Why would you publicly propose to someone you've never even went to a date with? That's just crazy and delusional. Not to mention pulling that in public is just another tactic of putting pressure on the other person to say yes. What are people like this thinking ????
Here's the thing. Clearly Jordan was under the impression that they had in fact been on _many_ dates and that this mutual visit to each other's hometowns was them taking their "relationship" to the "next level". Literally every rom-com ever was telling Jordan that this was true love. And yes, I know that makes no sense. Neither do the rom-coms. From now until the end of time, if a heterosexual guy has a friendship with a woman such that she'd describe him as "her #1", there's a near 100% chance that it's all because he wants to fuck her. Pleas note that OP specifically states that she has a history of guys thinking she's into them when she actually isn't. Her dialling it down to "normal" just puts her in the same boat with all the "normal" women who _still_ have to contend with this bullshit. Just to be clear though, this guy's misapprehension about this relationship in particular is on him for not directly communicating. His likely misapprehension about relationships in general _may_ not be.
I wonder if he came from a very religious background where the dating process would be more chaste? Growing up in a religious school I knew people who weren't even allowed to hold hands before marriage. It's thee only thing I can figure
Story 1: proposing in public, especially to someone you don’t know is into you, is SUPER manipulative. Proposing in public is basically bullying that person into saying yes so the person proposing isn’t embarrassed and that’s manipulative AF. Whether you have been in a relationship or whatever that first story was. This is one reason I would rather have a private proposal. Aside from wanting an intimate moment with my partner, if I had reservations I wouldn’t want to embarrass them in public.
Is it manipulative? Perhaps. But it is also very culture to have a very public proposal. She was in her right to reject him, and most people really shouldn't fall to peer pressure(like this culture of public proposals for better results). The way she rejected him gives me "The worst she can say is no." vibes.
I agree with the top comment here, a public proposal can be a bit manipulative. It's fine if it's planned, discussed before hand etc. But it is NOT conducive to being a surprise proposal at the same time. It's public, or it's a surprise, not both. And for many women, it's neither. Read the room. I can sympathize with the guy a tiny little bit... I haven't always read the signals properly myself. Never to this insane extent, this was nuts, but I still, in my 40s, can't get a good read on a lot of women. People tell me the girl who won't even talk to me has a "crush" on me (40s is a bit old to use the term "crush", but whatever). The girl who runs her fingers through my chest hair apparently has no interest in me... The one who laughed at my joke likes me, or so I'm told... that one hurt. That was a good joke and people tell me she was faking it just because I have a sweet ass, as if the two are mutually exclusive. The signals some women send are confusing, I understand now why I've never seen a woman on an airport runway taxiing aircraft, it would be a fucking catastrophe, lol. These days, when I ask a woman out on a date, I actually say the word "Date". Not "You wanna hang out?" or something ambiguous like that. I'll say "I would like to take you on a date." Sure, I sound like a big 'ol dork, but at least then I know we're actually on the same page. Better to be the dork on a date than the cool guy who has no fucking clue what is happening, lol. But this guy went too far. Either he was having a mental break or there's some odd cultural thing at play. That he would think they were in a relationship with no sex, not even a kiss... that kinda screams religious nut-cake. There's no telling what his cult is into. Be it mental illness or indoctrination, his brain isn't firing on all cylinders.
My proposal to my wife was in public, but it was also private. In fact, we were on a public walking bridge, but it was at night, and it was only my now wife and I.
I think it can be fine if you know the person both wants to marry you and wants it in a public area. I dated a girl that mentioned multiple times that she wanted to be purposed to in a crowd. Otherwise it's a manipulation tactic to apply pressure to a person to say yes. I don't understand the point because they could just retract that yes as soon as you're in private. I've heard of that happening a few times.
Even if I was dumb enough to to skip dating and go straight to marriage, I’d definitely wouldn’t have expected laughter,maybe an awkward silence or maybe a rushed no, but to find it funny probably would never have crossed my mind,I would of took some emotional damage for sure.
