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The fact that you had a mock ceiling was so awesome. Thank you for breaking things down so that even the beginner can understand! Your channel is awesome. Keep em coming
WOW! I have watched a trillion “helpful” construction/carpentry/etc videos and this one has got to be the most thoroughly explained that I have ever seen! This is TRULY helpful and I am so grateful I found you!!!!
Thank you, Lauren! I’m going to have a lot of stuff like this in my first online course later this year. Full builds that explain all sorts of carpentry concepts. 😄
Also: I am not a carpenter like our friend here. Hell,. I worked on engines in the military, and then went to college to work on finance as a career. But I am a heavy DIYer, as I have spent years fixing up my own distressed foreclosure purchases that I have lived in. So here is what else I will add: Before you do anything else...right now...before you pull out your next power tool: learn to drywall. It is not hard. Once you learn, you can do it before you get any experience to get better at it (you just have to sand more at first). But once you have the confidence to cut open a wall, EVERYTHING you need to do becomes 100 times easier.
@@amberfrazier575 wait, belay my last. If the ceiling is popcorn, don't worry about smoothing it out after you patch the hole. Use the thing with a wet rag only if you have a smooth ceiling. If you have a popcorn ceiling, it isn't going to matter whether you're dollop of drywall mud is smooth.
YASSSS! And when you DON'T know how to drywall yet you STILL TRY to fix large holes (a foot² or more), you QUICKLY realize that you SHOULD'VE TAKEN THE TIME TO LEARN BEFOREHAND. (But, on the bright side- I discovered I'm naturally talented at "texturing" & "speed-bumping" walls. 😆😩)
I LOVED this video!!! Not only did I learn but I highly appreciated that the content was: • well organized • well paced • clear specific verbiage • simple visuals • included only relevant information • tone, speech and delivery of instructor was captive • length of video was great Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Will the bracing method work with engineered I-joists? Trying to figure out a way to hang gymnastics rings from the exposed ceiling in my basement. Thanks!
You explained and gave visuals at every step!! You deserve a gold metal 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. This is literally the only video I found with great detail, education and no fluff. ’m purchasing and installing a heavy bag for my 10 year old in our home and was unsure of how to do it. I feel very confident after watching this. Thank you!! I just subscribed
You. Have. Read. My. Mind. In a great way. I have lots of things I'm wanting to hang to use vertical space. Most are plants, which can get heavy. And most spots I can to hang them dont have joists. Its been driving me crazy having these projects unfinished. Ty! Perfect timing!
This video came at a great time when I’m going to hang a work light in my garage over my chop saw. It’s not heavy but I want to make sure it’s supported so it doesn’t come down on my head. I can’t see the numbers on my old saw so a light was really needed to get proper measurements. Great options for me, someone who doesn’t normally do this. Thanks!
A tip for fixing drywall if you cut where there's no backing: use drywall clips. They saved me when I replaced my bathroom fan and there was absolutely nothing to attach drywall to and no easy way to fix the ceiling from the attic. And a tip: if you drill into the ceiling and don't get sawdust, you're not drilling into a ceiling joist. I was hanging an antique lamp last week and my stud finder lied to me.
In my house I get wood chips or sawdust wherever I drill in the basement or first floor ceiling, those are filled with it for insulation and noise reduction, yey for old school construction!
You have the best and most informative videos. They are logical easy to follow and especially love how your explanation matches the examples shown in your video.
A lot of newer construction utilizes I-joists or truss joists. How would you approach hanging, for example, a suspended storage rack in a garage with those types of joists?
Dude, this is the best video I've ever seen on hanging stuff from a ceiling. You are a master at explaining super useful techniques in a quick, complete way that makes it possible for amateurs like me to feel confident in considering all the options and knowing why and how to do a job a certain way. Creating the fake ceiling in your workshop to SHOW your work is genius. Btw, a few years ago I helped my daughter move into an apartment with limited space and needed a way to hang her bike in a closet with a plaster/lath ceiling. I eventually came up with something resembling the surface cleat idea. It worked, but I wish I had seen this video first to think about how/where to best install the cleat. I didn't think about installing it on a diagonal. Duh. That would have helped me. Next time I'll know! Thanks again!
One caveat about cutting the drywall and insetting the cleat: In a garage or a condo or apartment, the drywall is fire-rated, so you don't want to cut holes in it.
@@entltyq I dont think you watched the video fully... the "insetting cleat" option bores out the entire outline of the 2x4, which is 3.5" x however long you need... which could be 12-36" easily. That's not a little hole, AND some apartments do yearly inspections, which if they notice, will be a problem for you. Not to mention, you're perverting the integrity of the fire proofing. The purpose of 1-hr rated construction is in its name, in that it should provide you 1-hr of burn through time, to get out of the structure. If a fire occurs near the area that you bore out, and the fire is able to get through in 30 minutes, and someone dies... you could be held responsible due to negligence. Just because you don't own it, doesn't whisk away your responsibility.
How long has it been fire rated for? Like since what year? My dad’s Garage has a Large 4 x 16 Foot Shelf that hangs from the ceiling via Nails… who knows who thought that was a good idea, but as we were prepping the ceiling and walls to be painted, we also noticed that the drywall on the ceiling was also placed with nails?
Good video. Might I suggest when adding blocking. Feed a zip tie through the pilot hole to make it easier to spot. Since most attics don't have the best lighting.
Thanks for the tips and info. I used the "add blocking in between the ceiling joists" to support a screw in hook to hang my bike in my utility room. I added two hooks and I can use it to do pullups at over 300ibs and it feels super strong.
