He isn't testing it for glass breaking, it's a tactical folde rin the black class, which means a fighting blade for self defense and combat, and a pommel strike is what he is testing, as in a pommel strike to the skull.
raphael beinhauer fighting it may seem corny but it's real especially with a knife like the barrage and Griptilian which are considered tactical folders being able to Palm a strike with a knife is a major advantage for defensive or offensive knife
Weird, just found this video and started slamming my newer Bugout against some hard wood just like this and the lock did not disengage one time after around 30 pommel strikes. Wonder if they fixed it or something!
Old comment but I'm having trouble thinking of a lock without some sort of spring. :P Even a frame lock has a spring in it's construction (flat spring, but still - that's what keeps any locking mechanism "automatic").
@@BaritoneMike You would be correct on some of those constructions. My original comment was directed to the springs that axis lock uses or a button lock.
I came across this because I'm new to Benchmade and have two griptilian 551. I tried the exact same thing you did but wore gloves and hit much harder with no failure. I wonder if Benchmade improved on the lock some how don't know but love using the griptilian.
Thumbs up for this test. Would not have expected the result. Relly thought the cause in the Vininul vid was disengaging by the sliding gloved hand. I am not sure what the mechanics are behind this failure. Try to figure that out. Anyway, it does not change my opinion as well on the axis lock in general. I mean, when do you use the "pommel-strike" with an open knife? At least, i don't. Tx for sharing this great testing.
K.R.Studio with a knife like the barrage and the Griptilian marketed as tactical folders a pommel strike is a major advantage for a defensive or offensive knife design it matters
Thanks for sharing this test. Alot of people I feel Misinterpret why I test knives and other tools they way I do. My "extreme" testing is typically done at the end of a video after using the tool as intended. To me spine whacks, downward guard strikes, and now pommel strikes represent direct shock or stress on a locking mechanism. They are necessarily designed to be taken as a literal test. 90% of people will do nothing more with there folders than open packages or mail or even cut straps off a crate and I get it. Most people think it's dumb. But what about that weird off chance your out somewhere and something very unexpected happens where you only have your folder on you and you have to do something pretty unusual with it...... Can you Knife handle that unless type of stress? Maybe, Maybe not.... However I want all the I carry in my EDC. To pass my weird tests. Thanks for sharing this video.
I think that this is important information and I for one am glad you tested and posted the video, but for the way I use a knife, I can't ever see it becoming an issue. I don't use knives as hammers and I don't buy knives with glass breakers or pommel strikers but for some folks this could be very important to know.
Good video. Man those Axis locks are so polarizing. Such amazing performance for EDC and playfulness comes at a cost of unreliability with omega spring failures and now this. A bit disappointing but you wouldn't take your Porsche off-roading either unless you want to break it.
The springs they use for the axis lock is chincy and cheap. Broke mine after a little over 2 years of carry but very little actual use. Bought it direct from Benchmade...never again.
Why is he smacking the knife when open to break glass? Amd need to verify if the knifes is real or fake also , amd the lock stop will break because it’s only held by screws .
cold steel recon 1 or voyager SLAY benchmade especially with the new steel CS is using. i just wish they weren't made in taiwan :-/ also the axis lock is WAAAAAYYYYY TOO EASY to disengage if you train knife fighting, it's scary actually.
I do not fully trust the lock mechanism of *ANY* folding knife. Benchmade has been years overdue to greatly improved the Axis lock. The locking folding knife I most trust in actual use is the under ten dollar Cold Steel Kudu.
It would be interesting to see this done with a nicer SOG with the ARC lock, since it has that arced curve, it shouldn't disengage from a straight down movement. Bigtime fail from benchmade, but maybe not an issue for many.
