Canon EOS 5DsR Final Verdict | Do You Need 50 Megapixels?
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- Canon EOS 5DsR Final Verdict | Photographer Dustin Abbott gives his final verdict on the Canon EOS 5DsR. In this review he breaks down the strengths and weaknesses of the camera and backs it up with a host of real images. To read the full written review: bit.ly/2a7Sgc4 | To visit the image gallery: bit.ly/28NgV4k | To Purchase the Camera: bhpho.to/290nW1y
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Great review, Dustin.
I really must commend you on the exhaustive analysis and reviewing of one single camera.
Well done!
Thanks. I do my best to be thorough
Is it ever brought up that this sensor can’t resolve 50MP, just curious? I have the chance to pick one up for a killer deal but I’m a little worried about the lack of “true” 50MP. It looks like to even approach 40MP you need Otus-level glass or Sigma’s newest, sharpest long lenses. I personally don’t see a huge advantage with this sensor if the actual resolution I’m getting is within 4 to 6MP of the 5D IV because the DR and color depth is still from Canon’s 10 year-old silicon.
I bet after 15 years or so, you won´t regret that you shot your pictures at 50 MP in 2016. Screen resolutions are getting higher all the time; iMacs are at 4/5 K now, after ten years they might be at 8K or higher and then you start to appreciate your collection of 50 MP files because upsizing low MP shots for the new screens (at that time considered low MPs like 20) is not going to make them look good.
Also when it comes to printing, I can see a difference in a 19 x 28" panorama printed with my Epson Sure Color P600 when I have taken the shots the panorama is combined of keeping my 6D vertically vs horizontally. The vertical shots result in higher resolution panorama which has more details when printed.
I would definitely buy a 5DsR but unfortunately it is too expensive for me, but yes, the 50 MPs would be beneficial in terms of resolution and the fact that high resolution images always hold there own as time goes on.
That's a very solid perspective.
Great vision.
Dustin, as ever a truly brilliant review. I think yours are the best reviews on the internet. This is so well balanced and realistic and I can tell they are coming from someone who actually knows what they are talking about. I will always look forward to your reviews, thanks!
+Bo Dez That's really great feedback. Thanks!
I sold my 90D and bought the 5DS. Absolutely no regrets, apart from video (which I never use anyway) the 5DS is twice the camera that the 90D. And crop sensors suck for landscapes!
This is definitely a great landscape camera.
Great review of this camera. I have been using it for 4 years now for landscape mainly and some wildlife. The main gripe I have with it is the ISO and the noise. But as a landscape photographer and shooting at 100 ISO that hasn't been much of a problem. I sell my work as large canvases, so this is my reason for wanting the 50mp. Just subbed to your channel Dustin and look forward to seeing more of your content!
That's the perfect use for a high rez camera like this. I'm hoping that Canon has solved a lot of the weaknesses of the sensor with the 45Mpx sensor on the upcoming R5
My dream camera
It's a good dream :)
Now in 2020, If I want to upgrade my 5d2, for mostly indoor party, church event, which one be better, 5d4 for $2000, or 5ds for $1000, roughly half price of 5d4. I use max iso 1600 on 5d2, 5d4 will be better for low light of course, but would 5ds be adequate enough compared to 5d2? No I don't need full 50MP for events , but I can step down to Medium Raw, and use full res on portrait job, correct?
I think if you're coming from a 5D2, a 5Ds might be a nice upgrade. It gives you some choices with resolution.
Hi, Dustin! Actually usefull and honest review, as always! I like your reviews not only because of it's informative, but because it's very usefull for my learning english(especially for "listening"). Your speech is clear and articulate actually. Thank's for your labours. Best regards from Russia!
Thank you very much. I've heard that before, and consider it a compliment.
The same here, fully agreed! :)
Thank you for the review. It was great!!
Thank you!
Great review Dustin as is all your reviews. 👍👏👏.
I have owned my 5DSR since they were launched.. I use it for landscape and wildlife but not action captures. It has the resolution you speak of which for my purposes is ideal .. it’s a great quality camera with a nice smooth and quiet shutter . I also own the 5DS .. both brilliant for their applications . Glass is important and use only the finest or those 50meg sensors will punish you for sure .. fast shutter speed generally helps if used handheld . I use my 300 mm f2.8 MK2 lens on both bodies with great image quality . So at this point 7 years old now I still can’t justify switching over to mirror less. These 50 meg bodies are still delivering brilliant images with gorgeous resolution . I still have my 5Dmk3 body which is still a great camera for the right application . Stay well and as always I appreciate your in-depth reviews . The best man on TH-cam for honest and accurate feedback.
When used in ideal conditions these cameras still provide some of the best image quality that Canon has delivered - though they are not great if used at extremes (higher ISO or scenes demanding a lot of dynamic range).
@@DustinAbbottTWI Totally agreed 👌🏻
Still a great camera in 2020 in a great price 😀
That's true.
A professional review, as usual . I will be waiting for the 5D MK4 at your channel
My request is already in!
Make it Exclusive and I hope the review will be with the new EF 35mm F.14
Looking to get EOS-R set instead since 5DSR (used) is not cheap over here. (I quit photography in 2013 and sold all 5DM2 set).
5DSR was on my list. Thank you for the review.
Glad to help out.
This was incredibly helpful, thank you.
Glad to help out.
i'd like to get a clarification here, 5DSR has a maximum ISO of 6400, how does it expand to 12800?
does a higher number of ISO mean more ability to handle noise or does it mean more noise will appear as we ascend in ISO?
thanks for the video and i hope i can get an answer..
