Criminal Lawyer Reacts to the Tragic Death of Adam Johnson & Answers Whether it was Murder
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Criminal Lawyer Bruce Rivers Reacts to the Tragic Death of Adam Johnson & Answers Whether it was Murder
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I’ve played hockey for over 30 years. In fact, I played 2 games this last Friday and one today. I was also a martial artist for 20 years. This was not an accident. If you slow the video down, he misses the first guy, then cocks his leg in a side kick position. He is looking at Adam the whole time, so he knows what he is doing. When his sharp skate makes contact with Adams neck, he actually kicks his leg out, which hits Adam with such force, it stops him dead in his tracks. As a player myself, in the moment I can see he made a bad play and was about to get beat. In his mind, he wasn’t going to let Adam just skate past him so he stuck his leg out to kick him. Maybe didn’t intend to kill, but 100 percent intent to injure. Manslaughter minimum and this douche should never see ice in a league again. Alone, look at his record, he has an entire career of leading every league he’s played in penalty minutes and game ejections for trying to injure other players. There’s no room for crap like this dude in professional sports.
"Looking at Adam the whole time..." Yes. I watched a frame-by-frame analysis that pointed that out. And martial arts... Ronin MM-EH, who covers mixed martial arts, has a video analyzing the kick... HOCKEY PLAYER KILLED WITH A SIDEKICK! WAS IT INTENTIONAL?! It's worth a watch... talking about torque, push off.
Any other videos you would recommend about this from a perspective of someone more familiar with the sport? I don’t know anything about hockey but I would like to know more about this incident from someone who is.
Meanwhile, Adam Johnson's teammates and nearly the entire hockey community agree this was an accident. If you don't think it was an accident, you probably have no experience getting knocked off balance when skating at high speed.
If you still think it was intentional, ask yourself this question:
What relevant hockey experience do you possess that makes you think you know better than an entire team of professional players and coaches sitting ten feet away?
@@user-vm2tz6sb4g?? They literally said they’ve played hockey for 30 years… I get that people are passionately divided with this… but I feel like comments from people who skate are going to be more informed, since… well, they skate 🤷🏻♀️ This is really sad, no matter accident or not.
Yeah, and you can do martial arts on skates, in full gear, in pretty high speed, time it, shift your attention from one covered guy to his potential victim in less than half a second, and execute it with precision and perfection only Bruce Lee could (if he wasn't on skates, OF COURSE).
Now, you claim you played hockey for 30 years. Forget your martial arts now for a second.
You say the guy tracked him all this time.
I say you're full of crap. The guy was covering the other player, and when the puck carrier changed the direction right in the blue line, he saw the opportunity to make physical contact, maybe lay his shoulder into him because he felt he has time to do it. It is his job to track the puck carrier, you fool! Now, he makes unwilling foot or skate contact with his first covered player, goes up in the air, and according to you, Mr. Mixed martial arts on skates, he kicks his leg with the precise intention to cut his victim.
Now, you know perfectly well you would not be able to it even once in million tries, so don't give me this bullshit that you just made up.
You would have to be Jackie Chan. But even he wouldn't be able to do that because he can't skate! At least I think he can't.
So this guy, in your infinite wisdom, is both an excellent skater, excellent martial arts expert, and he combined both skills after secretive midnight practices to be able to do what we see on the tape.
Do you see how incredibly preposterous you sound?
You can tell this to people who can't skate because they have no idea what it takes to skate like this.
If you can show me a proof this guy is black belt martial artist and he practiced combining both skills somewhere at some rink, I will agree with you hundred percent. If not, go pound sand.
I grew up playing ice hockey. I'm sorry but there's no way this happens by accident. Not even a freak accident. Your leg doesn't just fly up like that. My opinion (that no one asked for) is that he threw a kick, playing dirty, and the "freak accident" is that Adam's body position happened to line up "neck to skate." Again, my opinion, having played the sport for years, is that the kick was absolutely intentional, though the outcome was not. Just look at Petgrave's history.
You can kick while skating?
@@rumblerumble2276They’re professional players. They can probably do what you can do on the ground on the ice.
I am a retired hockey professional of 20 years and played a total of 34 years. This does NOT look like an accident to me. You are ALWAYS subconsciously aware of where your stick AND skates are because of the high harm potential. The normal reaction would have been to make an effort to LOWER your leg as opposed to raising it. To me, it looks more intentional than not although i don't think he wanted to cause this kind of outcome.
R.I.P. Adam and condolences to the family
EDIT: Charged with manslaughter....Guess there are others who see it the same way as i do...
I never played professionally but I did play Junior hockey in Minnesota in the early 90's (no face masks). And I've never seen anything like this! As I've been reading through the posts...nearly every former high level player has agreed that it's very unlikely that this was an accident!
@@Master...deBater yes, if there is something that was ALWAYS emphasized while learning the game, it was the unwritten rules that were applied. Skates on the ice, stick below the waist and don't punch a grounded opponent. Of course there are situations where it's impossible, but this to me is clear as day. There was intent to try and interfere with Adam, but again, i don't think he wanted such a grave outcome. And still there has to be accountability
He only kicks after he plowed into another player that sent him flying slightly resulting in the kick if you watch it frame by frame
I agree with you it's normal to do it but I have seen many of these Euro players do this cause it's typically no contact where they come from. I think it's a training issue. Remember guys like Jeremy Roenick? Always with the leg out, and I've seen others that where lucky enough they don't get caught with someone they didn't see coming from behind. The kicker is focused on the guy he barely caught in the hit, his chest pushes off the player and he wheels on his only skate contacting the ice, it looked like his vision is blocked out when he spins. I don't think he saw Johnson I think he was being sloppy with his foot in a split second that caused a tragedy.
I played hockey, and was a Marine. This looks like a hockey play. If you play hockey, you know when you fall forward your legs kick out backwards. Or you're retarded
I worked for a NHL hockey team for 10 seasons, I grew up playing hockey as a child and played a bit in college. I’ve been to hundreds upon hundreds of professional NHL games, and hundreds of amateur games. I’ve also watched & listened countless games.
Never have I seen a skater kick so high up in any instance, let alone at a professional level. I can’t think of any reason a professional skater would kick so high up like this other than with the intent to harm.
I don’t know the individual who did this, so I can’t comment on his past actions as others have done. But from my experience I would say there is intent in his actions.
We will have to wait and see what comes of this and how the police over there handle this. Ultimately it doesn’t matter as a young man had his life tragically cut short.
I guarantee you've seen a leg kick that high dozens of times if you've been around hockey that long. Watch any big hit highlight reel and you'll see legs flying all over the place. Its just that the legs don't hit anyone 99% of the time, and even in the 1% of times they do hit someone, 99.9% of those times it hits them somewhere they're protected. This is just one of those 1/100,000 freak incidents where a stray ragdolled leg actually catches someone where they're vulnerable.
