It is , I recall travelling on that train unit when it first ran. Quite a stunt, it had the facility to run on three systems and yes they've all been pretty much withdrawn now
your bit about the 94 eurostar was so interesting! as a museums person, the things that make up a collection arent "old" but the idea is that they're valuable (historically, technologically, etc)... or at least that's what I remind myself when I catalogue something new into the collection that was made in 2006...
I bought a bike from the Edinburgh Bicycle Co-operative in 1996. That company donated the exact same model to the National Museum of Scotland for their cycles collection. So you will now often see me cycling through Edinburgh on a 'museum piece'.
Sir Kenneth Grange, whose name is on that IC 125, designed its iconic front end. He also designed Kenwood food mixers, Wilkinson Sword razors, Morphy Richards clothes irons, Parker pens, Kodak cameras and numerous other everyday objects.
It catches up to us all. It's depressing talking about things at work and the young'ns in their early 20's not having a clue what I'm on about. I'm only 36!
@@TalesOfWar When I was younger than you (a good 30+ years ago now), I took a friend's children (a lad and a lass) out for the day to a living museum. It was one of those places that shows how life used to be via various full-size dioramas. Ye olde ancient agricultural farmstead life exhibits were explained to the best of my ability even though they related to a time long, long ago before even I was born. What really brought home just how old I was though was when when the lad (then about nine) went into a classic red telephone kiosk to have a look at it. He popped out a few minutes later completely baffled as to how it all worked. His face when I explained about putting money in and pressing Button A and actually sticking your finger into the dial and rotating it one digit at a time was absolutely priceless. When I further explained that, even within my lifetime, you had to book long distance and international calls via the operator, his eyes grew so wide I was fearful they would pop out of his head. He spent the rest of the day looking at me from time to time in a pitying sort of a way that I had had to live with such primitive tools. Until then, he had sort of assumed that everyone alive during "history" was long dead. Side note: my Dad was in the Army. At a time when you still had to book long distance and international calls via the operator from the UK, he was able to dial from Germany to my Aunt in the UK from a telephone kiosk (albeit very expensive). I was taken along to feed the coins into the phone - which I quickly learned was a full time job. I can remember collapsing in the kiosk, hysterical with laughter at the very thought that my Dad was talking to my Aunt at all. The very idea seemed unbelievable to a young me. Mind you, those were also the days when people were shy in front of TV cameras .... can you even imagine such a thing today?
The thing is, we're used to railway things lasting a long time. The 1938 tube trains have just been withdrawn from the IoW. There are a load of Inter City 125s from the '70s still running, albeit having been re-engined. So to see something as new as the Eurostar engines out of service is out of place.
I went to the same primary school as Oliver Buillied, he started school in 1885, so that was well before my time. The school is in the southernmost city in New Zealand. I forget if he was born here, but his father died (here) and his mother and children returned to the UK. The rest is history.
I enjoy all of your videos. I live in Connecticut, and we have a tourist steam railroad about 40 miles away from home. They purchased a brand new Chinese built steam engine. It lasted about two years. Leaks all over, high maintenance costs. They sold it and went back to a God knows how old American steamer.
I remember a Q1 appearing on the railway embankment near our house one dark evening in the 1960s on an engineering train. It was weird seeing street lights through the gap between the boiler and the frame; it added to the sense of some strange dark contraption hissing, clanking and breathing fire in the night.
Although I grew up in Ashford, where some of the Q1 class were built, I don't remember seeing a Q1 'in the flesh'. Howver, I'm pleased that a photo exists of my grandfather conducting the Ashford Railway Works Band for a wartime broadcast of 'In Town Tonight' in front of a Q1. My copy is in the 1947 SR brochure for the centenary of Ashford Works.
@@johnenfield1930 I best remember the Q1s storming past me on North London Line freights - really impressive when you're at ground level only a few feet away with only metal railings beween us.
@@JP_TaVeryMuch Tatsache, danke sehr. Englisch ist einfach irritierend. Natürlich wird das Verb "pronounce" geschrieben, aber das entsprechende Substantiv "pronunciation". Ist genau so verwirrend wie dass "fridge" mit "d" geschrieben wird, aber "refrigerator" nicht.
When I was a kid I used to take the train from Weymouth to Dorchester South to go to school. I well remember a Q1 that use to shunt at Dorchester South. From head on it was an amazing sight as you could see both coupling rods rising and falling.
Jago's reaction to the Eurostar being in the museum is exactly my reaction to when I traveled on the Worth Valley Railway's Pacer. You start to realise that you are getting old.
My dad bought me a Hornby railway set when I was a child, it came with 2 Intercity 125 engines, and 2 or 3 coaches. I was obsessed with them. In reality though, they used to terrify me to the point of tears whenever they pulled away from a station.
7:32. Sadly getting more frequent that I find in museums objects that emphasize that I too am getting to be a museum piece. “Ah yes, I remember when….” Oh well.
@@trr94001 not entirely true. There are a handful of standard gauge lines. And then there's even one line that uses the quirky "Scotch gauge" (4'6") also used for main lines in Taiwan, and there's one line of Tokyo's underground that uses that gauge just for interlining with it (Tokyo, like London, does have some lines where "underground" and "suburban/commuter" trains share tracks, to an even more extreme degree than in London)
Do love the Jago Audio version of visiting the Railway Museum. Great video and interesting to hear the upcoming video about the HSTs since they being phased out for CrossCountry and GWR this year.
I was at the museum back in January, and the biggest reason why I wanted to go there was because of the 0 Series Shinkansen set, which I’ve seen the other end for in Saijo, Japan, the home of the implementer of the Shinkansen system, Sogo Shinji. So glad I’ve come full circle haha.