Hanging a 160lb sound absorber on the ceiling this week - this video answered so many of my precursor questions. Saved me about $200 in material and time on phone calls/emails, thanks!!!!
Yeah, great video. I have a story. When we moved into our house over twenty years ago, the steel pot rack (that can be seen in my kitchen renovation plans video) was something I wanted. We added it specifically to the house bid. But after hanging a significant portion of the pot/pan collection onto it, it ripped out of the ceiling making a huge crash sound. After looking at the hooks I realized that they were toggle bolts only rated for 15 pounds each. I went and got new toggles rated for 80 pounds each, installed them into new holes i drilled with a brand new ⅜ forstner bit, covered the old holes, rehung and no problem since. Something like 90 pounds of pots and pans hang comfortably. A testament to how over engineering is a good thing.
I have screwed those eye bolts /screws and always used pliers to grip it and turn. You showed me the best way is to stick the screwdriver through the hole and easily rotate. Thank you so much!!!
This is probably extreme overkill but when I hung my heavy bag and gymnastic rings for my home gym I used a 4x4 as blocking and screwed 6” lag bolts through the sides. Then I used through bolted some fairly thick eye bolts using large washers. So far it’s been pretty solid.
Oh my gosh, thank you for this!!! Option 5 is exactly what I needed to see for our weird ceiling situation! (Drywall overlaying old plaster and lath, with a heavy chandelier being installed in between joists) This is fantastic!
Thank you for actual showing and explaining how to do this! Used these directions to mount a 2x4 for a fan, now im just waiting for the mud to dry so I can mount it. Thank you!!
Wanted to add an additional note about using the toggle bolts with the plastic snap-off guides - I've seen a lot of negative reviews on them from customers at Home Depot and other big box stores. The truck up using them successfully is to actually engage and disengage the swivel mechanism several times (CAREFULLY so as to not snap the plastic) to make sure that it can swing into the open position more easily once you slide it into the hole you've made. I've gone so far as to add a little bit of lubricant to the hinges. What I've found is that the dust and grit from drywall, sheetrock or plasterboard can get into the contact areas and make it difficult to swing the metal toggle into position once you've got it inserted all the way. Those fancier toggle bolts are not cheap so if you've got to use a bunch of them it pays to make sure you've got them in correctly. I also err on the side of gently jiggling it a bit more to ensure that it's properly placed rather than brute-forcing it because the plastic guides are super fragile if any kind of lateral force is applied to them. But once they're in they work perfectly. I have 2 supporting a protector and another 2 for a motorized projector screen.
Yeah Option #2 is definitely my favorite Method. I had to hang a ceiling fan and I wasn't comfortable until I found a Soild Joist stud to hang it from. 👷🏿
Thank you for the 5ways to do this safely. I got my first Dungeonworld book. I liked it, & will try get the next. I intend to get all and eventually donate to my library for kids.
Nice tool display. I'm here for ideas to hang 3 billboard tarps from inside of my barn roof. It is a moisture barrier and sealing off drafty cracks in the old boards before Winter. Then I will add drywall, tin, or wafer board. Thanks. The threaded rod is a great idea. I have 500 feet of it. Wide washers and nuts too. Yes, it will look ghetto.
Thank you so much for this video, I’ve been wanting to hang an 80 pound boxing body bag in our garage but wasn’t sure if the joist would hold, this video made me confident it will. Also Dewalt impact drills are the way to go, totally worth the money, plus Star Bits and screws to match. Love your channel!
I have an awesome idea for hanging multiple hanging plants and grow lights from the ceiling, but was sketchy on how to support the load. I started doing a search but couldn't seem to find the right wording to get the answer I was looking for. Your video was spot-on and answered all the questions I had about how to properly support my project. Thanks so much! I have subscribed and looking forward to seeing other videos in your playlists. 😎
Which of these methods will work with a 100+ pound object that is swinging around, like a punching bag, chandelier or porch swing holding your relative?
How lucky am I to have found your channel! Thank you google! This was the best explanation, and you got right to the point. Great illustrations and organization of how information is presented. I also like the “better safe than sorry” approach. Very responsible. I’d say you must be a great carpenter but you’re also a great teacher as well.
I love how he explains everything. I’ve learned so much from him. I am ready to start adding more storage in my garage. I feel confident that I can do it.
I used to attach rail to the ceiling and attach a hoist to move a person out of bed and into a wheelchair or down the hall. My preferred method was a U Strut and your threaded rod method. Very good video. Thanks
All excellent methods, here's one I've used twice to support a really heavy load: I use a Harbor Freight electric hoist to lift the hard top off of my Jeep when summer comes 'round. It's about 200lbs of fiberglass and glass that you do not want to drop! In neither case could I access the joists from above (there is living space above, not attic), so instead I cut out the drywall, then ran a hole saw through two adjacent joists. Then I fitted a hollow steel tube that is longer than the span between joists, and hung the hoist from the tube. Since there are no fasteners involved, the load is bearing down directly on the entire joist/wall structure. I have 100% confidence in this method.
I like using the Franklin Sensor stud finders. They have 11 sensors and lights that show the full width of a stud so you easily see the center of the stud. Some also have an electrical sensor to let you know if a hot wire is near that stud.
All very good suggestions. I'm always nervous about the weight-bearing capability of ordinary fasteners in drywall alone - these ideas will let me sleep better!
Great ideas! I'm looking to install a small electric hoist in my basement workshop. Low ceiling but exposed joists. The eye rings are the perfect solution I was looking for since it will allow me to install the winch between the joists and still have enough clearance below the winch to make it functional. At 83 some of the attachments on my Shopsmith are too heavy for me to manage .
