@@WEBB99yeah but he’s still right. They talk about how underpowered the Series S is but they’ll still release games on the previous gen systems. It doesn’t make sense
I wouldn't be, after all we still have games that run on years old PC hardware, why should console version be any different? The developers should make tweaks needed to maximize what they're working with
@@danboy12342honestly i think this is because consoles exist. AAA devs are kind of forced to think of "underpowered" hardware. If the the day ever comes and consoles arent a things its going to be the wild west you'd have to probably buy a new gpu every 2 to 3 years.
hold back? bro it already takes so long to develop games lol i am fine with the super ultra realistic graphics there is a leap ofc but if they keep improving like this even if new tech to make games faster gets introduced we will reach a point where it doesent even matter anymore cus people are fine with todays graphics anyways unless they innovate and send us into the game or smth or do something revolutionary like make us feel the environment of the game
No dude that's not how it works. If you have to make a game work on multiple platforms you are inherently limited by the least powerful platform. no amount of optimization is gonna make a series S perform like a series X....
Nah. There are around 80% Steam users with weaker hardware than Series S. Many games aren't even compatible with Steam Deck that run on SS. Meaning developers didn't even thought about Steam Deck while making the game.
Most steam deck presets in games that have a SD preset put the graphics to mostly high with some medium settings, so the steam deck preset doesn't really mean much if you can get more performance just from turning the game to medium or low graphics
True but low key that’s only bc most graphics cards aren’t really worth it. Most of them get negative reviews or if not they just get ignored. That’s why ppl would rather buy a 1080ti over a 3060 simply bc they’re around the same performance the only difference is just one could do ray tracing and the other one doesn’t and ray tracing hasn’t been mastered for the past 6 years, even the 4090 is useless for ray tracing even if you lower the resolution you’ll end up getting a bottleneck so yeah. There isn’t much of a reason to buy the latest generation of graphics cards especially from nvidia. Amd is different but some people don’t trust amd but it’s a bit understandable but they should be more optimistic about using it.
Yeah, absolutely. I won't get one, since it's not powerful enough for me (and I want to play some PS4 exclusive games), but I know already that it'd be the financially way better decision than the PS5...
@@adriantrusca1245 haha, you’re funny. Actually I’m not. I bought a Series S just because I wanted to play my Game Pass games on an actual console and not my laptop constantly. I have a PS4 Pro, PS4, Switch, Switch Lite, Gaming PC, and several retro consoles. I got the Xbox Series S to finally add a Microsoft console to my collection. 😝
@@Yasumui apparently not? lol I just was always anti Microsoft console because I work with Windows in IT, but then I got game pass for my birthday in January, so I got sucked in finally.
It IS the other way around. Series S/X sales is about 27 million, the Steam Deck hasn't even sold 5 million and it's PC based. The platform devs give the least shit about optimising for-basically, if it runs, it runs, if it doesn't, buy better hardware, fuck around with the graphics or ini settings, or pray.
“The Xbox series S is holding back gaming” Most people on PC are rocking less powerful hardware than the Series S, if anything the low end of PC gamers are “holding back” gaming
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Meh, all I know is something in the way of the fan making the lound. I would go in there for it, but I'm broke as shit after buying the PS5, and getting the right tool for is going to cost me over 65 bucks
@@Player_circle because newer more powerful pc parts release that most of the time same price as the original, just because your broke doesnt mean the gaming industry should be bound to xbox ones
Yeah but I feel like there should be a point where we stop trying to upgrade the graphics because with unreal engine 5 and raytracing games look photo realistic. There's no point to go beyond that
@GAMERAPLAYZ376 some of the games are better on ps5 but they don't have nearly as much as xbox. Especially after 2024. Ps5 has zero 1st party games this year.
That's not how "holding back" works. Whole point is that Microsoft requires parity between series S and Series X so if a dev wants to make a game for the series X they ARE being limited by also having to make it work on the series S. Like the steamdeck is irrelevant cuz it's the weakest of the bunch here. Nothing to hold back if it's less powerful, that just doesn't make any sense at all...
Maybe but it’s sold more then others so it’s larger potential customer base then ally and legion combined. I’m sure valve incentives it too. They originally said all steam games going forward would have to run on deck, though like Xbox they seem to backed down on that
I mean Microsoft’s doing smart. What’s the point of making heavy games, when 80% of steam users are using hardware weaker than Xbox s lol. They wanna sold games, not make it exclusivity for a minor part of humanity
@@user-vt7fo4sq9l I don't see how any of that is relevant. Parity between Xbox X and S makes sense because that's the one benefit of having console generations. Like you buy the game and it just works. If some games were suddenly exclusive to series X than series S buyers would feel left out and forced to buy a series X When the whole point of the series naming scheme was one unified platform with different price points.
I hate when people say the xbox series s is going to hold back this generation. That's not true a lot of people still are using the rx 580 and the gtx 1060. Shit even the rx 570 and the gtx 1050. I think it's great that xbox series s is out for people that can't afford $500.
@@TheCascadeKingeverything older than one year is old now in pc building community. It’s like a phone, company produces them every year and out 1-2 year guarantee, but it can really serve your 2+ years without problems, overconsumption trend is real
As far as I'm concerned games visually reached the "everything looks good" minestrone during the PS4/XB1 generation, it's mainly advances in CPU utilisation and SSD loading speeds that matter at this point which the Series S and even the Steam Deck are perfectly capable of
No not really Austin, the Steam Deck is gaming pc handheld. Few newer games can run on it. The Switch 2 on the other hand is a different story, if it’s similar to Series S in performance then yeah this may force devs to keep supporting it.
If a game can't run in the steam deck it can't run the steam deck and move on. If a game can't run on the series S than the game can't be published in the series X unless they're given special perms.
It's not the game consoles holding gaming back. It's game developers and especially publishers. They're releasing games that are unfinished, bug ridden, filled with micro transactions, and are just downright awful overall. Most of this is the publishers' fault, as they push developers too and past their limits. Looking at you, EA, Bethesda, Blizzard, and many, many others.
