I am 77 years old and underwent a conversion experience in June 19 70. As a new believer I began attending a Christian and missionary alliance Church in Castro Valley California. They periodically featured Bill Gothard basic youth conflict seminars. Even as a new believer I was struck by the “formulas“ and legalism that was the foundation of most of his teachings. That brought up a red flag and I realized that he was doing more harm than good. Now, 54 years later (having spent decades in both volunteer and professional Christian ministry) I now recognize that most of Christianity is a man-made religion. Done well, is accomplishes good; done poorly, it does more harm than good.
Nika, I am here in the foothills of Georgia, hearing you speak tonight in my studio. Thank you for your comments about not adding to Scripture. Bill Gothard added to Scripture, and his lifestyle bore witness to that false doctrine. Fifty years ago my girlfriend and I attended one of his seminars. Our marriage, now 48 years old, survived, his teaching did not.
Every main stream Church adds to the scripture. No bothers do do research, and learn Hebrew, and Greek to help know truth. If you do you will find you have added your understanding to scripture not God's.
@@hargisP2 Teaching, or preaching the Word of God is a sacred calling and task. It is a labor that few should attempt, and then with proper fear and trembling. Sermon prep has more in common with construction work than anything else. Most of the men in churches, like those started by the likes of Mike Bickle and Robert Morris, have pastors that prance to and fro on stage, a creepy mix of used car salesmen and clowns. This arrogance and pomp is more suitable for the stages of rock and roll concerts. Mick Jagger, who is a strutting roster, has more poise than do these boys in men's bodies mentioned above.
Yeah, my wife and I went to an "Institute in Basic Youth Conflicts" seminar, and like you said, gained some good teaching on character development for raising our kids. But on what may have been our second seminar, he started in on music. As a musician who had been greatly impacted for good, via the music of the Jesus Movement, I had big problems with him trying to teach that certain types of beats appealed to the "base nature", and couldn't be called Christian. I was raised in a pretty solid Bible teaching church and knew enough that he was going outside of what scripture taught. Just one more reason why Christians need read and study the Bible for themselves, and measure ALL teachings against the word of God!
I'm not an author nor had I ever heard of Bill Gothard. I am a Catholic and Christian and enjoyed immensely your discussion of this man and the clarity of your speech. Good luck with your podcast and it deserves to grow.
Some of my children became estranged from us because of Bill Gothard. It is slow reconciliation, but happening. They saw me as legalistic. I was not but it came across that way. My son and son in law from ALERT warned me but it would be years till truth came out. Bill is a human as I and so I forgive him. We needed to hear who God is, then law will be a desired thing to obey... not OT law but God's law.
I went to his "Basic" seminar 3 times. The first time I liked it a lot. The second time it began to get on my nerves and the third time was the last time. There are a lot of places where I can get good teaching without having to jump through his hoops.
My children are in their mid to late 40s and still have issues stemming from this man's teaching that our church at the time aspoused. . When the church fell apart there were all sorts of abuse that came out from pedo to locking kids in closets to beating them half to death until 'they layed quietly and whimpered' as you beat them. Looking back , I don't know how we all could have been so stupid but we were.
I went to Gothard's basic seminar as a brand new believer at the age of 37. I remember he was very legalistic. I also remember leaving the seminar thinking "no one can meet the standards he taught.'
My father exact opposite was the same as he got saved mid-30 in the 70s. Someone introduced my dad to Bill Gothards teaching, and he embraced his basic concepts he did not hold to every teaching. Even though he has not read a book by him in over 20 years, that mentality is inbeded in him.
The sad part is when many have been deceived and lied to believe another gospel and another Jesus. Including children sent to the training center's from the juvenile court's or in the Russian orphanage.
Many didn't "feel abused" Many have been. Including many in government position's that were deceived and lied to believe another gospel and another Jesus😢 Are you aware, 2 children placed in the training center were the very one's that helped expose the deceiption & lie's?
His attempt to teach math with the Bible threw me off. The character stuff was good, authority being an umbrella of protection is an important teaching completely lost on many today.
1. Christian principle is not the Text. 2. Christ alone is Lord of the conscience. 3. Let your words be few. 4. For 99% of Evangelical leaders, silence is wisdom.
That assessment is absolutely false!! Many men, called by GOD, anointed by GOD have started out right and due to ego and money ended up so wrong. Bill was one of those persons and the damage he ultimately did far outweighed any of the good. Sadly, Bill will only be remembered as a cult leader….!
@@cherylbusch6236 His doctrine was false from Day One of his ministry. The fact that a single man even STARTED such a ministry proved how wrong he was *_from the beginning_* .
@kaymoore7478 "Isn't it so easy to be critical of a man committed to Christ. " You are calling a child molester "a man committed to Christ"?!?!?!??? Do you HEAR yourself, you wicked person?????
@@kaymoore7478 Unchristian? So, you would rather he continued to lie and deceive his follower's? Do you know how many families were deceived and lied to believe another gospel and another Jesus? Why accuse other's of being "unchristian"? 😢 have you simply listened to other's that were sent to the training center's? Or mother's that were abused by their husband's & lost children? Are you aware of how many in the IBLP or not were abused by his teaching's? Christ Jesus our One True Living Shepherd Lord and Saviour protected the poor, weak, widow's, fatherless. Hireling's do not care about other's.
I am 77 years old and underwent a conversion experience in June 19 70.
As a new believer I began attending a Christian and missionary alliance Church in Castro Valley California. They periodically featured Bill Gothard basic youth conflict seminars.
Even as a new believer I was struck by the “formulas“ and legalism that was the foundation of most of his teachings. That brought up a red flag and I realized that he was doing more harm than good.