For my autistic sons swing, I put blocks, 3 on their side, screwed them together and through the joists on the end, then I put some particle board over the top so the load is spread not just on the screws holding the blocks but also across the top of the joists. I know I went overboard, watching that has made me realise that, but I’m happy too especially since my father in law told me I did it wrong at Christmas.
This is really a great instructional video! I randomly came across it via an outside link, and am now subscribed to your channel. Information like this is already important for safety, too often ignored, and it’ll only get more needed as people keep downsizing and optimizing their living spaces. I’m sure you’ll just keep getting views and likes on posts like this one.
We have concrete ceilings where I'm at, so for me, it's the usual dyna bolt or other similar expansion bolt designs. The biggest problem with this is hitting rebars that cause drill bits to warble to either side and cause oversized holes. This happens more often with larger holes like 10mm or so. You could use rebar cutting bits but I think they should be used as a last resort as they could weaken the ceiling structure.
I have a concrete ceiling beam- attached to a concrete ceiling. I want to put an 83x10x 1/2 thick wood plank on it. Can you please give me a suggestion on how to it?
I’ve often had to attach some blocking for an electrical box that will carry the weight of a ceiling fan rather than just a ceiling light. Good video as always
@@dwayne7356 Exactly! I wish it was standard for places where it is a reasonable probability. That would keep me out of those attic spaces, lying on my belly putting in blocking!
Any extra notes for Wooden Engineered Joist I-Beams? Can you still fasten screws directly to their bottoms? How should you add blocking to them, by notching it and screwing it into the webbing? Some extra details on them would be nice as they are in a lot of new construction.
Hi, I am looking to hang set of gymnastic rings in my basement ceiling where the joists are mere 1 inch thick and 10 inches apart. What would be the best way to do it and please suggest me right hardware for the same, if possible.
The cleat system worked great for hanging things in my garage. Looks didn't matter too much so I put up a couple 1x2s cross wise to the joists giving lots of flexibility for the things I wanted to hang today plus the things I will want to hang later (whatever they are).
Thanks! I have a tiny room and I can't spare the space for a solid chair. So I am looking at hanging a fabric and rope chair from the ceiling. Option 3 sounds good. I think I will use blocking twice and spread the load out over two anchor points.
Hi, i am very impressed with your explanations that are lucid and on to the point. I would like to know, Can we be able to hang a bed from ceiling using method 3 ? If yes, how many such nails are sufficient to hang a bed along the mattress for regular use by a couple.
I've used surface-cleats in my garages. When it's in a garage, I don't really care if it doesn't look finished. I used to live in an old building in Chicago with a row of garages behind the building that I think used to be a horse stable 120 years ago. The ceilings were very high -- maybe 16 feet. I mounted some surface cleats, attached some pulleys to the surface cleats, and then built hoists to hang bicycles above my car. This way I could store a couple bicyles as well as our car in our 1-car garage. I'm about to do a similar thing to mount a surface cleat plus pulleys across a span of joists in the garage of our current house to mount my wife's paddle board to the ceiling. I agree with you that you don't get as much holding power with a screw in 1x or 2x material mounted flat, but if you're handing something with many individual screws then it'll probably be fine. In my case, my pulley brackets each have 2 mounting holes, and I'll mount 3 pulleys plus a fixed-pount pad-eye, which actually has 4 mounting holes. I think I'll use a scrap 2x6 as my surface cleat. So then the weight of the paddle board will be distributed across 10 screws that will go through the full 1.5 inches of the 2x6. With #10 construction screws, I would guess that it could easily hold 1000 pounds, although I only need it to hold ~40 pounds.
Thank you for this brilliant explanation as I'm completely clueless. I have two children and we have hung swings indoors before but they were light and now they're older. We need an adult swing with heavy loads. We have a plasterboard ceiling so I'd love your advice. What's best as there is a specific space I'd like to make sure its robust and strong. Thanks so much.
Stumbled across this video looking for some suggestions for some attentional projects, good job! Moving recently to South Florida, I've found that folks confuse joist with trusses. Trusses are used nearly exculsively on new builds and folks don't under stand that the bottom load of a truss is drywall weight and nothing else. Without some extensive reengineering of the ceiling support you can't hang squat.
Well, that's all really nice to know about and only after I watched it all I realized that none of this will work in my flat because I got some weird old ceiling made of plaster and straw and old, brittle wooden beams holding this together. Yes, I'm in Europe and we got old houses here with massive walls but shitty ceilings...at least to hang stuff from. ;-)
I know this is a US market channel, but I wish you made a portion of this video for us european smucks! Our homes are made of brick walls and concrete, I was looking for some tips for hanging a heavy celling fan, but your walls are made of wood and paper of there so no use for people like me... Joking on the paper and wood, was a joke lol :D
Thanks for the great explanation and different options to use. How would I find the joists if my ceiling has strapping. Furthermore, how do you mount something to hang if the strapping sits lower than the joists? Thank you.
this is such an easy to follow and educational video! i have a concrete ceiling in my kitchen and want to hang a pot and pan rack, how would you do this in concrete?
