Minivans deserve to be more available. GM and Ford need to bring them back immediately. Nissan, Mazda, and Hyundai need to do that as well. The Pacifica needs a complete redesign with a Dodge version added. Hybrid, plugin hybrid, and electric minivans can be done quite easily now. Luxury minivans would be interesting. Lexus has the LM that I believe should be brought here.
My mom drives a 2002 Ford Windstar minivan. She drives it every single day to school and work. She uses it to get us places, and it holds all of her school stuff. We got this minivan from our grandad who bought it from an auction for 3 grand. It used to belong to a university. It sat in a garage for 7 years unused. This van has been through a lot the past few years. My mother was hit in the parking lot of a funeral home, and there is a scratch in the passenger side sliding door. She has had a few minor accidents in this van, and she had to pay for a new water pump because the van was not holding water. Just last week, she had one of the tires done because it would squeak really loud when she drove it. This van has been really good to our family for the past 4 years.
The Chrysler Pacifica and the Toyota Sienna are used here in Memphis for the MATA Groove ride-sharing service. I have enjoyed riding in both minivans over the last couple of years.
GREAT Review! I agree with you 100%. Your top two vans are absolutely spot on! I just purchased the Honda Odyssey and can’t be more satisfied with the look (style) and drive. It’s actually fun to drive and the space is soooooo comfortable. 7 adults sat in it comfortable so it’s definitely a winner in my book. One proud owner.
I agree with you man. We test drove every van available but Odyssey for me is the number one. I would pay extra for the gas just to keep the driving dynamics, speed, versatility of the seating, etc which is what you really need in a van. I just wish they updated the Infotainment for this year
Bring back the Mazda MPV! Best van ever. Bought it used (around 80,000 miles) and it lasted for 250,000 miles. We moved to a Honda Odyssey and also loved that for another 200,000+ miles but if the Mazda MPV were still in production when we needed a new van, we wouldn’t have even looked at the Odyssey. My kids even remember the MPV and preferred it to the Odyssey. It was shorter, easier to park, and the on the go 4-wheel drive feature was brilliant for our extra snowy climate. It was more secure in the snow than our 2000 Toyota Tundra and that was an amazing truck.
Minivans are the most versatile and usable vehicles ever created, and I've loved mine. I stick with the Chryslers solely for the Stow n Go seating. It's a game changer and maximizes the usable space. While not as high quality as the Japanese offerings, my previous Town and Country was super easy to work on and was very comfortable. I've been fortunate with my current '17 Pacifica. It has a couple of quirks here and there, but otherwise has not had the nightmare issues others have experienced. It's the top Limited package and has plenty of features and gets mid 30's mpg on level Interstates. If Toyota or Honda could make a similar seat stowing system to Chrysler's, I would put them on my list. I hope the minivan market never disappears. To me, the Kia seems like it's trying too hard to not be a minivan, which only makes it look more awkward. The hard focus on interior luxury really makes it less feasible since most families are sticking their messy kids in the back. A seven year old doesn't need quilted leather.
I just got a Pacifica a month ago. Stow and Go is a legendary feature. If all Vans had it, then Pacifica would kicked out the market. But that feature overshadows styling, and even a higher Trim package by FAR. It's a 2022 so I pray the engine holds together I guess.
I don't appreciate not having a non-hybrid option for the Toyota. But, seriously Honda a timing belt still? And it could really use a more robust transmission for a heavy vehicle like that. I wish more manufacturers stayed with minivans. Cheaper, better fuel economy, cheaper insurance. I always like the ones i had.
My wife and I have a 2022 Pacifica hybrid and I think your assessment was pretty fair. It's a very nice van. It's luxurious with great features, but yeah reliability is definitely a problem.
@@AllCarswithJon 2 or 3 times now my wife has called me saying the van won't move and has a bunch of malfunction messages on. Disconnecting the 12 v battery for a few minutes, then reconnecting, gets it going again. It currently has a faulty ECH (electric coolant heater). This causes the engine to run any time cabin heat is requested (which is pretty much all the time since it's December). There is a bulletin about it and is covered under warranty, but dealerships are currently backed up so we have to wait to get it in.
