If I only had my ygo channel and nothing else I'd be sick of the game too LOL. I'd say your right about nearly all your points about the game (except the lack of flavor in card effects, there is loads of flavor in card effects in everything but the most sweaty archetypes, I mean just look at how Springans load their XYZ's with bullets and have AOE effects like bombs going off), and its why I make my own fun with the game and dont even attempt to play meta. The base game is so crazy boring that there is no reason to play unless your a competitive player. Which is why I just have fun with gimmick decks. I also think to many people are just afraid of making alt channels when I see "I'm quitting" videos like these. You cant really do that with streaming though, so your fighting an uphill battle thats for sure.
True, it's really just most of the meta cards that I find to be almost completely mechanical. I still like decks like Sky Striker which has strong flavor and identity with its MMZ restriction and how it adds a resource to build that is unique to it. What sucks is that the only place I can play them in Master Duel is standard ranked or viewer lobbies where people play meta anyway. Alt channels sound tough to build a live stream around but they definitely make sense when trying to build a brand around different IPs. It's both interesting and relieving to hear how it helps you to not burn out on this game. Thanks for the insight!
@@Rednu Streaming master duel alone in ranked is defenitely makes you hate the game and got burn out by it. Just like Mr. Logs said, just try to play the games differently, like play with another yugituber especially vtuber maybe? Mr. logs collab when?
Ik it’s not gonna be seen but the problem for me that instantly made me mad was that decks require WAY to many UR’s. You don’t get that many in packs and if you dismantle you have to get rid of 3 UR’s to just craft one.
what makes it worse is that the deck is not even good ,like i want to play dm but I have to get URs for a VANILLA. Like Ill spend a bunch a gems for a deck thats fun then after losing to the meta for 2hrs straight I have to wait another three wks to have enough gems to play another deck . You cant even use the same gems youd use on niche decks to buy meta decks cause they are expensive af and are subject to change.
Your points are very valid. I’ve been saying this for years, and when I say it people call me a yugi-boomer or tell me to get better. I watch more content creators that still use master duel, but create unique decks and scenarios.
To be honest you dont even need to get into a game balancing and Meta discussion to understand why Master Duel makes people quit it: The main way to get every card in the game is via the crafting system. You could spend your hard earned Gems on getting those cards but the only surefire and reliable way is via crafting them directly. Heres the problem, every card you dont need and decide to dismantle is worth only a 3rd of what it takes to generate ONE copy. So if you need 3 URs you actually need 9 URs that you also dont use or need, as you can imagine this is a diminishing returns system... EVENTUALLY you WILL run out of sacrificial cards and then have to earn enough back, which means you have to interact with Ranked and the general community: who are only going to use Meta and pre built decks that have a 100% consistency rate, which is where power creep and balancing become a bigger problem. If you are the kinda guy who wants to "Collect them all" Like i am, we are screwed, because in order to do that it requires dumping money on gems and mindlessly playing ranked over and over, which will still see you not able to get the cards youd like in a timely manner, so its just sacrificing cards you may actually wanna use later on so I can play with the ones i currently have on my mind. Its like they intended for this to be a Gacha game but at the last minute they added the CP system in just so they can say its a F2P game. It might not be so bad to have to deal with Ranked if it didnt take literal weeks of grinding to make a single deck just for it to get shit on by the same stale Meta. Theres no payoff to being creative or trying niche builds because it takes so long just for an attempt... This is the opposite problem I have with Duel Links. Duel Links is entirely rng summoning based on getting cards and it drives me nuts. But at least I dont have to play online to get progress and Gems. Im not *forced* to interact with the stale meta if I dont want to, I just wish you could fuse Duel Links with Master Duel. My main problem is having my time wasted. Duels (even ones were I get stomped) take 10 whole minutes just for one side to finish their Turn 1 combo. Even in this video look how ridiculous it is just special summoning and sending to GY several times over and over, even at 2x-3x speed its just a ton of clicking the same 3 options. What do you get for sitting through that? A fifth of the XP youll need for a single level. You deadass need like 3 hours just to get any progress and itll likely be under 10 matches for all that time just to STILL not have enough for the cards you want. You need to play MD like its your job and personally I already have 3-4 other games that already feel like that for me to wanna sink my time into the diminishing returns of this game just to get railed in ranked anyway... At least in Fortnite or Dead By Daylight theres a modicum of skill and potential that I actually feel in control of, if i lose in those games its cause I know i was lacking whereas in MD its Moreso that i just didn't have a specific deck to fight this specific duelist that i wouldve had no way of knowing id need ahead of time. There's seemingly not control in Yugi-Oh unless you and your opponent have relative decks, otherwise one guy is just stomping the other. I would probably not be complaining about this if PvP with Friends was more of a card sandbox, but because of the awful crafting system I need to sink in weeks of my life just to play with friends otherwise we are all running the same 2 decks. Fixes- -100% every card should be worth the same amount of crafting points it takes to both dismantle AND generate. - On top of that there NEEDS to be a reliable farm method for all crafting points that doesn't require you to play ranked or online at all, if these two things were implemented this game would feel so much more worth the investment and it would actually be feasible to collect them all. So there's value for collector types and for those who wanna play ranked online as well. -Allow for different generations of Yugi Oh matches, not everyone likes facing Pendulums or Links or XYZs so having the option to limit it in your own room publicly would be great. With the prior 2 changes people should by in large be able to have a ton more decks as is since getting cards wouldnt be such a hassle anymore. -Get rid of the secret packs system. 24hr time limit on a SUMMONING SYSTEM is garbage, ive played gacha games that gave you at least a week even if they were the most P2W games on earth. By this logic if the crafting system was overhauled like I said prior I wouldn't even be mad if they completely removed summons from the game and leaned more into paid cosmetics and foil coverings and such. (This will never happen cause Konami is ready to die on the P2W hill) -Actual Summoning and Ultimate Animations like Duel links has would be amazing, though no necessary I like this game conceptually, and i like watching people play it. But it is FRUSTRATING trying to grind this game.
I love your content and all your discussions from a perspective of a Yugioh lover in general. Your detailed analysis on the game and all its surrounding from Rarran opinions, Pak recent tournament and other alternative formats to the latest emerge of Rush Duel. It's a strong point and quite harsh that Yugioh is creating their own World of Complexity (self-balancing themselves with broken cards fighting more broken cards). Maybe that's why Rush Duel is created and slowly becoming a new flagship for Konami in Japan by its simplicity of "NO CHAIN LINK- no negations" while maitaining its combo introduction what Edison and somehow modern players love 🎉 Just hope that you wont give up entirely on a great game at its core, at least to comeback to a better day of Yugioh when Konami actually listen to our fan more like the alternate formats for our all different love and taste in BOTH slow and fast formats, So we can both enjoy Purrely Combo AND slow of Gout/Edison/HAT whenever we like officially (like the EDOPRO simulator or Dueling Book- If you dont know, MD itself have been our wishlist for the longest time too 😂) Wish you the best and see you in a near future ❤
the rant about magic being better than ygo cause "they are better cause the things you do are related to the cards' lore" is complete bs. Yugioh's entire archetype gimmick revolves around this.
I will admit that Yugioh has strong mechanical theming for its archetypes. My point, albeit poorly made, was more intended towards individual card flavor. I do not think the mechanical effects of individual cards in Yugioh often convey what the artwork or name depicts. Daruma Karma Cannon, Maxx "C", Ash Blossom, Kashtira Big Bang, Kashtira Theosis, all the Purrely XYZ monsters besides Plump, etc. are almost entirely mechanical in their effects in that neither the artwork nor name of the cards attempt to convey what the card is doing. It doesn't help that Yugioh has an overreliance on mechanics like searching, special summoning, and negation. Of course, there are exceptions, and some of the older and simpler cards in Yugioh do have flavor. Compulsory Evacuation Device, Fiendish Chain, to name a few off the top of my head. I'll make a video on this since this is a point many people have disagreed on, I made my point poorly, but it is one I feel very strongly in, and I also think that people who play other card games are more inclined to agree.
To be honest I saw this coming. I remember when you came back to master duel after sky striker linkage had just been released in md. You did not seem to care about sky strikers getting a boost in power. Ever since then, you have not seemed to enjoy playing master duel very much and it seemed much more like a chore to you. You did seem to really enjoy the streaming part and spending time with your viewers though. This is not where we part ways. I am happy for you and hope you find another game avenue you enjoy, or even multiple. You are not master duel and master duel does not own you. I fully believe you will be successful outside of md. Best of luck friend!
It is so sad to see you quitting the game, but I understand the frustration this game gives, especially with its wide hidden rulings, inherit flaw card design and powercreep.
