Maybe it works if you can beach start it with a wing in your arms.. i am writing this literally as driving home from a completey failed session on 1350 with a 5.5m wing at ~9knots. If you are an intermediate level winger - do not underestimate how good is this guy to make it work…
Is it your first go? May just take practice, don't be discouraged. With a +15-20L board and a 6-+m wing, a water start may work.. I can pump up my Axis 1150/460 (1700cm2 and 7.7AR) in sub 10's with a 6m Aluula wing. Im 74kg's on a 90L. Maybe pair a 7m? It can be frustrating at first but worth it 🤙
@@BrettWae I am not saying it is not possible, the guy in the video proves it is! My level: I dockstart foil and pump for 1min20secs, ride kites, wings, windsurf boards, can do 19/20 gybes with foot change winging/kiting, but I had no chance today with that 5.5m wing in 4.5m/s. Not even close. Maybe my wing is too small? I just think youtube is full of such videos “buy this foil and you don’t need wind any more”, which is only true for really pro-level people…
@@mindebrolis9582I've been out in really marginal conditions with a similar 130cm F4 foil. But used 8.0 North Light wind. Then it was no problem. To me, a 5.5 is certainly no light wind size. 87kg and similar level as you, except for the dock start.
I just took some lessons with Gwen this week. He definitely makes it look easier than it is! But he still had me foiling consistently to my natural side on my 2nd day. Need to work on my weak side…
Hi great videos lots of useful information I have been windsurfing for about 10 years. This year I want to give wing foil a go. I have bought some used equipment. Foil low aspect:- “Gong” Mast length 80cm Front wing XL Wingspan 90cm x 2100 cm² Stab Wingspan: 45 cm X 400 cm² Wing:- “Gong” 5m² I am a little bit undecided about which board to buy? (I am 73kg) I have narrowed it down to two boards. The first is an Inflatable board which I like for traveling being so compact Length: 5’11 = 180.3cm Width: 30″ = 76.2cm Thickness: 5″ = 12.7cm Volume: 135 liters The second is a Hard Board Length: 5’7 = 170,2 cm Width: 31″ = 78,7 cm Thickness: 5″ = 12,7 cm Volume: 120 liters What I would like to know does it makes that much difference to the learning curve inflatable vs Hard Board? From what I have learned from your channel the Big Foil and Wing should be ok?? Thanks
I've been using the 1350 for a four months now winging in 10 to 15mph. It's given me 30 extra days on the water this season when I would have been waiting for more wind. So sweet I can use my 5 meter with the KT Dragonfly 105. The 1350 turns really well by heading up wind to bleed off some speed to carve a tight turn. It has spoiled me with its low take off speed. I had the 1150 and 950 leviathan and I was not impressed with the performance my 999 medusa is more fun. Just takes a small swell and no need for the wing. Easy 360's and backwinding also.
I have demoed the 1350 for windfoiling not winging yet and I was impressed with the result now I wonder if I should go 1350 or 1550 I'm 90 kg thanks for this video
I think the 1350 is the better for light wind winging and has plenty of lift for your weight. The 1550 is gonna harder to roll side to side so it’s more designed for flat water pumping and straight lines really. It will work for light wind winging, but the 1350 is the king in this category in my opinion. Check out our new shop for all you gear needs 🙏🙌 wingfoilprocenter.com/collections/gear-of-the-month/products/sabfoil-front-wing-leviathan
@@irf888 i have both, real easy starts on the 820 at 75kg. Could easily size down 880 light wind and 780 for mid/high. 603k fuselage is tricky but man does it turn easily.
@@scp8412 thanks SCP. I tested 980/399/713 setup and I’m circa 83kg dry. It’s low end was fine, carving and tacking are great and swell riding was beautiful. The but is I couldn’t push it past 27.1 Kmh that session. Then compared to my axis 999 and then straight after my north Ha1050 and both I could speeds of 33 Kmh that day. However the 980 has a much nicer surfy rail to rail feeling on the swell face. The wind was full of holes that day with periods of waiting for gusts. I’ll wait for a better wind day to test again. I just need it to accelerate and be faster than that first test.
We had just watched a video showing dancing lemurs in Madagascar before this and my wife couldn't help bursting into laughter, and this turned into the funniest video we ever watched together.
Hey Damien, Great video mate ! Can you please tell me if you think this L 1350 SAB Foil will work with an 85 L Wing Foil board ? Im a Kite foiler for 7 years and now also wing foiling and want a super light wind SAB foil. I currently wing with the SAB 945 and 375 Stabaliser. Thx ~ Paul
Yes the 1350 will work great: wingfoilprocenter.com/products/sabfoil-front-wing-leviathan?_pos=2&_psq=leviathan+1350&_ss=e&_v=1.0&variant=45086703911216 That's the full foil setup we like for light wind: wingfoilprocenter.com/products/sabfoil-1350-leviathan-kit-for-pumping-and-light-wind-winging?_pos=1&_psq=leviathan+1350&_ss=e&_v=1.0
Bonjour Damian Thanks for the information. Love it! Is the shop up and running? And also where are toy flying here? Nice flat water to learn. Thank. Yohan
Hi. What a masterful demonstration, awesome video. But didn't Axis just release data on the new 1201 wing where a guy pumped it for over 3 hours, so isn't that better than 45 minutes? Unless I've missed something in the detail. Regards.