@@AllCarswithJon Thanks Jon. I love your videos. Keep up the good work. p.s. No need to worry about us, I'm a technician for Maserati/Alfa Romeo so I have all the resources available to deal with any issues that arise.
I like the Odyssey too. I feel it’s dismissed because it’s older than the Sienna. And like you, I like the Sienna also mainly because it might be slightly more reliable than the Odyssey. The Karnival is “meh”. It’s a Kia so I don’t care for it. But the Chrysler, I have to slightly disagree in that the exterior is my favorite design out of all the minivans. It’s the facelift that gives it that distinct Chrysler premium look to it. I don’t really care for the Chrysler Voyager though. But the Pacifica has good styling in my opinion. I wish Chrysler made more cars besides the Pacifica and Voyager. 😩 Good video Jon.👍
@@furianfire4643Yeah, the Voyager is the pre facelifted Pacifica. It looks like a minivan version of the Chrysler 200. The updated Pacifica looks more like a 300 in the front.
I mentioned in another comment - some angles I really like the Chrysler (rear 3/4 especially) but overall it looks bug-eyed and narrow/tall. I absolutely don't think it looks 'premium' compared with the others, just on-par. Still, I said styling is subjective, so we can have different opinions there! As for the Voyager, it's not even available anymore.
I have owned a 2019 Pacifica for the last 5 years It’s the most comfortable and reliable minivan I ever drived We have 98000 miles on it and the only thing I changed was oil, brakes and tires I live in Illinois, where you need awd Honda does not offer that For me the best minivan is Toyota Sienna ( since the design was upgraded) , then Chrysler Pacifica ( which offers hybrid and awd, Honda Odyssey does not offers that) , 3rd is Honda Odyssey and 4th Kia Carnival
Another part of the mini-van market, not mentioned, are the ones used for wheelchair conversions. We have one such van. A '22 Sienna. So far, so good. Living in AZ, A/C is critical to us. The rear hvac vents in the Sienna are much better than the Odyssey. One of the selling points when we selected our Sienna.
Pacifica: somewhat "Fiat-y", with the problematic Pentastar... I do love the placement of the arm rests in a Honda, they're the perfect height for me, in both my Old Faithful CR-V and my in-law's Odyssey (their second). Our other vehicle is a Kia and it has held up pretty well for the 7 years we have had it, so I would not rule out the Carnival. I drove an AWD Astro, back in the day when I was on the road 35,000+ miles/year, that also held up really well. (There, I said something nice about GM). I don't know that I would want something I had to climb into anymore, though. The really nice thing about our Sorento is the seats are the perfect height to sit down with minimal bending, so I would be curious abut the Carnival's seat height, relative to the ground. The Odyssey requires only a minimal step up, anything higher would be an issue for those with bad backs. All in all, I cannot fault your ranking. 👍👍Two thumbs up with a fist bump 👊
Some angles on the Pacifica I think are attractive, but others make it look really awkward. The interior presents nice, I think until you look deeper. It drives well, and I think compares well to the Toyota there. But I don't trust it.
Today's mini van's are out of my comfort price. For what ever is worth, I did own a 2010 Kia Sedona from new, with huge cash discount back in the day, trade it in 2020 (126K) for the 2020 Rav4 and never did have any issues with it.
Nice Minivan review. I was originally looking at the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid but I forgot about the reliability of Honda and Toyota. Any recommendations for a rear-loading Wheelchair Minivan? Thank you.
Had a rental pacifica for a week. The infotainment looks nice, but everything else was majorly underwhelming. Transmission shifting wasnt smooth, third row had no speakers, infotainment was very slow and sometimes wouldnt connect to Apple car play , seat was uncomfortable, on and on. However, the headlight brightness’s was nice and had plenty of power to get going.