Whatever u play.. it's important to have fun.. and we come here to watch u have fun.. so whatever u r planning going forward.. I'm sure it will be fun for u as well as us
This Is why the easiest way to balance current yu gi Oh is incentivize the making of unique events with unique rules that grant deck variety and innovation.
i just quit the game 10mins ago. i just cant do it anymore, been a huge fan since the first airing of the show. Shoot, my whole family used to play. i'm a huge fan of this game, but i cant stand what it's become now. As a kid, i loved building decks for the creativity and self expression.Building strategies off your own wits. Now as a adult, it's building to OTK or some other ridicules reason. ffs its not even my deck anymore, its a freakin netdeck. All for what? A small dopamine, a win that i barely feel good about. These aren't my cards and this isn't my strategy. I'm just regurgitating, what i found on YT or online. It's why i hate meta so much. And yea, sure, i'm a yugi-boomer, whatever. However, it doesn't discredit what im saying. Also i'm not saying that we should remove current format, because i get it, There are ppl that enjoy how the game is, and that's a beautiful thing. They keep the game relevant. I just think we need more options that allow different formats to be played simultaneously. Not an event, but a mode that stays inside the game. I just wish Konami catered to the rest of thier fan base. I stopped because i'm starting to notice that i'm looking at the game in a bad light, and i just don't like it. I don't want it to tarnish my many fond memories that I had playing this game with my family and friends, and the ppl i met along the way. I think what you did was courageous, especially building your platform from this game. I don't know you and this is the first vid i've seen of you. But im so happy for you dude! You chose yourself over the game, and that's some boss ahh shii you did there! I pray for your continuous success in your next venture, I really hope you find what you're looking for. Subbed.
It really does suck that the meta has become so narrow. People want to win, not make an interesting game. I've made a specific effort to avoid using staples and focus on themes and gimmicks. While I have powerful decks designed specifically to win, I typically go for the decks that have flavor or themes in Yugioh. Have made quite a few actually; Suships - Overly complicated card text on purpose to mimic menus at restaurants Dragonmaids - Focuses on swapping around cards on your field and milling to the grave, like maids taking shifts and leaving at the end of the day Yosenju - Creatures that flow with the wind, they enter the field aggressively during your turn and vanish without a trace at the end. Cardians - Extreme game of poker Ninjas - concealing yourself and taking out threats before they have a chance to strike back and disrupting plans(flipping cards on either field faceup/face down) Performapals - A circus troupe who each specialize in one thing (Referencing their oddly specific but vast array of unique effects.)
I'm glad someone understands. Even if competitive and/or looking to earn gems, I just want to part in a due that lasts more than at least 5 turns while the duel itself is interesting. Instead of ending it in just one, 10-minute turn, and/or literally completely shutting down your opponent from making a move. It's not even a competition game, a card duel. It's a quickdraw at sundown if one can pull the timing right with the right gun/deck, that lasts 10 minutes, while one person sits there and is just waiting in agony for the bullet to hit them and unable to do anything. Competitive and trying to win, that's one thing, but where is the actual competition. If I'm in error of anything, plz let me know.
I F**king hate Maxx C. I HATE it!!!!!! Everyone always has Maxx C in their open hand. I wrote down the amount of times I got Maxx C. Out of 50 games I got Maxx C 34 times! I only drew Maxx C in my opening hand 9 times.The fact that your opponent can build board then throw Maxx C in your face makes me want to smash my phone.
Flavor is the Reason why i play Archetypes that do Have it. Why Does Magicians souls Summon either itself or One of the DM Duo? Well it‘s their souls, So it will resurrect them or Stay as a ghost
You're spot on your explanation, players who argue there is nothing wrong with the game are just sheep zombies. Y'all literally play a game in the pro- league that doesn't reward you in cash, but in prize cards that you have to sell. Prize support went from PS5 to a damn Nintendo switch 🙄🙄🙄 im over competitive yugioh.
Maxx C wouldn’t be a thing if players didn’t special summon 6 monsters on their first hand.. that was never how yugioh was player pre synchro.. and even synchro when it first came out was like, “woah, you can special summon a monster on your first hand? Without poly (fusion summon)???? THATS INSANE!!!!!” yugioh became shit during xyz, because xyz cards where notorious for “can’t be destroyed by battle, can’t be destroyed by card effect” cards. Not only that, but kunami just straight up made decks that allow you to pull any card you want from your deck on your first hand multiple times a hand, and allows you to special summon 3 cards that “can’t be destroyed by battle or card effect” cards. And unintentionally have created decks that win before player two has even drawn their first card.. cards that can make you have 0 life points or shut down your entire board and empty your hand on turn 1, should not exist.. maxx c is nothing compared to kashtira board shut down, or 13000 damage to your life points on 1st hand.. the game was better when you normal summoned one card face down, placed a trap, and ended your turn.. sorry not sorry.
All these have been reasons why I’ve just never been hooked onto YGO as a card game while I’ve gone through multiple other TCGs. HS, MTG, Shadowverse, even Gwent and others. Funneling everything into the first 2 turns, mandatory cards/cards that make deck-building so extremely dull, instant conceding to Kash, Exodia Draw, and Dragon Link when going second because there’s no enjoyment in maybe battling out a win if it takes literally 15 minutes of SPECTATING. The one thing I’d say is the flavor argument is a bit off from what I realized of YGO’s attempt to do it. They do have decks that have really lovely synergy with both card design and theming around archetypes. Amazement, Suships, and UA/FA have flavor in spades. The bigger problem is the game mechanics are the ONLY real way to have good dives into lore, card identity, and such. So Konami has made it so every archetype has some sort of unique feature in how they play, from Shadoll to Salads to Kash to freaking Chemcritters. The issue for regular players usually isn’t the flavor or lore, it’s the “uniqueness”. In Magic, you had Aggro, combo, control, and mid-range. And the most common starter format of Standard doesn’t do much about it. And the 5-color pie, you really had to learn the playstyle of like 5-6 ways and easy answers for them. And they’re mainly intuitive. Keep low-cost stuff against red bc aggro color, get ready for blue counters, green loves their creatures and ramp, etc. And tribal/themes also help. All dragon decks do love making big flyers, all merfolk decks love their merfolk lords and are usually UG. Or if you’ve seen one artifact deck in a format, you understand most of them. But how in the ever living hell do you convince a new player that YGO’s game can be learned the same way? You want to play low rank like Silver? Time to learn DM, Blue eyes, HERO, Eldlich, One Bad Day, Kash, Purrelly, Swordsoul, Numeron, Salads, Labrynth, Runick Spright, Exodia Draw, the weird guy that plays Phant Spiral, Cyber Drag, D-Link, Tear, Floo, Mathmech, and others. Oh and by the way, good luck learning the matchup in a BO1. And all that flavor, all those unique decks, all that “oh I love this deck because it plays in a unique way.” Baron, Zeus, Accesscode, Appo, Ash, Maxx C, and Imperm have won the vast majority of games I’ve played. Nice “unique deck”. Cool deck building skills.
I've heard rumors of cheaters at tournaments as far back as Pharonic Servant. Game has just always been too luck sacky for competitive imo, made worse now with current state of game. Game has always been better off being played super casually.
More of a casual player here but I follow the meta enough to understand these points. And I agree with some of them. This is part of the reason I don't go to compete that often anymore. I don't use meta relevant cards even if I go to a locals because I build my decks by how I like to play it. And honestly prefer just playing with my friends. But yeah I barely play master duel now it's been awful for a while.
As much as i will miss you streaming Yu-Gi-Oh i will 100% respect your decision to stop streaming Yu-Gi-Oh and i will still be here to support you on your journey the best i can
I understand Rednu. I, too, stop playing to take a break. But you know... what happen, but I still keep up with them. So I'm not so lost when I get back (like almost never). It's never a bad thing to go back from time to time. But solely depending on it. It's not good
branching out is gonna be hard at first but its gonna be better ur gonna attract other community who play the games you play and ultimately make you and your channel grow. very mature decision in putting yugioh to the gulag. hope konami revives the game again but till then cant wait whats in store for you
I only just got back into the game and your content was helpful in teaching me how to play two of my favorite decks, Sky Strikers and Dragonmaids. Totally respect your decision though, the game has tons of problems and they're only being compounded. Not sure what the solution is, if any, but you do what you gotta do.
I 100% understand the idea of leaving behind master duel. The only reason I jumped into it was the idea that there was actually a deck called Dragon Maids. I do appreciate how many different themes there are for decks almost like they don't exist in the same world. However I gave it up pretty quick because there was just so many mechanics I didn't understand. I still don't fully understand dragon maids other than probably just the basics. Think every game thats live service seems to struggle with the beast that is power creep. Honestly I think games like Honkai Star Rail/Genshin have the right idea to get people attached to the characters to summon for them, but even they have huge power creep issues from what I understand. I hope you find something you enjoy more and hope everything goes well with moving to a more variety streamer.
What I hate about Yugioh Master Duel is how getting gems is like the equivalent of scrapping off the floor for something good especially the missions on 40 gems per mission if it was more like say 200 gems per mission I'd be fine with it..however I'm not a fan of the crafting system that I ended up with more SR craft points than UR points and it frustrates me that it take me days if not weak to save up on UR craft points with special events are like the diamond in the rough for me..also the Pendulum Structure Deck is such a bad mess I rather have a Pendulum Magician with Beyond The Pendulum in it..or a actual Utopia Structure Deck with and Astral Kuriboh Utopia Double
I absolutely agree 💯 for me the bloat of card effects is the biggest problem of the game. A single card can have like 4 different effects these days which is ridiculous. Special summoning isn't even special anymore. Trap cards are totally useless when effect monsters have quick effects and hand traps that basically do everything traps do. In some cases even spells can be pointless to run. The game needs a real reboot at this point because it's just going to get worst.