How many times do we gotta tell yall. Public proposals are BAD ok. Its only cute when she/he has said she wants one. Public Proposals are manipulative as hell
Yeah just don't propose Or cohabitate Or to be honest even try nowadays The government will only drain you by incentivising her to leave you No ring No house No attention No fucks given Find your peace Enjoy it 😊
Story #2 - Lots of inaccurate info in the comments. "90% of Kidnappings are done by family members" - The actual number is 78% as of 2022 in the U.S. (this varies in other countries). 99.97% of those cases are resolved with the child returned alive (not necessarily unharmed though). "Grandparent's Rights" - Most states don't have this, and the very few who do limit it to situations in which neither parent is a suitable custodian (death, extreme disability, incarceration, or abuse) and there is no appointed custodian for the child. This really isn't a big concern as long as OP has legally indicated her mother as a guardian in the event of their incapacitation. They wouldn't have grounds to fight. Reddit and especially Facebook have some unhinged ideas about what "Grandparent's rights" are. The way the characterize it is so detached from reality, it's basically like Sovereign Citizen level crazy. The bigger concern that nobody mentioned is whether her sister could have been a danger to the child. This is actually a serious problem. She may not even want the kid, she may want to be a Mother first. She's treating the child as an object to be bartered, objectifying it. There are cases like this which are fueled primarily by envy, and they may hurt or even kill the child out of spite. It's not about the kid at all, it's about her sister having what she covets and taking that away from her. But Sweden is a good call. A largely affluent country with a high median income, great education system, decent healthcare. If you're going to expatriate, the Scandinavian countries are an amazing option. English is spoken commonly, so there's not a huge language barrier while adjusting, you can pick up the language as you go at a pretty calm pace. And that her husband is from there and can keep his job will make things go smoothly. And they have some of the best mental health facilities in the world incase any family comes to visit, lol. Kind of a best case scenario in this story.
Story 1, Nta and honestly to people in the comment section, saying op "lead him on" get a grip and come back to reality, she told him to his face many times, he was her friend to her and she herself is in a relationship, seriously he is beyond old enough to know op showed 0% romantic feelings for him, Bruh even i have friendships with the opposite gender, and i have never acted like this towards them, so this here is 100% on him nobody else. P.s to anyone else before you say anything, even if he was a simp/nice guy, that's his personal skill issue that nobody else is at fault for, he was strictly told he was a friend for years and if he couldn't listen & grasped that, that's his own fault and he needs to personal work on that.
He lives with her, they went to their home towns together, they met eachother family together. They go out on eating trips. alot of relationship start without either partner saying so. It happens. the problem is SHE LAUGHED IN HIS FACE. Yes, he went down a hole at the end and she dodged that, however she destroyed him and she defiantly lead him on.
@ItzPubby again though out the whole friendship she told him more then once he was a friend, not boyfriend but just a friend not to mention again she has been in multiple relationships while living with him, and he himself was in multiple relationships while living with op too, and it's not unheard of friends to go to each others hometowns or trips either, and since she saw him as nothing but a friend that's why she laughed at him because she thought her friend was making a joking, so naw she wasn't leaning him on he was delusional plain and simple.
@@ItzPubbyI do that with friends. There was no kissing, cuddling or heavy petting. You can’t propose who never showed real attraction. Also lead on for him to ask her out (maybe) not propose
Proposing in public, especially to someone you don’t know is into you is very manipulative. Public proposals need to be discussed before hand, as public proposals can typically pressure the other person into saying yes. What I don’t understand is why OP’s best friend proposed to her without even ever going on a date with her. Why would someone do that??? OP’s best friend “friend zoned” himself, she never gave him any signs that she was romantically interested in him. She’s nta, she didn’t “lead him on” she told him multiple times that they were just friends. Public proposals are only cute if both people want them, this is why I’m wary of public proposals as they can be very manipulative.
Wow. Story 1 didn't go where I kinda expected it to. I witnessed something similar happen IRL once, a female friend of mine got proposed to by her male best friend in public (asshole thing to do unless you already know this is what your partner wants), and she had to reject him right there in public. Humiliating for them both. The difference compared to this story, though, was that I know that my friend had led this guy on. She knew he was in love with her but she didn't set things straight with him because loved the attention, validation and gifts he gave her, and I know she even slept with him a few times when drunk too. They were always hanging out and essentially acting like a couple, so I get why he would propose and then get really angry when she rejected him and pretended like it was all out of the blue and that she hadn't led him on at all. Because she had. A lot. This story though, wow. That guy is literally insane. He refused to answer her when she asked why he thought they were in a relationship, because he had nothing.