Town n country Chrysler 2006 where good mine still running just air conditioning problem plus radio that played movies all stop working after 3 to 4 hrs
I have to disagree about the reliability concerns of the Pacifica IF you are talking about the non-hybrid. The Pentastar isn't perfect but some problems can be rectified with replacing plastic parts with metal. The problem I find with saying go with the Odyssey are two major problems: 1. The Honda J engine. The first problem the engine has is the use of cylinder deactivation which has proven to result in major engine problems. In addition to this is their continued use of timing belts on an interference engine which means if the belt snaps the engine is toast. Also the use of direct injection without port injection can also cause problems. 2. The 10 speed automatic is not a bulletproof unit. The Sienna is a good offering though it's liberal use of plastic parts will likely cause similar problems as the Pentastar. Based on what the car care nut channel has said it sounds like the hybrid system on the Sienna is the one to go with if a person wants a hybrid but his videos on the 4 cylinder shows it isn't as durable as the 2GR V6 which itself wasn't bulletproof having the occasional head gasket, timing chain cover gasket, and other problems. I also disagree with the criticism on the Pacifica's styling. I see it and the Carnival has the best looking (I just don't trust Kia/Hyundai engines at all).
I worked at a factory that produced a transmission ATF cooler for Chrysler called the TMU (thermal management unit). It was a complex product, with a ATF cooler on top and a casting on the bottom with a pressure relief valve and a wax motor valve. It was really complicated compared to our other products. It supported the transmissions paired with the PentaStar V6s. The reason it was so complicated was that the transmissions were hot garbage, so it tried to warm up the transmission fast. But the design was kinda ridiculous. I would avoid Chryslers.
I could have thrown in the luxury Lexus minivan they sell in China too, but I had to draw the line somewhere. I decided the Volvo is worth mentioning because it's electric, luxury, and has a real chance of coming to the US
These days very few younger women would be caught dead in a minivan. Most refuse to be identified as soccer moms. Been this way for a few years hence why Ford and GM left that market. Price would also be a problem in the niche van market for an electric Volvo in the US I think too. Maybe better suited for some Asian countries like China and to some extent Europe. My thoughts anyway.
But yet they drive crossovers and that identifies them as a soccer mom to alot of ppl LMAO ... It sounds like more people are just delusional than anything...😂
I did a video earlier this year that's there's just a bit of pushback against SUVs by younger families. It's minor in the scale of sales, but young people typically don't want to drive what their parents drove, and they all drove SUVs. Minivans are more space and fuel efficient, and typically much less expensive for what you get. Sales have ticked up on minivans, even though they're still dwarfed by SUVs
@@jermainec2462Surprisingly, it seems like that view about crossovers is mostly amongst car enthusiasts, most people see them as “car with more space than a sedan” and that’s it. I do think the stigma that minivans carry is unfortunate, but that definitely is one of the main reasons they don’t sell as well as you think they would objectively.
@@Poopsticle_256 and see the reality is a lot of the smaller SUVs and crossovers have about the same space as some of the largest sedans is just the boxer... And for the most part it's a stigma because that's who I actually see driving a lot the soccer mom LOL... And I guess you can call me a car enthusiast 🤣
So i guess the sliding doors are the only defining characteristic of a mini van now. You could set a Pilot next to an Odyssey and they aren’t a nickel’s difference apart. Merry Christmas to you & your family, Jon
Merry Christmas to you and yours! I might look into that - I think the seat height of minivans is lower, as is the floor height. Definitely more convenient to get in and out of.
The odyssey sits much lower, has the second row seats that you can slide forward and back and side to side, and the third row flips down to make a flat cargo area. I don’t think the 2 SUVs do that, the odyssey is also longer
We've owned no less than 3 chrysler minivans and I would have to agree. If it's not the rest it's the 3.6 v6 that gets me here, There's just too many plastic engine parts that fail on this engine making it an expensive buy. I do love how to Pacifca rides and drives. It's pleasurable. I love our minivans, always have. But I would have to agree with your ranking here too. I love Toyota but having only a 4 cylinder isn't going to make it for me and the interior is way too busy here. The older model in my opinion was so much better inside then the latest. But I feel that way our Sequia too. We test drove a 2023 and it wasn't bad at all. It was kind of great. But it lacked the simplicty and frankly the power of our older 2013 model what's worse is the gas milage is hardly improved for all the tweaks of that platform. The dual tubo v6 is impressive, it just doesnt have the same feel. Everything feels far more cramped and busier thank ti needs to be. Same can be said about the newer Seinna minivan too. I still believe it's a good choice, just not the best choice. I love my Toyota products; it pains me to say it but Honda does have an edge here.
Well, yes and no. Yes, I actually did completely forget it. Not gonna lie. But I don't think that's a problem because I've never even seen one in real life, so the best it would have gotten was an honorable mention along with the Volvo that's not even slated for the US.