I love that last part about the dissadvantages of yugioh's art. I've never thought about the card's art basically telling you what it does. That's interesting.
Maxx C... after 2 years of gameplay is unacceptable...I remember dusting maxx c thinking its was going to get banned sooner or later and ir NEVER happened............ god its the worst. the format is terrible. truly a painful experience to grind this dogwater game, like the only FUN u can get is in gold... oh i almost forget about the FLOODGATES IN BEST OF 1 !!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAA
i agree with almost all your points, i agree with everything you say about the lack of flavour in a lot of decks. The one thing i don't agree with, is that you're never thinking about, or that turns 3 or 4 don't matter. there is a lot of one sided floodgates and non games that can happen, but more recently konami is pushing cards into a more flexible, longer term grindy gameplay style. The best decks are set apart not by their ability to do something unfair, but their ability to maintain and grind resources, even after pushing through the opponents board, which also maintains and pushes resources the next turn. the new archetypes and cards konami has been pushing recently have been prioritizing single target distruptions and recuribiility, over omni negates and first turn wombo combo boards. In the current tcg, it's the most diverse format we've had in years and years. Obviously yes there is very unfair cards that exist, but moving forward the game at least to me is moving more towards turns 3 and 4 rather than just turns 1 and 2. Much love, and i do agree with everything else you're saying.
Completely understand your point of view. I got back into playing Yu-Gi-Oh (Master Duel) only because i wanted to play with my friends again after we stopped due to Master Rule 4 and us growing up. I would love to find another digital card game (Cardfight Vanguard, Digimon, Weiss Schawatz) that i can leave yugioh for. (Just wasn't never interested in Magic. It seemed more complicated than Yu-Gi-Oh at first glance. 😅) Take care and i hope you keep doing content that you enjoy. Your happiness is priority #1.
Magic isn't that complex starting out (it can get there though), that being said Magic isn't a game I'd recommend getting into. Wizards are doing everything in their power right now to drive people away from power creep (yeah it's currently a big problem), bad products (Magic 30th anniversary), and to many products. I really wouldn't be surprised if Magic was on it's last legs in a few years.
@@Spaz740 Thanks for the heads up. I'm mainly looking for more digital card games now. Hoping Cardfight Vanguard, UFS, and Weiss Schwartz create one to start and play.
@@Sandiramon Can't really help you on that front as I prefer card games in paper. I played Magic Arena a lot once upon a time, but that was just convenient way for me to play test decks I would play in paper.
@@Spaz740 Understand. I still own a bunch of the cards for Pokemon, Vanguard, UFS and Weiss Schwartz, but I haven't had company in almost 2 years now. Our lives are just too busy now to travel to each other's houses to play.
Came here from Farfa's vid, and while I agree / half-agree with most of what you said, the "flavor" argument you made is just objectively untrue. It's not even subjective, card lore and how the card plays around the idea of their lore plays a HUGE part in how they're designed and how they interact in the actual game. The lore may not be readily available or TOO obvious in the art, but the "flavor" you described is very much there. The solo modes in particular showcase the vast worlds that Yu-Gi-Oh can create even without there being flavor text on the cards; looking at card art and referring to other cards of the same archetype tells a whole story on it's own, WITHOUT the use of text. It is one of the biggest reasons I play Yu-Gi-Oh despite its years of awful power creep and for you to dismiss in it that way is a big shame. Nibiru being a big ass meteor destroying your all of your monsters and creating a token (a huge crater in this case) is something I fucking love, cards basically imitate ideas and integrates them in a way that impacts the in-game mechanics. Traptrix luring your opponents monsters into traps with the use of aggressive mimicry, Suships having card effects that let your opponent choose what's on the menu, Ancient Warriors with a strong boss monster that will ultimately betray you if your opponent has a stronger monster, etc. These kinds of things are seen all the time even in modern meta decks.
welp, good luck to you moving forward. Most peeps here followed you for master duel streams but can't make you play if you aren't feeling it. RIP the master climb with sky striker series
my only counter argument is that all the hand traps you see in the majority of decks would be there with or without Maxx C and frankly Maxx serves more as a canary in the coal mine that the game has gone so far beyond the pale that a card like him would be this powerful
If you're not trapped deep enough in Yu-Gi-Oh trap hole you better quit soon, trust me I'm trying quit it since 2017 but for some reason when new pack or update released then here I am playing while complaining how broken new cards are
Go for it I watched cause you're really good at games. Im sure you're awesome at a lot more stuff hope to keep watching you on the 1 hour I have actual free time.
You know this might mostly just be because of who I am I’m also a pretty big fan of Yu-Gi-Oh!. I really got into playing master duel, because of the dragonmaid arc type I played purely for fun, I lost count on how many times I got one turn killed within the first month of me, playing the game, and the amount of people who kept trash talking me because I was not playing the meta deck to tell you the truth it killed my reasoning to play the game more times than I can count. Any time I came back just to play for fun same exact thing on repeat I pick a fun deck I played for fun I got Trash Talk to do oblivion I quit the game. And killed in the first turn every single time I don’t hate you girl I really don’t but this kind of stuff is going to make a lot of people not want to play the game. I understood the concept to a certain degree the hiest I got was the platinum that was with a meta-deck and I hated myself for it if I play meta-I’m not playing for fun if you disagree with that fine I don’t care. I’ve tried to get back into the game ever since I stopped I really have, but it’s so complicated to understand, and yet again if you play for fun, you’re just not welcome.
When link monsters came out and the extra monster zones were introduced, I misunderstood how they worked. I thought there was a rule change where when you summoned a monster from the extra deck, if it wasn't a link monster linking more of your monster zones, you couldn't continue to summon from the extra deck. I didn't like the emphasis of needing a link monster in this misunderstanding of how things worked, but I did like the idea of slowing the games down. Ever lose on turn 0? 🙃
on top of that it's scripted. The game will do anything to stop the player from ranking up. The rank up match is a set up to lose, the other player will be given maxx c, ash, droll, nibiru and infinite , lava , kaiju or super poly just to stop you from ranking up. Every rank up match youll have to take maxx c challenge or just pass to lose.
Been lurking for a bit, but im glad creators are coming out to say things some of us have been thinking for a while. If you try to say this in some places, youre getting curbstomped. ill still be playing , but you do whats best for you.
Understand your points and wish you well for your content in the future. I will contend, however, that no game is ever broken by design. It’s the human element that ruins many things. I’ve had fun with communities where we agree to not run certain staples or decks, and not only created balanced games, but losses actually felt good. Maybe the best of one format is the major contributing factor, maybe the Maxx C issue. But at the end of the day, it’s because there’s a random human factor that is going to affect our experiences.
Hey bro, i used to be a royal viewer of urs about 1 year ago, when i was playing a lot of master duel (u didn’t even have a model back then). Then i quitted, because i was so sick of Maxx C. I just watched this video, and I’m so happy for you. Yugioh format in Master Duel has problems, and it’s straightly unfun to play. I jumped on a new game called FFBE 5 months ago. And the gameplay is so deep, it’s probably the deepest gameplay of any gacha games. I suggest u check it out and jump on it, cuz I really like watching you streaming the game I like.
It really sucks that master duel took half the player base away from duel links. I really don’t care for master duel. Duel links is really really fun. It just took a bunch of content away from duel link’s players
We understand Rednu! You put a really good explanation! Also, I won't stop watching you because you don't stream anymore, but because we enjoy ya! All of the problems you explained are true. Handtraps are now a necessary evil that should not be added in the first place. Traps are now outdated except the few(and the exception of archetypical traps) You literally have no restrictions most of the time. Cards like Naturia Beast completely invalidate most of the game. Too mechanical. Too much powercreep. Etc etc
I tried playing master duel but the game was very dull and i just didnt think it was reasonable to be practically forced to have at least 1/3 of my deck be the same staples everyone else uses (3 maxx c 3 ash blossom 3 infinite impermanence). Besides, the power creep made the game frustrating to play I also tried going to duel links but its getting powercreeped to hell and back as well so I also quitted that
Respect your opinions as their are your but this is mine as I've played them all hearthstone, duelyst, shadowverse, mtga, Gwent, eternal, the elder scrolls legends, legends of runeterra. Why we play so much card games cuz we are looking to enjoy the games however as it relate to mana based games card text will need to be limited, with mtga they do rotation and rename cards with similar effects whilst introducing various mechanics. Cannot compare Yu-Gi-Oh with rotational mana based games we enjoy card games for what it is and every card game has its issues thus "powercreep" was widely used. Now unto Yu-Gi-Oh this is how Yu-Gi-Oh has been since the beginning of time Konami make broken stuff, we play broken stuff, we complain about broken stuff Konami ban broken stuff and the cycle continues. I respect you as a streamer just expressing my point. I would think you probably needed a break from burnout. However I play this game because the love of Yu-Gi-Oh and trust me the 1 thing I hate is singles. Ppl think playing singles shows skill. Any deck can defeat any deck in best 2 out of 3 only hope more big boy streamers can pressure Konami about it. Hopefully you come back after a month because the future of Yu-Gi-Oh is actually bright (referring to archetypes to come)
For sure, Yugioh fulfills a niche that is very unique, and at the end of the day, I just don't fall into that niche. While powercreep and meta have always been a thing within the competitive community, what wasn't always a thing was the pacing of the game and obsolescence of trap cards (general use). A lot of mechanics are reduced to irrelevancy because of the limitless power creep. Just compare modern Yugioh to Edison, or back to 2014 when I played it.
