EXACTLY. The enumerated powers clause never mentions regulating any sort of product or tool. Not to mention the 2nd amendment precludes them from regulating guns.
Cowards only get the tyranny that cowards deserve, because cowards only get the tyranny that cowards allow (and therefore create for themselves). To obey an unjust "law" is to enforce an unjust "law" is to Create an unjust "law" is to deserve an unjust "law". If we want to stop receiving tyranny, all we have to do is stop deserving it. It is not just our Right to disobey unjust "laws", but it is our Duty to do so.
Non lethal ammunition is a softer target for the ATF since most people don't use it. Espionage tacticians seek laws most people don't care about, so later they can incrementally create laws that destroy a culture or rights.
I'm more inclined to agree with the government looking at us as like the enemy crowd. The government has a good track record of disbanding private militias. They shure as f don't want any sort of well trained group that they don't controll. Has something to do with defense against tyrannical a holes
I wish ALL gun owners in the US trained with their guns. Would save a lot of lives because too many don't know about gun safety because they never learned. In 2021 the number of people that died thanks to a negligent discharge was 549. And I bet if every gun owner trains a few times a year that number will go down a lot.
This move really has no bearing on the basic safety and competency training that most gun owners sorely lack. The sim ammo is for more advanced tactical shooting for trainees who (one hopes) are well past the danger of shooting themselves or the range instructor.
As a civilian, I found it nearly impossible to order rounds or parts from UTM at all. And that's long before the ATF ever did this. I think UTM has always been firmly in the pockets of Big Gov/Big Military. Pretty much the only way to access sims as a civilian was to take a course from someone offering 2 way range training.
The reality is that most companies couldn't possibly afford to do such a thing. The U.S. govt is likely their single largest customer, and they already are in compliance with stricter laws of course countries whom are their customers. The simple fact is that we can't expect a private market company who's primary driving goal is profit to be willing to take a step that could utterly destroy the company.
So if they arent lethal why would they not allow civilians to train with them????? Because they want you untrained and vulnerable to what they have planned. The company should tell the government to kiss their asses!!!!!😂😂😂
You are both. A citizen is someone with citizenship in the country. A civilian is someone who is not a member of the military. Therefore, you are both.
It severely annoys me when LEOs refer to all other citizens as "civilians". In my opinion, that sort of phrasing implies that they see themselves as being similar to an occupying military and separate/above all other traditional citizens.
@@baddriversofthenorcalarea500 Looks like the bot did not like my reply. Look up State Citizen vs US citizen. Constitutional Commando has a good writeup on it. Then look up HISAdvocates.
@@FXIIBeaver No but seriously, what ballot are you on? Be the change you wanna see, and trust that a lot of us wanna see it too. You want a job done right, do it yourself, isn't that the saying?
As someone who doesn't watch or read the news, thank you for keeping me in the loop. I always come to gun-tube for yalls views and strict reporting of 2a news
I actually think this is a good thing. The ATF doesn't want us to use non-lethal or simulation ammo? Fine, lethal only and the ATF can be our practice dummies.
What are they gonna ban next rubber knives? Seat belts? Safety glasses? Motorcycle helmets? Airbags for cars? Baby car seats? This proves yet again that gun control is not about saving lives.
As you said, while it seems confusing, I would say it's alot easier than that: It's a toe-hold. Look at prices once they got the lead ammunition banned. I see this as a means to maneuver themselves into regulating as much ammunition as possible. Starts with the less than lethal. Then the specialty rounds like dragons breath. then the steel cores. and so on.
Guess paintball guns and paintballs will be next. Company I worked for we trained with simunition doing force on force training in New Mexico. The Mp5 fullauto that shot simunition was cool!
If any of the 2a supply chain cared they would form a pact and walk out on the government. Imagine if the government couldn't buy guns and ammo until the brace rule was overturned. Shit would happen over night.
"The CONSTITUTION of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their RIGHT and DUTY to be at All Times Armed. " ~Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Catwright June 5th 1824
Clearly the atf is confused. Eventually they’ll get dissolved but till then they’ll just keep doing all they can to make our law abiding asses as annoyed as possible. Effing waste of money if ever I saw one.
