Great, of course. By the way, Russell called the book A History, not "The History..." He understood Hus work was not the last word on this vast subject.
"The sexual members, like the rest of the body, would've obeyed the will." Did... did Augustine HAVE a body? pretty much none of it obeys the will. Did he think having a beating heart was sinful?
If we assume that certain sexual activity such as incest, marriage infidelity, pedophilia, amongst others, is sinful or wicked, then he was referring to the fact that sexual urges tend to overpower the will. Involuntary movements controlled by the cerebellum do not operate at a higher level of brain reasoning that is associated with conscious decisions to do good or evil.
Interestingly enough almost none of the Orthodox (read 'Eastern') churches acknowledge Augustine as a saint. A priest explained that it was in *part* due to his questionable attitudes towards the body in view of the Incarnation.
I was born Roman Catholic in the Philippines , when I was 40 yrs. old I became a merchant marine . I worked onboard a ship for 2 yrs. straight w/o going back home, I had plenty of time so I spent that time reading a Bible that I found in my cabin . I loved reading since I was young so I read the book from cover to cover . Because of that I became an atheist , I became convinced that it was very obviously man made mythology and nothing else .
Sorry to hear that you are EL DIABLO now, I'm a christian I believe 💯% in Jesus Christ, my salvation, I have seen him, my foundation is the unmovable ROCK, JESUS
@@eldiablo9841 I saw Jesus Christ, my testimony is true, the picture in the logo is the picture I took of Jesus when he appeared to me, he is real, and is not a fairy tales, GOD BLESS
@@hermenutic Well, there is one sin for certain and one possible sin. The certain sin is that of the vasectomy, which takes all of the responsibility out of the sexual act. In so doing, he objectifies himself and his partner. The "possible sin" depends one one thing: with whom is he having sexual relations? Is it his wife? Then no problem. Is it an act outside of marriage ... then it's a problem.
@@hermenutic You are not supposed to be "altering yourself" but, he may know himself well (being irresponsible and lustful all at the same time, which is several sins ;). In the natural way of us being, a vasectomy doesn't happen and it does open him up to lots of partners, a green light for being a whore, etc. harlot male version. lol Anyhow, he most likely won't be that selective and could spread disease or perhaps he did several times by now. I think God wanted sex to be pleasurable between a man and woman. It does drive us and it is pleasurable. In the bible, they talk about lusting for others wives (commandment), or sleeping with others wives, or divorcing one's wive because of Selfishness. I think selfishness drives a lot of sin. Is this man selfish? What is his intent? to sleep with others without getting them pregnant? or just to be with his wife but not have children? God's Plan is always different than ours. Still, he was the creator and if he made you willing and able to have children, you have gone the selfish route (but want some control over the extent of your mess ups). lol That seems what it could be.
Augustine was influenced by Gnostic theology. And he is the first to introduce Predeterminism into Christianity. This influenced John Calvin. I don't believe that Predeterminism and Total Depravity of the lost was taught before Augustine.
St Augustine was not a persecutor- fascists and dictators who deny people their human rights are persecutors. St Augustine like all the saints and the Catholic Church uphold and explain the truth, and defend it from untruths that contradict it. It is necessary and a joy to share the truth and by expressing, creating, we reveal and develop our understanding which St Thomas Aquinas said is one of the reasons why we live- do gain understanding. And it was St Augustine who first understood 'the fall', the consequences of which we experience in this world. These wounds of original sin explain why the world is imperfect and why there is evil in the world. It was not God's original plan, and that original plan is being realised, although in conflict with the anti-christ's plans which will ultimately fail. St Augustine is one of the greatest thinkers and teachers the world has known.