Prone foiled it for over 3 hours. So he could „rest“ whilst riding waves. The kid in Italy pumped non-stop for 45mins. The 1201 has way less area and volume. So it requires much more energy when pumping it.
@@DamienLeroyTH-cam , je plaisante. Tu crées un vent vitesse qui te permet de continuer. C'était juste pour la blague. Si un jour tu descends plus bas que la Bretagne, préviens 😉. Je navigue autour de Toulouse et au pays basque.
May I ask how many KGs you are and how tall are you? I am asking so to use it as a reference. In other words, if I want to have the same stability you are talking about in this video, then what foil/board/wing combination is ideal for me? (I am 179cm and 87 kg).
Great!! But once fallen into he water, it's swimming back!? For all who don't get the beach start done: is a long downwind board with a huge HA Frontwing a light wind solution? Damien: will you test that for the "normal wingfoilers" who might be 80 % of your wingfoil-followers 😀? Thanks!
Yes! A long but narrow downwind board is THE lightwind weapon. You can get going on smaller foils which means you can go faster than with the big liftier ones. I ran the ARTPro 1201 with an 8ft Downwind board in 8-10kts this weekend and had a blast.
Yes, we are going to test the SabFoil 1350 Leviathan with the new KT dragonfly downwind board. That should be a killer set up for light wind. This was a review of the foil only, not recommending this board for light wind obviously 😅
Haven’t tried the 1150 yet, but it seems like the 1350 is the king when it comes to flat water pumping. Will try to test the 1150 if we get a chance and report back 😁
You are basically beachstart pumpfoiling. Looks you are pushing the wing out for a stroll. Otherwise great video, the Leviathan is awesome. Just make a video where it’s clear the wind is doing something
Since this review is about the foil and this foil is a pumping foil first (before a winging foil), we thought it would be a unique way to show it in action
A more realistic light wind kit for an average winger is a modern downwind board, an eight meter wing and an 1800+ cm2 wing, will go fine in Florida 6-10 knots, and if/when you fall , you don’t have to swim back in.
100%! Thank you for sharing! This video was to review the foil only, we definitely don’t recommend an 18L board and 4m wing for light wind 😅 The 1350 Leviathan is 1870 cm2 👌
Maybe it works if you can beach start it with a wing in your arms.. i am writing this literally as driving home from a completey failed session on 1350 with a 5.5m wing at ~9knots. If you are an intermediate level winger - do not underestimate how good is this guy to make it work…
Plus it depends on the weight of the rider
You are right
Is it your first go? May just take practice, don't be discouraged. With a +15-20L board and a 6-+m wing, a water start may work.. I can pump up my Axis 1150/460 (1700cm2 and 7.7AR) in sub 10's with a 6m Aluula wing. Im 74kg's on a 90L. Maybe pair a 7m? It can be frustrating at first but worth it 🤙
@@BrettWae I am not saying it is not possible, the guy in the video proves it is! My level: I dockstart foil and pump for 1min20secs, ride kites, wings, windsurf boards, can do 19/20 gybes with foot change winging/kiting, but I had no chance today with that 5.5m wing in 4.5m/s. Not even close. Maybe my wing is too small? I just think youtube is full of such videos “buy this foil and you don’t need wind any more”, which is only true for really pro-level people…
@@mindebrolis9582I've been out in really marginal conditions with a similar 130cm F4 foil. But used 8.0 North Light wind. Then it was no problem.
To me, a 5.5 is certainly no light wind size.
87kg and similar level as you, except for the dock start.
If people only knew how hard this really is
I just took some lessons with Gwen this week. He definitely makes it look easier than it is! But he still had me foiling consistently to my natural side on my 2nd day. Need to work on my weak side…
Those beach starts are soooooo clean. Love it.
1350 is king for mega light winds but 950 is a shredder when it's at least 9kn - Tucker
Hi great videos lots of useful information I have been windsurfing for about 10 years. This year I want to give wing foil a go. I have bought some used equipment.
Foil low aspect:-
“Gong”
Mast length 80cm
Front wing XL Wingspan 90cm x 2100 cm²
Stab Wingspan: 45 cm X 400 cm²
Wing:-
“Gong”
5m²
I am a little bit undecided about which board to buy? (I am 73kg) I have narrowed it down to two boards.
