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  • @JTBarrentine
    @JTBarrentine ปีที่แล้ว +643

    23 EDO is the Can't-Can't

    • @JoBot__
      @JoBot__ ปีที่แล้ว +77

      Huh, it does sound to be closer to a minor key than a major key. 🤔

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +108

      @@JoBot__ You're correct. That's because the fifth in 23edo is so flat, that the functions are inversed. A sharp flattens the note and a flat sharpens it. 16edo does it too.
      This inversion thing is called Mavila temperament after a village in Mosambique. The 135/128 comma is tempered out instead of 81/80 comma. (edited because I made a mistake)
      If you want more information, look up this site: en.xen.wiki/w/Mavila_temperament
      It also contains links to listening examples.
      I also do an ongoing series, called "Mavila Experiments" because I was heavily inspired by Mike Battaglia's "The Mavila Experiments".
      Here is the playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLLZE7hMjEXRZI50JGo2JwlJe-LEvIkwGj.html

    • @JTBarrentine
      @JTBarrentine ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@FranciumMusic would you ever consider making videos going more in-depth about the division of octaves and how equally dividing an octave more or less affects the musical function? Pretty niche topic, but I think it'd be really cool.

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +16

      That's a nice idea which I didn't consider for longer than a few seconds. There are some people going in depth about specific EDOs, but the only ones I can recall now are Supahstar Saga going in depth about 19edo and Zhea Erose going in depth about 31edo.
      Besides of the xenwiki pages and some people talking about specific ideas in specific tunings I don't know anyone really who does videos about microtonal music theory. Also you might consider that it would be much work for a person to do. And I don't know if I can explain stuff well enough.

    • @JTBarrentine
      @JTBarrentine ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FranciumMusic understandable, that would be quite the undertaking! I appreciate the reply, I'll have to check out these resources.

  • @omnisel
    @omnisel ปีที่แล้ว +350

    I can't help but hear it as an out of tune piano, like a well used one at a bar or something.

    • @InventorZahran
      @InventorZahran ปีที่แล้ว +14

      19, 31, and 26EDO definitely have that feel!

    • @David_K_Booth
      @David_K_Booth ปีที่แล้ว +5

      i think Francium knows that in meatspace, pianos are not tuned to equal temperament. That's so mean. Even the first example sounds out of tune. Care to add an alternative version using a just intonation?

    • @nandocordeiro5853
      @nandocordeiro5853 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@David_K_Boothstill sounds out of tune bro

    • @NikodAnimations
      @NikodAnimations หลายเดือนก่อน

      And then 23-EDO is just a case of acoustic assault

  • @Kurokeet
    @Kurokeet ปีที่แล้ว +191

    This honestly just sounds like the Can-Can but it slowly gets more depressed then 7edo hits and its the French Revolution.

    • @normanclatcher
      @normanclatcher ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Orpheus in the Underworld ↘️ Orpheus on Bastille Day

    • @adamferguson1064
      @adamferguson1064 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@normanclatcherOrpheus in Moscow

  • @GurtBFroe1
    @GurtBFroe1 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    The distinction between major and minor seems to be neutralized in 7edo. It's almost unsettling.

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +39

      It is neutralised in 7edo. Major and minor don't exist in this tuning system.

    • @havokmusicinc
      @havokmusicinc ปีที่แล้ว +15

      yes, with only 7 equally spaced notes there is no distinction between half and whole steps, meaning no distinction between major or minor or any of the modes (like the mixolydian part). 7edo is a nice system for playing pentatonic music though

    • @blockmath8257
      @blockmath8257 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@havokmusicinc or heptonic music

  • @iangreer4585
    @iangreer4585 ปีที่แล้ว +309

    As someone with perfect pitch, I was reaching for my paper brown bag to try and grasp for life with when we got to 5 EDO

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +50

      That's understandable. It is complicated, quite impossible for someone with perfect pitch, to hear xenharmonic music if you didn't grow up with it.

    • @Edwing77
      @Edwing77 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      If it means anything to you, I don't have perfect pitch, in fact I'm not even a musician; however, deeply out of tune these and particularly this one sound to me too - which I guess they could be said to, relatively to what we're used to; no worries though, I do grasp the idea, and while it's great for illustration to have some music that one knows how it's "supposed to" sound, one might not do these alternative numbers of division of octaves complete justice other than with pieces composed for / in them...
      FWIW, 23EDO sounds even worse 😅

    • @SuperRhyolite
      @SuperRhyolite ปีที่แล้ว +5

      same this was a painful experience lol

    • @_Pike
      @_Pike ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shut up

    • @aptaltruist
      @aptaltruist ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I have it too, it pains me because it just doesn't feel right, it feels like my mind is skewed and everything I hear is wrong, since I only knew the most common/western tunings and notes.

