Rickson, master of invisible jiu-jitsu. I learn so much rolling with black-belts, because I can feel how they use and maneuver their weight, so I can't imagine what a gold mine rolling with Rickson would be.
Awesome stories. My teacher's teacher is a Rickson black belt, so we'd hear stories as well. Really wish there was more footage of him online. Thanks for the vid. Will have to remember that double collar choke over the defending hand!
This is so great, I had this idea I call "strategic pressure" which is both of exactly what Jack is saying. Actual pressure, but also requiring your partner to respond so they can't ever catch up with your game.
Stories are great. Lots of videos on TH-cam of people telling great BJJ stories. BJJ is part of a great Brazilian story telling tradition. I love the anecdotes about the Gracie's superpowers. They're my favourite ones.
Theres a third dan black belt near me from Brazil who got his BB under Roberto Godoi and he went to one of Ricksons clubs and watched him. Apparently he lined up a dozen hard ass BB and went through them all one by one. He then did it again this time telling them in advance how he would submit them, and he did. Ricksons problem was he spent too much time fighting pro wrestlers in Japan.
Your techniques professor Taufer i escape the arm bar and control them in my gaurd when i push the heels downward i saw you on budo Jake. Awesome how great they work im a blubelt and ive used these on upper belts and wow tjank you oss
Rickson is all that is man.... respect to one of the last standing warriors of the old world..🙏🙏 **Insert ricksons name in an overly used but witty chuck Norris joke here**
"When newborn Rickson had his first diaper put on him, it was red with 9 stripes on it." "Rickson's base is so strong, Cat 5 hurricanes approaching him change direction so they don't become a tropical storm." "Alligators on the hunt who cross paths with Rickson soon learn the existence of a "Rickson Roll."
😂😂… somehow these are even better to me with rickson in it.... Also I heard that ricksons favorite pair of cowboy boots were handcrafted out of real cowboys.. Good content by the way brother! Thank you! Seeing this reply actually reminded me to sub..👌🙏🙏✊️✊️
What every BJJ Competitor should say after winning a contest? "First of all, I would like to thank Rickson Gracie for not competing." "Rickson Gracie can choke you out with a cordless phone" "Rickson is the only weapon allowed through airport security"
Professor, people say unreal things about Rickson's bjj, can you share any personal dojo stories of Rickson rolling and tell what is so great about his bjj than the rest of the world?
As a fighter would you rather win against a nobody or lose to someone who has a big name.I Respect Renzo and Royce for stepping up to all fights ,they to me were true fighters in the gracie family,,not because of the wins but because of the fights they took.
How do you know they haven’t? Marcelo’s master (Fabio Gurgel) used to come to the US just to take privates from Rickson when I was still at Rickson’s Pico Studio.
@@KamaJiuJitsu I find what Chael said about his conversation with Royce interesting; Royce gave his opinion how Rickson would do against today's competition, and surprisingly Royce follows the competition circuit closely. (It's on Chael's channel).
I know there are a lot of haters no one wants to believe the stories but slowly but surely they are out lol keep em coming ive seen youre technique on budo Jake and i use them as they open for me thanks
Can't believe something we've never seen lol haters more like reasonable skeptics... even Helio himself denounced Rickson as someone who is liberal with hyperbole. The worship for him is silly for what is supposed to be the most legit practical martial art
Some people just look like they are lying when they tell stories and I feel like this guy is one of them. His body language is a little bizarre, but that doesnt mean the stories arent true. A real close friend of mine tells stories like this too.
@@jacktaufer6461 Just made my way back to this video lol and figured I should clarify. I'm not saying you are lying by any means. I saw some other comments that made accusations like that. I'm just saying that some people naturally tell stories in a way that makes them look like they are lying and that may be the case here.
Rickson he is the real deal period he deserve to be RED BELT he has proven to all how the effectiveness of BJJ in tradition way or sports and actual in the ring even outside the ring we know they are a lots of GRACIE’S family at Carlos SR.side and Helio side but if you will pick one only out of the Gracie’s family theirs only that is ELITE and unique which is the only one Best of the Best RICKSON GRACIE the son of HELIO GRACIE it’s just like theirs only one MICHAEL JORDAN you can’t compare them , sorry guys it’s my opinion.
Thats quite incredible. My question is how is it even possible? 2 years ago is pretty recent and from my understanding Ricksons back is shot and he most likely doesnt even roll that much. How does he easily destroy a young stud active fighter with super high level bjj. Im not hating or even questioning it. But, It just seems impossible.
+twice_baked potato, now you know why I say all the GM Rickson haters/skeptics really don't know what they're talking about. I know and have trained with this particular black belt in the story and NO ONE questions his legitimacy or his bona fides. Rickson was 56 then, BUSTED UP from a shoulder that can't seem to stay in socket, a back in so much pain he can't stand straight for longer than a few seconds, multiple knee injuries (Prof Dave was there for one of them), popped ribs (I was there in the studio when that one happened), and who knows what else. To this day, he continues to amaze black belts still in their prime. No one says he can trash them at 58, but his jiu-jitsu is THAT INCREDIBLE in that it enables him to do what he does to so many black belts even today.