Oh you think so? You think they will get disolved? How about you name a single US Federal Agency that has ever been disolved? It dont happen. When the Federal Prohibition agents were no longer needed after Prohobition was repealed did that agency go away? No not really it was simply re-purposed and became ATF so yeh good luck with that wishful thinking.
Someone needs to start an American sim round company so civilian trainers can keep getting them for classes. Force on force is crucial for being full prepared for any type of combat/self defense situation. The ATF going after these is 100% malicious, so the government can have overmatch against civilians in terms of skill, not just weaponry.
@@kenofken9458 well, at the same time things like home 3d printers and benchtop CNC machines have made things like homemade firearms and homemade ammunition more plausible than any other point in human history.
Isnt it ironic that the most infringed on inalienable right we have, flat out says in the writing "Shall not be infringed". The government is flat out mocking you.
"The CONSTITUTION shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own ARMS. " ~ Samuel Adams Massachusetts Ratifying Convention
"If circumstances should at any time obligate the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of ARMS who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist. " ~Alexander Hamilton Federalist No.28 January 10th 1788
Another reason I think they don't want us to have it is they don't want us to be able to train in that manner like you said it allows you to take your training more seriously and hone in your skills
I believe there is more to this than meets the eye. It's obvious that they don't want citizens training in some of the most realistic way possible. Wonder why they don't want people to be trained🤔
They just want everybody as ineffective as possible. When the hell does it stop? Every freaking day, it's something new. Thanks for the heads up. Stay safe, and God Bless you and yours.
i feel like if you have the right to bear arms, you also have the right to bear training arms , sort of like if you have the right to ride a bike you have the right to ride a training bike , its sort of implied
I've always said that too, people laugh at me but if you get a good airsoft gun that's gas blow back or CO2 powered and only use low cap mags that are the same capacity as the real deal then they're pretty damn realistic from a training perspective, especially since you can actually shoot them at each other safely. As long as its an actual airsoft gun and not a BB or pellet gun of course, i remember my dad and uncles saying they used to only pump up their BB guns once or twice (instead of like 6 or 8 for full power) and shoot at each other with them, they said if you weren't wearing a thick jacket or something and it hit bare skin they would sometimes break the skin a little bit and hurt like hell. 😂
We use gas Airsofts for active shooter training. And I tell people to try getting shot by them, it's not fun if you don't have a lot of heavy clothing or padding.
@@YourLocalLeadFarmer it's been a while since I've played any Airsoft, I use to play it a lot in middle and high school with my buddies on my and another buddies farms, and yeah, if you have a good quality gun that has a decently high FPS (300-350 FPS or higher, but not so high its dangerous of course) and you aren't wearing a Carhart or similar style jacket & pants it hurts like hell at close range and definitely still stings a little at a bit of range. 😂 Edit: But yeah, they're definitely good tools (especially Green Gas and Co2 blowback ones) for training in a way that you can safely shoot at one another if you take the proper precautions like a face shield or at least a pair of goggles (i always thought just glasses was still rather dangerous IMO at least, since they have open spots in certain spots depending on the specific glasses).
My ATF Complaint: Recreational marijuana was legalized in Minnesota. Immediately after legalization, the local ATF issued a statements saying that anyone who uses marijuana can't buy or possess a gun or ammunition. They are stuck in the 1930s Reefer Madness Era. But if you are a chronic alcoholic or binge drinker, you can buy/possess as many guns as you want.
That's another thing in the 1968 law that is very explicit. The feds don't really have any wiggle room on that until weed is legalized federally or the GCA is amended or that portion struck down (as it has been in one circuit I believe).
They don't want you training with this type of ammo, because its the most effective way to learn how to fight. You learn a lot really quickly when the hits are real!
Love how I have be subscribed for many years, then all of the sudden I no longer was. I was wondering why I was no longer seeing content from your channel. Had to look y'all back up and resub.
Thats fine, I planned on using 174g .311, steel penetrator fmj, on them anyways, when they roll up to my house. PKM will make them regret not bringing a mbt.
To be honest Eric when I see ATF in a video title I almost keep scrolling. They have cried wolf so much it's just repetitive BS from them. They are just another waist of tax payers money at this point. The Higher courts have told them to stay in there lane time after time. Be Safe and continue to provide We The People with the latest updates.