@@RomanusVII well if you are referring to the "apostles" of gnosticism like the Parthian prophet Mani...maybe not since the GNOSTIC TRADITION pre-existed Augustine... but if you are trying to say that *_any_* of the Christians believed the fatalism and duality that that heretic introduced, you are ill informed of just how foreign and radical Augustine's theology was
@@amaledward2147 Jesus EXCLUSIVELY defines His Disciples *_"IF you continue in my WORD THEN_* you are my disciple indeed and you shall know the truth and TRUTH shall set you free" (John 8:31-32) Jesus warns "...you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honours me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men for laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men," (Mark 7:6-8) do you see that Amal? IN *_VAIN_* do they worship me teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.... men who try to establish their own doctrines do so outside of the Bible and become hypocrite cults who define "Christianity" and "Church"... so whom do you imagine is better than Jesus? which is the cult you have chosen? "Christianity" and Church ...according to whom? the "Church" as defined by whom?.. -the Muslim's definitions of "Church and Christianity" according to Mohamed's lens of the Bible? -the Roman Catholic's definitions of "Church and Christianity" as defined by the Magesterium's lens of the Bible? - The Jehovah's Witness's definitions of "Church and Christianity" as defined by Charles' Taze Russel's "Watch Tower's" lens of the Bible? - The Mormon's definitions of "Church and Christianity" by Joseph Smith and the Mormon "prophet's" lens of the Bible? -The Presbyterian's definitions of "Church and Christianity" as defined by Augustine/John Calvin's lens of the Bible? -The Lutheran's definitions of "Church and Christianity" as defined by Augustine/ Martin Luther's lens of the Bible? -The 7th Day Adventist's definitions of "Church and Christianity" as defined by Ellen White's lens of the Bible? -The Orthodox Catholic's definitions of "Church and Christianity" as defined by 11th century "Patriarch's" lens of the Bible? -The Pentecostal's definitions of "Church and Christianity" as defined by every nutcase and televangelist on TV's blindfold to the bible?? If you do not let the BIBLE define the BIBLICAL terms you are in a cult because you love the praise of men more than GOD. [John 12:43]
Not a sequential account of Augustine, leaving out his early years as a Manichaeist, then turning Christian, and finally returning to Manichaeist, Gnostic, and Stoic ideas in refutation of his Christian beliefs. His vehement argument against the more biblically correct and milder Pelagius and Augustine's strange conclusions about sin based on an argument on infant baptism has damaged and split the church to this day. It's no wonder the Orthodox church rejects him, too bad the Western church didn't follow suit.
Stefan Fouche nope because truth exists on its own and God has remained it however Satan has tried to unite the pagan beliefs with the true Word of God and therefore division must happen in order for truth to distinguish its self from false belief. We can’t compromise truth and that’s where Augustine comes I guess.
I'm not sure most stories I've heard use the apple, but I have also heard stories using a pomegranate, and one story I heard instead of an apple it was a banana.
You know it's interesting as when Adam and Eve ate the fruit they cover themselves with fig leaves. A lot of scholars believe the fruit they ate of the tree of Good and Evil was the fig tree, cuz they covered themselves quickly, and then when you study the tree that Jesus cursed it was a fig tree. And a parable Jesus tells us learn the parable of the fig tree for the end times. Its very interesting ... I'm starting to study "the tree". On a spiritual level. How would happen in Exodus they looked upon the serpent on the tree and where saved. then we believe Upon Jesus on a tree we can be saved. Jesus said my father's The Gardener and I'am the vine and whoever eats of this tree shall be saved.
I know it’s been 2 years, but I think you should listen again. Russell is saying, quite clearly, that Plato and Aristotle did NOT accept creation out of nothing.
Sean Stark Lyndon LaRouche, nice lol. I hadn’t actually read anything from that old lunatic until just now, but let me tell you, it was certainly entertaining to skim through that article.
Sean Stark alright, you’ve provided an actual quote from one of Russell’s writings. I agree that that’s more relevant than someone’s opinion of him. Although I don’t know much about Russell, I do know that some of his early writings on race (like the passage you quoted above on how socialism would affect different races of the world) reflected poorly on him, and deservedly so. I’m not going to defend those or any other writings composed during an era of widespread bigoted and pseudoscientific thinking, but I will say that Russell’s views on race changed considerably (for the better). And please keep in mind, my original reply was simply an attempt to clarify what I perceived to be a misunderstanding, on your part, of a point that Russell was making about the difference between Ancient Greek and biblical accounts of creation. I’d be more than happy to stop discussing the character or Russell or LaRouche, as I’m not interested in having a debate.
17:30 "....eating the apple...." why does everybody but me think its an apple? the bible doesn't say its an apple. just fruit. I always thought of it as a peach or nectarine.
The old English word for fruit is "apple", i.e., it used to be a generic word for any fruit. The word fruit came from French after the invasion and may French words came into English usage. So, in that sense, as an old English word, "apple" just meant "fruit". I should add, I am a firm believer that the "fruit" in Genesis is symbolic, after all, it says "fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil," which I think makes it self-evident that it's not a literal fruit.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on what you think it means. I have ran this thought across my mind as well many of times; and have a possibility of what it could mean based on other events that are stated, and that have unrolled in the Bible. Please advise.