How often would you actually find yourself using a pommel strike on a folder with the blade out? Especially on a HARD surface, might I add... Something like this would NEVER be a realistic deal-breaker for me. Let's say if you actually wanted to break glass or such with the butt of the knife, make sure the blade is closed. Simple. Let's say if you were in a survival situation and you wanted to use a pommel strike... Well... Why would you? You have a sharp ass piece of steel, let's use that instead! All in all, this lock is secure for all intents and purposes, just don't abuse the fucking thing.
Or engineer a locking mechanism that is not susceptible to reality. Simple. And when something fails, make it stronger or ditch the design, and don't bank on it like Benchmade does.
When would you ever use a pommel strike against a hard surface? I don't know can't think of any, oh yeah that's right, the skull, the literal target that you are supposed to aim for with a pommel strike. I wouldn't mind or comment if this were a blue class EDC, but Benchmade literally sell them as black class tactical knives, aimed towards combat situations.
I think you're lying, I just tested my Benchmade which is a new 2020 model black class, and it failed the test right away. Then I called my buddy up who collects Benchmades and he said they all fail the pommel whack test.
@@RxCGaming Do you know what's different about he griptillian Axis, than the rest of the axis locks? I can't find anything which says it's built differently. The only Black class knife that says it's constructed different is the Adamas as far as I can see.
That's good does the bailout have a titanium lockzbar like in the bugout the lighter weight lock-bar would have much less momentum working on the Omega spring during impact that's an interesting attribute
During a combat/SD situation? are you supposed to ask your attacker nicely to let you close your knife before you deliver a pommel strike while he is grappling you. 'd understand if this was a blue class EDC situation, but we are talking black class tactical situation here, you know what benchmade sell them as.
Dale Carpenter For sure the triad lock wouldn't fail like this. I don't plan on using any of my Benchmade's as a pommel with the blade open, but it's good to know it shouldn't be attempted.
Now, I haven’t read any other posts, so if I’m questioning the obvious, sorry. It seems counterintuitive to use the glass breaker with the blade deployed. I don’t see how that’s a design failure as I’m sure it’s not designed to work that way. Common sense I guess isn’t common.
michael meissner a pommel strike is he very is a effective defensive or offense option when you're talking about tactical cutlery the 810 contego and the 583 barrage are marketed as tactical folders to law enforcement and the military the major majority of people that carry them are civilians however if someone did ever have to use the knife in a fight the pommel strike is a negated action for some of these axis lock designs that glass Breakers not just for breaking glass
@@IndianaJoe0321 Why would you be engaging somebody with your blade closed that puzzles me way more. If you intend to use a black class tactical folder (Benchmades words not mine) then surely you would deploy the ACTUAL blade first right? right?
My Contego has no glass breaker. I would not use it anyway, whether on glass or steel. I have mine for EDC, so the locking mechanism working is critical, should the need arise for self defense. AXIS are among the strongest in this regards, as has been proven time and again.
I just pommel striked every knife I own on the floor, every single lock type passed the test, except my Benchmade axis lock lol. Liner locks, compression locks, frame locks, back locks, even my damn slipjoins stayed open, axis locked failed instantly. Seems the axis lock is can't tolerate downwards impact force.
@@willieboy3011 Tactical combat knife, a pommel strike to the head in grappling distance is what is being tested here, not glass breaking or smashing windows.
@@londiniumarmoury7037 I guess a head strike with the butt of the knife is possible in a fight. I have used a knife in a self defense encounter, so I take the locking seriously. Mine failed, and I am lucky to be alive. I was using the blade end of the knife. But he would likely not be alive if the blade lock had not failed.
@@londiniumarmoury7037 From the knife lock testing standpoint, a pommel strike failure would not be good. I have done the blade tap, which is far harder on the lock than the pommel strike. Both my Benchmade Contego AXIS locks held perfectly, as expected. My personal experience is Benchmade AXIS locks are reliable, and they stand behind their products. My only failure is a high priced Zero Tolerance 0393. This liner lock fails miserably. Hence, I never carry it.