I understand your reaction to the 1994 Eurostar engine very well, especially if you're riding the Bakerloo line anywhere near regularly. Those 1972 stock trains are living museums at this point. Given that I don't have to ride them regularly, I love that they're still in service. 🥰
Pleased to see the narrow gauge works shunters were mentioned. Crewe had five miles of 18-in railway that even served the station. (A signal box was later built with a hole through its centre to allow the line to pass though it.) It was estimated that a loco part typically travelled two miles before reaching the loco itself, so they needed that railway.
My favourite part of the later version of the Shinkansen is that the design was an example of bio-mimicry where the front was inspired by a kingfisher if I’m not wrong.
Yes, some of the newer series of locomotives have elongated nose cones to reduce the boom generated when entering a tunnel at speed. The design was inspired by the beak of the kingfisher, which lowers the resistance to it entering the water.
The Bullied Q1 was a general purpose locomotive Ive seen both on passenger and freight use. I used to ride Oerlikon painted BR green from Watford High St to Harrow and Wealdstone to visit my Nan in Wealdstone in the late 50s
Yes, I got that feeling on my US trip in the Pennsylvania State Railroad Museum. There an AEM-7 electric locomotive was shown in the outside collection and I had to find out that the latest entry to the exhibition was one year younger than me...
I was hoping you'd include the train from Horwich works, as my great-grandfather was a fitter there and the abandoned works were my playground as a child - much to my mother's disappointment! Really enjoy your videos Jago!
There are Eurostar trainsets rotting and being vandalized (because France) on sidings here in France so yeah, these trains, just as we, are old enough to be museum pieces too... I'm old enough to have gone to the UK in a SR.N4, the hovercraft. So for me, the Channel tunnel is still the fancy new railroad thing under the sea ^^'
I remember seeing the 125 "Sir Kenneth Grange" in those colours and running on a GWR train through Reading Station. It must have been in 2017 as I was daily commuting to Reading at the time. BTW, it is scary to see that things that were made in my lifetime and that I have I seen and used etc. are now to be found in museums! I share your sentiments Jago!
I fully understand, and sympathise with, your reaction to the Eurostar, Jago. I had a similar reaction on discovering that the "new" ICL computer I saw being installed, now resides in a glass case at the Science Museum.
Love this. Also, was, in my head, always mispronouncing Oerlikon! Interesting to see the first "mainline" trains designed to use London Underground style electrification!
Q1s were the most powerful 060 goods engines; I felt slightly old and over the hill when I visited the N rm some while back now and saw a driving trailer from a CIG southern region multiple unit there. In Connex livery. Having driven them for 15 years till they finished in 2005.
The Q1 is in my top 5 locomotive classes of all time, per pound weight and spent its one of the best ever built. It ended up looking more like a test/proof of concept locomotive which given they often feature only the essential components makes sense.
Nice to see mention of one of my favourite steam locomotives, the Bullied Q1, now there was a CME that though outside the box. One thing that struck me about the Bullet Train was its rather sparce, austere interior.
I love the Bulleid Q1 - such a distinct and iconic design. The fact they stripped all the unecessary fluff gives it a wonderful minimalist design feel, almost Bauhaus look and feel.
Ah, a S.R. Q1 - I remember those on the Waterloo to Portsmouth line. There would always be one at the engine sheds in Guildford. They always looked very dirty
I would love to see that Q1 running again. What an interesting freak it is (the engine that is). There is a video out there on TH-cam of it pulling carriages on the Bluebell Railway. They were also know as the Austerity Class.
Love it Jago. I remember when the Shinkansen arrived they had to "raise" the wheels on one side by putting small blocks of wood on the tracks under the wheels so that the air-dams would scratch on the pavement. Looking forward to the video on the 125's. I will assert (because others have) that these were the trains that saved British Rail. Diesels because they could and electrification wasnt going fast enough. PS. I had the same feeling about seeing a Eurostar in a museum.
I too have always liked Bulleid's Q1 "Austerity" 0-6-0 goods engines. I have no idea why! Maybe I always felt a bit sorry for them. Or that they were designed to do a job, with no frills, were functional and did it very well. The sheer functionality of them engendered respect (I suppose).
There are also lots of NRM engines not on display at any one time. One worth mentioning is the LSWR Adams T3 4-4-0 No. 563 which I first saw on display at York, a beautiful locomotive. The NRM passed it on to the Swanage Railway, it is in the final stages of restoration and should return to steam late this summer. At 130 years old it should be the oldest British express tender locomotive in working order. It also featured in "The Railway Children" stage shows at Kings Cross and in Toronto (others being done by GNR No. 1) but only using smoke effects!
Hi Jago. The Q1 is also one of my favourites. You are quite correct that it was the most powerful 0-6-0 locos (unfortunately, its braking power was somewhat poor). I have models of both the Q1 and the Shinkansen 0 Series (but in a green and white livery). More videos like this, please.
There have been two operational generations of Eurostar. But there was a third vehicle meant to serve intercity routes on the regional high speed lines that were meant to follow the introduction of the service in the 1990s
Excellent video, jago - that rather dusty Eurostar loco being in a museum makes me feel very old as well! (I think we are of similar vintage - 1994 was only 10 years ago, right??)
In many ways, the Bulleid Q1s were the ultimate development of the British 0-6-0 mainline steam locomotive and the last word in 'austerity' wartime designs. Despite their looks - which weren't really a consideration when one takes into account the circumstances under which they were built and how that influnced the design brief - they thrived on their intended duties and lasted well into the 1960s (the class of 40 were withdrawn between 1963 & 1966). As a self-confessed diesel man (the exact opposite of you, Jago lol), they are among my favourite British steam loco designs (along with the Caledonian Railway Single & the BR 9F). Am looking forward to that video on the HST/InterCity 125 BTW. :) (plus the one on the British built locos for export at some point in the future).