I'll be honest 3 years ago when he came back his cardio was not too good. He would only roll with people he knew. Then as the year went on his cardio got better and better. His technique was always there. He teaching was the best I had ever seen. He really worked with every single student one on one. Anyway back to the rolling... He started training more and more. And he started training with anyone who came. He tapped them all. The next year he only taught one day a week. But he still rolled. Some days he would roll with people others he would just chill. But me and about 100 other people saw it first hand. He is that good.
That just amazes me. because I know bjj is technique, but when technique is equal , physical prowesness is the deciding factor. Could Ricksons technique be that much better than a current compititor that does nothing but train, when Ricksons injuries have made it so he really cant that much? i dont doubt it, but it is just amazing, thats all im saying. Its like a once in a lifetime, geniuous jiujitus mind and I guess rickson is it.
I remember as a purple belt I was working in San Diego for about 6 months and I got to train with Saulo and Xande Riberio. I watched those two DESTROY visiting black belts. It was amazing to watch. That being said, if you ask Saulo about his rolls with Rickson he will tell you that Rickson submitted him! (Actually Saulo mentions this in his book.) That is what is so incredible to me, the level of black belt is so wide. Its like the difference between white and black... There are black betls and then there is Rickson. It is not the level of physicality, its the refinement of technique.
I asked Prof Dave about the varying levels of black belts a couple years ago, and how there seems to be such a great disparity in the levels and abilities of the black belts. he said you have the "masses" in the group of black belts, that covers maybe 90-95% of the black belts. then you have the "elite" black belts, which would encompass the top level competitors/fighters/typical Gracie Family members. ...and then you have Rickson. haha!
So is Rickson still rolling even in this days? Last time I heard he had a pretty bad back and wasn't actively sparring anymore but you guys probably know better.
+Madmac79, Prof Dave said he still teaches privates sometimes, but not sure if he's rolling much these days. His body is majorly injured, from what I've been told.
Kama Jiu-Jitsu in the recent video of him being promoted to red belt by his brother, he was always hunched over and appeared uncomfortable and in pain. Poor guy. He's fought wars throughout his life weither in the streets and beaches of Brazil, to his Vale Tudo experiences. You can't expect him to exactly be healthy considering what he's been through. I feel bad for him.
+Martial Lashley, as far as I've known, he's "trained" with everyone who had asked, when he was in a training setting. Guys from Brazil (and others) would come into the studio to "learn from the master" (more like themselves against the master). He would train with all of them, no matter how big, strong, skilled, etc. He would always come out the victor, but oftentimes, it would come at s big physical price. GM Rickson is not a large guy by any standard.
Easily. But instead, ask Marcelinho’s professor, Fabio Gurgel, who would make regular visits to SoCal during his prime years just to train with Rickson.
Ok.. Maybe Rickson beats Marcello Garcia but I doubt it would be easy for him... Since the game has evolved do you think Rickson would beat the best in the game today? What about these top grapplers from Danaher Death Squad?
that's not what we're about. we know who it is. he knows who he is. it's not important for everyone to know who it is since the story is about Rickson, and not the latest "victim." some of us who have been the "victim" to Rickson's jiu-jitsu are happy laughing about the story. many have visited him with a chip on their shoulder thinking "he's all hype" only to find out he's the real deal. if they spent their entire career disparaging him (like you see in the comments of many of our videos or on the chatboards) to everyone who will listen only to get destroyed by a chronically injured and broken Rickson in his mid-late 50s, if that person's ego is huge, they wouldn't want everyone knowing it went down that way. we respect that.
So, Rickson Gracie has been retired from competition for almost 20 years, and he is still dominating dudes who are 25 or 30 years younger than him and actively competing? What a MONSTER. I wish that he would get bored and come out of retirement just for one tournament, just because he feels like being the oldest guy to ever win a tournament.🤣
He doesn’t train anymore these days. Just does an occasional private or two, is my thinking. And even then, is probably teaching and not actually “training.”
Ok here are 2 or 3 questions I have Always pondered, being that kama covers bjj history, I will add it on here. Was Relson even possibly bjj national champion for 22 years? And if so ...how? Relson was born in 53. Lets say he starts competing at 10, or 15. That would be the 1960s before ibjjf long before jjgf at just at the end of carlson reign and the start of Rolls. Doesnt seem right.then by the 70s Rolls Rickson and Carlihnos were the main fighters. I know Relsons good but wheres the record of any competition? Helio had a record from the 1930s...another random question is....why doesnt rorian ever roll? His sons are super legit, and Rorian played head instructor with Rolls back in the 60s. He must be atleast OK..obviously more a teacher than fighter
Rorion followed Helio's instruction, and believed that teaching was the ultimate expression of leadership. Every west coast old school jits black belt remembers Rorion in his garage on foldable mats spreading the gospel of GJJ. Rorion passed that down to his kids so now you see Ryron and Renee spreading the word around the world. It's amazing to see the explosion of BJJ just in the 30 years I have been following and rolling. And to see amazing teachers and practitioners like the Valente's, Pedro Sauer, Eddie Bravo, and the whole Gracie clan both Carlos and Helio's sides. I've travelled to 34 countries and have been able to find a solid school in almost every country. That word spread in large part due to Rorion and his approach to marketing and teaching, but he is still legit on the mat too, you just have to attend the Torrence academy to see it.
