@@westerntui yes, but taxpayers bailed out Ford, also..in a different way...if you took away 2/3 of those vast fleets of Fords bought with government tax dollars...municipalities, law enforcement, utilities, state governments, federal government,fire departments, ambulance services, etc...and distributed a third to GM and a third to Chrysler, then Ford may well have needed "taxpayer bailout" as well.....
It worked great as long as you weren't far from the dealership for repairs. Most were removed and a 4GC carb and intake were installed. It went away like the TurboGlide transmission.......
@4 gauge, actually it was Buick that was the first building block of GM when it was founded in 1908. GM acquired Oldsmobile a few months later that year.
Note starting at 4:05 the early model 210 four door hardtop with the rear view mirror mounted on the dashboard, also no radio or clock. It was soon repositioned tot he top of the windshield like all other models.
Today's auto motors are wonders of power and economy. Sensors and electronic brains have had a large part in this. What developments of fuels and motors are yet to be discovered. More mpg and power!
Yes, today's cars ARE more efficient and powerful, I'd add that they would also be safer IF they didn't include an "infotainment" system in the dash and "video game" controls like iDrive, LOL! PS: At the risk of pissing off others' my age and older- Today's cars last LONGER.- Yep, There, I said it! When I was a kid, (1970's) It was a "treat" to see a 30s,40s or even a 50s car on the street. Today It's nothing to see a 80s 90s or 00s in daily use. 100,000 miles used to be DEATH for a car, Now, That's when you MIGHT check the spark plugs!
@Selim Sultan Akbar Yeah, dude. Calm down, I WAS kidding.😀 I actually agree with you. Today's cars ARE much better. I do wish we had the STYLING of the old cars though 😊
@tom thumb what would be your definition of NON-JUNK? Don't say earlier cars, because that statement would out your ignorance of all automobiles in general.
GM was created by Durant using Buick as the base, Louis Chevrolet drove for Buick as a race driver, Buick had an OHV engine, Chevrolet adopted OHV. Buick and Chevrolet also used the enclosed "Torque Tube" type of driveshaft (As opposed to an open shaft.) Chevrolet and Buick are the real "blood brothers" at GM! Cadillac, Oldsmobile and Oakland (Pontiac) were bought by Durant to complete GM, But the Buick-Chevrolet brotherhood was strong for decades after: Chevy's Powerglide owed more to Buick's Dyanaflow than to Oldsmobile's Hydramatic. Interesting how long every other GM division was BEHIND Buick and Chevrolet with OHV!. Cadillac in 1948, Pontiac in 1954 for example were still sporting "flatheads". Buick had OHV in 1904! (First in the world to mass produce an OHV engine.) Chevy in 1917! - Boggles the mind!
@@jamesslick4790 Yeah !!! And that chevy motor is holding a fishing boat in place on some lake somewhere. Or maybe they just threw it over. Just like all other Chevy motors. OH !!!! how things NEVER change.
It is an incredible piece of art. Injects fuel into the air pipe increasing the pressure. Simulates a jet engine. Far superior to a belt compressor. The problem is that gasoline today costs 10 times more than in 1957.
A great idea. Too bad it was so expensive and had some issues. Fast forward to today and we have those awful stop / start systems. My goal in life is to never own a car with that feature. Gonna have to buy used vehicles I guess.
it did have it share of problems, most times than not GM cars that did come with the early fuel injection had it converted to carburetors (main issue is believed to be it cost too much to service)... fuel injection in the early days was seen as a premium option..
@@dunhillsupramk3 No ordinary, small town mechanics would touch a F.I. motor back then. Only a Chevy guy could be trusted working on it. Which is why they scrapped FI in everything but the Corvette soon after, then they scrapped it on the Corvette.
+Michael Wilhelm, that system was the Bendix Electrojector system. Only a small number of the 300Ds had this system, and nagging problems forced owners of those cars to have four-barrel carburetors installed.
To state the "perfection" of their fuel injection system was a bold mistake because these early systems were rife with problems. Abandoned after a short run they only perfected fuel injection decades later. These old mechanical injections were tolerable but not reliable enough for the average gear head.