Great stuff as always...I've used Raco braces for a lot of ceiling fans now as well as some heavy-ish lights...the Raco's are actually a very strong solution PROVIDED they're installed right...I hung 140 lbs. on one once just to test it and it didn't flinch a sixteenth of an inch...most 52 inch ceiling fans feel like a ton but they actually run like 18-25 lbs fully installed
I've used a board to spread very light loads over a plaster ceiling, but prefer supports to be many times stronger than necessary so usually attach to joists. However, more often than not the desired position isn't aligned well with a joist, so I employ a variation of option 3. Instead of screwing a single piece directly to the joists, I screw a block of 4x2 on each end of a bridging member, and then screw the side blocks to the joists with the bridge touching the ceiling underneath, ready to attach the fixture. This way I have screws embedded in lots of material, and all through face or edge grain. I'm only a DIYer so a little more time and material isn't an issue.
Agree that the weight limits on some fasteners is too high, I never push those limits either. Was glad to hear you point that out. Thank you for another helpful video!
Thank you. I have a couple places where I need to rework the ceiling lighting and I've been postponing it partly because of not knowing how to approach it and having no almost no experience with making adjustments to existing drywall installs.
Nervous about mounting motorised ceiling t.v mount to concrete ceiling and I was looking for tips for making sure the bolts stay in cement or any other ideas for this would be great
I am really thankful for this video, it was so helpful and inspiring to me who was always curious about how a lot of things hang seamlessly in interior design, now I gotcha 🙏👍
This was really helpful, I'm trying to mount a Monitor in my office and I don't want visible cabling so these options will definitely come in handy. Thank you!
I have done the threaded rod suspended shelving. I did one shelf 15’ long, 24” deep anchored to the wall and held by 3 ….5/8” threaded rod through the end corner, in the middle and 3’ from the end. I supported it from the attic with blocking and through a partial floor. I also addded a 9’ x 3’ going down an adjacent wall with 2 threaded rods. I had room for another shelf, so I added another shelf, 4’x 3’ with 2 threaded rods on each end. I used flake board, on all. I have $50 in this whole project because the lumber was free from a neighbor getting rid of a platform bed. The threaded rod was $1 a foot from Craigslist and the nuts, washers, and lock washers were the rest.
Is there a non-destructive way to test if the joist in a house is strong enough for heavy loads? And, is there a difference if the load is in motion, e.g. a swing?
Hi, I'm thinking of adding an anchor with 2 screwing bolts for hanging ladder, swing, rope maybe a chair. I was told that I might require to increase the strength of the joists to avoid any issues. Is that statement true or should I just go for it and find the center of the joist and screw it?
My dad used a variation of your option 4 to hang a big chandelier. He used a quarter inch steel plate, attached to joists with countersunk screws. There was a hole drilled in its center to allow the chandelier wires through. If you really look at it, it's not elegant, but almost nobody notices. I suppose you could engrave an artistic design on it and consider it decorative.
Need to mount an aerial silk to the bedroom ceiling, so I'm either going with option 2a (screw 2x6 between joists w/ metal eye hook) or lay wood flat on top of joists and run a longer metal post. I'm wondering if that is overkill & I could have screwed directly into the joist? In any case, thank you!
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I have a trailer ceiling will these still work?
The fact that you had a mock ceiling was so awesome. Thank you for breaking things down so that even the beginner can understand! Your channel is awesome. Keep em coming
WOW! I have watched a trillion “helpful” construction/carpentry/etc videos and this one has got to be the most thoroughly explained that I have ever seen! This is TRULY helpful and I am so grateful I found you!!!!
Thank you, Lauren! I’m going to have a lot of stuff like this in my first online course later this year. Full builds that explain all sorts of carpentry concepts. 😄
Also:
I am not a carpenter like our friend here. Hell,. I worked on engines in the military, and then went to college to work on finance as a career. But I am a heavy DIYer, as I have spent years fixing up my own distressed foreclosure purchases that I have lived in. So here is what else I will add:
Before you do anything else...right now...before you pull out your next power tool: learn to drywall. It is not hard. Once you learn, you can do it before you get any experience to get better at it (you just have to sand more at first). But once you have the confidence to cut open a wall, EVERYTHING you need to do becomes 100 times easier.
How do you hang a butterfly anchor from the ceiling with ceiling heat, I’m a renter I can’t afford to drill through the wire.
@@amberfrazier575 wait, belay my last. If the ceiling is popcorn, don't worry about smoothing it out after you patch the hole. Use the thing with a wet rag only if you have a smooth ceiling. If you have a popcorn ceiling, it isn't going to matter whether you're dollop of drywall mud is smooth.
How do you learn? I don’t want to experiment on my house to learn 😅
YASSSS! And when you DON'T know how to drywall yet you STILL TRY to fix large holes (a foot² or more), you QUICKLY realize that you SHOULD'VE TAKEN THE TIME TO LEARN BEFOREHAND.
(But, on the bright side- I discovered I'm naturally talented at "texturing" & "speed-bumping" walls. 😆😩)
This video is phenomenal. Not even for just the mounting aspect but also the reasons and science behind everything you explain. I love it.
Thank you! 🙏
You explain things so clearly! I really enjoy your channel. Thank you for all your hard work.
Thank you, Neolithic! 😄
3/4 million subs, here we come!
I agree 100% with your comment "explain things so clearly" this is my favorite channel.
Agreed
I LOVED this video!!! Not only did I learn but I highly appreciated that the content was:
• well organized • well paced • clear specific verbiage • simple visuals
• included only relevant information
• tone, speech and delivery of instructor was captive
• length of video was great
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
🙏😄
Will the bracing method work with engineered I-joists? Trying to figure out a way to hang gymnastics rings from the exposed ceiling in my basement. Thanks!
This is the only negative of this video. He shows the engineered ones but never does the bracing for them.