GM Rorion was legit as a fighter and is one of the best ever as a teacher. if he wasn't legit as a fighter, how do you think the SoCal Gracie Challenge matches would've gone (and therefore the success of the early Gracie Academy)? as far as GM Relson, in any age/weight class he was in, he was undefeated. you may not believe his accomplishments, but they wouldn't call him "Campeo" (Champion) and people would dispute calling him that. i've seen him called that, and i've seen no one say the nickname is not appropriate. as he told it to me, he and GM Rickson would be entered (as adults) in both the same weight class and the absolute, but on opposite sides of the bracket. they would meet in the finals, but never go up against each other. Relson would take the weight, Rickson the absolute (because he was the better of the two). as far as Rolls, he fought in a lighter weight class than them, but no doubt, he would kill them at the academy rolls.
@@KamaJiuJitsu well GM Rorion is definitely one of the best teachers in BJJ and has been doing it what? The late 60s? So I have no doubts about that. I think he is as legit as he needed to be to prove gjj effectiveness..but wouldnt call him exceptional (again my opinion only)...just ahead of the curve which theres nothing wrong with. You cant really compare him to the mma guys of his family, but that was never his goal anyway..without him alot of us wouldnt even be training for sure. Thats interesting what you say about relson and I totally believe it...I just wish there was more documentation on bjj prior to the 80s where you can see who really did what..for instance Carley also was apparently undefeated but seems to be the only 1 that talks about himself...his son Clark on the other hand as a monster grappler. Carlson Sr also only lost 1 fight ever but you can only get to see 1 of his valdemar fights. Would love to see mkre of the earlier stuff even with Helio or George.
people cal believe whatever they want about GM Rorion, but when he needed to win a fight, he won. GM Carley came to the US at a relatively young age. he is also pretty large for a family member of his generation. he could've been a legit monster during his time. i don't know, and i'm not in a position to say otherwise.
+Craig Babbitt, nah. The contract was signed and they were gtg. Once Rockson passed away, Rickson ended up retiring and moving back to Brazil. His reason to do the fight was for his son, who wanted him to do it badly. Once his son passed, he lost the incentive to do it. Call it what you want, but I seriously doubt Rickson was ducking Saku.
Never heard about the signed contract. I honestly think Rickson would have beat Saku, but the impression I always had from what I saw and heard was Rickson did not want that fight.
+Craig Babbitt it was commonly known/discussed in the Rickson "community." I wouldn't say that Rickson "did not want" to fight Saku. I think it was probably more that he "did not care" about fighting Saku. But it was important to Rockson, which is why it was slated to happen.
I see. Thanks for the extra information. Back then the internet wasn't what it is today and information on MMA like that was much harder to find. I have been a huge MMA fan since just before UFC #5 and I had not heard some of that information before.
No doubt Rickson has the best BJJ on the planet. I think the only 2 guys that come close are Roger and Marcelo. I think if all three are in their primes, Roger could win by points or tap. Marcelo only by points. But it would be a case where they all split wins and losses. That said, I think many of the stories from top level guys are embellished, because they have so much respect. I mean, come on. Who would really try to submit a 56 year old Rickson? He's a legend and I doubt anyone would overpower him, even if they could. It's the same as when Michael Jordan played against Dr. J. Jordan openly admits, he was so in awe, he couldn't do anything. Even so, Rickson is the epitome of BJJ and a true martial artist. I'm glad he is regarded as a legend.
Marcelo of today would have no chance against Rickson at the same age. shoot, he wouldn't have a chance against a 45 yr old Rickson. i'm not sure Marcelo would beat his master (Fabio Gurgel) at the same age. Or absolute world champ (and teammate) Roberto Traven, whom Rickson is known to have "played with."
No doubt Rickson was the top dog of his era, but he's no mythical creature who transcends the laws of physics. BJJ has evolved tremendously, there are a lot more people training BJJ today and the principles and tactics have been thoroughly analyzed by John Danaher and several other smart people to a far greater degree than any of the Gracies could have done before, which means the bar has been raised considerably. I very much doubt that Rickson in his prime could hang with the BJJ monsters that we have today.
I absolutely disagree. You should watch the Curious Case of Kron Gracie. You may have more athletic people today or not, but all that has evolved in Jiu Jitsu are a couple of new goofy guards and gimmicky subs and moves. Ricksons sense of balance and feel and his continuing mastery of the smallest details in movement and base of principles mean Rickson's JJ is also constanly evolving.
Totally true. If you’re on the chat boards. If you’ve EVER met him, or SEEN him training with or teaching, or if you were one who actually got to TRAIN with him... ...you’d say the naysayers are clueless. I say they’re just ignorant and don’t know any better. When you see black belts first hand get made to feel like white belts at today’s Rickson (or Dave Kama, for that matter) seminars, you’ll think differently, too.
Vaz-can you name these "legitimate" fighters who laugh at Rickson? Who do you think created the UFC? The Gracies. If not for the Gracies, particularly Rorion and Royce, there is no MMA. Rickson fought in PRIDE, another popular organization for its time, in Japan. For the last 17 years, I've never heard one MMA person "laugh" at Rickson.