Chris Zimmer a pommel strike is a major advantage in a tactical folding knife design these knives are marketed for everyday use as well defensive or offensive purpose especially a knife like the barrage marketed heavily to police and military
Actually most edc knives are not made for defense purposes. Like i said wrong tool for the job. A fixed blade has no chance of failure in intense sitiations.
I will say that the axis lock is designed for quick deployment & closing. Personally, if I was looking to use a knife for tactical it wouldn't be a knife with a lock system designed for convenience. My issue here is that your perception of tactical marketing justifies your flawed test and result of a lock failure. That logic is backwards.
Benchmade sell these knives as tactical knives, in the black class, marketed towards military and self defense situations. Then somebody tests them for tactical use with a pommel strike, which is a valid impact technique in grappling distance. Then it fails an impact test. Seems standard to me, not backwards at all, if anything it's actually very helpful information for people, to know what the knife cannot do, and it might even save a life or 2, and prevent people from trying to pommel strike with a black class benchmade when it's deployed.
7 months, did you just come out of a coma? I am saying it's backwards to think just bc it's marketed as tactical, it shouldn't fail. 'Black class' and 'tactical' is marketing, it means nothing. Axis is for convenience, not tactical (no matter what benchmade says) that's why it fails your test.
@@christophwilhelm6431 So if catagory, class and targeted use are just marketing and not actual indicators of intended use. Then utility and blue class should also in your opinion just be marketing as well right. So we shouldn't expect their blue class utility blades to stand up to EDC utility tasks. If you market something as a tool for a job, then it should hold up to eveything expected in that role. If you buy a shovel for digging holes and it breaks because the shaft is made of balsa wood, or buy a baseball bat made out of MDF and it breaks when batting, then a customer comes along and says "My baseball bat broke when hitting a baseball" You will come out and say "No it's just marketing, don't actually expect them to be fit for baseball training," What about any other tool sold to tradesmen? If I buy a carpentry tool for carving hardwood, I expect it to be made of hard steel with high HRC, if they give me some mild steel and it rolls everytime I carve some Oak, I will have a complaint. What's backwards is you, making excuses for a company that sells tools for a specific use, that don't hold up to said role. And a coma? do you think everybody reads your comment the second you post it, or that once you post it, it's sealed in an untouchable vault archived, never to be refuted.
You think you are refuting me? LOL. Your perception I am making excuses for benchmade is waaaay off. Is it impossible to use a 'tactical' knife for EDC? How about reversed? The lock type is what makes it unsuitable for tactical use. I like the Axis, for ease of use;the ability to use and put away quickly. I would use a more stable lock when hard use or SD in the situation. Yes, knife companies use categories to sell knives. It's up to you to decide how valid they are.
@@christophwilhelm6431 Yes so everything we are saying is true, Benchmade Black class knives are not fit for tactical use. It's up tot he user, but the company still has responsibility to market things honestly, you wouldn't tolerate it from a body armour company would you, if they rate their vest as NIJ2 and it fails to stop the round specified, you can't just turn around tot he customer and say "Well you should have tested the vest yourself" No we expect basic standards, especially when you are selling something to defend your life with. What even is your point, because you are agreeing with us, you agree that these black class knives are not fit for tactical use. So your problem is we are pointing out Benchmade is lying to sell knives?
Where is this, “you use the glass breaker with da blade closed, everybuddy no dat,” shit come from? Axis is touted as one of the most secure and effective locks available. EVERY SINGLE lock out there can handle what this guy is doing, EXCEPT BENCHMADES ULTRA SUPA DUPA WW2 BAd GuiSe LOCK. Anyone making excuses for this tomfoolery need a good look in the mirror (clean it first) and to be honest with they-selves. The Chinese copies of these have a stronger lock (that can be used blade opened). Wtf?! This is the reason people would rather buy from fucking Chyna than the US. Instead of making a better product they choose to leave the problems as is and call you the asshole for “not using the product correctly.” Do better guys, all of us. Or pretty soon we’ll be thanking Chinese soldiers for 5 food rations a week (WITH NO CHOCOLATE).