You explained and gave visuals at every step!! You deserve a gold metal 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. This is literally the only video I found with great detail, education and no fluff. ’m purchasing and installing a heavy bag for my 10 year old in our home and was unsure of how to do it. I feel very confident after watching this. Thank you!! I just subscribed
You. Have. Read. My. Mind. In a great way. I have lots of things I'm wanting to hang to use vertical space. Most are plants, which can get heavy. And most spots I can to hang them dont have joists. Its been driving me crazy having these projects unfinished. Ty! Perfect timing!
Thanks Ros! I bet you can get away with just toggles for most of those plants. You can even hang wire from two toggles! 😄
I’ve gotten over 25 ideals from different people and your video was the best. Thank you.
This video came at a great time when I’m going to hang a work light in my garage over my chop saw. It’s not heavy but I want to make sure it’s supported so it doesn’t come down on my head. I can’t see the numbers on my old saw so a light was really needed to get proper measurements. Great options for me, someone who doesn’t normally do this. Thanks!
A tip for fixing drywall if you cut where there's no backing: use drywall clips. They saved me when I replaced my bathroom fan and there was absolutely nothing to attach drywall to and no easy way to fix the ceiling from the attic.
And a tip: if you drill into the ceiling and don't get sawdust, you're not drilling into a ceiling joist. I was hanging an antique lamp last week and my stud finder lied to me.
Good advice, Lori!
Drywall clips are new to me. Thanks for mentioning them.
In my house I get wood chips or sawdust wherever I drill in the basement or first floor ceiling, those are filled with it for insulation and noise reduction, yey for old school construction!
@@savageredbeard Molding would look nice on a ceiling to cover up any imperfections.
You have the best and most informative videos. They are logical easy to follow and especially love how your explanation matches the examples shown in your video.
Thanks so much Letroy! 😄
All good stuff. Never new about notching drywall to make a board more flush....filing that away for future use
A lot of newer construction utilizes I-joists or truss joists. How would you approach hanging, for example, a suspended storage rack in a garage with those types of joists?
Dude, this is the best video I've ever seen on hanging stuff from a ceiling. You are a master at explaining super useful techniques in a quick, complete way that makes it possible for amateurs like me to feel confident in considering all the options and knowing why and how to do a job a certain way. Creating the fake ceiling in your workshop to SHOW your work is genius.
Btw, a few years ago I helped my daughter move into an apartment with limited space and needed a way to hang her bike in a closet with a plaster/lath ceiling. I eventually came up with something resembling the surface cleat idea. It worked, but I wish I had seen this video first to think about how/where to best install the cleat. I didn't think about installing it on a diagonal. Duh. That would have helped me. Next time I'll know!
Thanks again!
That’s awesome to hear, Alan! I really appreciate the positive feedback. Thank you for watching and writing in! 😄
One caveat about cutting the drywall and insetting the cleat: In a garage or a condo or apartment, the drywall is fire-rated, so you don't want to cut holes in it.
You don't own it anyway. What isn't known won't hurt anyone. A small little hole that likely you will only make. Just being honest.
@@entltyq I dont think you watched the video fully... the "insetting cleat" option bores out the entire outline of the 2x4, which is 3.5" x however long you need... which could be 12-36" easily. That's not a little hole, AND some apartments do yearly inspections, which if they notice, will be a problem for you. Not to mention, you're perverting the integrity of the fire proofing. The purpose of 1-hr rated construction is in its name, in that it should provide you 1-hr of burn through time, to get out of the structure. If a fire occurs near the area that you bore out, and the fire is able to get through in 30 minutes, and someone dies... you could be held responsible due to negligence.
Just because you don't own it, doesn't whisk away your responsibility.
@@alexbishop5004 You're correct. I didn't know about those things before. Much appreciated.
How long has it been fire rated for? Like since what year? My dad’s Garage has a Large 4 x 16 Foot Shelf that hangs from the ceiling via Nails… who knows who thought that was a good idea, but as we were prepping the ceiling and walls to be painted, we also noticed that the drywall on the ceiling was also placed with nails?
They only use fire-rated drywall between the condo units shared walls
Good video. Might I suggest when adding blocking. Feed a zip tie through the pilot hole to make it easier to spot. Since most attics don't have the best lighting.
Best DIY video I've ever seen! Thank you!
Thanks for the tips and info. I used the "add blocking in between the ceiling joists" to support a screw in hook to hang my bike in my utility room. I added two hooks and I can use it to do pullups at over 300ibs and it feels super strong.
I'm just impressed that you can do a pull-up at over 300 pounds. I'm not a girly man but no way I can pull my fat ass up.
You're over 300 lbs and you can do a pull up?? ....I'm over 70 years old and I can run a mile in under 4 minutes.
@@kimstockdale632 thats super impressive
Hanging a 160lb sound absorber on the ceiling this week - this video answered so many of my precursor questions. Saved me about $200 in material and time on phone calls/emails, thanks!!!!
Yeah, great video.
I have a story. When we moved into our house over twenty years ago, the steel pot rack (that can be seen in my kitchen renovation plans video) was something I wanted. We added it specifically to the house bid. But after hanging a significant portion of the pot/pan collection onto it, it ripped out of the ceiling making a huge crash sound. After looking at the hooks I realized that they were toggle bolts only rated for 15 pounds each. I went and got new toggles rated for 80 pounds each, installed them into new holes i drilled with a brand new ⅜ forstner bit, covered the old holes, rehung and no problem since. Something like 90 pounds of pots and pans hang comfortably. A testament to how over engineering is a good thing.