I am sure some do, but definitely not all. GSP, Damien Maia, Nick and Nate Diaz, Kron, Macheta (spelling?) Paulo Filo, Nieman Gracie, all of the Renzo guys:... anyway I dont think your statment is entirely accurate.
Fictional stories from students about their masters are entertaining. Much like exaggerated flips by students from aikido master. Likely this "individual" let this aging master have his way out of respect.
LOOOOL you obviously have no idea how good Rickson actually is. My trainer (4 stripe black belt) told us about his experience rolling with Rickson, and his exact words were "he made me feel like a white belt"
I wish I could have trained with Rickson Gracie. To those that did train with the Grandmaster Rickson Gracie! Congrats. Keep the art alive!
+Lazaro Carreiro, you can still experience GM Rickson at one of his seminars!
@@KamaJiuJitsu does Rickson give private classes?
Rickson's sensibility is just on another level. I did a weekend seminar back in 1999 and learned more than all other training I'd ever done.
#MustangTown what do u mean bij sensibility? What did you do different after this seminar?
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I trained at The Gracie Academy in L.A. for two years with Rener and Ryron Gracie. They both said Rickson was the best Gracie.
Rickson, master of invisible jiu-jitsu. I learn so much rolling with black-belts, because I can feel how they use and maneuver their weight, so I can't imagine what a gold mine rolling with Rickson would be.
You should try it.
Awesome stories. My teacher's teacher is a Rickson black belt, so we'd hear stories as well. Really wish there was more footage of him online. Thanks for the vid. Will have to remember that double collar choke over the defending hand!
This is so great, I had this idea I call "strategic pressure" which is both of exactly what Jack is saying. Actual pressure, but also requiring your partner to respond so they can't ever catch up with your game.
I’ve grappled with Rickson a few times and he just makes it look so easy.
He is the best.
Stories are great. Lots of videos on TH-cam of people telling great BJJ stories. BJJ is part of a great Brazilian story telling tradition. I love the anecdotes about the Gracie's superpowers. They're my favourite ones.
Thanks for the stories. Jack's currently staying for a couple of weeks in my house in London and I just can't get enough of them!!! Great channel.
Liam!!!
Rickson is a huge reason started doing jiu jitsu this year
I wish there were more videos like this. Love hearing these Rickson stories
Control is an illusion. Great stories my teacher told me how great Rickson is pretty much same stories, he cant be touched. Keep up the good work.
+Country Boy Ogre who’s your teacher?
This guy looks like a right nerd and would put me to sleep in seconds never judge a book.
Haha! Thank you.
Truth
It's a new era watch out for nerd assassins...
Theres a third dan black belt near me from Brazil who got his BB under Roberto Godoi and he went to one of Ricksons clubs and watched him. Apparently he lined up a dozen hard ass BB and went through them all one by one. He then did it again this time telling them in advance how he would submit them, and he did.
Ricksons problem was he spent too much time fighting pro wrestlers in Japan.
Wait who went through the BB s?Erickson or your teacher at the seminar?
Wow 😳 That is amazing. Thanks for sharing 🙏🏼 I appreciate you taking the the time to talk about your experiences. Great stuff 👍🏼
Love these stories, Rickson is the man
Dude, I love your videos. Keep posting great content and I'll keep watching!!!
+John Way, oh, man, way to set the bar high!!
I would, but I believe there are at least 5 videos online that have been done. No need to wait to watch it. I can be watched immediately.
+Z31Rider so...
Thanks for sharing your stories!
Rickson is a BJJ Wizard 🙏🏿
Your techniques professor Taufer i escape the arm bar and control them in my gaurd when i push the heels downward i saw you on budo Jake. Awesome how great they work im a blubelt and ive used these on upper belts and wow tjank you oss
Thanks for telling me that! I love hearing that it works for people. Those videos were some of my favorite techniques.
Anyone else think this guy has the exact same voice as dominik cruiz?
Great stories! What a great opportunity to learn.
Rickson once choked Darth Vader from a TV screen on the other side of the universe.
Excellent stories. Thanks for sharing.
enjoyed your stories
I just enrolled my 8 year old son. 2hrs. 5days a week. He will be ready for the worlds.
Is he still doing it?
Awesome stories! Thanks for sharing!!!
Super cool, thanks for sharing!
Rickson is all that is man.... respect to one of the last standing warriors of the old world..🙏🙏
**Insert ricksons name in an overly used but witty chuck Norris joke here**
"When newborn Rickson had his first diaper put on him, it was red with 9 stripes on it."
"Rickson's base is so strong, Cat 5 hurricanes approaching him change direction so they don't become a tropical storm."
"Alligators on the hunt who cross paths with Rickson soon learn the existence of a "Rickson Roll."
😂😂… somehow these are even better to me with rickson in it....
Also I heard that ricksons favorite pair of cowboy boots were handcrafted out of real cowboys..
Good content by the way brother! Thank you! Seeing this reply actually reminded me to sub..👌🙏🙏✊️✊️
Mahalos, Kekoa!
What every BJJ Competitor should say after winning a contest?
"First of all, I would like to thank Rickson Gracie for not competing."