  • @lordvetinari1331
    @lordvetinari1331 ปีที่แล้ว +160

    This makes me want to write Fugue and Cantata for A Broken Down Ice Cream Truck

  • @thenickli
    @thenickli ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Plot twist: 5 edo is just a normal recording of a school piano that hasn't been tuned in 15 years

    • @Fire_Axus
      @Fire_Axus 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      what are the chances?

  • @lordvetinari1331
    @lordvetinari1331 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    perfect pitch and a fascination with microtonal music has left me cringing and smiling in equal.measure while watching this

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Wait, what do you mean by this? These two things in one person?
      If so, then I am one of these people, even if I don't say so often anymore that I have perfect pitch, it isn't as perfect as the name suggests.

    • @StockhausenScores
      @StockhausenScores ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@FranciumMusichow did you do this? I can't do that in Musescore!

    • @TristinBailey
      @TristinBailey ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@StockhausenScores
      If you open the Inspector (either through the View tab on the toolbar or by pressing F8) you can adjust the tuning of each individual note.
      Also, you can select multiple notes at once by holding Ctrl and clicking the ones you want, rather than manually changing every single pitch-class by the same amount individually.

  • @scottishcheese13
    @scottishcheese13 ปีที่แล้ว +192

    Huh, great idea of using a well-known song for comparing the sounds of different tuning systems

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Thank you.

    • @cubicinfinity2
      @cubicinfinity2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It's a limited practice though. This is a song specifically written for 12edo. So, tunings like 19 and 31 are hardly different from the original and some others like 23 and 5 stand out more.

    • @ConvincingPeople
      @ConvincingPeople 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@cubicinfinity2I think the meantones are pretty noticeably different. The softened leading tone, particularly where it gets pushed full on into neutral interval territory in 19, is pretty striking and weird when juxtaposed against 12. It's not *as* weird as a tuning like 27, let alone the really outré ones, but something definitely feels weird about it, particularly with this sharp, bright MIDI piano timbre.

  • @DmitriShostakovichDSCH
    @DmitriShostakovichDSCH ปีที่แล้ว +28

    i have perfect pitch and was raised on soviet classical. i was dying by 22 EDO. this is something i can only watch one time 😭

    • @thetageist
      @thetageist ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Heh, nice username. I also like Shostakovich's work.

    • @poisonrozzie
      @poisonrozzie ปีที่แล้ว

      It's natural 😅

    • @Fire_Axus
      @Fire_Axus 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      stop getting so emotional

  • @evelyngeier7326
    @evelyngeier7326 ปีที่แล้ว +125

    **cries in near-perfect pitch**

    • @coryfreake9070
      @coryfreake9070 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Wouldn't that just be a moan?

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +30

      I feel so sorry for you. And I know this feeling way too well. It seems awful at first but your brain can accommodate to it. Then it doesn't seem bad anymore.

    • @coryfreake9070
      @coryfreake9070 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@_Pike I know a few people like that.

    • @Fire_Axus
      @Fire_Axus 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      stop getting so emotional

    • @SatanicDesolation
      @SatanicDesolation 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Crying in 24edo pitch, actually. Real perfect pitch should work in any temperament

  • @cdscissor
    @cdscissor ปีที่แล้ว +20

    OK so legitimately, when listening to this, I did not hear the shift to 31edo at all. It's been so normalised to my ears that it doesn't sound "microtonal" to me at all.

    • @squaddiepete
      @squaddiepete ปีที่แล้ว

      I felt it only subtly differently at first, too. Until it shifted key from D to G major. If I were a husky, I'd be howling at this stage!

    • @havokmusicinc
      @havokmusicinc ปีที่แล้ว +5

      31 is the logical extension of meantone tuning and is a very good fit for most western music, as it makes many of the chords we use sound great. It starts to fall apart with very chromatic music though.

    • @mintegral1719
      @mintegral1719 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Well yeah, it has a close approximation of the diatonic scale. I think you could put most 12edo music into 31 and very few people would notice.