Cut short indeed
Exactly. I went ice skating every weekend from 7th grade through 11th. One of my brothers played hockey, lacrosse, and ice hockey until he got too chunky which was after he got married (I love you my little bro 🥰). Anyone who has ever been on ice skates knows how sharp the blades are and the harm they can cause. The law of physics contradicts any unintentional upwards back kick. Most believe he did not intend to cause this young man’s death, but he did intend to cause harm. I’ve heard stories about this player and none of them are positive.
Yes thank you!
@@bartulan Only when a player has been hit, like you said about big hit reels. This guy was not hit and his other leg remained firmly planted on the ice. It looked like a pick play by Johnson's teammate and Petgrave tried to stick his leg out to catch the puck carrier. I have seen a video where he did the same thing and and hit the other player in the chest area. I believe he stuck his leg out on purpose.
The death might not have been intentional, but the kick was.
Man with rock solid detective skills like that you should be fuckin batman, enlighten us, how can you tell it was intentional?
The British legal system is fucked, something thats blatantly an accident in a violent sport, in which people get injured all the time, he family of the deceased wants revenge and someone to blame, it's only normal but the legal system shouldn't indulge such nonsense.
I wonder if/when professional fighters are gonna start suing one another for facial trauma.
@@suicidebylifestyle9267Ummm… okay Einstein the laws of physics do not support it was an accidental kick. He had to knowingly lift his leg not only behind but upward. I don’t think he intended to cause his death, but he did intend to cause harm.
@@cricketpie everyone keeps saying "He didn't mean to kill him but he did kick him on purpose". That's bs. He DID MEAN to kill him that war the point. And he didn't give a shit cuz is a white guy and he hates whites.
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@@cricketpie I couldn't have said it better.
Videos have surfaced showing that this kicking is a regular move for him and he has a reputation of being a dirty player. It looked like a deliberate move to me.
I agree. He didn’t “happen” to shove his skate in his neck.. that was an intentional act.
I haven't seen the other videos you've mentioned but if that's true then it would certainly be evidence the family of the deceased could use in a claim against him. I thought it was some sort of failed momentum after the player next to him avoided contact. If it was some sort of intentional move that he had practiced in order to injure then it might be the kind of accident that could be considered manslaughter in Canada (might be the same terminology in the UK).
@@trudycolborne2371I’m sure you can look his stats up.
The video is utterly devastating. Can’t believe those ppl in the stadium witnessed this poor man’s last moments. May he rest in peace. I can’t imagine how scary this was for him
Apparently his fiancee, Ryan was there too. Manslaughter, and lifetime suspension and whatever the family chooses to do. Perhaps civil lawsuit. I have read and listened to many long time players and fans. He probably was not trying to end his life, but did have bad intent.
@@doglover7675how can you assume bad intent within a sport that literally has physical contact as apart of it?
The difference of a good play and murdering an opponent is literally inches and every player on that hockey ring understands this.
They are on ice, and players use any part of their body to make a play; this just sucks all around for everyone involved
Same thing with football, every sport
its tragic but the comments saying this guy should get charged manslaughter / murder is audacious.
@@devonwilliams2423 You wrote: The difference of a good play and murdering an opponent is literally inches and every player on that hockey ring understands this.
That is not rue at all, if it was the case you would have dead players every other game. Yes, it's a rough game but there are rules to keep players safe and when someone breaks them there are penalties and if the result of breaking the rule are severe the the penalty is aso severe. That's why they can suspend you 1 game or 5 games. In this case even if his intention was not to kill the action was reckless and he killed someone. You can be driving and texting and kill someone unintentionally and you will not say "well that's an inherent risk of driving. If you drive you can be killed anytime".
@@devonwilliams2423 well considering that petegrave is considered to be a dirty player who done this type of thing before and had the highest penalty minutes last year
@@devonwilliams2423you can assume intent by a players action, it’s that simple. You can look at lots of “bountygate” cases in college ball where players are intentionally hitting with the intent to injure. You can just tell when someone’s playing the right way and who’s skirting the rules by how they’re playing. Kicking someone in hockey is no accident generally. And regardless if intentional or not here, he killed someone and he’s gonna pay the consequences for it. His career is 100% over. I’m part of the camp where the kick is very intentional but he wasn’t trying to kill the guy🤷♀️ plus having a reputation as a dirty player says a lot about how certain players play.
You are 100% wrong Mr Rivers! I've played the game for 30+ years and that kind of play only happens when you purposely kick your foot up. The player in question is know for his dirty play and not just in this league either. They were also reportedly going back and forth with each other all game. The intent was not to kill, but when you've played the game your whole life, you know NOT to kick your skate up off the ice! For precisely the reason you stated, "because they sharpen their skates really sharp". That is very true. I also worked at Chesswood arena pro shop for about 10 years, so the skates are very sharp indeed. I think you need to re-examine the footage as I had to watch it more than one because I too thought it was a freak accident. But if you've never played the game you would never understand what you watched was no accident... agree or disagree may God bless anyone who reads this post 🙏🏻
Very insightful. I think Bruce is correct from a law standpoint despite you being correct about knowing not to raise his leg. You know it’s about what you have to prove and this is very easy for the dirty player’s lawyer to defend
@@noseyandneutral easy to prove, callin hocky experts, analysis , and etc. If he has a history of doing this, video shows it, then he is done.
@@TwiztidPain you’re speaking out of emotion,not law experience and that’s ok. That’ll obviously be done, but it’s still easy to defend regardless
I’m a lawyer, a (beer league) hockey player and, like every proper Canadian, have been a fan of the game since I was a child.
There is no doubt in my mind that there was intent here, and that obtaining a manslaughter conviction is just a matter of putting solid expert testimony before the court so that even a judge or juror who is not terribly familiar with hockey, like this Minnesota lawyer guy (surprisingly), would understand that this, what happened, is not hockey.
Hockey can be violent at times, yes, but this is way, way beyond the pale.
@@noseyandneutral sadly, you are probably right, even with the charges now drawn
As a person who ice skates and has been around figure skaters and freestylers, there is no way you would swing your leg that high on accident while standing. I don't buy it. I've seen people get shoved to push them away, but you dont do it with your skate because its dangerous.
Ya all the checks that you throw in figure fuckimg skating.
Yep, figure skated for 19 yrs, cousin played in NHL. This was a dirty dirty kick.
To me it looks like he got caught up on the other player, pulling his body to an odd direction. I’ve played hockey for about 12-13 years with 5-6 years at a AAA level and I’ve seen players skates come up like this a few times, thankfully never to a players neck but I’ve seen broken panes of glass from skates etc I don’t think this was on purpose in my opinion
There are multiple videos of him going back as far as 12 years doing the same exact thing. He's a murderer.
Yep looks like a high kick how the hell do you manage to do a high kick in hockey.This looks intentional.