They tried the same thing in the 327 Corvette engines. It didn't last too long because fuel injection was a $300 option (back then) and you would pick up 10 extra horsepower with a single four barrel Holey carburetor
Actually, the first fuel injected small block Chevy was the 1957 283ci, the 283 & 327 ci fuel injected Corvette engines had the MOST available power available, more than the single & dual 4 barrel carb options of the day
So they had multiport fuel injection in the 50s. Why did it take near half a decade for someone to start using it again? This guy is describing exactly what we'd call MPFI today just without any computers involved.
He was the house "voice" for the Jam Handy organization that made hundreds of what we would now call infomercials for Chevy, as well as hundreds more for hundreds of other companies. I wouldn't be surprised if he voiced over a thousand industrial films. The Jam Handy film library ended up at the Internet Archive, and so almost every Chevy film you will see on TH-cam from that era is one of his. But this is a distorted picture, there were hundreds of other film announcers in that era. The announcers mostly had an upper-Midwest accent as that we determined by research to be most acceptable to the widest selection of Americans. Now the standard voice has to sound like someone from Hollywood. The principle is the same: don't offend your potential customers before they buy your product.
Pontiac was way ahead of Chevy in their modern thin-wall V8 designs. Zora's infamous "youth of America" letter to Chevy & GM brass sped up Chevy's development program, causing them to have to 'borrow' some ideas from Pontiac, like ball-stud rocker arms, rear-mounted cam-driven distributor driving the oil pump, 1-piece intake manifold, and eventually the disposable oil filter. Rochester had a fully operational fuel injection system for Pontiac when Chevy cried demanding GM's "premier car", the Corvette, get it first, causing Pontiac not to get FI until 1958.
..showing the way fuel is injected into jet engines, etc....but no mention that the Germans had fuel injection in WW2 on piston aircraft engines... Daimler Benz DB 601/605 , Junkers Jumo 211 and 213 series, BMW 801 radial...maybe others....
So did the US the radial engines on the heavy bombers were fi The P51 Mustang had a Rolls Royce fi 12cylinder the P47 Thunderbolt was fi And a bunch more I'm forgetting
@@ASmallThorn Uh, NO...None of the U.S./British bombers were fuel injected..the R-2800 radials on the P-47, and the other aircraft that used R-2800's, were not fuel injected...neither was the Merlin V-1650 V-12, nor the Allison V-1710..in fact, none of the production allied WW2 engines were fuel injected. They used carburetors, most "pressure" carburetors. The heavy bombers, the P-47, and the P-38 WERE turbocharged..most of the others, including the Merlin, used mechanical superchargers...somebody apparently gave somebody else some bad information...
@@dyer2cycle Maybe we will agree to disagree From a simple web search Granted the US didn't use multiport injection, it was a throttle body for lack of a better term "Those engines didn't use carburetors as in gravity operated float carburetors. They used "pressure carburetors". Pressure carbs are mechanical fuel injection systems that inject the fuel from a single point at the start of the manifold instead of injecting fuel at the intake port via a distribution system. Not quite as theoretically efficient as point fuel injection, but it has all the other advantages including automatic mixture control and no G sensitivity, as well as being less sensitive to damage by not having small high pressure fuel lines running to each cylinder."
The "bean counters" at GM sold it to BOSCH instead of investing money in R&D. By 1968 it was sold on fastback and squareback VWs, coupled to an analog computer. Americans of the fifties couldn't give a shit about engineering !
This FI system was a failure, GM replaced the with 2-4 bbl carbs on a hi rise manifold, and was forced to refund customers cost. In 1955, GM introduced the new 265 Turbojet V-8 without an oil filter, resulting in the loss of many engines. Ford pounced with an ad comparing their V-8's reliability to Chevy's. All to save $2.12.
GM did not build very good cars compared to the other manufactures cant tell you how many of them would break and they also put terrible suspension under there vehicles
The REAL GT-40 was built by ford in 1964, to race against and BEAT Ferrari in the 24 hours of Lemans. ford did a remarkable job that year by coming in 1,2,3. The ford GT-40 II, was a limited run, like the limited thunderbird. Both of them weak sisters made only to create low production, high dollar classics.
For those who are wiping the slobber off your chin, take a look at this: th-cam.com/video/nN8F0e6DNDg/w-d-xo.html Might want to have another napkin handy.... BTW, look at what is in the left bay of the garage.
