After of his long sojourn and journey of finding peace of mind and happiness on earth tried every sort of pleasure on his time he summed it all with this line on his book the Confession Our hearts are restless, until it rest to Thee my Lord my God! K
How can anyone pay attention to history, including aeons of pre-human history, and still think that "original peace" is anything other than a fantasy and that "violence is a contingency" is delusional? Striving after the impossible.
Because historical time itself is fallen. The Christian vision of reality, revealed in the resurrection, is that our time of death and decay is a fallen time, a shadow of the higher angelic time that more closely reflects the life of the Trinity. So pointing to history doesn't help your case of saying peace isn't more primordial than violence. Also, this Christian vision also makes most phenomenological sense too as well as metaphysical. The natural orientation of our consciousness is towards more life and goodness, all death is interpreted as an interruption to this. Christ's act of destroying death is the restoration of this original creation which we have a hint of in our depths.
Ah, that cheeky Augustine, fooling around with such silly notions as "predestination". A shame he couldn't stay out of trouble... I can only imagine he was overwhelmed by the desire, and couldn't help himself. :P
Does that mean it is not "justice" to fight mass murderers like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, or massacres of Rawanda or the slave traders or the massacres of Christians or Jews or Muslims, and on and on and on ...
“Just war” theory was a critique of the pagan conception of war for any reason, not a defense of war against pacifism. People who try to read Augustine as promoting violence totally misread his context.
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After of his long sojourn and journey of finding peace of mind and happiness on earth tried every sort of pleasure on his time he summed it all with this line on his book the Confession Our hearts are restless, until it rest to Thee my Lord my God! K
This was very helpful. I've begun reading through, Augustine's Confessions and hope to read through his City of God. Thank you.
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Yet another excellent video with John. Sadly, you've misspelled Augustine in the title.
I enjoyed this.
How can anyone pay attention to history, including aeons of pre-human history, and still think that "original peace" is anything other than a fantasy and that "violence is a contingency" is delusional?
Striving after the impossible.
Because historical time itself is fallen. The Christian vision of reality, revealed in the resurrection, is that our time of death and decay is a fallen time, a shadow of the higher angelic time that more closely reflects the life of the Trinity. So pointing to history doesn't help your case of saying peace isn't more primordial than violence. Also, this Christian vision also makes most phenomenological sense too as well as metaphysical. The natural orientation of our consciousness is towards more life and goodness, all death is interpreted as an interruption to this. Christ's act of destroying death is the restoration of this original creation which we have a hint of in our depths.
Wouldn’t this original state by definition be original, and therefore pre-historic.
Who is the theologian mentioned at 10:38?
Origen
Billhawk74 I think he says 'almost followed by (Hans Urs von) Balthasar and (Joseph) Ratzinger'..?
He mentions John Scotus Eriugena, Irish Theologian, 9th Century.
That was 44 Ums Dr. Milbank 😒
But as an Augustine hater, I appreciated your input very much! Thank you!
why dont you like Augustine?
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Ah, that cheeky Augustine, fooling around with such silly notions as "predestination". A shame he couldn't stay out of trouble... I can only imagine he was overwhelmed by the desire, and couldn't help himself. :P
The so-called "Just War" is a sound and truly Christian reason never to study Augustine.
There's a pretty severe stretch of the word "reason". . .
Does that mean it is not "justice" to fight mass murderers like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, or massacres of Rawanda or the slave traders or the massacres of Christians or Jews or Muslims, and on and on and on ...
“Just war” theory was a critique of the pagan conception of war for any reason, not a defense of war against pacifism. People who try to read Augustine as promoting violence totally misread his context.
So you shipwreck the early theologian from whom we have the most extant works on the basis of your prejudice against a single idea?
@@normbabbitt4325 that is what it means. We are not to confront evil.