Now, 54 years later (having spent decades in both volunteer and professional Christian ministry) I now recognize that most of Christianity is a man-made religion. Done well, is accomplishes good; done poorly, it does more harm than good.
Nika, I am here in the foothills of Georgia, hearing you speak tonight in my studio. Thank you for your comments about not adding to Scripture. Bill Gothard added to Scripture, and his lifestyle bore witness to that false doctrine. Fifty years ago my girlfriend and I attended one of his seminars. Our marriage, now 48 years old, survived, his teaching did not.
Like Jesus said of the Pharisees, teaching as doctrine the precepts of man.
Every main stream Church adds to the scripture. No bothers do do research, and learn Hebrew, and Greek to help know truth. If you do you will find you have added your understanding to scripture not God's.
@@hargisP2 Teaching, or preaching the Word of God is a sacred calling and task. It is a labor that few should attempt, and then with proper fear and trembling. Sermon prep has more in common with construction work than anything else.
Most of the men in churches, like those started by the likes of Mike Bickle and Robert Morris, have pastors that prance to and fro on stage, a creepy mix of used car salesmen and clowns. This arrogance and pomp is more suitable for the stages of rock and roll concerts. Mick Jagger, who is a strutting roster, has more poise than do these boys in men's bodies mentioned above.
Yeah, my wife and I went to an "Institute in Basic Youth Conflicts" seminar, and like you said, gained some good teaching on character development for raising our kids. But on what may have been our second seminar, he started in on music. As a musician who had been greatly impacted for good, via the music of the Jesus Movement, I had big problems with him trying to teach that certain types of beats appealed to the "base nature", and couldn't be called Christian. I was raised in a pretty solid Bible teaching church and knew enough that he was going outside of what scripture taught. Just one more reason why Christians need read and study the Bible for themselves, and measure ALL teachings against the word of God!
I'm not an author nor had I ever heard of Bill Gothard. I am a Catholic and Christian and enjoyed immensely your discussion
of this man and the clarity of your speech. Good luck with your podcast and it deserves to grow.
Wow. Thank you! It was so kind of you to take a moment to write something so encouraging. I deeply appreciate it.
Some of my children became estranged from us because of Bill Gothard. It is slow reconciliation, but happening.
They saw me as legalistic. I was not but it came across that way. My son and son in law from ALERT warned me but it would be years till truth came out. Bill is a human as I and so I forgive him.
We needed to hear who God is, then law will be a desired thing to obey... not OT law but God's law.
I went to his "Basic" seminar 3 times. The first time I liked it a lot. The second time it began to get on my nerves and the third time was the last time. There are a lot of places where I can get good teaching without having to jump through his hoops.
My children are in their mid to late 40s and still have issues stemming from this man's teaching that our church at the time aspoused. . When the church fell apart there were all sorts of abuse that came out from pedo to locking kids in closets to beating them half to death until 'they layed quietly and whimpered' as you beat them. Looking back , I don't know how we all could have been so stupid but we were.
That is terrible. I am so sorry.
I went to Gothard's basic seminar as a brand new believer at the age of 37. I remember he was very legalistic. I also remember leaving the seminar thinking "no one can meet the standards he taught.'
My father exact opposite was the same as he got saved mid-30 in the 70s. Someone introduced my dad to Bill Gothards teaching, and he embraced his basic concepts he did not hold to every teaching. Even though he has not read a book by him in over 20 years, that mentality is inbeded in him.
"He started developing a solution."
That should have been the first warning sign. The solution is the gospel of Jesus Christ, not some program.
The sad part is when many have been deceived and lied to believe another gospel and another Jesus.
Including children sent to the training center's from the juvenile court's or in the Russian orphanage.
Many didn't
"feel abused"
Many have been.
Including many in government position's that were deceived and lied to believe another gospel
and another Jesus😢
Are you aware, 2 children placed in the training center were the very one's that helped expose the deceiption & lie's?
His attempt to teach math with the Bible threw me off. The character stuff was good, authority being an umbrella of protection is an important teaching completely lost on many today.
The umbrella of protection often leaks very badly.
Another great and informative presentation Nika. Thank you : )
Nice episode it 🎉
1. Christian principle is not the Text.
2. Christ alone is Lord of the conscience.
3. Let your words be few.
4. For 99% of Evangelical leaders, silence is wisdom.
Nothing "happened" to him. He did not start well and go bad. He was ALWAYS bad news.
It just took a while to be undeniable and public.
That assessment is absolutely false!!
Many men, called by GOD, anointed by GOD have started out right and due to ego and money ended up so wrong.
Bill was one of those persons and the damage he ultimately did far outweighed any of the good.
Sadly, Bill will only be remembered as a cult leader….!
@@cherylbusch6236 His doctrine was false from Day One of his ministry.
The fact that a single man even STARTED such a ministry proved how wrong he was *_from the beginning_* .
Isn't it so easy to be critical of a man committed to Christ.
@kaymoore7478 "Isn't it so easy to be critical of a man committed to Christ. "
You are calling a child molester "a man committed to Christ"?!?!?!???
Do you HEAR yourself, you wicked person?????
"You shall know them by their fruits." His fruit is rotten.
Glad ole Billy Bob's gone.Good by Bill.
What a most unchristian thing to say.
@@kaymoore7478
Unchristian?
So, you would rather he continued to lie and deceive his follower's?
Do you know how many families were deceived and lied to believe another gospel
and another Jesus?
Why accuse other's of being
"unchristian"?
😢 have you simply listened to other's that were sent to the training center's?
Or mother's that were abused by their husband's
& lost children?
Are you aware of how many in the IBLP or not were abused by his teaching's?
Christ Jesus our One True Living Shepherd Lord and Saviour protected the poor, weak, widow's, fatherless.
Hireling's do not care about other's.