I use my Xbox Series S more than my Steamdeck, Nintendo Switches, and PS5 combined. The only thing that I use more than the Xbox is my Gameboy SP and GameCube.
The issue is that games are intended to play in native 720p on the Steam Deck. Xbox usually connects to a monitor or TV, which both have a higher native resolution.
I'm sorry I miss the days of gaming where you chose a console for what you wanted most. Xbox was great for shooter, playstation long winded jrpgs, and Nintendo just kept it a nice balance but had the worst graphics. Now every console has to be able to do 60 fps, raytraced, 4K UHD graphics or its considered a bad console
Not really. Average gamer just wants something that looks and runs better than last gen. Go talk to almost any PS5/Series/Switch owner who isn’t terminally online and they’ll tell you it’s great
How was PlayStation not good for shooters? They competing for what people want and that’s 4k 120 fps with ray tracing. Similar reason movies cost so much to make.
@@sly2792004people don't actually care about FPS and 4k , because Nintendo exist and are the market leader in console sales they're thriving with a device you could feasibly knock together for £50
Yeah but then ms wouldn't make the take they get from the store on Xbox, meaning there would be no reason to sell the series s at a loss anymore. Essentially the reason the series s doesn't cost 500usd is because ms sell it at a loss to make more money from game sales.
I thought the whole point of series s was 1.) digital, 2.) lower resolution and frame rate capabilities, but still same overall power The way I remember it it was like the Series X slim
Yes and no, even if the xbox and playstation fundamentally have the same gpu architecture, xbox allocates up to 10 gig of memory for video, where Steamdeck allocates 1 gb by default or up to 4 gb user selected (even more with custom tools) but the memory gets reserved and that cuts the os from using even if not used completely by the gpu. Also the Steamdeck gpu its hella cut down in specks similar to the later gtx 1600 stock series, it can use elements from raytracing capable cards but without the specific hardware associated with at a much higher performance cost.
Games released after the current gen still look like last gen games, only games that look like a true current gen are Hellblade 2 and Cyberpunk. I am shocked that we still get last gen games capped at 30fps on the current machines.
Mean does it? My cpu is only 3 years old and already not able to do new games on recommended. Seems pc game studios don’t care if some person with old pc can’t play their games. As one publisher said “ we’ll just upgrade your pc then”
@@sly2792004 i think that it is not about your cpu but yougrqphics but Who knows. Also if you have a bad 3 years old cpu, then I understand why it dont start
It can even push 4k 120hz or 8k 60hz Keep in mind thats the ports speed, kinda like how your internet may be fast but a laggy device may drag it down. So real world performance isnt as good but for 8k videos it can play them. It can't even push dave the diver or team fortress 2 at 4k 60 fps (need to cap it to 30), but it run respectably well at beautiful settings on the built in screen.
just a reality check, most developers have to try to make their games so poorly optimized that it doesn't run on some of these systems. this is because unity and unreal engine are pre-built engines, you have to make really poor decisions for these engines to run so craply that they won't run on Xbox and other machines
very true , I randomly stumbled upon Deaths Door on game pass and for me personally it's one of the best games I've played in recent times , it's the first game I've 100% finished in years and realistically that game could have run on xbox360
I disagree the serie s has 8gb of unified memory while the steam deck has 16. That's a really big deal running newer games with only 8gb of vram is going to become more and more difficult
Finally that narrative is going away. Its always CPU power more than GPU power that will hold a machine back. Series S CPU is no joke and thats what really counts. Other features like spilt screen are more due to memory than compute. Always gonna be compromises.
Consoles dont really need as much ram as pc without as may OS processes in the background as a pc game. Remember, when on pc we had games requiring 2 gb of ram the same games ran on 256 mb of ram on console.
Mfs be saying that the series s is holding them back and still be releasing in the Xbox one. The series s has about the same power as an Xbox one x (the one x has a better gpu but a significantly worse cpu so they perform similar)
Let's be brutally honest. The only thing holding back gaming is the games themselves. The writing and everything in the last 20 years has mostly been rehashes of crap. Even games I liked the idea of had plots and acting even Fox would have been ashamed to put in a movie of the week. (If anyone has a Trainer or cheat that can "deliver me the moon". Aka let me just walk around on the moon?!?! I'd love to have it)
been saying this forever , netflix B movies have better stories than modern video games , that's genuinely what I love most about Souls games I don't have to watch hours and hours of cutscenes of a story written by a failed movie script/ book writer 😂
I wish people would stop calling Nintendo’s next system the Switch 2. We don’t know its official name yet so why set things up for potential disappointment?
They really whine about the Series S meanwhile they still make games for the Xbox One. If you're that lazy, just give Series X owners the Xbox One version
Maybe you could argue linux gaming? While they are leading the pack any falter they make reverberates throughout the linux gaming community. But considering how far we have come I think its better to be happy at what we have got than get upset at what could have been.
your logic is flawed heavily, think about the difference in resolution you will be playing at on a steam deck and then with xbox series s on a monitor or tv.
It’s typical bullshit. Lack of optimisation and bugs fixing is what holds the industry back. Look at breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom on the switch and how beautiful it looks. It goes to show that if you put enough effort on the game, it’ll work on even simpler hardware. And if that isn’t enough to prove it, look at red dead redemption 2 on ps4 and gta 5 on ps3. They’re all staples of good optimisation. And were hardly held back by the generation
How though? The switch doesn't even really take part. They've just been doing their own thing and it works for them. Like most multiplatform games on Xbox/ps5 never even come to switch and if they do its usually some shitty port. So devs who are developing for Xbox or ps5 often don't even consider switch.
Yes. They simply don’t release games on switch. They are required to make game run on series s if they want to put it out for series x. Series s sold more then x so if they going publish on Xbox makes sense to make it run on the s. I loved switch for 3rd party support but that ended 2 years ago. It’s indies and 1st party games only now.
Do you really expect Nintendo switch 2 to be even remotely close to performance to a steamdeck??? Mate Nintendo stopped aiming for high performance somewhere after GameCube.