Loved the Eurostar bit... When I rode it nearly 10 years ago, it reminded me of the first Mission Impossible movie from the 90s, because it didn't look like it had been updated since then 😂
They have truly interesting items - the Channel Tunnel construction train is a cool one and then of course the Eurostar power car. The SAR Class 7A is basically a goods version of the 6th Class (which were 4-6-0s) which were "fast passenger locos". The Chinese loco looks very "American" from the front EDIT: Haha, which you said after I posted this comment haha
Interesting vid.Maschinenfabrik Oerlikon were along with Schweizerische Lokomotiv - und maschinenfabrik the companies that built the famous Swiss Crocodile (Krokodil) 6/8c locomotives and were pioneers and innovators in electric rail traction.I was very lucky many years ago to see one working.Oerlikon became part of Brown Boveri who built the WR gas turbine no.18000.The SR Q1 class a hideous but eye catching bare bone wartime design were good rugged engines and capable of hauling express passenger trains if required.I once saw them referred to as Ferro-Equinologists nightmares!
@@lawrencelewis2592 As far as I know both sides did use Bofors and Oerlikon weaponry in WW2 however I'm not sure regarding supplies of these during that time.
@@lawrencelewis2592 German forces had no access or transit arrangements with Switzerland but they did with Sweden supposedly for better access to Finland who had foolishly trusted them with regards to another agenda.The Germans would therefore have had better access to Bofors and as the Swedes were already selling iron ore to them and despatching this through Narvik in occupied Norway I imagine they would have had few qualms at supplying them with armaments from Bofors.
Last time I was at the Nat was when I was a kid (before that Eurostar ever got mined and refined.) Even if you're not that much of a fan when you arrive, you'll see a lot of art and engineering fused together in the pursuit of money. The idea will stay with you.
Thanks for Sharing Jago - yep, at some point not sure when - I need to revisit the N. C. - just to see what has changed from my last visit about 7 yrs ago!!! 🤔🚂🚂🚂
Jago,you share the existential crisis I have whenever I talk about new things which were brought out when I was in my fourties, which the rest of my family considers old, or to them even Vintage.
Victorian Railways was a frequent customer of English and Scottish locomotive builders in the 19th century, most commonly Beyer, Peacock and Co. Eventually though we just started swiping their staff and started designing and (mostly) building our own stuff instead.
India was a large recipient of British made steam traction. On the subject of narrow gauge works railways i used to live near the Royal Gunpowder Mills, Waltham Abbey which had its own narrow gauge internal railway, when I left town there were ongoing efforts to restore it, not sure how it’s coming along
When I visited the National Railway museum Jago I was able to go inside the 🚅 (amazing it has its own emoji!). Five seats across and a wider aisle too. As you said, well engineered.
That reminds me of a video about the Shinkansen they used to play inside of it. As a kid it mesmerised me. Thanks for the fond memories; shame they aren’t playing it at the moment.
Just for your interest Jago, the Q1 (Ugly Duckling) became the most powerful 0-6-0 in the UK once built. Over taking the ex Great Eastern/ LNER J20 Class
The most stunning trains I've seen is from Russia. Black as pitch, and it looks like it could eat you. It is in a recent Bond movie, no idea which one. As you are the pro from Dover, I will leave it to your very capable hands to find a photo and with luck details. Thanks Jago. My first request and probably the last. Love your channel.
For their size and 0-6-0 wheel layout, the Q1's are DEFINITELY the most powerful. Such a rarity for a British 0-6-0 to make it to the 5F bracket. I think only one 0-6-0 outmatched it at 6F, but that was purely for sheer tractive effort. Power measures strength and speed, and you wouldn't see one of them racing backwards at 60 mph like a Q1 could! Also your reaction to the Class 373 Eurostar is exactly how I feel about the Acela trains we have on the Northeast Corridor. They started work the same year I was born and their replacements are already being delivered...
Interesting. I mostly knew Oerlikon (pronouced more like "Or" as in "this Or that" or as in "Iron Ore") as a prolific maker of anti-aircraft guns during the Second World War. I had no idea they supplied electric equipment for early commuter trains. By the sound of it, it sounds like a classic case of the LNWR wanting to stick with their "Good enough" policy, but also not wanting to potentially be left behind by progress. So they trialed some early electric stock on commuter service as an easy way to cut costs on generally low-profit services and also as an "Eh, in for a laugh" measure; if it took off nationwide, the groundwork to start from was there. If not, as pre-BR electrification largely didn't, then it could remain an isolated experiment, no harm no foul. The Bulleid Q1's were the most powerful 0-6-0 goods engines ever built. They were also designed to be easy to maintain; to clean them one needed only to run them through a carriage wash. However, in addition to their unattractive features they also suffered from low braking capacity; because they only had 12 wheels of braking power, 6 driving wheels and 6 tender wheels, their power meant that they could often bite off more than they could chew, being unable to stop a heavy train once they got it going. As such, although they were technically capable of hauling the heaviest goods trains the Southern could throw at them, generally larger engines like the S15's or the WD Austerity 2-8-0's were preferred for the biggest trains.
You're wrong on German pronunciation. "Oe" is pronunced the same as "O umlaut", so it's more like "Er" as Jago had it. And I'm not sure the LNWR regarded their electrification as an experiment. It was the Midland and NER that experimented, with their Lancaster-Heysham and Shildon-Newport schemes.
That 7A locomotive got me thinking. Did you ever here about the South African 15F locomotive that's on display in Glasgow's Riverside Museum, after she was brought back from Blomfontein? Incidentally New Zealand had plenty of British-built engines besides the 'E' class Double Fairlie. One of them is the 'Y' class 0-6-0T, of which three examples were built by Hunslet in the 1920s. Y 542 is preserved, and she runs once a month at the Western Springs Railway in Auckland. North British of Glasgow also built 16 'JA' class 4-8-2s for the North Island, while the South Island got 35 locally-built JAs instead. Sadly only one of the Scottish-built examples - JA 1275 - is preserved.