@@Rednu I guess but at the end of the day master duel banlist will implement change because back then probably had to sit through 6 to 8 months in same Yu-Gi-Oh meta with MD they actually taking actions fast. I see ppl having issues with Maxx c (I personally love Maxx c) but if that's the case limit all staples to 1 then the nibs, ash, called by, imperm, drolls and maybe we will be ok. For me personally if I see a person going off wombo combo can't break my board I just surrender saves time and move on with life 😂
I came for ygo stuff, not really interested in other types of content, but it's only right to do what one feels. To be fair, even that I still love the game, ygo content is a nish, so some of us might leave, but a more flexible type of content could atrack a widder audience, its probably for the best, even more so if you are burnedout from the game. Good to know you pal! Was nice to crash on your streams and really enjoyed your vids, good luck and have a nice one ! ❤
Hard agree. I can't think of another card game that has such complicated decks, or another one that requires you to learn EVERY OTHER DECK in order to use your interaction effectively.
Respect your opinión and what you decide. You took the time to even explain every point what can make Yu-Gi-Oh so frustrating most of the time nowadays. We the old players who are still playing, know all of this beforehand, but well, we keep playing for the love of the franchdise or that we still find some fun trying yo find new strategies. Personally I do nota play meta most of the time, as DuelLogs said on his comment before, I try yo find some original or uncommon ways to play hidden/fun strategies even if they won't work every time due yo powercreep meta. But is good to know there is still many people out there making fun content out of the metaplay or competitive. I also don't play just Yugioh xp ofc, that would just make go frustrated so easily. Anyways, have fun on whatever you do from now on. I will check your content from time to time as usually. Good luck!
Had a lot of respect for your takes, and seeing you shout out FaB is great. It just became a category on Twitch, it'd be a great time to introduce people to it on a stream or two via Talishar
i disagree with some things agree with others liked the vid me i love how crazy complicated the game is and all the decks out there regardless of how good they are but same can for sure understand your pov because as you know as a player even at your peak love of the game you will hate and it mechanics at some point even start to hate with passion i still love MD but get why your done
I feel ya. I'm currently on a break from the TCG and hope Konami finally addresses some of the issues like hitting Snake-Eyes on the ban list and bring their card prices way down. Until then, I just build decks on Dueling Book and sometimes play casually.
Honestly it's the power creep and the negate options. Running 3 of the same staples along with call to the grave, on top of double negates. Sometimes triple negates and then just Omni infinite negates + perhaps a destroy or banish effect. If cards like these ever come to duel links. I'm just gonna grind hearthstone back to back
Net decking and over OP cards have ruined the game. People dont "build" decks anymore, they follow instruction guide. Then jump to the next "big" deck that the internet tells them gonna be "meta"
Yugioh Status: Waiting for a DLC Honestly agree to most points, i think why I still like yugioh is its still relatively fresh and I don't play it a high amount at a competitive level. Honestly can't wait to see what's next (I'm not around often but I like to drop by)
Yugioh is a G-A-R-B-A-G-E game and only its super fans don't see or understand the obvious flaws in its shit mechanics. When the retort they make is always, "Your deck sucks" but the only reason they say that is a deck's lack of staples and then inability to draw a hand trap in the opening hand... well, it shows you how much the game sucks. Draw dependent trash where you either get lucky and draw a hand trap or watch your opponent play solitaire for 5 minutes.
and that why i quit master duel. power creep make 90% of rouge decks literally unplayable especially those what didn't received any new support in YEARS/ plus this stupid obstinacy of Konami refusing to add the ability to play other formats. and that why im currently not playing any card games since i live in a country where is literally impossible to play any physical version. wanted to give a try to dragon ball game but there hasn't been any news about the digital version since the end of beta. so alas.
I think a lot of this could be solved by Konami putting in multiple formats like how Magic does it. Only having an unlimited format means the gameplay leans too heavily into the meta making it unfun for a lot of players. The fact we don't have Edison, GOAT, or Trinity format kind of blows my mind. Also, the game is so new player unfriendly its kinda crazy, the tutorials suck and reading the cards gets you no where, so you gotta learn by making tons of mistakes, it's kinda crazy when you think about it. also....F Maxx C
I totally support your decision. I am glad you are now free of this burden of playing Master Duel and I hope you find games you really like to play and stream. I am myself going back to TFT (which I recommend to everyone) and quited YGO for good
Honestly came into this video sad because I found you through yugioh and loved your content from the start but you spoke so many facts in this video I cant blame you at all. Honestly fantastic analysis of the game's flaws. Will miss the yugioh content but its fine I'll be a fan no matter what you're playing anyway :)!
Oh, hi long time no see Last time we met it was still Catnu I too did stop playing Master Duel last year, about when Runick got released, mostly because burn out But I did managed to back and play a bit last month to try Purrely (can't resist the cuteness) Anyway, best luck in your future endeavors Doing things we genuinely like is a good thing
I think there’s more flavor in ygo cards than you’re giving it credit for, the issue is that it’s not conveyed super well and we have to use stuff like the solo gates to get more explanations. I don’t pay attention to the OCG however I’ve heard they’re way more communicative with the player base and discuss the card flavor there more. In the tcg, we just get a new set and have to go to TH-cam channels for more info. I don’t blame you either way. I normally just play something else if I lose/brick 2 games in a row
I watched you slowly start to hate the game but i'm happy to see you leave the stress behind. I'm guessing though that you'll play more rush duel as it gets more updates, right?
I have never seen any of your videos until today but I have to say that you make many good points. I stopped playing MD around a year ago for many of these reasons, and am finding the physical card game similarly unresponsive to the Western market.
20:48 That is true. There is a reason, why spell, that only draws 2 cards for you, for free, and do nothing else, is banned. And ban list in YGO, is almost like rotation in YGO.
i dont grind rank anymore, only play when i feel like it or my friends want to play with me. Even if i want to grind, its purely to farm gems and i content reaching diamond only. I still love yugioh but i also like to play chess and honkai star rail made my playtime on MD significantly less
As a magic player my favorite arc type are eldlitch and unchained but when the meta shift to banishing and graveyard removal I quit playing master duel glad wizards no matter how terrible they're with magic right now wasnt dumb enough to turn the graveyard into the same messy state that we saw in yugioh
I think you really hit the nail on the head on the artless design of YGO cards. There are very few archetypes, much less cards that actually use the core mechanics of the game to tell a compelling self contained story. And that's such a huge part of a good modern card battler for me.
@@devontedavis9133 pretty sure he didn't mean we don't have many archetypes, but rather the archetypes we do have don't tell a story through their gameplay.
hell yeah FAB!!! also I am curious whats gonna happen when this video makes the rounds and gets seen by some of the larger yugioh channels like farfa :o but you hit most of the reasons I returned to magic and started playing flesh and blood and pokemon was also gonna try digimon.
If I only had my ygo channel and nothing else I'd be sick of the game too LOL. I'd say your right about nearly all your points about the game (except the lack of flavor in card effects, there is loads of flavor in card effects in everything but the most sweaty archetypes, I mean just look at how Springans load their XYZ's with bullets and have AOE effects like bombs going off), and its why I make my own fun with the game and dont even attempt to play meta. The base game is so crazy boring that there is no reason to play unless your a competitive player. Which is why I just have fun with gimmick decks.
I also think to many people are just afraid of making alt channels when I see "I'm quitting" videos like these. You cant really do that with streaming though, so your fighting an uphill battle thats for sure.
True, it's really just most of the meta cards that I find to be almost completely mechanical. I still like decks like Sky Striker which has strong flavor and identity with its MMZ restriction and how it adds a resource to build that is unique to it. What sucks is that the only place I can play them in Master Duel is standard ranked or viewer lobbies where people play meta anyway.
Alt channels sound tough to build a live stream around but they definitely make sense when trying to build a brand around different IPs. It's both interesting and relieving to hear how it helps you to not burn out on this game. Thanks for the insight!
@@Rednu Streaming master duel alone in ranked is defenitely makes you hate the game and got burn out by it. Just like Mr. Logs said, just try to play the games differently, like play with another yugituber especially vtuber maybe? Mr. logs collab when?
Hai Duellogs :3
Vtuber to vtuber communication
Anything for the fun of games. I respect your decision to quit something you hate. Hobbies shouldn't become paramount to a burden or unwanted grind.
You know what's a common argument people use to attract players to newer tcgs?
-It's not like Yugioh.
That says a lot.