This is a terrible comparison. The hardware between the series S and Deck are different they may use the same “architecture” but, one is using PC hardware the other is custom built for the console. Developers are not making games for the deck, outside of a handful of games that got dedicated patches it’s really just a crapshoot if it works or not. Majority of deck games are simply games being either updated or the proton layer eventually works its magic so the games run. Series S still is something developers have to dedicate time to spec for and it can cost them valuable resources and time delaying the release in some cases (Baldurs gate).
Even in PC it happens. That is why some games don't play well on some low spec PC hardware. When a game Dev makes the game playable for lower spec PC hardware he already made some graphic compromises so they can get it running on that.
@@paulreynolds7103Multiple devs have complained about Series S and the whole thing with Baldur's Gate 3 devs having issues with the lack of power from the Series S. I believe that's why we are also seeing so many more games skipping the Xbox altogether now
@@amgoingmadgames skipping Xbox are because of exclusivity deals in 90% of the cases and 10% is being just stubbornes or uncertainty if the game sells well if it's some niche Japanese franchise, never the hardware. Games are extremely scalable nowadays in terms of graphics and the only problem could be the CPU but Series S has the same CPU as X that technically even more powerful than the one in PS5 (even if it's just a small percentage)
Don’t think this is the right comparison as the purchase decision between these two hasn’t been about performance. People are getting the steam deck to access their steam libraries on the go, which is not the use case for the Xbox series S, which is mostly purchased for the GamePass library, and still requires a subscription.
Series S isn't holding back the generation because it's slow, it's holding it back because Microsoft won't allow a game on Series X unless it also runs on the Series S. Nobody forces developers to optimize for Steam Deck when making a PC release, in fact most of them don't, so it's a completely different situation.
Series S isn’t holding back shit. If the developers can’t be bothered to test and optimize for one extra console then what are they doing? Series s is an amazing device for its price and it’s the cheapest console gta 6 will run on. And that despite all its “issues” will run fine.
@@jaredcrane7547 Series S literally has 1/3 the GPU performance of Series X, roughly equivalent to GTX 1060, a mid-range card from 2017, and actually slower the one found in Xbox One X. It's not great hardware, not even by console standards. The way you nonchalantly say about devs not being bothered to optimize for an extra platform that happens to be 3x slower than the others, shows that you either have no idea how game development works, or worse, you're being purposely ignorant on the subject. Devs' work is all about deadlines, and game devs in particular are literally the most overworked and underpaid people in IT. Of course they can be "bothered" to optimize for this potato, but then they won't have time to get the most out of the better platforms (hence the Series S is holding things back), or they'll just have to delay the Xbox release as was the case with Baldur's Gate 3, but most publishers wouldn't agree to such a move.
I think it makes sense though. Like it's a console. People who buy consoles want a simple platform. Like they don't want to worry if a game will run on their version of console. Also if the X can play games that the S can't people with the S will feel ripped off. It's like this FOMO shit pressuring you into upgrading. So imo it's actually a good consumer friendly decision to demand parity between the S and X, even though there clearly are some downsides as well
I didn't understand the meaning of the steam deck it's not much different than a backbone or a switch it just has more games than a switch and is better than the backbone
SD gives me access to the entirety of my PC games library natively on the go. A backbone or razer kishi doesn't. I can't play Helldivers 2 on my phone away from home without ever having to buy a PS5
Mm? That doesn’t make any sense. I thought Microsoft was about to abandon the Series S. How did the Steam Deck save it? The same chipset?! It’s not even competing with the Series S! It’s competing in the handheld market with the ROG Ally, Legion Go and Claw! And another thing, stop dismissing the Steam Deck as less powerful, Valve doesn’t like that.
The games are awful. I played Madden 23 or 24 and it was complicated controls. I had more fun playing an old College football game in the mid 2000’s. I was playing Star Wars and it was the same thing. It was like a movie and not a game. That is my issue with a lot of the new games. There is no good gameplay or story line.
@@DivineBeingOfJustice yeah you forgot it has windows 11 it sucks i have windows 11 bro gaming handhelds are stupid so daily driver updates and 60 fps is bad also it lags 24/7
@@Rog_gamer729 it runs on linux, and all update/ driver updates are done within 10 seconds when you turn it on, barely any lag, and since when was 60 fps bad for a portable device or even consoles
@@DivineBeingOfJustice linuis is even worse and for that price only 60 fps and a buggy ass gameplay and xbox s does 120fps your defending a pointless argument
@@Rog_gamer729 you barely know what linux is, its not buggy at all, it is a portable, the series s is a console, the steam deck can play most games 60 fps and costs only 50 more thana switch while tenfold the power, the series S is a reskinned xbox one, there is nothing windows can do that linux cant
@@DivineBeingOfJustice no it’s not Steam deck isn’t holding back any games while the series s is Developers develop games with the minimum specs in mind which is the series s if that hadn’t existed then the minimum spec would be ps5 , pc aren’t considered minimum (the steam deck isn’t minimum spec) as developers when the developer for pc they keep in mind the most common gpu which is more way more powerful than ps5 and steam deck
PC is expensive af, can’t be used in the living room in a practical manner, and nobody wants to mess with a million settings. Plenty of amazing exclusive console games too that PC games constantly beg for, whereas PC exclusives are mostly not worth playing. Console all the way
@@IceBlueLugiamy pc is in my living room outperforms all consoles, autoboots into steam big picture which is console interface, i turn it on and only use it with a controller, plug and play for launching games like consoles no issues either your argument is null and void
@@zwenkwiel816 The problem with your "PC runs everything better" theory is that most people aren't running a top spec PC. Most are going by with things like a GTX1650 or an RTX 3060 at best and some 5 year old CPU or older. So for most it doesn't really run better. Not even mentioning game optimization where most Devs do less work for PC with the result of games having issues like stutter etc even with a 4090 while those issues aren't appearing in the console port and PC gamers have to just sit around hoping that the developer will fix the game after a year from release.
Series S is still holding back gaming due to Microsoft demanding games to be top god damn similar between the S and X At least on playstation you can make PS5 Pro exclusive games that wouldnt be able to run on the PS5 normal at least not above 1440p
What? How does series s hold anything back? Games work fine on that console. There is something seriously wrong with the gaming industry if they can’t even push 720p low/med settings on an Xbox series s. And every game on the Playstation will always be made with the lowest common denominator. It doesn’t matter how strong the ps5 pro is. The games will be designed with the ps5 in mind.