"Rickson Gracie can choke you out with a cordless phone"
"Rickson is the only weapon allowed through airport security"
Really enjoyed this vid and some of the SD talk in vids Let's all try to get together #KeepJiuJitsuReal
Great stories, thank you!
Professor, people say unreal things about Rickson's bjj, can you share any personal dojo stories of Rickson rolling and tell what is so great about his bjj than the rest of the world?
Great stories ..thanks
I love the quicksand analogy, you keep getting worse & worse & worse. Talking about Rickson always being one step ahead of you. Great story.
"Th-there...was no space" lmao
Anyone recommend a tutorial for the "three angles of pressure" the guy in the video mentions??
+Bibi Sabreen, we teach it here at the academy.
As a fighter would you rather win against a nobody or lose to someone who has a big name.I Respect Renzo and Royce for stepping up to all fights ,they to me were true fighters in the gracie family,,not because of the wins but because of the fights they took.
I would love to have seen Rickson vs Macarrão back in the days #Oss
Are they playing tennis in the background..?
+slamdunktiger, haha, yes. Great observation! Our CA academies are located in tennis clubs.
Kama Jiu-Jitsu awesome, Jiu jitsu and tennis, my kinda training facility :) where city is this in? Will have to visit
+slamdunktiger, that is out Irvine, CA location located in the Racquet Club of Irvine. 5 Ethel Coplen Way, Irvine CA
Great story
Does anyone know if there is a Rickson representative in the Rancho Cucamonga/909 area?
+Jits Guy, our Irvine campus is your nearest one.
I have two bucket list seminars left: Rickson and Draculino. I'd kill to train with either of those guys.
+gurumark10 both awesome!
A Kama Jiu Jitsu seminar would be ok too. ;)
you would LOVE a Dave Kama seminar. his next one will hopefully be near Philly before year end.
Cool rickson story
Thanks for the cool stories
Why oh why haven't Marcelo and Rickson gotten together for a friendly roll, no doubt millions would love to see that.
How do you know they haven’t?
Marcelo’s master (Fabio Gurgel) used to come to the US just to take privates from Rickson when I was still at Rickson’s Pico Studio.
@@KamaJiuJitsu cos Marcelo said they haven't ever.
Oh, well.
@@KamaJiuJitsu I find what Chael said about his conversation with Royce interesting; Royce gave his opinion how Rickson would do against today's competition, and surprisingly Royce follows the competition circuit closely. (It's on Chael's channel).
Saw it. 😉
Great stories but that music was doing my head in.
Do a video on how good is Sakuraba?
+Z31Rider you do one. We’ll watch it!
Great video.
Great Comment.
Haha, I was at work and running out the door. Did I just age myself. Anyone still use video??
@@chokeout412 VHS or Beta?!
The story at 3:00 made it sound like Rickson tapped.
Yea it was definitely not Rickson who tapped at that time. Sorry for my explanation!
I know there are a lot of haters no one wants to believe the stories but slowly but surely they are out lol keep em coming ive seen youre technique on budo Jake and i use them as they open for me thanks
Too true. So many doubters.
maybe if gracie didn't dodge Bas Rutten people wouldn't blow him off as a hack.
ChiprocABC 80s Jack Taufer's techniques or Kama?
Can't believe something we've never seen lol haters more like reasonable skeptics... even Helio himself denounced Rickson as someone who is liberal with hyperbole. The worship for him is silly for what is supposed to be the most legit practical martial art
+Onslo Parker, yeah, saw that clip on Helio on Rickson. I saw the list of names on his record. That list, while technically true, I was like, uhhhh...
Its more difficult to break my guard lol i end up breaking their posture amazing details
What's up with the weird 80s computer music?
Some people just look like they are lying when they tell stories and I feel like this guy is one of them. His body language is a little bizarre, but that doesnt mean the stories arent true. A real close friend of mine tells stories like this too.
Lol
Damn it, you caught me. I made them all up. But to be honest my body language is a bit animated. Cheers brother.
It’s all fable......
@@jacktaufer6461 Just made my way back to this video lol and figured I should clarify. I'm not saying you are lying by any means. I saw some other comments that made accusations like that. I'm just saying that some people naturally tell stories in a way that makes them look like they are lying and that may be the case here.
@@connerhartman9336 no worries. I hadn't thought twice about it until now.
Somebody told me a while back rickson walk past Chuck Norris and looked at them and Chuck was choked out
This is awesome.
Rickson he is the real deal period he deserve to be RED BELT he has proven to all how the effectiveness of BJJ in tradition way or sports and actual in the ring even outside the ring we know they are a lots of GRACIE’S family at Carlos SR.side and Helio side but if you will pick one only out of the Gracie’s family theirs only that is ELITE and unique which is the only one Best of the Best RICKSON GRACIE the son of HELIO GRACIE it’s just like theirs only one MICHAEL JORDAN you can’t compare them , sorry guys it’s my opinion.
I which we could see him roll
Here he is sparring Corral Belt Pedro Sauer. Pedro is a Jiu-Jitsu machine: th-cam.com/video/TM4YsEFXOlI/w-d-xo.html
Thanks adaptiveagile I hadn't seen that vid before... and I'm wondering why no more comments from Spirit Splice
Great!