The ATF needs to be abolished, they’ve forgotten that they’re supposed to be law enforcement not congress. When are Americans going to stop cowering and stand up to them?
How is that even possible oh wait cause noone ever hold them accountable for there overreach the supreme court needs to step on there neck and tell them to calm the hell down or the pressure is gunna get tighter
Seeing as how we’re supposed to be a well regulated militia, how are we to do that without training.? They know what they’re doing and this is just crazy.
They know the value of training. Stress training and realistic scenario training is paramount to civilians. The fact of the matter is, that the govt is trying to limit our ability to be as prepared as they aim to be, specifically in stress management during defensive action. Its like us training for a bixing match against them, and them making it illegal for us to use a boxing gym, of buy a punching bag. Never, Ever, ever, should the govt be allowed to one-up We the People when it comes to violence. The 2A was designed to have the US govt either at equal capability or lesser. They shouldnt be able to have the advantage against us. It's not how the Constitution works.
Also yes, we do make lots of non lethal ammo here in the UK, I use it a fair amount to train with before using actual ammo for sport and competition shooting, so you'll also be hurting the UK financially so thanks ATF lol 😊
ATF's responsibilities include the investigation and prevention of federal offenses involving the unlawful use, manufacture, and possession of firearms and explosives; acts of arson and bombings; and illegal trafficking of alcohol and tobacco products. So where does it say that the ATF can make and pass laws? Even IF Non-lethal ammo for civilians is illegal then why do they go after it while that ammo has been on the market for many years.
DON'T GIVE THEM ANY IDEAS!!!!!! Cali already tried this crap with Airsoft and paintball markers.... tyring to make a requirement for them to be a clear, or bright orange, and non metal (plastic). I dont know about you, but I would not trust a plastic regulator with 300 PSI of compressed air, or 800PSI CO2.
@@ZBM2Ory Depends on the plastic. Thin-walled ABS, absolutely not. But a nice thick piece of glass fiber reinforced nylon polymer? That stuff is as strong as some grades of aluminum, weight for weight.
I think we should ban dumbasses from silly shit, but that would never work because you would then get involved and be one of them... Is it color? Gender or insanity? Shooting watermelons only creates more sliced up food. killing people (or anything else for the most part) only gets you more pain and more reasons to be hewn down and cast into the fire... That's GOD, not you or me... I wonder where they missed it. 😞
All gun control is unconstitutional, it’s an industry debating these laws and rules piecemeal in court. An honest challenge to the NFA and GCA, that would end the issue won’t happen because they don’t want to end the gravy train.
Keep all your Magazines loaded, Empty mags are like dead power tool batteries, Unless when you need them. One gun with plenty of ammunition, Is worth more than plenty of guns, without plenty of ammunition. Semper Fidelis
First of all, they have ZERO ability to do so. Second of all, then next step for them would be to go after EVERY other type of ammunition, starting with green tips, then JHP, then ball. ATF can eat a fat sausage.
They are doing this because of Bruin. A lot of CCW training operations have popped up and they are training ammo, you don’t need a full gun range to complete the training requirement if training ammo is used.
Back before I retired from Law Enforcement we had a training day using simunitions when I was dealing with a hand injury. While I couldn't fire my hand gun I was used as a hostage and I remember being peppered by some of my overzealous comrades; and yes they do sting a bit 😊. What is missing from every write up on simunitions is the rational for the ban, which is necessary if you want to understand what the ATF is doing. While the reasoning is simply overreach, simunitions is a form of ammunition manufactured outside the US, which the ATF has decided needs to be curtailed. As the Oliver Anthony songs says, "These rich men north of Richmond, Lord knows they all just wanna have total control all want total control".
I have wanted to get some UTM rounds and a couple conversion kits so I could make a drill course for myself. They would not just ship me the parts and rounds without class licenses and such. I saw them as a safer option than just using a 22lr conversion to drill plinking and figured I could use the marker versions for indoor situations on hard targets.
The ATF does NOT have authority to ban ammo or less lethal ammo. Keep selling the ammo and take the ATF to court.
More like take them to the firing squad.
Courts have been compromised by enemy agents.