@@jaredcrane7547 Microsoft wants synergy between X and S so games such as starfield and cyberpunk and sort's cannot ever look as good on the series X as they otherwise could because of the series S existing and needing to be 1 to 1 with the X version any only loose FPS not be given worse graphics or anything
@@jaredcrane7547 plenty of PC games can be ported to the PS5 pro but not to the weak ass PS5 as there are overheads involved with porting and its also easy to give certain games such as Cyberpunk PS5 PRO exclusive graphics upgrades
@@commanderoof4578 Microsoft owns Bethesda they have full autonomy to decide what happens with the games made by that company. As for Cyberpunk, it’s a terrible comparison considering that it released in a broken state on every single device it launched on. Worse yet on ps4 and Xbox one. Which they fixed eventually. And if the existence of series s holds gaming back, so does pc with its bajillion specifications across the board. Because at the end of the day they all want to make the game available for the masses yeah? What better way to do it than to release the game that works in low end pc hardware which will hold back the generation, no?
@@commanderoof4578 Ps5 pro isn’t even out yet my dude. Plus it’s on the developers to add those functionalities and games. PS4 pro had little success since it was just a gpu spec bump. The same will happen to the ps5 pro. Nobody is going to spend money to develope unique for a piece of product that will not sell nearly as well as the original All The while ignoring the base ps5 users. It’s asinine.
@@jaredcrane7547no, it’s the developers fault for being lazy and not optimizing shit, Microsoft made an consumer friendly choice when saying that games must work on both consoles, because if they didn’t, then series S would be pointless as the people buying will feel ripped off.
"The Xbox Series S is holding back the generatipn" say devs that still release their "next gen" games on Xbox One/PS4
Resident Evil 4 Remake on ps4 goes brrrrr
the only reason games still come out for last gen is because the install base is really high
cough in "gotham knights devs.."
@@WEBB99yeah but he’s still right. They talk about how underpowered the Series S is but they’ll still release games on the previous gen systems. It doesn’t make sense
@@JBomb692 because people are still buying for last gen, not everyone has a ps5 or x because the price
"Holding back" we're gonna be hearing that from every ps5 pro user, I swear
I wouldn't be, after all we still have games that run on years old PC hardware, why should console version be any different? The developers should make tweaks needed to maximize what they're working with
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@@danboy12342honestly i think this is because consoles exist. AAA devs are kind of forced to think of "underpowered" hardware. If the the day ever comes and consoles arent a things its going to be the wild west you'd have to probably buy a new gpu every 2 to 3 years.
hold back? bro it already takes so long to develop games lol i am fine with the super ultra realistic graphics there is a leap ofc but if they keep improving like this even if new tech to make games faster gets introduced we will reach a point where it doesent even matter anymore cus people are fine with todays graphics anyways unless they innovate and send us into the game or smth or do something revolutionary like make us feel the environment of the game
All the developers saying the series s is holding back the generation needs to optimize their games lol.
No dude that's not how it works.
If you have to make a game work on multiple platforms you are inherently limited by the least powerful platform.
no amount of optimization is gonna make a series S perform like a series X....
@zwenkwiel816 or you can just make graphics options so you can customize them until they run good on your device, kinda like how it eorks on pc
@@zwenkwiel816The same devs that cry also port their games to Xbox One and PS4 LOL
@zombiemincaftr you beat me to it lol
@@zombiemincaftrthen at that point just buy a pc?
Nah. There are around 80% Steam users with weaker hardware than Series S.
Many games aren't even compatible with Steam Deck that run on SS. Meaning developers didn't even thought about Steam Deck while making the game.
Fr, only a few games have a Steam Deck preset
If it was popular enough I think the steam deck would have a lot more compatibility
Most steam deck presets in games that have a SD preset put the graphics to mostly high with some medium settings, so the steam deck preset doesn't really mean much if you can get more performance just from turning the game to medium or low graphics
@@PochisMovies I mean, without the Steam Deck, we wouldn't have gotten Linux support for games like Apex, Overwatch and The Finals
True but low key that’s only bc most graphics cards aren’t really worth it. Most of them get negative reviews or if not they just get ignored. That’s why ppl would rather buy a 1080ti over a 3060 simply bc they’re around the same performance the only difference is just one could do ray tracing and the other one doesn’t and ray tracing hasn’t been mastered for the past 6 years, even the 4090 is useless for ray tracing even if you lower the resolution you’ll end up getting a bottleneck so yeah. There isn’t much of a reason to buy the latest generation of graphics cards especially from nvidia. Amd is different but some people don’t trust amd but it’s a bit understandable but they should be more optimistic about using it.
In my opinion the xbox series S is genuinely one of the best consoles ever for price V performance, its SO GOOD
Agreed
Agreed minus the small storage
Yeah, absolutely. I won't get one, since it's not powerful enough for me (and I want to play some PS4 exclusive games), but I know already that it'd be the financially way better decision than the PS5...
Couldn't agree more. I've had both a series S and a Series X and even if you've just won the lottery I would probably still recommend the S.
just buy an x cus 4 k 1 tb etc etc disc drive 200 more the s might seem good but its a lie
Just bought a Series S recently and I absolutely love it
Haha. You are poor.
@@adriantrusca1245 haha, you’re funny. Actually I’m not. I bought a Series S just because I wanted to play my Game Pass games on an actual console and not my laptop constantly. I have a PS4 Pro, PS4, Switch, Switch Lite, Gaming PC, and several retro consoles. I got the Xbox Series S to finally add a Microsoft console to my collection. 😝
@@AddiJay2397flexing 😂he can’t handle that
@@Yasumui apparently not? lol I just was always anti Microsoft console because I work with Windows in IT, but then I got game pass for my birthday in January, so I got sucked in finally.
@@AddiJay2397 should've gone for the X imo but enjoy!