Ik it’s not gonna be seen but the problem for me that instantly made me mad was that decks require WAY to many UR’s. You don’t get that many in packs and if you dismantle you have to get rid of 3 UR’s to just craft one.
what makes it worse is that the deck is not even good ,like i want to play dm but I have to get URs for a VANILLA. Like Ill spend a bunch a gems for a deck thats fun then after losing to the meta for 2hrs straight I have to wait another three wks to have enough gems to play another deck . You cant even use the same gems youd use on niche decks to buy meta decks cause they are expensive af and are subject to change.
All very good points, I see no lies here. I hope you can still give Yu-Gi-Oh another shot in the future, but totally understandable if not!
Maxx C is currently the reason I'm not playing ranked on master duel.
It's always upsetting to see great content creators leave this game. But I get it, i'm sure you'll do great on whatever you take on next.
Your points are very valid. I’ve been saying this for years, and when I say it people call me a yugi-boomer or tell me to get better. I watch more content creators that still use master duel, but create unique decks and scenarios.
same here and i said most of this in 2017 XD
I did as well
To be honest you dont even need to get into a game balancing and Meta discussion to understand why Master Duel makes people quit it:
The main way to get every card in the game is via the crafting system. You could spend your hard earned Gems on getting those cards but the only surefire and reliable way is via crafting them directly. Heres the problem, every card you dont need and decide to dismantle is worth only a 3rd of what it takes to generate ONE copy. So if you need 3 URs you actually need 9 URs that you also dont use or need, as you can imagine this is a diminishing returns system...
EVENTUALLY you WILL run out of sacrificial cards and then have to earn enough back, which means you have to interact with Ranked and the general community: who are only going to use Meta and pre built decks that have a 100% consistency rate, which is where power creep and balancing become a bigger problem.
If you are the kinda guy who wants to "Collect them all" Like i am, we are screwed, because in order to do that it requires dumping money on gems and mindlessly playing ranked over and over, which will still see you not able to get the cards youd like in a timely manner, so its just sacrificing cards you may actually wanna use later on so I can play with the ones i currently have on my mind. Its like they intended for this to be a Gacha game but at the last minute they added the CP system in just so they can say its a F2P game.
It might not be so bad to have to deal with Ranked if it didnt take literal weeks of grinding to make a single deck just for it to get shit on by the same stale Meta.
Theres no payoff to being creative or trying niche builds because it takes so long just for an attempt...
This is the opposite problem I have with Duel Links. Duel Links is entirely rng summoning based on getting cards and it drives me nuts. But at least I dont have to play online to get progress and Gems. Im not *forced* to interact with the stale meta if I dont want to, I just wish you could fuse Duel Links with Master Duel.
My main problem is having my time wasted. Duels (even ones were I get stomped) take 10 whole minutes just for one side to finish their Turn 1 combo. Even in this video look how ridiculous it is just special summoning and sending to GY several times over and over, even at 2x-3x speed its just a ton of clicking the same 3 options. What do you get for sitting through that? A fifth of the XP youll need for a single level. You deadass need like 3 hours just to get any progress and itll likely be under 10 matches for all that time just to STILL not have enough for the cards you want.
You need to play MD like its your job and personally I already have 3-4 other games that already feel like that for me to wanna sink my time into the diminishing returns of this game just to get railed in ranked anyway...
At least in Fortnite or Dead By Daylight theres a modicum of skill and potential that I actually feel in control of, if i lose in those games its cause I know i was lacking whereas in MD its Moreso that i just didn't have a specific deck to fight this specific duelist that i wouldve had no way of knowing id need ahead of time. There's seemingly not control in Yugi-Oh unless you and your opponent have relative decks, otherwise one guy is just stomping the other.
I would probably not be complaining about this if PvP with Friends was more of a card sandbox, but because of the awful crafting system I need to sink in weeks of my life just to play with friends otherwise we are all running the same 2 decks.
Fixes-
-100% every card should be worth the same amount of crafting points it takes to both dismantle AND generate.
- On top of that there NEEDS to be a reliable farm method for all crafting points that doesn't require you to play ranked or online at all, if these two things were implemented this game would feel so much more worth the investment and it would actually be feasible to collect them all. So there's value for collector types and for those who wanna play ranked online as well.
-Allow for different generations of Yugi Oh matches, not everyone likes facing Pendulums or Links or XYZs so having the option to limit it in your own room publicly would be great. With the prior 2 changes people should by in large be able to have a ton more decks as is since getting cards wouldnt be such a hassle anymore.
-Get rid of the secret packs system. 24hr time limit on a SUMMONING SYSTEM is garbage, ive played gacha games that gave you at least a week even if they were the most P2W games on earth. By this logic if the crafting system was overhauled like I said prior I wouldn't even be mad if they completely removed summons from the game and leaned more into paid cosmetics and foil coverings and such. (This will never happen cause Konami is ready to die on the P2W hill)
-Actual Summoning and Ultimate Animations like Duel links has would be amazing, though no necessary
I like this game conceptually, and i like watching people play it. But it is FRUSTRATING trying to grind this game.
I love your content and all your discussions from a perspective of a Yugioh lover in general. Your detailed analysis on the game and all its surrounding from Rarran opinions, Pak recent tournament and other alternative formats to the latest emerge of Rush Duel.
It's a strong point and quite harsh that Yugioh is creating their own World of Complexity (self-balancing themselves with broken cards fighting more broken cards). Maybe that's why Rush Duel is created and slowly becoming a new flagship for Konami in Japan by its simplicity of "NO CHAIN LINK- no negations" while maitaining its combo introduction what Edison and somehow modern players love 🎉
Just hope that you wont give up entirely on a great game at its core, at least to comeback to a better day of Yugioh when Konami actually listen to our fan more like the alternate formats for our all different love and taste in BOTH slow and fast formats, So we can both enjoy Purrely Combo AND slow of Gout/Edison/HAT whenever we like officially (like the EDOPRO simulator or Dueling Book- If you dont know, MD itself have been our wishlist for the longest time too 😂) Wish you the best and see you in a near future ❤
the rant about magic being better than ygo cause "they are better cause the things you do are related to the cards' lore" is complete bs.
Yugioh's entire archetype gimmick revolves around this.
I will admit that Yugioh has strong mechanical theming for its archetypes. My point, albeit poorly made, was more intended towards individual card flavor. I do not think the mechanical effects of individual cards in Yugioh often convey what the artwork or name depicts. Daruma Karma Cannon, Maxx "C", Ash Blossom, Kashtira Big Bang, Kashtira Theosis, all the Purrely XYZ monsters besides Plump, etc. are almost entirely mechanical in their effects in that neither the artwork nor name of the cards attempt to convey what the card is doing. It doesn't help that Yugioh has an overreliance on mechanics like searching, special summoning, and negation.
Of course, there are exceptions, and some of the older and simpler cards in Yugioh do have flavor. Compulsory Evacuation Device, Fiendish Chain, to name a few off the top of my head. I'll make a video on this since this is a point many people have disagreed on, I made my point poorly, but it is one I feel very strongly in, and I also think that people who play other card games are more inclined to agree.
To be honest I saw this coming.
I remember when you came back to master duel after sky striker linkage had just been released in md.
You did not seem to care about sky strikers getting a boost in power.
Ever since then, you have not seemed to enjoy playing master duel very much and it seemed much more like a chore to you.
You did seem to really enjoy the streaming part and spending time with your viewers though.
This is not where we part ways. I am happy for you and hope you find another game avenue you enjoy, or even multiple.
You are not master duel and master duel does not own you. I fully believe you will be successful outside of md.
Best of luck friend!
It is so sad to see you quitting the game, but I understand the frustration this game gives, especially with its wide hidden rulings, inherit flaw card design and powercreep.
Whatever u play.. it's important to have fun.. and we come here to watch u have fun.. so whatever u r planning going forward.. I'm sure it will be fun for u as well as us
This Is why the easiest way to balance current yu gi Oh is incentivize the making of unique events with unique rules that grant deck variety and innovation.
THIS
I don't understand why people don't just play the fan-made games like Edopro or Omega. It's easy, free, and more fun.
I agree with you, no matter what Konami does we’re always gonna have an unbalanced problems and then there’s meta and nonsense beyond that.
i just quit the game 10mins ago. i just cant do it anymore, been a huge fan since the first airing of the show. Shoot, my whole family used to play. i'm a huge fan of this game, but i cant stand what it's become now. As a kid, i loved building decks for the creativity and self expression.Building strategies off your own wits. Now as a adult, it's building to OTK or some other ridicules reason. ffs its not even my deck anymore, its a freakin netdeck. All for what? A small dopamine, a win that i barely feel good about. These aren't my cards and this isn't my strategy. I'm just regurgitating, what i found on YT or online. It's why i hate meta so much. And yea, sure, i'm a yugi-boomer, whatever. However, it doesn't discredit what im saying. Also i'm not saying that we should remove current format, because i get it, There are ppl that enjoy how the game is, and that's a beautiful thing. They keep the game relevant. I just think we need more options that allow different formats to be played simultaneously. Not an event, but a mode that stays inside the game. I just wish Konami catered to the rest of thier fan base. I stopped because i'm starting to notice that i'm looking at the game in a bad light, and i just don't like it. I don't want it to tarnish my many fond memories that I had playing this game with my family and friends, and the ppl i met along the way. I think what you did was courageous, especially building your platform from this game. I don't know you and this is the first vid i've seen of you. But im so happy for you dude! You chose yourself over the game, and that's some boss ahh shii you did there! I pray for your continuous success in your next venture, I really hope you find what you're looking for. Subbed.