Because that's worked so well
They lost about 6 court cases this year alone. So, I'd say yes it has worked well.
it takes time but its been working the higher courts have been up the ATF ass, why the been doubling down blows my mind @@jacobstewart3428
The ATF has no Constitutional authority to *exist.*
EXACTLY.
The enumerated powers clause never mentions regulating any sort of product or tool.
Not to mention the 2nd amendment precludes them from regulating guns.
Commerce clause, isn't it? They used to be part of the Dept. of the Treasury.
@@theKashConnoisseur May as well be santa clause, because they have no real power.
Cowards only get the tyranny that cowards deserve, because cowards only get the tyranny that cowards allow (and therefore create for themselves). To obey an unjust "law" is to enforce an unjust "law" is to Create an unjust "law" is to deserve an unjust "law". If we want to stop receiving tyranny, all we have to do is stop deserving it. It is not just our Right to disobey unjust "laws", but it is our Duty to do so.
We don't have rights anymore. The constitution barely stands for anything anymore. Everything's too far gone by now.
Non lethal ammunition is a softer target for the ATF since most people don't use it. Espionage tacticians seek laws most people don't care about, so later they can incrementally create laws that destroy a culture or rights.
Baby steps
Stuffs expensive too.
Boiling that frog slowly.
I'm more inclined to agree with the government looking at us as like the enemy crowd. The government has a good track record of disbanding private militias. They shure as f don't want any sort of well trained group that they don't controll. Has something to do with defense against tyrannical a holes
US citizens had a right to train for whatever we want.
That's the Best summary I've ever heard.
I wish ALL gun owners in the US trained with their guns.
Would save a lot of lives because too many don't know about gun safety because they never learned.
In 2021 the number of people that died thanks to a negligent discharge was 549.
And I bet if every gun owner trains a few times a year that number will go down a lot.
Fr Safety and training is huge, as if the atf actually cares about that as they claim😂
Rights are nothing more than words on a paper without the people standing behind it with deadly force against those who would step on them
This move really has no bearing on the basic safety and competency training that most gun owners sorely lack. The sim ammo is for more advanced tactical shooting for trainees who (one hopes) are well past the danger of shooting themselves or the range instructor.
UTM should stop all sales to law enforcement and military immediately until this policy is reversed.
As a civilian, I found it nearly impossible to order rounds or parts from UTM at all. And that's long before the ATF ever did this. I think UTM has always been firmly in the pockets of Big Gov/Big Military. Pretty much the only way to access sims as a civilian was to take a course from someone offering 2 way range training.
The reality is that most companies couldn't possibly afford to do such a thing. The U.S. govt is likely their single largest customer, and they already are in compliance with stricter laws of course countries whom are their customers. The simple fact is that we can't expect a private market company who's primary driving goal is profit to be willing to take a step that could utterly destroy the company.
@KeterMalkuth Ronnie Barrett did it with the state of California, refusing all sales to the state because his guns are illegal to civilians there.
UTM doesn't care. They don't give a s*** about the 2A. They make their money on gov't contracts.
yep but they got to make money so they will sale it to them
So if they arent lethal why would they not allow civilians to train with them????? Because they want you untrained and vulnerable to what they have planned. The company should tell the government to kiss their asses!!!!!😂😂😂
Same goes for body armor mark my words that’s going next for the masses. Wild times
They should be giving us utm to train with. FTATF
Because they don't want us trained at all just want us Compliant
Death from 1000 cuts, that's why.
@@starxlord9856 Some states have already done that.
Every company that supports the ATF needs to pull their contracts
I am a Citizen NOT a civilian. There is a huge difference between the two. A Citizen has rights whereas a civilian has privileges.
You are both. A citizen is someone with citizenship in the country. A civilian is someone who is not a member of the military. Therefore, you are both.
It severely annoys me when LEOs refer to all other citizens as "civilians". In my opinion, that sort of phrasing implies that they see themselves as being similar to an occupying military and separate/above all other traditional citizens.
@@baddriversofthenorcalarea500 Looks like the bot did not like my reply. Look up State Citizen vs US citizen. Constitutional Commando has a good writeup on it. Then look up HISAdvocates.
Try: citizen not subject
@@baddriversofthenorcalarea500every citizen is a solider so there’s that lll%
And so they begin making their moves.
You beat me to the punch. But a few people saying this and maybe others will begin to take a serious look at what is being said and act by voting.