The Honda doesn't look wider, it is the widest wheelbase. Also I would still trust the crappy Fiat-Chrysler 3.6L over any cardboard Kia on the market. You never see a Kia older than 10 years old on the road and the ones people do have all are low mileage and still have major mechanical failures.
I also would trust the FCA engine over the Kia. I couldn’t believe how popular the Dodge Grand Caravan and Chrysler Pacifica models were in the US. Dodge should make a minivan again.
I’m scratching my head trying to figure out why Honda insists on a rubber timing belt instead of a timing chain that would last the lifetime of the vehicle. Having to pay between $1,200 and $3,000 every 60k - 80k miles is stupid and pretty unfair to their customers.
You really can't rate a vehicle on looks as they are subjective. To me the best looking are the Honda and Chrysler. The Toyota and more so the Kia are really really ugly. As for reliability have a Rav and a Charger and the Dodge has been 10 fold more reliable than my Toyota. Plus missed one Minivan.available in North America the Mercedes Metris.
There's a bit of semantics here, but I left the Metris off for the same reason I left the Ford Transit off. They may offer "passenger" versions, but TO ME that's more for airport shuttle duty based off a commercial platform rather than a family-oriented competitor to these I mentioned.
@@AllCarswithJon The Metris, Transit Connect, and the Promaster City are not minivans. They are commercial vans that happen to have passenger versions.
Kia does have that 10 yr/100,000 mile power train warranty though. I do wish Ford, Mazda and some of the other manufacturers brought minivans back. So tired of huge SUVs
You missed something BIG on the odyssey’s 22/19/28 mpg vs. Sienna 36/36/36 mpg. This is a no brainer. Sienna’s mpg gets the Sienna the #1 spot. I will agree that Odysseys are nice, but I’m going to save a lot of money at the pump over 5-10 years. No contest.
Honda and Toyota have outdated interiors I like Kia with modern 12in displays and surround view cameras and available dual rear seat entertainment with 8 seats
Minivans deserve to be more available. GM and Ford need to bring them back immediately. Nissan, Mazda, and Hyundai need to do that as well. The Pacifica needs a complete redesign with a Dodge version added. Hybrid, plugin hybrid, and electric minivans can be done quite easily now. Luxury minivans would be interesting. Lexus has the LM that I believe should be brought here.
My mom drives a 2002 Ford Windstar minivan. She drives it every single day to school and work. She uses it to get us places, and it holds all of her school stuff. We got this minivan from our grandad who bought it from an auction for 3 grand. It used to belong to a university. It sat in a garage for 7 years unused. This van has been through a lot the past few years. My mother was hit in the parking lot of a funeral home, and there is a scratch in the passenger side sliding door. She has had a few minor accidents in this van, and she had to pay for a new water pump because the van was not holding water. Just last week, she had one of the tires done because it would squeak really loud when she drove it. This van has been really good to our family for the past 4 years.
The Chrysler Pacifica and the Toyota Sienna are used here in Memphis for the MATA Groove ride-sharing service. I have enjoyed riding in both minivans over the last couple of years.
Fun fact about the Honda Odyssey. A 2016 Odyssey holds the minivan cannonball record of 32 hours, 13 minutes set in May 28-29, 2022.
That's cool... but I had no idea such a category existed!
GREAT Review! I agree with you 100%. Your top two vans are absolutely spot on! I just purchased the Honda Odyssey and can’t be more satisfied with the look (style) and drive. It’s actually fun to drive and the space is soooooo comfortable. 7 adults sat in it comfortable so it’s definitely a winner in my book. One proud owner.
this is the order I like cars
1. wagons 2. hatbacks 3. minivans 4. sedans 5. suvs 6. crossovers
I need a 8 passenger EV minivan with removable seats that has a roof rack, and can fit a 4x8 sheet of plywood with Android Auto.