It really does suck that the meta has become so narrow. People want to win, not make an interesting game. I've made a specific effort to avoid using staples and focus on themes and gimmicks. While I have powerful decks designed specifically to win, I typically go for the decks that have flavor or themes in Yugioh. Have made quite a few actually;
Suships - Overly complicated card text on purpose to mimic menus at restaurants
Dragonmaids - Focuses on swapping around cards on your field and milling to the grave, like maids taking shifts and leaving at the end of the day
Yosenju - Creatures that flow with the wind, they enter the field aggressively during your turn and vanish without a trace at the end.
Cardians - Extreme game of poker
Ninjas - concealing yourself and taking out threats before they have a chance to strike back and disrupting plans(flipping cards on either field faceup/face down)
Performapals - A circus troupe who each specialize in one thing (Referencing their oddly specific but vast array of unique effects.)
I'm glad someone understands. Even if competitive and/or looking to earn gems, I just want to part in a due that lasts more than at least 5 turns while the duel itself is interesting. Instead of ending it in just one, 10-minute turn, and/or literally completely shutting down your opponent from making a move. It's not even a competition game, a card duel. It's a quickdraw at sundown if one can pull the timing right with the right gun/deck, that lasts 10 minutes, while one person sits there and is just waiting in agony for the bullet to hit them and unable to do anything. Competitive and trying to win, that's one thing, but where is the actual competition. If I'm in error of anything, plz let me know.
Yu-Gi-Oh is a competitively bad game.
A turn based strategy game but spamming and stunning your opponent is Meta.
I F**king hate Maxx C. I HATE it!!!!!! Everyone always has Maxx C in their open hand. I wrote down the amount of times I got Maxx C. Out of 50 games I got Maxx C 34 times! I only drew Maxx C in my opening hand 9 times.The fact that your opponent can build board then throw Maxx C in your face makes me want to smash my phone.
Flavor is the Reason why i play Archetypes that do Have it. Why Does Magicians souls Summon either itself or One of the DM Duo? Well it‘s their souls, So it will resurrect them or Stay as a ghost
You're spot on your explanation, players who argue there is nothing wrong with the game are just sheep zombies. Y'all literally play a game in the pro- league that doesn't reward you in cash, but in prize cards that you have to sell. Prize support went from PS5 to a damn Nintendo switch 🙄🙄🙄 im over competitive yugioh.
Maxx C wouldn’t be a thing if players didn’t special summon 6 monsters on their first hand.. that was never how yugioh was player pre synchro.. and even synchro when it first came out was like, “woah, you can special summon a monster on your first hand? Without poly (fusion summon)???? THATS INSANE!!!!!” yugioh became shit during xyz, because xyz cards where notorious for “can’t be destroyed by battle, can’t be destroyed by card effect” cards. Not only that, but kunami just straight up made decks that allow you to pull any card you want from your deck on your first hand multiple times a hand, and allows you to special summon 3 cards that “can’t be destroyed by battle or card effect” cards. And unintentionally have created decks that win before player two has even drawn their first card.. cards that can make you have 0 life points or shut down your entire board and empty your hand on turn 1, should not exist.. maxx c is nothing compared to kashtira board shut down, or 13000 damage to your life points on 1st hand.. the game was better when you normal summoned one card face down, placed a trap, and ended your turn.. sorry not sorry.
I came over to check this out from Farfa highlights but so you think you might stream "Rush Duels" on Project Ignis?
All these have been reasons why I’ve just never been hooked onto YGO as a card game while I’ve gone through multiple other TCGs. HS, MTG, Shadowverse, even Gwent and others. Funneling everything into the first 2 turns, mandatory cards/cards that make deck-building so extremely dull, instant conceding to Kash, Exodia Draw, and Dragon Link when going second because there’s no enjoyment in maybe battling out a win if it takes literally 15 minutes of SPECTATING.
The one thing I’d say is the flavor argument is a bit off from what I realized of YGO’s attempt to do it. They do have decks that have really lovely synergy with both card design and theming around archetypes. Amazement, Suships, and UA/FA have flavor in spades.
The bigger problem is the game mechanics are the ONLY real way to have good dives into lore, card identity, and such. So Konami has made it so every archetype has some sort of unique feature in how they play, from Shadoll to Salads to Kash to freaking Chemcritters.
The issue for regular players usually isn’t the flavor or lore, it’s the “uniqueness”. In Magic, you had Aggro, combo, control, and mid-range. And the most common starter format of Standard doesn’t do much about it. And the 5-color pie, you really had to learn the playstyle of like 5-6 ways and easy answers for them. And they’re mainly intuitive. Keep low-cost stuff against red bc aggro color, get ready for blue counters, green loves their creatures and ramp, etc.
And tribal/themes also help. All dragon decks do love making big flyers, all merfolk decks love their merfolk lords and are usually UG. Or if you’ve seen one artifact deck in a format, you understand most of them.
But how in the ever living hell do you convince a new player that YGO’s game can be learned the same way? You want to play low rank like Silver? Time to learn DM, Blue eyes, HERO, Eldlich, One Bad Day, Kash, Purrelly, Swordsoul, Numeron, Salads, Labrynth, Runick Spright, Exodia Draw, the weird guy that plays Phant Spiral, Cyber Drag, D-Link, Tear, Floo, Mathmech, and others.
Oh and by the way, good luck learning the matchup in a BO1.
And all that flavor, all those unique decks, all that “oh I love this deck because it plays in a unique way.”
Baron, Zeus, Accesscode, Appo, Ash, Maxx C, and Imperm have won the vast majority of games I’ve played.
Nice “unique deck”. Cool deck building skills.
I've heard rumors of cheaters at tournaments as far back as Pharonic Servant. Game has just always been too luck sacky for competitive imo, made worse now with current state of game. Game has always been better off being played super casually.
More of a casual player here but I follow the meta enough to understand these points. And I agree with some of them. This is part of the reason I don't go to compete that often anymore. I don't use meta relevant cards even if I go to a locals because I build my decks by how I like to play it.
And honestly prefer just playing with my friends.
But yeah I barely play master duel now it's been awful for a while.
that's too bad, always love your live twin deck, it's nice to know you
most sane striker player
As much as i will miss you streaming Yu-Gi-Oh i will 100% respect your decision to stop streaming Yu-Gi-Oh and i will still be here to support you on your journey the best i can
You should see how bad Pokémon’s PTCGL is currently but I still agree how flawed Master Duel is
Ye I can't even run it since still on win7. But I still keep up with the horror stories XD
Any chance you would try Cardfight Vanguard Dear Days?
I understand Rednu. I, too, stop playing to take a break. But you know... what happen, but I still keep up with them. So I'm not so lost when I get back (like almost never). It's never a bad thing to go back from time to time. But solely depending on it. It's not good
branching out is gonna be hard at first but its gonna be better ur gonna attract other community who play the games you play and ultimately make you and your channel grow. very mature decision in putting yugioh to the gulag. hope konami revives the game again but till then cant wait whats in store for you
I only just got back into the game and your content was helpful in teaching me how to play two of my favorite decks, Sky Strikers and Dragonmaids. Totally respect your decision though, the game has tons of problems and they're only being compounded. Not sure what the solution is, if any, but you do what you gotta do.
I 100% understand the idea of leaving behind master duel. The only reason I jumped into it was the idea that there was actually a deck called Dragon Maids. I do appreciate how many different themes there are for decks almost like they don't exist in the same world. However I gave it up pretty quick because there was just so many mechanics I didn't understand. I still don't fully understand dragon maids other than probably just the basics. Think every game thats live service seems to struggle with the beast that is power creep. Honestly I think games like Honkai Star Rail/Genshin have the right idea to get people attached to the characters to summon for them, but even they have huge power creep issues from what I understand. I hope you find something you enjoy more and hope everything goes well with moving to a more variety streamer.
What I hate about Yugioh Master Duel is how getting gems is like the equivalent of scrapping off the floor for something good especially the missions on 40 gems per mission if it was more like say 200 gems per mission I'd be fine with it..however I'm not a fan of the crafting system that I ended up with more SR craft points than UR points and it frustrates me that it take me days if not weak to save up on UR craft points with special events are like the diamond in the rough for me..also the Pendulum Structure Deck is such a bad mess I rather have a Pendulum Magician with Beyond The Pendulum in it..or a actual Utopia Structure Deck with and Astral Kuriboh Utopia Double
I absolutely agree 💯 for me the bloat of card effects is the biggest problem of the game. A single card can have like 4 different effects these days which is ridiculous. Special summoning isn't even special anymore. Trap cards are totally useless when effect monsters have quick effects and hand traps that basically do everything traps do. In some cases even spells can be pointless to run. The game needs a real reboot at this point because it's just going to get worst.
stopped playing master duel months ago and got into digimon
I love that last part about the dissadvantages of yugioh's art. I've never thought about the card's art basically telling you what it does. That's interesting.