No you! - Rusty
Dave Kama is only a 4th Degree?
That’s what GM Rickson says, so yes.
Am i even slightly right in saying "rolling" is like a game of chess?
it is.
Boxing is like checkers. JJ is like chess.
I heard Rickison's student Henry Akins tapped this special ops guy who was beastly athletic. He had both hands tied in his belt while he did it, lol
That’s a common thing the Rickson guys would do. I’ve been a “victim” of that from GM Rickson and Prof Dave many times.
Thats quite incredible. My question is how is it even possible? 2 years ago is pretty recent and from my understanding Ricksons back is shot and he most likely doesnt even roll that much. How does he easily destroy a young stud active fighter with super high level bjj. Im not hating or even questioning it. But, It just seems impossible.
+twice_baked potato, now you know why I say all the GM Rickson haters/skeptics really don't know what they're talking about. I know and have trained with this particular black belt in the story and NO ONE questions his legitimacy or his bona fides. Rickson was 56 then, BUSTED UP from a shoulder that can't seem to stay in socket, a back in so much pain he can't stand straight for longer than a few seconds, multiple knee injuries (Prof Dave was there for one of them), popped ribs (I was there in the studio when that one happened), and who knows what else. To this day, he continues to amaze black belts still in their prime. No one says he can trash them at 58, but his jiu-jitsu is THAT INCREDIBLE in that it enables him to do what he does to so many black belts even today.
I'll be honest 3 years ago when he came back his cardio was not too good. He would only roll with people he knew. Then as the year went on his cardio got better and better. His technique was always there. He teaching was the best I had ever seen. He really worked with every single student one on one. Anyway back to the rolling... He started training more and more. And he started training with anyone who came. He tapped them all. The next year he only taught one day a week. But he still rolled. Some days he would roll with people others he would just chill. But me and about 100 other people saw it first hand. He is that good.
That just amazes me. because I know bjj is technique, but when technique is equal , physical prowesness is the deciding factor. Could Ricksons technique be that much better than a current compititor that does nothing but train, when Ricksons injuries have made it so he really cant that much? i dont doubt it, but it is just amazing, thats all im saying. Its like a once in a lifetime, geniuous jiujitus mind and I guess rickson is it.
I remember as a purple belt I was working in San Diego for about 6 months and I got to train with Saulo and Xande Riberio. I watched those two DESTROY visiting black belts. It was amazing to watch. That being said, if you ask Saulo about his rolls with Rickson he will tell you that Rickson submitted him! (Actually Saulo mentions this in his book.) That is what is so incredible to me, the level of black belt is so wide. Its like the difference between white and black... There are black betls and then there is Rickson.
It is not the level of physicality, its the refinement of technique.
I asked Prof Dave about the varying levels of black belts a couple years ago, and how there seems to be such a great disparity in the levels and abilities of the black belts. he said you have the "masses" in the group of black belts, that covers maybe 90-95% of the black belts. then you have the "elite" black belts, which would encompass the top level competitors/fighters/typical Gracie Family members.
...and then you have Rickson.
haha!
So is Rickson still rolling even in this days? Last time I heard he had a pretty bad back and wasn't actively sparring anymore but you guys probably know better.
+Madmac79, Prof Dave said he still teaches privates sometimes, but not sure if he's rolling much these days. His body is majorly injured, from what I've been told.
Kama Jiu-Jitsu in the recent video of him being promoted to red belt by his brother, he was always hunched over and appeared uncomfortable and in pain. Poor guy. He's fought wars throughout his life weither in the streets and beaches of Brazil, to his Vale Tudo experiences. You can't expect him to exactly be healthy considering what he's been through. I feel bad for him.
Paul Daluz He over did it. It made him a genius but his body suffered.
+Martial Lashley, as far as I've known, he's "trained" with everyone who had asked, when he was in a training setting. Guys from Brazil (and others) would come into the studio to "learn from the master" (more like themselves against the master). He would train with all of them, no matter how big, strong, skilled, etc. He would always come out the victor, but oftentimes, it would come at s big physical price. GM Rickson is not a large guy by any standard.
Madmac79 He is very selective with who he rolls with and how often he rolls. He does still roll but on a very limited basis.
That MMA fighter sounds like Ryan Hall .... I'm just taking a shot in the dark, but I think that it's a great guess.
Wasn't Hall but good guess.
Based on what you said about his guard I’m guessing Xande?
Do you think Rickson in his prime could beat Marcello Garcia??
Easily. But instead, ask Marcelinho’s professor, Fabio Gurgel, who would make regular visits to SoCal during his prime years just to train with Rickson.
Easy
Ok.. Maybe Rickson beats Marcello Garcia but I doubt it would be easy for him... Since the game has evolved do you think Rickson would beat the best in the game today? What about these top grapplers from Danaher Death Squad?
@@truthhurtsbuthealz834 Simple answer - Yes. Probably only Roger Gracie would be tough.
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Rickson makes his opponents looks like White Belts
Why don't you say who the guy was?
Richard Yu sounds like BJ Penn?