  • @lockedgaming6081
    @lockedgaming6081 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    7edo sounds like your sad but someone is tickling your neck

  • @cackles1005
    @cackles1005 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    This makes me feel like I'm dying... I listened to it twice.

  • @caedavch.9883
    @caedavch.9883 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The moment 19edo hit, I got that feeling where "something isn't quite right, but I don't know what it is or how to fix it"

    • @JustAHuman-gb5go
      @JustAHuman-gb5go ปีที่แล้ว

      For me, it was "It's wrong, but I like it this way..."

    • @Fire_Axus
      @Fire_Axus 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      your feelings were irrational

    • @crimsonplanks623
      @crimsonplanks623 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Fire_Axus isn't it truly awesome that feelings aren't based on logic?

    • @Fire_Axus
      @Fire_Axus 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@crimsonplanks623 no

    • @Fire_Axus
      @Fire_Axus 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@crimsonplanks623 yes

  • @basedokadaizo
    @basedokadaizo ปีที่แล้ว +25

    i've always been interested in microtonality! this is a really good video to help me start to grasp it a little! i grew up with western music theory, so my knowledge of tone is severely limited in regards to the endless possibilities. this feels like a good way for me to start removing that limit! subscribed!

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you!

    • @iwbmo
      @iwbmo ปีที่แล้ว

      subscribing!? good idea

    • @iLikeTheUDK
      @iLikeTheUDK 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You know Zhea Erose? She's been writing almost exclusively in nonstandard tuning systems for the past decade or so

  • @tyjuarez
    @tyjuarez ปีที่แล้ว +14

    is this what the CIA uses to torture people with perfect pitch?

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I asked myself too if microtonal music was used for torture. Then years later I was bored and fascinated by it enough to go through it.

  • @Ace-in8qr
    @Ace-in8qr ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I don't even have perfect pitch and that was still one of the most painful things I've ever listened to.
    10/10 would torture myself again.

    • @Fire_Axus
      @Fire_Axus 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      real

  • @oryx3
    @oryx3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Gradual descent into insanity for both performer and listener!

  • @fazergazer
    @fazergazer ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I would be interested in the tunings common in the EDO period of Japan.

  • @k0ncursus
    @k0ncursus ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I actually got pain in the middle of my forehead listening to this

  • @eliorahg
    @eliorahg ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Congratulations for composing something in 248971642920edo!

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you! This is the great thing about tuning comparisons.

  • @bgqt
    @bgqt 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    the dude with "perfect pitch": THIS SONG IS OUT OF TUNE!!!
    chads: MMMM MIKROTONE

  • @stephenweigel
    @stephenweigel ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Omg i can’t believe how 12edo-like the 17edo one sounded

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That's interesting...
      Maybe this perception stems from the 17edo version being between the 22edo and 27edo versions, compared to these two 17edo sounds mostly like 12edo.
      For me, the major thirds are way too sharp for saying that the 17edo sounds like 12edo.

    • @curtisadams6048
      @curtisadams6048 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was surprised that it changed less in 17 than in 22. I guess it's that the melody is more important than the harmony.

    • @candyman4769
      @candyman4769 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@curtisadams6048 I think the difference has to do with the ratios, as the differences between notes in 22 edo and 12 edo cycle every half an octave, making it impossible to play thirds and sixths while 17/12 has every other note match.

    • @CompactStar
      @CompactStar 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is honestly not much further from 12edo than 19edo, it's just going in the sharper direction so you can't call it "meantone", remembering that 12edo is particularly sharp (but not 100% inaccurate) as a meantone tuning.

    • @beta356
      @beta356 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCES IN THE FOURTHS

  • @peterclaro_
    @peterclaro_ ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Not sure why I was recommended this but I'm very glad I was :)

  • @Bokatrice
    @Bokatrice ปีที่แล้ว +7

    5edo sounds like when I'm trying to learn a song by ear and I get the key completely wrong

    • @YCbCr
      @YCbCr 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Feels like navigating around every second stuck key on a dilapidated school piano. :D

  • @thetageist
    @thetageist ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is what it’s like to practice on any non-electric piano in a university music building.