@@Patriot-rising wrong. You need to run for their seats. Be the change you want.
@@FXIIBeaverlol what ballot are you on? 🧠
@@robdubent wow you are so clever. It must be nice being that smart.
@@FXIIBeaver No but seriously, what ballot are you on? Be the change you wanna see, and trust that a lot of us wanna see it too. You want a job done right, do it yourself, isn't that the saying?
I’m an FFL holder in California. Twenty years ago the ATF just seemed like Feds who really didn’t want to do their jobs. Things change.
Every time there's a Democrat in the White House...
It was meant to get here the whole time.
Twenty years ago was 10 years after Waco...
Hell of a job they did there...
@chrisgriffith9252 give him a break. He lives in commiefornia and he thinks he can make a living legally selling guns.
As someone who doesn't watch or read the news, thank you for keeping me in the loop. I always come to gun-tube for yalls views and strict reporting of 2a news
It's good to come here to hear this stuff, because is not in the news anywhere.
@@M1A2-TankerLets just make sure it's truh and real.
When has it ever been about safety ?
It’s about control and tyranny..
And thus begins civil disobedience. Just like the pistol brace ruling. It's best to die with your principles rather then die a obedient coward.
Moves like this are what's known as a tell, like a gesture or move that gives away your real motive and agenda.
I actually think this is a good thing. The ATF doesn't want us to use non-lethal or simulation ammo? Fine, lethal only and the ATF can be our practice dummies.
You give gun owners a bad name
@@levigivens nothing wrong with showing frustration towards ATF, how do you feel about the ban on training ammo for civilians?
@@levigivensYour attitude is what has brought us to this point.
@@XAMPOLmaybe he just believes we should ask nicely for them to stop violating our rights like our fore fathers did.... lol
Everyone wants to be a patriot till it’s time to do patriot shit…….
What are they gonna ban next rubber knives? Seat belts? Safety glasses? Motorcycle helmets? Airbags for cars? Baby car seats? This proves yet again that gun control is not about saving lives.
The ntsb vs batf on next week's government agency death match.
Look at the hoops required to sport a suppressor. They do ban safety equipment.
No admin organization within the Executive branch has a "right" to ban anything. who gave them the constitutional authority?
As you said, while it seems confusing, I would say it's alot easier than that: It's a toe-hold. Look at prices once they got the lead ammunition banned. I see this as a means to maneuver themselves into regulating as much ammunition as possible. Starts with the less than lethal. Then the specialty rounds like dragons breath. then the steel cores. and so on.
I'd rather starve to death than work for the ATF.
Nah dude, get a job there. Create some lawsuits.
Same. Hell, I'd probably write parking tickets before worked for them.
Or, work there for however long it takes to release a pack of skunks in the building!
Seriously. I don't know how they sleep.
i would rather eat sand and piss glass
Guess paintball guns and paintballs will be next. Company I worked for we trained with simunition doing force on force training in New Mexico. The Mp5 fullauto that shot simunition was cool!
Cali tried this shit and it failed... surprisingly. (the failing part, not that Cali tried to go after paintball and airsoft)
if UTM actually cared they would stop selling to LE and mil until this is overturned
If any of the 2a supply chain cared they would form a pact and walk out on the government. Imagine if the government couldn't buy guns and ammo until the brace rule was overturned. Shit would happen over night.
"The CONSTITUTION of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their RIGHT and DUTY to be at All Times Armed. "
~Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Catwright June 5th 1824
Clearly the atf is confused. Eventually they’ll get dissolved but till then they’ll just keep doing all they can to make our law abiding asses as annoyed as possible. Effing waste of money if ever I saw one.
The solution is simple: stop being law abiding.
Oh you think so? You think they will get disolved? How about you name a single US Federal Agency that has ever been disolved? It dont happen. When the Federal Prohibition agents were no longer needed after Prohobition was repealed did that agency go away? No not really it was simply re-purposed and became ATF so yeh good luck with that wishful thinking.
Someone needs to start an American sim round company so civilian trainers can keep getting them for classes. Force on force is crucial for being full prepared for any type of combat/self defense situation. The ATF going after these is 100% malicious, so the government can have overmatch against civilians in terms of skill, not just weaponry.
