This is being done by California liberal transplants. Now their here in Arizona filing lawsuits for every little thing. It always starts with stuff like this. Leave the horses alone, Robin Silver needs to leave Arizona. He's taking up to much resources!!!
Patience is needed by the environmentalist who want to quickly dispatch hundreds of horses.. It sounds like the population control methods are working, it just takes time. These horses have been there for a very long time, and other animals have adapted to the environment with horses in it..
Proof positive that some people have too damn much time on their hands & just want to virtue signal to get attention. Someone slap some sense into them please!
Horses are like any other animal. They eat. And there's only so much forage available. Landscape might be green but that doesn't mean the horses will eat it. Horses compete with other herbivores too. Like deer. And don't forget about the parasites in the poop that gets into the salt river.
Horses eating vegetation reduced wild fire risk. I saw wild horses near rhe Tonto river being taken care of by a crazy Karen. These animals belong to Apache tribes.
@@blaiseaimee7098 go tell one to their face. They'll bits and rear up on you. They're aggressive and territorial. I've met them in person and it chased me down.
The horses were there a long time ago and are a state treasure. Plus they are on federal and state desert. They are lieing through their teeth! They are not starving at all! I see them grazing and there is plenty for them to forage on Plus they have a couple of rivers that they drink and eat from. Whoever is behind this is just trying to make trouble! LEAVE OUR HORSES ALONE! Go do something constructive with your lives!
I see no problem with a birth control method of herd size management, nor do I see a problem with people/groups providing additional nutrition if they choose to do so, but I do have a problem with outside interest groups wanting to remove the Arizona mustangs. Makes me skeptical about who this idea really benefits?
The only thing thats being forced is cattle. And those thousands of cattle are the problem not a couple hundred horses. Public land. We pay taxes to cover the BLM. Its to take care of these animals not eradicate them. People. These horses belong to the public.
These horses have family groups, stallions have "their" mares and as the foals grow they are a part of that family structure for quite a while. Horses remember who their family is, even after long separation. I think it is heartbreaking that many people don't understand it. Taking some of them, as when they are randomly rounded up by helicopter, breaks family members apart, usually forever. The world is on course to learn much about love and caring. ❤
I’ve lived in AZ my whole life and it hasn’t been until recently that there were any horses even there. They are feral and impact the environment unfavorably.
Too many in a certain location can devastate vegetation, BUT it looks like the management group has a solution. And as the woman said, it's going to take time. That is a very true statement, since horses in the wild, without an accident, can live between 15 and 30 years, seeing a population reduction will take a while.
@@Yanoathese are the people we are up against. More California people who have never seen these animals in person advocate for something they don't know anything about. 🙄
There couldn't be too many horses because we drove around the Salt River for an entire afternoon with another couple looking for them and never saw one horse. We were very disappointed ! The horses stay at the Salt River !!! Hopefully next time we go we will see a horse.
the horses are ok all the trouble is others just hate them. so they make up stuff. In my domestic horses we noted the deer liked to be around them. I think the ones want them gone are just hateful.
@@iclite3656 Ft McDowell Indians have horses west of highway 87 on the Verde River. Have been there decades. But on the Salt? No they are new there and where do you think they came from? DNA says Indian ponies. At any rate Wild horses do not exist in Arizona. All were brought here by man. That makes them an Invasive species.
@@trustmemysonisadoctor8479 Excuse ME, if it were not for horses....George Washington would have never won the revolution. All the race horses he had stolen from Thoroughbred breeding farms in Kentucky, Delaware, Maryland, Connecticut......enabled him to win that war and steal this country from the natives. And, what do the horses get for their hard work....NOTHING! They don't even put a horse or mule on currency...some over grown chicken gets put on currency. What did that overgrown chicken do to help George Washington....NOTHING! It goes to show that the more you do for government....the more they give you the middle finger. The less you do for government...you get rewarded for. LEAVE those horses alone.
@@trustmemysonisadoctor8479 Horses and their relatives originally evolved in North America, before travelling across the Bering Strait into Asia and further west.
@@scottleggejrNo, sadly it's quite true. The government leases land to cattle ranchers, who will often break the rules of the contract and damage the land by grazing too many cattle for too long. The wild horses are competition for the forage, so the beef industry out west has been trying to get rid of the mustangs for decades. Google it, it's all easily found info.