I'd say the otherway round, the S saved the steam deck. If it was just the X then Devs would just aim for specs well past the SD
This.
Deck doesn’t need “saving” with the Steam library there’s 1000s of very playable games already and can handle most newer games with graphics tweaking
@@MrRoundthetwist yeah I feel like this whole stupid argument ignores the existence of graphics settings.
It IS the other way around. Series S/X sales is about 27 million, the Steam Deck hasn't even sold 5 million and it's PC based. The platform devs give the least shit about optimising for-basically, if it runs, it runs, if it doesn't, buy better hardware, fuck around with the graphics or ini settings, or pray.
“The Xbox series S is holding back gaming”
Most people on PC are rocking less powerful hardware than the Series S, if anything the low end of PC gamers are “holding back” gaming
Thats what i always think, when someone mentions that the series s is the problem.
Most PC gamers I know are still using GTX 1660s, 1060s, 1070s 1080s which aren't on par with series S, maybe 1080 depending on the rest of your rig.
it's nvidia holding back gaming by releasing rtx 3050 ti with only 4GB of VRAM
@@javierdelgado3915 not to mention rx 480s and 580s
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Not what i see
Lol my xbox one s is still more quiet than my ps5 and that thing over 8 years old XD
ok, so i have those 2 consoles aswell, and either your ps5 is broken and the fans are super loud, or your xbox one s is in mint condition
then your ps5 has a problem
Meh, all I know is something in the way of the fan making the lound. I would go in there for it, but I'm broke as shit after buying the PS5, and getting the right tool for is going to cost me over 65 bucks
Ps4 and xb1 graphics already look amazing why cant new games be optimise like them
they are not optimised, they are the peak graphics of when they released
They were good why can't we keep them so lower tier computers and consoles can play them
@@Player_circle because newer more powerful pc parts release that most of the time same price as the original, just because your broke doesnt mean the gaming industry should be bound to xbox ones
Yeah but I feel like there should be a point where we stop trying to upgrade the graphics because with unreal engine 5 and raytracing games look photo realistic. There's no point to go beyond that
Maybe when the ps5 pro drops, Sony will release the first ps5 game!!
I heard it's going to be the last of us part 2 remastered remaster
@korkuc26 oh sick yeah that game needs a complete remake it's already 8 months old
they have loads of games, atleast more than xbox
@GAMERAPLAYZ376 some of the games are better on ps5 but they don't have nearly as much as xbox. Especially after 2024. Ps5 has zero 1st party games this year.
That's not how "holding back" works. Whole point is that Microsoft requires parity between series S and Series X so if a dev wants to make a game for the series X they ARE being limited by also having to make it work on the series S.
Like the steamdeck is irrelevant cuz it's the weakest of the bunch here. Nothing to hold back if it's less powerful, that just doesn't make any sense at all...
Maybe but it’s sold more then others so it’s larger potential customer base then ally and legion combined. I’m sure valve incentives it too. They originally said all steam games going forward would have to run on deck, though like Xbox they seem to backed down on that
I mean Microsoft’s doing smart. What’s the point of making heavy games, when 80% of steam users are using hardware weaker than Xbox s lol. They wanna sold games, not make it exclusivity for a minor part of humanity
@@user-vt7fo4sq9l I don't see how any of that is relevant. Parity between Xbox X and S makes sense because that's the one benefit of having console generations. Like you buy the game and it just works. If some games were suddenly exclusive to series X than series S buyers would feel left out and forced to buy a series X
When the whole point of the series naming scheme was one unified platform with different price points.
I hate when people say the xbox series s is going to hold back this generation. That's not true a lot of people still are using the rx 580 and the gtx 1060. Shit even the rx 570 and the gtx 1050. I think it's great that xbox series s is out for people that can't afford $500.
I’m using a gtx 1660 ti. Does that make me a part of them?
@TheCascadeKing It's a lower end card but you're video card is still great
@@TheCascadeKingeverything older than one year is old now in pc building community. It’s like a phone, company produces them every year and out 1-2 year guarantee, but it can really serve your 2+ years without problems, overconsumption trend is real
As long as you're happy with the performance. That's what matters the most who cares what the hater say just shake them off shake them off.
As far as I'm concerned games visually reached the "everything looks good" minestrone during the PS4/XB1 generation, it's mainly advances in CPU utilisation and SSD loading speeds that matter at this point which the Series S and even the Steam Deck are perfectly capable of
No not really Austin, the Steam Deck is gaming pc handheld. Few newer games can run on it. The Switch 2 on the other hand is a different story, if it’s similar to Series S in performance then yeah this may force devs to keep supporting it.
If a game can't run in the steam deck it can't run the steam deck and move on. If a game can't run on the series S than the game can't be published in the series X unless they're given special perms.
Well, if XSS shipped with Steam, I would buy that too.
its PC hardware prices that are holding back games.
The series s is a good next generation console I’m tired of hearing some people hate on it
It's not the game consoles holding gaming back. It's game developers and especially publishers. They're releasing games that are unfinished, bug ridden, filled with micro transactions, and are just downright awful overall. Most of this is the publishers' fault, as they push developers too and past their limits. Looking at you, EA, Bethesda, Blizzard, and many, many others.
I use my Xbox Series S more than my Steamdeck, Nintendo Switches, and PS5 combined.
The only thing that I use more than the Xbox is my Gameboy SP and GameCube.
That’s a convoluted chain of reasoning, but sure.
The issue is that games are intended to play in native 720p on the Steam Deck. Xbox usually connects to a monitor or TV, which both have a higher native resolution.
I thought this was going to be a video referencing what the Phawx did with the handheld Xbox idea.
I take my series s everywhere because it's so portable i just set it up and me and my homies play local games at work
I'm sorry I miss the days of gaming where you chose a console for what you wanted most. Xbox was great for shooter, playstation long winded jrpgs, and Nintendo just kept it a nice balance but had the worst graphics. Now every console has to be able to do 60 fps, raytraced, 4K UHD graphics or its considered a bad console
I have to say to people that want that with it being the be all, end all. Invest in PC!