Maxx C... after 2 years of gameplay is unacceptable...I remember dusting maxx c thinking its was going to get banned sooner or later and ir NEVER happened............ god its the worst. the format is terrible. truly a painful experience to grind this dogwater game, like the only FUN u can get is in gold... oh i almost forget about the FLOODGATES IN BEST OF 1 !!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAA
i agree with almost all your points, i agree with everything you say about the lack of flavour in a lot of decks. The one thing i don't agree with, is that you're never thinking about, or that turns 3 or 4 don't matter. there is a lot of one sided floodgates and non games that can happen, but more recently konami is pushing cards into a more flexible, longer term grindy gameplay style. The best decks are set apart not by their ability to do something unfair, but their ability to maintain and grind resources, even after pushing through the opponents board, which also maintains and pushes resources the next turn. the new archetypes and cards konami has been pushing recently have been prioritizing single target distruptions and recuribiility, over omni negates and first turn wombo combo boards. In the current tcg, it's the most diverse format we've had in years and years. Obviously yes there is very unfair cards that exist, but moving forward the game at least to me is moving more towards turns 3 and 4 rather than just turns 1 and 2. Much love, and i do agree with everything else you're saying.
Completely understand your point of view.
I got back into playing Yu-Gi-Oh (Master Duel) only because i wanted to play with my friends again after we stopped due to Master Rule 4 and us growing up.
I would love to find another digital card game (Cardfight Vanguard, Digimon, Weiss Schawatz) that i can leave yugioh for.
(Just wasn't never interested in Magic. It seemed more complicated than Yu-Gi-Oh at first glance. 😅)
Take care and i hope you keep doing content that you enjoy. Your happiness is priority #1.
Magic is not all that complex. It's very much like YGO, where the core rules are stupid simple but the CR gets wonky.
Magic isn't that complex starting out (it can get there though), that being said Magic isn't a game I'd recommend getting into. Wizards are doing everything in their power right now to drive people away from power creep (yeah it's currently a big problem), bad products (Magic 30th anniversary), and to many products. I really wouldn't be surprised if Magic was on it's last legs in a few years.
@@Spaz740 Thanks for the heads up.
I'm mainly looking for more digital card games now.
Hoping Cardfight Vanguard, UFS, and Weiss Schwartz create one to start and play.
@@Sandiramon Can't really help you on that front as I prefer card games in paper. I played Magic Arena a lot once upon a time, but that was just convenient way for me to play test decks I would play in paper.
@@Spaz740 Understand.
I still own a bunch of the cards for Pokemon, Vanguard, UFS and Weiss Schwartz, but I haven't had company in almost 2 years now.
Our lives are just too busy now to travel to each other's houses to play.
What's about Omega from Duelist Alliance?
I’ve been thinking about quitting MD as well! Ur one of my fav YG-tuber and will always be regardless ❤
Came here from Farfa's vid, and while I agree / half-agree with most of what you said, the "flavor" argument you made is just objectively untrue. It's not even subjective, card lore and how the card plays around the idea of their lore plays a HUGE part in how they're designed and how they interact in the actual game. The lore may not be readily available or TOO obvious in the art, but the "flavor" you described is very much there. The solo modes in particular showcase the vast worlds that Yu-Gi-Oh can create even without there being flavor text on the cards; looking at card art and referring to other cards of the same archetype tells a whole story on it's own, WITHOUT the use of text. It is one of the biggest reasons I play Yu-Gi-Oh despite its years of awful power creep and for you to dismiss in it that way is a big shame. Nibiru being a big ass meteor destroying your all of your monsters and creating a token (a huge crater in this case) is something I fucking love, cards basically imitate ideas and integrates them in a way that impacts the in-game mechanics. Traptrix luring your opponents monsters into traps with the use of aggressive mimicry, Suships having card effects that let your opponent choose what's on the menu, Ancient Warriors with a strong boss monster that will ultimately betray you if your opponent has a stronger monster, etc. These kinds of things are seen all the time even in modern meta decks.
welp, good luck to you moving forward. Most peeps here followed you for master duel streams but can't make you play if you aren't feeling it. RIP the master climb with sky striker series
Had to pause an immediately chuckled the moment you brought up Maxx C. Knew it was coming. lmao
my only counter argument is that all the hand traps you see in the majority of decks would be there with or without Maxx C and frankly Maxx serves more as a canary in the coal mine that the game has gone so far beyond the pale that a card like him would be this powerful
If you're not trapped deep enough in Yu-Gi-Oh trap hole you better quit soon, trust me I'm trying quit it since 2017 but for some reason when new pack or update released then here I am playing while complaining how broken new cards are
Go for it I watched cause you're really good at games.
Im sure you're awesome at a lot more stuff hope to keep watching you on the 1 hour I have actual free time.
You know this might mostly just be because of who I am I’m also a pretty big fan of Yu-Gi-Oh!. I really got into playing master duel, because of the dragonmaid arc type I played purely for fun,
I lost count on how many times I got one turn killed within the first month of me, playing the game, and the amount of people who kept trash talking me because I was not playing the meta deck to tell you the truth it killed my reasoning to play the game more times than I can count. Any time I came back just to play for fun same exact thing on repeat I pick a fun deck I played for fun I got Trash Talk to do oblivion I quit the game. And killed in the first turn every single time I don’t hate you girl I really don’t but this kind of stuff is going to make a lot of people not want to play the game. I understood the concept to a certain degree the hiest I got was the platinum that was with a meta-deck and I hated myself for it if I play meta-I’m not playing for fun if you disagree with that fine I don’t care. I’ve tried to get back into the game ever since I stopped I really have, but it’s so complicated to understand, and yet again if you play for fun, you’re just not welcome.
MTG mitigates it's power creep by having multiple, actual varied formats.
When link monsters came out and the extra monster zones were introduced, I misunderstood how they worked. I thought there was a rule change where when you summoned a monster from the extra deck, if it wasn't a link monster linking more of your monster zones, you couldn't continue to summon from the extra deck.
I didn't like the emphasis of needing a link monster in this misunderstanding of how things worked, but I did like the idea of slowing the games down. Ever lose on turn 0? 🙃
soon there will be the Yu-Gi-Oh! Early Days Collection
i hopenit will have an online mode
on top of that it's scripted. The game will do anything to stop the player from ranking up. The rank up match is a set up to lose, the other player will be given maxx c, ash, droll, nibiru and infinite , lava , kaiju or super poly just to stop you from ranking up. Every rank up match youll have to take maxx c challenge or just pass to lose.
Been lurking for a bit, but im glad creators are coming out to say things some of us have been thinking for a while. If you try to say this in some places, youre getting curbstomped. ill still be playing , but you do whats best for you.
Understand your points and wish you well for your content in the future.
I will contend, however, that no game is ever broken by design. It’s the human element that ruins many things.
I’ve had fun with communities where we agree to not run certain staples or decks, and not only created balanced games, but losses actually felt good. Maybe the best of one format is the major contributing factor, maybe the Maxx C issue. But at the end of the day, it’s because there’s a random human factor that is going to affect our experiences.
Hey bro, i used to be a royal viewer of urs about 1 year ago, when i was playing a lot of master duel (u didn’t even have a model back then). Then i quitted, because i was so sick of Maxx C. I just watched this video, and I’m so happy for you. Yugioh format in Master Duel has problems, and it’s straightly unfun to play. I jumped on a new game called FFBE 5 months ago. And the gameplay is so deep, it’s probably the deepest gameplay of any gacha games. I suggest u check it out and jump on it, cuz I really like watching you streaming the game I like.
It really sucks that master duel took half the player base away from duel links. I really don’t care for master duel. Duel links is really really fun. It just took a bunch of content away from duel link’s players
We understand Rednu! You put a really good explanation! Also, I won't stop watching you because you don't stream anymore, but because we enjoy ya!
All of the problems you explained are true.
Handtraps are now a necessary evil that should not be added in the first place.
Traps are now outdated except the few(and the exception of archetypical traps)
You literally have no restrictions most of the time.
Cards like Naturia Beast completely invalidate most of the game.
Too mechanical.
Too much powercreep.
Etc etc
I tried playing master duel but the game was very dull and i just didnt think it was reasonable to be practically forced to have at least 1/3 of my deck be the same staples everyone else uses (3 maxx c 3 ash blossom 3 infinite impermanence). Besides, the power creep made the game frustrating to play
I also tried going to duel links but its getting powercreeped to hell and back as well so I also quitted that
Respect your opinions as their are your but this is mine as I've played them all hearthstone, duelyst, shadowverse, mtga, Gwent, eternal, the elder scrolls legends, legends of runeterra. Why we play so much card games cuz we are looking to enjoy the games however as it relate to mana based games card text will need to be limited, with mtga they do rotation and rename cards with similar effects whilst introducing various mechanics. Cannot compare Yu-Gi-Oh with rotational mana based games we enjoy card games for what it is and every card game has its issues thus "powercreep" was widely used. Now unto Yu-Gi-Oh this is how Yu-Gi-Oh has been since the beginning of time Konami make broken stuff, we play broken stuff, we complain about broken stuff Konami ban broken stuff and the cycle continues. I respect you as a streamer just expressing my point. I would think you probably needed a break from burnout. However I play this game because the love of Yu-Gi-Oh and trust me the 1 thing I hate is singles. Ppl think playing singles shows skill. Any deck can defeat any deck in best 2 out of 3 only hope more big boy streamers can pressure Konami about it. Hopefully you come back after a month because the future of Yu-Gi-Oh is actually bright (referring to archetypes to come)
For sure, Yugioh fulfills a niche that is very unique, and at the end of the day, I just don't fall into that niche. While powercreep and meta have always been a thing within the competitive community, what wasn't always a thing was the pacing of the game and obsolescence of trap cards (general use). A lot of mechanics are reduced to irrelevancy because of the limitless power creep. Just compare modern Yugioh to Edison, or back to 2014 when I played it.