I'm a GM gut but today I'd take any of the "low priced three" from '57, But If I was around in '57 and looking at them as NEW cars, I'd be damned hard to be talked out of the Plymouth, Just by the styling alone!
What's funny...Is that the 49' Oldsmobile rocket 88 was faster than the 57 fuel injected Chevy...LOL!!. Then General Motors being the not smart enough to be brain dead company that it is decides to destroy the company that built General Motors... Oldsmobile division.Oldsmobile invented all the current engines that General Motors uses now, (3800 series) if it wasn't for Oldsmobile, there wouldn't be a General Motors today!!. This company also invented turbocharging that General Motors uses on the Cadillac that you presently have now...And the biggest issue is General Motors still can't build a very good engine in spite of Oldsmobiles conerstone engine (3800 series) it keeps failing in front of Ford Motor Company,Toyota and Honda. Oh well,nothing new here. As long as the FALSE belief exist,I guess General Motors will always exist.
4 gauge A 1955-57 Chevy with either 4 barrel, 2x4 barrel carbs or fuel injection would run circles around a 49 Olds. I like the Olds but the small block Chevy was a huge leap forward. Also the Olds was only 303 CI, not much bigger than the 283 Chevy in a MUCH heavier car.
+Edward Pate. sorry,I was 14 years old when this car was built and I've seen our 49'Oldsmobile that my dad had,easily beat this fuel-injected P.O.S.first hand with at least a 3-4 foot ball field head start.Olds was always experimenting and built cars that were considerably faster then Chevy.Chevy,Buick,Pontiac in modern times used the 3800 series engine due to Olds research/development was much more involved then any other G.M.division.
Some of the very best inventions were from this era of time.
Yeah but NOT from the US manufacturers
Small block Chevrolet V8....born in 1955, still alive today!
Yepppers! Just like the Zippo lighter. Somethings are just perfect! If it ain't broke, Don't "fix" it!
Yea thanks to the taxpayers bailing them out lol.
and still as highly inefficient as ever before
@@westerntui yes, but taxpayers bailed out Ford, also..in a different way...if you took away 2/3 of those vast fleets of Fords bought with government tax dollars...municipalities, law enforcement, utilities, state governments, federal government,fire departments, ambulance services, etc...and distributed a third to GM and a third to Chrysler, then Ford may well have needed "taxpayer bailout" as well.....
Only the best
People had long attention spans back then.
BooBoo Bear: tl;dr 🤣
It worked great as long as you weren't far from the dealership for repairs. Most were removed and a 4GC carb and intake were installed. It went away like the TurboGlide transmission.......
@4 gauge, actually it was Buick that was the first building block of GM when it was founded in 1908. GM acquired Oldsmobile a few months later that year.
Yep, Durant started GM with Buick, buying in Oldsmobile,Cadillac and Chevrolet.
Note starting at 4:05 the early model 210 four door hardtop with the rear view mirror mounted on the dashboard, also no radio or clock. It was soon repositioned tot he top of the windshield like all other models.
Yeah, That dash mounted mirror is MoPar-ish!
Mid range barely equipped model with fuel injection, kinda weird.
Today's auto motors are wonders of power and economy. Sensors and electronic brains have had a large part in this. What developments of fuels and motors are yet to be discovered. More mpg and power!
Yes, today's cars ARE more efficient and powerful, I'd add that they would also be safer IF they didn't include an "infotainment" system in the dash and "video game" controls like iDrive, LOL! PS: At the risk of pissing off others' my age and older- Today's cars last LONGER.- Yep, There, I said it! When I was a kid, (1970's) It was a "treat" to see a 30s,40s or even a 50s car on the street. Today It's nothing to see a 80s 90s or 00s in daily use. 100,000 miles used to be DEATH for a car, Now, That's when you MIGHT check the spark plugs!
@Selim Sultan Akbar Yeah, dude. Calm down, I WAS kidding.😀 I actually agree with you. Today's cars ARE much better. I do wish we had the STYLING of the old cars though 😊
@Selim Sultan Akbar I am not sure if I am having a stroke right now or if you are, but. OK 👌
@tom thumb what would be your definition of NON-JUNK? Don't say earlier cars, because that statement would out your ignorance of all automobiles in general.