Not really. Average gamer just wants something that looks and runs better than last gen. Go talk to almost any PS5/Series/Switch owner who isn’t terminally online and they’ll tell you it’s great
How was PlayStation not good for shooters?
They competing for what people want and that’s 4k 120 fps with ray tracing. Similar reason movies cost so much to make.
@@sly2792004people don't actually care about FPS and 4k , because Nintendo exist and are the market leader in console sales they're thriving with a device you could feasibly knock together for £50
Love my series s
These things would be the ultimate machine If they go through with opening up to third party stores.
Yeah but then ms wouldn't make the take they get from the store on Xbox, meaning there would be no reason to sell the series s at a loss anymore.
Essentially the reason the series s doesn't cost 500usd is because ms sell it at a loss to make more money from game sales.
Love my series s just as much as my x
Since I have a gaming pc I brought the carbon black series s
I thought the whole point of series s was 1.) digital, 2.) lower resolution and frame rate capabilities, but still same overall power
The way I remember it it was like the Series X slim
Yes and no, even if the xbox and playstation fundamentally have the same gpu architecture, xbox allocates up to 10 gig of memory for video, where Steamdeck allocates 1 gb by default or up to 4 gb user selected (even more with custom tools) but the memory gets reserved and that cuts the os from using even if not used completely by the gpu. Also the Steamdeck gpu its hella cut down in specks similar to the later gtx 1600 stock series, it can use elements from raytracing capable cards but without the specific hardware associated with at a much higher performance cost.
I hope the PS5 Pro and next Xbox won’t have Zen 2 processors…
Just wait till they start using the zen 4 cores
Games released after the current gen still look like last gen games, only games that look like a true current gen are Hellblade 2 and Cyberpunk. I am shocked that we still get last gen games capped at 30fps on the current machines.
AC Unity (2014) looks BETTER than AC Mirage (2023)
@@energytrail315 🤣🤣🤣for real? I guess me buying AC Unity instead of Mirage was a good idea
@@thefrog414 LOL 😆probably, because I also heard Unity has more diversity in terms of moveset
Pc >>> ps5 / series x >>> Rog ally >> steam deck >>>> series s
Oh well then computers from 2015 with worse hardware also hold back games
Mean does it? My cpu is only 3 years old and already not able to do new games on recommended. Seems pc game studios don’t care if some person with old pc can’t play their games. As one publisher said “ we’ll just upgrade your pc then”
@@sly2792004 i think that it is not about your cpu but yougrqphics but Who knows. Also if you have a bad 3 years old cpu, then I understand why it dont start
Xbox series "Sad"
Lets not forget SONY decided that the PS4 was good to go for 3 more years, but yeah, gaming handhelds shot off that narrative for good
How is it then that the Steam Deck can Output 4k 60FPS Docked vs the Xbox Series S that Outputs 1440p at best?
It can even push 4k 120hz or 8k 60hz
Keep in mind thats the ports speed, kinda like how your internet may be fast but a laggy device may drag it down.
So real world performance isnt as good but for 8k videos it can play them.
It can't even push dave the diver or team fortress 2 at 4k 60 fps (need to cap it to 30), but it run respectably well at beautiful settings on the built in screen.
just a reality check, most developers have to try to make their games so poorly optimized that it doesn't run on some of these systems. this is because unity and unreal engine are pre-built engines, you have to make really poor decisions for these engines to run so craply that they won't run on Xbox and other machines
Can someone please point me to the steam deck joystick caps he's using in this video
Noo
Valid points
Innovative games don't need graphic powerhouses.
very true , I randomly stumbled upon Deaths Door on game pass and for me personally it's one of the best games I've played in recent times , it's the first game I've 100% finished in years and realistically that game could have run on xbox360
The steam deck isnt helping the series s because the steam deck is an optomizable computer handheld and the series s not so much
I disagree the serie s has 8gb of unified memory while the steam deck has 16. That's a really big deal running newer games with only 8gb of vram is going to become more and more difficult
Finally that narrative is going away. Its always CPU power more than GPU power that will hold a machine back. Series S CPU is no joke and thats what really counts. Other features like spilt screen are more due to memory than compute. Always gonna be compromises.
The S has 10gb of ram tho
Consoles dont really need as much ram as pc without as may OS processes in the background as a pc game. Remember, when on pc we had games requiring 2 gb of ram the same games ran on 256 mb of ram on console.
@@davidsomoza Steam Deck isn't running Windows though.
It has an OS specialised for games so not that much different from a console.
@@SIPEROTH Yeah it legit runs Linux lol
Xbox Series S and ShortTechImma1st
Mfs be saying that the series s is holding them back and still be releasing in the Xbox one. The series s has about the same power as an Xbox one x (the one x has a better gpu but a significantly worse cpu so they perform similar)
Let's be brutally honest. The only thing holding back gaming is the games themselves. The writing and everything in the last 20 years has mostly been rehashes of crap. Even games I liked the idea of had plots and acting even Fox would have been ashamed to put in a movie of the week. (If anyone has a Trainer or cheat that can "deliver me the moon". Aka let me just walk around on the moon?!?! I'd love to have it)
been saying this forever , netflix B movies have better stories than modern video games , that's genuinely what I love most about Souls games I don't have to watch hours and hours of cutscenes of a story written by a failed movie script/ book writer 😂
I disagree. I sold my series s for a steam deck and I don’t miss it at all.
Funny how Xbox parent company is Microsoft and yet there consoles don’t have an nvme slot
To be fair you have no actual idea what hardware the next Nintendo console will contain.
Czy to prawda że główna aktorka nie wiedziała, że film Sony nie wchodzi do uniwersum Marvela?
They say this while they release their games on switch? Pitiful.
Series S its the reason hellblade 2 be running at 30 fps.
and also the reason why Tekken 8 has been downgraded
I wish people would stop calling Nintendo’s next system the Switch 2. We don’t know its official name yet so why set things up for potential disappointment?
Laptop is the best ❤
How did the Steam Deck save it? The Series S is wildly more successful than the Steam Deck. It should be the other way around.
yeah, no, the steamdeck outsold the series S , valve always wins
They really whine about the Series S meanwhile they still make games for the Xbox One. If you're that lazy, just give Series X owners the Xbox One version
wtf is this comparison Austin 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
The Deck isn't holding anything back.