I have similar feelings about the Eurostar loco. The trains I got to work for my first job (class 365) have all gone and only part of one is preserved which makes me feel Ancient.
i was just in old Sacramento and walked by the train museum. perfect day to go but lack of funds prevailed. however in a couple of days i will be returning in a couple of days and plan on visiting the museum then
I love the Shinkensen motor car, it is hard to believe it is so old. Also I love the back story to this "locomotive", in that Japanese Railways completely refurbished it so it was immaculate and perfect, had a Shinto Priest bless it and then sent a team of engineers with it to ensure it's display was perfect. The Oerlikon motor car is iconic and reminds me of the 'Tait' EMU set occasionally run on the Melbourne, Australia network - lovely wooden coaches. If I had a billion pounds, I couldn't spend it all on things I need or want, but I could drop a lot of it on charities and preserved railways. In the modern era of building brand new steam locomotives and speeding up the rebuilding of old ones, I would pay for the Q1 to be put back in steam. I remember it vividly on the Bluebell and if the NMR (or RM - seriously?) were adamant about keeping it as an inanimate display, I would pony up for someone to build another one. They are superb locos and suited the Bluebell perfectly. Is the Double Fairlie a permanent exhibit at NMR? I know the Ff&WHR have the square one on display and is unlikely ever to steam again, but they can't really spare them, can they?
Very Interesting to see Chinese and Japanese locomotives in the National Museum. I believe the last production Chinese steam locomotive is in Iowa USA, if you would like to ride it. Those of us that have steam in our blood really appreciate revisiting the National Museum in York, even if it it is only remotely.
The last Chinese steam locomotive built, SY1772, is preserved by its' previous operator, the Daxing Mining Company of Tiefa, Liaoning Province, China. In 2020 I travelled on the footplate of the loco.
There are a few good examples of locos built for export about, with one ex-South African North British loco in the Riverside museum in Glasgow, a Garratt from the same source in Summerlee in Coatbridge, and an 8F that was exported to Turkey in Bo'ness.
For saying that you couldn't pronounce Maschinenfabrik Oerlikon, you did quite well. It's a long I in "Fabrik", so it doesn't sound like fabric, more like the ee in words like "reek".
@@simonro9168 It's the same. Perhaps the Swiss thought casting the Umlaut on the maker's plate would have been too fiddly or confused monolingual British folk. The Scottish loco builder Dübs & Co used the Umlaut in documents but their maker's plates were just plain Dubs.
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Your reaction to the Eurostar is definitely a classic. The signature Jago wit 🔥
Being close to 50. It really does make one feel old when you see something that was new and state of the art in a museum.
It is , I recall travelling on that train unit when it first ran. Quite a stunt, it had the facility to run on three systems and yes they've all been pretty much withdrawn now
your bit about the 94 eurostar was so interesting! as a museums person, the things that make up a collection arent "old" but the idea is that they're valuable (historically, technologically, etc)... or at least that's what I remind myself when I catalogue something new into the collection that was made in 2006...
I expect it made Jago wonder if he belongs in a museum.
The last ever exhibition at The Museum of London was about the history of grime music!
Cue a whole Class 185 unit.... (built it, ooh, let me see now......... 2006!
I bought a bike from the Edinburgh Bicycle Co-operative in 1996. That company donated the exact same model to the National Museum of Scotland for their cycles collection. So you will now often see me cycling through Edinburgh on a 'museum piece'.
I'm pretty sure the Eurostar was there when I first went to the museum about 20 years ago, and it _definitely_ wasn't old then!
Sir Kenneth Grange, whose name is on that IC 125, designed its iconic front end. He also designed Kenwood food mixers, Wilkinson Sword razors, Morphy Richards clothes irons, Parker pens, Kodak cameras and numerous other everyday objects.
Jago faces the chilling inevitability of the passage of time
It catches up to us all. It's depressing talking about things at work and the young'ns in their early 20's not having a clue what I'm on about. I'm only 36!
@@TalesOfWar When I was younger than you (a good 30+ years ago now), I took a friend's children (a lad and a lass) out for the day to a living museum. It was one of those places that shows how life used to be via various full-size dioramas.
Ye olde ancient agricultural farmstead life exhibits were explained to the best of my ability even though they related to a time long, long ago before even I was born.
What really brought home just how old I was though was when when the lad (then about nine) went into a classic red telephone kiosk to have a look at it. He popped out a few minutes later completely baffled as to how it all worked. His face when I explained about putting money in and pressing Button A and actually sticking your finger into the dial and rotating it one digit at a time was absolutely priceless. When I further explained that, even within my lifetime, you had to book long distance and international calls via the operator, his eyes grew so wide I was fearful they would pop out of his head.
He spent the rest of the day looking at me from time to time in a pitying sort of a way that I had had to live with such primitive tools. Until then, he had sort of assumed that everyone alive during "history" was long dead.
Side note: my Dad was in the Army. At a time when you still had to book long distance and international calls via the operator from the UK, he was able to dial from Germany to my Aunt in the UK from a telephone kiosk (albeit very expensive). I was taken along to feed the coins into the phone - which I quickly learned was a full time job. I can remember collapsing in the kiosk, hysterical with laughter at the very thought that my Dad was talking to my Aunt at all. The very idea seemed unbelievable to a young me. Mind you, those were also the days when people were shy in front of TV cameras .... can you even imagine such a thing today?
The thing is, we're used to railway things lasting a long time. The 1938 tube trains have just been withdrawn from the IoW. There are a load of Inter City 125s from the '70s still running, albeit having been re-engined. So to see something as new as the Eurostar engines out of service is out of place.
@@paulsengupta971 and plenty of diesels from the 50s and 60s still on the mainline network too
Even if there was no public demand, you’d have a Part 2 to this and the Railway Nerds wouldn’t have batted an eyelid.
I was expecting "You are the steam locomotive in front to my tender behind."