Most every camera has a normal range (in this case 100-6400), and an expanded range (12,800 here). The expanded range usually gives you much poorer results and should mostly only be used in emergency situations.
No problem dropping down to ISO 50 in the studio, tho, in my experience with the first three 5D models. According to DXO labs, you get more detail, as you would expect.
Great video, thank you. The 5DSR and the soon to be released 5D Mark IV are on my short list. Have been a very happy user of the 5D Mark III since 2012 and I'm looking for a worthy successor to this remarkable camera. Thank you for your good work.
I've got high hopes for the 5D4. The spec list (proposed) looks promising
And in 2020 I still use it , Dustin, and now they are very cheap in your countries (Canada and NorthAmerica). In fact I was intending to buy another one, till the pandemic came on to all of us, and couldn't travel anymore! Can you believe me I finally choose this one, over my Fuji xt 2 paired with the 80mm for macro? Why? Cause the 50mpx are working definetely much better, in terms of images. Dustin, I send you my best regards of health for you and your beautiful family! Best for you , Daniela, from Uruguay.
At low ISO settings the 5DsR still delivers ome of the very best image quality out there.
@@DustinAbbottTWI you are absolutely true, plus it is a tank, I fell in the mud, with lens, camera etc, just two minutes later, after cleaning it, I went on photographing as nothing... so sturdy
Fantastic work Dustin, really appreciated your reviews on the 5DsR, you have nailed what these mega pixel cameras are for and have helped me make up my mind to add one to my kit.
Thank you once again for your very informative and thorougher review.
Glad to hear that I could help out!
Do you get better low light performance when you shoot at 28 megapixels?
I found the answer to be yes.
Thank you Dustin! Fantastic detail combined with real-word application commentary. Your conclusion made my decision easy for my application.
Thanks for the great feedback
I'm trying to decide whether this is best for me. I do a lot of large scale printing for exhibitions, however a lot of my work is astrophotography and I've heard the 5DSR has horrible noise for nighttime/long exposure shooting
It sounds like the 5D IV might be a good compromise. Fairly high resolution but with excellent noise control.
Thanks for another great review...we appreciate the great effort!
Question about noise - you mentioned it shows up more with a high megapixel count, but when you change the camera's settings to a lower MP setting, do you still get the same amount of noise, or is it reduced with the MP count? Or to put it another way, is it a result of the sensor itself regardless of settings, or how the camera processes the resolution setting?
+coronis15 It's the result of the pixel pitch (sensor), so downsizing seems to do the best job
It is such a pleasure watching your reviews. Please do more photography oriented tutorials also. Thank you for your time.
+Wahab Dilawar I'll do my best. Thank you
Great review Dustin and thank you for taking the time and effort to produce stuff like this. I am about to replace my Nikon gear ( I sold it as I had to give my son 24hr care after a head injury)Deciding to go for Canon, I have had in my basket the 5DSR and removed and replaced it with the 1DX MKII, I have swapped them several times and am in a real dilemma!!! I want a good all round body but will be doing a lot of fine art and portrait work. I will be buying L series lenses from 16mm through to 200mm all at f2.8. I am worried that I won't be satisfied with the image quality of the 1DX MKII and am tempted by the 5DSR for that reason but will I regret not getting the all round ability of the flagship body. Have you any advice re this choice. I know it's horses for courses but can't seem to find any objective comments relating to the image quality of the 1DX MKII.
The 1Dx II has beautiful image quality, but obviously at a much lower resolution. Have you considered the new 5D Mark IV. I've been shooting with it for a couple of weeks and would consider it a good compromise between the two. I'm quite happy with it.
Thanks for that Dustin, I will take a look at that, keep the great reviews coming.
I had a high megapixel camera with Sony, (A7r) after having the 5D Mark iii, I came back to Canon, went for the 6D this time as I'm mostly a Landscapper. What I found, is that the Canon lenses, (was able to buy the 24-70 2.8 ii instead of mark 1 this time, 135/2L and some more), really produced a ton of detail. Although the A7R was giving me more resolution on the sensor side, I was not getting as much detail as I get on the lens side. That's when I finally realized the lenses really were more important than the camera. I can get an incredible amount of detail now, razor sharp images. I'm hoping the 5D Mark IV will be between 28-32 megapixels and I'm sure it will be. I feel like that is the sweet spot. When I had the Sony they didn't have their new zooms out yet, and I didn't want to adapt lenses. I've done some 5DSR test and on a high resolution monitor, even with some pretty extreme crops, I could tell the difference slightly but most people wouldn't be able to. On a print, perhaps it would be more noticeable. If our lenses could resolve 50 megapixels then it would be a huge step.
There are some lenses that can resolve high enough to make a difference, but, you are right - many people will not be able to tell the difference. You have to know HOW to use that high of resolution.
The lenses definitely come first. I do miss going 1:1 with all those megapixels the A7R had, however the detail with my 6D is much better with my Canon glass. For example, I can zoom into my cats eye on the A7R and of course it'll have more resolution sensor wise, but on the Canon, the eyes will be razor sharp. I realize I could have adapted the lenses but that seemed like a hassle, especially with the auto focus just being better on Native lenses.
It all worked out in the end because I got better lenses this time around with Canon. The main thing that brought me back to Canon was I noticed how different they looked, the Sony really never felt natural, I was really slow on it, where as I'm fast on the Canon cameras, shooting in M. I was doing a professional photoshoot with the A7R for an 8 month old. As soon as I'd get him in focus he'd move. It wasn't as instant as the Canon, focus, snap, under a second.