The player that kicked is well known as being a dirty player. He’s had to sit out so many games and pay so many fines. There’s never a reason for hockey player’s leg to go up that high. His leg didn’t only go up that high but then he kicked. I’m not saying he meant to kill him but I do believe he meant to hurt him.
If true then the league bears responsibility for allowing a dirty player to play.
@@cruisinguy6024 Its not about "if true"... Its a fact...
Petgrave is currently the most penalized player in the EIHL..
I think similarly about not meaning to kill him, but being reckless and aggressive
@@patricknez7258That is still manslaughter... May not be Murder 1... But its still not good...
@TheMorrogoth are you high? Players skates don't come up?????
My grandfather played for the Montreal Canadiens, my two uncles, his sons, played hockey in the US. The control they had over their skating was phenomenal. This move was not an accident.
See Adams teammate had possession of the puck. The red shirt man tries to bump his teammate to cause a turnover for the team. He trips over the teammate bc he bumped too hard clearly and falls face first to the ground. Johnson couldnt possibly have reacted fast enough to avoid running into the guys shoe. Adam literally struck his shoe by the neck and collapsed. Can you even imagine being the other guy knowing somebody died and he thought it was his fault. Its comments like yours that push the agenda that hes a killer.
ye this crook lawyer knows nothing about sports at all, even semi professionals might have incredible touch for the game and real pros and elite pros just go on and on
If they were good enough to play for Les Habs in the club's hayday, they were good. Better than some scrub in an English league. So, yours is not a good comparision.
@@Bensway7 He's a lawyer. That's what lawyers do. A lawyer's job is to make the criminal look as innocent as possible.
My husband & I both grew up not only watching Hockey but playing it as well. My husband studied Karate for 10 years & I took the Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Women's Self Defense Course.
We've been keeping tabs on this since it happened & have to respectfully disagree with you on this one Bruce.
At no point can you even so much as high stick anyone without catching a penalty. And that's just a hockey stick higher than your elbow. Something that can very easily happen in a play.
At no point should your skate EVER be raised higher than your knee let alone your waist unless you have been checked so hard it sent you airborne. He deliberately deliberately raised his skate to throat level in a kick. A martial arts style kick.
True, he did trip. But he didn't trip until AFTER the kick when he tripped over the skate of the player he just kicked in the throat.
How is finding intent in this case any different than that fraction of a second it takes to establish intent when a driver decides to speed up at a yellow light?
That's where we are hung up at on this. He, for all intent & purposes "throat punched" him with his foot.
Karate and jiu jitsu have absolutely nothing to do with hockey, learn to keep to the point when explaining things. You’re welcome
Question: why aren’t
the Kevlar throat guards
a requirement in this already
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You're rude and arrogant.@@hcp8212
The inquest has been opened and adjourned pending further investigation. It wasnt just a little nick by the skate because it sliced through Adam's trachea too.
When the players formed a circle around Adam, they did so to give him privacy. 8000 people were in the audience including children.
It was absolutely intentional. Your leg doesn't fly up to neck height when off balance, especially at the professional level. They're not toddlers learning to ice skate for the first time, no one goes THIS off balance. Skates are heavy, you have to intentionally lift your leg to do that.
Freak accidents are impossible to happen?
@@Dana__black they happen all the time, this looks intentional
@@fdre3wsdWatch it back, just before it happens, he clips skates with an opposing player going the other way, that causes his leg to fly up in balance. I didn't see it till just now.
i'll explain it to you if you care
I left a thumbs down on your comment. Just so you know. Because this happens in hockey every year. All over the world. Physics and gravity actually exist in hockey like everywhere else.
That can't be an accident. You don't fall like that if you are off balance, it defies the laws of physics. He also didn't go up to see if he was okay, that was the other player.
You do if you are balancing on skates and moving at speed. The player in white collides with the player in red knocking him sideways and as he falls sideways his foot collides with the second player in red (Johnson). Tragic but freak accident. I doubt the player in red even saw Johnson until it was too late. Johnson also seemed to be in a crouching position at the time of the collision.
@@KebabMusicLtd Here's the problem with that; If you're going sideways and your trailing foot is braking, you don't fall backwards you fall towards the direction of travel.
The player was obviously going for a huge shoulder check by swinging his body out, but he miscalculated and lost his balance.
Look at how far his hockey stick is from the center of his body, he extended it out as far as he could. Why would he do that? So he can maintain balance after shoulder checking someone.
In conclusion, he went for a full speed shoulder check and I think the guy he was aiming for, the guy who he killed, was just a bit further than he anticipated, so he turned his body too much and slipped, didn't even try to keep his skates down.
Amazing point on the player not keen to see his doing. He is a murderer Scott-free
He’s a professional skater. I could understand if it was Bruce on the ice, off balanced. He’s a professional skater, 100% intent. However, I don’t think he was intending to kill him, but he tried to hurt him 100%
I hope the poor man rests in peace. Bleeding out like that is a terrible way to die.
Facts. Especially bleeding out from your carotid arteries which in this case happened. There’s literally no saving a man unless he’s already on the OR table with extra blood supply and experienced surgeons and even then, you will still most likely die.
Blacks dont care they love to kill
And his poor parents too… horrifying.
:(
That's 5 gallons of blood came out in less than 5 min. 😬. Jesus Christ what a tragedy smh
As someone who watches a ton of hockey, I think this was intent to injure for sure, and therefor may qualify as manslaughter. He very purposely kicked him but was likely aiming for the shins and unfortunately his legs went up further than he aimed
I agree, it looks like he was intending to cause some trouble but he was thrown off balance and his foot went way higher than he expected. I don't know much about hockey but I think these sorta small "cheats" or "fouls" are pretty common and used as a way to instigate a fight (which the audience loves). Not really malicious, and I don't think he meant to cause any real harm. I hope everyone in the situation finds peace, including the hockey player who caused the accident.
@@LaffeeTaffeeGG ya, and the player who did it has kicked players in the past. Last season in this league he got the most penalties of anyone, and by a lot. He's known to be a dirty player and was very clearly trying to get a penalty here to stop Adam from getting a break-away.
2nd degree
It looks to me like the kicker was knocked off balance himself and his leg went up and hit his neck. That's what I see.
@@lucysnowe31If you are knocked off balanced your leg does not go above your head like this guys did. He had to purposely use his muscles to get his leg that high. I do not think he intended to kill this young man but he did intend for that kick to happen.
I've been playing hockey since I was a kid, and I've never seen another player throw a martial arts kick. That was intentional. If he lost his footing, he would have reacted differently. Horrifying.
That's exactly what it looked like too!!
when he tried to make that hit the other player just kept skating. which initially made all his weight go foward missing the hit. then his stick got caught and pulled him to the side which caused the leg to come up, we dont have sideways bending knees. the one who died thought they were about to make contact so decided to cut around them for a breakaway and go score instead of stopping or dump and chase. mistakes were made by all 3, mostly the one who avoided the hits fault but its just one of those 1 in a million scenarios. if you really played hockey you should know the kicking rule
or it because when he missed the hit he was still trying to push him as hes skating away
@80glk5 how do you explain the fact that he kicked him twice?