@curbozer Boomer Yep, I'm old enough to remember when TV shows were in Black and white, but cars were in color. It's the opposite now 😂
1917 Chevrolet's first overhead valve V8....the year that they became a part of GM
GM was created by Durant using Buick as the base, Louis Chevrolet drove for Buick as a race driver, Buick had an OHV engine, Chevrolet adopted OHV. Buick and Chevrolet also used the enclosed "Torque Tube" type of driveshaft (As opposed to an open shaft.) Chevrolet and Buick are the real "blood brothers" at GM! Cadillac, Oldsmobile and Oakland (Pontiac) were bought by Durant to complete GM, But the Buick-Chevrolet brotherhood was strong for decades after: Chevy's Powerglide owed more to Buick's Dyanaflow than to Oldsmobile's Hydramatic. Interesting how long every other GM division was BEHIND Buick and Chevrolet with OHV!. Cadillac in 1948, Pontiac in 1954 for example were still sporting "flatheads". Buick had OHV in 1904! (First in the world to mass produce an OHV engine.) Chevy in 1917! - Boggles the mind!
@@jamesslick4790 Yeah !!! And that chevy motor is holding a fishing boat in place on some lake somewhere. Or maybe they just threw it over. Just like all other Chevy motors. OH !!!! how things NEVER change.
That's pretty cool they had DFCO back in the 50's.
It is an incredible piece of art. Injects fuel into the air pipe increasing the pressure. Simulates a jet engine. Far superior to a belt compressor. The problem is that gasoline today costs 10 times more than in 1957.
That was very informative and interesting. 👍
It has a death trap steering wheel, it guzzles gas, but I'd still be crusin' down the road in it with Buddy Holly by my side.
A great idea. Too bad it was so expensive and had some issues. Fast forward to today and we have those awful stop / start systems. My goal in life is to never own a car with that feature. Gonna have to buy used vehicles I guess.
Only 35 years ahead of its time. GM didn't use multi-port injection on most of its cars until the early 1990s.
it did have it share of problems, most times than not GM cars that did come with the early fuel injection had it converted to carburetors (main issue is believed to be it cost too much to service)... fuel injection in the early days was seen as a premium option..
@@dunhillsupramk3 No ordinary, small town mechanics would touch a F.I. motor back then. Only a Chevy guy could be trusted working on it. Which is why they scrapped FI in everything but the Corvette soon after, then they scrapped it on the Corvette.
The Rochester mechanical system was reputed to be the first fuel-injection system developed in America.
@silverbird58 Not that I'd take a four engined Superfortress on the Turnpike though! LOL!
Except that Chrysler developed an electronic fuel injection for their 1957 300D model.
+Michael Wilhelm, that system was the Bendix Electrojector system. Only a small number of the 300Ds had this system, and nagging problems forced owners of those cars to have four-barrel carburetors installed.
To state the "perfection" of their fuel injection system was a bold mistake because these early systems were rife with problems. Abandoned after a short run they only perfected fuel injection decades later. These old mechanical injections were tolerable but not reliable enough for the average gear head.
Chevrolet's first overhead valve v8....1917
TRUE STORY 317 cubic inches, OVERHEAD VALVE, exposed pushrods. Chevrolet was a luxury motor car until GM started up,and absorbed them in about 1918.
@@cindywilhelm201 Yeah, The 1911-12 Chevrolet was a Monster, Like a Packard. Fire engine huge luxury car!
Unreliable and underpowered. They quit making them.
Did anyone not if that the ad is 9:57 minutes and the car is 1957
I like fuel injection system,but not computer stuff!!!!!!!!
Get off the internet...lol
😁
Amazing what death traps the cars of that day were.
Amazing! What will they think up next?
Great stuff, wonder if this will help me diagnose my 2076 Chevy that hasn't been built yet. I hope it can fly!
They tried the same thing in the 327 Corvette engines. It didn't last too long because fuel injection was a $300 option (back then) and you would pick up 10 extra horsepower with a single four barrel Holey carburetor
Actually, the first fuel injected small block Chevy was the 1957 283ci, the 283 & 327 ci fuel injected Corvette engines had the MOST available power available, more than the single & dual 4 barrel carb options of the day
So they had multiport fuel injection in the 50s. Why did it take near half a decade for someone to start using it again? This guy is describing exactly what we'd call MPFI today just without any computers involved.