Richard Yu I know who it was. I was there that day
Actually that sounds like a solid guess.
that's not what we're about. we know who it is. he knows who he is. it's not important for everyone to know who it is since the story is about Rickson, and not the latest "victim." some of us who have been the "victim" to Rickson's jiu-jitsu are happy laughing about the story. many have visited him with a chip on their shoulder thinking "he's all hype" only to find out he's the real deal. if they spent their entire career disparaging him (like you see in the comments of many of our videos or on the chatboards) to everyone who will listen only to get destroyed by a chronically injured and broken Rickson in his mid-late 50s, if that person's ego is huge, they wouldn't want everyone knowing it went down that way. we respect that.
Kudos to you for taking the moral high road. It's something we can all learn from the gentle art, along with patience (LOTS of it!)
why would you be bummed out being beaten by Rickson Gracie .... i mean come on
With both hands tied in his belt while “calling” his sub?! Well, I said, “I bet you can’t...,” and he did anyway... no hands.
So, Rickson Gracie has been retired from competition for almost 20 years, and he is still dominating dudes who are 25 or 30 years younger than him and actively competing?
What a MONSTER.
I wish that he would get bored and come out of retirement just for one tournament, just because he feels like being the oldest guy to ever win a tournament.🤣
He doesn’t train anymore these days. Just does an occasional private or two, is my thinking. And even then, is probably teaching and not actually “training.”
Invisible jiu jitsu!
The only person that's on ricksons level is gokar chivichian ... that would be a great match up ...
Not even close.
Ok here are 2 or 3 questions I have Always pondered, being that kama covers bjj history, I will add it on here.
Was Relson even possibly bjj national champion for 22 years? And if so ...how? Relson was born in 53. Lets say he starts competing at 10, or 15. That would be the 1960s before ibjjf long before jjgf at just at the end of carlson reign and the start of Rolls. Doesnt seem right.then by the 70s Rolls Rickson and Carlihnos were the main fighters. I know Relsons good but wheres the record of any competition? Helio had a record from the 1930s...another random question is....why doesnt rorian ever roll? His sons are super legit, and Rorian played head instructor with Rolls back in the 60s. He must be atleast OK..obviously more a teacher than fighter
Rorion followed Helio's instruction, and believed that teaching was the ultimate expression of leadership. Every west coast old school jits black belt remembers Rorion in his garage on foldable mats spreading the gospel of GJJ. Rorion passed that down to his kids so now you see Ryron and Renee spreading the word around the world. It's amazing to see the explosion of BJJ just in the 30 years I have been following and rolling. And to see amazing teachers and practitioners like the Valente's, Pedro Sauer, Eddie Bravo, and the whole Gracie clan both Carlos and Helio's sides. I've travelled to 34 countries and have been able to find a solid school in almost every country. That word spread in large part due to Rorion and his approach to marketing and teaching, but he is still legit on the mat too, you just have to attend the Torrence academy to see it.
GM Rorion was legit as a fighter and is one of the best ever as a teacher. if he wasn't legit as a fighter, how do you think the SoCal Gracie Challenge matches would've gone (and therefore the success of the early Gracie Academy)?
as far as GM Relson, in any age/weight class he was in, he was undefeated. you may not believe his accomplishments, but they wouldn't call him "Campeo" (Champion) and people would dispute calling him that. i've seen him called that, and i've seen no one say the nickname is not appropriate.
as he told it to me, he and GM Rickson would be entered (as adults) in both the same weight class and the absolute, but on opposite sides of the bracket. they would meet in the finals, but never go up against each other. Relson would take the weight, Rickson the absolute (because he was the better of the two).
as far as Rolls, he fought in a lighter weight class than them, but no doubt, he would kill them at the academy rolls.
@@KamaJiuJitsu well GM Rorion is definitely one of the best teachers in BJJ and has been doing it what? The late 60s? So I have no doubts about that. I think he is as legit as he needed to be to prove gjj effectiveness..but wouldnt call him exceptional (again my opinion only)...just ahead of the curve which theres nothing wrong with. You cant really compare him to the mma guys of his family, but that was never his goal anyway..without him alot of us wouldnt even be training for sure. Thats interesting what you say about relson and I totally believe it...I just wish there was more documentation on bjj prior to the 80s where you can see who really did what..for instance Carley also was apparently undefeated but seems to be the only 1 that talks about himself...his son Clark on the other hand as a monster grappler. Carlson Sr also only lost 1 fight ever but you can only get to see 1 of his valdemar fights. Would love to see mkre of the earlier stuff even with Helio or George.
people cal believe whatever they want about GM Rorion, but when he needed to win a fight, he won. GM Carley came to the US at a relatively young age. he is also pretty large for a family member of his generation. he could've been a legit monster during his time. i don't know, and i'm not in a position to say otherwise.
Great Jiu-Jitsu fighter no doubt. However, he ducked Sakaraba we all remember that.
+Craig Babbitt, nah. The contract was signed and they were gtg. Once Rockson passed away, Rickson ended up retiring and moving back to Brazil. His reason to do the fight was for his son, who wanted him to do it badly. Once his son passed, he lost the incentive to do it. Call it what you want, but I seriously doubt Rickson was ducking Saku.
Never heard about the signed contract. I honestly think Rickson would have beat Saku, but the impression I always had from what I saw and heard was Rickson did not want that fight.
