Once you identify the spine where do you put it in relation to the club face... some say 12:00 and some say 3:00... 12:00 being the top of the shaft at address.... what’s your opinion and why
Good question, I don't look for a spine a long as i get nice straight flo line on graphite shafts. On steel irons i would check the spine and not do the flo test. I think 12 o clock to stop the club drooping over while swinging. It will stablise your lie angle. Good idea for next video 👍👍👍
So I read all of the show notes but the question about how to set the shaft in the clubhead after Flo test has not been answered. Once the line is straight up and down is the top of the shaft in the vice positioned at 12 o'clock in the driver head?
Hi Intrepid golfers, once you establish the flow line, does one put that flow line facing the club face or 180* facing the opposite way of the club face? Also I'm assuming one can do this with the grip on the shaft yes? You know, I'm thinking it really doesn't matter which way one installs the shaft as long as the flow line is in line withe club face LOL please verify. Thanks for your help!
3 o'clock or 9 o'clock makes more sense to me since clubhead will be impacting the ball from a 90 degree angle. I know nothing about this, it just seems more logical. Also, the drill chuck is symmetrical and a club head is not. That also give my feeble mind problems. I would think to be sure, you need to do this with the clubhead affixed some way to the shaft. Just my thoughts. Thanks
What is the process when aligning the tip adapter? Some adapters have a ‘dot’ - for instance - as the reference. Is the dot or reference mark also along the flo line.
The dots on 'most' adapters are only there for reference markings on the clubhead and don't have anything to do with FLO. Manufacturers don't mess around with FLO but Tour Vans sure do.
Once you have determined the best position to produce a vertical straight line if you were to twang it horizontally would it produce a straight horizontal line also?
Hi can I ask. I do understand the flo and the spine thing. What I can’t understand is how can it make that much of a difference when nearly every club maker these days make there drivers and most woods with an a adjustable adapter for loft and open and closed faces. So how does spineing or flowing the shaft make that much difference. Have you any info on this.
Good question Rodney, At set up flo would be done at square position. If the customer needed the face opened or closed it can be checked and adjusted again. Graphite shafts are becoming better and better in saying that though I still like to check mine. 👍👍👍
@@IntrepidGolfers You want the shaft to load and unload in the same fashion each time at impact. This imparts consistency through the bag. Otherwise you can expect inconsistent hits -you want to eliminate further reasons for poor strikes. Hope this helps
I would think this is only beneficial prior to a grip being put on the shaft. Also it would have to set within the degree of a persons swing tendencies to be the most beneficial. For example a person with a tendency of having a 3 degree closed face with a 1.5 degree into out path would have to figure the difference in order to set the grip on the shaft so this flo would be the most beneficial to that persons swing. Theres alot of mathematics that goes into this if you're trying to get the most benefit out of the flo test.
My preference would be to have the shaft flat line with no maniplation for swing tendencies. If i have a closed face or open face, I would want to know that, it's my fault not the shaft set up. Then I will know what steps to take to improve. Golf is hard enough without fighting our equipment or adding another variable.
Clubs with a lot of loft mainly irons where lie angles are important, you need to put the spine in the 12 o clock position. The spine being the stiffest part of the shaft and keeping it at 12 will reduce club droop in the swing and will help stabilize the lie angle. Woods have less loft and lighter heads so I prefer to use FLO method.
Flo and SST Puring are a waste of time and money why would you worry about the Shaft oscillating " loading & unloading" all over the place during the numerous times it's doing it during the test when the golf shaft only oscillates once during the golf swing atleast I've only seen someone load and unload the golf shaft 1 time during the swing so why would use a tool that measures a shaft oscillating numerous times rather then measure the only important oscillation which is the very 1st time and that's because in any position the Shaft is in the first oscillation always goes straight up and down the direction it is pulled this has been proven in a controlled test recorded on a slow motion camera go to the mobile club makers TH-cam to bust this myth and think about it why wouldnt shaft companies have there shafts spine, flo or sst pured straight from the factory if it was so important that there shafts wouldn't perform to the performance that they should why put all that time and money developing and manufacturing then not take the time to flo or pure them?
In my opinion, the first oscillation is the LEAST likely to be accurate since the club is being "twanged" by hand, with no guarantee you've started it vertically. Over time, cycles, the club should settle into its "natural" oscillation pattern.
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Great informative video thanks
Once you identify the spine where do you put it in relation to the club face... some say 12:00 and some say 3:00... 12:00 being the top of the shaft at address.... what’s your opinion and why
Good question, I don't look for a spine a long as i get nice straight flo line on graphite shafts. On steel irons i would check the spine and not do the flo test. I think 12 o clock to stop the club drooping over while swinging. It will stablise your lie angle. Good idea for next video 👍👍👍
So I read all of the show notes but the question about how to set the shaft in the clubhead after Flo test has not been answered. Once the line is straight up and down is the top of the shaft in the vice positioned at 12 o'clock in the driver head?
th-cam.com/video/6FQQzpRRVaQ/w-d-xo.html
Part 2
@@IntrepidGolfers hi.. i have watched the part 2.. but just to make sure, the position of the shaft for the driver head is at 9 oclock right?