Half a decade? It took more like two decades for GM to get back to port fuel injection.
Today LS Chevy rules..
Check out the 3/4 of an inch gap on the driver door near the end of the video. Must have been a total?
The man should control the engine not a computer.
Is it the same exact man who narrates every 1950's information video like this? All sound the same.
He was the house "voice" for the Jam Handy organization that made hundreds of what we would now call infomercials for Chevy, as well as hundreds more for hundreds of other companies. I wouldn't be surprised if he voiced over a thousand industrial films.
The Jam Handy film library ended up at the Internet Archive, and so almost every Chevy film you will see on TH-cam from that era is one of his. But this is a distorted picture, there were hundreds of other film announcers in that era.
The announcers mostly had an upper-Midwest accent as that we determined by research to be most acceptable to the widest selection of Americans. Now the standard voice has to sound like someone from Hollywood. The principle is the same: don't offend your potential customers before they buy your product.
first to boast 1hp per cu in= 283cu in 283 hp!
1954 Chrysler 354" hemi with 355 HP...
1956 354 Chrysler 300 2 4 barrel.
@curbozer Boomer - No what? What I said above is true...
Pontiac was way ahead of Chevy in their
modern thin-wall V8 designs. Zora's infamous "youth of America" letter to Chevy & GM brass sped up Chevy's development program, causing them to have to 'borrow' some ideas from Pontiac, like ball-stud rocker arms, rear-mounted cam-driven distributor driving the oil pump, 1-piece intake manifold, and eventually the disposable oil filter. Rochester had a fully operational fuel injection system for Pontiac when Chevy cried demanding GM's "premier car", the Corvette, get it first, causing Pontiac not to get FI until 1958.
By any chance, did Walter Cronkite narrate this video? Sounds really familiar.
You want instant engine response.
..showing the way fuel is injected into jet engines, etc....but no mention that the Germans had fuel injection in WW2 on piston aircraft engines... Daimler Benz DB 601/605 , Junkers Jumo 211 and 213 series, BMW 801 radial...maybe others....
So did the US the radial engines on the heavy bombers were fi
The P51 Mustang had a Rolls Royce fi 12cylinder the P47 Thunderbolt was fi
And a bunch more I'm forgetting
@@ASmallThorn Uh, NO...None of the U.S./British bombers were fuel injected..the R-2800 radials on the P-47, and the other aircraft that used R-2800's, were not fuel injected...neither was the Merlin V-1650 V-12, nor the Allison V-1710..in fact, none of the production allied WW2 engines were fuel injected. They used carburetors, most "pressure" carburetors. The heavy bombers, the P-47, and the P-38 WERE turbocharged..most of the others, including the Merlin, used mechanical superchargers...somebody apparently gave somebody else some bad information...
@@dyer2cycle
Maybe we will agree to disagree
From a simple web search
Granted the US didn't use multiport injection, it was a throttle body for lack of a better term
"Those engines didn't use carburetors as in gravity operated float carburetors. They used "pressure carburetors". Pressure carbs are mechanical fuel injection systems that inject the fuel from a single point at the start of the manifold instead of injecting fuel at the intake port via a distribution system. Not quite as theoretically efficient as point fuel injection, but it has all the other advantages including automatic mixture control and no G sensitivity, as well as being less sensitive to damage by not having small high pressure fuel lines running to each cylinder."
I don't remember that dash-mounted rear view mirror.
@ pghsquid- I have not seen a dash mounted mirror on any Chevrolet either. I have seen a dash mounted mirror on Plymouths of that era.
This film is copyrighted 1956. They may have been pre-production cars.
The "bean counters" at GM sold it to BOSCH instead of investing money in R&D. By 1968 it was sold on fastback and squareback VWs, coupled to an analog computer.
Americans of the fifties couldn't give a shit about engineering !
This FI system was a failure, GM replaced the with 2-4 bbl carbs on a hi rise manifold, and was forced to refund customers cost.
In 1955, GM introduced the new 265 Turbojet V-8 without an oil filter, resulting in the loss of many engines. Ford pounced with an ad comparing their V-8's reliability to Chevy's. All to save $2.12.
yea but i think it costs 400 dollars,, who can afford that?