This test is a no brainer u ever hear on every action has a opposite reaction? slam something down on a spring the spring WILL compress think about it for 1/2 a sec u should figure it out
Jmuk35 the lock did fail the physical reason for the failure is regardless I did not purposely disengage the lock an impact to the frame caused the blade to close unintentionally it's obvious why it happened if you're familiar with the design it does not change the fact that it happened the lock did fail plain and simple
Reality hits knife. Knife fails. FAILURE. Look at how daintily engineered the Axis lock is. Paperclip springs! You know why theres two springs? Because Benchmade knows theyre the weakest part of the knife.
A.G. Martinez wouldn’t call an open blade pommel strike reality. Definitely a failure but it’s inherent in the design, like how an otf fails when hitting even a piece of paper.
@@jacobfoley154 What is the intended use of a Benchmade BLACK CLASS TACTICAL knife? cutting apples and boxes? "Black class tactical knife, for use by LEO's and Military, and self defense" Yeah that's straight up calling this a fighting knife for self defense situations, and yes it failed a pommel strike test.
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The glass breaker is meant to be used with the blade closed. Fairly easy to see from the design
He isn't testing it for glass breaking, it's a tactical folde rin the black class, which means a fighting blade for self defense and combat, and a pommel strike is what he is testing, as in a pommel strike to the skull.
"Testing glass breaker on a piece of steel." Need we say more?
That little spot on the cam is so annoying
Its the mouse pointer lol
TRI-AD LOCK FTW⚔️
Just dont break glass with it open .
If i got the blade out im done with pomel strikes
Why would you do pommel strikes with an open knife anyway?!?
raphael beinhauer fighting it may seem corny but it's real especially with a knife like the barrage and Griptilian which are considered tactical folders being able to Palm a strike with a knife is a major advantage for defensive or offensive knife
U cut the seat belt, water filling the car...in panic and haste
Weird, just found this video and started slamming my newer Bugout against some hard wood just like this and the lock did not disengage one time after around 30 pommel strikes. Wonder if they fixed it or something!
it is a serious design flaw - would the same apply to the SOG assess locks ?
Right on, Bro. I have always told people that the Cross-Bar Lock can fail if not on the butt end. Peace, Stiletto :-)
hey man I love your channel, you and guys like this made me start 👍 I really hope he comes back to youtube
This is why I never cared for folding knives that use springs as part of the locking mechanism.
Old comment but I'm having trouble thinking of a lock without some sort of spring. :P Even a frame lock has a spring in it's construction (flat spring, but still - that's what keeps any locking mechanism "automatic").
@@BaritoneMike You would be correct on some of those constructions. My original comment was directed to the springs that axis lock uses or a button lock.
I came across this because I'm new to Benchmade and have two griptilian 551. I tried the exact same thing you did but wore gloves and hit much harder with no failure. I wonder if Benchmade improved on the lock some how don't know but love using the griptilian.
This is why I like that the mini barrage has a safety to lock the axis lock.
Thanks for the test...interesting!
Thumbs up for this test. Would not have expected the result. Relly thought the cause in the Vininul vid was disengaging by the sliding gloved hand. I am not sure what the mechanics are behind this failure. Try to figure that out.
Anyway, it does not change my opinion as well on the axis lock in general. I mean, when do you use the "pommel-strike" with an open knife? At least, i don't.
Tx for sharing this great testing.
"When do you use the "pommel-strike" with an open knife? " Really a good point that I never thought about during this video.