Also, when I had the A7R, I had to shoot at higher shutter speeds to get a sharp picture at 1:1. I never knew when I was going to crop or print large and I wanted it to be sharp at 1:1, and that required a faster shutter speed.
We do have lenses that can resolve a 28-32 megapixel 5D Mark IV easily. I think out current generation of lenses would be best shown on 28-32 megapixels. On the 5DSR, my 24-70 2.8 ii will resolve 33 megapixels but most don't even resolve 33.
If you're a landscape photographer and like to print, this is the camera for you.
I would say your point about printing is probably a valid one.
Dustin Abbott and portraits for billboards, I guess haha👌🏻
Dustin, good review.
I'm a Nikon, Fuji AND Pentax K1 shooter. The Pentax K1 in pixel shift mode just may produce an image that is just as sharp (or sharper) than this 50 Megapixel Canon camera. I would just love to see a review from you that compares the Pentax K1 in pixel shift mode to the best full frame cameras that Canon has.
The K1 is interesting. I just might bring one in sometimes.
Do it if you can, Dustin. Please. The reliability of Nikon and Canon-centric reviewers attempting to review contemporary Pentax cameras has a history -- right up to the present -- of being pretty abysmal. Both the camera-lens SYSTEM and the DESIGN PRIORITIES behind Pentax bodies and lenses are quite different compared to those of the market dominating two... which is perfectly logical, when you think about it. To perhaps torture a metaphor a bit, you can't pound a Pentax into a familiar Canon shaped hole without seriously missing the point and losing focus on the Pentax particular virtues.
I, for one, am interested in a K-1 assessment and comparison from someone other than invested Pentaxians, who can be truly objective, rigorously competent, and highly trustworthy -- and I'd probably have to give you the nod for most likely of those with limited Pentax system experience to get it mostly right on all three counts. I'd point to conscientiousness and consistent display of ethics, especially. Seriously.
Recommended, knowledgable & competent Pentax reviewers for reference: • staff reviews at Pentax Forums (much more objective than some might think); • John Riley at ePhotozine; and notably demanding critic, • Lloyd Chambers on Pixel Shift (VERY few really "get" this -- Lloyd smokes the competition for technical knowledge and competence in this matter, within my experience. Beware of others' glib assessments. You can learn a lot out front of the site's paywall.).
Thanks for your consideration, Dustin. -- Pentax K3, Sony A7, Canon M3 system, complemented by Sony A5000. Primes-centric user & K-1 prospective owner. And thanks so much for your crucial role in getting me up to speed on the EOS-M option. Your image galleries are invaluable for their consistency and the technical expertise behind them.
Hey Dustin, I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the upcoming Canon EOS R 75mp to be released next year! Maximum overkill, isn't it?!?
To me that really is overkill. I found the 50 MP of the 5DsR to be more than I practically needed.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thanks for responding so quickly. I watch far too many photog channels here on TH-cam, some of them produce some high quality, informative content. I have to say that you are one of my favourite TH-camrs not only because of your insightful videos, but because you devote some of your precious time engaging with your community. Kudos to you and thank you again for your awesome work!
Dustin, the only issue to be careful about when shooting either mRaw and sRaw is it sort of kills the ability to raise the shadows more than a little bit - otherwise it will introduce horrible magentas or greens - thus if you have a high DR scene where you know you will want to play with the file afterwards, definitely switch to full Raw. I agree about the 5D4, if it comes at 28-30 mpix, it is going to be just about perfect.
+Paul O'Neil definitely on the 5D4. I haven't noticed what you've mentioned about MRAW
Dustin
I have tested it a few times and every time, every Canon camera is the same (5DSR, 5D3, 7D3).
The you use mRaw or sRaw and you really push it, the blacks go green or magenta.
See example below
full raw (original) - flic.kr/p/DeRjQp
full raw - flic.kr/p/DeRiNK
mraw - flic.kr/p/CNCAfg
Looks like someone is really enjoying his new Tamron lenses!
+Ibis Bricks I definitely am. They are a nice match to the 5DsR. Great resolution and great build.
Does the 28 MP crop also reduce the motion blur proportionally ?
It should, as the blur would occupy fewer pixels in width and should seem less noticeable.
tscholent Thank you for a good technical question, i don't want to sound patronising but there is so much hate on social media at the moment
Great review. In 2022 the 5dsr can be purchased for 1500 and a 5d 3 for maybe 800 used, does that change anything in your opinion as to the relative value of these cameras? Or is there some other body in this price range you would like better?
The 5DsR remains an impressive performer in limited conditions, but it is far surpassed by modern high resolution bodies at the margins (higher ISO, autofocus performance, burst rate, etc...)
An application for me as wildlife photographer, using prime tele lenses, is that i have 2 cameras in one. The same reach as a crop camera (with cropping) and i still have the FF wider angle if an animal comes close. So the tele almost is like a zoom with the 5DsR :)
That's very true, though the DOF of field doesn't change when you crop, so you don't get as much separation from the background with this application.
Dustin Abbott Correct, but no different from a 7D2 (although much slower) 😉
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That's not really the case, though. At 400mm, f/5.6 and 20 feet, the depth of field is only 0.16 feet with the 7DII; 0.26 feet (already bigger) with the 5DsR. If you shot at 250mm and cropped to get the same framing as the 7DII your depth of field would be 0.66 feet (over four times as deep). You can't crop and create more depth of field; you can only change the apparent magnification of the subject.
Sure, but when shooting wildlife i can't decide where the animal will be. Im comparing from the the same shooting position/distance.
