great that you keep putting out innovative products. I really like the sheer simplicity and lack of worry over a can stuck to the muzzle device (or improperly installed and launching) .
I appreciate the xeno mount and am planning to make it my mount of choice. However, i do wish you would come out with a more low profile, shorter version. Preferably in milled titanium.
So I asked Forward Control Deisgns, not Deadair but hear me out, about that because I wanted a p/w 13.9 retro mutt abomination thing with their long birdcage Xeno device. According to them Xeno devices are shorter to deal with shorter blast chambers in a lot of cans, and the shorter length of the Xeno mount. I'm sure with the right can a p/w 13.9 length device would work, but thats likely the reason no ones going to make a long Xeno baring a magical exception or a company just making it for fun. Personally I'm not too broken up, I'll just run a 14.5 for a smidge more velocity and a smidge less concussion, but if you're set on a 13.9 youre gonna be stuck with Keymo if you stick with deadair mounts.
Do you think I’ll see a difference in accuracy if I use the keymo vs the xeno? I’m building a recce rifle 13.7” barrel. I don’t expect sub moa with it but I’m trying to make it as accurate as possible. Thoughts?
I know it's the wrong place but please - please! - do a *Micro Brake* in 13.5x1LH. Don't make me go out and buy a common-threaded ILWT MPX barrel just so I can use your *KeyMicro* 👌
I have a form 1 can and bought a xeno mount for it. I currently use the brake but I want to change my blast baffle spacing to the first baffle... So I need a xeno micro brake!!! Please soon
Check out Forward Control Designs, and possibly JMAC. FCD does an A2 birdcage Xeno and Keymo, budded the 6315 for Stoner 63/AR15, also is an 6310 for 30 cals.
I am pretty happy with the Keymo system and how well it locks up. This Xeno has peaked my interest. I like how the left handed threads tighten the adapter to the can. I just bought the DA451 for the Wolfman and I imagine the Xeno adapter will be just as expensive. My only concern with the Keymo system is the ability to put a Sandman S on a 9 mm firearm with a Keymo micro muzzle device. I doubt that I will make this mistake but I like idiot proof designs. Maybe using the Keymo only on 30 calibers and the Xeno on the larger calibers would be a good way to idiot proof the cans.
Excellent video guys! Mike always cracks me up with that dry humor! 😂 Also, Mike, can we get a brand, make, and model for that 3/4" thin-wrench you use? I'm assuming Snap-On? I would love one of those for installing your muzzle devices on bull-barrel rifles. 👍🏼
@@mikepappas6415 Thanks! You're the man Mike! Also, I just bought my 4th DA can tonight... Now I've got a Nomad-LT, Mask HD, Sandman-S, and one of the MIL contract FDE Sandman-S cans. 👍🏼
Please make a three prong Xeno flash hider like you do for the Keymo. A birdcage on an AK looks wrong. Bonus points if you make it in M26x1.5LH. I want to mount my Nomad to my zpap85.
I appreciate the video but I still wish the Xeno’s adapter wrench flats were half as long. If this adapter was skinnier I’d absolutely swap all of my Plan A’s. Great concept and idea though. Can’t please all of us I suppose.
I bought a Nomad 30 and its currently in ATF limbo. It will spend most of its time on a Sig Rattler in 300aac. I don't think I want quick detach due to the added weight and length. If I don't go direct thread, what would y'all recommend?
I have one of these and it is good. The keymo is great but the weight and length isnt the best. Xeno is great and left handed threads on the mount are so helpful for getting a hot can off without taking off your muzzle device or unthreading the can from the mount.
I got my Xeno in the mail a couple of days ago, but am starting to have second thoughts. My concern is that it might back off the threads like direct thread cans. I've heard that the taper mitigates that but haven't really found anyone with experience. Have you noticed it back off the mount or is it pretty solid?
@@rettcook6244 Its never backed off. The metal expands when it gets hot and locks it in. You will have to let it cool down before you can even get it off.