I came up with anything he said here, so I guess I deserved a high place as a philosopher when I was a young teenager. Either that or Augustine's philosophy isn't so profound after all.
If God blesses us all, as some Christians wish, then Hell will be redundant. In addition, when Christ returns to separate the sheep from the goats, he will have no work to do. It seems obvious to me that there cannot be too many people in Heaven as we will be lost. How will I be reunited with my mother in a crowd of many billions ?
@The Expat Dodo I've often wondered why humans are so variable. Some people are good at painting, others like to rob banks. Adam and Eve could not resist the temptation of the forbidden fruit. Personally I prefer beans on toast topped with melted grated cheese.
@The Expat Dodo When God designed the human species, he made one or two mistakes in my opinion. He made us weak with very poor resistance to beguiling snakes and toenails that have to be cut. On the other hand, Jesus had no difficulty in resisting temptation, as we know from Matthew 4:1-11 If God had given us smart toenails and good characters like Jesus, we would all be happier.
Is it true that this man was killed Valentine in born 😂 why do prophet get killed while the world watch on as if nothing matters, yet only matters if it’s you’re own darkest day
@@kpllc4209 The bible doesn't "state" the world is 6000 year old. It is information acquired by adding the ages of patriarchs in the geologies, going back to Adam.
Time bar mark 31:50 "All who die un-baptize, including infants, will go to hell”?? Where did St. Augustine state this? Or is someone mocking St. Augustine? Time bar mark 33:25 "... un-baptized infants, limbs of Satan...”??? I find this video remarkable and astonishing shocking! Time bar mark 34:10 I will do more readings in St. Augustine's confessions to see if his writings on the death of "infants not baptized" and the "merits of virginity" help lead the church into untold superstitions and the dark ages. Personal comment on this painful lifelong topic; I do not see God, the one three-in-one creator and His infinite Holy wisdom,birthing anyone for hell, I only see the one Cross of salvation while sadly believing there is a Hell filled with non-Christians.
Augustine stumbled over the fate of infants and argued with Pelagius about it. Plenty of accurate historical sources, you can read the scholarly Dr. Ken Wilson's book "The Foundation of Augustinian-Calvinism" or for a quick read head to the Wikipedia page on Augustinian-Calvinism. Even the wiki page has a ton of references and actually reads accurate.
Augustine was highly trained and schooled in rhetoric, listening to his writings show the arrogance and narcissistic personality thus man had. His views which are shown NOWHERE in scripture, he writes about them so matter of facts as if they're known facts, then 28 yr old John Calvin simply regurgitated the same views, unbelievable that people that have the Word of God in front ofthem hold to thes views as actually quite unbelievable to me.
It went on far too long. Get to the point. I did fall asleep half way through and only got a few things out of this one. I think it was his voice that actually put me to sleep. lol
All Christians need to study the Book of Jude to understand what is required of us all in these times we live in. May God Bless You All.
We are living in modern day Sodom and Gomorrah.
@@thecarlitosshow7687 for real.
@@thecarlitosshow7687 Only someone with a false prophet or fake preacher would say that.
Great, of course. By the way, Russell called the book A History, not "The History..." He understood Hus work was not the last word on this vast subject.
"The sexual members, like the rest of the body, would've obeyed the will."
Did... did Augustine HAVE a body? pretty much none of it obeys the will. Did he think having a beating heart was sinful?
If we assume that certain sexual activity such as incest, marriage infidelity, pedophilia, amongst others, is sinful or wicked, then he was referring to the fact that sexual urges tend to overpower the will. Involuntary movements controlled by the cerebellum do not operate at a higher level of brain reasoning that is associated with conscious decisions to do good or evil.
I believe as he felt a “stirring “ in the public baths and that sent him off the rails.
Interestingly enough almost none of the Orthodox (read 'Eastern') churches acknowledge Augustine as a saint.
A priest explained that it was in *part* due to his questionable attitudes towards the body in view of the Incarnation.
You have the holy Catholic Church. You have 48,000 protestant CULTS including the orthodox CULTS
I was born Roman Catholic in the Philippines , when I was 40 yrs. old I became a merchant marine . I worked onboard a ship for 2 yrs. straight w/o going back home, I had plenty of time so I spent that time reading a Bible that I found in my cabin . I loved reading since I was young so I read the book from cover to cover . Because of that I became an atheist , I became convinced that it was very obviously man made mythology and nothing else .