I agree with you man. We test drove every van available but Odyssey for me is the number one. I would pay extra for the gas just to keep the driving dynamics, speed, versatility of the seating, etc which is what you really need in a van. I just wish they updated the Infotainment for this year
Bring back the Mazda MPV! Best van ever. Bought it used (around 80,000 miles) and it lasted for 250,000 miles. We moved to a Honda Odyssey and also loved that for another 200,000+ miles but if the Mazda MPV were still in production when we needed a new van, we wouldn’t have even looked at the Odyssey. My kids even remember the MPV and preferred it to the Odyssey. It was shorter, easier to park, and the on the go 4-wheel drive feature was brilliant for our extra snowy climate. It was more secure in the snow than our 2000 Toyota Tundra and that was an amazing truck.
Minivans are the most versatile and usable vehicles ever created, and I've loved mine. I stick with the Chryslers solely for the Stow n Go seating. It's a game changer and maximizes the usable space. While not as high quality as the Japanese offerings, my previous Town and Country was super easy to work on and was very comfortable. I've been fortunate with my current '17 Pacifica. It has a couple of quirks here and there, but otherwise has not had the nightmare issues others have experienced. It's the top Limited package and has plenty of features and gets mid 30's mpg on level Interstates. If Toyota or Honda could make a similar seat stowing system to Chrysler's, I would put them on my list. I hope the minivan market never disappears.
To me, the Kia seems like it's trying too hard to not be a minivan, which only makes it look more awkward. The hard focus on interior luxury really makes it less feasible since most families are sticking their messy kids in the back. A seven year old doesn't need quilted leather.
Stow and go is king.
I just got a Pacifica a month ago. Stow and Go is a legendary feature. If all Vans had it, then Pacifica would kicked out the market. But that feature overshadows styling, and even a higher Trim package by FAR.
It's a 2022 so I pray the engine holds together I guess.
Just rented it for a week. I LOVED the engine and handling. One I rented had 50,000 miles and felt BRAND new
And you’re right. The fold down seats are #1
I don't appreciate not having a non-hybrid option for the Toyota. But, seriously Honda a timing belt still? And it could really use a more robust transmission for a heavy vehicle like that. I wish more manufacturers stayed with minivans. Cheaper, better fuel economy, cheaper insurance. I always like the ones i had.
My wife and I have a 2022 Pacifica hybrid and I think your assessment was pretty fair. It's a very nice van. It's luxurious with great features, but yeah reliability is definitely a problem.
Do you mind if I ask what kind of problems you've had. Most things I've heard/read have been engine-related, and on older models than yours?
@@AllCarswithJon 2 or 3 times now my wife has called me saying the van won't move and has a bunch of malfunction messages on. Disconnecting the 12 v battery for a few minutes, then reconnecting, gets it going again. It currently has a faulty ECH (electric coolant heater). This causes the engine to run any time cabin heat is requested (which is pretty much all the time since it's December). There is a bulletin about it and is covered under warranty, but dealerships are currently backed up so we have to wait to get it in.
@@andrewweltlich9065 Thanks for the reply. Sorry you're dealing with that. Wish you and yours a merry christmas!
@@AllCarswithJon Thanks Jon. I love your videos. Keep up the good work.
p.s. No need to worry about us, I'm a technician for Maserati/Alfa Romeo so I have all the resources available to deal with any issues that arise.
Great video. I know, in Canada, there is a ridiculous long wait time for the Sienna.
Roughly how long?
been waiting since sept 22 in southern ontario canada
@@SteveButcher-d7h wtf that’s wild
I like the Odyssey too. I feel it’s dismissed because it’s older than the Sienna. And like you, I like the Sienna also mainly because it might be slightly more reliable than the Odyssey. The Karnival is “meh”. It’s a Kia so I don’t care for it. But the Chrysler, I have to slightly disagree in that the exterior is my favorite design out of all the minivans. It’s the facelift that gives it that distinct Chrysler premium look to it. I don’t really care for the Chrysler Voyager though. But the Pacifica has good styling in my opinion.
I wish Chrysler made more cars besides the Pacifica and Voyager. 😩
Good video Jon.👍
The Voyager uses the old Pacifica design though?
@@furianfire4643Yeah, the Voyager is the pre facelifted Pacifica. It looks like a minivan version of the Chrysler 200. The updated Pacifica looks more like a 300 in the front.
I mentioned in another comment - some angles I really like the Chrysler (rear 3/4 especially) but overall it looks bug-eyed and narrow/tall. I absolutely don't think it looks 'premium' compared with the others, just on-par. Still, I said styling is subjective, so we can have different opinions there!