  • @g-ray4088
    @g-ray4088 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i like how the sharper the generator's fifth gets the more it sounds like 5edo

  • @thekathal
    @thekathal ปีที่แล้ว +44

    31edo works really nicely lol

    • @mintegral1719
      @mintegral1719 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The major 3rds are more in tune than 12edo :)

  • @Slaydrik
    @Slaydrik ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I like how it gets minor by the end

  • @MichaelDarrow-tr1mn
    @MichaelDarrow-tr1mn 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i thought i was paying attention, and then 23edo

  • @XaveProductions
    @XaveProductions ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Everyone’s grandma has a piano that sounds like this

  • @AmtrakCitiesSprinter64
    @AmtrakCitiesSprinter64 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Next: Can Can in meantone, Pythagorean tuning, and just intonation

    • @havokmusicinc
      @havokmusicinc ปีที่แล้ว +1

      31 is basically meantone already

    • @YoVariable
      @YoVariable 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      19 is also meantone, but approximately 1/3-comma meantone

  • @squaddiepete
    @squaddiepete ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's like listening to the sound of an Ice Cream truck as the acid starts to hit....

  • @Lasersharp
    @Lasersharp ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Quite interesting! Though I wonder - why is it that the 23EDO sounds closer to a minor key? [EDIT - I see this explained in previous comments now. Quite an interesting phenomenon here!]

  • @CathodeRayKobold
    @CathodeRayKobold ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When your toy keyboard is running out of battery

  • @ottogibbs
    @ottogibbs ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This stings, it truly stings. This is perfect pitch abuse

    • @whale4304
      @whale4304 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Even as someone with very much not perfect pitch, it still hurts.

    • @poisonrozzie
      @poisonrozzie ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It didn't feel like torture, in my case. It was absolutely fascinating 😁. I also wanted to test my own pitch sensitivity 😅...

  • @BrigantinosDoRoudos
    @BrigantinosDoRoudos 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    23edo has a really "soviet rubble" vibe to it

  • @saveliysotnikov2383
    @saveliysotnikov2383 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is genuinely the most fun microtonal music I've heard in a long while. Loved it!

  • @Shirayumi9090
    @Shirayumi9090 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really liked the 31 EDO version. The 5 EDO one gave horror movie vibes though 😂

  • @bragtime1052
    @bragtime1052 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love these 😲❤
    The 7edo one is my favorite 😌
    -Carmen

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I had a very strong suspicion that you were Carmen since I've read that 7edo is your favourite. And I was right!
      Hello and welcome, Carmen! Nice to see you here! 💜👋

    • @bragtime1052
      @bragtime1052 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@FranciumMusic😀 😊👋

  • @Jorgin_Legal6
    @Jorgin_Legal6 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Most of them: funky color palette.
    5-edo: didn't buy enough paint, had to paint in black and white.
    23-edo: evil mode.
    7-edo: didn't buy yellow and blue, had to do all the shading with green.

  • @nohintshere
    @nohintshere ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i hear ever different colors for each version of this, ranging from slightly different than the original to absolutely fucked up and it both scares me and fascinates me
    oh also my head hurts now

  • @jwbstuhr
    @jwbstuhr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i would kill for an extended 23EDO version. please im begging

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I already did that: th-cam.com/video/t-AwQiGzwO0/w-d-xo.html

  • @Xebelan
    @Xebelan ปีที่แล้ว

    23 edo is my fav, it's listenable and sounds like perhaps a tense chase theme across rooftops in Paris

  • @utvpoop
    @utvpoop ปีที่แล้ว +5

    31edo sounded OK to me

  • @tonescape1
    @tonescape1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @Francium : Bravo! A great tour-de-force using a familiar piece to demonstrate the different moods (ref. Ivor Darreg) of various EDOs. I like the way you ordered the tunings in such a way that for this piece the earlier ones sound more "normal"/"right", and gradually progress to more "weird"/"wrong".

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you very much!

  • @danielamdurer1779
    @danielamdurer1779 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The early meantones sounded slightly off, but close enough that you could probably convince me it was always like that. Superpyths, not so much. By 5, it's still recognisable, but the 0 cent intervals really screw with it. 26 sounds almost superpyth-ish in terms of how off it is, despite being the exact opposite. 23 is just not the can-can, it's like 5 but worse. 7 should be really terrible, but after 5, 26 and 23, it's an improvement.

  • @Piano_Board
    @Piano_Board ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i couldnt actually notice it for abit but now i do 😭😭

  • @ibalrog
    @ibalrog ปีที่แล้ว

    Some of these sound fantastic, and some sound like demented music boxes. Super cool.

  • @mikepro500
    @mikepro500 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    5:31 Mr. Incredible becoming uncanny 💀

  • @TristinBailey
    @TristinBailey ปีที่แล้ว

    This is awesome.