If i shoot with 7D2 and my 500mm and the animal decides to walk closer (too close), i need to switch cameras and/or lens (and risk the animal noticing me and runs away). But with the 5Ds i still have some margin to play with. Still i have the same reach. Cropping the 5Ds to 20MP will give the "same image" as a 7D2 uncropped.
Hello. I shoot birds in flight mainly from a distance of about 100 meters with a tripod and with hands in the shutter priority mode from 1 \ 1000 to 1\25000 and with all servo serially. I have now canon 6dmark2 and tamron 150-600 f5-6,3 c cnf, with stabilizer. Often there is not enough detail. Should I switch to 5ds or 5dsr? Advise please.
That's a good choice if detail is your priority, although you might be disappointed by the amount of noise you'll get at the higher ISOS required for those shutter speeds.
Now in 2020.... Choosing between this and the Panasonic S1R. No video, landscape, food photography, thoughts?
Unfortunately I'm not familiar enough with Panasonic to comment.
Dustin, did I read your response to another comment correctly that medium raw with 5dsr improves low light performance to comparability of 6d mk ii? Thanks so much.
I didn't directly compare them, so I'm not sure I made that comment.
Great and thorough review (and excellent & clear communication skill, as somebody else commented).
I was surprised you didn't talk about the ready application for macro - I think that's one of the few clear uses for 50Mp (although the detail & cropping advantages were covered).
Now it's at 2019 prices I'm looking at the 5Dsr to pair with my Canon 65mm macro (coming from an old aps-c).
I think that as the price drops it becomes a better option to use as a specialized camera.
Well done ! Many thanks.
hai dustin! can we attach an external microphone while video recording on this camera? will this capture HD movies?
Yes
Dustin, great review and I wonder if you feel this camera is still a top player by today’s market standards? How is the high Megapixel count beneficial to shooting jpegs with this camera? I was shooting with an A7iii and Fuji XT-2 and XT-3, but recently switched over to Canon and I shoot with an EOS R now, for professional studio portraiture, fashion etc, and some video for commercial work and TH-cam etc. I am getting more into shooting events, lifestyle, and more high fashion, and am concerned with the EOS R’s single card slot and lack of detail when cropped. I have been debating the 5d MkIV of the 6D mkII but the high MP opportunity of the 5dsR really has me tempted!! I’d love your thoughts for today’s standard,
Thanks,
Adam
The image quality at low ISOs is still amazing, but there are many, many ways where the camera shows its age compared to modern cameras. If you are shooting with the EOS R, the upcoming EOS R5 may be the high megapixel beast you are looking for...though I suspect it will be pricey.
Dustin Abbott I expect the EOS R5 would probably be the best camera for me but not at the expected price tags people are throwing out there, especially when I can get a brand new 5DS for $1000!
But then again if a 5DS is not the right camera for me then that’s $1000 for the wrong camera!
I’m basically most concerned with having two card slots when I shoot the occasional event which is NOT weddings, And then having the high megapixel count for when I shoot high fashion and the files need to be blown up in to poster size or cropped etc. Mind you I’m still finding my way around the technical aspect of photography.
Just got one 2 weeks ago, hell of a tool! I will only be using it rarely as for me, my crop sensor 600 and SL1 are good enough for me (cropping in on the image that is) so that is one reason I got the sR. Done some sunrise landscapes on this at 400asa (jpg) images are clean and very, very impressive.
When used to it’s strengths, this is an amazing camera
@@DustinAbbottTWI Certainly is yes and agree on some of the bad points you bring up about it too.
Great video Dustin!
May I have your suggestion what do you think in 2018 this Canon 50SR & Canon 5D iii are almost same price, which one is better choice?
I have a canon 40D for my last 10 years. I don't shoot sport and low light is not problem for me.
I would personally go for the 5DsR
I also own the 40D and now I just purchased the 50sr with 17-40mm lens for under $2000 b4 tax
Gday Dustin i was wondering if the 5dsr would suit insect macro photography to resolve as much detail as possible ?
That would be a great application!
Thank you for this helpful video, I'm curious you opinion on this camera performance for astrophotography or should I go with the 5D Mark IV ? I like the idea of the bug pixels for large prints but if it's going to be noisy then that defeats the point.
I would go for the 5D Mark IV, myself. It's a great astro camera.
I'm doing large prints, I have canon mark 2, but always upscaling for print. Now I like the 36mp of D810 and its Low ISO, DR.....but that 50mp would be perfect, however what lenses works well for 50mp? I was looking at 24-70 f2.8 II, 70-200 2.8 II IS, 35mm sigma 1.4 art and tamron 15-30 2.8 VC.....I shoot mostly in studio, but also nature / portraits
All of those lenses should work fine on the 5DsR. It does produce incredible detail.
Another awesome review
Thank you, Ken.
Is it true that the 5DSR is noisier at base ISO (100) and has less dynamic range than its competitors (Pentax K-1, Nikon D850, Sony A7R, etc)?
Less dynamic range, yes. I'm not sure I would say it is noisier.
Hi quick question
I believe to get the best out of the 5Dsr one should have it on a tripod because of the high pixel density
Is this then all so the cace for most crop censor camera?
In an absolute sense, the answer is yes, though this is true for all cameras to some degree. That's why its recommended to keep the shutter speed up as much as possible with either APS-C or high-resolution full frame
Dustin Abbott :-) thank you very much. It's what I kind of guess :-) loving you videos keep them coming
Is any chance you can compare picture quality and dynamic range in between 5DSR and R5? Thanks.