Sorry to hear that you are EL DIABLO now, I'm a christian I believe 💯% in Jesus Christ, my salvation, I have seen him, my foundation is the unmovable ROCK, JESUS
@@juliorivera870 I also 100% believe that all religions are manmade mythologies and superstitious fairy tales .
@@eldiablo9841 I saw Jesus Christ, my testimony is true, the picture in the logo is the picture I took of Jesus when he appeared to me, he is real, and is not a fairy tales, GOD BLESS
@@juliorivera870 you are having delusions my friend .
@@eldiablo9841 a picture is proof not a delusion, 2uears in the hole in the ship. Made you believe that the bible is fairly tales.
He was a very clear thinking and common sense theologian and philosopher. Whether you agree or not you know how he came to his conclusions.
If a married man has a vasectomy is it a sin if he has sex?
@@hermenutic Well, there is one sin for certain and one possible sin. The certain sin is that of the vasectomy, which takes all of the responsibility out of the sexual act. In so doing, he objectifies himself and his partner. The "possible sin" depends one one thing: with whom is he having sexual relations? Is it his wife? Then no problem. Is it an act outside of marriage ... then it's a problem.
@@hermenutic You are not supposed to be "altering yourself" but, he may know himself well (being irresponsible and lustful all at the same time, which is several sins ;). In the natural way of us being, a vasectomy doesn't happen and it does open him up to lots of partners, a green light for being a whore, etc. harlot male version. lol Anyhow, he most likely won't be that selective and could spread disease or perhaps he did several times by now. I think God wanted sex to be pleasurable between a man and woman. It does drive us and it is pleasurable. In the bible, they talk about lusting for others wives (commandment), or sleeping with others wives, or divorcing one's wive because of Selfishness. I think selfishness drives a lot of sin. Is this man selfish? What is his intent? to sleep with others without getting them pregnant? or just to be with his wife but not have children? God's Plan is always different than ours. Still, he was the creator and if he made you willing and able to have children, you have gone the selfish route (but want some control over the extent of your mess ups). lol That seems what it could be.
Augustine was rendered an idiot by adherence to religious fantasy.
Augustine was influenced by Gnostic theology. And he is the first to introduce Predeterminism into Christianity. This influenced John Calvin. I don't believe that Predeterminism and Total Depravity of the lost was taught before Augustine.
exceptional brains Africa has ever produced
"God, make me chase, just not yet."-St. Augustine.
Chase whom, Mr Harbin?
Chaste.
Not chase!
Why did you censor my devastating quotes from the illustrious Evil one...?
Is the narrator's son practising on his drums somewhere in the house? 🤔
St Augustine was not a persecutor- fascists and dictators who deny people their human rights are persecutors. St Augustine like all the saints and the Catholic Church uphold and explain the truth, and defend it from untruths that contradict it. It is necessary and a joy to share the truth and by expressing, creating, we reveal and develop our understanding which St Thomas Aquinas said is one of the reasons why we live- do gain understanding. And it was St Augustine who first understood 'the fall', the consequences of which we experience in this world. These wounds of original sin explain why the world is imperfect and why there is evil in the world. It was not God's original plan, and that original plan is being realised, although in conflict with the anti-christ's plans which will ultimately fail. St Augustine is one of the greatest thinkers and teachers the world has known.
at least you recognize your church establishes doctrines 400+ years _after_ Jesus was here
@@inTruthbyGrace
The theology proposed by Augustine does not contradict preexisting Apostolic Tradition.
@@RomanusVII well if you are referring to the "apostles" of gnosticism like the Parthian prophet Mani...maybe not since the GNOSTIC TRADITION pre-existed Augustine... but if you are trying to say that *_any_* of the Christians believed the fatalism and duality that that heretic introduced, you are ill informed of just how foreign and radical Augustine's theology was
@@inTruthbyGrace Church can establish doctrines still. You don’t understand Christianity
@@amaledward2147 Jesus EXCLUSIVELY defines His Disciples *_"IF you continue in my WORD THEN_* you are my disciple indeed and you shall know the truth and TRUTH shall set you free" (John 8:31-32)
Jesus warns "...you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honours me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men for laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men," (Mark 7:6-8)
do you see that Amal? IN *_VAIN_* do they worship me teaching for doctrines the commandments of men....
men who try to establish their own doctrines do so outside of the Bible and become hypocrite cults who define "Christianity" and "Church"...
so whom do you imagine is better than Jesus? which is the cult you have chosen?