Begs the question: why do you have a tender behind? On second thoughts, perhaps best not to answer that!
I went to the same primary school as Oliver Buillied, he started school in 1885, so that was well before my time. The school is in the southernmost city in New Zealand. I forget if he was born here, but his father died (here) and his mother and children returned to the UK. The rest is history.
I enjoy all of your videos. I live in Connecticut, and we have a tourist steam railroad about 40 miles away from home. They purchased a brand new Chinese built steam engine. It lasted about two years. Leaks all over, high maintenance costs. They sold it and went back to a God knows how old American steamer.
They could have bought a quality new build British or German steam loco.
@@roderickjoyce6716
In the 1990s? Plus it would have to look like an American steamer.
@@roderickjoyce6716 Only have to wait ten or so years for delivery where as the Chineese could deliver it in two years with free shipping.🤣🤣🤑
guess they're too busy building the world's fastest high speed trains to make proper steam locomotives for america...
@@johannesgutsmiedl366
That was over 30 years ago!
I remember a Q1 appearing on the railway embankment near our house one dark evening in the 1960s on an engineering train. It was weird seeing street lights through the gap between the boiler and the frame; it added to the sense of some strange dark contraption hissing, clanking and breathing fire in the night.
Although I grew up in Ashford, where some of the Q1 class were built, I don't remember seeing a Q1 'in the flesh'. Howver, I'm pleased that a photo exists of my grandfather conducting the Ashford Railway Works Band for a wartime broadcast of 'In Town Tonight' in front of a Q1. My copy is in the 1947 SR brochure for the centenary of Ashford Works.
@@johnenfield1930 I best remember the Q1s storming past me on North London Line freights - really impressive when you're at ground level only a few feet away with only metal railings beween us.
Your pronunciation of "Maschinenfabrik Oerlikon" was actually almost spot on!
@@JP_TaVeryMuch Tatsache, danke sehr. Englisch ist einfach irritierend. Natürlich wird das Verb "pronounce" geschrieben, aber das entsprechende Substantiv "pronunciation".
Ist genau so verwirrend wie dass "fridge" mit "d" geschrieben wird, aber "refrigerator" nicht.
jago should ask youtuber "the post apocalyptic inventor" for the german pronunciations
@@fumthings I'm sure Gerolf over on TPAI would oblige
When I was a wee tot I remember HSTs coming in to service. I feel the same about seeing the HST power car there as you do about the Eurostar.
When I was a kid I used to take the train from Weymouth to Dorchester South to go to school. I well remember a Q1 that use to shunt at Dorchester South. From head on it was an amazing sight as you could see both coupling rods rising and falling.
Jago's reaction to the Eurostar being in the museum is exactly my reaction to when I traveled on the Worth Valley Railway's Pacer. You start to realise that you are getting old.
My dad bought me a Hornby railway set when I was a child, it came with 2 Intercity 125 engines, and 2 or 3 coaches. I was obsessed with them. In reality though, they used to terrify me to the point of tears whenever they pulled away from a station.
7:32. Sadly getting more frequent that I find in museums objects that emphasize that I too am getting to be a museum piece. “Ah yes, I remember when….” Oh well.
Japan going from dorking around with narrow gauge railways to a straight up national high speed rail network is a stunning development!
Everything in Japan except the Shinkansen is still Cape Gauge, 3’ 6”.
@@trr94001 not entirely true. There are a handful of standard gauge lines. And then there's even one line that uses the quirky "Scotch gauge" (4'6") also used for main lines in Taiwan, and there's one line of Tokyo's underground that uses that gauge just for interlining with it (Tokyo, like London, does have some lines where "underground" and "suburban/commuter" trains share tracks, to an even more extreme degree than in London)
Wonderful video.
I’ve not been to NRM in a while, but this brought it all back.
Thanks Mr H
Spent many happy days at York and Shildon Railway Museums.
Thanks for sharing more of your visit Jago.
Do love the Jago Audio version of visiting the Railway Museum. Great video and interesting to hear the upcoming video about the HSTs since they being phased out for CrossCountry and GWR this year.
I was at the museum back in January, and the biggest reason why I wanted to go there was because of the 0 Series Shinkansen set, which I’ve seen the other end for in Saijo, Japan, the home of the implementer of the Shinkansen system, Sogo Shinji. So glad I’ve come full circle haha.
I understand your reaction to the 1994 Eurostar engine very well, especially if you're riding the Bakerloo line anywhere near regularly. Those 1972 stock trains are living museums at this point. Given that I don't have to ride them regularly, I love that they're still in service. 🥰
Pleased to see the narrow gauge works shunters were mentioned. Crewe had five miles of 18-in railway that even served the station. (A signal box was later built with a hole through its centre to allow the line to pass though it.) It was estimated that a loco part typically travelled two miles before reaching the loco itself, so they needed that railway.
My favourite part of the later version of the Shinkansen is that the design was an example of bio-mimicry where the front was inspired by a kingfisher if I’m not wrong.
That's a newer version, not this one - to be clear!
@@hairyairey Edited my comment
Yes, some of the newer series of locomotives have elongated nose cones to reduce the boom generated when entering a tunnel at speed. The design was inspired by the beak of the kingfisher, which lowers the resistance to it entering the water.
@@PokhrajRoy. I have a vague recollection from Chris Tarrant's extreme railways that one of these is running on Spanish railways
@@hairyairey It's a Spanish designed and built train, nicknamed "El Pato" because the front end looks like a duck's bill.
The Bullied Q1 was a general purpose locomotive Ive seen both on passenger and freight use. I used to ride Oerlikon painted BR green from Watford High St to Harrow and Wealdstone to visit my Nan in Wealdstone in the late 50s
Yes, I got that feeling on my US trip in the Pennsylvania State Railroad Museum. There an AEM-7 electric locomotive was shown in the outside collection and I had to find out that the latest entry to the exhibition was one year younger than me...