I have screwed those eye bolts /screws and always used pliers to grip it and turn. You showed me the best way is to stick the screwdriver through the hole and easily rotate. Thank you so much!!!
This is probably extreme overkill but when I hung my heavy bag and gymnastic rings for my home gym I used a 4x4 as blocking and screwed 6” lag bolts through the sides. Then I used through bolted some fairly thick eye bolts using large washers. So far it’s been pretty solid.
In one thousand years, archaeologists are going to find that setup and be able to infer that there used to be a house around it.
Very informative. Thank you. I need swing hung and I really enjoyed your video.
Oh my gosh, thank you for this!!! Option 5 is exactly what I needed to see for our weird ceiling situation! (Drywall overlaying old plaster and lath, with a heavy chandelier being installed in between joists) This is fantastic!
Thank you for actual showing and explaining how to do this! Used these directions to mount a 2x4 for a fan, now im just waiting for the mud to dry so I can mount it. Thank you!!
Wanted to add an additional note about using the toggle bolts with the plastic snap-off guides - I've seen a lot of negative reviews on them from customers at Home Depot and other big box stores.
The truck up using them successfully is to actually engage and disengage the swivel mechanism several times (CAREFULLY so as to not snap the plastic) to make sure that it can swing into the open position more easily once you slide it into the hole you've made. I've gone so far as to add a little bit of lubricant to the hinges. What I've found is that the dust and grit from drywall, sheetrock or plasterboard can get into the contact areas and make it difficult to swing the metal toggle into position once you've got it inserted all the way.
Those fancier toggle bolts are not cheap so if you've got to use a bunch of them it pays to make sure you've got them in correctly. I also err on the side of gently jiggling it a bit more to ensure that it's properly placed rather than brute-forcing it because the plastic guides are super fragile if any kind of lateral force is applied to them.
But once they're in they work perfectly. I have 2 supporting a protector and another 2 for a motorized projector screen.
Yeah Option #2 is definitely my favorite Method. I had to hang a ceiling fan and I wasn't comfortable until I found a Soild Joist stud to hang it from. 👷🏿
That’s how I always feel, W!
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Thank you for the 5ways to do this safely. I got my first Dungeonworld book. I liked it, & will try get the next. I intend to get all and eventually donate to my library for kids.
Another great video. I like that you explain things in a systematic way with many examples. The pace is also very good.
Thank you, Tommy! I appreciate the feedback!
I don’t really leave comments on TH-cam videos but that was one of the most clear, well-explained DIY videos I’ve watched. Thank you.
Nice tool display. I'm here for ideas to hang 3 billboard tarps from inside of my barn roof. It is a moisture barrier and sealing off drafty cracks in the old boards before Winter. Then I will add drywall, tin, or wafer board. Thanks. The threaded rod is a great idea. I have 500 feet of it. Wide washers and nuts too. Yes, it will look ghetto.
Thank you so much for this video, I’ve been wanting to hang an 80 pound boxing body bag in our garage but wasn’t sure if the joist would hold, this video made me confident it will. Also Dewalt impact drills are the way to go, totally worth the money, plus Star Bits and screws to match. Love your channel!
I'm putting up a punching bag too and I was nervous about the same thing
Finally somebody smart on the Internet, thank you!
I have an awesome idea for hanging multiple hanging plants and grow lights from the ceiling, but was sketchy on how to support the load. I started doing a search but couldn't seem to find the right wording to get the answer I was looking for. Your video was spot-on and answered all the questions I had about how to properly support my project. Thanks so much! I have subscribed and looking forward to seeing other videos in your playlists. 😎
I used option 5 to install storage in my garage. Thanks for the video and tips.
Which of these methods will work with a 100+ pound object that is swinging around, like a punching bag, chandelier or porch swing holding your relative?
How lucky am I to have found your channel! Thank you google! This was the best explanation, and you got right to the point. Great illustrations and organization of how information is presented. I also like the “better safe than sorry” approach. Very responsible.
I’d say you must be a great carpenter but you’re also a great teacher as well.
Thank you! 😄
I love how he explains everything. I’ve learned so much from him. I am ready to start adding more storage in my garage. I feel confident that I can do it.
Thank you, Andrea!
I used to attach rail to the ceiling and attach a hoist to move a person out of bed and into a wheelchair or down the hall. My preferred method was a U Strut and your threaded rod method. Very good video. Thanks
Thanks for the magnet trick! It totally worked as I have popcorn ceiling and the stud finder was not enjoying that!
All excellent methods, here's one I've used twice to support a really heavy load: I use a Harbor Freight electric hoist to lift the hard top off of my Jeep when summer comes 'round. It's about 200lbs of fiberglass and glass that you do not want to drop! In neither case could I access the joists from above (there is living space above, not attic), so instead I cut out the drywall, then ran a hole saw through two adjacent joists. Then I fitted a hollow steel tube that is longer than the span between joists, and hung the hoist from the tube. Since there are no fasteners involved, the load is bearing down directly on the entire joist/wall structure. I have 100% confidence in this method.
I like using the Franklin Sensor stud finders. They have 11 sensors and lights that show the full width of a stud so you easily see the center of the stud. Some also have an electrical sensor to let you know if a hot wire is near that stud.
All very good suggestions. I'm always nervous about the weight-bearing capability of ordinary fasteners in drywall alone - these ideas will let me sleep better!
Absolutely loved the clear instructions with the demos. Thank you so much for making this video!
Great ideas! I'm looking to install a small electric hoist in my basement workshop. Low ceiling but exposed joists. The eye rings are the perfect solution I was looking for since it will allow me to install the winch between the joists and still have enough clearance below the winch to make it functional. At 83 some of the attachments on my Shopsmith are too heavy for me to manage .