Yeah no, I've got a different read on story 1 from everyone else. Relationship is ambiguous as fuck even with her perspective bias. Male and female "living together" (her words), constantly spending time together, hanging out on weekends (could be construed as a date depending on the actual atmosphere between the two during such times that's never actually elaborated on), and even taking a trip cross country together to see each others home towns. Hell, even the outing they were on could have been mistaken for a date. She may not have led him on intentionally, but it's entirely possible she did so without ever realizing she was doing it. Dude is absolutely an idiot for not clarifying the relationship before hand but it's not completely unreasonable on his part to believe they were dating.
Nope. As an adult, the idea of assuming you're in a relationship because of proximity shouldn't even exist. At any given time, if he "thought" they might have been dating, he should have had a conversation. How on earth can you think you're ready to marry someone when you can't even have a conversation with them about dating?!? That's laughable.
@@a_noelles As I said, he's an idiot for not clarifying before trying to propose. I'm in no way supporting or defending his choice to do so. All I'm saying is it's not unreasonable to assume they're dating given how ambiguous the relationship was. Even if their relationship wasn't romantic, it was definitely intimate (not necessarily sexually), so it's completely understandable that he mistook what was going on between them. And all of that is based entirely on her perspective, and any person telling a story will always do so from a biased perspective.
@Baked-Potayto it is unreasonable to assume you're dating someone. Sorry, but it is. The inability to read the room, recognize that friendship exists, and hanging out does not equal a relationship, and the willingness to make that kind of assumption is honestly a dangerous combination. Add to it the way he responded in the aftermath and we, as observers, should recognize that this is not normal or healthy behavior and not take steps to try to explain it away.
@@a_noelles Her own words describe a situation more akin to a romantic relationship than a platonic friendship. I've never met anyone who spends that much time with another person without being in a relationship with them. Even when I shared an apartment with a couple buddies I didn't spend that much time with them. Also, it's completely normal behavior. Dude was heartbroken and said some dumb shit through text. He's not stalking her, he's not bashing her on social media or flaming her to all of their friends. He sent some texts, said he was going home, then left her alone. She's the one that decided to follow up on him by reaching out to his family despite him essentially cutting ties. That's weirder than him sending heart broken texts.
@@a_noelles Her own words describe a situation more akin to a romantic relationship than a platonic friendship. Who spends that much time with someone they're not dating? Hell, when I was sharing an apartment with a couple buddies I didn't even spend that much time with them. Even the outing they were on, with her asking him to jump in on the caricature, sounds like a damn date. 2 years they spent like that. And no, it's completely normal for someone heartbroken to send some dumb ass texts. Happens all the time. Dude didn't stalk her, he didn't bash her on social media or try to discredit her to all of their friends. He sent some dumb texts, said he was going home, then left her alone. He didn't continue to pressure her, he just left. She's the one that started reaching out to people and even followed up with his family. That's so much fucking weirder than the texts. Just leave the damn guy alone.
Lesson to learn. Simps are not good people. Hopefully he learned being a simp gets you nowhere. Focus on yourselves guys or end up weak. Not a chance she didn't know he was into her.
Lead on syndrome from the girl too. They LIVED together, they WENT OUT together, they even met eachother parents. These are all things that happen when you are dating. She lead him on.
@ItzPubby And yet they've never kissed, they've never went on a date, and they've never had sex. They've both been in relationships while they lived together and he couldn't give her an answer when she asked why he thought they were dating because he knew they weren't actually together, he just deluded himself into thinking they were.
Not really, op kept it normal, and dude here choose to be weird as heII with her on his own, Seriously I have friends the opposite gender and, didn't assume we are dating at any point, so no op isn't at fault for anything here.
I'm even thinking something cultural, like he's from a conservative/ religious family and their interactions could be read as a "relationship" on such background. I remember another TH-camr talking about Middle Easterner boyfriends that assume any superficial relationship with a woman is already a form of consented courtship.
@@cyn1clcynide Are we really gonna believe her story of not knowing the guy liked her. He sounds like the typical blue pilled nice guy that gives her free attention and validation. Basically he was an inexperienced simp that she strung along.
