for a practical, quality, PHEV transition vehicle while full BEV's mature and the Toyota Prius Prime looks very promising indeed.
It's nicely styled, but the mere 22 miles of electric range is a big turn-off for me. I regularly drive my Volt nearly the entire 38 miles before returning home. I don't use any gas, but in this car, I would. For the driving I do, I think my overall MPG would be lower in the new Prius plug-in. My lifetime average is 220 MPG. If this car could match the 53 miles of electric range in the new Volt, it would be my preferred choice, as the outboard occupant and cargo room is superior.
Fine. For me a GM is a deal breaker based on their reputation and my Saturn experience.
The Volt doesn't have a motor that powers the wheels -- just charges the battery. So PHEV's like this will have about 10 better mpg efficiency than the Volt out of EV mode. They'll provide lots of power (from the ICE and the electric motor) to the wheels on demand when you step on the gas for passing, merging, and emergencies. I love the idea of the much longer hybrid range (600+ for the Prius Prime) vs. the Volt.
It's nice to have plenty of competition. The cars will get better, and people can choose the features that work best for them.
Roger Geyer The motor does power the wheels for better efficiency when accelerating heavily and driving at high speed. The Volt accelerates quicker, achieving a 0-60 time in the 8 second range, while the Prius is rated in the 10 second range.
Hmm copying tesla with that center screen I see
So?
how old are you kid ?
+hybridman savage lmao
Wrong buddy. I own the 2nd gen 2009 Prius and it also has a center touch screen. The 2001 Prius also has a touch screen. Toyota was way ahead of its time. This new screen is just updated as a larger modern one like a tablet.
Even The Volvo Cars Of 2016 Are Copying the Tesla Too, Not Just The Prius Prime, Look at the Volvo Xc-90 2016
They don't have to try, they make a great product and will sell, fyi prius is the most sold hybrid car in the world......
It was also one of the 'if not the' first mass produced hybrid electric vehicle.
looks amazing..
The screen is a ripoff from tesla
The Chevy Volt power train set up is still better with an all electric motor that moves the wheels and a range extender to only make electricity. The Prius still needs a transmission, and direct linkage to a internal combustion engine. It's simpler, and a step closer to complete electrification.
Needs a sun roof and Android Auto support for me. QI charging is nice, but it's a shame they didn't go the rest of the way.
I love the design looks better than 2016 no questions about that, but I can't decide whether this car or the Tesla Model 3. This car does have some features that Tesla doesn't have, and it comes out sooner, yet I do want a driverless car for an affordable price. Hard choice.
In the real world, Teslas won't be truly driverless for decades. Marketing is not practical reality. Flawed lane keeping and spotty active cruise control (see many TH-cam demo videos) isn't "Autopilot" by any means.
There is a huge loss in efficiency from the engine to transmission to the wheels. Why not make a car with a small generator that constantly charges the batteries then the batteries could run an efficient electric motor?
The first generation Chevy volt actually tried that but at highway speeds, it's actually more efficient to have the ICE run the wheels directly. That's why the 2nd generation volt allows more modes of parallel hybrid at high speeds than the first generation volt.
+Bobby0345 Lantec is correct. It isn't obvious but a direct drive transmission is actually more efficient at sustained speeds than a generator to traction motor design in a serial hybrid (e.g. BMW i3 REx).
At city speeds, the engine attached to a generator is efficient, but a electric generator governed eCVT would be even more so, especially when it can infinitely balance between charging and providing power which can force the engine + electric motor to combine power to drive the wheels. Seems like the Prius Prime can provide this feature, given this car has a new 2 motor drive transaxle.
at least it looks different and better than the regular.
Price?
I like the tail lights
They’re giving low estimations. On average my car is getting between 72 miles per gallon if on long trips and 135 miles per gallon when using occasional gas and I plug it in all the time.
nice nav screen, Tesla know you ripped them off.
and Tesla ripped it off from Volvo and Lexus concept from the past
Well Toyota did help make the Tesla Model S, sooo......
Finally the Toyota answer to the to be announced Tesla 3. I was waiting. I thought Prius announced few months back would be it. Good job Toyota
The volt is not as striking as this. The new volt is leaps and bounds better than the outgoing model. With that said it doesn't have as many sharp lines as this. Not as stricking
Tesla promote themselves as a luxury brand... the Prius is not the Model 3 competition... if Toyota wanted they could do an EV under the Lexus badge to compete with the Model 3
dunhillsupramk3 price set for items determine if they compete or not. When Hyundai releases a 60k car they are saying we have something to offer at this price point despite not being called a luxury brand. This is the same. If they cost the same they are competing for the same dollar amount. I have 40k do I spend it on this or that
Taofiki Gafar
no, different brands keep a certain image... but either ways the Prius is like $23k and this car is like $35k for the base Model... this car isn't competing with the Model 3 but this is more of a car you may lease while waiting for your Model 3...
wait a min, is that andrie? nice suit :]
Toyota did a great job of ripping off the infotainment screen from Tesla lol
I love this car
Seats 4?
my next car!!! great mpg, great gas millage, great electric range
The wheels are looked small.