"Christianity" and Church ...according to whom?
the "Church" as defined by whom?..
-the Muslim's definitions of "Church and Christianity" according to Mohamed's lens of the Bible?
-the Roman Catholic's definitions of "Church and Christianity" as defined by the Magesterium's lens of the Bible?
- The Jehovah's Witness's definitions of "Church and Christianity" as defined by Charles' Taze Russel's "Watch Tower's" lens of the Bible?
- The Mormon's definitions of "Church and Christianity" by Joseph Smith and the Mormon "prophet's" lens of the Bible?
-The Presbyterian's definitions of "Church and Christianity" as defined by Augustine/John Calvin's lens of the Bible?
-The Lutheran's definitions of "Church and Christianity" as defined by Augustine/ Martin Luther's lens of the Bible?
-The 7th Day Adventist's definitions of "Church and Christianity" as defined by Ellen White's lens of the Bible?
-The Orthodox Catholic's definitions of "Church and Christianity" as defined by 11th century "Patriarch's" lens of the Bible?
-The Pentecostal's definitions of "Church and Christianity" as defined by every nutcase and televangelist on TV's blindfold to the bible??
If you do not let the BIBLE define the BIBLICAL terms you are in a cult because you love the praise of men more than GOD. [John 12:43]
Not a sequential account of Augustine, leaving out his early years as a Manichaeist, then turning Christian, and finally returning to Manichaeist, Gnostic, and Stoic ideas in refutation of his Christian beliefs. His vehement argument against the more biblically correct and milder Pelagius and Augustine's strange conclusions about sin based on an argument on infant baptism has damaged and split the church to this day. It's no wonder the Orthodox church rejects him, too bad the Western church didn't follow suit.
If this man had never been born the church would have been much more united in truth.
Stefan Fouche nope because truth exists on its own and God has remained it however Satan has tried to unite the pagan beliefs with the true Word of God and therefore division must happen in order for truth to distinguish its self from false belief. We can’t compromise truth and that’s where Augustine comes I guess.
Beautiful presentation...Congrats....
I'm not sure most stories I've heard use the apple, but I have also heard stories using a pomegranate, and one story I heard instead of an apple it was a banana.
You know it's interesting as when Adam and Eve ate the fruit they cover themselves with fig leaves. A lot of scholars believe the fruit they ate of the tree of Good and Evil was the fig tree, cuz they covered themselves quickly, and then when you study the tree that Jesus cursed it was a fig tree. And a parable Jesus tells us learn the parable of the fig tree for the end times. Its very interesting ...
I'm starting to study "the tree". On a spiritual level. How would happen in Exodus they looked upon the serpent on the tree and where saved. then we believe Upon Jesus on a tree we can be saved. Jesus said my father's The Gardener and I'am the vine and whoever eats of this tree shall be saved.
For John
Enjoy.
Thankyou.
your welcome.
This is incomplete. You are missing the section on Judaism!!!!
Without body there is no time
Matter i mean
2:07...creation out of nothing...is Not what it says.
Aristotle says "Nothing can come from nothing".
I know it’s been 2 years, but I think you should listen again. Russell is saying, quite clearly, that Plato and Aristotle did NOT accept creation out of nothing.
If you like Russell...here's some fun reading.
"How Bertrand Russel Became an Evil Man".
Lyndon La Rouche 1994
Sean Stark Lyndon LaRouche, nice lol. I hadn’t actually read anything from that old lunatic until just now, but let me tell you, it was certainly entertaining to skim through that article.
If all of his writings are like that, then his reputation is very well deserved.
Sean Stark alright, you’ve provided an actual quote from one of Russell’s writings. I agree that that’s more relevant than someone’s opinion of him. Although I don’t know much about Russell, I do know that some of his early writings on race (like the passage you quoted above on how socialism would affect different races of the world) reflected poorly on him, and deservedly so. I’m not going to defend those or any other writings composed during an era of widespread bigoted and pseudoscientific thinking, but I will say that Russell’s views on race changed considerably (for the better).
And please keep in mind, my original reply was simply an attempt to clarify what I perceived to be a misunderstanding, on your part, of a point that Russell was making about the difference between Ancient Greek and biblical accounts of creation. I’d be more than happy to stop discussing the character or Russell or LaRouche, as I’m not interested in having a debate.