K.R.Studio with a knife like the barrage and the Griptilian marketed as tactical folders a pommel strike is a major advantage for a defensive or offensive knife design it matters
Thanks for sharing this test. Alot of people I feel Misinterpret why I test knives and other tools they way I do. My "extreme" testing is typically done at the end of a video after using the tool as intended. To me spine whacks, downward guard strikes, and now pommel strikes represent direct shock or stress on a locking mechanism. They are necessarily designed to be taken as a literal test. 90% of people will do nothing more with there folders than open packages or mail or even cut straps off a crate and I get it. Most people think it's dumb. But what about that weird off chance your out somewhere and something very unexpected happens where you only have your folder on you and you have to do something pretty unusual with it...... Can you Knife handle that unless type of stress? Maybe, Maybe not.... However I want all the I carry in my EDC. To pass my weird tests. Thanks for sharing this video.
Thanks alot man! Means alot. New test footage this week
I have several Benchmade knives with Axis lock and I don't ever use them to pommel anything. My favorite is the Mini-Grip.
I will remember this next time I round house pommel strike somebody with my axis lock knife. Cool test !!
I was trying to think of a quick easy low cost and space way to do my fixed blades .one of those i should have thought of that things!
I think that this is important information and I for one am glad you tested and posted the video, but for the way I use a knife, I can't ever see it becoming an issue. I don't use knives as hammers and I don't buy knives with glass breakers or pommel strikers but for some folks this could be very important to know.
Who would use the glass breaker with the blade out ?
@@user-xx5zl8dz1v someone who is using it for pommel strikes on bone?
Do you have the same issue with the contego 810?
DAVIDE TREVISANI yes with less impact than most of these
Lugermonger
I have the kw version in m390 that I really love. But in hard "tactical" situation I don't trust it anymore.
It’d be interesting to see the axis lock vs spyderco’s ball bearing lock
Same thing happened to me with my 551 Griptilian…but by the time it failed on me the guy was bloody and dead with a fractured skull.
Good video. Man those Axis locks are so polarizing. Such amazing performance for EDC and playfulness comes at a cost of unreliability with omega spring failures and now this. A bit disappointing but you wouldn't take your Porsche off-roading either unless you want to break it.
Oh no I can’t use my folding knife as a hammer?
@@Slippindisc you can still use it as a hammer - you should just make sure the blade is closed before doing so.
The springs they use for the axis lock is chincy and cheap. Broke mine after a little over 2 years of carry but very little actual use. Bought it direct from Benchmade...never again.
Why is he smacking the knife when open to break glass? Amd need to verify if the knifes is real or fake also , amd the lock stop will break because it’s only held by screws .
cold steel recon 1 or voyager SLAY benchmade especially with the new steel CS is using. i just wish they weren't made in taiwan :-/ also the axis lock is WAAAAAYYYYY TOO EASY to disengage if you train knife fighting, it's scary actually.
Taiwan has high quality blades and is reputable. Taiwan, Italy, USA, and Finland. Its China that you should stay away from
I guess close them before using glass breaker. Still a fun lock
It doesn't have a glass breaker. None of the knives he tested has it.
This is not what anyone I know would call lock failure , pointless .
The Adams has surely a stronger structure and less chance to fail.
So everyone says. I say its probably light duty for it's size like all the other benchmades.
ColdSteel Triad Rules!!
Just tested Cold Steel Recon 1 without gloves and a full grip with two pommel strikes. ZERO disengagement.
www.coldsteel.com/tri_ad_lock
Praise be to Andrew Demko
I do not fully trust the lock mechanism of *ANY* folding knife.
Benchmade has been years overdue to greatly improved the Axis lock.
The locking folding knife I most trust in actual use is the under ten dollar Cold Steel Kudu.
My 575 has really solid geometry and springs. Isnt failing that test.
aWeSOME!!!
Damn dude you get into some old videos I haven't thought about this one in a long time
And stabbing it forward into something should engage the lock even better. So stab away and avoid pommel strikes.
Holy shit. Cant believe that. Cool hair by the way. I wish i had a full head of hair. 😂
HOLY SHIT, on the 2nd strike my mini grip disengaged!! Wtf??
