Not much to wonder about! It’s super clear from Lois closing that closet with the quickness! I cringed with Jon lol It felt like such genuine reactions from the lot that I wonder if it has happened to PKJ! Although, the artist did choose the perfect facial expressions and body language for that scene so it could have been something that happened to them. Edit. No pun intended
5:08 that sounds so petty, Clark: “sorry everyone, don’t expect any help, Hal Jordan won’t admit I’m the worlds best hero, so no saving for anyone” lol
There seemed to be a trend towards de-powering heroes at DC in the early '70s: The Guardians cut down Hal's ring power, Superman lost half his strength to the "Sand Superman", a villain fed Supergirl a pill that caused her powers to cut out randomly, and (most famously) Wonder Woman lost her powers entirely and became a plainclothes adventurer. I imagine it was a deliberate response to the success of Marvel and their "more relatable" heroes. Didn't last long, though.
I don't know if it was a trend at DC in general - more just a thing Denny O'Neil liked to do: O'Neil was behind the depowerings of Green Lantern, Superman, AND Wonder Woman.
@@ravenwilder4099 Fair point. He liked to knock down the guys at the top of the hierarchy, while hyping up the "street level" types like Batman and Green Arrow. I remember reading an interview with O'Neil where he summed it up as "I was a hippie who had a problem with authority figures".
For me, the most cursed Superman panel ever is the "iconic" moment from the "Superman/Batman" series in which Clark introduces Kara to Bruce. For those who don't know, the one-page panel consists of Clark proudly saying "She's my cousin," while Kara (imitating the iconic promotional photos of Lois Lane's actresses Margot Kidder, Teri Hatcher and Erica Durance) happily uses Superman's cape to cover her naked body. I think it's pretty obvious to say that, out of context, that panel feels CURSED AF
I've seen that panel; it is cringe-inducing. She's holding the cape in a way maximizes the amount of skin shown to the reader rather than holding it how a girl normally would to cover herself. I have no problem with a comic with that sort of art existing, but it shouldn't be in a Superman comic book. These are supposed to be safe for kids to read.
@@KasumiKenshirouHuh? All Superman comics should be safe for kids? There's been plenty of more mature comics for characters that usually appeal to children. For example, Spiderman had a comic where he gave Mary Jane cancer due to his radioactive semen.
I find it really funny that Superman apparently had the reputation of being “broody” when nowadays people know him as the only non broody dc hero. (In theory anyway, not so much depending on the run)
As for cursed panels, there was that time in the Jay Faerber run on the TItans where Jesse Quick tells Nightwing that when he told her that the Titans are like a family she didn't expect them to be incesteous. This is the same Jesse Quick that, under the same writer, would later sleep with her mother's fiance. Or maybe that time the Martian Manhunter disguised himself as a Japanese woman and went by the name Hino Rei, and Batman told him the name was too on the nose.
@@KasumiKenshirouI don't know about Martian Manhunter, but for Batman it's likely just him keeping up with all information as much as he can, including anime and manga.
I would have be less weird if they fist fought, the spanking thing makes it seem like Clark is an infant but still drawn as a grown man, saying "daddy" rather than "father" small things like that makes me wonder what the writers were thinking haha.
I actually love when the writers don't get the same impression as their readers do from what they write about. Like Wonder Woman's creator saw the whole bondage thing as completely normal and just injected it into his stories. These guys probably weren't thinking that on the internet a couple of decades later people would take this cover out of context. Also if they fist fought then that would seem more like "Superman vs Jor-El" rather than "Jor-El punishes superman".
You'll never be able to make a video on my favourite cursed panel. It's from green arrow sorry, probably from adventure comics. It have Ollie in a shed with his arm round a teenage boy, and speedy in the the for ground thinking "sob, it looks like green arrow is grooming someone to replace me."
Jerry Seinfeld once claimed to have invented the concept of Superman and Green Lantern not getting along. This comic's existence clearly disproves his claims. Seinfeld posted on Twitter that some movie (I think it was Lego Batman but it could've been something else) had gotten the idea for the two superheroes disagreeing from his series of 1990s credit card commercials where he interacted with an animated Superman. Seinfeld at this time had also recently started his internet show where he interviews people in cars, an idea which had already been done by Robert Llewellyn (Kryten from Red Dwarf).