For my autistic sons swing, I put blocks, 3 on their side, screwed them together and through the joists on the end, then I put some particle board over the top so the load is spread not just on the screws holding the blocks but also across the top of the joists.
I know I went overboard, watching that has made me realise that, but I’m happy too especially since my father in law told me I did it wrong at Christmas.
I go overboard with just about everything, rather have too much support than not enough.
What does your son being autistic have to do with anything?
@@HaggisMuncher-y2u because the swing is part of his therapy, it’s a particular autistic indoor swing, so it alludes to the kind of swing that I hung.
@@HaggisMuncher-y2uwhat a stupid comment to make
By far this is absolutely the best Best video I seen. Thank you 🙏🏾
I did learn a few things here in this video, awesome, thanks
Liked and subscribed. Didn’t feel like 8 minutes and now I’m ready to hang a heavy bag in the garage.
This is really a great instructional video! I randomly came across it via an outside link, and am now subscribed to your channel. Information like this is already important for safety, too often ignored, and it’ll only get more needed as people keep downsizing and optimizing their living spaces. I’m sure you’ll just keep getting views and likes on posts like this one.
We have concrete ceilings where I'm at, so for me, it's the usual dyna bolt or other similar expansion bolt designs. The biggest problem with this is hitting rebars that cause drill bits to warble to either side and cause oversized holes. This happens more often with larger holes like 10mm or so. You could use rebar cutting bits but I think they should be used as a last resort as they could weaken the ceiling structure.
Do you use chemical anchors?
I have a concrete ceiling beam- attached to a concrete ceiling.
I want to put an 83x10x 1/2 thick wood plank on it. Can you please give me a suggestion on how to it?
I’ve often had to attach some blocking for an electrical box that will carry the weight of a ceiling fan rather than just a ceiling light. Good video as always
You never know what future light fixture or fan will be placed on that box later.
@@dwayne7356 Exactly! I wish it was standard for places where it is a reasonable probability. That would keep me out of those attic spaces, lying on my belly putting in blocking!
Any extra notes for Wooden Engineered Joist I-Beams? Can you still fasten screws directly to their bottoms? How should you add blocking to them, by notching it and screwing it into the webbing? Some extra details on them would be nice as they are in a lot of new construction.
Hi, I am looking to hang set of gymnastic rings in my basement ceiling where the joists are mere 1 inch thick and 10 inches apart. What would be the best way to do it and please suggest me right hardware for the same, if possible.
The cleat system worked great for hanging things in my garage. Looks didn't matter too much so I put up a couple 1x2s cross wise to the joists giving lots of flexibility for the things I wanted to hang today plus the things I will want to hang later (whatever they are).
Thanks! I have a tiny room and I can't spare the space for a solid chair. So I am looking at hanging a fabric and rope chair from the ceiling. Option 3 sounds good. I think I will use blocking twice and spread the load out over two anchor points.
Hi, i am very impressed with your explanations that are lucid and on to the point. I would like to know, Can we be able to hang a bed from ceiling using method 3 ? If yes, how many such nails are sufficient to hang a bed along the mattress for regular use by a couple.
I've been thinking about adding a ceiling-mounted pots and pans rack in my kitchen - this video will definitely come in handy!
I've used surface-cleats in my garages. When it's in a garage, I don't really care if it doesn't look finished. I used to live in an old building in Chicago with a row of garages behind the building that I think used to be a horse stable 120 years ago. The ceilings were very high -- maybe 16 feet. I mounted some surface cleats, attached some pulleys to the surface cleats, and then built hoists to hang bicycles above my car. This way I could store a couple bicyles as well as our car in our 1-car garage.
I'm about to do a similar thing to mount a surface cleat plus pulleys across a span of joists in the garage of our current house to mount my wife's paddle board to the ceiling. I agree with you that you don't get as much holding power with a screw in 1x or 2x material mounted flat, but if you're handing something with many individual screws then it'll probably be fine. In my case, my pulley brackets each have 2 mounting holes, and I'll mount 3 pulleys plus a fixed-pount pad-eye, which actually has 4 mounting holes. I think I'll use a scrap 2x6 as my surface cleat. So then the weight of the paddle board will be distributed across 10 screws that will go through the full 1.5 inches of the 2x6. With #10 construction screws, I would guess that it could easily hold 1000 pounds, although I only need it to hold ~40 pounds.
Good idea, cluttered! I think you’re going to have more than enough strength there. 🙂
very clear and helpful ty
You are giving all this info away for free. Thank yoooouuuuu!!!!!
Thank you for this brilliant explanation as I'm completely clueless. I have two children and we have hung swings indoors before but they were light and now they're older. We need an adult swing with heavy loads. We have a plasterboard ceiling so I'd love your advice. What's best as there is a specific space I'd like to make sure its robust and strong. Thanks so much.
Stumbled across this video looking for some suggestions for some attentional projects, good job! Moving recently to South Florida, I've found that folks confuse joist with trusses. Trusses are used nearly exculsively on new builds and folks don't under stand that the bottom load of a truss is drywall weight and nothing else. Without some extensive reengineering of the ceiling support you can't hang squat.
just what the doctor ordered.
this is a life saver! 👏
Well, that's all really nice to know about and only after I watched it all I realized that none of this will work in my flat because I got some weird old ceiling made of plaster and straw and old, brittle wooden beams holding this together. Yes, I'm in Europe and we got old houses here with massive walls but shitty ceilings...at least to hang stuff from. ;-)
I know this is a US market channel, but I wish you made a portion of this video for us european smucks! Our homes are made of brick walls and concrete, I was looking for some tips for hanging a heavy celling fan, but your walls are made of wood and paper of there so no use for people like me... Joking on the paper and wood, was a joke lol :D
Thanks for the great explanation and different options to use.