The first is an Inflatable board which I like for traveling being so compact
Length: 5’11 = 180.3cm
Width: 30″ = 76.2cm
Thickness: 5″ = 12.7cm
Volume: 135 liters
The second is a Hard Board
Length: 5’7 = 170,2 cm
Width: 31″ = 78,7 cm
Thickness: 5″ = 12,7 cm
Volume: 120 liters
What I would like to know does it makes that much difference to the learning curve inflatable vs Hard Board? From what I have learned from your channel the Big Foil and Wing should be ok??
Thanks
tried and tested: use a 1750 and an 8m2 wing - will work also for the less perfect rider in 6-8 knots of breeze
I've been using the 1350 for a four months now winging in 10 to 15mph. It's given me 30 extra days on the water this season when I would have been waiting for more wind. So sweet I can use my 5 meter with the KT Dragonfly 105. The 1350 turns really well by heading up wind to bleed off some speed to carve a tight turn. It has spoiled me with its low take off speed. I had the 1150 and 950 leviathan and I was not impressed with the performance my 999 medusa is more fun. Just takes a small swell and no need for the wing. Easy 360's and backwinding also.
For light winds, is it better big foil or big wing?
I guess has a wing more than 7m is not good...
Damien or someone else can answer?
Nice job, Kelly! That foil looks like a lot of fun
I’m 75kg, 7m fone cwc wing and 2200 cm foil was foiling and planing In 8 knots today.
I'm 105 kg with a 5.5 wing & 2200 foil and wondering if I'll ever get up.
I have demoed the 1350 for windfoiling not winging yet and I was impressed with the result now I wonder if I should go 1350 or 1550 I'm 90 kg thanks for this video
I think the 1350 is the better for light wind winging and has plenty of lift for your weight. The 1550 is gonna harder to roll side to side so it’s more designed for flat water pumping and straight lines really. It will work for light wind winging, but the 1350 is the king in this category in my opinion. Check out our new shop for all you gear needs 🙏🙌 wingfoilprocenter.com/collections/gear-of-the-month/products/sabfoil-front-wing-leviathan
@@DamienLeroyTH-cam T
👌 pumped to see sabfoil on this Chanel!
you guys need to try the razor 820!!
Yes review of the razor 820 coming soon! 👊😁
@@DamienLeroyTH-cam and the 980 Razor please? I have a demo one and trying to decide on it, I need an independent 2nd thought. Regards.
@@irf888 i have both, real easy starts on the 820 at 75kg. Could easily size down 880 light wind and 780 for mid/high.
603k fuselage is tricky but man does it turn easily.
@@scp8412 thanks SCP. I tested 980/399/713 setup and I’m circa 83kg dry. It’s low end was fine, carving and tacking are great and swell riding was beautiful. The but is I couldn’t push it past 27.1 Kmh that session. Then compared to my axis 999 and then straight after my north Ha1050 and both I could speeds of 33 Kmh that day. However the 980 has a much nicer surfy rail to rail feeling on the swell face. The wind was full of holes that day with periods of waiting for gusts. I’ll wait for a better wind day to test again. I just need it to accelerate and be faster than that first test.
@@irf888 good to hear. Stall speed is quite impressive on all those razor wings, hows the ha1050 and art999 comparatively?
We had just watched a video showing dancing lemurs in Madagascar before this and my wife couldn't help bursting into laughter, and this turned into the funniest video we ever watched together.
Nice beach start have never seen that before
Hey Damien, Great video mate ! Can you please tell me if you think this L 1350 SAB Foil will work with an 85 L Wing Foil board ? Im a Kite foiler for 7 years and now also wing foiling and want a super light wind SAB foil. I currently wing with the SAB 945 and 375 Stabaliser. Thx ~ Paul
Yes the 1350 will work great: wingfoilprocenter.com/products/sabfoil-front-wing-leviathan?_pos=2&_psq=leviathan+1350&_ss=e&_v=1.0&variant=45086703911216
That's the full foil setup we like for light wind: wingfoilprocenter.com/products/sabfoil-1350-leviathan-kit-for-pumping-and-light-wind-winging?_pos=1&_psq=leviathan+1350&_ss=e&_v=1.0
Bonjour Damian
Thanks for the information. Love it! Is the shop up and running? And also where are toy flying here? Nice flat water to learn. Thank. Yohan
Hi. What a masterful demonstration, awesome video. But didn't Axis just release data on the new 1201 wing where a guy pumped it for over 3 hours, so isn't that better than 45 minutes? Unless I've missed something in the detail. Regards.
Prone foiled it for over 3 hours. So he could „rest“ whilst riding waves. The kid in Italy pumped non-stop for 45mins.
The 1201 has way less area and volume. So it requires much more energy when pumping it.
@@stkl23 oh thanks for the explanation. Got it! Cheers.