Why don't they make the battery just a bit bigger. Lets say 50 miles pure electric. Maybe the gas engine needs to pull a bit more when you drive on gas but you won't do that too often because your battery is bigger.
+2014andBeyonD Not too good at math? A bit bigger like 5% bigger? 10 bigger? What is a bit? It's simple logic, if you want to more than double the electric range, you'll have to more than double the battery size. A bit bigger will do little.
+frogzlove I'm glad keyboard warriors like you exist. Who else is going to correct in the interwebz with reason and logic?
2014andBeyonD Right? It's so hard being me
+frogzlove Oh I believe you on that one.
Well at least the front fascia and rear a bit better
If you install 1kWh battery you can charge is faster than superchargers charge Tesla's. Excellent idea, let's do it!
toyota prius prime is extremely nice, BUT why on earth would you make it seat only 4 ? why not keep the back seat just like any normal car . very disappointing
Normal cars seat 4-5 and SUVs seat 7
This is one of the more common complaints, and it is a fair complaint. In other reviews or their Prius Prime webpages (I forget which), Toyota said they made that trade-off to get the efficiency they wanted (i.e. MUCH better hybrid mpg and range than the Volt).
It looks like MANY makers are going to have a LOT of PHEV's out by the end of the decade. If you need a five seat car, you should have multiple choices. With luck, Toyota will also have, say, a Camry Prime by the end of the decade. (I'm just hoping - I have zero data on that).
The exterior is amazing. But the interior is a total dealbreaker. The stormtrooper dash is ugly. And the gear knob is tiny, look at its size compared to the guy's hand at 4:53. The rear headroom could be an issue because of the coupe-like roofiline. And the trunk floor seemed very raised, although I could live with that probably.
future cars design looks like even todays shoes
22 miles all electric...very convenient! I can't believe he is able to say that with a straight face.
Are they copying from Tesla?
1:32 ... someone in the background is tired :)
the front looks like a mash of lexus and new nsx and the center console looks like its from tesla model s
anybody thinking to buy hybrid, I highly recommend checking out price of a replacement hybrid battery. 10,000=10 years life = 1000$/year just on battery.
Buy civic 40 mpg with out any hassle.
been waiting on a car like this for a long time I don't know what the deal was they had Parts on the shelf that could make it way more efficient in miles per gallon but they've been slow f****** it it needs a solar roof and make it multi fuel and it would be the ultimate car
Buh, just make it 2-seats or full 4-seats, I don't think I can always find 2 amputees for the back seats to drive around.
Not like Toyota ever really tried with Hybrids, they only make them as a pointless money-grab at this point (to fund better things like the FT1). It's just sad that people are still smug and insecure enough to pay out for this fad just to save a few extra dollars at the pump. Go full electric if you want economy, or just pay for a flex-fuel car, get E85 while it's still subsidized, and go that route.
You'll still be paying less in the long run, because you didn't buy a Prius.
hey great 22 miles on electric finally. At least thats half as much as last years volt
panda67: Enjoy that GM durability and service and repair competence (i.e. lack thereof) with the Volt.
Roger Geyer Well i don't know about that but thats a whole different subject
Three Prime trim levels, 3, 4, & 4 Advanced.
+Ivan Vojt I want a 1 or 2.
5:28 That looks expensive to repair/maintain...
Oliver C: Looks very inconsistent with actual data per many awards, Consumer Reports, etc. But thanks for playing.
+Roger Geyer I'm talking about the engine. Compare that to a Tesla for example which has so few moving parts that they've turned the front engine bay into a boot. This looks like a maintainance nightmare.
Oliver Caine Talking about a Tesla compared to Toyota in terms of reliability is crazy in terms of the real world. Per Consumer Reports, Tesla has MUCH worse than average reliability. Toyota, in its entire history with the Prius, has MUCH better than average reliability.
So talking about your intuition about reliability from how the engine compartment looks doesn't say much.
Get back to us when the actual data begins to support your position in any meaningful way.
why only 4 seats, it should have had 5 seats. I would have bought this car if it had 5 seats.
Anyone can explain how do they come up with 120 MPG? (52+22+X = 120)
I drive a Prius now and would love to get another one like this - pretty much an electric car. Problem. 4 seater? Wtf Toyota. That right there will make me have to stop and think twice. If it weren't for that, I think I would have been sold and would line up to get one asap. Also, the trunk portion seems a bit smaller than the normal Prius - hmmmm
+Thoughts, Ideas, and what? How often do you bring 3 or 4 more people in your car? How many car do you see on the road that are commuting to work that has 2 or more person? I bet $1000 that the answer to that last question is less than 0.1% !