The ATF needs to be defunded.
Just a reminder, Ghandi brought the British Empire to it's knees in India by simply not complying.
its* knees.
Ghandi did stuff like march to the ocean and make salt in defiance of colonial law.
It's not as easy to turn up sim ammo by boiling ocean water.
@@kenofken9458 well, at the same time things like home 3d printers and benchtop CNC machines have made things like homemade firearms and homemade ammunition more plausible than any other point in human history.
Isnt it ironic that the most infringed on inalienable right we have, flat out says in the writing "Shall not be infringed". The government is flat out mocking you.
"Govts of the world fear the people they govern, especially when the people are armed to the teeth".
- Wayne Gretzky
- Michael Scott
Thanks!
"The CONSTITUTION shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own ARMS. "
~ Samuel Adams Massachusetts Ratifying Convention
Lmaoooo okay? And? You won't do anything. Thanks for the cute words 😂😂
Group I work with has done church security training with UTMs. Have also used UTM to conduct some very basic quals with UTMs
Eric channeled his inner Charlie Murphy and called em habitual line steppers 🤣😂👍🏻 hell yeah Eric!
"If circumstances should at any time obligate the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of ARMS who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist. "
~Alexander Hamilton Federalist No.28 January 10th 1788
Preach 🙏
Been watching you for years now, youre looking really healthy man keep it up.
Another reason I think they don't want us to have it is they don't want us to be able to train in that manner like you said it allows you to take your training more seriously and hone in your skills
I believe there is more to this than meets the eye. It's obvious that they don't want citizens training in some of the most realistic way possible. Wonder why they don't want people to be trained🤔
I have been training civilians with UTM for years. It provides an extremely safe environment to train people in.
They just want everybody as ineffective as possible. When the hell does it stop? Every freaking day, it's something new. Thanks for the heads up. Stay safe, and God Bless you and yours.
It stops with nothing short of mass noncompliance and return fire
I fully expected this to happen. I was surprised they didn't try this years ago with airsoft and paintball.
No they actually want to ban brands like pepper ball and Byrna too. They seriously just don't have respect for the need to defend yourself.
i feel like if you have the right to bear arms, you also have the right to bear training arms , sort of like if you have the right to ride a bike you have the right to ride a training bike , its sort of implied
That’s what “well regulated” means in the context of the second amendment-well trained, with free access and use of arms being necessary.
This cannot stand up to legal scrutiny. Its the equivalent of banning nerf bullets.
Force the ATF to explain its reason for cutting civilian sells. What "children" are they protecting this time?
They have zero authority to enact this ban. Take them to court.
civies are supposed to use up all their stored life ammo for training so that they do no longer pose a risk
Airsoft is an underrated training tool and can be a good alternative if you're having difficulty acquiring non lethal training ammo.
I've always said that too, people laugh at me but if you get a good airsoft gun that's gas blow back or CO2 powered and only use low cap mags that are the same capacity as the real deal then they're pretty damn realistic from a training perspective, especially since you can actually shoot them at each other safely. As long as its an actual airsoft gun and not a BB or pellet gun of course, i remember my dad and uncles saying they used to only pump up their BB guns once or twice (instead of like 6 or 8 for full power) and shoot at each other with them, they said if you weren't wearing a thick jacket or something and it hit bare skin they would sometimes break the skin a little bit and hurt like hell. 😂
We use gas Airsofts for active shooter training. And I tell people to try getting shot by them, it's not fun if you don't have a lot of heavy clothing or padding.
@@YourLocalLeadFarmer it's been a while since I've played any Airsoft, I use to play it a lot in middle and high school with my buddies on my and another buddies farms, and yeah, if you have a good quality gun that has a decently high FPS (300-350 FPS or higher, but not so high its dangerous of course) and you aren't wearing a Carhart or similar style jacket & pants it hurts like hell at close range and definitely still stings a little at a bit of range. 😂
Edit: But yeah, they're definitely good tools (especially Green Gas and Co2 blowback ones) for training in a way that you can safely shoot at one another if you take the proper precautions like a face shield or at least a pair of goggles (i always thought just glasses was still rather dangerous IMO at least, since they have open spots in certain spots depending on the specific glasses).
It begins with the little things, and slowly they move up.
