RECOURSE/CLARIFICATION: -Kabuki didn’t have different manufacturers per bulk order. They simply had no inventory on hand because they would have to purchase 4 years worth of raw material to do so, so they made each bar to order. -The Kabuki prototype was used for the first time in the 2019 at the KERN US Open. The majority of competitors dropped the bar and then it broke during Jordan Wong’s pull and the rest of the meet was finished on a Texas deadlift bar. The first meet using the bar anybody purchased was infact the American Pro 1. -No PA/IPF money goes towards Sheffield. -Incase it was lost in the semantics of fluid conversation, the only two untested federation’s associated with pedophilic scandals are the USPA & USPC. The rest we don’t view as viable options because of their lack of standards.
People like myself, Jordan Wong, among others are working hard to improve the standards of RPS. At the end of the day it depends on the refs in the chair on the given day and while some feds have stricter standards on average I would say all federations have problems with consistent judging across the board
Rondel, do another country’s nationals as a guest lifter. Or even a PA comp as a guest lifter. They are under the IPF, u just need approval from the association’s president. You can get a qualifying total that way. People from my country have done it before many times
Appreciate the personal insights on the deadlift bar ban situation Lots of great points .... the RPS meets I run will continue to use the kabuki bar this year just saying LOL Joking aside it would be nice to have some more thought into the long term standards, equipment and rules across the board for both tested and untested powerlifting Been in the sport since 2006 and there is still a lot of work to be done!
Just to clarify my stiff bar take: I think discontinuing both speciality bars would aid the sport tremendously, because I think one of powerlifting’s biggest strengths is relatability and ease of access and the deadlift/squat bar both provide barriers in these areas. The reason I sort of defended squat bar usage is because I’ve had this discussion against deadlift/speciality bars before and the “safety” aspect of the squat bar is always brought up against me; I didn’t care to entertain that back and forth goalpost shifting again with my initial post so I figured a quick acknowledgement would keep focus on track. All being said, I personally have IPF biases and no skin in the untested game - I heavily empathize with guys like Johnny that’re trying to chase records that get locked behind now banned equipment. On a personal, athlete to athlete level that has to suck, but on a broader PL level I do believe that the best path forward is retiring those records and resetting with a stiff bar and revised rules.
Cant reset all of the texas DL records... So there would still be comparison. But in time, if we switched to all stiff now in a matter of a couple years I believe the stiffy would outdo the texas history. Jesus himself does struggle with the whip and discusses he feels it would be safer on a squat bar, however he manages it, and so can others. I agree.
Just to clarify because I was called out lol 1-2 drug tests at the current price pa pays wada would be $2-$4000 so I mean I don’t know about you but it’s spending half my budget on drug testing just doesn’t seem like a good use of resources. We can disagree on that maybe but I don’t think it’s an irrational take. If John did want to sign up for a local pa meet he would still be in the Wada drug testing pool so he would still be testing just not at the meet. 2: bench depth cannot be judged from the side. The rule says that elbow needs to be below the middle of the shoulder. You literally can’t see the middle of the shoulder from the side so I don’t know what the issue was there lol. We have plenty of cameras at IPF events. We can easily set up replays. Anyway, love the podcast is there any questions about my stances I’m happy to answer so I don’t get misrepresented If you ever wanna hoof to the suburb to train let me know!
The hot takes on local level testing is great. USADA should definitely wake up whenever someone smashes a 100+ dots locally and test that dawg. All PLA members sign into the drug testing pool. However, I do think there’s too high of a risk by event directors or referees for fraud or corruption to perform their own tests.
44:56 Jawon was banned from the USAPL, not the IPF. The WADA code, followed by the IPF and Powerlifting America, requires them to follow the USAPL's ban.
Is there a world where Rondel can compete at powerlifting America nationals? Just need to be member by March 19th 2025 and put up a qualifying total before April 2nd.
So Ron is being blamed for "brigating" by the ipf even though hes done nothing to insight any action calling for his followers to do anything. Sounds like the ipf wants to avoid accountability and silence anyone who doesn't like what they have to say.