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I was hoping you'd include the train from Horwich works, as my great-grandfather was a fitter there and the abandoned works were my playground as a child - much to my mother's disappointment! Really enjoy your videos Jago!
There are Eurostar trainsets rotting and being vandalized (because France) on sidings here in France so yeah, these trains, just as we, are old enough to be museum pieces too...
I'm old enough to have gone to the UK in a SR.N4, the hovercraft. So for me, the Channel tunnel is still the fancy new railroad thing under the sea ^^'
Think theres also some Class 58's as well...
I remember seeing the 125 "Sir Kenneth Grange" in those colours and running on a GWR train through Reading Station. It must have been in 2017 as I was daily commuting to Reading at the time. BTW, it is scary to see that things that were made in my lifetime and that I have I seen and used etc. are now to be found in museums! I share your sentiments Jago!
I fully understand, and sympathise with, your reaction to the Eurostar, Jago.
I had a similar reaction on discovering that the "new" ICL computer I saw being installed, now resides in a glass case at the Science Museum.
Fun fact: The front of the shinkansen 0 series is based off the DC 3 plane. Thats why it has the very plane-like front.
Love this. Also, was, in my head, always mispronouncing Oerlikon! Interesting to see the first "mainline" trains designed to use London Underground style electrification!
Q1s were the most powerful 060 goods engines;
I felt slightly old and over the hill when I visited the N rm some while back now and saw a driving trailer from a CIG southern region multiple unit there. In Connex livery. Having driven them for 15 years till they finished in 2005.
The Q1 is in my top 5 locomotive classes of all time, per pound weight and spent its one of the best ever built.
It ended up looking more like a test/proof of concept locomotive which given they often feature only the essential components makes sense.
Nice to see mention of one of my favourite steam locomotives, the Bullied Q1, now there was a CME that though outside the box.
One thing that struck me about the Bullet Train was its rather sparce, austere interior.
For a man who thought outside the box, he sure did like to make all his locos box shaped.
to be fair, Bulleid got a bit of a head start on the out of the box thinking serving under Gresley before going to work for the Southern railway
@@MercenaryPen Not to mention the time he spent working in France before moving to the Southern.
Beautifully polished and presented. And the engines are nice too.
I love the Bulleid Q1 - such a distinct and iconic design. The fact they stripped all the unecessary fluff gives it a wonderful minimalist design feel, almost Bauhaus look and feel.
Ah, a S.R. Q1 - I remember those on the Waterloo to Portsmouth line. There would always be one at the engine sheds in Guildford. They always looked very dirty
And there's me remembering the museum when it was at Clapham.
Thanks for making me feel old, Jago.
I would love to see that Q1 running again. What an interesting freak it is (the engine that is). There is a video out there on TH-cam of it pulling carriages on the Bluebell Railway. They were also know as the Austerity Class.
7:30 - same reaction I had when I saw a Sinclair ZX Spectrum in the science museum
Love it Jago.
I remember when the Shinkansen arrived they had to "raise" the wheels on one side by putting small blocks of wood on the tracks under the wheels so that the air-dams would scratch on the pavement.
Looking forward to the video on the 125's. I will assert (because others have) that these were the trains that saved British Rail. Diesels because they could and electrification wasnt going fast enough.
PS. I had the same feeling about seeing a Eurostar in a museum.
With their "wonderful" Paxman Valenta V12 engines, with their "knife and fork" con-rod big ends.
The BBC Look North docu about it was amazing. They got it in by mm's.
A video on the export industry of British Rail would be a grand old watch. History for the win.
local here, you were pretty close with the Maschinenfabrik part & you completely nailed the Oerlikon part! good job
I too have always liked Bulleid's Q1 "Austerity" 0-6-0 goods engines. I have no idea why! Maybe I always felt a bit sorry for them. Or that they were designed to do a job, with no frills, were functional and did it very well. The sheer functionality of them engendered respect (I suppose).
More on the Q1 please. Not only because it’s the only one, it’s a Southern loco but it really stands out from the others.
I had no idea there was only one surviving Q1. It's one of my favourites too as I love an underdog design.
I wouldnt worry about the 373 Eurostar, its a living museum piece! there are several Airliners in museums that I have flown on!
Haven't been to the railway museum for many years, I really should visit again.
There are also lots of NRM engines not on display at any one time. One worth mentioning is the LSWR Adams T3 4-4-0 No. 563 which I first saw on display at York, a beautiful locomotive. The NRM passed it on to the Swanage Railway, it is in the final stages of restoration and should return to steam late this summer. At 130 years old it should be the oldest British express tender locomotive in working order. It also featured in "The Railway Children" stage shows at Kings Cross and in Toronto (others being done by GNR No. 1) but only using smoke effects!
Hi Jago. The Q1 is also one of my favourites. You are quite correct that it was the most powerful 0-6-0 locos (unfortunately, its braking power was somewhat poor). I have models of both the Q1 and the Shinkansen 0 Series (but in a green and white livery). More videos like this, please.
The tender was still there when I passed through last week on my way to Harrogate.
There have been two operational generations of Eurostar. But there was a third vehicle meant to serve intercity routes on the regional high speed lines that were meant to follow the introduction of the service in the 1990s
Wonderous. I worked with many ex Feltham drivers and firemen, the Q1s where known by them as 'Charlies' or sometimes 'Coffee pots'.
Excellent video, jago - that rather dusty Eurostar loco being in a museum makes me feel very old as well! (I think we are of similar vintage - 1994 was only 10 years ago, right??)
Was it really as long ago as that? Time to recalibrate my internal mental chronometer!