Hi Intrepid golfers, once you establish the flow line, does one put that flow line facing the club face or 180* facing the opposite way of the club face? Also I'm assuming one can do this with the grip on the shaft yes? You know, I'm thinking it really doesn't matter which way one installs the shaft as long as the flow line is in line withe club face LOL please verify. Thanks for your help!
The Flo must be done with the grip off for accuracy. Also, the Flo line should be perpendicular to the club face when installed.
what would be the club head position in relation to oscillation?
3 o'clock or 9 o'clock makes more sense to me since clubhead will be impacting the ball from a 90 degree angle. I know nothing about this, it just seems more logical. Also, the drill chuck is symmetrical and a club head is not. That also give my feeble mind problems. I would think to be sure, you need to do this with the clubhead affixed some way to the shaft. Just my thoughts. Thanks
by the way, good video
What is the process when aligning the tip adapter? Some adapters have a ‘dot’ - for instance - as the reference. Is the dot or reference mark also along the flo line.
The dots on 'most' adapters are only there for reference markings on the clubhead and don't have anything to do with FLO. Manufacturers don't mess around with FLO but Tour Vans sure do.
Once you have determined the best position to produce a vertical straight line if you were to twang it horizontally would it produce a straight horizontal line also?
Not necessarily and probably unlikely. Which is why you want to install the line of FLO in the 3:00 - 9:00 O'Clock orientation.
Hi can I ask. I do understand the flo and the spine thing. What I can’t understand is how can it make that much of a difference when nearly every club maker these days make there drivers and most woods with an a adjustable adapter for loft and open and closed faces. So how does spineing or flowing the shaft make that much difference. Have you any info on this.
Good question Rodney, At set up flo would be done at square position. If the customer needed the face opened or closed it can be checked and adjusted again. Graphite shafts are becoming better and better in saying that though I still like to check mine. 👍👍👍
Hi. Thanks for getting back to me. Much appreciated.
@@IntrepidGolfers You want the shaft to load and unload in the same fashion each time at impact. This imparts consistency through the bag. Otherwise you can expect inconsistent hits -you want to eliminate further reasons for poor strikes. Hope this helps
I would think this is only beneficial prior to a grip being put on the shaft. Also it would have to set within the degree of a persons swing tendencies to be the most beneficial. For example a person with a tendency of having a 3 degree closed face with a 1.5 degree into out path would have to figure the difference in order to set the grip on the shaft so this flo would be the most beneficial to that persons swing. Theres alot of mathematics that goes into this if you're trying to get the most benefit out of the flo test.
My preference would be to have the shaft flat line with no maniplation for swing tendencies. If i have a closed face or open face, I would want to know that, it's my fault not the shaft set up. Then I will know what steps to take to improve. Golf is hard enough without fighting our equipment or adding another variable.
Do you use the marked spine @ 12 o’clock or 9 o’clock
Clubs with a lot of loft mainly irons where lie angles are important, you need to put the spine in the 12 o clock position. The spine being the stiffest part of the shaft and keeping it at 12 will reduce club droop in the swing and will help stabilize the lie angle. Woods have less loft and lighter heads so I prefer to use FLO method.
I’m not sure why I’ve never seen this before. …. Thanks.
I suppose it depends on the level of detail you want to go into and the quality of the graphite shaft you are using.
@@IntrepidGolfers it was a good video. I looked at a few more videos and they all did the same as you.
Flo and SST Puring are a waste of time and money why would you worry about the Shaft oscillating " loading & unloading" all over the place during the numerous times it's doing it during the test when the golf shaft only oscillates once during the golf swing atleast I've only seen someone load and unload the golf shaft 1 time during the swing so why would use a tool that measures a shaft oscillating numerous times rather then measure the only important oscillation which is the very 1st time and that's because in any position the Shaft is in the first oscillation always goes straight up and down the direction it is pulled this has been proven in a controlled test recorded on a slow motion camera go to the mobile club makers TH-cam to bust this myth and think about it why wouldnt shaft companies have there shafts spine, flo or sst pured straight from the factory if it was so important that there shafts wouldn't perform to the performance that they should why put all that time and money developing and manufacturing then not take the time to flo or pure them?
You definitely get the award for the worlds longest question.🍺
In my opinion, the first oscillation is the LEAST likely to be accurate since the club is being "twanged" by hand, with no guarantee you've started it vertically. Over time, cycles, the club should settle into its "natural" oscillation pattern.