+Pro Env its not the daily use part - Toyota even recognized this by making prime a hybrid. Otherwise, since the target is commuters with a range of 20miles, why add the engine - because, from time to time there is that need. I have a growing family with a dog. The 4 seats does limit things a bit. Sure not on the daily but, as Toyota knows, from time to time.
With a limit of only two cars in my case, I am a bit picky on that second car - cake + eat it too ( may not be possible, but that's where I need to consider options and compromise on what I want and what I can get and afford ( not just purchase but maintenance). The Porsche Macan is on my list, bmw 3GT, x5, MB E-class wagon, nissan Marano. I'm waiting for the Tesla 3 and now the Prime.
A car is an expense. The prime seems to tick a lot of boxes but the boot and only 4 seats...space is something I'd like to have, especially with growing kids....
Thoughts, Ideas, and what?
Buy yourself a Subaru Outback. Can't go wrong with that and less expensive than most of the cars you have on that list.
+Pro Env agreed but it lacks the luxury. Granted the prime is not a luxury car, but the tech makes up for that, much like the tesla S ($80k+ and the lux doesn't compare to other cars of that price range).
Thoughts, Ideas, and what?
Wow you don't care much about the environment then.... I bought a bran new Outback 2015 and I go camping, got some branches scratches, and it gets muddy. My familly enjoys the off road adventure, so I don't really care about gadgets... My luxury is to be with my famaly and have enought $ do go out for activitys 2-3 times a week.
This is not electric car. Stop calling plug-in hybrids that.
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+Arnis Tarassu Do you actually know what electric and hybrid means? Doesnt seem like you know what you're talking about. Toyota did not market this car as a full-time electric car. Its a hybrid which means 2 different power plant mesh together. A plug-in hybrid simply means a hybrid with plug-in capabilities.
akupehsluarketatAR wasent that exactly what he ment?.... it seems like to me u guys r telling the exact same thing just using different words?..
The Gaming Norwegian but it is a plug-in hybrid
akupehsluarketatAR u guys can fight this shit out, i really have no idea why u r arguing with him, it seems like to me u guys r sayin exactly the same thing
As much as I like Tesla and hybrid vehicles and coming from a techie person... I hate the whole huge touchscreen. Give me a simple layout with buttons and knobs. I don't want a huge screen in front of me whereby I need to dim it and/or wait for it to self-dim or fear included in the risk of cracking the screen. I hate huge screens in my car... we don't need them!
It needs a sunroof.
+court bowes waaaa! HE HE
+pandarama67 a panoramic sunroof, even better ; )
What the hell does MPGe even mean? It's not a usable number for anything!
If only Toyota could provide super chargers like Tesla, smh. That would really help with sales too.
A mass of technology? It only comes with one USB port and two old school cigarette lighter adapters. What were they thinking. I know only one person carries technology in your pocket nowadays.Wow dropped the ball on that one. My truck has six usb ports.
22 miles not good enough.
For what? It's a transitional vehicle. If you want a Bolt with GM quality or to wait on a Tesla Model 3 with Tesla quality reputation (much worse than average), feel free. How long will you wait? Maybe two years, more likely three? Will there be mass production quality or volume problems for the model 3?
22 miles isn't perfect, but given the trade-offs, it's not looking bad for those who want quality and reliability and a good staff to service their car near every small city in the US.
My work is more than 22 miles one way. Volt is a much better option. As for their quality it's just one moving part in electric cars I'm not worried about maintenance costs.
Totally agree. Everything else seems good except the rear. Not really liking the weird light thing. I have the 1st gen volt and I don't even have to charge at home throughout the work week because I can make it back and forth to work in less than 30 miles. I just charge at work for free.
Thankfully, the all-electric range is actually *25* miles.
Toyota is mindless thinking 20 miles will make us jump on it, for now 240 mile plus gm bolt only
so you're telling me it's a Chevy Volt.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. I do like the Prius but this ... this is sad. Tech from Tesla and Chevy. They did not introduce anything from themselves except that ugly ass ...
+Pio tr Copying works for Hyundai and Kia, so it should work here.
+Pio tr first hybrid car made in 1901 by fernand Porsche after that the project didn't see the light until toyota create the Prius in 1993
and all other makers follow toyota
do some research befor you put your stupid thoughts in comment
The only stupid here is you, since reading with understanding is non existent in your case.
Pio tr: You produce nothing but nonsensical comments with no truth. Congrats.
Toyota Prius prime, and only 3 passagers places ??? really ?
I would have made a Prius V Prime for room and range!....imho....
wtf is up with the rear lol
Aerodynamics
In my opinion, i think that this actually looks better then any tesla cars... I dont really like the way that tesla looks.
Front end looks too much like an Acure
You're saying that like its a bad thing, lol. Anything to make this great car look more appealing.