In many ways, the Bulleid Q1s were the ultimate development of the British 0-6-0 mainline steam locomotive and the last word in 'austerity' wartime designs. Despite their looks - which weren't really a consideration when one takes into account the circumstances under which they were built and how that influnced the design brief - they thrived on their intended duties and lasted well into the 1960s (the class of 40 were withdrawn between 1963 & 1966). As a self-confessed diesel man (the exact opposite of you, Jago lol), they are among my favourite British steam loco designs (along with the Caledonian Railway Single & the BR 9F).
Am looking forward to that video on the HST/InterCity 125 BTW. :) (plus the one on the British built locos for export at some point in the future).
Loved the Eurostar bit... When I rode it nearly 10 years ago, it reminded me of the first Mission Impossible movie from the 90s, because it didn't look like it had been updated since then 😂
the KF7 is a beautiful, massive train
They have truly interesting items - the Channel Tunnel construction train is a cool one and then of course the Eurostar power car. The SAR Class 7A is basically a goods version of the 6th Class (which were 4-6-0s) which were "fast passenger locos".
The Chinese loco looks very "American" from the front EDIT: Haha, which you said after I posted this comment haha
Interesting vid.Maschinenfabrik Oerlikon were along with Schweizerische Lokomotiv - und maschinenfabrik the companies that built the famous Swiss Crocodile (Krokodil) 6/8c locomotives and were pioneers and innovators in electric rail traction.I was very lucky many years ago to see one working.Oerlikon became part of Brown Boveri who built the WR gas turbine no.18000.The SR Q1 class a hideous but eye catching bare bone wartime design were good rugged engines and capable of hauling express passenger trains if required.I once saw them referred to as Ferro-Equinologists nightmares!
Didn't Oerlikon make anti-aircraft weapons used by both sides in WW2 or am I thinking of Bofors?
Maschinenfabrik Oerlikon of Zurich, Switzerland are also famous for their 20 mm cannon, much used on motor torpedo boats.
@@lawrencelewis2592 As far as I know both sides did use Bofors and Oerlikon weaponry in WW2 however I'm not sure regarding supplies of these during that time.
@@DavidWilson-hh2gn I Imagine the Germans had easier access to them then the British.
@@lawrencelewis2592 German forces had no access or transit arrangements with Switzerland but they did with Sweden supposedly for better access to Finland who had foolishly trusted them with regards to another agenda.The Germans would therefore have had better access to Bofors and as the Swedes were already selling iron ore to them and despatching this through Narvik in occupied Norway I imagine they would have had few qualms at supplying them with armaments from Bofors.
I can relate with the Eurostar 373 reaction, it seems like only yesterday they were at Waterloo station.
GNER had a few Eurostars for their Leeds LKX service. They looked absolutely bloody amazing in that livery.
Yes, GNER operated five of the abortive 12-strong Regional Eurostar fleet between 2000 and 2005, after which time all but no. 3008 returned to France.
My favourite nickname for the Q1 is the "telescopic dustbin".
It's funny, I was there last Friday! 🤣I love going to the museum, it's always so interesting to see and learn about.
Last time I was at the Nat was when I was a kid (before that Eurostar ever got mined and refined.)
Even if you're not that much of a fan when you arrive, you'll see a lot of art and engineering fused together in the pursuit of money.
The idea will stay with you.
Thanks for Sharing Jago - yep, at some point not sure when - I need to revisit the N. C. - just to see what has changed from my last visit about 7 yrs ago!!! 🤔🚂🚂🚂
7:34 I felt exactly this way the first time I saw a car exactly like the first one I bought new, driving by with ANTIQUE AUTO license plates on it.
Jago,you share the existential crisis I have whenever I talk about new things which were brought out when I was in my fourties, which the rest of my family considers old, or to them even Vintage.
Victorian Railways was a frequent customer of English and Scottish locomotive builders in the 19th century, most commonly Beyer, Peacock and Co. Eventually though we just started swiping their staff and started designing and (mostly) building our own stuff instead.
India was a large recipient of British made steam traction. On the subject of narrow gauge works railways i used to live near the Royal Gunpowder Mills, Waltham Abbey which had its own narrow gauge internal railway, when I left town there were ongoing efforts to restore it, not sure how it’s coming along
Happy to see the 7A get some love! My big interest is all those export steam engines so happy to see someone cover it!
that KF class reminds me very much of the New York Central railroad’s Hudson engines, although the Hudson’s were 4-6-4 and the KF Class is a 4-8-4.
When I visited the National Railway museum Jago I was able to go inside the 🚅 (amazing it has its own emoji!). Five seats across and a wider aisle too. As you said, well engineered.
That reminds me of a video about the Shinkansen they used to play inside of it. As a kid it mesmerised me. Thanks for the fond memories; shame they aren’t playing it at the moment.
Just for your interest Jago, the Q1 (Ugly Duckling) became the most powerful 0-6-0 in the UK once built. Over taking the ex Great Eastern/ LNER J20 Class
When I were a lad, it was all fields round here.
I feel you Jago, I do. Had the same reaction when I saw zoomers making videos about "retro" stuff that was actually my life as a teenager.
The most stunning trains I've seen is from Russia. Black as pitch, and it looks like it could eat you. It is in a recent Bond movie, no idea which one. As you are the pro from Dover, I will leave it to your very capable hands to find a photo and with luck details. Thanks Jago. My first request and probably the last. Love your channel.
You're not old, Mr Hazzard, just perfectly vintage, like fine wine...
For their size and 0-6-0 wheel layout, the Q1's are DEFINITELY the most powerful. Such a rarity for a British 0-6-0 to make it to the 5F bracket. I think only one 0-6-0 outmatched it at 6F, but that was purely for sheer tractive effort. Power measures strength and speed, and you wouldn't see one of them racing backwards at 60 mph like a Q1 could!
Also your reaction to the Class 373 Eurostar is exactly how I feel about the Acela trains we have on the Northeast Corridor. They started work the same year I was born and their replacements are already being delivered...
I'm not aware of any 6F 0-6-0s. I think the Q1s had the highest tractive effort of British 0-6-0s, with the ex-GER J20s in second place.