  • @KnapfordMaster98
    @KnapfordMaster98 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Last chord sounds like a landline ringing.

  • @f1f1s
    @f1f1s ปีที่แล้ว

    Can-can but it gets progressively cursed. *happy Wyschnegradsky noises*

  • @ralphanthonyespos9417
    @ralphanthonyespos9417 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I dunno what ##EDO is, but hearing through all of these, I think I sing in 26EDO.

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +15

      EDO stands for Equally Divided Octave. Sometimes you see also ed2, that is the same, since the ratio 2/1 is an octave. There are many ways to do microtonal music.

    • @gaopinghu7332
      @gaopinghu7332 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@FranciumMusicwhat is the difference between tet and edo?

    • @cubicinfinity2
      @cubicinfinity2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gaopinghu7332 It's basically the same. I used to say TET, but EDO has better SEO as that gets used more often around here.

    • @qazw5414
      @qazw5414 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gaopinghu7332they're different names for the same thing. they are synonyms

    • @423adriana
      @423adriana ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@gaopinghu7332standardly, TET is only used for 12

  • @eclipse_eternal8178
    @eclipse_eternal8178 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    7 edo sounds fricking amazing

  • @abrahamo2895
    @abrahamo2895 ปีที่แล้ว

    22edo sounds like the doppler effect forever

  • @beyondobscure
    @beyondobscure ปีที่แล้ว

    7edo sounds like an ice cream truck breaking down.

  • @listenandbelieve
    @listenandbelieve ปีที่แล้ว

    "...and in the end, should someone die?"

  • @foaadfallah2143
    @foaadfallah2143 ปีที่แล้ว

    So cool great❤❤

  • @CHUNGAandNANOOK
    @CHUNGAandNANOOK ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No 53? 😢

  • @benjaminfekete-nester6843
    @benjaminfekete-nester6843 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    How the hell did the 23 EDO switch it to minor??!!!

    • @YoVariable
      @YoVariable 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The fifth is so flat in 23 EDO that traditional chord functions are reversed: major becomes minor and minor becomes major. This is called mavila temperament.

  • @glassphoenix9095
    @glassphoenix9095 ปีที่แล้ว

    as someone whos generally musically illiterate my thought process the whole time i was watching this was "that doesnt sound right, but i dont know enough about music to dispute it"

  • @dominikclarke6545
    @dominikclarke6545 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    5edo sounds like slendro lol, can imagine it on a gamelan

  • @rocket4320
    @rocket4320 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tbh after hearing this. I think i need to pour bleach into my ears. To the perfect pitch people and other musicians you know what im talking about.

  • @jackweslycamacho8982
    @jackweslycamacho8982 ปีที่แล้ว

    23edo is so dramatic amazing

    • @jackweslycamacho8982
      @jackweslycamacho8982 ปีที่แล้ว

      7edo sounds desperate, like the piano's grasping for air

  • @p8p877
    @p8p877 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this just illustrates how most of western music is built around 12 tet. The piece sounded wonky melodically because western music took advantage of 12 tet's whole step (major second) and the fact that it was only 4 cents off and built around that melodically. Not many edos have a good whole step (31tet has -10 cents, 19 tet -14, 7 tet -10)

  • @Tortualex
    @Tortualex ปีที่แล้ว +1

    7edo sounds like beetwen minor and major, but some parts sound more like minor and others more like major, IDK if it's because my brain mixes it with the original piece, or it's the motif and rythm handling that the composer did.

    • @Trainwreck3000
      @Trainwreck3000 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      your brain is conditioned to look for minor and major sounds, 7edo is directly between minor and major.

  • @alfonzo_
    @alfonzo_ ปีที่แล้ว

    the 5edo reminded me of another microtonal song (Sevish - Fifteen)
    then I realized that's in 15 edo so 5edo overlaps that perfectly

  • @linusemmerich3424
    @linusemmerich3424 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just opened this video reading microtonal but i was not really sure what was about to rape my ears. As someone with perfect pitch this video made me cringe so much. Let's do it again!
    EDIT: I listened to it three times and now I have headache xD

  • @trulyunknowable
    @trulyunknowable ปีที่แล้ว

    Could Could

  • @randomGDstanyt
    @randomGDstanyt 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Y e s b y 7 sounds t e r r i b l e

    • @randomGDstanyt
      @randomGDstanyt 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      you know what nevermind i take that back

  • @kangalio
    @kangalio ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Taking a 12edo song and "quantizing" it to other tuning systems as a form of conversion; that's just badly tuned 12edo isn't it?