So.. a guy got the courage to propose to the girl he liked, instead she laughed and laughed hard at him. this shattered him, if he didn't have manic issues, she certainly caused it. Yes was he was saying was bad and very bad. However, it's not a excuse for what she did. She destroyed him and even forced him to leave his school.
Story 1, well you are the AH and NTA at the same time. He shouldn't have proposed but at the same time you shamed him by laughing at him in front of everyone. You have the right not to want to be in a romantic relationship with him but at the same time he has a right not to want you in his life. Also, we are only getting one side of this story. If he was paying for things and you always wanting to be with him sends mixed messages. We don't have his side of the story so we don't know if OP actually used him as an emotional back up
If you think your friend is joking, you laugh. She had no reason to think he was serious. Even while they lived together, they had been in their own relationships, they had never gone on a date together, they never kissed, they had never slept together, and never even did anything explicitly romantic. She thought he was joking. He jumped the gun way too damn early and proposed even though they weren't dating and couldn't even tell her when they started dating when she asked. He was just crazy, plain and simple.
Why would you publicly propose to someone you've never even went to a date with? That's just crazy and delusional. Not to mention pulling that in public is just another tactic of putting pressure on the other person to say yes. What are people like this thinking ????
Here's the thing. Clearly Jordan was under the impression that they had in fact been on _many_ dates and that this mutual visit to each other's hometowns was them taking their "relationship" to the "next level".
Literally every rom-com ever was telling Jordan that this was true love.
And yes, I know that makes no sense. Neither do the rom-coms.
From now until the end of time, if a heterosexual guy has a friendship with a woman such that she'd describe him as "her #1", there's a near 100% chance that it's all because he wants to fuck her.
Pleas note that OP specifically states that she has a history of guys thinking she's into them when she actually isn't. Her dialling it down to "normal" just puts her in the same boat with all the "normal" women who _still_ have to contend with this bullshit.
Just to be clear though, this guy's misapprehension about this relationship in particular is on him for not directly communicating. His likely misapprehension about relationships in general _may_ not be.
I wonder if he came from a very religious background where the dating process would be more chaste? Growing up in a religious school I knew people who weren't even allowed to hold hands before marriage. It's thee only thing I can figure
He "friendzoned" himself and made up a whole relationship in his head.
This is some erotomania syndrome. He can become a danger to her.
If he's not completely unhinged then he went full nice guy
that is the same thing
@@monky7628 🤣so are nice guys incels cause they use the same rhetoric
@@mztweety1374sadly most tend to be lol
Story 1: In Soviet Russia, Nuke Dodges You.
Story 1: proposing in public, especially to someone you don’t know is into you, is SUPER manipulative. Proposing in public is basically bullying that person into saying yes so the person proposing isn’t embarrassed and that’s manipulative AF. Whether you have been in a relationship or whatever that first story was. This is one reason I would rather have a private proposal. Aside from wanting an intimate moment with my partner, if I had reservations I wouldn’t want to embarrass them in public.
Is it manipulative? Perhaps. But it is also very culture to have a very public proposal. She was in her right to reject him, and most people really shouldn't fall to peer pressure(like this culture of public proposals for better results). The way she rejected him gives me "The worst she can say is no." vibes.
It sucks to sucks because I will laugh and say no in a hot minute... don't pull that crap on me
I agree with the top comment here, a public proposal can be a bit manipulative. It's fine if it's planned, discussed before hand etc. But it is NOT conducive to being a surprise proposal at the same time. It's public, or it's a surprise, not both. And for many women, it's neither. Read the room.
I can sympathize with the guy a tiny little bit... I haven't always read the signals properly myself. Never to this insane extent, this was nuts, but I still, in my 40s, can't get a good read on a lot of women. People tell me the girl who won't even talk to me has a "crush" on me (40s is a bit old to use the term "crush", but whatever). The girl who runs her fingers through my chest hair apparently has no interest in me... The one who laughed at my joke likes me, or so I'm told... that one hurt. That was a good joke and people tell me she was faking it just because I have a sweet ass, as if the two are mutually exclusive.
The signals some women send are confusing, I understand now why I've never seen a woman on an airport runway taxiing aircraft, it would be a fucking catastrophe, lol.