Dumb question speaking of Dead Air brakes, I have an Sandman L and cannot for the life of me remove the brake to clean it, is there a special tool or method that you use??
Mike is The Godfather of Silencers.
yes he is
great that you keep putting out innovative products. I really like the sheer simplicity and lack of worry over a can stuck to the muzzle device (or improperly installed and launching) .
Thank you!!
I just got a couple of xeno adapters in anticipation for my Sierra 5 can. I can't wait!
Excellent video...so glad 😃 I got a nomad!
Look at those tool boxes 😮
A year late watching this but since I have a bunch of Ke-mo stuff I've decided to start using them! Thanks for the tutorial!
Mike is the type of uncle that I wish was my dad.
I appreciate the xeno mount and am planning to make it my mount of choice. However, i do wish you would come out with a more low profile, shorter version. Preferably in milled titanium.
Fucking bravo, you guys hit this one out of the park and addressed every issue that I have with QD's with the Xeno.
@deadairsilencers what’s the moon wrench size you guys used to remove the suppressor?
Great job on this. Been waiting for this type of mount and brake.
Will there be a Xeno flash hider in 2.7' for P/W on 13.7-13.9?
So I asked Forward Control Deisgns, not Deadair but hear me out, about that because I wanted a p/w 13.9 retro mutt abomination thing with their long birdcage Xeno device.
According to them Xeno devices are shorter to deal with shorter blast chambers in a lot of cans, and the shorter length of the Xeno mount.
I'm sure with the right can a p/w 13.9 length device would work, but thats likely the reason no ones going to make a long Xeno baring a magical exception or a company just making it for fun.
Personally I'm not too broken up, I'll just run a 14.5 for a smidge more velocity and a smidge less concussion, but if you're set on a 13.9 youre gonna be stuck with Keymo if you stick with deadair mounts.
Are you going to make a short mount? I would switch from Plan B if you would...
Long Live Mike Pappas!
its literally impossible for mike not to be cool
We agree! haha
For real I love the dude more and more after each podcast I listen to 👌
Some please tell me you’ve found a solution to running the xeno mount on a SILENCERCO Charlie thread pattern
Can I put this one a 14.5 and pin and weld it?
Looks great. I'll be buying a primal as soon as they offer the xeno mount for my 458 socom.
Do you think I’ll see a difference in accuracy if I use the keymo vs the xeno? I’m building a recce rifle 13.7” barrel. I don’t expect sub moa with it but I’m trying to make it as accurate as possible. Thoughts?
Do the left hand threads also help prevent suppressor walk off?
I know it's the wrong place but please - please! - do a *Micro Brake* in 13.5x1LH. Don't make me go out and buy a common-threaded ILWT MPX barrel just so I can use your *KeyMicro* 👌
Can you run the xeno mount & mini break on bolt guns as big as 7 mag and 45-70? Or should you use the full size break,flashhider
You can use either one.
Hail Xeno!
amen
@@DeadAirSilencers Nomad Ti's on the Bonneville exhaust would have been awesome. Can they repair it and run some SPL tests?
Can we make a xeno adapter for the wolverine
Will the DA458 Xeno adapter fit a 1.125x28tpi?
I need one of those dead air arcteryx jackets. 😁
I have a form 1 can and bought a xeno mount for it. I currently use the brake but I want to change my blast baffle spacing to the first baffle...
So I need a xeno micro brake!!! Please soon
With it having a taper is there less of a poi shift
If they were available it would be great.
Check out Forward Control Designs, and possibly JMAC.
FCD does an A2 birdcage Xeno and Keymo, budded the 6315 for Stoner 63/AR15, also is an 6310 for 30 cals.
2:03 *Casually whips out $149 Snap-on combination wrench*
You didn’t notice the giant snap-on tool case behind him? The size of a wall.
I’ve already got them on my Bren 2 and Bergara HMR. Fantastic function!
Have a can in Jail. Leaning towards the Xeno system. Already have a few KeyMo flash hiders. But like the length and weight saving of the Xeno.