They don't have the authority, and they know it. This absolutely infuriates me. God forbid we have effective training tools.
My ATF Complaint: Recreational marijuana was legalized in Minnesota. Immediately after legalization, the local ATF issued a statements saying that anyone who uses marijuana can't buy or possess a gun or ammunition. They are stuck in the 1930s Reefer Madness Era. But if you are a chronic alcoholic or binge drinker, you can buy/possess as many guns as you want.
That's another thing in the 1968 law that is very explicit. The feds don't really have any wiggle room on that until weed is legalized federally or the GCA is amended or that portion struck down (as it has been in one circuit I believe).
They don't want you training with this type of ammo, because its the most effective way to learn how to fight.
You learn a lot really quickly when the hits are real!
There will be a moment when the people open their eyes to this power grab and stand together against it. I pray it comes soon !
Love how I have be subscribed for many years, then all of the sudden I no longer was. I was wondering why I was no longer seeing content from your channel. Had to look y'all back up and resub.
A well regulated militia means well armed and trained. So how dose this not go against the 2A?
The reason is simple, they don’t want the rabble to know how to engage in combat.
The funny thing is that I was just looking for a quote for a simunition P320 for my LT yesterday and you post this today.
It's not a mystery what they're doing we know what they're doing they don't want us trained
That’s disgusting the ATF doesn’t want us to train to try to keep people from learning new skills basically keeping people stupid
"Look at this hand real quick."
-ATF
Wonder what moves they aren't talking about.
Training and brainwashing their agents to become de-sensitized to killing Americans.
Since when can a law enforcement agency make up what laws to enforce?
Thats fine, I planned on using 174g .311, steel penetrator fmj, on them anyways, when they roll up to my house.
PKM will make them regret not bringing a mbt.
Sic Semper Tyrannis. God speed.
Good to see you back at it
The only reason for that I can imagine is that they want to restrict people from training😮 scary
@Iraqveteran8888, thanks for the great work. I'm looking forward to more thought-provoking content and analysis.
To be honest Eric when I see ATF in a video title I almost keep scrolling. They have cried wolf so much it's just repetitive BS from them. They are just another waist of tax payers money at this point. The Higher courts have told them to stay in there lane time after time. Be Safe and continue to provide We The People with the latest updates.
The ATF needs to be abolished, they’ve forgotten that they’re supposed to be law enforcement not congress. When are Americans going to stop cowering and stand up to them?
How is that even possible oh wait cause noone ever hold them accountable for there overreach the supreme court needs to step on there neck and tell them to calm the hell down or the pressure is gunna get tighter
Seeing as how we’re supposed to be a well regulated militia, how are we to do that without training.? They know what they’re doing and this is just crazy.
Another overreach.
They know the value of training. Stress training and realistic scenario training is paramount to civilians. The fact of the matter is, that the govt is trying to limit our ability to be as prepared as they aim to be, specifically in stress management during defensive action. Its like us training for a bixing match against them, and them making it illegal for us to use a boxing gym, of buy a punching bag.
Never, Ever, ever, should the govt be allowed to one-up We the People when it comes to violence. The 2A was designed to have the US govt either at equal capability or lesser. They shouldnt be able to have the advantage against us. It's not how the Constitution works.
Also yes, we do make lots of non lethal ammo here in the UK, I use it a fair amount to train with before using actual ammo for sport and competition shooting, so you'll also be hurting the UK financially so thanks ATF lol 😊
ATF's responsibilities include the investigation and prevention of federal offenses involving the unlawful use, manufacture, and possession of firearms and explosives; acts of arson and bombings; and illegal trafficking of alcohol and tobacco products.
So where does it say that the ATF can make and pass laws?
Even IF Non-lethal ammo for civilians is illegal then why do they go after it while that ammo has been on the market for many years.
Oh noes 😱 so anyways I wonder if there is a way to make your own simrounds?
The ones we used in Army worked pretty well
Very possible, if unreliable.
I feel like the best solution is to encourage dissent and disregard for their laws on a national level.
ATF: Airsoft is now "simunitions"
DON'T GIVE THEM ANY IDEAS!!!!!! Cali already tried this crap with Airsoft and paintball markers.... tyring to make a requirement for them to be a clear, or bright orange, and non metal (plastic). I dont know about you, but I would not trust a plastic regulator with 300 PSI of compressed air, or 800PSI CO2.