Little late to the party. lol. This posdcast was great overall. But man. “You leave guys with integrity no where to go” that whole part came off as whining like a kid. Sounded a bit ridiculous from my old man perspective. What happened to being an athlete and have your integrity while doing it? If you can’t adapt, if Danny can’t adapt, if Tom, dick and harry can’t adapt, then be better. I never even used the kabuki bar in training, never used a squat bar in training, signed up, went and did a plu meet on the tested side in December, with 5 weeks of prep, first time ever touching a kabuki bar, first time ever touching a squat bar. Still totaled over 2k on that day. Needing some specialty bar to be “good” is ridiculous. I’m 37 years old and only been powerlifting for right at 4 years. Train in my little shed of a gym. If I can do it. I’m pretty sure anyone can lol. A tiny record having to use a specialty bar to obtain it isn’t something to be too proud of id say lol. Just be stronger on other bars. Still an awesome listen overall though. Look forward to the next. News over Jawon is too funny lol. That dude blocked me because I laughed at something Derek said to him on a post lol.
John Haack wont beat Colton in April as the ABS Clash of Titans meet is based on total not on DOTs, Haack vs Colton on the power bar and sleeves at the Reach Rumble in September in the US will be the real head to head between them imo, albeit that meet is on total as well so Colton has the advantage but its the closest we'll get as they'll both be in sleeves for it
RECOURSE/CLARIFICATION:
-Kabuki didn’t have different manufacturers per bulk order. They simply had no inventory on hand because they would have to purchase 4 years worth of raw material to do so, so they made each bar to order.
-The Kabuki prototype was used for the first time in the 2019 at the KERN US Open. The majority of competitors dropped the bar and then it broke during Jordan Wong’s pull and the rest of the meet was finished on a Texas deadlift bar. The first meet using the bar anybody purchased was infact the American Pro 1.
-No PA/IPF money goes towards Sheffield.
-Incase it was lost in the semantics of fluid conversation, the only two untested federation’s associated with pedophilic scandals are the USPA & USPC. The rest we don’t view as viable options because of their lack of standards.
People like myself, Jordan Wong, among others are working hard to improve the standards of RPS. At the end of the day it depends on the refs in the chair on the given day and while some feds have stricter standards on average I would say all federations have problems with consistent judging across the board
power bar across the board is the most important change needed in powerlifting to grow the sport exponentially
@@liltuna4107 we can absolutely see this
So glad you guys are back
thanks for sticking with us man!
So happy to get another episode from yall
Really love the open format from y'all. Keep these consistent whenever y'all have some good things to talk about. Great pod!
Johnny going around to local PA meets to make money might be the series of all-time.
I’d be for it! Hosting a $1000 Powerlifting America meet on 2-1-25 with room for 10 more lifters
Great to have you gents back and it was a great recap!
39:09 bro got that lego Batman laugh 😂
Rondel, do another country’s nationals as a guest lifter. Or even a PA comp as a guest lifter. They are under the IPF, u just need approval from the association’s president. You can get a qualifying total that way. People from my country have done it before many times
Appreciate the personal insights on the deadlift bar ban situation
Lots of great points .... the RPS meets I run will continue to use the kabuki bar this year just saying LOL
Joking aside it would be nice to have some more thought into the long term standards, equipment and rules across the board for both tested and untested powerlifting
Been in the sport since 2006 and there is still a lot of work to be done!
great pod! ❤
Just to clarify my stiff bar take: I think discontinuing both speciality bars would aid the sport tremendously, because I think one of powerlifting’s biggest strengths is relatability and ease of access and the deadlift/squat bar both provide barriers in these areas.
The reason I sort of defended squat bar usage is because I’ve had this discussion against deadlift/speciality bars before and the “safety” aspect of the squat bar is always brought up against me; I didn’t care to entertain that back and forth goalpost shifting again with my initial post so I figured a quick acknowledgement would keep focus on track.
All being said, I personally have IPF biases and no skin in the untested game - I heavily empathize with guys like Johnny that’re trying to chase records that get locked behind now banned equipment. On a personal, athlete to athlete level that has to suck, but on a broader PL level I do believe that the best path forward is retiring those records and resetting with a stiff bar and revised rules.
Cant reset all of the texas DL records...
So there would still be comparison. But in time, if we switched to all stiff now in a matter of a couple years I believe the stiffy would outdo the texas history.
Jesus himself does struggle with the whip and discusses he feels it would be safer on a squat bar, however he manages it, and so can others.
I agree.
yes
That bit about Jawon is wild.
Joes 900 has made this year soooo interesting
Just to clarify because I was called out lol 1-2 drug tests at the current price pa pays wada would be $2-$4000 so I mean I don’t know about you but it’s spending half my budget on drug testing just doesn’t seem like a good use of resources. We can disagree on that maybe but I don’t think it’s an irrational take. If John did want to sign up for a local pa meet he would still be in the Wada drug testing pool so he would still be testing just not at the meet.