I am pretty happy with the Keymo system and how well it locks up. This Xeno has peaked my interest. I like how the left handed threads tighten the adapter to the can. I just bought the DA451 for the Wolfman and I imagine the Xeno adapter will be just as expensive.
My only concern with the Keymo system is the ability to put a Sandman S on a 9 mm firearm with a Keymo micro muzzle device. I doubt that I will make this mistake but I like idiot proof designs. Maybe using the Keymo only on 30 calibers and the Xeno on the larger calibers would be a good way to idiot proof the cans.
Hi Mike P., I like Machine Guns too!
Excellent video guys! Mike always cracks me up with that dry humor! 😂
Also, Mike, can we get a brand, make, and model for that 3/4" thin-wrench you use? I'm assuming Snap-On? I would love one of those for installing your muzzle devices on bull-barrel rifles. 👍🏼
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@@mikepappas6415 Thanks! You're the man Mike!
Also, I just bought my 4th DA can tonight... Now I've got a Nomad-LT, Mask HD, Sandman-S, and one of the MIL contract FDE Sandman-S cans. 👍🏼
Do you recommend applying antiseize or some kind of lubricant to the threads and taper portion ?
I never really have. Any type of oil would be fine.
Please make a three prong Xeno flash hider like you do for the Keymo. A birdcage on an AK looks wrong. Bonus points if you make it in M26x1.5LH. I want to mount my Nomad to my zpap85.
Old comment but have you seen JMAC customs? They make AKmuzzle-to-hub thread devices for all sorts of AK threads, from 14x1LH to 26mm(?) Krink stuff.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz I have jmac 26mm mount, but I stopped using the can on it because I have to remove the hub adapter every time
I appreciate the video but I still wish the Xeno’s adapter wrench flats were half as long. If this adapter was skinnier I’d absolutely swap all of my Plan A’s. Great concept and idea though. Can’t please all of us I suppose.
Know that's a toolbox
facts
He does know that it’s a toolbox. We all know it’s a toolbox.
@@DeadAirSilencersare you guys going to come out with a xeno mount in Charlie thread pitch so i Can finally convert everything to xeno?
I bought a Nomad 30 and its currently in ATF limbo. It will spend most of its time on a Sig Rattler in 300aac. I don't think I want quick detach due to the added weight and length. If I don't go direct thread, what would y'all recommend?
Xeno, Plan A or Plan B.
Fuck it. I'm sold on my key mo mounts. There dope.
I have one of these and it is good. The keymo is great but the weight and length isnt the best. Xeno is great and left handed threads on the mount are so helpful for getting a hot can off without taking off your muzzle device or unthreading the can from the mount.
I got my Xeno in the mail a couple of days ago, but am starting to have second thoughts. My concern is that it might back off the threads like direct thread cans. I've heard that the taper mitigates that but haven't really found anyone with experience.
Have you noticed it back off the mount or is it pretty solid?
@@rettcook6244 Its never backed off. The metal expands when it gets hot and locks it in. You will have to let it cool down before you can even get it off.
@@MSSynsyterGates thanks for the info!
Dumb question speaking of Dead Air brakes, I have an Sandman L and cannot for the life of me remove the brake to clean it, is there a special tool or method that you use??
Maybe warm it up a bit. If you damage the brake we can certainly replace it for you.
Whoever the marketing team is better leave money maker mike alone. He likes machine guns
can you use the xeno brake on AR's?
Anything
Want one for my Sandman
unfortunately its only made for our Nomad series right now.
@@DeadAirSilencers if you end up making a Sandman version I’d like that!
Any other companies doing xeno muzzles? You guys need more variety. Not a fan of the birdcage. Also, no mention of OSS?
Wish it was shorter.
I would sure would like a wolverine on my pap….. 3 years later still can’t get one ☝️….
I have more DeadAir Products then ARMS oh mi
No offense, but this video was as useful as diet croutons.