+Craig Babbitt it was commonly known/discussed in the Rickson "community." I wouldn't say that Rickson "did not want" to fight Saku. I think it was probably more that he "did not care" about fighting Saku. But it was important to Rockson, which is why it was slated to happen.
I see. Thanks for the extra information. Back then the internet wasn't what it is today and information on MMA like that was much harder to find. I have been a huge MMA fan since just before UFC #5 and I had not heard some of that information before.
He ducked bas rutten...and that was before saku,..
There'll forever be an asterisk because he never fought Saku
Says who? You, a keyboard warrior? Your logic is flawed.
Wow. It's the things you don't see.
"I preach the invisible jiu-jitsu." - Rickson Gracie
No doubt Rickson has the best BJJ on the planet. I think the only 2 guys that come close are Roger and Marcelo. I think if all three are in their primes, Roger could win by points or tap. Marcelo only by points. But it would be a case where they all split wins and losses.
That said, I think many of the stories from top level guys are embellished, because they have so much respect. I mean, come on. Who would really try to submit a 56 year old Rickson? He's a legend and I doubt anyone would overpower him, even if they could. It's the same as when Michael Jordan played against Dr. J. Jordan openly admits, he was so in awe, he couldn't do anything.
Even so, Rickson is the epitome of BJJ and a true martial artist. I'm glad he is regarded as a legend.
Marcelo of today would have no chance against Rickson at the same age. shoot, he wouldn't have a chance against a 45 yr old Rickson. i'm not sure Marcelo would beat his master (Fabio Gurgel) at the same age. Or absolute world champ (and teammate) Roberto Traven, whom Rickson is known to have "played with."
What is that godawful noise in the background?
prolly tennis!!! horrible!
No doubt Rickson was the top dog of his era, but he's no mythical creature who transcends the laws of physics. BJJ has evolved tremendously, there are a lot more people training BJJ today and the principles and tactics have been thoroughly analyzed by John Danaher and several other smart people to a far greater degree than any of the Gracies could have done before, which means the bar has been raised considerably. I very much doubt that Rickson in his prime could hang with the BJJ monsters that we have today.
I absolutely disagree. You should watch the Curious Case of Kron Gracie. You may have more athletic people today or not, but all that has evolved in Jiu Jitsu are a couple of new goofy guards and gimmicky subs and moves. Ricksons sense of balance and feel and his continuing mastery of the smallest details in movement and base of principles mean Rickson's JJ is also constanly evolving.
Of course it’s not gonna work againts Rickson. He’s like one of the best fighters in history. Its like trying to fight Bruce Lee.
Bruce Lee wasnt a fighter.
@@cuzz63 i see, i guess you mean Bruce Lee was more of a dancer, or a singer?!
I’ve heard rickson is a myth.... not saying he’s shit just not all that he’s made out to be
Totally true.
If you’re on the chat boards.
If you’ve EVER met him, or SEEN him training with or teaching, or if you were one who actually got to TRAIN with him...
...you’d say the naysayers are clueless.
I say they’re just ignorant and don’t know any better.
When you see black belts first hand get made to feel like white belts at today’s Rickson (or Dave Kama, for that matter) seminars, you’ll think differently, too.
Dam who do you guys think the fighter was?!
Andre Galvao...
Arona is not known for his guard, he is best known for his top game, I think the fighter is Paulo Filho.
Maybe bj penn
I'd guess at bj penn? His guard is pretty much unpassable
Rick son did not accept a fight from bad rutten.
+Moon Light, should he have?
Only fight people they can beat.....good business move.
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I’ve heard Rickson is a myth.....
Overhyped.
Rickson Gracie wouldn’t last long against today’s fighters.
Wrong, but ok.
All legitimate MMA fighters laugh at Rickson.
Vaz-can you name these "legitimate" fighters who laugh at Rickson? Who do you think created the UFC? The Gracies. If not for the Gracies, particularly Rorion and Royce, there is no MMA. Rickson fought in PRIDE, another popular organization for its time, in Japan. For the last 17 years, I've never heard one MMA person "laugh" at Rickson.
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Wanderlei Silva.... Gracie's co-created the UFC, not MMA you potato head.
@@Vazcular Yes, and the popularity of the UFC is what grew MMA. MMA would not be where it is today if not for the Gracies creating the UFC.
I am sure some do, but definitely not all. GSP, Damien Maia, Nick and Nate Diaz, Kron, Macheta (spelling?) Paulo Filo, Nieman Gracie, all of the Renzo guys:... anyway I dont think your statment is entirely accurate.
Why aren't you laughing?
Fictional stories from students about their masters are entertaining. Much like exaggerated flips by students from aikido master. Likely this "individual" let this aging master have his way out of respect.
+fitnesspoint2006 👌😉
You caught me. I'm not even a black belt.
fitnesspoint2006 Dork! Dummy up you mindslave easily led and thought for dumbed down minion of the one eye!
even paulo filho taht is not his student, told that he cant do shit with rickson
LOOOOL
you obviously have no idea how good Rickson actually is.
My trainer (4 stripe black belt) told us about his experience rolling with Rickson, and his exact words were "he made me feel like a white belt"