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In some cases you could see it as bad tuned 12edo because it is very similar in the use in the diatonic scales. Other tuning systems I used here don't support any diatonic scales because you need certain intervals for the diatonic range which don't exist in these. The argumentation of bad tuned 12edo would be more difficult in these cases.

    • @kangalio2
      @kangalio2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@FranciumMusic Even for tuning systems that don't have enough keys in an octave to support diatonic scales, "converting" a 12edo song to it is equivalent to changing every of the twelve semitones by a specific value, right? I calculated them in Python to illustrate the point:
      [19edo]
      0: +0 cents
      1: +26 cents
      2: -11 cents
      3: +16 cents
      4: -21 cents
      5: +5 cents
      6: +32 cents
      7: -5 cents
      8: +21 cents
      9: -16 cents
      10: +11 cents
      11: -26 cents
      [31edo]
      0: +0 cents
      1: +16 cents
      2: -6 cents
      3: +10 cents
      4: -13 cents
      5: +3 cents
      6: +19 cents
      7: -3 cents
      8: +13 cents
      9: -10 cents
      10: +6 cents
      11: -16 cents
      [22edo]
      0: +0 cents
      1: +9 cents
      2: +18 cents
      3: +27 cents
      4: -18 cents
      5: -9 cents
      6: +0 cents
      7: +9 cents
      8: +18 cents
      9: -27 cents
      10: -18 cents
      11: -9 cents
      [17edo]
      0: +0 cents
      1: -29 cents
      2: +12 cents
      3: -18 cents
      4: +24 cents
      5: -6 cents
      6: -35 cents
      7: +6 cents
      8: -24 cents
      9: +18 cents
      10: -12 cents
      11: +29 cents
      [27edo]
      0: +0 cents
      1: -11 cents
      2: -22 cents
      3: +11 cents
      4: +0 cents
      5: -11 cents
      6: +22 cents
      7: +11 cents
      8: +0 cents
      9: -11 cents
      10: -22 cents
      11: +11 cents
      [5edo]
      0: +0 cents
      1: -100 cents
      2: +40 cents
      3: -60 cents
      4: +80 cents
      5: -20 cents
      6: -120 cents
      7: +20 cents
      8: -80 cents
      9: +60 cents
      10: -40 cents
      11: +100 cents
      [26edo]
      0: +0 cents
      1: -8 cents
      2: -15 cents
      3: -23 cents
      4: +15 cents
      5: +8 cents
      6: +0 cents
      7: -8 cents
      8: -15 cents
      9: +23 cents
      10: +15 cents
      11: +8 cents
      [23edo]
      0: +0 cents
      1: +4 cents
      2: +9 cents
      3: +13 cents
      4: +17 cents
      5: +22 cents
      6: +26 cents
      7: -22 cents
      8: -17 cents
      9: -13 cents
      10: -9 cents
      11: -4 cents
      [7edo]
      0: +0 cents
      1: +71 cents
      2: -29 cents
      3: +43 cents
      4: -57 cents
      5: +14 cents
      6: +86 cents
      7: -14 cents
      8: +57 cents
      9: -43 cents
      10: +29 cents
      11: -71 cents

  • @SuperJxl
    @SuperJxl ปีที่แล้ว

    i like the last one

  • @BrigantinosDoRoudos
    @BrigantinosDoRoudos 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you can tell the degree to which everything is off versus your memory of the song by the first iteration does that mean you have perfect pitch

  • @danielmilitello4795
    @danielmilitello4795 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm just curious if all of this was made possible using MusesScore 3's note inspector or the Xentuner plugin for MuseScore 4?

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It was made with an Plugin for MuseScore 3 called "5 to 117EDO Tuning Suite", for which the support is discontinued in favour of the XenTuner plugin.

  • @gdplayer19
    @gdplayer19 ปีที่แล้ว

    Made me feel like my nervous system is collapsing in on itself🤢

  • @MorreKorb
    @MorreKorb ปีที่แล้ว

    This sounds like a rapidly aging Muttzart doll

  • @meltedgingerbreadmusic81
    @meltedgingerbreadmusic81 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Reading these comments, I feel weird for having perfect pitch and enjoying this video
    7edo was my favorite….