It's unlikely, as I don't have access to a 5DSr
Hello Dustin. The limitation of the centers points at F8 it is only when is use whit teleconverter or it is always? Thanks
I'm not sure if you're understanding what that means. It's a MAXIMUM aperture of F8, which only occurs when using a teleconverter. You can always stop a lens down to a smaller maximum aperture and focus fine (some macro lenses will go to F32) because the camera actually focuses with the aperture opened up all the way and then closes down.
I accidentally skipped a part that I should have written. What I meant to say: When the focus points are limited in F8 only happens with the use of the teleconverter? But you already answered. Thanks Sr.
How's it handle in low light? I'd love to see a low light test with a bunch of canon lenses. I have a 7D mark 2, but would like something that is good in low light and full frame, mainly for landscapes.
+WoodCPhotography At native resolution, it isn't as good as the 6D or 5D3, but down sampled to their resolution it competes nicely.
+Dustin Abbott I'm not sure what to get. I have the 7d and mainly do wildlife and landscapes. I'd love to print bigger pictures of landscapes and the 5ds megapixels are really pulling me in, but the 1dx 2 low light performance is what's making me look at that too. Too many options.
Thanks for yet another great video Dustin! I was actually very close to getting the 5DS-R, jumping from APS-C. I'm gonna get the 6D instead and use some of the money I save on good glass.
Wait a little longer. 6D Mark ii is about to be announced this fall and it is going to an awesome camera.
+mrcassioo I really think the 6D is great value for money. If they give the 6D2 a decent AF system I think it will be a really strong seller.
+Anthony M I don't think the 6D2 will be announced this fall. Expect the 5D4 this fall and the 6D2 next year.
+Anthony M Thanks for the tip! However I don't think the 6D Mark II will be announced as soon as many seem to think. My guess would be that we'll see a 5D Mark IV way before we see the Mark II of the 6D.
I also think that the 6D Mark II will launch way above what you can get a 6D for today, so with that in mind I really consider getting one now and have money over for some decent glass instead. Can always upgrade body again up ahead, and I'm really itching for full frame. ;)
+Dustin Abbott I agree! I hope they improve the AF for the 6D2, but having shot a lot with my brothers 5D2 I know that the AF there is already truckloads better than what I'm used to in my 550D. Since I need both some better glass and wanna move to full frame, the 6D seems to be my way forward for now.
Sadly there doesn't seem to be any good deals right now for kitting the 6D with a decent normal zoom at purchase (atleast not here in Sweden). I have a preference for primes myself, and atm I have a 50 f/1.8 STM, 85 f/1.8 USM and the 35 f/2 IS USM. Being out and about, with only one lens, I constantly find myself wanting one of the others instead so I was hoping to combine my primes with a good zoom when purchasing the 6D. Any suggestions? Was looking at the 24-105/24-70 f/4 L IS, but according to reviews and DXOmark they seem to have problems with sharpness. :/
Im waiting to see what the 5DMKIV brings to the table.
That's fair. I'm doing the same, really.
Hi Dustin, Thanks so much for the great review. I have a 5DMKII and love the cameras High Iso performance in museums and indoors, I shoot landscape, macro and travel and it has been great but I want to get into portraiture and weddings eventually and crave the extra resolution, would you recommend a 5DMK IV or the 5DSR ? Thankyou
That depends on how much resolution you need. The 5DIV is the better camera to me, without question, but it isn't nearly as high resolution.
Dustin Abbott your old video’s are still very helpful. Keep up the excellent work. Kudo’s. Thinking about adding the 5DSr to my workflow.
Hello Dustin, how are you? I have just made a request on this camera to my son who is travelling up there, pls, could you tell me, what about the buffer of the camera? How does work with reading SD or Flash memory cards, which wold you recommend? What do you mean by unloading the buffer?and what about Noise? I have noticed that when hand held, the 7Dmarkii makes quite noisy images, with big long lenses, and I do that quite a lot...and I don't mean with high ISO....Could you explain more about the applications? Other than Adobe I mean...
Thank you so much for another very nice video. Best to you , Daniela, from Uruguay.
CF Cards will provide the best performance - I like the Lexar Professional 1066x. When you have shot a burst of shots, it can take a few seconds for the buffer to write all that information to the card. I suspect you will find noise levels roughly equal to the 7D Mark II, but the advantage is that if you downsample those images to smaller resolution levels in post it will have less noise.
Thank you for the detailed review. How do you reduce the file size to lower the noise though? You mean like choosing the sRaw in camera setting or reducing the file size in post edit?
In Photoshop, you can select Resize Image. That takes the higher number of pixels and compresses them into a smaller area, which results in higher apparent detail at a pixel and less noise.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you. However about if I choose Medium Raw for Small Raw file size in the camera setting, would that helps with noise?
@@PeacePham1991 I found that it does, to some degree.
Nice review....Do you know if the low light performance takes a hit because of the higher 50MP sensor?...I mainly do weddings and need good low light performance....Of course the 5D MK IV is now out, but not sure I get much benefit over my 5D MK III and not sure I want to buy that either....Any info you can share would be great. Thanks.
Philip
+Uptown Wedding Photography NJ While I haven't used the 5DIV yes, both the specs and some early reports from places like DP Review make it seem that the new 5DIV will be the low light king. The 5DsR does a bit better than you might think, though, particularly if you down sample (reduce the image size) in post processing. That makes the noise less evident and actually produces cleaner, more detailed results than what your 5D3 can...and with much less colour banding in the shadows.