*too
*your sorry...
It would be interesting to see this done with a nicer SOG with the ARC lock, since it has that arced curve, it shouldn't disengage from a straight down movement. Bigtime fail from benchmade, but maybe not an issue for many.
How often would you actually find yourself using a pommel strike on a folder with the blade out? Especially on a HARD surface, might I add... Something like this would NEVER be a realistic deal-breaker for me. Let's say if you actually wanted to break glass or such with the butt of the knife, make sure the blade is closed. Simple. Let's say if you were in a survival situation and you wanted to use a pommel strike... Well... Why would you? You have a sharp ass piece of steel, let's use that instead! All in all, this lock is secure for all intents and purposes, just don't abuse the fucking thing.
Or engineer a locking mechanism that is not susceptible to reality. Simple.
And when something fails, make it stronger or ditch the design, and don't bank on it like Benchmade does.
A.G. Martinez the springs in the axis lock look like repurposed paperclips
When would you ever use a pommel strike against a hard surface? I don't know can't think of any, oh yeah that's right, the skull, the literal target that you are supposed to aim for with a pommel strike. I wouldn't mind or comment if this were a blue class EDC, but Benchmade literally sell them as black class tactical knives, aimed towards combat situations.
My griptilian doesn’t do that
I think you're lying, I just tested my Benchmade which is a new 2020 model black class, and it failed the test right away. Then I called my buddy up who collects Benchmades and he said they all fail the pommel whack test.
Londinium Armoury i promise you my OG full sized griptilian doesn’t fail pommel whack tests often
@@RxCGaming Do you know what's different about he griptillian Axis, than the rest of the axis locks? I can't find anything which says it's built differently. The only Black class knife that says it's constructed different is the Adamas as far as I can see.
New bailout ain't doing this
That's good does the bailout have a titanium lockzbar like in the bugout the lighter weight lock-bar would have much less momentum working on the Omega spring during impact that's an interesting attribute
@@Lugermonger35 yes
Just close the knife before ya smash stuff lol
During a combat/SD situation? are you supposed to ask your attacker nicely to let you close your knife before you deliver a pommel strike while he is grappling you. 'd understand if this was a blue class EDC situation, but we are talking black class tactical situation here, you know what benchmade sell them as.
You get many threats in your moms basement?
So use the knife to cut things
i'm not a knife
Answer ! Triad!
Dale Carpenter For sure the triad lock wouldn't fail like this. I don't plan on using any of my Benchmade's as a pommel with the blade open, but it's good to know it shouldn't be attempted.
th-cam.com/video/ZVFwFvUfTiE/w-d-xo.html here is the video
Now, I haven’t read any other posts, so if I’m questioning the obvious, sorry. It seems counterintuitive to use the glass breaker with the blade deployed. I don’t see how that’s a design failure as I’m sure it’s not designed to work that way. Common sense I guess isn’t common.
michael meissner a pommel strike is he very is a effective defensive or offense option when you're talking about tactical cutlery the 810 contego and the 583 barrage are marketed as tactical folders to law enforcement and the military the major majority of people that carry them are civilians however if someone did ever have to use the knife in a fight the pommel strike is a negated action for some of these axis lock designs
that glass Breakers not just for breaking glass
michael meissner the problem is this model was marketed as a tactical folder and also it has a glassbreaker.
I was going to buy Bm 940 after sewing this video i will not go close to any Axis lock knife. fuck that.
Now, I'm not gonna buy a Benchmade at all.
Your comment doesn't make sense ... unless you intend to routinely pommel-strike somebody with the blade open.
Get the mini barrage it has a lock
@@IndianaJoe0321 Why would you be engaging somebody with your blade closed that puzzles me way more. If you intend to use a black class tactical folder (Benchmades words not mine) then surely you would deploy the ACTUAL blade first right? right?