  • @ThaetusZain
    @ThaetusZain ปีที่แล้ว

    man, things really need to be recomposed towards their tuning. Even think with something like 19, you can tell when it's been re-tooled and when it was naturally written for the tuning.

  • @alexzgreat133
    @alexzgreat133 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    27 edo literally turns it minor

  • @JustAHuman-gb5go
    @JustAHuman-gb5go ปีที่แล้ว

    5 EDO is awesome.

  • @purplrshadowyay
    @purplrshadowyay 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    7EDO just sounds cursed

  • @chenguangli4385
    @chenguangli4385 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What plugin did you use to get the microtonality?

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I used the 5 to 117 EDO Tuning Suite plugin, which is only supported by MuseScore 3. Unfortunately a microtonal plugin for MuseScore 4 doesn't exist yet.

  • @bananas8762
    @bananas8762 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds like a normal day in 6th grade band/strings class.

  • @ColdBloodedCreaturae
    @ColdBloodedCreaturae ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh my god my EARS. 5 EDO is going to be the END of me.

  • @not_estains
    @not_estains 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    5 edo is so restrictive it's funny

  • @BioluminescenceOfTheSpirit
    @BioluminescenceOfTheSpirit ปีที่แล้ว

    i know so little of music theory that i would assume that someone is leaning on a piano with a cracked frame at various points and i'm hearing various strings trying to pick up on each others harmonics and getting progressively worse.

  • @robertwilloughby8050
    @robertwilloughby8050 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do the whole of Focuses "Carnival Fugue" in 7EDO!

    • @robertwilloughby8050
      @robertwilloughby8050 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ps. Wait a minute, that would be "Carnival Fugue" on a Cimbalom!

  • @Nonkel_Jef
    @Nonkel_Jef ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can I have your permission to use this at 1.5x speed for a video where I throw a paper plane called “Le Croissant”?

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Sure. If you write in the description from where you got it, you're good to go!

    • @Nonkel_Jef
      @Nonkel_Jef ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@FranciumMusic will do

  • @deat3321
    @deat3321 ปีที่แล้ว

    Me who hears everything the same...
    What ya'll talkin about? It's the same sound? I hear no difference

  • @yandrak6134
    @yandrak6134 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is this genuinely? I don't understand microtonality is, or how it works. Did you change all note heights except the Ds (Res) ?

    • @FranciumMusic
      @FranciumMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, I changed the tones except the A4 which is 440 Hz with a plugin. I don't know exactly how it works tho.

  • @InventorZahran
    @InventorZahran ปีที่แล้ว +1

    19, 31, and 26EDO just sounds like slightly out-of-tune 12TET. 23 and 7EDO sound like the piece has been transcribed to the relative minor key, and played on a very badly tuned piano...

  • @danyunowork
    @danyunowork ปีที่แล้ว

    Did I miss the ice cream van? Sounds like he was driving faster than a fire engine.

  • @KaneyoriHK
    @KaneyoriHK ปีที่แล้ว

    Me when too much Vibe Pedal

  • @usernamelessnessless
    @usernamelessnessless ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In alternative reality they are all performances in arabic counries. Offenbach never existed.

  • @МаксимСтепанов-м6ч
    @МаксимСтепанов-м6ч ปีที่แล้ว

    Never heard of the concept before. What can this be used for in practice?

    • @Memories_broken_
      @Memories_broken_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Idk about practice but.. saloon music sounds real nice when played in an out of tune piano

    • @AramaxTheHuman
      @AramaxTheHuman ปีที่แล้ว +2

      well, most common usage of microtonality in the west is in blues music. microtonality offers the ability to be more in tune (the harmonic series; just intonation) and can really affect the emotion of a piece!
      microtonality is also found in traditional music all around the globe (central african music, gamelan, arab and turkish music, etc.)
      there is a LOT of tuning systems and theory behind microtonality. you could check out hear between the lines, zhea erose, sevish, xotla, brendan byrnes, and others if this interests you!

  • @JannekeGoossens
    @JannekeGoossens 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I kinda like 26 and 23 in a weird way; they are kind of mixolydian and minor sounding, respectively.

  • @SukacitaYeremia
    @SukacitaYeremia ปีที่แล้ว

    Worst thing that could happen is you lose your sense of normal 12EDO.
    Right?

  • @elijahkropf
    @elijahkropf ปีที่แล้ว

    What was the software you used to write this?