These days, when I ask a woman out on a date, I actually say the word "Date". Not "You wanna hang out?" or something ambiguous like that. I'll say "I would like to take you on a date." Sure, I sound like a big 'ol dork, but at least then I know we're actually on the same page. Better to be the dork on a date than the cool guy who has no fucking clue what is happening, lol.
But this guy went too far. Either he was having a mental break or there's some odd cultural thing at play. That he would think they were in a relationship with no sex, not even a kiss... that kinda screams religious nut-cake. There's no telling what his cult is into. Be it mental illness or indoctrination, his brain isn't firing on all cylinders.
My proposal to my wife was in public, but it was also private. In fact, we were on a public walking bridge, but it was at night, and it was only my now wife and I.
I think it can be fine if you know the person both wants to marry you and wants it in a public area. I dated a girl that mentioned multiple times that she wanted to be purposed to in a crowd. Otherwise it's a manipulation tactic to apply pressure to a person to say yes. I don't understand the point because they could just retract that yes as soon as you're in private. I've heard of that happening a few times.
Even if I was dumb enough to to skip dating and go straight to marriage, I’d definitely wouldn’t have expected laughter,maybe an awkward silence or maybe a rushed no, but to find it funny probably would never have crossed my mind,I would of took some emotional damage for sure.
You are psychotic if you don’t think someone would kinda laugh uncomfortably when completely unprompted, they got proposed to.
What makes you incapable of being made fun of?
Story 1 - the level of creepy is high with that guy. I'd think it was a joke as well. Needs contact his parents.
How many times do we gotta tell yall. Public proposals are BAD ok. Its only cute when she/he has said she wants one. Public Proposals are manipulative as hell
Yeah just don't propose
Or cohabitate
Or to be honest even try nowadays
The government will only drain you by incentivising her to leave you
No ring
No house
No attention
No fucks given
Find your peace
Enjoy it 😊
Story #2 - Lots of inaccurate info in the comments.
"90% of Kidnappings are done by family members" - The actual number is 78% as of 2022 in the U.S. (this varies in other countries). 99.97% of those cases are resolved with the child returned alive (not necessarily unharmed though).
"Grandparent's Rights" - Most states don't have this, and the very few who do limit it to situations in which neither parent is a suitable custodian (death, extreme disability, incarceration, or abuse) and there is no appointed custodian for the child. This really isn't a big concern as long as OP has legally indicated her mother as a guardian in the event of their incapacitation. They wouldn't have grounds to fight. Reddit and especially Facebook have some unhinged ideas about what "Grandparent's rights" are. The way the characterize it is so detached from reality, it's basically like Sovereign Citizen level crazy.
The bigger concern that nobody mentioned is whether her sister could have been a danger to the child. This is actually a serious problem. She may not even want the kid, she may want to be a Mother first. She's treating the child as an object to be bartered, objectifying it. There are cases like this which are fueled primarily by envy, and they may hurt or even kill the child out of spite. It's not about the kid at all, it's about her sister having what she covets and taking that away from her.
But Sweden is a good call. A largely affluent country with a high median income, great education system, decent healthcare. If you're going to expatriate, the Scandinavian countries are an amazing option. English is spoken commonly, so there's not a huge language barrier while adjusting, you can pick up the language as you go at a pretty calm pace. And that her husband is from there and can keep his job will make things go smoothly. And they have some of the best mental health facilities in the world incase any family comes to visit, lol. Kind of a best case scenario in this story.
If you going to propose to someone, don’t do it in front of a crowd.
Story 1, Nta and honestly to people in the comment section, saying op "lead him on" get a grip and come back to reality,
she told him to his face many times, he was her friend to her and she herself is in a relationship, seriously he is beyond old enough to know op showed 0% romantic feelings for him,
Bruh even i have friendships with the opposite gender, and i have never acted like this towards them,
so this here is 100% on him nobody else.
P.s to anyone else before you say anything, even if he was a simp/nice guy, that's his personal skill issue that nobody else is at fault for, he was strictly told he was a friend for years and if he couldn't listen & grasped that,
that's his own fault and he needs to personal work on that.
He lives with her, they went to their home towns together, they met eachother family together. They go out on eating trips. alot of relationship start without either partner saying so. It happens. the problem is SHE LAUGHED IN HIS FACE. Yes, he went down a hole at the end and she dodged that, however she destroyed him and she defiantly lead him on.