Interesting. I mostly knew Oerlikon (pronouced more like "Or" as in "this Or that" or as in "Iron Ore") as a prolific maker of anti-aircraft guns during the Second World War. I had no idea they supplied electric equipment for early commuter trains. By the sound of it, it sounds like a classic case of the LNWR wanting to stick with their "Good enough" policy, but also not wanting to potentially be left behind by progress. So they trialed some early electric stock on commuter service as an easy way to cut costs on generally low-profit services and also as an "Eh, in for a laugh" measure; if it took off nationwide, the groundwork to start from was there. If not, as pre-BR electrification largely didn't, then it could remain an isolated experiment, no harm no foul.
The Bulleid Q1's were the most powerful 0-6-0 goods engines ever built. They were also designed to be easy to maintain; to clean them one needed only to run them through a carriage wash. However, in addition to their unattractive features they also suffered from low braking capacity; because they only had 12 wheels of braking power, 6 driving wheels and 6 tender wheels, their power meant that they could often bite off more than they could chew, being unable to stop a heavy train once they got it going. As such, although they were technically capable of hauling the heaviest goods trains the Southern could throw at them, generally larger engines like the S15's or the WD Austerity 2-8-0's were preferred for the biggest trains.
You're wrong on German pronunciation. "Oe" is pronunced the same as "O umlaut", so it's more like "Er" as Jago had it. And I'm not sure the LNWR regarded their electrification as an experiment. It was the Midland and NER that experimented, with their Lancaster-Heysham and Shildon-Newport schemes.
yeah i did the exact same thing when i saw the eurostar recently
"Maschinenfabrik Örlikon" - you nailed it preatty good. :D
That 7A locomotive got me thinking. Did you ever here about the South African 15F locomotive that's on display in Glasgow's Riverside Museum, after she was brought back from Blomfontein?
Incidentally New Zealand had plenty of British-built engines besides the 'E' class Double Fairlie. One of them is the 'Y' class 0-6-0T, of which three examples were built by Hunslet in the 1920s. Y 542 is preserved, and she runs once a month at the Western Springs Railway in Auckland.
North British of Glasgow also built 16 'JA' class 4-8-2s for the North Island, while the South Island got 35 locally-built JAs instead. Sadly only one of the Scottish-built examples - JA 1275 - is preserved.
I have some footage of the 15F in my archive for the video! It’s an idea I’ve had for a while.
I have similar feelings about the Eurostar loco. The trains I got to work for my first job (class 365) have all gone and only part of one is preserved which makes me feel Ancient.
If I'm correct I believe the eurostar power unit was originally for the regional eurostar services.
i was just in old Sacramento and walked by the train museum. perfect day to go but lack of funds prevailed. however in a couple of days i will be returning in a couple of days and plan on visiting the museum then
I love the other videos as well but these type are my fave, but a Jago video always makes me smile.
I love the Shinkensen motor car, it is hard to believe it is so old. Also I love the back story to this "locomotive", in that Japanese Railways completely refurbished it so it was immaculate and perfect, had a Shinto Priest bless it and then sent a team of engineers with it to ensure it's display was perfect.
The Oerlikon motor car is iconic and reminds me of the 'Tait' EMU set occasionally run on the Melbourne, Australia network - lovely wooden coaches.
If I had a billion pounds, I couldn't spend it all on things I need or want, but I could drop a lot of it on charities and preserved railways. In the modern era of building brand new steam locomotives and speeding up the rebuilding of old ones, I would pay for the Q1 to be put back in steam. I remember it vividly on the Bluebell and if the NMR (or RM - seriously?) were adamant about keeping it as an inanimate display, I would pony up for someone to build another one. They are superb locos and suited the Bluebell perfectly.
Is the Double Fairlie a permanent exhibit at NMR? I know the Ff&WHR have the square one on display and is unlikely ever to steam again, but they can't really spare them, can they?
Q1 is one of the best engines ever built and I will die on this hill. I wish it still ran
I'll join you there, and we'll make a stand. One of these days I want to get a LGB size model of that engine 😄
I finished school in 1994, and next year is our 30th reunion. I feel you on your need for a lie-down.
Very Interesting to see Chinese and Japanese locomotives in the National Museum. I believe the last production Chinese steam locomotive is in Iowa USA, if you would like to ride it. Those of us that have steam in our blood really appreciate revisiting the National Museum in York, even if it it is only remotely.
The last Chinese steam locomotive built, SY1772, is preserved by its' previous operator, the Daxing Mining Company of Tiefa, Liaoning Province, China. In 2020 I travelled on the footplate of the loco.
My internal train nerd has been recharged again!
The Q1 ran on the Bluebell railway till its boiler certificate expired and was then retired to York
Love fact the Class 43 is a GWR one whilst LNER are the York serving TOC
I hope you feel better after the lie down. Classic Jago wit.
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that was almost spot on. 👍
There are a few good examples of locos built for export about, with one ex-South African North British loco in the Riverside museum in Glasgow, a Garratt from the same source in Summerlee in Coatbridge, and an 8F that was exported to Turkey in Bo'ness.
Nice one Jago! As a retired I.T. Consultant I (& my wife) did like your password joke!
For saying that you couldn't pronounce Maschinenfabrik Oerlikon, you did quite well. It's a long I in "Fabrik", so it doesn't sound like fabric, more like the ee in words like "reek".
The 'Oe' bit is the oo as in good, 'kon' is not the u in, well you know, but the o in tonne.
@@LeoStarrenburg Wouldn’t Oe be pronounced similarly to Ö?
@@simonro9168 It's the same. Perhaps the Swiss thought casting the Umlaut on the maker's plate would have been too fiddly or confused monolingual British folk. The Scottish loco builder Dübs & Co used the Umlaut in documents but their maker's plates were just plain Dubs.