17:30 "....eating the apple...." why does everybody but me think its an apple? the bible doesn't say its an apple. just fruit. I always thought of it as a peach or nectarine.
The old English word for fruit is "apple", i.e., it used to be a generic word for any fruit. The word fruit came from French after the invasion and may French words came into English usage. So, in that sense, as an old English word, "apple" just meant "fruit".
I should add, I am a firm believer that the "fruit" in Genesis is symbolic, after all, it says "fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil," which I think makes it self-evident that it's not a literal fruit.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on what you think it means. I have ran this thought across my mind as well many of times; and have a possibility of what it could mean based on other events that are stated, and that have unrolled in the Bible.
Please advise.
22:47
I came up with anything he said here, so I guess I deserved a high place as a philosopher when I was a young teenager. Either that or Augustine's philosophy isn't so profound after all.
God bless u all
Augustine, the most wicked sophist who ever lived. Plotinus is better in every way.
God Bless ❤️🐦🧸
If God blesses us all, as some Christians wish, then Hell will be redundant.
In addition, when Christ returns to separate the sheep from the goats, he will have no work to do.
It seems obvious to me that there cannot be too many people in Heaven as we will be lost.
How will I be reunited with my mother in a crowd of many billions ?
@The Expat Dodo
I've often wondered why humans are so variable.
Some people are good at painting, others like to rob banks.
Adam and Eve could not resist the temptation of the forbidden fruit.
Personally I prefer beans on toast topped with melted grated cheese.
@The Expat Dodo
When God designed the human species, he made one or two mistakes in my opinion.
He made us weak with very poor resistance to beguiling snakes and toenails that have to be cut.
On the other hand, Jesus had no difficulty in resisting temptation, as we know from Matthew 4:1-11
If God had given us smart toenails and good characters like Jesus, we would all be happier.
such intellectual idiocy. The world is so messed up because of men like Augustin and Aquinas.
@@deconry
You are the first person to give me that information !
@@deconry how so?
Is it true that this man was killed Valentine in born 😂 why do prophet get killed while the world watch on as if nothing matters, yet only matters if it’s you’re own darkest day
''The world is less than 6000 years old...''
Wut?
to many hipster millennials, the Phone is God.
That is what the bible states and that is all he needs to know.
@@kpllc4209 The bible doesn't "state" the world is 6000 year old. It is information acquired by adding the ages of patriarchs in the geologies, going back to Adam.
@@OutworldStudios By assuming Godcreated the world in 6 literal days
Augustine was a bisexual hypocrite.
Augustine was an absolute nut head.
7:35 The city of God
St.Augustine whas a Free Men Means Amazigh "Berber" like Arius or Tertulian ♓AMAZIGH4LIFE
Copper Color PPL!
Aristotle and Plato will always make this doddling hypocrite look like a fool, and anything BUT a philosopher.
Time bar mark 31:50 "All who die un-baptize, including infants, will go to hell”?? Where did St. Augustine state this? Or is someone mocking St. Augustine? Time bar mark 33:25 "... un-baptized infants, limbs of Satan...”??? I find this video remarkable and astonishing shocking! Time bar mark 34:10 I will do more readings in St. Augustine's confessions to see if his writings on the death of "infants not baptized" and the "merits of
virginity" help lead the church into untold superstitions and the dark ages. Personal comment on this painful lifelong topic; I do not see God, the one three-in-one creator and His infinite Holy wisdom,birthing anyone for hell, I only see the one Cross of salvation while sadly believing there is a Hell filled with non-Christians.
Perception is not reality!
Agustine wrote other books other than The Confessions.
Augustine stumbled over the fate of infants and argued with Pelagius about it. Plenty of accurate historical sources, you can read the scholarly Dr. Ken Wilson's book "The Foundation of Augustinian-Calvinism" or for a quick read head to the Wikipedia page on Augustinian-Calvinism. Even the wiki page has a ton of references and actually reads accurate.
Augustine was highly trained and schooled in rhetoric, listening to his writings show the arrogance and narcissistic personality thus man had. His views which are shown NOWHERE in scripture, he writes about them so matter of facts as if they're known facts, then 28 yr old John Calvin simply regurgitated the same views, unbelievable that people that have the Word of God in front ofthem hold to thes views as actually quite unbelievable to me.
This is boring...
Jeff Chapman Because you don't have interests/curiosity
It went on far too long. Get to the point. I did fall asleep half way through and only got a few things out of this one. I think it was his voice that actually put me to sleep. lol