@ItzPubby again though out the whole friendship she told him more then once he was a friend, not boyfriend but just a friend not to mention again she has been in multiple relationships while living with him, and he himself was in multiple relationships while living with op too, and it's not unheard of friends to go to each others hometowns or trips either, and since she saw him as nothing but a friend that's why she laughed at him because she thought her friend was making a joking,
so naw she wasn't leaning him on he was delusional plain and simple.
@@ItzPubbyI do that with friends. There was no kissing, cuddling or heavy petting. You can’t propose who never showed real attraction. Also lead on for him to ask her out (maybe) not propose
Story 1. In response to all the judging looks, I would have said, very loudly, WE'RE NOT EVEN DATING, WHAT THE HELL?
Proposing in public, especially to someone you don’t know is into you is very manipulative. Public proposals need to be discussed before hand, as public proposals can typically pressure the other person into saying yes. What I don’t understand is why OP’s best friend proposed to her without even ever going on a date with her. Why would someone do that??? OP’s best friend “friend zoned” himself, she never gave him any signs that she was romantically interested in him. She’s nta, she didn’t “lead him on” she told him multiple times that they were just friends. Public proposals are only cute if both people want them, this is why I’m wary of public proposals as they can be very manipulative.
Wow. Story 1 didn't go where I kinda expected it to. I witnessed something similar happen IRL once, a female friend of mine got proposed to by her male best friend in public (asshole thing to do unless you already know this is what your partner wants), and she had to reject him right there in public. Humiliating for them both. The difference compared to this story, though, was that I know that my friend had led this guy on. She knew he was in love with her but she didn't set things straight with him because loved the attention, validation and gifts he gave her, and I know she even slept with him a few times when drunk too. They were always hanging out and essentially acting like a couple, so I get why he would propose and then get really angry when she rejected him and pretended like it was all out of the blue and that she hadn't led him on at all. Because she had. A lot. This story though, wow. That guy is literally insane. He refused to answer her when she asked why he thought they were in a relationship, because he had nothing.
OP in story 1 is only TA if she led the dude on or was a BFF with benefits or something.
yeah, he was confused but laughing in a persons face is an asshole thing to do
I would round on the floor and laugh. Audacity is too much😂
Story 2 Op did not cause the drama. Kathy is a basket case. No wonder no one likes her, except Elliot. Kathy can kick rocks.
Yeah no, I've got a different read on story 1 from everyone else. Relationship is ambiguous as fuck even with her perspective bias.
Male and female "living together" (her words), constantly spending time together, hanging out on weekends (could be construed as a date depending on the actual atmosphere between the two during such times that's never actually elaborated on), and even taking a trip cross country together to see each others home towns. Hell, even the outing they were on could have been mistaken for a date. She may not have led him on intentionally, but it's entirely possible she did so without ever realizing she was doing it.
Dude is absolutely an idiot for not clarifying the relationship before hand but it's not completely unreasonable on his part to believe they were dating.
Nope. As an adult, the idea of assuming you're in a relationship because of proximity shouldn't even exist. At any given time, if he "thought" they might have been dating, he should have had a conversation. How on earth can you think you're ready to marry someone when you can't even have a conversation with them about dating?!?
That's laughable.
@@a_noelles As I said, he's an idiot for not clarifying before trying to propose. I'm in no way supporting or defending his choice to do so.
All I'm saying is it's not unreasonable to assume they're dating given how ambiguous the relationship was. Even if their relationship wasn't romantic, it was definitely intimate (not necessarily sexually), so it's completely understandable that he mistook what was going on between them.
And all of that is based entirely on her perspective, and any person telling a story will always do so from a biased perspective.
@Baked-Potayto it is unreasonable to assume you're dating someone. Sorry, but it is. The inability to read the room, recognize that friendship exists, and hanging out does not equal a relationship, and the willingness to make that kind of assumption is honestly a dangerous combination. Add to it the way he responded in the aftermath and we, as observers, should recognize that this is not normal or healthy behavior and not take steps to try to explain it away.
@@a_noelles Her own words describe a situation more akin to a romantic relationship than a platonic friendship. I've never met anyone who spends that much time with another person without being in a relationship with them. Even when I shared an apartment with a couple buddies I didn't spend that much time with them.