3 hours proning is ridiculous
En fait, ta Wing, elle est là pour la déco 😂😂😂😂
Sans la wing ca serait impossible de parler et pomper pendant aussi longtemps, donc elle aide un peu quand même 😅
@@DamienLeroyTH-cam , je plaisante. Tu crées un vent vitesse qui te permet de continuer. C'était juste pour la blague. Si un jour tu descends plus bas que la Bretagne, préviens 😉. Je navigue autour de Toulouse et au pays basque.
May I ask how many KGs you are and how tall are you?
I am asking so to use it as a reference.
In other words, if I want to have the same stability you are talking about in this video, then what foil/board/wing combination is ideal for me? (I am 179cm and 87 kg).
Gwen is 175cm tall and weighs 73kg
Great!! But once fallen into he water, it's swimming back!? For all who don't get the beach start done: is a long downwind board with a huge HA Frontwing a light wind solution? Damien: will you test that for the "normal wingfoilers" who might be 80 % of your wingfoil-followers 😀? Thanks!
Yes! A long but narrow downwind board is THE lightwind weapon. You can get going on smaller foils which means you can go faster than with the big liftier ones. I ran the ARTPro 1201 with an 8ft Downwind board in 8-10kts this weekend and had a blast.
Yes, we are going to test the SabFoil 1350 Leviathan with the new KT dragonfly downwind board. That should be a killer set up for light wind. This was a review of the foil only, not recommending this board for light wind obviously 😅
@@DamienLeroyTH-cam What about the 1150 for lighter riders? Ok to start with for Dock starts if have foiling experience? 65kg so smaller rider
Nice demonstration! Did you also try the Leviathan 1150? Beach/Dockstart or Winging?
Haven’t tried the 1150 yet, but I’m sure it’s amazing!
That beach start is about as hard as it gets..
could you get up on it from taxi in below 10kt?
what's the point? Such a beachstart requires tons of skill. I will kite on any foil in 6kt, with no effort at all.
Nice location. What part of Florida is this? I don't recognize the causeway overpass.
This is at Stuart Causeway
The moment I saw this board I knew it was impossible to waterstart. The foil looks like an Airbus A 380😂😅😊!!! I think I'll need a floater.😢
How do you recover if you fall into the water?
good one 👀
You have to swim in if you fall, so better stay close or don’t fall! 😅
He literally said “If I fall, I’m screwed”.
Would love to see a comparison of this sort of mega-foil with the Horus Libel biplane foil
If we can get our hands on one, we would love to test it!
The world record foil pumping is owned by ERNESTO DE AMICIS.... 45'42"....
what do you think: would this work with a 93 mast? and a 430 stab?
93cm mast is not ideal in light wind, a lot more drag than a short mast. But it will work, just not as good
What is the difference between a regular sab W1350 and a leviathan series 1350?
I'm pretty sure the only 1350 from SabFoil is the 1350 Leviathan, so I guess they are the same, there is only one SabFoil 1350
What is your weight?
160 lbs
Could you do the same with the Leviathan 1150 ? How much longer can you pump the 1350 to the 1150?
Haven’t tried the 1150 yet, but it seems like the 1350 is the king when it comes to flat water pumping. Will try to test the 1150 if we get a chance and report back 😁
Thanks million do you think you can foil small wakes with the 1350?
For sure!
Which fuse are you using?
We used the 703K in this video
Would the 663 work as well for this shown style of winging?
For sure!
@@DamienLeroyTH-cam whant to to the same stuff with the same gear, can‘t decide between the 703 or 665🤯😂 … main focus is definitely pumping.
I would say the 663 is better for pumping, the 703 better for winging, but they both work for everything so either way you will have fun
Nice Ride! Stay dry my friend ;)
Haha, thank you!
You should have gone out on a 5.0 or bigger and not pump at all. That would really sell the foil.
You are basically beachstart pumpfoiling. Looks you are pushing the wing out for a stroll. Otherwise great video, the Leviathan is awesome. Just make a video where it’s clear the wind is doing something
Since this review is about the foil and this foil is a pumping foil first (before a winging foil), we thought it would be a unique way to show it in action
@@DamienLeroyTH-cam it is entertaining and you guys are great. No dissing, just want to see more of it 😎
Very nice! 🙌🔥🔥🔥
No shipping to Canada?
We now ship to Canada so you can place your order with us! wingfoilprocenter.com
A more realistic light wind kit for an average winger is a modern downwind board, an eight meter wing and an 1800+ cm2 wing, will go fine in Florida 6-10 knots, and if/when you fall , you don’t have to swim back in.
100%! Thank you for sharing! This video was to review the foil only, we definitely don’t recommend an 18L board and 4m wing for light wind 😅
The 1350 Leviathan is 1870 cm2 👌
Wow
You re not wingfoiling using the wind, you re foilpumping....🙅