You can't kick someone twice by accident.
@@dudebro3250 How did he kick him twice? It doesn't look like he does.
Bruce, this was in the UK. The Coroner there is a special Magistrate who holds an investigative hearing which determines the identity of the deceased person, how they died, the place, date and medical cause of the death. The American role of Coroner is what is called a Medical Examiner in most Commonwealth Countries.
He said it was in the UK in the video… but that is very interesting!
In the USA, the Coroner is an elected position whereas they document the details of the deceased, but they do not necessarily have a medical license. A medical practitioner must have a license and they are in charge of the autopsy. The practitioner can also be an elected Coroner. The Coroner cannot be a practitioner without the proper license.
@@YTInnovativeSolution it may be that different States use different terminology but I have heard in so many documentaries the term Coroner used for Medical examiner. The Coroner here is not elected but an appointed Magistrate and their duty is an investigative inquiry with witnesses under oath to ascertain the facts surrounding the death. Their investigation is separate to police and the trial of the accused. It is often an older case before the Coroner where the manner of death [homicide, suicide, accidental or natural] has not been able to be determined.
@@bigs1546 Nope, a coroner here is not a magistrate, he is a Coroner, a judicial office holder, a type of specialist judge, they have to be well versed in law, their role is to investigate if: The death was violent or unnatural; or The cause of death is unknown; or
The deceased died while in state detention, they also oversee other enquiries.
To train as a coroner, you usually have to have worked as a lawyer or barrister for 5 years.
They don't perform autopsies that's the job of the pathologist in the UK under the direction of the coroner.
Hey Bruce! Thank you for providing your insight. I disagree that this was an accident. I don't believe Petgrave was intentionally trying to kill Johnson, but I do believe he was being reckless during the play and intentionally tried to injure another player. Unfortunately, I don't think he will face any criminal charges but at the very minimum I hope he is never able to play professional hockey again. Appreciate you and your content genius :)
He won't face any charges because he's black. If it was a white guy, he'd be put into prison for "racism".
I feel I most closely agree w you. Idt he planned on killing him, but I think he was being chippy and reckless
Meanwhile, Adam Johnson's teammates and nearly the entire hockey community agree this was an accident. If you don't think it was an accident, you probably have no experience getting knocked off balance when skating at high speed.
If you still think it was intentional, ask yourself this question:
What relevant hockey experience do you possess that makes you think you know better than an entire team of professional players and coaches sitting ten feet away?
It's going to come down to whether he can prove he was off-balance. Not sure how it works in the US but, here in the UK, if someone dies as a result of your reckless behaviour (even if you had no intention of harming them in any way), you can find yourself on a manslaughter charge.
It'll depend on whether the CPS decide that prosecuting is in the public interest or not, but the fact that he will have recently sharpened those blades (and was experienced enough to know the damage they could do) will not help him. Expert testimony that he was trying to regain his balance, however, will make or break whether he's charged - and, if he is, whether he gets convicted or not.
If you ever played hockey, you would know that most impossible falls and ackward situations happen when player loses his balance for any reason (and many there are!). He never went after him, he was actually covering other player and when he tried to change his coverage, he lost his footing when he made a contact with his first covered player (or he might have even skate over some debree)
My son effectively killed me with his one timer at practice, they had to jump my heart few times before it restarted.
Out of thousands of other attempts, he would not be able to do it no matter what, yet it was the perfect storm of everything that was happening, along with essentially what would be a perfect one timer that everyone would be proud of in any other situation. Only I was right there in it's trajectory and it first blinded me upon contact with my eye socket; then terrible pain and total blindness, falling into deep unconsciousness and, few minutes later my heart stopped.
It was a totally freak accident, and to this day, we don't talk about it anymore because my son still sees the horror of the situation as he saw it happen and he still feels some kind of guilt each time we talked about it, even as he was just sixteen years old at that time. Was it somebody's fault? If we dig deeper, lack of paying attention of all parties involved, me included (there were four of us there doing this).
In other words, really bad stuff can and eventually will happen because of how dangerous this game is in so many aspects.
I looked at the tape several times and no matter how horrible this tragic situation looks, nobody on the skates is capable of doing martial kick like this. It's simply impossible. If you would ask the poor guy to do it again, he would NEVER be able to even come close if he tried million times.
It's killing me that a fellow player lost his life in this horrible way, and I know that the player who cut his throat with his blade will never be in peace with himself until the moment he dies. He will forever be haunted by it, he'll forever feel emptiness in his soul because he will feel that pain knowing it was his skate that killed another fellow hockey player.
Those skate blades are so sharp, they are worse then knife because you have essentially two knives separated by 7/16, 1/2 or 9/16 diameter hollow, so when they cut into any part of the body, they don't make clean cut - they shred everything wide open.
Many of you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, you're just overcome by emotion.
Just like the lawyer said, hockey is very dangerous game in so many ways that I am simply amazed only relatively few very serious injuries or, sadly, like in this case, deaths, occur.
It's just horrible tragedy that this happened. Hockey players are one of the toughest, yet one of the most humble athletes in all sports, and even as some retaliations do occur in the sport, this case most certainly was not it.
If you feel you need to go after someone, go after our politicians like Lindsey Graham who are blood thirsty, despicable creatures that hide behind the officiality of their job and who use their power to send other people to die needlessly.
But you won't do that. You'd rather accuse the poor man who's soul will forever be tortured, of most incredible murder that was in fact nothing else but totally freak accident.
If the kick was intentional, I say that he should be kicked out of the game for life. If not charged with some lesser form of homicide.
This was so tragic, but even more tragically, it looked deliberate.
That was NOT AN ACCIDENT! First of all, he had to shift his weight in order to bring his left leg up in order to kick; so it’s obvious that his intent was to kick him. Second: you can see him follow up the initial foot-to-neck contact with a follow up kick. 💯 intentional and negligent!
1:50 If you slow, the video speeds down to half speed. You can clearly see that it was intentional. I mean, it's not even close. The guy threw his leg up and leaned forward. Maybe he didn't mean to slice the guys throat. But he intentionally put his leg in the air
Respectfully disagree here. Have watched a lot of hockey and have never seen someones leg come up to hit someone like that.... The kick itself was absolutely intentional. Any normal player would be attempting to hit him with his hip or shoulder. If he escapes criminal charges he should at the very least never play hockey again.
THIS, I have been to many games and yes their are fights but this is just obvious he set out to kick him, NOT kill him but hurt him
I’m not even a hockey fan but that is NO ACCIDENT!!! And he didn’t rush over right afterwards. If that’s my love one, dude will need to watch his back forever. There will be some form of repeated street justice.