Environmentalists go to the Allen Savory Institute in Boulder and spend your time and money on learning how to regreen these lands while the folks caring for the horses continue reducing their numbers by limiting breeding and pasture management.
Some people are poorly educated and don't know that don't know that horses are not native animals to North America, they are a domesticated invasive species introduced from Europe in 1519.
@@trustmemysonisadoctor8479 Speaking of "poorly educated" here's some facts for you.....Horses and their relatives originally evolved in North America, before travelling across the Bering Strait into Asia and further west. Now go do some research.
@@TreeLBollingTreeMan Who cares? They were not along the Salt river east of the Beeline Highway until very recently. These horses are escapees from the Fort McDowell Indian Rez. They are not native to this area and they are wrecking havoc with the native deer, javelina and big horn sheep. The horses hooves loosen the top soil and it washes away in the next monsoon. There is literally nothing good about man introducing this invasive species here.
@@TreeLBollingTreeMan HAHAHAHA.......... I needed a good laugh, thanks. I find it HILARIOUS that you think I am "poorly educated" and that I need "to go do some research".....you have never met me yet here you are making judgements about me. The horses that evolved in North America went extinct over 10,000 years ago during the Pleistocene era, they were not domesticated. The horses that currently roam North America are an invasive species from Europe that were introduced in 1519. Just because European horses evolved from the same species that went extinct in North America does not mean modern European horses belong in North America. Modern day Horses went extinct in North America for a reason, they don't belong in the wild.
The reason they want to take those horses is because that will make them at the least meat price 150,000 for the amount of horses they want to kill. It is about slaughter and an idea that they don't have a right to life. It is about making money from them. The laws in America protect those animals from slaughter yet, the system keeps slaughtering them because it is an easy way to make money and they don't have to share the water with them.
@@Dog.soldier1950no there isn't which is why they are shipped to Mexico and Canada for slaughter. At least 250k American horses are shipped to slaughter every year. Large amounts are mustangs and failed race horses. Look it up.
These horses wull end up in the slaughter pipeline if forced to remove any of them. The inhumane cruelty of this industry relies on range land wild horses. Stop the slaughter pipeline and say yes to wild horses.
No species damages, destroys, disrupts nature more than humans. Always going after something, wolves, bear, list goes on and on. Yet, it’s okay to tear up natural habitat for the almighty greedy dollar. Leave the horses the hell alone!!!!
The Center for Biodiversity just can't let go of their obsession with these beloved wild horses, who have been here for hundreds of years. These iconic symbols of the West are being humanely managed with dozens of volunteers assisting. If we're going to discuss which species damages the river, go down there on the weekends and witness the hordes of people and the mountains of trash they leave behind. It's disgusting. If not for the equally disgusted volunteers who pick up after them, the river would be nothing short of one large garbage dump at this point. These horses fertilize the shores with their manure, reduce the wildfire risk by eating the dead grasses, and are declared "wildlife" by the State of Arizona. Thanks to the relentless CBD, the horses in Alpine, AZ are, at this moment, being brutally rounded up, family units split apart, and being auctioned off for slaughter. On this weekend's auction are 10 nursing mares and their foals. If they aren't saved by rescue, they are destined to become dogfood. Is this how America should treat the beautiful wild horse herds throughout the West? The majority of Americans say no. What this lawsuit would result in for our Salt River Wild Horses is a journey of cruelty, fear, separation from family and death. Those bringing the lawsuit are not the "good guys" in this story. They know what the results would be and they simply do not give a damn.
@650gringo Wild horses have been documented around the Salt River since the 1700s. They are protected by Arizona state law and cared for with the cooperation of the Salt River Wild Horse Management Group and the BLM.
@@karenwhite4461 Talk is cheap, "Karen" Show me the pictures. I've been swimming floating, fishing and camping at that river since 1960 and there were zero horses back then. Do a DNA check, those horses came from Ft McDowell. And they are Feral. Not native.
There's a problem with people who think feral animals should just be left to thier own divices. Feral dogs cats and horses deserve food water and veterinarian care. These horses are eating what the native animals would be eating. In the case of cats they eat the native wildlife. These horses are drinking that gross salt river water they tell you not to get in when the human waste gets too high in it ... thats cool for horses too
Feral cats have decimated the wild songbird population. There are literally species of wild songbirds that are now extinct because of feral cats. Feral horses along the Salt will have consequences as well.