Maybe you could argue linux gaming?
While they are leading the pack any falter they make reverberates throughout the linux gaming community.
But considering how far we have come I think its better to be happy at what we have got than get upset at what could have been.
your logic is flawed heavily, think about the difference in resolution you will be playing at on a steam deck and then with xbox series s on a monitor or tv.
Is the series s really holding up the gaming industry? I thought the switch was.
It’s typical bullshit. Lack of optimisation and bugs fixing is what holds the industry back. Look at breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom on the switch and how beautiful it looks. It goes to show that if you put enough effort on the game, it’ll work on even simpler hardware. And if that isn’t enough to prove it, look at red dead redemption 2 on ps4 and gta 5 on ps3. They’re all staples of good optimisation. And were hardly held back by the generation
How though? The switch doesn't even really take part. They've just been doing their own thing and it works for them.
Like most multiplatform games on Xbox/ps5 never even come to switch and if they do its usually some shitty port. So devs who are developing for Xbox or ps5 often don't even consider switch.
Yes. They simply don’t release games on switch. They are required to make game run on series s if they want to put it out for series x. Series s sold more then x so if they going publish on Xbox makes sense to make it run on the s. I loved switch for 3rd party support but that ended 2 years ago. It’s indies and 1st party games only now.
Nobody is actively making steam deck targeted games. So this doesn’t make much sense.
thats because its a pc bro, it plays pc games
Do you really expect Nintendo switch 2 to be even remotely close to performance to a steamdeck??? Mate Nintendo stopped aiming for high performance somewhere after GameCube.
This is a terrible comparison. The hardware between the series S and Deck are different they may use the same “architecture” but, one is using PC hardware the other is custom built for the console. Developers are not making games for the deck, outside of a handful of games that got dedicated patches it’s really just a crapshoot if it works or not. Majority of deck games are simply games being either updated or the proton layer eventually works its magic so the games run. Series S still is something developers have to dedicate time to spec for and it can cost them valuable resources and time delaying the release in some cases (Baldurs gate).
Series s can not hold bacl next gen games the games just run at worse graphics/framerate on S then on X or Ps5
It is same as bad pc and high end pc
Even in PC it happens. That is why some games don't play well on some low spec PC hardware.
When a game Dev makes the game playable for lower spec PC hardware he already made some graphic compromises so they can get it running on that.
Series S does hold it back though
80% of people on steam are playing unless powerful hardware😂
@@paulreynolds7103 PC doesn't hold anything back, since games are not made for PC, in mind, it is only ported for it. Unlike the Series S
@@amgoingmad name the best example you have of a game being held back because of the series s? Genuinely asking ✌️
@@paulreynolds7103Multiple devs have complained about Series S and the whole thing with Baldur's Gate 3 devs having issues with the lack of power from the Series S. I believe that's why we are also seeing so many more games skipping the Xbox altogether now
@@amgoingmadgames skipping Xbox are because of exclusivity deals in 90% of the cases and 10% is being just stubbornes or uncertainty if the game sells well if it's some niche Japanese franchise, never the hardware. Games are extremely scalable nowadays in terms of graphics and the only problem could be the CPU but Series S has the same CPU as X that technically even more powerful than the one in PS5 (even if it's just a small percentage)
But the steam deck isn't supposed to be the most powerful piece of hardware, but a potable console. I don't get your point
The consoles are holding games back because consoles are extremely weak compared to a computer
Toaster Xbox Series S.
Holding the generation? This is the worst generation ever, no games 😅
Don’t think this is the right comparison as the purchase decision between these two hasn’t been about performance. People are getting the steam deck to access their steam libraries on the go, which is not the use case for the Xbox series S, which is mostly purchased for the GamePass library, and still requires a subscription.
Series S isn't holding back the generation because it's slow, it's holding it back because Microsoft won't allow a game on Series X unless it also runs on the Series S. Nobody forces developers to optimize for Steam Deck when making a PC release, in fact most of them don't, so it's a completely different situation.
Series S isn’t holding back shit. If the developers can’t be bothered to test and optimize for one extra console then what are they doing? Series s is an amazing device for its price and it’s the cheapest console gta 6 will run on. And that despite all its “issues” will run fine.
@@jaredcrane7547 Series S literally has 1/3 the GPU performance of Series X, roughly equivalent to GTX 1060, a mid-range card from 2017, and actually slower the one found in Xbox One X. It's not great hardware, not even by console standards.
The way you nonchalantly say about devs not being bothered to optimize for an extra platform that happens to be 3x slower than the others, shows that you either have no idea how game development works, or worse, you're being purposely ignorant on the subject. Devs' work is all about deadlines, and game devs in particular are literally the most overworked and underpaid people in IT. Of course they can be "bothered" to optimize for this potato, but then they won't have time to get the most out of the better platforms (hence the Series S is holding things back), or they'll just have to delay the Xbox release as was the case with Baldur's Gate 3, but most publishers wouldn't agree to such a move.
I think it makes sense though. Like it's a console. People who buy consoles want a simple platform. Like they don't want to worry if a game will run on their version of console.
Also if the X can play games that the S can't people with the S will feel ripped off.
It's like this FOMO shit pressuring you into upgrading. So imo it's actually a good consumer friendly decision to demand parity between the S and X, even though there clearly are some downsides as well
Sus
No. No lol dude have no idea what he's talking about
Thayer can’t even run games a 60 fps lol
So far "next gen" has just kinda... sucked
Nope
I didn't understand the meaning of the steam deck it's not much different than a backbone or a switch it just has more games than a switch and is better than the backbone
Simply a deeicated steam handheld companion device. I don't think it's "trying" to be anything else.
SD gives me access to the entirety of my PC games library natively on the go. A backbone or razer kishi doesn't. I can't play Helldivers 2 on my phone away from home without ever having to buy a PS5
Series x is better, series s ain't worth anything
Mm? That doesn’t make any sense. I thought Microsoft was about to abandon the Series S. How did the Steam Deck save it? The same chipset?! It’s not even competing with the Series S! It’s competing in the handheld market with the ROG Ally, Legion Go and Claw! And another thing, stop dismissing the Steam Deck as less powerful, Valve doesn’t like that.