"It does look like a martial arts kick"
That's because it was. Plain and simple. The motion that he does as he skates in was a shuffle sidekick. If you were to perform this technique standing, you would bring your rear foot into and next to your front foot, then chamber with your front leg and perform the kick, planting your rear leg for stability. That's basically what happened here, except on skates. The perpetrator even slowed down and adjusted his moment so that his spacing would be correct for the kick - otherwise, he would have gotten jammed.
Did he mean to kick him in the neck? Probably not. But the kick itself was 100 % intentional, so I think that this should be a reckless homicide or manslaughter charge.Nevertheless I also think that if this were to go to a jury, the jury would likely be too uneducated on either hockey, martial arts, or both.
Thankfully this legal process is happening in the UK! After the findings of an inquest, there may be multiple magistrates, Crown Prosecution Services will present the case and the jury will be more strictly bound to conduct rules.
Post-verdict, jurors are prohibited from revealing any detail of their deliberations, unlike the U.S.
I think this allows UK jurors to do their job, free from post-conviction scrutiny.
@@GaiaCarney thankfully the UK, what a joke!!! Even if he's found guilty, he'll get a laughable sentence like 5-8 years and gets to live his merry life again.
Initially I thought that too, but watched over a couple times. Kinda looked like he went for a hip check or judo hip/toss the blocker out of the way to get to the puck. blocker last minute got around the hip check, which could’ve caused him to lose balance to Bruce’s point, and the momentum from the hip check and trying to stop to turn back to the dude with the puck caused his leg to flail.
To your point it looked like the kick you described, i just didn’t see a clear chamber, and to throw your leg up flush like that straight out does look like a freak accident where he lost balance especially if he was an aggressive player and had to hard stop
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Whytf would your leg go up to the height of someone else's neck in hockey? Brawls and fighting with fists is not a skate with sharp blades on them! Omgosh, so tragic, my condolences to his family, friends, teammates... 🙏 Grisly viewing, yikes!
I've played hockey for many years when I lived in Isanti and Minneapolis... And there is NO way this was an accident... His forward momentum would have pushed him BACK... Not his feet backward in a reverse kick...
Think about this. When you bump into someone - Do you fall forward? No... You fall BACK... Your feet continue forward...
Exactly 💯
Yeah, but usually when you bump into someone you’re not on ice and skating forward at 10-15mph and trying to shoulder check a guy. Jesus Christ you all are airheads.
You’re absolutely right. Physics will play a role in this investigation, without a doubt.
It looks like his feet went up to the left, not behind him 🧐
If you're on skates and someone hits your legs from the front your legs will/can fly out backwards but it would take alot of force in the hit for the legs to fly that high up and it doesn't account for the kick. This was not intention to kill but definately intent to injure.
As a normal person with two eyes and a single working brain cell that doesn’t play hockey or skate or watch a ton of hockey, I can see this was an intentional kick. It’s probable he didn’t mean to kill him but meant to kick him for sure. Anybody being honest with themselves and has a working brain cell can see that.
So he slashed his throat with his skate but didn't mean to kill him.
Slashing someone's throat with an ice skate is just like hitting someone with a pillow right?
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How about using those 2 eyes slow down the video to 0.25, zoom all the way in around the 3 min mark. You will see his skate clips the other players skate and threw him off balance. If that wouldn't have happened his skate wouldn't have flew up so high when he fell. Sad tragedy but this wasn't intentional like ppl are making it to be.
Meanwhile, Adam Johnson's teammates and nearly the entire hockey community agree this was an accident. If you don't think it was an accident, you probably have no experience getting knocked off balance when skating at high speed.
If you still think it was intentional, ask yourself this question:
What relevant hockey experience do you possess that makes you think you know better than an entire team of professional players and coaches sitting ten feet away?
@@user-vm2tz6sb4g everyone is taking the emotional route instead of actually examining the video. It was a accident you can clearly see it.
That absolutely looks intentional…..I have no doubt he didn’t mean to kill him but I can’t see how that move and kick was anything but intentional. To add to that the player apparently has a known hiss of playing dirty but regardless I think the footage speaks for itself and demands manslaughter charges.
I remember this happening before, kind of: Clint Malarchuk. He survived, but he apparently dealt with PTSD for years. I feel so awful that this happened.
Richard Zednik also skated into his team mates skate that came up high. If he had not popped right up and barely made it to the bench he would he dead. Still wasnt karate kicked. By a dirty player with a history of being dirty.
Yep. That athletic trainer I believe was a medic in the military, and he rushed over so fast and applied pressure that it very likely saved his life.
@@Future-zx9ts i made the mistake of watching the slow mo of the zednik one.... Ive never seen that much blood come from a wound all at once and dont ever want to again. Like his neck vomited a gallon of blood immediately. If memory serves they canceled the rest of that game as well......
@@myklaaron7879 yes. The videos are honestly horrific. People should not watch either of them if they are at all queasy or affected by traumatic injuries. Without such immediate assistance, either player very easily might not have survived.
@@Future-zx9ts he did more then that he stuck two fingers into his neck and pinched off the artery, even with pressure you will still die with that with a artery in your neck
Thank you for covering this. This broke my heart. I wanted to throw up when I saw that intentionally flagrant kick. Did he mean to kill him? I don’t think so. Was he being reckless? I certainly think so. It was dirty. The only law I can speak on here is physics and there’s no justification for his leg to be that high other than intent.
100% agree
Very well said. I agree 💯. I played hockey from peewee thru college and there's no reason for your leg to go up that high unless you do it on purpose I don't care which way you are falling or whatever.
2nd murder.
@@briansweldinglol sounds like an American League or something. When you check people and you're giving it everything you have this might happen. I can tell you never played a single day in your life or u played in a league with no checking.
Yes! Physics would not allow your leg to go that high unless effort went into it. I do not think he meant to kill him and probably shouldn't be charged criminally but in civil law he should be held accountable.
I know you’re a defence lawyer, but in this case, there is very little of not no defence possible. It was a kick, intended to stop the player. Skates are supposed to stay on the ice. In this case it is super clear keeping his skates on the ice was not on his mind.
The problem Mr Attorneys argument has is that he kicked him not once but twice.
Mr Attorney has himself been negligent because he hasn't watched the footage in slow motion. In slow motion you can see 2 kicks.
It makes it intentional 100%.
watch at 4:00 he only kicks him once@@dudebro3250
actually your right i watched a different vid he was totally aiming for the face he does like a 1 2 kick" boom boom" right at his face @@dudebro3250
Meanwhile, Adam Johnson's teammates and nearly the entire hockey community agree this was an accident. If you don't think it was an accident, you probably have no experience getting knocked off balance when skating at high speed.