The horses in this clip aren't the ones by the salt lol. All of those horses are sick and lame, half have bloat, clouded eyes, split hooves. Those horses are a mess.
If it's bad for Livestock to be raised in the Southwest, based on Environmental Science Concerns.....then Logically.....a reduction in Horse Population would also be necessary.
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Those complaining are not from here😑🤔
This is being done by California liberal transplants. Now their here in Arizona filing lawsuits for every little thing.
It always starts with stuff like this.
Leave the horses alone, Robin Silver needs to leave Arizona. He's taking up to much resources!!!
Are the visitors from 'here' or are you happy they leave their money there with you?
@@Don.Challenger No. You leave too. Snowbirds too.
A lot of bored people trying to get attention and feel important 👿
I'm upset about they tell me to pay attention to as well 🤣
They sure look healthy and well feed to this rancher.
That guy believes the government has our best interests in mind. That is just foolishness. The government will make it worse, always does.
All about money and greed
Humans can't leave anything alone
Patience is needed by the environmentalist who want to quickly dispatch hundreds of horses.. It sounds like the population control methods are working, it just takes time.
These horses have been there for a very long time, and other animals have adapted to the environment with horses in it..
research helps pleb
Proof positive that some people have too damn much time on their hands & just want to virtue signal to get attention. Someone slap some sense into them please!
Leave the horses alone leave our state an STAY OUT
Leave the horses alone and concentrate your efforts on reforestation of the desert.
It's difficult to revegetate with these big grazers around
Horses are not native animals to North America, they are an invasive species introduced from Europe in1519.
How do you "reforest" something that never had a forest to begin with?
@@TreeLBollingTreeManGreat question.
@@TreeLBollingTreeManCalifornia transplants are looney. 😂
Wild horses are supposed to be protected 😢
Horses are like any other animal. They eat. And there's only so much forage available. Landscape might be green but that doesn't mean the horses will eat it. Horses compete with other herbivores too. Like deer. And don't forget about the parasites in the poop that gets into the salt river.
Horses eating vegetation reduced wild fire risk.
I saw wild horses near rhe Tonto river being taken care of by a crazy Karen. These animals belong to Apache tribes.
Exactly
Horses are not native animals to North America,they are an invasive species introduced fro Europe in 1519.
The horses are aggressive and a menace. If you go where they are, go prepared.
@@scottleggejr horses are flight animals. not aggressive by nature.
@@blaiseaimee7098 go tell one to their face. They'll bits and rear up on you. They're aggressive and territorial. I've met them in person and it chased me down.
Leave the horses alone !!
Well exactly what's their plan? Dog food?
The horses were there a long time ago and are a state treasure. Plus they are on federal and state desert. They are lieing through their teeth! They are not starving at all! I see them grazing and there is plenty for them to forage on Plus they have a couple of rivers that they drink and eat from. Whoever is behind this is just trying to make trouble! LEAVE OUR HORSES ALONE! Go do something constructive with your lives!
All the horses shown are a healthy weight too
If there are too many, they damage habitat. I don’t know why you can’t understand that.
These horses are NOT natural to the area, they come from the local reservation, and are the most destructive animals on land. They must be removed!
there were no horses 50 years ago, I was there, never once saw a feral horse at the river. LOL.. Ur wrong Doe.....
I see no problem with a birth control method of herd size management, nor do I see a problem with people/groups providing additional nutrition if they choose to do so, but I do have a problem with outside interest groups wanting to remove the Arizona mustangs. Makes me skeptical about who this idea really benefits?
What a bunch of liars ,leave those innocent horses alone.
These people just cruel to force the horses out.
Leave them alone
300 horses is a huge number for that area.
The only thing thats being forced is cattle. And those thousands of cattle are the problem not a couple hundred horses. Public land. We pay taxes to cover the BLM. Its to take care of these animals not eradicate them. People. These horses belong to the public.