Also, it's completely normal behavior. Dude was heartbroken and said some dumb shit through text. He's not stalking her, he's not bashing her on social media or flaming her to all of their friends. He sent some texts, said he was going home, then left her alone. She's the one that decided to follow up on him by reaching out to his family despite him essentially cutting ties. That's weirder than him sending heart broken texts.
@@a_noelles Her own words describe a situation more akin to a romantic relationship than a platonic friendship. Who spends that much time with someone they're not dating? Hell, when I was sharing an apartment with a couple buddies I didn't even spend that much time with them. Even the outing they were on, with her asking him to jump in on the caricature, sounds like a damn date. 2 years they spent like that.
And no, it's completely normal for someone heartbroken to send some dumb ass texts. Happens all the time. Dude didn't stalk her, he didn't bash her on social media or try to discredit her to all of their friends. He sent some dumb texts, said he was going home, then left her alone. He didn't continue to pressure her, he just left. She's the one that started reaching out to people and even followed up with his family. That's so much fucking weirder than the texts. Just leave the damn guy alone.
Lesson to learn. Simps are not good people. Hopefully he learned being a simp gets you nowhere. Focus on yourselves guys or end up weak. Not a chance she didn't know he was into her.
Or maybe maybe, she didn’t know
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Story 1: people here are on op's side so if you even thought of feeling a bit bad for the dude then people here would bully you
Story 1:Nice guy syndrome…
Story 2: why do people on Reddit think everything that’s posts is a aita post?
Lead on syndrome from the girl too. They LIVED together, they WENT OUT together, they even met eachother parents. These are all things that happen when you are dating. She lead him on.
@ItzPubby And yet they've never kissed, they've never went on a date, and they've never had sex. They've both been in relationships while they lived together and he couldn't give her an answer when she asked why he thought they were dating because he knew they weren't actually together, he just deluded himself into thinking they were.
Story 1: Why did you laugh? That was really uncalled for. Plus, I didn't hear specific details, Story 1 should've been the entire video.
Story 1 that guy is super out of touch with reality but this girl kept him around in the friend zone is also wrong.
She didn't keep him in the friendzone, they were literally just friends. He never made an advance.
There was absolutely no romantic overture from the friend previously. The OP's not a mind reader to know how the other person is thinking
Not really, op kept it normal, and dude here choose to be weird as heII with her on his own,
Seriously I have friends the opposite gender and, didn't assume we are dating at any point, so no op isn't at fault for anything here.
I'm even thinking something cultural, like he's from a conservative/ religious family and their interactions could be read as a "relationship" on such background. I remember another TH-camr talking about Middle Easterner boyfriends that assume any superficial relationship with a woman is already a form of consented courtship.
@@cyn1clcynide Are we really gonna believe her story of not knowing the guy liked her. He sounds like the typical blue pilled nice guy that gives her free attention and validation. Basically he was an inexperienced simp that she strung along.
So.. a guy got the courage to propose to the girl he liked, instead she laughed and laughed hard at him. this shattered him, if he didn't have manic issues, she certainly caused it. Yes was he was saying was bad and very bad. However, it's not a excuse for what she did. She destroyed him and even forced him to leave his school.
...they never even dated.
Dude, they had never even expressed anything romatintic up to that point, and yet he springs public marriage proposal on her. Dude was unhinged.
Ah yes propose before you date technique. a classic. your right women was a heart stomper she should have understood immediately what it was.
@@JC-sy6xgExactly! This is emotional RAPE!
Story 1, well you are the AH and NTA at the same time. He shouldn't have proposed but at the same time you shamed him by laughing at him in front of everyone. You have the right not to want to be in a romantic relationship with him but at the same time he has a right not to want you in his life. Also, we are only getting one side of this story. If he was paying for things and you always wanting to be with him sends mixed messages. We don't have his side of the story so we don't know if OP actually used him as an emotional back up
If you think your friend is joking, you laugh. She had no reason to think he was serious. Even while they lived together, they had been in their own relationships, they had never gone on a date together, they never kissed, they had never slept together, and never even did anything explicitly romantic. She thought he was joking. He jumped the gun way too damn early and proposed even though they weren't dating and couldn't even tell her when they started dating when she asked. He was just crazy, plain and simple.