How would I find the joists if my ceiling has strapping. Furthermore, how do you mount something to hang if the strapping sits lower than the joists?
Thank you.
this is such an easy to follow and educational video! i have a concrete ceiling in my kitchen and want to hang a pot and pan rack, how would you do this in concrete?
Great stuff as always...I've used Raco braces for a lot of ceiling fans now as well as some heavy-ish lights...the Raco's are actually a very strong solution PROVIDED they're installed right...I hung 140 lbs. on one once just to test it and it didn't flinch a sixteenth of an inch...most 52 inch ceiling fans feel like a ton but they actually run like 18-25 lbs fully installed
Another Excellent Verbal and Visual Demonstrations!!!
I've used a board to spread very light loads over a plaster ceiling, but prefer supports to be many times stronger than necessary so usually attach to joists. However, more often than not the desired position isn't aligned well with a joist, so I employ a variation of option 3. Instead of screwing a single piece directly to the joists, I screw a block of 4x2 on each end of a bridging member, and then screw the side blocks to the joists with the bridge touching the ceiling underneath, ready to attach the fixture. This way I have screws embedded in lots of material, and all through face or edge grain. I'm only a DIYer so a little more time and material isn't an issue.
Wow. This was an excellent video. Thank you!
Agree that the weight limits on some fasteners is too high, I never push those limits either. Was glad to hear you point that out.
Thank you for another helpful video!
You’re welcome, Susan! Thank you 😄
THANK YOU! This is the exact video I need to hang a heavy bag so I will add a ceiling block on end to even out the forces.
Should work well! A 2x6 with three screws per end is max strength 🙂
@@TheHonestCarpenter 🤜🏼🙏
Thank you. I have a couple places where I need to rework the ceiling lighting and I've been postponing it partly because of not knowing how to approach it and having no almost no experience with making adjustments to existing drywall installs.
Nervous about mounting motorised ceiling t.v mount to concrete ceiling and I was looking for tips for making sure the bolts stay in cement or any other ideas for this would be great
Looking to hang some steel racks from my garage ceiling for storage.
The threaded rod method may actually work well for me
I am really thankful for this video, it was so helpful and inspiring to me who was always curious about how a lot of things hang seamlessly in interior design, now I gotcha 🙏👍
What about using a long toggle bolt to attach the metal part of the toggle bolt on the other side of the joist?
Building a big acoustic treatment cloud to hang in my studio and this is so helpful. Detailed, but brief and the to the point. Thanks so much!
same here lol
This was really helpful, I'm trying to mount a Monitor in my office and I don't want visible cabling so these options will definitely come in handy. Thank you!
I only have one hard and fast rule when hanging things from the ceiling... “Let me do it!”
Only way to be safe 😆
Very helpful. I'm not handy at all. I'll try your methods. Wish me luck!
Tks. Never stop learning and I learned something today.
This video is SO HELPFUL!! clear, easy to understand! I very much appreciate you and your channel! Thank you!!
Awesome info. What do you recommend for hanging a sensory swing for adults 300lbs or less?
i hung mine on a joist and it has held for 3 years or so
I like recessed surface cleats. It suits my needs, resources, and aesthetics.
I have done the threaded rod suspended shelving. I did one shelf 15’ long, 24” deep anchored to the wall and held by 3 ….5/8” threaded rod through the end corner, in the middle and 3’ from the end. I supported it from the attic with blocking and through a partial floor. I also addded a 9’ x 3’ going down an adjacent wall with 2 threaded rods. I had room for another shelf, so I added another shelf, 4’x 3’ with 2 threaded rods on each end. I used flake board, on all. I have $50 in this whole project because the lumber was free from a neighbor getting rid of a platform bed. The threaded rod was $1 a foot from Craigslist and the nuts, washers, and lock washers were the rest.
Is there a non-destructive way to test if the joist in a house is strong enough for heavy loads? And, is there a difference if the load is in motion, e.g. a swing?
Would you recommend attaching a hanging bench to blocking installed between open rafters?
Do you have a video just on option 2 that explains how to avoided wires
Hi, I'm thinking of adding an anchor with 2 screwing bolts for hanging ladder, swing, rope maybe a chair. I was told that I might require to increase the strength of the joists to avoid any issues. Is that statement true or should I just go for it and find the center of the joist and screw it?
My dad used a variation of your option 4 to hang a big chandelier. He used a quarter inch steel plate, attached to joists with countersunk screws. There was a hole drilled in its center to allow the chandelier wires through. If you really look at it, it's not elegant, but almost nobody notices. I suppose you could engrave an artistic design on it and consider it decorative.
Make the plate round with the holes in the centre and or put some crown moding ontop of it and it will look 100% intentional
Need to mount an aerial silk to the bedroom ceiling, so I'm either going with option 2a (screw 2x6 between joists w/ metal eye hook) or lay wood flat on top of joists and run a longer metal post. I'm wondering if that is overkill & I could have screwed directly into the joist? In any case, thank you!
Thanks! Exactly the information I was looking for!
Great to hear, String Theory! 😄
Perfect. I'll add blocking to my unfinished basement ceiling joists to hang an old 90lb TV and ceiling mount in just the right location.
Thank you Honest Carpenter!