These horses have family groups, stallions have "their" mares and as the foals grow they are a part of that family structure for quite a while. Horses remember who their family is, even after long separation. I think it is heartbreaking that many people don't understand it. Taking some of them, as when they are randomly rounded up by helicopter, breaks family members apart, usually forever. The world is on course to learn much about love and caring. ❤
I’ve lived in AZ my whole life and it hasn’t been until recently that there were any horses even there. They are feral and impact the environment unfavorably.
But dum dum like pretty horse. No take pwetty horse from dum dum!
Those horses have some real quality to them, they have good conformation.
Too many in a certain location can devastate vegetation, BUT it looks like the management group has a solution. And as the woman said, it's going to take time. That is a very true statement, since horses in the wild, without an accident, can live between 15 and 30 years, seeing a population reduction will take a while.
Horses do not poop or pee in the river....cows will! The horses are a positive.
Exactly! It's a huge advantage that horses don't poop and pee.
@@Yanoathese are the people we are up against. More California people who have never seen these animals in person advocate for something they don't know anything about. 🙄
@@Yanoalol!
God bless our family farmers ranchers and mustangs 😢❤
Environmentalists 😒 pfft
There couldn't be too many horses because we drove around the Salt River for an entire afternoon with another couple looking for them and never saw one horse. We were very disappointed ! The horses stay at the Salt River !!! Hopefully next time we go we will see a horse.
They have moved further up toward Bush Highway.
Taking away the water and water government also takes away farms and ranches
the horses are ok all the trouble is others just hate them. so they make up stuff. In my domestic horses we noted the deer liked to be around them. I think the ones want them gone are just hateful.
Horses are not native to North America, they are an invasive domesticated species introduced from Europe in 1519.........this is fact not hate.
Wild horses annoying people 🙄🤬🛑
Stop, its outta control
People should move and leave the horses alone!!!!!!
If they were wild yes, but they are not a wild animal. These are feral horses from the Indian Reservation. They do not belong here at all.
They annoy white people.
@@650gringosays who? Is dat you GOD🤔... didn't think so...🙄
@@iclite3656 Ft McDowell Indians have horses west of highway 87 on the Verde River. Have been there decades. But on the Salt? No they are new there and where do you think they came from? DNA says Indian ponies. At any rate Wild horses do not exist in Arizona. All were brought here by man. That makes them an Invasive species.
So, let’s get this straight….wild horses are being ATTACKED by nature loving environmentalists…how typical.
Horses are not native animals in North America, they are an invasive species introduced from Europe in 1519.
@@trustmemysonisadoctor8479 Excuse ME, if it were not for horses....George Washington would have never won the revolution. All the race horses he had stolen from Thoroughbred breeding farms in Kentucky, Delaware, Maryland, Connecticut......enabled him to win that war and steal this country from the natives. And, what do the horses get for their hard work....NOTHING! They don't even put a horse or mule on currency...some over grown chicken gets put on currency. What did that overgrown chicken do to help George Washington....NOTHING! It goes to show that the more you do for government....the more they give you the middle finger. The less you do for government...you get rewarded for. LEAVE those horses alone.
@@trustmemysonisadoctor8479just like white people
@@trustmemysonisadoctor8479 Horses and their relatives originally evolved in North America, before travelling across the Bering Strait into Asia and further west.
Wild horses in America have been wild for over 300 years and meet the requirements to be considered part of the ecosystem and re-wilded.
Leave those horses alone less nature take its course let them live off the land
They belong and let nature handle it.
You know, people wouldn't let the animals starve
Those horses were introduced by man.
Horses are not native animals to North America, they are an invasive species introduced from Europe in 1519.
These are feral introduced animals, not native.
Ridiculous to force these horses out.
Not true. They were here b4 people.
Lol they were out there before Arizona was a state by Spaniards in the 1600s
Leave those darn horses alone , people think they know what’s best for all , they don’t know crap, they just like control
You've never been around them. Stop forcing your policies on places you never visit against the will of people who go where the stupid things are.
@@scottleggejr they where there way before you fella
@@DawnRyan-k8o they're an invasive non-native species.
@@DawnRyan-k8o non-native. Planted in the 1600s.
Also leave those gods creatures alone...investigate that silver he might make money.🤔
Humans ranchers &cattle cause the harm!!!
You made that up, or spread conspiracy theories? What farms? Name them. What ranchers? What's their business named?