My Contego has no glass breaker. I would not use it anyway, whether on glass or steel. I have mine for EDC, so the locking mechanism working is critical, should the need arise for self defense. AXIS are among the strongest in this regards, as has been proven time and again.
I just pommel striked every knife I own on the floor, every single lock type passed the test, except my Benchmade axis lock lol. Liner locks, compression locks, frame locks, back locks, even my damn slipjoins stayed open, axis locked failed instantly. Seems the axis lock is can't tolerate downwards impact force.
@@londiniumarmoury7037 Why on earth would you strike the pommel? Are you planning on breaking into a car or a business?
@@willieboy3011 Tactical combat knife, a pommel strike to the head in grappling distance is what is being tested here, not glass breaking or smashing windows.
@@londiniumarmoury7037 I guess a head strike with the butt of the knife is possible in a fight. I have used a knife in a self defense encounter, so I take the locking seriously. Mine failed, and I am lucky to be alive. I was using the blade end of the knife. But he would likely not be alive if the blade lock had not failed.
@@londiniumarmoury7037 From the knife lock testing standpoint, a pommel strike failure would not be good. I have done the blade tap, which is far harder on the lock than the pommel strike. Both my Benchmade Contego AXIS locks held perfectly, as expected. My personal experience is Benchmade AXIS locks are reliable, and they stand behind their products. My only failure is a high priced Zero Tolerance 0393. This liner lock fails miserably. Hence, I never carry it.
If the lock don’t bend backward , or collapse while using , all is good , if you want to beat get a hammer !!!!
Get a bm with the axis lock
Everyone here probably has one, or more.
The issue... maybe he was using the wrong tool for the job. Benchmade, everyday carries are not to be treated like a chisel or spike.
Chris Zimmer The benchmade he was testing was a Benchmade 810 Contigo, which has a glass breaker, so he was testing the glass breaker on some, glass.
Chris Zimmer i
Chris Zimmer a pommel strike is a major advantage in a tactical folding knife design these knives are marketed for everyday use as well defensive or offensive purpose especially a knife like the barrage marketed heavily to police and military
Actually most edc knives are not made for defense purposes. Like i said wrong tool for the job. A fixed blade has no chance of failure in intense sitiations.
Chris Zimmer Words quickest opening knife. The fixed blade.
*Your
I will say that the axis lock is designed for quick deployment & closing. Personally, if I was looking to use a knife for tactical it wouldn't be a knife with a lock system designed for convenience.
My issue here is that your perception of tactical marketing justifies your flawed test and result of a lock failure. That logic is backwards.
Benchmade sell these knives as tactical knives, in the black class, marketed towards military and self defense situations. Then somebody tests them for tactical use with a pommel strike, which is a valid impact technique in grappling distance.
Then it fails an impact test.
Seems standard to me, not backwards at all, if anything it's actually very helpful information for people, to know what the knife cannot do, and it might even save a life or 2, and prevent people from trying to pommel strike with a black class benchmade when it's deployed.
7 months, did you just come out of a coma?
I am saying it's backwards to think just bc it's marketed as tactical, it shouldn't fail. 'Black class' and 'tactical' is marketing, it means nothing. Axis is for convenience, not tactical (no matter what benchmade says) that's why it fails your test.
@@christophwilhelm6431 So if catagory, class and targeted use are just marketing and not actual indicators of intended use. Then utility and blue class should also in your opinion just be marketing as well right. So we shouldn't expect their blue class utility blades to stand up to EDC utility tasks.
If you market something as a tool for a job, then it should hold up to eveything expected in that role.
If you buy a shovel for digging holes and it breaks because the shaft is made of balsa wood, or buy a baseball bat made out of MDF and it breaks when batting, then a customer comes along and says "My baseball bat broke when hitting a baseball"
You will come out and say "No it's just marketing, don't actually expect them to be fit for baseball training,"
What about any other tool sold to tradesmen? If I buy a carpentry tool for carving hardwood, I expect it to be made of hard steel with high HRC, if they give me some mild steel and it rolls everytime I carve some Oak, I will have a complaint.