@@ZBM2Ory Depends on the plastic. Thin-walled ABS, absolutely not. But a nice thick piece of glass fiber reinforced nylon polymer? That stuff is as strong as some grades of aluminum, weight for weight.
Our accoutrements shall not be infringed
I think we should ban live ammo from ATF agents.
I think we should ban dumbasses from silly shit, but that would never work because you would then get involved and be one of them...
Is it color? Gender or insanity?
Shooting watermelons only creates more sliced up food. killing people (or anything else for the most part) only gets you more pain and more reasons to be hewn down and cast into the fire...
That's GOD, not you or me...
I wonder where they missed it. 😞
Their goal is not to ban. It is to disrupt and inconvenience.
Great job Sir❤
I love how youtube change my notification I was wondering why I wasn't getting any Notifications of your videos
They want you vulnerable and untrained.
I think i missed ATFs stated reason for ban.
You took the knee, never forget
By literal law, The ATF has NO AUTHORITY to regulate firearms. It's time we as a whole, disband them as a whole.
Just gotta ruin everything they can huh
You shouldn't be surprised, you are in a war, why are you surprised that your enemy wants to tip the scales in their favor.
All gun control is unconstitutional, it’s an industry debating these laws and rules piecemeal in court. An honest challenge to the NFA and GCA, that would end the issue won’t happen because they don’t want to end the gravy train.
Keep all your Magazines loaded, Empty mags are like dead power tool batteries, Unless when you need them.
One gun with plenty of ammunition,
Is worth more than plenty of guns, without plenty of ammunition.
Semper Fidelis
I'm starting to think we need our own ammo manufacturer....
First of all, they have ZERO ability to do so.
Second of all, then next step for them would be to go after EVERY other type of ammunition, starting with green tips, then JHP, then ball.
ATF can eat a fat sausage.
UTM should stop selling to law enforcement and military agencies.
They'd dry up and blow away if they did that.
So this includes dummy ammunition such as snap caps? They're byfar the most affordable way to train if you're on a budget.
It shouldn't as they don't expel any projectile.
@@kenofken9458 well that's just an engineering problem. 😉
No, this is, at present, ONE company. This isn't a ban on sim rounds, that's the clickbait title.
Time to get out the checkbook and donate to FPC, GOA, and 2AF to fight this! They’ve been kicking ass for us lately!
We need to do something sweeping and get all ATF members charges with a felony for attempting to take our rights....and...get them disarmed.
They are doing this because of Bruin. A lot of CCW training operations have popped up and they are training ammo, you don’t need a full gun range to complete the training requirement if training ammo is used.
Looks like the ATF just signed up to be training dummies how thoughtful of them
Back before I retired from Law Enforcement we had a training day using simunitions when I was dealing with a hand injury. While I couldn't fire my hand gun I was used as a hostage and I remember being peppered by some of my overzealous comrades; and yes they do sting a bit 😊. What is missing from every write up on simunitions is the rational for the ban, which is necessary if you want to understand what the ATF is doing. While the reasoning is simply overreach, simunitions is a form of ammunition manufactured outside the US, which the ATF has decided needs to be curtailed. As the Oliver Anthony songs says, "These rich men north of Richmond, Lord knows they all just wanna have total control all want total control".
If ATF is prohibiting importation of non-sporting ammo, the solution is to start manufacturing of the same ammo in the US.
Absolutely. The ATF just cleared the field of foreign competitors.
@@kenofken9458 That is when their friends in the EPA whom have already cripple ammo production domestically step in.
Sometimes i wish the federal government would default on the loans. The chaos from that will be more free then we current are
It's almost like they don't want a well armed and well regulated militia.
Pain is a great teacher
I'm surprised they haven't started cracking down on airsoft and/or paintball equipment and training centers.
I have wanted to get some UTM rounds and a couple conversion kits so I could make a drill course for myself.
They would not just ship me the parts and rounds without class licenses and such. I saw them as a safer option than just using a 22lr conversion to drill plinking and figured I could use the marker versions for indoor situations on hard targets.
Never would have seen this one comming! Glad i took The Fight 2 different times with yeager while he was alive!