@@scottleggejrNo, sadly it's quite true. The government leases land to cattle ranchers, who will often break the rules of the contract and damage the land by grazing too many cattle for too long. The wild horses are competition for the forage, so the beef industry out west has been trying to get rid of the mustangs for decades. Google it, it's all easily found info.
Weren't horses introduced back in 1600's? I'm betting the people complaing actually haven't done any kind of research.
They went between countries and at one point the land bridge disappeared then spain brought horses back
I love nature and animals but the environmental religion makes me sick.
Let nature take its course
Environmentalists go to the Allen Savory Institute in Boulder and spend your time and money on learning how to regreen these lands while the folks caring for the horses continue reducing their numbers by limiting breeding and pasture management.
Some people just can’t stand to see creatures living free!!!
Some people are poorly educated and don't know that don't know that horses are not native animals to North America, they are a domesticated invasive species introduced from Europe in 1519.
@@trustmemysonisadoctor8479 Speaking of "poorly educated" here's some facts for you.....Horses and their relatives originally evolved in North America, before travelling across the Bering Strait into Asia and further west.
Now go do some research.
@@TreeLBollingTreeMan Who cares? They were not along the Salt river east of the Beeline Highway until very recently. These horses are escapees from the Fort McDowell Indian Rez. They are not native to this area and they are wrecking havoc with the native deer, javelina and big horn sheep. The horses hooves loosen the top soil and it washes away in the next monsoon. There is literally nothing good about man introducing this invasive species here.
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@@TreeLBollingTreeMan HAHAHAHA.......... I needed a good laugh, thanks. I find it HILARIOUS that you think I am "poorly educated" and that I need "to go do some research".....you have never met me yet here you are making judgements about me. The horses that evolved in North America went extinct over 10,000 years ago during the Pleistocene era, they were not domesticated. The horses that currently roam North America are an invasive species from Europe that were introduced in 1519. Just because European horses evolved from the same species that went extinct in North America does not mean modern European horses belong in North America. Modern day Horses went extinct in North America for a reason, they don't belong in the wild.
No those environment people are wrong
I guess they feel the horses are farming too much climate change bs
Leave the horses alone
The reason they want to take those horses is because that will make them at the least meat price 150,000 for the amount of horses they want to kill. It is about slaughter and an idea that they don't have a right to life. It is about making money from them. The laws in America protect those animals from slaughter yet, the system keeps slaughtering them because it is an easy way to make money and they don't have to share the water with them.
I don't want wild horses killed they are Free leave them alone
Not a single horse slaughter house in the USA
@@Dog.soldier1950no there isn't which is why they are shipped to Mexico and Canada for slaughter. At least 250k American horses are shipped to slaughter every year. Large amounts are mustangs and failed race horses. Look it up.
@@TRIPL3M00Nif I search for that, I'm going to get ads I don't want 😂 the AI will think more people want to eat it and it will be a fake industry. 🤣
@@TRIPL3M00N your correct, 250k is high but folks fail to understand that the options for unwanted or economical unviable are few
When you don’t have nothing to do remember this guy smh
The horses probably like to be with each other too. Sell some for resources to feed the others.
Sell the horses for horse meat is what you are saying? If so you are a disgusting person.
I want to see something wild out there, like horses. Those cows are someone's property not anything amazing about that.
Silver?? Just another example of Tikkun Olam arrogance.
I agree 💯 percent, leave the horses alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Trump for President in 24!!!!
Terrible God bless our horses ❤
Baldy is full of crap.
The horses are a treasure.❤
Suit brought by hunting groups
The horses are wild correct??
The horses were there before the people
Decendents from Coronado's expedition in the 1500's. They were not here prior to that.@@YonUndone3064
The horses were brought by people
@@andyroubik5760 Coronado expedition
@@williamevans6522 and other subsequent releases
These horses wull end up in the slaughter pipeline if forced to remove any of them. The inhumane cruelty of this industry relies on range land wild horses. Stop the slaughter pipeline and say yes to wild horses.
Wow.
Many are being taken to Germany
Umm. Coyotes are worse. The wild pigs are worse. Nothing being done about them.
Incorrect
I think that people are crazy 🤪.
Make a spot on bml land that can hold the horses and people can appreciate the old mode of transportation.