As for the Voyager, it's not even available anymore.
@@AllCarswithJonI see. Well, that brings us back to the top two choices.😉
I have owned a 2019 Pacifica for the last 5 years
It’s the most comfortable and reliable minivan I ever drived
We have 98000 miles on it and the only thing I changed was oil, brakes and tires
I live in Illinois, where you need awd
Honda does not offer that
For me the best minivan is Toyota Sienna ( since the design was upgraded) , then Chrysler Pacifica ( which offers hybrid and awd, Honda Odyssey does not offers that) , 3rd is Honda Odyssey and 4th Kia Carnival
Another part of the mini-van market, not mentioned, are the ones used for wheelchair conversions. We have one such van. A '22 Sienna. So far, so good.
Living in AZ, A/C is critical to us. The rear hvac vents in the Sienna are much better than the Odyssey. One of the selling points when we selected our Sienna.
It used to be called the Sedona, but Kia renamed Carnival because that is the name used in other countries
Minivans are the coolest cars.
Pacifica: somewhat "Fiat-y", with the problematic Pentastar... I do love the placement of the arm rests in a Honda, they're the perfect height for me, in both my Old Faithful CR-V and my in-law's Odyssey (their second). Our other vehicle is a Kia and it has held up pretty well for the 7 years we have had it, so I would not rule out the Carnival. I drove an AWD Astro, back in the day when I was on the road 35,000+ miles/year, that also held up really well. (There, I said something nice about GM). I don't know that I would want something I had to climb into anymore, though. The really nice thing about our Sorento is the seats are the perfect height to sit down with minimal bending, so I would be curious abut the Carnival's seat height, relative to the ground. The Odyssey requires only a minimal step up, anything higher would be an issue for those with bad backs. All in all, I cannot fault your ranking. 👍👍Two thumbs up with a fist bump 👊
Thanks! A Fist Bump too!
I have driven a Pacifica and actually really enjoyed driving it..
It’s a nice car. I’ve seen it too and I liked it.
Some angles on the Pacifica I think are attractive, but others make it look really awkward. The interior presents nice, I think until you look deeper. It drives well, and I think compares well to the Toyota there.
But I don't trust it.
Today's mini van's are out of my comfort price. For what ever is worth, I did own a 2010 Kia Sedona from new, with huge cash discount back in the day, trade it in 2020 (126K) for the 2020 Rav4 and never did have any issues with it.
Stow and go is king.
Am I crazy or were the seats on the Sienna very uncomfortable? Odyseey felt more comfortable and drove better.
Nice Minivan review. I was originally looking at the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid but I forgot about the reliability of Honda and Toyota.
Any recommendations for a rear-loading Wheelchair Minivan?
Thank you.
Had a rental pacifica for a week. The infotainment looks nice, but everything else was majorly underwhelming. Transmission shifting wasnt smooth, third row had no speakers, infotainment was very slow and sometimes wouldnt connect to Apple car play , seat was uncomfortable, on and on. However, the headlight brightness’s was nice and had plenty of power to get going.
I would NEVER choose any Kia over any Toyota or Honda.
Then you are missing out. Kia Sedona / carnival is more.reliable.than sienna and Odyssey
@@gabougabou19 well that'll be great news for the folks who stole it!
@@JK-dp3lp the Sedona is quite secure.
Honda Odyssey is long overdue for a complete redesign.
Town n country Chrysler 2006 where good mine still running just air conditioning problem plus radio that played movies all stop working after 3 to 4 hrs
I have to disagree about the reliability concerns of the Pacifica IF you are talking about the non-hybrid. The Pentastar isn't perfect but some problems can be rectified with replacing plastic parts with metal.
The problem I find with saying go with the Odyssey are two major problems:
1. The Honda J engine. The first problem the engine has is the use of cylinder deactivation which has proven to result in major engine problems. In addition to this is their continued use of timing belts on an interference engine which means if the belt snaps the engine is toast. Also the use of direct injection without port injection can also cause problems.