I will need to check DP's review (thanks for the heads up) and also see how the 5DIV performs in low light now that people can test it in the field. I'd love to test both the 5DIV and 5DsR at a wedding or two, but of course there's no way for me to do that so I'll depend on other people's reviews....Thanks for the reply. Appreciated.
Philip
@@DustinAbbottTWI Old thread, I know! But, in regards to to down sampling for improved low light performance from this body- would shooting MRAW reduce high ISO noise vs LRAW? Thanks!
Is digital cameras day coming to an end? Is the mirrorless camera the new kid on the block? Some are saying that it is the future, what do you think?
I don't think so. I'm without a mirrorless body at the moment as they all seem to have fatal flaws. At this stage we've also seen that full frame mirrorless lenses (think Sony G-Master) are just as big as their DSLR counterparts, which mitigates the size value of mirrorless. I still view mirrorless as a companion to "serious" gear for when you want a lighter option that still gives good image quality, but not as a replacement for DSLRs.
Thank you for your time, so helpful! I'm a very beginner was really considering it before I've heard you! Thank you, things are so clear now! Dustin please be so kind to suggest a best camera for beginner, I'm really looking into canon to use it mostly for portrait and landscape. Thank you so much again!!
What is your budget?
+Dustin Abbott I saved up 5K for it I really want it to become a part of my life being favorite hobby. I picked 50 mm f/1.2 L and 16-35 f/2.8 L cannon lenses thinking one is for portrait and one is for landscaping. But I'm lost in all the information about camera bodies it so much to choose from for beginner is really confusing. Thank you again for finding a moment to respond to me, I so appreciate it! Your language is so beautiful, thank you for explaining it all in such a simple way. So I was really considering 5 ds before I heard you... I realized as you had mentioned most expensive cameras are not necessarily the best and I simply won't know what to do with all the features and 50 mp resolution of 5d.. I really liked everything you had said about 6d but then you kept mentioning you are planning to upgrade. Your suggestion would make a world to me, thank you again for you time and work:) hugs!
Neli Kellough
Right now the 5D3 is often available at a strong discount, and the 6D would probably be a good bridge camera to learn on. If I were you I would buy a used 6D and save my money for the 5D4 as your next upgrade. I suspect that it will be a very strong camera. The 5DsR is a great camera, but I don't know if it is really a "learner's" camera. It seems like overkill for that.
+Dustin Abbott thank you so much!!
How is your experience with 50 MP and handhold shots? There is a old rule that says, divide your focal length by 100 and it gives you your minimum handhold time, a photo with a 50 mm lens will be good and sharp with 1/50 of a second. It depends off course on the camera model, a small camera is not so easy to hold steady then a average DLSR and so on. But I still use this guideline and it works for me. But I am wondering if you could tell the difference.
+Leo Jonkers I tried keeping the shutter speed up a bit higher but didn't have a huge issue myself.
Tnx Dustin.
Hello Leo, I am using the 5DRs quite often, mostly hand held, I would add that it is important to work with low light lenses, (2.8 and bellow) Till now my experience has benn highly possitive!
Tnx Daniela! Still thinking buying a 5DR (much cheaper then the 5DRs) or just wait a while and buy a secondhand one. I like also low light lenses and use them quit open. Even on my beloved 6D.
Hello Leo, I don't know where do you live, but I got mine at 42nd street, in NY, my son brought it down for me, (to Uruguay) and my xp with them was really great. I bought an offer online, while they also sell gray market which is good for people not living in the USA. Just wait a bit, and you'll see that there are special offers during the year for the 5Drs. Soon travelling to Iceland I will make all the possible tests there, even what goes on with a constant changing weather!!! :) Ahh b4 I forget, my 5DRs is working wonderfully well with tamron 90mm and tamron 85mm and canon 40mm, the 7Dmark ii is with my sigma 150-600, a lens that I don't recommend for places with too much humidity like mine! Cheers and enjoy!
One detail, that's nice, is that the price has gone quite down! I got mine from 42street Photo, for 3.100, /not the gray line/ , so I will let you know when tested how it worked!
That's a good price, for sure. This is a lot of camera for that kind of money.
Daniela how was 42nd ST Camera? Is your Camera still working well?
Thanks Dustin ;-)
You're welcome
Hi I have questions I have t6i 24 mp and I am not professional but I want to take pitcher for me and my friend do you think is vary good the picture I want it in good views and people do you think 50 mp is good to buy
The image quality from the 5DsR is very good. Only you can decide if that many megapixels is necessary for you.
Dustin Abbott I just want vary clear picture for people and which lens is good for people and view and just people
Dustin Abbott or if you now any Canon or Nikon is good for people and view for mountain and beach and forest
Would you recommend this for event photography? I need to replace my 5D3(I don’t shoot above iso 3200)
I don't think it is the best event camera because of the ISO performance and unnecessarily large file size for that application. The 5D Mark IV or EOS R5 are probably better options.
Dustin Abbott thank you!!! I use the EOS R as my primary camera and 5D3 as backup I occasionally use the 53 but when I do use it do use it the quality does not come close to my R currently the 5DS is about $1000 you on eBay so I was thinking about replacing with my 5D3
I think it might be a nice upgrade of your 5D3, but I would use it more for when you need high resolution (landscapes, etc...)
Dustin Abbott ya I agree, thank you
What about this complaint about blurr if any slightl movement ? Is that exaggerated?
With higher resolution bodies, motion blur is more obvious for the simple reason that the blur occupies more pixels. Modern cameras often help solve this with in body image stabilization. I found that using lenses with IS helped when I tested the 5DsR
@@DustinAbbottTWI what is your main camera body that you rely on for consistent results for beauty and fashion?