They breed uncontrollably on the rez and when they eat up all the plants on the rez leave and stand on the roads to get hit by cars.
Selling off water and land has caused this not the horses
I’m Sick! 🤢
Birth control hurts mom and babies ive been in healthcare all my life
Wild Horses are treasures.and foals being born down to 2(?) that is awful..shouldn't more humans than also be on birth control?
😂.
That woman is not telling the truth 😮 she is one of them 😢
How do you know?
Get rid of cows on these lands. Horses should stay.
It's funny that couple of invasive humans are having issues with wild horses.
Everything you mentioned in that conflict is only by non-natives.
There use to be a million wild horses
No species damages, destroys, disrupts nature more than humans. Always going after something, wolves, bear, list goes on and on. Yet, it’s okay to tear up natural habitat for the almighty greedy dollar. Leave the horses the hell alone!!!!
Amen. They can't even go camping or climb Mt Everest etc without throwing their trash all over the place.
@@iclite3656 I'm in the backwoods more than most and the number of mylar balloons you find hundreds of miles from anything is stunning 🤣
The Center for Biodiversity just can't let go of their obsession with these beloved wild horses, who have been here for hundreds of years. These iconic symbols of the West are being humanely managed with dozens of volunteers assisting. If we're going to discuss which species damages the river, go down there on the weekends and witness the hordes of people and the mountains of trash they leave behind. It's disgusting. If not for the equally disgusted volunteers who pick up after them, the river would be nothing short of one large garbage dump at this point. These horses fertilize the shores with their manure, reduce the wildfire risk by eating the dead grasses, and are declared "wildlife" by the State of Arizona. Thanks to the relentless CBD, the horses in Alpine, AZ are, at this moment, being brutally rounded up, family units split apart, and being auctioned off for slaughter. On this weekend's auction are 10 nursing mares and their foals. If they aren't saved by rescue, they are destined to become dogfood. Is this how America should treat the beautiful wild horse herds throughout the West? The majority of Americans say no. What this lawsuit would result in for our Salt River Wild Horses is a journey of cruelty, fear, separation from family and death. Those bringing the lawsuit are not the "good guys" in this story. They know what the results would be and they simply do not give a damn.
Anyone that thinks these horses are wild along the Salt? Show me pictures of them, at the Salt, in the 1960's, 70's and 80's.
@650gringo Wild horses have been documented around the Salt River since the 1700s. They are protected by Arizona state law and cared for with the cooperation of the Salt River Wild Horse Management Group and the BLM.
@@karenwhite4461 Talk is cheap, "Karen" Show me the pictures. I've been swimming floating, fishing and camping at that river since 1960 and there were zero horses back then. Do a DNA check, those horses came from Ft McDowell. And they are Feral. Not native.
There are an overabundance of old balding men Mr. Silver. I suggest the same be done with your herd.
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I can’t stop laughing at this assessment. Truth is usually simple ❤️
Read the story of Noah
Save the animals not the humans
"A science based solution" would be to leave nature alone
Feeding wild horses with imported hay makes more wild horses. Duh. Just like the human homeless situation. 😢😢😢
There's a problem with people who think feral animals should just be left to thier own divices. Feral dogs cats and horses deserve food water and veterinarian care. These horses are eating what the native animals would be eating. In the case of cats they eat the native wildlife. These horses are drinking that gross salt river water they tell you not to get in when the human waste gets too high in it ... thats cool for horses too
Feral cats have decimated the wild songbird population. There are literally species of wild songbirds that are now extinct because of feral cats. Feral horses along the Salt will have consequences as well.
The horses in this clip aren't the ones by the salt lol. All of those horses are sick and lame, half have bloat, clouded eyes, split hooves. Those horses are a mess.
"beloved" horses are the first words on a biased news report. 🙄
They are not wild, these are abandoned domestic or feral animals.
horses don't belong there. I find it odd that we're actually fighting about it , just leave a few wild donkeys your fine
Why don’t they belong there?
There’s way too many horses!!!
If it's bad for Livestock to be raised in the Southwest, based on Environmental Science Concerns.....then Logically.....a reduction in Horse Population would also be necessary.
Sounds like a Jewish lawsuit to me. 🤣🤣🤣
Leave them alone