If you still think it was intentional, ask yourself this question:
What relevant hockey experience do you possess that makes you think you know better than an entire team of professional players and coaches sitting ten feet away?
eyes/brain/common sense.@@user-vm2tz6sb4g
Every hockey player I've seen analyze this clip says the kick was intentional although it was probably an accident that it landed on the neck. So he meant to kick him, but not to kill him. I'm not a hockey player, so I defer to their expertise.
If he tried to kick him then he tried to kill him. It's like shooting someone, you can do it without the intent to kill but if it does kill them it's still murder. Skates are weapons and everyone in a hockey game knows that. It's why kicking is against the rules.
@@abebuckingham8198 I agree.
@@abebuckingham8198it’s not murder but manslaughter. Murder is intentional. This was not intentional. It was an aggressive act that led to death. That’s manslaughter.
The guy that kicked Adam in the neck was the leagues penalty leader for the 2022-2023 season.
ya and has a history of kicking across various leagues
Well I’m sure the court will definitely take that into consideration
He raised his leg intentionally. He should be charged. This was not an accident.You’re wrong…
It was not a tragic accident. This guy has a history of having high penalties and it was only a matter of time before someone got horrifically injured.
They did not accidentally collide. The defensive player was going after the offensive player who had the puck. The way the red player's legs spread apart as he went down did not look like a natural fall. The reason it looked like a kick is because it was a kick. I believe the red player's history of being a dirty player should be considered when determining if this is an actionable incident.
I also do not believe that the fact that the red player may have come back over to the injured player indicates anything except that he did not expect his dirty play to produce that much blood. The fact that he was concerned about there being a more serious injury than he intended to inflict doesn't make him any less culpable for the fatal injury he caused.
Your analysis of the legal ramifications may be valid even though this is not an issue under US law. But I think your analysis of the actual physical incident is totally flawed.
No way that was not intentional. Its absurd!
He kicked in the air for no reason other than to strike, its obvious.
I’ve grown up watching my little guy friends grow up to play some tough high school hockey! We are right outside a military academy so I’ve watched INCREDIBLE college hockey my whole life! The worse injury you’d think you’d see is is a severed finger, or something involving the stick. They’re NOT PLAYING SOCCER!! What was the kick?! I’ve never seen that move on the ice before, EVER! He intended to injure someone on the opposing team, AND they say he’s a dirty player! Shame on him; he should be fined, banned & punished!
Fined? If that's intentional, he should be sentenced to life in prison.
@@muhammadnursyahmi9440Totally with you!!!!!
@@muhammadnursyahmi9440 the UK is a joke!!! Even if he's found guilty, he'll get a laughable sentence like 5-8 years and gets to live his merry life again.
Thing is, whatever skating sport you participate in, you're fully aware of how dangerous your blades are.
When you fall, especially around others, you instinctively try to damage control. Feet low, away from others.
There's no world in which you'd sooner use a blade to avoid a collision than to actually just brace and take it.
He might not have intended to kill, but he did certainly intend to hurt.
@@gypsykingize yeah, and that's what makes all of it that much more sad.
Imagine you've got these psychopaths on the ice with you. On the teams which you support, lifting millions.
Wouldn't have been accepted here in Sweden. I sure hope you won't over there.
Bruce you also say he comes to check on him. If you keep your eye on the player who actually hit him youll notice he skates away and never tries to help him.. thats honestly evidence enough
Hockey Mom & wife here: 💯 disagree with you. That is NOT that he was off balance, his skates would NOT go that high. It was a dirty intent to injure. He is a disgrace to the sport of hockey. That was NOT a hockey play.
I agree. There’s absolutely NO REASON why anyone would kick at someone’s head!
yup
I stand with you! Agree. ❤
You clearly never played hockey. The players in the NHL are very skilled. When they get knocked around they don't flop around like this. Less skilled players however do.
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Lol well we got a hockey mom. I guess case is closed
He killed someone and should be punished and not be a hockey player anymore.
It was OBVIOUSLY on purpose.
Bruce Rivers you are very wrong on this video. He was the most penalized player on the other side of the pond. He tried to hurt him, but he didn't mean to kill him.
How do you know he didn’t mean to kill him? Maybe he did because he thought he would get away with it as a hockey “accident”
@@elettramia6380 Watch Bruce Rivers new video on this subject. The police are charging him with manslaughter rather than murder. When you are charged with murder, it's because the death was intentional. Manslaughter is different. Nice attempt on your reply.
My jaw dropped when I saw how much blood came from him in such a short moment.
It is an incredible amount of blood that comes from an artery and very scary to see... a person can bleed out in as little as 15-30 seconds from a severed carotid in the neck and generally 2-5 mins from a severed femoral in the upper legs, depending on severity..
He went for him, you can see him clearly lifting up his leg. He also never went to Adam to make sure he was ok.
Come on Bruce! I agree with you on most things, but viewing this in super slow-mo, it's apparent that Matt starts lifting his leg in the direction of Johnson before he starts losing balance. There is another video of Matt doing the very same thing. I believe this was intentional. Not the death, but the kick. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it shakes outl. DDS
Ronin MM-EH, who covers mixed martial arts, has a video analyzing the kick... HOCKEY PLAYER KILLED WITH A SIDEKICK! WAS IT INTENTIONAL?! It's worth a watch... talking about torque, push off.
Bruce doesn't ice skate so he has no concept of what it takes
He DID NOT LOSE HIS BALANCE this was intentional
I dont think Petgrave's goal was to kill him, but he was definitely trying to make contact. he's a notoriously dirty player and it cost a man his life.
It was definitely intentional and the victims family needs justice!
You talk about how different acts of sports violence could be charged as assault, and such things have happened. In 2004, Todd Bertuzzi skated up behind Steve Moore and sucker punched him, knocking him out cold.. Bertuzzi was charged with assault in Canada and ended up pleading guilty to assault. Unfortunately, because he was a famous professional athlete, Bertuzzi received only 80 hours of community service as "punishment" and would play many more years in the NHL. Meanwhile, Steve Moore was injured so severely that he never played again.
This happened because the accused had money. If a poor man did the exact same in the exact same situation he would definitely serve time. Money talks!
This comment right here😢 Hits home as a Canucks fan. Please read this comment Bruce
@@kristinebrown414100%. I can’t imagine sucker punching someone over a game & severely injuring them…..then getting community service??? That would be ridiculous.
I was a fan of the Red Wings as a kid, and right when our team started doing well for the first time since the 1950's, they went up against the brand new Colorado Avalanche in the conference finals, and they had dirty goon by the name of Claude Lemieux who checked our center, Kris Draper from behind so hard and fast, while he was a few feet away from the boards, and it sent him face first into ledge where the boards meets the glass--and at the time we weren't sure if he was alive, or would ever play again, because it broke his jaw, cheek, orbital bone--basically half of the guy's skull, which required his jaw to be wired shut, and have extensive reconstructive surgery. The sack of shit had zero remorse for doing that because their team went on to win the Stanley Cup in their first season, meanwhile the Red Wings hadn't won in 45 years by that point. The following year when we went up against them again, we ultimately went on to beat them and and win the cup--but when things got a little heated later on in the series that year, the brawl that broke out was like watching a scene from Slap Shot, because everyone on the ice broke out fighting and even the goalies threw down at center ice. I don't know if that brawl broke any records but it was the most exciting game and post-season I ever watched, because it resulted in a hard fought win--but there are so many other guys who've taken hits like that who were never the same afterwards, and the guys responsible often don't face worse than getting booted from the game.