I primarily use the Sony Alpha 1 and Canon EOS R5, myself.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Fancy !!
Great review Dustin. A future review request, Laowa 105mm f/2 STF.
Already done - check my channel.
No one seems to answer this but if anyone can confirm this? Due to the sensor size combined with the higher megapixels, is it noisy at iso 400?
That depends on your standard. It's noisier than many lower resolution bodies.
Dustin Abbott Say a 5d3 on iso 400? I feel like the 5d4 would be a better choice.
I liked the 5DIV better, myself, though the 5DsR can produce the most detailed images of any Canon camera yet.
Do you have clients that need this amount of resolution now you have the Sony 7RIII?
Not really. Few of them know the difference. I'm not shooting billboards.
I don't get what everyone is emphasizing about this camera on the vibration sensitivity etc from the large amount of megapixels. It's no differend from say the 7D Mark II or 70D. APS-C with 20 MP has similar pixel size/density as a FF with 50 MP.
And regarding the noise i would certainly not say it's worse than 5D Mark III if looking at the complete image, but of course it will be more visible on pixel to pixel level since in that comparison the 5DsR image will be more zoomed in and contain more detail. Also here it is similar to 7D2/70D on pixel to pixel level.
Pixel dense sensors definitely show more motion blur. That's a fact. It's not a deal breaker, but you do have to be aware of that, and it's why lenses with good IS are very beneficial with something like the 5DsR.
Dustin Abbott i agree. Not saying you are incorrect. Im just saying it's nothing unique to 5Ds (well ok - if considering only FF cameras) . Its no different to a crop camera with 20 MP, although i never heard anyone mention this for these kinds of cameras. But i guess it's better to mention it than not, only its not unique to this camera ☺️
Another question if I could sir. I currently shoot with a Samsung NX1 28mp with Rokinon primes would the 5dsr with same quality glass give me better clarity and resolution. Many thanks.
I can't speak for the NX1 as I haven't used it, but I can certainly attest that you will great images with incredible resolution from the 5DsR.
ok thank you for your time and your great reviews. By the way I blame you for putting on this path after watching your review of the 5dsr and Sigma 24-35 F2 . Looking forward to when you get your hands on the new Sigma 85mm F1.2 art
simontramper
I've note heard of the Sigma 85mm announcement. Are you sure you aren't thinking of the newly announced Samyang 85mm f/12?
I know about the Samyang pretty sure the about the Sigma with a new lens configuration
simontramper
That may be, but I have not heard of it announced as of yet.
thank you sir it has been a great review from u as always..
by the way the type of photography i do is perfectly suited by 6D Mark 2 but iam kinda confused to spend money on this one or not to have more options in bag but at the same time it scares me because i dont want to lose some aspects of wildlife nature and sports photography...
I would save my money and invest in the upcoming Canon R5. It seems to be the camera that solves all these issues.
I would pick A7rii because of the small size and because it has newer technology
Fair enough
So say your 5d3 breaks and the warranty is over.
Do you get the 5dsr or a new 5d3 if you need a new camera now.
Is the 5D3 enough for your needs.
If it is. Then why spend/waste more money. 1 dont need the latest camera unless necessary..
I still say that comes down to whether you feel you need more resolution.
If you are spending a large sum of money I prefer spending it on the better thing.
From the reviews I'm getting the impression that the 5ds/r is better than the 5d3 if your main use is photography.
jeffry de meyer
I think that is safe to say. The 5D3 is the better video rig, and is a slightly better sports camera, but otherwise...
To my knowledge that one doesn't exist
what camera do you shoot with now?
I currently use the Canon 5D Mark IV, Sony a7RIII and a6500, and the Fuji X-T3. I also have a Canon 80D that I use for APS-C reviews.
Any moire issues in your portraits?
Not really that I remember. You might see them with textures on certain shirts, for example, but I don't remember that being a huge issue.
I wish I didn't see this review now I really don't know which I should go for 5Dsr or wait for 5D mark IV
Decisions, decisions. The sky high price of the 5D IV if you are anywhere but the US might help...
right now i'm leaning more towards the 5D IV, great review btw keep it up !
I don't understand why you use/test this camera with a Tamron lens, while you previously tested and used the Zeiss lenses that are more suited to be used on this type of camera!!?
+Patrick GEVAERT I actually used a variety of lenses on the 5DSR (around 10). I am limited, however to the lenses I actually have on hand when I do a test. At the time I didn't own any Zeiss lenses, so I didn't have them to test. I did use a number of Canon L-series lens us as well during the test period. The two Tamron lenses that I used are among the highest resolving lenses in their class, however, plus they have image stabilization, which is very important with a high-resolution body like this
Patrick GEVAERT The Tamron lenses are fab!
What lens is on there? Thanks.
Tamron 45mm F1.8 VC
compare to d810 For "Dynamic Range" and Noise Performance 5dsr Better Than D810...?
I don't think so.
Fits my lenses better
Vedant Kulkarni no
Dustin sir 5Dsr Is a Better For a Landscape,Low lights and Street Photography...?
Compared to what, exactly?
I got a Canon PRO-4000 printer... it's a 44" Wide High Quality printer... I need ALL the pixels.
For sure - these days you are a very RARE photographer, though.
Is the 28mp setting still full frame and raw?
+Captain Zouave it definitely is...and that's what makes it so useful.
+Daniel Han (aka Eternal Torture) Well then it's not full frame anymore. Crop like an APSC? And your cropping reference means FL changes.