2. The 10 speed automatic is not a bulletproof unit.
The Sienna is a good offering though it's liberal use of plastic parts will likely cause similar problems as the Pentastar. Based on what the car care nut channel has said it sounds like the hybrid system on the Sienna is the one to go with if a person wants a hybrid but his videos on the 4 cylinder shows it isn't as durable as the 2GR V6 which itself wasn't bulletproof having the occasional head gasket, timing chain cover gasket, and other problems.
I also disagree with the criticism on the Pacifica's styling. I see it and the Carnival has the best looking (I just don't trust Kia/Hyundai engines at all).
!00% agree with all your points.
I worked at a factory that produced a transmission ATF cooler for Chrysler called the TMU (thermal management unit).
It was a complex product, with a ATF cooler on top and a casting on the bottom with a pressure relief valve and a wax motor valve. It was really complicated compared to our other products.
It supported the transmissions paired with the PentaStar V6s. The reason it was so complicated was that the transmissions were hot garbage, so it tried to warm up the transmission fast. But the design was kinda ridiculous. I would avoid Chryslers.
(a long wheelbase bolt would make an excellent minivan )
3 words - stow in go. Until more have fold flat middle seats it’s only Chrysler for me.
Electric cars are stupid. But i really like this review. I am about to trade in my 2023 Maverick for a minivan. Probably in the next monrh.
removable middle row seats in Odyssey tips the scales favorably vs the Sienna
You should have thrown in the Buick GL8 too if the Volvo is an honorable mention.
I could have thrown in the luxury Lexus minivan they sell in China too, but I had to draw the line somewhere. I decided the Volvo is worth mentioning because it's electric, luxury, and has a real chance of coming to the US
Don't forget the Nissan Sakura - a huge seller in Asia and hopefully arriving here in Europe within soon. Great value at USD $13.000!
Not is US. While I know the rest of the world exists :) I can't possibly "rank" something that isn't sold here and I've never even seen.
These days very few younger women would be caught dead in a minivan. Most refuse to be identified as soccer moms. Been this way for a few years hence why Ford and GM left that market. Price would also be a problem in the niche van market for an electric Volvo in the US I think too. Maybe better suited for some Asian countries like China and to some extent Europe. My thoughts anyway.
But yet they drive crossovers and that identifies them as a soccer mom to alot of ppl LMAO ... It sounds like more people are just delusional than anything...😂
I did a video earlier this year that's there's just a bit of pushback against SUVs by younger families. It's minor in the scale of sales, but young people typically don't want to drive what their parents drove, and they all drove SUVs. Minivans are more space and fuel efficient, and typically much less expensive for what you get. Sales have ticked up on minivans, even though they're still dwarfed by SUVs
@@jermainec2462Surprisingly, it seems like that view about crossovers is mostly amongst car enthusiasts, most people see them as “car with more space than a sedan” and that’s it. I do think the stigma that minivans carry is unfortunate, but that definitely is one of the main reasons they don’t sell as well as you think they would objectively.
@@Poopsticle_256 and see the reality is a lot of the smaller SUVs and crossovers have about the same space as some of the largest sedans is just the boxer... And for the most part it's a stigma because that's who I actually see driving a lot the soccer mom LOL... And I guess you can call me a car enthusiast 🤣
So i guess the sliding doors are the only defining characteristic of a mini van now. You could set a Pilot next to an Odyssey and they aren’t a nickel’s difference apart.
Merry Christmas to you & your family, Jon
Not everyone wants an SUV or a crossover. I would consider an Odyssey before I would consider a Pilot or Passport.
Merry Christmas to you and yours!
I might look into that - I think the seat height of minivans is lower, as is the floor height. Definitely more convenient to get in and out of.
The odyssey sits much lower, has the second row seats that you can slide forward and back and side to side, and the third row flips down to make a flat cargo area. I don’t think the 2 SUVs do that, the odyssey is also longer
I dont know if im just imagining it but the audio on this video sounds strange, different from how it normally is
We've owned no less than 3 chrysler minivans and I would have to agree. If it's not the rest it's the 3.6 v6 that gets me here, There's just too many plastic engine parts that fail on this engine making it an expensive buy. I do love how to Pacifca rides and drives. It's pleasurable. I love our minivans, always have. But I would have to agree with your ranking here too. I love Toyota but having only a 4 cylinder isn't going to make it for me and the interior is way too busy here. The older model in my opinion was so much better inside then the latest. But I feel that way our Sequia too. We test drove a 2023 and it wasn't bad at all. It was kind of great. But it lacked the simplicty and frankly the power of our older 2013 model what's worse is the gas milage is hardly improved for all the tweaks of that platform. The dual tubo v6 is impressive, it just doesnt have the same feel. Everything feels far more cramped and busier thank ti needs to be. Same can be said about the newer Seinna minivan too. I still believe it's a good choice, just not the best choice. I love my Toyota products; it pains me to say it but Honda does have an edge here.