What's backwards is you, making excuses for a company that sells tools for a specific use, that don't hold up to said role.
And a coma? do you think everybody reads your comment the second you post it, or that once you post it, it's sealed in an untouchable vault archived, never to be refuted.
You think you are refuting me? LOL.
Your perception I am making excuses for benchmade is waaaay off.
Is it impossible to use a 'tactical' knife for EDC? How about reversed?
The lock type is what makes it unsuitable for tactical use. I like the Axis, for ease of use;the ability to use and put away quickly. I would use a more stable lock when hard use or SD in the situation. Yes, knife companies use categories to sell knives. It's up to you to decide how valid they are.
@@christophwilhelm6431 Yes so everything we are saying is true, Benchmade Black class knives are not fit for tactical use. It's up tot he user, but the company still has responsibility to market things honestly, you wouldn't tolerate it from a body armour company would you, if they rate their vest as NIJ2 and it fails to stop the round specified, you can't just turn around tot he customer and say "Well you should have tested the vest yourself" No we expect basic standards, especially when you are selling something to defend your life with.
What even is your point, because you are agreeing with us, you agree that these black class knives are not fit for tactical use.
So your problem is we are pointing out Benchmade is lying to sell knives?
Where is this, “you use the glass breaker with da blade closed, everybuddy no dat,” shit come from? Axis is touted as one of the most secure and effective locks available. EVERY SINGLE lock out there can handle what this guy is doing, EXCEPT BENCHMADES ULTRA SUPA DUPA WW2 BAd GuiSe LOCK. Anyone making excuses for this tomfoolery need a good look in the mirror (clean it first) and to be honest with they-selves. The Chinese copies of these have a stronger lock (that can be used blade opened). Wtf?!
This is the reason people would rather buy from fucking Chyna than the US. Instead of making a better product they choose to leave the problems as is and call you the asshole for “not using the product correctly.” Do better guys, all of us. Or pretty soon we’ll be thanking Chinese soldiers for 5 food rations a week (WITH NO CHOCOLATE).
Any axis lock knife without a glass breacker probably wasnt made for pommel strike
This test is a no brainer u ever hear on every action has a opposite reaction? slam something down on a spring the spring WILL compress think about it for 1/2 a sec u should figure it out
brickapolis 2014. Exactly. The lock didn't fail
Jmuk35 the lock did fail the physical reason for the failure is regardless I did not purposely disengage the lock an impact to the frame caused the blade to close unintentionally it's obvious why it happened if you're familiar with the design it does not change the fact that it happened the lock did fail plain and simple
This lock did not fail its designed intention
brickapolis 2014 LOL!
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Who tests a glass breaker with the blade open 🤷♂️
Benchmade is light duty
my god that hair and that gRAMMAR
i would not call this a failure
Reality hits knife. Knife fails. FAILURE.
Look at how daintily engineered the Axis lock is. Paperclip springs! You know why theres two springs? Because Benchmade knows theyre the weakest part of the knife.
A.G. Martinez wouldn’t call an open blade pommel strike reality. Definitely a failure but it’s inherent in the design, like how an otf fails when hitting even a piece of paper.
@@jacobfoley154 What is the intended use of a Benchmade BLACK CLASS TACTICAL knife?
cutting apples and boxes?
"Black class tactical knife, for use by LEO's and Military, and self defense"
Yeah that's straight up calling this a fighting knife for self defense situations, and yes it failed a pommel strike test.
The axis lock is the worse locking system made.
Marco Photo This is a false statement. If it were true, Benchmade wouldn't even make a third of their sales.
It's actually extremely strong, sure, it fails during a pommel strike, but its extremely strong in all other regards.
Is this a joke? You're worried about THIS?
Simple solution ; don't perform pommel strikes with the fucking blade out.