Captain Zouave
It isn't a crop mode. It is a resolution choice. The 5DsR also offers crop modes, which I detail in my written review here: bit.ly/2a7Sgc4
Thats how I interpreted your original comment, but the other response (Han) I got was obviously misinformation {"just like cropping" sounded wrong).
+Daniel Han (aka Eternal Torture)
The D810 is not downsampling...it's a native 36mp sensor.
And since some comments here claim a decrease in IQ the 5D3 is unfortunately neither downsampling. It's not a full read-out. There obviously is pixel binning going on. In a bayer sensor this leads typically to a decrease in IQ (apart from the lower resolution). The only exception is Phase One with their clever sensor+ method.
Quel est le prix de canon eos 5Dsr
That depends on your market.
I did a shoot for Ralph Lauren and they would not accept anything < 50mp .......
Fashion photography is one of the few areas where they'll want really high resolution.
Looking at this after having seen Dustin's recent R5 review you may wonder: Why were none of the con's mentioned here valid when reviewing the R5? Which instead just gets praised for all those nice pixels and all that detail, having M-raw etc? LOL!
Because the R5 actually solves many of the shortcomings here. Much better ISO performance, the ability to use CRAW to get reduced file sizes, and much better data rates (buffer depth, burst rate, etc...)
@@DustinAbbottTWI Yes - but not really answers the key question in your above video "Do you need 50 MPIX". 5DS/R "probably not" - R5 "bring them on!". Anyway, we all learn as we go. Looking forward to the 5RS.
The price dropped. It is a bargain now. What a fantastic camera for 1400 bucks!
It is.
yes I do.
:D
If you do, you do. Enjoy!
Was kind of a joke comment, but thank you ;). I very much appreciate your work. I am always checking your reviews along with benchmark websites even when I can't upgrade anything as a stundent... But already very happy to have a 5d mkII with full frame and a bunch of lenses. I remember buying the 35 f2 IS from canon after seeing one of your review actually. Again, so glad to see you still enjoy doing those videos for quit some time now. I ll be looking for your review on the next 5dsr mark II or mirrorless equivalent for sure. Have a good time.
Hi! Great video!!!
Any good advice on a 50 mm for a Canon 5dsr? I own a 50 mm ultrasonic, not interested of the L-lens version, to expensive, but anything else is of interest.
I actually found the Tamron 45mm F1.8 VC really nice on the 5DsR.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you Dustin! Hey, any ideas how to make a 60 mm lens? Is there a adapter or a ring one can use with a 50 mm lens?
I'm not aware of any full frame 60mm option for Canon.
Dustin Abbott Yeah not me either. I’m in to minimal street and architectural photography, and feel a 50 mm, which I use a lot, is a bit to wide in some occasions. It doesn’t always meet my eye. So I’d like to try a new angle, I’m thinking 60-65 mm. Anywho, thanks. I’ll see what I can come up with. A possible solution would be the L-lens 24-70, but I mm afraid It doesn’t reach the same quality as a fixed lens. Correct me if I’m wrong however.
The Canon 24-70L II is fantastically sharp, though the Tamron 24-70 G2 might be a better choice as it is nearly as sharp but has an excellent image stabilizer, which is important with a high resolution body like yours.
good
Using 5dsR with 24-70 f4 best imo ;)
24-70 2.8 II is better :)
Ken! You again! (;
Sigma 24-105 hmmm?
I think Canon said this is a studio camera.
I think that is selling it short, personally. It is a more versatile camera than you might examine.
I'm going off of all the other reviewers including yours, that if you have to use a tripod and cant use it in low light, it cant be used in any event type situation... So basically Landscape and Studio work and the likes are it's best fit... I think I even heard the Canon rep say its NOT a replacement for the 5DM3, that they purposely made it for studio super hi res to compete with Medium Format shooters...
Vaughn Felix
Most 5DsR users would not agree with that statement. I didn't hardly use it on a tripod at all, and shot all different kinds of things with it (including events).
Im really struggling to get the 5ds or the mark 4.... the only thing I care about is image quality and the ability to make large prints..... what do you think?
Vaughn Felix
Well if making large prints is your goal, it would be hard to top the 5Ds or 5DsR. In terms of absolute resolution they still dominate the new 5D4.
Do you need a digital camera? You can shoot fine with an old film camera. See, it's not so much a question of whether you NEED a 50mp camera. It's enough that you just WANT one.
You should change the heading of this video to : Do I need 50 Megapixels ;-)
Not sure I understand, though I'm interpreting this to say that the title is a subjective observation that is true to me and not to you. I think that is covered by posing it as a question rather than a definitive statement.
No I don’t need 50mp,,,, I need 100.
Fair enough, though for what application? I own a 50MP camera along with a 45MP camera, and I've yet to see an application where I felt the resolution on those cameras was insufficient.
😒
Send me one lol
+DoMy JAY Good luck with that!
Haha D850 smash this Camera ups n down ....9 FPS and 51 buffer
Hmm, not comparing the same generations of cameras, though I am impressed with the specs of the D850. Hopefully it will live up to the spec list.
I'm afraid that won't happen. I don't have time or money to add another camera system.
Dustin, how about the dynamic range on 5dsr compare to 5dmk3 or 4? TQ
I didn't see much of a difference between the 5D3 and the 5DsR, but the 5DIV is noticeably better.
TQ so much for the info, & all of your videos really nice TQ
Dustin, regarding noise , did you see such a difference between the 5Dsr and 5DIV ? Thank you!