I watched the clip of this guy several times before reading comments from folks who said this guy has kicked people before on purpose, and I wasn't sure why the hell this guy lifted his foot up that damn high off the ice like he did, but it didn't really look like he was fully in control of his body at that moment, and was balance. Re-watching it after hearing about the guy's history of dipshit behavior, it does look more intentional, but again I saw someone who wasn't fully in control of their body, and to me it appeared to me that he probably tried to trip the guy or knock his stick out of his hands with a lower kick--but then he lost his balance mid-kick, and lifted his leg higher than he probably intended, and the guy who died never saw it coming and flew right into his skate.
I would say this is more than likely going to result in him getting booted from the league, and likely end his career because nobody would want to touch him after that, and like some folks are saying he's probably going to suffer from PTSD and have this royally fuck up the rest of his life--so we can all be thankful for that, but legally I would imagine his chances of getting more than manslaughter are slim. The guy was engaged in some seriously gross negligence, when he blatantly disregarded the safety of the young man who died as a result of his actions--but to get him on any sort of murder charge, they have to prove intent, and unless he was saying "I'm gonna murder that guy" right before he did it, and had a history with the victim where he would have some sort of motive to go after him in particular, I don't think you're going to be able to prove he had the mens rea necessary to convict him for murder, even second degree. Maybe there's a different camera angle we haven't seen of it yet that captures it better, but I think it's still going to be a tough case to prove manslaughter. The family might be able to sue the shit out of the guy, his team and the league for wrongful death, because they absolutely make neck guards that protect against shit like that and they could've made it mandatory PPE for players. I remember wearing them back when I played Pee-Wee hockey right around that time the Wings started getting decent, and when I switched to goalie I wore two of them, because there was one to protect my skin from skates that I wore even when I was a defencemen and then I had another clear clear poly shield that hung down from my helmet to stop a puck or stick from crushing my wind-pipe. I know that the pros like to get out there and play without shit to protect them because they think it's cool or whatever, and it was rare to see guys start wearing even the clear half-visors, which was barely more protection than the helmet alone, and a couple of guys on the Wings only started wearing them after Draper got his face wrecked, because it probably would've saved his face. The players will bitch and moan about how it's so much more restrictive to their movement, but I'm going to just point out that all of these guys are way the fuck younger than me, and youth sports leagues were requiring shit like that back when I was a kid, so the fact that they're half my age means that they grew up playing with even more PPE, that was probably even safer and less clunky than the shit I had available, and for them to forego that stuff because it's not as comfortable or it feels better not to wear one, then they were deciding to take a risk. It ain't like it's leather or chain-mail armor, the shit I had was ripstop nylon and a little thin bit of foam. It wasn't going to stop much, but the edge of a skate wasn't going to slice through it and my skin at the same time. They could probably get kevlar cheap enough now that it'd be even thinner and better at stopping stuff from slicing through, and the one I had was no less comfortable than a turtleneck.
Marty McSorely too
These players know they are wearing deadly weapons. There was no reason why that player had to kick his leg up. It was intentional. Everything in hockey is.
I don't think it was intention to kill, but almost 100% intent to injure. The kick was definitely on purpose, I just doubt he aimed that high up. Still should be charged (though I doubt he actually will be)
@@NathanLipetz I've been right behind the bench while the players decided to come kick some spectator a$$. No bueno. I have seen someone die on the ice and off the ice. This was more than intentional and why Americans will never make hockey more of a sport than it is today in the USA.
I’ve played hockey my whole life. I’ve seen just about everything. Parents fighting, bench clearing brawls, players punching the crap outta refs and all kinds of other crazy 💩.
There’s unwritten rules between players and one of them is to never intentionally cut someone with their skates.
You just don’t do it. We all grow up knowing that and trusting that no matter what, you don’t cross that line. Anyone that says otherwise has never played a day in their life.
That being said, I also grew up doing various martial arts and can assure you that was 100000% on purpose.
He was NOT off balance. That WAS calculated and on purpose!
I’ve been watching hockey for 2 decades and also played. I’ve never seen a play like this in my life. There’s no reason why his leg should be that high. I believe he indented to injury him.
I’ve never seen a hit like that. Why his leg came up like that makes no sense. You aren’t even supposed to leave your feet
It wasn't even a hit. He didn't hit him, he literally just raised his leg. Clearly intent to injure, doubt he meant to kick the neck though. Still manslaughter
I know nothing about hockey, but that looked like a deliberate kick to me. I doubt he was trying to kill him, but he definitely meant to kick him.
I like and agree with a lot of your content. However, I am a hockey fan. I have watched a lot of hockey games for the last 30 years, and this is in no way an accident. Petgrave intentionally tried to hurt Adam Johnson. He was going to stop his forward motion no matter what. Petgrave may not have intended to kill Johnson, but he didn’t care if he ended his career.
If you are a hockey fan and think this was intentional, you should stop smoking crack.
Hockey fan.. lawyers loo...see the diff
100 percent negligent homicide.. no reason for his leg to be that high.. not a question of if or not.. theres a reason youve never seen this happen before..
That was intentional his forward momentum would have pushed his legs backwards not to his side.
Bingo
The player was being way too risky by raising his foot with a sharp instrument towards the other player. He didn’t have to do that. The player that hit Adam would have been charged with a foul in any other sport. He showed disregard toward whether he hurt the other player or not. I’m going to have to disagree with Bruce on this one.
@@johnl5350 Not similar to "spearing" at all. That's a leg whip and it's illegal in any sport I know of.
IMO, his goal was to hurt his opponents (like he’s done many times before), but I don’t think he realized someone’s neck was going to meet his skates. Doing a karate kick with blades on your feet is the equivalent of waving a loaded gun in front of someone. You have a deadly weapon and you’re putting others at risk by acting dumb.
My opinion obviously doesn’t matter & they need actual evidence to bring up any charges. At the very least, I don’t think he should be playing any games until the investigation is complete. Poor guy was so young & had no idea that was going to be his last day. 🥺
This was without a doubt it was intentional give me a break. I feel sorry for him and his family.
I think he intended to do an illegal move that went wildly downhill. The player that hit Adam is known for being an extremely hard hitter. Hed take the punishment and move on to do it again. He intended to body slam Adam and it went horribly wrong. I doubt he'll hit so hard anymore.
I hope he’s never allowed to play after this!