Only made for a couple years???
The Rochester mechanical fuel injection was produced for the 1957 thru 1965 model years
I believe it was only available in the Corvette after 1958
GM did not build very good cars compared to the other manufactures cant tell you how many of them would break and they also put terrible suspension under there vehicles
No safety equipment back then
A padded dash was available and seat belts also, however that steering column was still an immovable object for a chest.
...See!...we could have fuel injection without all that complicated computer B.S. ... :)
wasn't reliable tho..
neither is the computerized crap when sensors start going bad and electrical issues start cropping up...@@dunhillsupramk3
Where's the PCM to control the injection? lol.
Next to the CD changer, In the trunk!, Natch! LOL!
Ford motor company more then PROVED that upchuck is a liar.(FORD DID BUILD THE GT-40 FROM 95-97 IN A LIMITED PRODUCTION RUN)
Stop talking 4 gauge, your brain is a minnow in a swimming pool full of sharks.
The REAL GT-40 was built by ford in 1964, to race against and BEAT Ferrari in the 24 hours of Lemans. ford did a remarkable job that year by coming in 1,2,3. The ford GT-40 II, was a limited run, like the limited thunderbird. Both of them weak sisters made only to create low production, high dollar classics.
@@cindywilhelm201 Nothing weak about them,both are the world's fastest super cars.
@@cindywilhelm201 Not hardly,if that's the case,I'm a killer whale due to the fact I have well over 50 years mechanic experiance.
@@4gauge10 Dude, I doubt that you have 15 years life experience!
HOU VELEV THEIS BOllCORN.
Fuel infection is overrated
I was going to say WTF? But your screen name is enough for me to know that your're an idiot.
Uncle Moe, any relation to Jeeter Lester from Tobacco Road? You don't appear to be any smarter.
For those who are wiping the slobber off your chin, take a look at this: th-cam.com/video/nN8F0e6DNDg/w-d-xo.html
Might want to have another napkin handy.... BTW, look at what is in the left bay of the garage.
Perfected? Pffffft
Detected, inspected, perfected... rejected!
They weren't that great at all.
P
Nice car but highly over rated. The 1957 Ford Fairlane was a far better car.
I'm a GM gut but today I'd take any of the "low priced three" from '57, But If I was around in '57 and looking at them as NEW cars, I'd be damned hard to be talked out of the Plymouth, Just by the styling alone!
What's funny...Is that the 49' Oldsmobile rocket 88 was faster than the 57 fuel injected Chevy...LOL!!. Then General Motors being the not smart enough to be brain dead company that it is decides to destroy the company that built General Motors... Oldsmobile division.Oldsmobile invented all the current engines that General Motors uses now, (3800 series) if it wasn't for Oldsmobile, there wouldn't be a General Motors today!!. This company also invented turbocharging that General Motors uses on the Cadillac that you presently have now...And the biggest issue is General Motors still can't build a very good engine in spite of Oldsmobiles conerstone engine (3800 series) it keeps failing in front of Ford Motor Company,Toyota and Honda. Oh well,nothing new here. As long as the FALSE belief exist,I guess General Motors will always exist.
4 gauge A 1955-57 Chevy with either 4 barrel, 2x4 barrel carbs or fuel injection would run circles around a 49 Olds. I like the Olds but the small block Chevy was a huge leap forward. Also the Olds was only 303 CI, not much bigger than the 283 Chevy in a MUCH heavier car.
+Edward Pate. sorry,I was 14 years old when this car was built and I've seen our 49'Oldsmobile that my dad had,easily beat this fuel-injected P.O.S.first hand with at least a 3-4 foot ball field head start.Olds was always experimenting and built cars that were considerably faster then Chevy.Chevy,Buick,Pontiac in modern times used the 3800 series engine due to Olds research/development was much more involved then any other G.M.division.
+1fastsuuumbich I USE BOTH ACCOUNTS IDIOT!!.NOTHING TO HIDE!!!. LOL!.
Ahh, Oldsmobile was part of GM, so this is kinda like saying "Apple would be nothing without the Macintosh Company"?
@bad dog Oh,keep driving your Yugo and be happy...HAHAHA!!.