The Xbox Series S saved this whole gen☝🏼
no it didnt lmao, the ps5 did
The games are awful. I had more fun playing a PS2.
same i still play with my ps3 if i get bored lol
The games are awful. I played Madden 23 or 24 and it was complicated controls. I had more fun playing an old College football game in the mid 2000’s. I was playing Star Wars and it was the same thing. It was like a movie and not a game. That is my issue with a lot of the new games. There is no good gameplay or story line.
Bro xbox s owns that garbage
dude, the steam deck can emulate games from nes to ps3 and can play cyberpunk 2077 portably 60fps, you dont see the overpriced speaker doing that
@@DivineBeingOfJustice yeah you forgot it has windows 11 it sucks i have windows 11 bro gaming handhelds are stupid so daily driver updates and 60 fps is bad also it lags 24/7
@@Rog_gamer729 it runs on linux, and all update/ driver updates are done within 10 seconds when you turn it on, barely any lag, and since when was 60 fps bad for a portable device or even consoles
@@DivineBeingOfJustice linuis is even worse and for that price only 60 fps and a buggy ass gameplay and xbox s does 120fps your defending a pointless argument
@@Rog_gamer729 you barely know what linux is, its not buggy at all, it is a portable, the series s is a console, the steam deck can play most games 60 fps and costs only 50 more thana switch while tenfold the power, the series S is a reskinned xbox one, there is nothing windows can do that linux cant
Ps5 pro to play what😂😂?
People who want a pto probably play roblox or fornite
Minecraft obviously
more games than xbox
this sounds like crazy cope
10GB ram vs 16GB ram
L take
w take actually
@@DivineBeingOfJustice no it’s not
Steam deck isn’t holding back any games while the series s is
Developers develop games with the minimum specs in mind which is the series s if that hadn’t existed then the minimum spec would be ps5 , pc aren’t considered minimum (the steam deck isn’t minimum spec) as developers when the developer for pc they keep in mind the most common gpu which is more way more powerful than ps5 and steam deck
Lol consoles are such crap... i have a 4090 your using amd scarlett from 2022... sad. Xbox is crap. It has issues holding 120fps 1440p
This person is not intelligent
The switch is a total scam compared to previous nintendo consoles and previous 8th Gen consoles and the current Xbox series s and steam deck
Imagine buying console just get a pc and it’ll run so much better than any console
PC is expensive af, can’t be used in the living room in a practical manner, and nobody wants to mess with a million settings. Plenty of amazing exclusive console games too that PC games constantly beg for, whereas PC exclusives are mostly not worth playing. Console all the way
@@IceBlueLugiamy pc is in my living room outperforms all consoles, autoboots into steam big picture which is console interface, i turn it on and only use it with a controller, plug and play for launching games like consoles no issues either your argument is null and void
Or just use whatever u want to use. Both sides have its benefits. But to say one is clearly better than the other is fucking bullcrap
@@jaredcrane7547no it's not. There's a bunch of stuff you can clearly quantify like resolution, framerate or just pure Tflops or whatever...
@@zwenkwiel816 The problem with your "PC runs everything better" theory is that most people aren't running a top spec PC. Most are going by with things like a GTX1650 or an RTX 3060 at best and some 5 year old CPU or older.
So for most it doesn't really run better.
Not even mentioning game optimization where most Devs do less work for PC with the result of games having issues like stutter etc even with a 4090 while those issues aren't appearing in the console port and PC gamers have to just sit around hoping that the developer will fix the game after a year from release.
Series s saved the deck , not the other way around.
Series S is still holding back gaming due to Microsoft demanding games to be top god damn similar between the S and X
At least on playstation you can make PS5 Pro exclusive games that wouldnt be able to run on the PS5 normal at least not above 1440p
What? How does series s hold anything back? Games work fine on that console. There is something seriously wrong with the gaming industry if they can’t even push 720p low/med settings on an Xbox series s. And every game on the Playstation will always be made with the lowest common denominator. It doesn’t matter how strong the ps5 pro is. The games will be designed with the ps5 in mind.
@@jaredcrane7547 Microsoft wants synergy between X and S so games such as starfield and cyberpunk and sort's cannot ever look as good on the series X as they otherwise could because of the series S existing and needing to be 1 to 1 with the X version any only loose FPS not be given worse graphics or anything
@@jaredcrane7547 plenty of PC games can be ported to the PS5 pro but not to the weak ass PS5 as there are overheads involved with porting and its also easy to give certain games such as Cyberpunk PS5 PRO exclusive graphics upgrades
@@commanderoof4578 Microsoft owns Bethesda they have full autonomy to decide what happens with the games made by that company. As for Cyberpunk, it’s a terrible comparison considering that it released in a broken state on every single device it launched on. Worse yet on ps4 and Xbox one. Which they fixed eventually. And if the existence of series s holds gaming back, so does pc with its bajillion specifications across the board. Because at the end of the day they all want to make the game available for the masses yeah? What better way to do it than to release the game that works in low end pc hardware which will hold back the generation, no?
@@commanderoof4578 Ps5 pro isn’t even out yet my dude. Plus it’s on the developers to add those functionalities and games. PS4 pro had little success since it was just a gpu spec bump. The same will happen to the ps5 pro. Nobody is going to spend money to develope unique for a piece of product that will not sell nearly as well as the original All The while ignoring the base ps5 users. It’s asinine.
Whoever thought that the series s is holding gaming back is just dumb
Lack of optimisation holds gaming back. Every other answer is just bullcrap peddled unnecessarily just to cause drama
@@jaredcrane7547 not everyone can afford a XBOX series x also
@@jaredcrane7547no, it’s the developers fault for being lazy and not optimizing shit, Microsoft made an consumer friendly choice when saying that games must work on both consoles, because if they didn’t, then series S would be pointless as the people buying will feel ripped off.
Before chill playing in the back @blooprint