It was definitely intentional but I'm sure he didnt intend to kill him
Yes he did.
He waited for the other penguin to leave him space open to make an aggressive attack against the penguin that died. He (attacker) had his left foot starting to come up and then he hit his hockey stick (which was only held in one hand, which I believe matters) against the ground as a final liftoff at which point he threw all his force into his legs and let both feet off the ground and in front of his hips. That dudes a psychopath
I used to skate a lot and played a good amount of hockey growing up
Why are we calling them Penguins? This is not the NHL
@@NathanLipetzHe played for the team The Pittsburgh Penguins.
@@michaelgoebel9370he did for about 15 games a while ago - this was with the Nottingham Panthers in the UK.
I rewatch this pixel by pixel many times and that man had to use his muscles to lift his leg like that.That is not a natural stance in or out of hockey. There is no way that he didn't intend his leg to be higher than the rest of his body. I do not think he meant to kill his opponent but let there be no doubt that he didn't use a traditional hockey move. I would love to hear if these two have history or if the killer is envious of the victim. If this went to trial I would not want to be a juror that's for sure. But in civil court, he should pay.
Pixel by pixel?
NO hockey player's feet would go that high unless they were sent for a flip, off balance or not. I dont think he intended to kill him, but he absolutely acted with reckless disregard.
'Oh he lost balance.' I think Bruce showing a blindspot here.
These are professionals. PROS. They've been skating in this sport for how long.
What do we see here that would indicate there was something to actually take him 'off balance'? More than a professional showing just how well he can maneuver from one position to another to take out another player.
From what I've heard about this sport from a fan is that hurting other players is not quite off the table. And this guy had a history of it.
Did he intend to kill him? Most likely not. But he just as likely probably wanted to take him down, with him getting kicked out of the game being a possible bonus.
He headed over to check on him either to just cover for himself and/or because he realized he EFFED UP big time.
In my opinion that wasn't asked for...it is an intentional kick. I don't believe the player acted in murderous intent. Just that the kick was very intentional. I am a hockey fan, I go to games weekly. Going off of watching and learning mannerisms from players. Again, just my opinion.
Culpable negligence. This is manslaughter
You might be the expert lawyer but you’re completely wrong here…
Agree. And seems like most of the comments here agree too (especially those who watch or have played hockey)
There is reason this never happens in the sport , because its a intentional act to raise one leg that high , he put force into the leg to keep it high , it was murder 100%
Content genius wit another banger!!
I heard the guy who threw the kick was fined multiple times for being a dirty player.
ya, most penalty minutes last season in that league too, and by quite a bit. Also there are past videos from other leagues that show him trying to kick players as well
I don’t think that he tried to kill him but was definitely no accident.
Thanks for covering this tragic event.
May Adam rest in Peace and Love forever!❤🏒🙏🏻
Very good review.
The sad part of all this, is they do have safety guards for the neck. Not being an ass. RIP Adam.
Thank you for looking at this. My brother played hockey in the junior leagues in Canada in the 70s. It was a lot more violent then, often the fighting carried on into the parking lot. Yes, he lost his front teeth.
Not enough people mention that when fighting somebody's teeth are gonna get messed up
In my 20s, I had a date with a professional hockey player 🏒…yep, he’d lost front teeth due to the sport. He wasn’t the brightest 💡either, so he was like a walking cliche to me that night. Polite guy, but we weren’t a good match. 😆
You should ask your brother what he thinks of this incident. I played Juniors in Minnesota in the early 90's. Also an incredibly violent era...there was at least one fight every game, and nobody had real front teeth! I've seen a lot of blood on the ice...but I've never seen anything like this. I think it was clearly an intentional kick!
Wow this was gut wrenching to watch …definitely was intentional 😢
Thanks!
Was really wondering if you would cover this. Thanks for your take on this, Bruce!
Why are you thanking him for a bad take?
@@thomaspayne6866 he’s giving us the take of a board-certified criminal defense lawyer. Varying perspectives on issues are always appreciated.
@@jadebinkshawIf that lawyer hasn't played or doesn't know that much about hockey, he would ask experts first. Look at all the comments here. Almost everybody who is into hockey and has played, including me, agrees this wasn't an accident. I love this channel, but they got it totally wrong this time.
@@KonaOceanGirl right or wrong, I still appreciate him covering it and opening the door to discussion.
His take is awfully misguided. I luv Bruce, too, but he struck out on this one!
Keep up the great content! I’m a fan and look forward to your notifications popping up!
I live in Nottingham and this was so shocking to hear about. Condolences to Adams family and friends.
This is 100% intentional. He gathers momentum, swings over, aims and throws the kick. This is not manslaugther. This is murder. He deserves everything he has coming. RIP and condolences to the family of this young athlete who's life was cut short.
He knew he had lethal blades on his feet so there is no excuse, this is cold blooded murder.
It might be manslaughter but I don’t think it would rise to murder. Mostly because I don’t think even a professional could do that if they tried; the timing, angle, and position have to be impeccable. I don’t know the man’s character or thoughts but I think that is such a hard thing to pull off, it would be unlikely he intended to fatally injure him. Hurt him? Maybe.
My husband grew up in Jamestown NY & his sister had 6 kids. Hockey is a religion (an understatement) in that family- girls & boys. It's an expensive sport that comes with a lot of risk. My neice got a full ride at Cornell on a hockey scholarship. (Me unnecessarily bragging lol) but dang the number of injuries in one family is insane!!
I loved reading that your niece got a full scholarship to Cornell! I went to grad school close by and had friends attend Cornell. I hope she enjoys it like they did. Beautiful area…Ithaca is gorges! (My favourite bumper sticker, to date 😂)
This was intentional. No doubt in my mind.
So very sad. My prayers go out to the family.
Ok, using a clip for the "Here Comes the Boom" video was inspired. Stuff like that is why i am subscribed to your channel. Your analysis and insight are great, but its the humor and production that make your channel the best.
You got fooled in this one Bruce...
It looks like he tried to keep Adam from pursuing a break away at any cost.
Perhaps he intended to strike armour rather than skin and simply knock him over. Nevertheless, such dangerous play is not acceptable. The fine line where consentual fighting and tackling ends and assault begins is one that we rarely have to deal with in sports. It's even harder in sports where those sort of aggressions aren't officially part of the game, just traditionally.
Thank your interesting perspective on this tragic event.
Rip Adam Johnson!
The skater who injured him skated away, he didn't check on him. That was another player.
Same thing happened to a goaltender many years ago. A trainer from the other team was a medic in vietnam and reached in with his hand and pinched the artery shut saving his life.
I saw the player bend his right knee (for a push-off), aim his left leg and make a short jump with the right leg (it was off the ice) for the reach. That looks deliberate -- to me.
The chances of it being a accident is not very high . That was a mma kick and rhey sont do that in hockey. Hes also known to be a dirty player