@@Rednu I guess but at the end of the day master duel banlist will implement change because back then probably had to sit through 6 to 8 months in same Yu-Gi-Oh meta with MD they actually taking actions fast. I see ppl having issues with Maxx c (I personally love Maxx c) but if that's the case limit all staples to 1 then the nibs, ash, called by, imperm, drolls and maybe we will be ok. For me personally if I see a person going off wombo combo can't break my board I just surrender saves time and move on with life 😂
I came for ygo stuff, not really interested in other types of content, but it's only right to do what one feels.
To be fair, even that I still love the game, ygo content is a nish, so some of us might leave, but a more flexible type of content could atrack a widder audience, its probably for the best, even more so if you are burnedout from the game.
Good to know you pal!
Was nice to crash on your streams and really enjoyed your vids, good luck and have a nice one ! ❤
No worries man, play what you enjoy. Best of luck with your future ventures!
Aye, thats fair. Completely valid reasons & explantion on why you would quit.
any way to play that flesh and blood game online it sounds kinda interesting
im playing im just tired of meta players they suck the fun out of the game oh its your turn let me pop off a ton of effects so you can't play at all
Hard agree. I can't think of another card game that has such complicated decks, or another one that requires you to learn EVERY OTHER DECK in order to use your interaction effectively.
Respect your opinión and what you decide. You took the time to even explain every point what can make Yu-Gi-Oh so frustrating most of the time nowadays. We the old players who are still playing, know all of this beforehand, but well, we keep playing for the love of the franchdise or that we still find some fun trying yo find new strategies. Personally I do nota play meta most of the time, as DuelLogs said on his comment before, I try yo find some original or uncommon ways to play hidden/fun strategies even if they won't work every time due yo powercreep meta. But is good to know there is still many people out there making fun content out of the metaplay or competitive.
I also don't play just Yugioh xp ofc, that would just make go frustrated so easily.
Anyways, have fun on whatever you do from now on. I will check your content from time to time as usually.
Good luck!
Had a lot of respect for your takes, and seeing you shout out FaB is great.
It just became a category on Twitch, it'd be a great time to introduce people to it on a stream or two via Talishar
i disagree with some things agree with others liked the vid me i love how crazy complicated the game is and all the decks out there regardless of how good they are but same can for sure understand your pov because as you know as a player even at your peak love of the game you will hate and it mechanics at some point even start to hate with passion i still love MD but get why your done
Engage is back to 3, welcome back.
Looking forward to trying it out again!
Me and my friends only play Speed Duel, we have so much fun playing it last 2 years.
We tried master duel but it is so beginner unfriendly...
I feel ya. I'm currently on a break from the TCG and hope Konami finally addresses some of the issues like hitting Snake-Eyes on the ban list and bring their card prices way down. Until then, I just build decks on Dueling Book and sometimes play casually.
They will hit snake eyes once they hit market cap lol they always do~
Honestly it's the power creep and the negate options. Running 3 of the same staples along with call to the grave, on top of double negates. Sometimes triple negates and then just Omni infinite negates + perhaps a destroy or banish effect. If cards like these ever come to duel links. I'm just gonna grind hearthstone back to back
Man i really like watching you years ago when talking about sky striker still in your doodle avatar.
Net decking and over OP cards have ruined the game. People dont "build" decks anymore, they follow instruction guide. Then jump to the next "big" deck that the internet tells them gonna be "meta"
Yugioh Status: Waiting for a DLC
Honestly agree to most points, i think why I still like yugioh is its still relatively fresh and I don't play it a high amount at a competitive level. Honestly can't wait to see what's next (I'm not around often but I like to drop by)
I agree man, its killing me Lethal company has been a big help for me to grow, so try that.
I play mtg a bit too, and the latest set has alot of powercreep and card complexity. But more power too you, i hope you enjoy your new adventure.
Yugioh is a G-A-R-B-A-G-E game and only its super fans don't see or understand the obvious flaws in its shit mechanics.
When the retort they make is always, "Your deck sucks" but the only reason they say that is a deck's lack of staples and then inability to draw a hand trap in the opening hand... well, it shows you how much the game sucks.
Draw dependent trash where you either get lucky and draw a hand trap or watch your opponent play solitaire for 5 minutes.
and that why i quit master duel. power creep make 90% of rouge decks literally unplayable especially those what didn't received any new support in YEARS/ plus this stupid obstinacy of Konami refusing to add the ability to play other formats.
and that why im currently not playing any card games since i live in a country where is literally impossible to play any physical version. wanted to give a try to dragon ball game but there hasn't been any news about the digital version since the end of beta. so alas.
I think a lot of this could be solved by Konami putting in multiple formats like how Magic does it. Only having an unlimited format means the gameplay leans too heavily into the meta making it unfun for a lot of players. The fact we don't have Edison, GOAT, or Trinity format kind of blows my mind. Also, the game is so new player unfriendly its kinda crazy, the tutorials suck and reading the cards gets you no where, so you gotta learn by making tons of mistakes, it's kinda crazy when you think about it.
also....F Maxx C
I totally support your decision. I am glad you are now free of this burden of playing Master Duel and I hope you find games you really like to play and stream. I am myself going back to TFT (which I recommend to everyone) and quited YGO for good
Honestly came into this video sad because I found you through yugioh and loved your content from the start but you spoke so many facts in this video I cant blame you at all. Honestly fantastic analysis of the game's flaws. Will miss the yugioh content but its fine I'll be a fan no matter what you're playing anyway :)!
Oh, hi long time no see
Last time we met it was still Catnu
I too did stop playing Master Duel last year, about when Runick got released, mostly because burn out
But I did managed to back and play a bit last month to try Purrely (can't resist the cuteness)
Anyway, best luck in your future endeavors
Doing things we genuinely like is a good thing
can def see your position, yugioh can be such an agonizing experience. no idea why I am so addicted
Excellent video. I agree 100%. You hit the nail on the head with most of the problems of modern yugioh.
I think there’s more flavor in ygo cards than you’re giving it credit for, the issue is that it’s not conveyed super well and we have to use stuff like the solo gates to get more explanations.
I don’t pay attention to the OCG however I’ve heard they’re way more communicative with the player base and discuss the card flavor there more. In the tcg, we just get a new set and have to go to TH-cam channels for more info.
I don’t blame you either way. I normally just play something else if I lose/brick 2 games in a row
Hand traps are the single worst thing to ever exist in Yugioh.
I watched you slowly start to hate the game but i'm happy to see you leave the stress behind. I'm guessing though that you'll play more rush duel as it gets more updates, right?
I love Rush Duel, so that is a possibility. I wish they had more frequent updates!
I have never seen any of your videos until today but I have to say that you make many good points. I stopped playing MD around a year ago for many of these reasons, and am finding the physical card game similarly unresponsive to the Western market.
20:48 That is true.
There is a reason, why spell, that only draws 2 cards for you, for free, and do nothing else, is banned. And ban list in YGO, is almost like rotation in YGO.
Yosenju with some Kaiju's and Laval Golem and you'll feel refreshed
i dont grind rank anymore, only play when i feel like it or my friends want to play with me. Even if i want to grind, its purely to farm gems and i content reaching diamond only. I still love yugioh but i also like to play chess and honkai star rail made my playtime on MD significantly less
As a magic player my favorite arc type are eldlitch and unchained but when the meta shift to banishing and graveyard removal I quit playing master duel glad wizards no matter how terrible they're with magic right now wasnt dumb enough to turn the graveyard into the same messy state that we saw in yugioh
I think you really hit the nail on the head on the artless design of YGO cards. There are very few archetypes, much less cards that actually use the core mechanics of the game to tell a compelling self contained story. And that's such a huge part of a good modern card battler for me.
Time stamp?
I’m confused I’m pretty sure yugioh has the most archetypes available out of all that I’ve played
@@devontedavis9133 pretty sure he didn't mean we don't have many archetypes, but rather the archetypes we do have don't tell a story through their gameplay.
@@ZeothTheHedgehog 12:10
@@devontedavis9133 Reading comprehension of a YGO player :p
hell yeah FAB!!! also I am curious whats gonna happen when this video makes the rounds and gets seen by some of the larger yugioh channels like farfa :o
but you hit most of the reasons I returned to magic and started playing flesh and blood and pokemon was also gonna try digimon.