Thanks for the comments! Happy Holidays my friend!
@AllCarswithJon Hey thank you and a merry Christmas to you and your family my friend!
I actually think the Pacifica is the best looking but i guess styling is subjective
Truly. I think it has some good angles, but overall just doesn't do it for me (exterior)
Also the VW electric whatsa- thingy, if that ever actually exists....
ID Buzz!
Jon, you forgot about the ID Buzz!
Well, yes and no.
Yes, I actually did completely forget it. Not gonna lie.
But I don't think that's a problem because I've never even seen one in real life, so the best it would have gotten was an honorable mention along with the Volvo that's not even slated for the US.
Damn that EM90…
The Honda doesn't look wider, it is the widest wheelbase. Also I would still trust the crappy Fiat-Chrysler 3.6L over any cardboard Kia on the market. You never see a Kia older than 10 years old on the road and the ones people do have all are low mileage and still have major mechanical failures.
I also would trust the FCA engine over the Kia. I couldn’t believe how popular the Dodge Grand Caravan and Chrysler Pacifica models were in the US. Dodge should make a minivan again.
I’m scratching my head trying to figure out why Honda insists on a rubber timing belt instead of a timing chain that would last the lifetime of the vehicle. Having to pay between $1,200 and $3,000 every 60k - 80k miles is stupid and pretty unfair to their customers.
Number One....
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Toyota 100% number 1 if you live in a snowy☃️ state because you can get AWD
You really can't rate a vehicle on looks as they are subjective. To me the best looking are the Honda and Chrysler. The Toyota and more so the Kia are really really ugly. As for reliability have a Rav and a Charger and the Dodge has been 10 fold more reliable than my Toyota. Plus missed one Minivan.available in North America the Mercedes Metris.
There's a bit of semantics here, but I left the Metris off for the same reason I left the Ford Transit off. They may offer "passenger" versions, but TO ME that's more for airport shuttle duty based off a commercial platform rather than a family-oriented competitor to these I mentioned.
@@AllCarswithJon The Metris, Transit Connect, and the Promaster City are not minivans. They are commercial vans that happen to have passenger versions.
First! I haven’t watch yet so I can’t say my opinion.😆🙃
LOL. There's no prize! :)
And what were you doing up at 3:15am?? LOL
@@AllCarswithJonAw..you sure there’s no prize? (Just joking😂) I was just chilling.🙃Lol!
looks like you were fourth but you still won a free personalized squat cobbler video from the channel, congrats!
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Kia does have that 10 yr/100,000 mile power train warranty though. I do wish Ford, Mazda and some of the other manufacturers brought minivans back. So tired of huge SUVs
I have a Honda Odyssey 2018 I love it but I would like to get a new one! I would never buy a electric car ever!!!😮
Chrysler Corp that came out with the minivan simply no longer exists. It's a Fiat.
Chrysler invented the minivan 40 years ago
Buick actually makes a minivan in China
I think the Odyssey is the ugliest mini van on the market.
(*gasps* and clutches at his pearls!)
Seriously though, I tried to stress in the video styling is subjective so what I love others may not. :)
pacifica is so expensive
You missed something BIG on the odyssey’s 22/19/28 mpg vs. Sienna 36/36/36 mpg. This is a no brainer. Sienna’s mpg gets the Sienna the #1 spot. I will agree that Odysseys are nice, but I’m going to save a lot of money at the pump over 5-10 years. No contest.
You haven't talked about the Odyssey rust issues come on get with the program.
Don't buy a Kia! Insurance is INSANE for them.
Honda and Toyota have outdated interiors
I like Kia with modern 12in displays and surround view cameras and available dual rear seat entertainment with 8 seats
Of course Toyota is the most reliable minivan and Chrysler is the least reliable