2: bench depth cannot be judged from the side. The rule says that elbow needs to be below the middle of the shoulder. You literally can’t see the middle of the shoulder from the side so I don’t know what the issue was there lol. We have plenty of cameras at IPF events. We can easily set up replays. Anyway, love the podcast is there any questions about my stances I’m happy to answer so I don’t get misrepresented If you ever wanna hoof to the suburb to train let me know!
25:04 I literally bought the kabuki right before it was mentioned on here that PLU was thinking about taking it away. Very big sad.
The hot takes on local level testing is great. USADA should definitely wake up whenever someone smashes a 100+ dots locally and test that dawg. All PLA members sign into the drug testing pool. However, I do think there’s too high of a risk by event directors or referees for fraud or corruption to perform their own tests.
44:56 Jawon was banned from the USAPL, not the IPF. The WADA code, followed by the IPF and Powerlifting America, requires them to follow the USAPL's ban.
Is there a world where Rondel can compete at powerlifting America nationals? Just need to be member by March 19th 2025 and put up a qualifying total before April 2nd.
Or NAPF?
Trinidad's federation sets the rules for nominating, it's on them.
Sorry Rondel but the 2025 US worlds sweep is now alive 😂
Kjell in 66?
@ ahh fuck yeh you’re right. Nobodies touching him
Nope.
Kjell is the one to end it.
its been too long gentlemen
it has indeed
Could Rondel not compete in NAPF this year to potentially at least qualify for sheffield 2026?
Depends how you qualify for napf
So Ron is being blamed for "brigating" by the ipf even though hes done nothing to insight any action calling for his followers to do anything.
Sounds like the ipf wants to avoid accountability and silence anyone who doesn't like what they have to say.
percisely
It's not the IPF it's Trinidad's fed
Can you do PA meets as a Guest Lifter like how you did USAPL Raw Nats in 2023? We have to see you on some type of platform in 2025
I think he’s planning on doing that but he won’t be able to qualify for worlds from it
Can rondel do Sheffield in 2026?
Can rondel not be nominated to worlds with a total from a comp other than nationals or do the trinidad fed not want to send him?
he unfortunately has no route to the 2025 circuit this year
@@NOBSPL He should legitimately just wear a ski mask and invade IPF Worlds this year, enough of this bullshit!
Hell yea😎
Kabuki nickel 679.99 I’m trying to sell it like ummmm who wants a un usable bar 😕
The matrix got John 😢
must steal him back
🙌🏼🙌🏼
USPL done?
John Haack episode vs IPF | most corrupt competition - who wins?
@@Rosenbench i think i could get the haack episode out in 8k before the IPF stops abusing policy
Kabuki was like ~ 600
Little late to the party. lol. This posdcast was great overall. But man. “You leave guys with integrity no where to go”
that whole part came off as whining like a kid. Sounded a bit ridiculous from my old man perspective.
What happened to being an athlete and have your integrity while doing it?
If you can’t adapt, if Danny can’t adapt, if Tom, dick and harry can’t adapt, then be better.
I never even used the kabuki bar in training, never used a squat bar in training, signed up, went and did a plu meet on the tested side in December, with 5 weeks of prep, first time ever touching a kabuki bar, first time ever touching a squat bar. Still totaled over 2k on that day.
Needing some specialty bar to be “good” is ridiculous.
I’m 37 years old and only been powerlifting for right at 4 years. Train in my little shed of a gym.
If I can do it. I’m pretty sure anyone can lol.
A tiny record having to use a specialty bar to obtain it isn’t something to be too proud of id say lol. Just be stronger on other bars.
Still an awesome listen overall though. Look forward to the next.
News over Jawon is too funny lol. That dude blocked me because I laughed at something Derek said to him on a post lol.
Yeah not the biggest fan of the bar switch
@@nicemarco23 how could you be?
@@NOBSPLdoesn’t make sense brother it is a joke and i spent thousands of dollars for cbc to have access to these. Ridiculous
John Haack wont beat Colton in April as the ABS Clash of Titans meet is based on total not on DOTs, Haack vs Colton on the power bar and sleeves at the Reach Rumble in September in the US will be the real head to head between them imo, albeit that meet is on total as well so Colton has the advantage but its the closest we'll get as they'll both be in sleeves for it