Yeah, the context makes sense. It's still funny though, especially when I hear "Daddy" in a Tom Green voice. As for other cursed panels, the "Captain America eats his shield" has to be up there
I wanna see this dynamic return in tandem with the modern Bruce/Hal/Barry dynamic. Imagine Clark and Bruce having good rapport and friendship, but Clark absolutely hating one of Bruce's other friends, and the friend that Clark and Bruce both get along with (Barry) also is pals with Hal, the guy that Clark hates. It's actually a really good dynamic combo, I think. "My best friend Bruce, our good friend Barry, and the guy I fucking hate: Bruce and Barry's close friend Hal".
Ganthet: "This dispute shall be decided as it should be. In MORTAL KOMBAT!" Also, them needing to touch a purple dragon made me picture the two chasing after Spyro... or Spike from MLP. Superman: "The truth is, I'm not a baby! I AM A MAN!"
In World's Finest #289, Superman and Batman cry over the deaths of alien bioprobes that feed off their emotions and communicate through sex. That deserves a cursed story dissection, "The Kryll Way of Dying."
I would so start referring to Superman as the *_"Grand Daddy of Greatness"_* instead of the "Man of Steel" from now on but no one, outside of this group, would know what the hell I'm talking bout lol
I had never seen this panel before, but seeing the full one, it makes sense for the time it was written. I don't think "daddy" became kinky until the last couple of decades
I don't know if you've ever mentioned how the Green Lantern Corps is based on the classic sci-fi "Lensman" books, by E.E. Smith. His concept of a Galactic law enforcement patrol has also inspired the "Ultraman" ultra-warriors, the Jedi, and Klaatu and Gort from "the Day the Earth Stood Still."
The Lantern Corps for sure, and Ultraman's reasonable even if their upper ranks have gradually become less incomprehensible and all-powerful over time (at least in parts of the franchise). The Jedi lack the key feature of having godlike entities empowering them while also carefully leaving their proteges to do almost all the work for themselves. Klaatu/Gort is much more about dopey Earthlings' mistaken beliefs about which one of them is actually in charge and fears about machines taking over from organics - something the Arisians would have been terribly disappointed about. "No transistorized com-pu-tors for you, children. Calculate your own orbits with your brain and a slide rule or you'll get lazy and Boskone will eat you alive." Nice to see someone who knows their classic scifi, I might add. :)
I've seen the Lensman anime movie and a couple episodes of the TV anime. The author's estate did not like these Japanese cartoons and there have been no official releases since the VHS days. Back then (before the world wide web) I tried to get the books from the library but could not find them. I forgot all about this until you mentioned "Lensman". I should try to find them again...
Well... Alan Scott wasn't based on Lensman, the GLC was a sci-fi revamp of Alan Scott, so it's more coincidence that the GLC ended up looking like Lensman.
@@ramblingRJ And what year did Arisia and Eddore first appear? The answer is 1981, a good 22 years after Hal Jordan and the Guardians first appeared. So yeah, it's an homage, but it's got nothing to do with the creative development of the GLC.
Hal and Clark as rivals is an interesting idea. I don't like it as much as Hal and Bruce not being able to get along, but if this rivalry is more of a "difficulty working together" turned "friendly competition" thing based more around their powers than personalities I can get behind it. Way back, I read a comic where it turned out Hal and Clark have regular meet ups to fight on uninhabited planets and it always ends in a tie. That, along with some TAS episodes, got me thinking that the JLA is more interesting when each member is potentially capable of taking out each other member under the right circumstances. i've been watching some Superfriends episodes and there is one where they're trapped in another dimension (or time / black hole. I can't remember) and Superman and Green Lantern are like "Hey. Let's combine into one being and use our multiplied powers to escape". They do it. it works. There are no consequences. They can do it again at any time they want with no draw backs. They just don't.
The only part I don't like is the constant "Superman is much stronger than I am" Like Hal wouldn't say that and is so .... awkward and Depending on continuity not entirely true.
@NegaHumanX Same, I like the idea that all the Justice leaguers are equally OP, In their own fields. Superman Strength Wonder Woman combat Batman Intelligence/ Darkness Flash/ Speed Aquaman/ Elemental Energy Green Lantern/ Cosmic Enegry Martin Manhunter/ Telepathy Zatanna/ Magic.
@WannabeWryter Zatanna really needs to be an original 7 member. She'd bring in a whole different perspective and some non-punchy based mystic firepower to the team.
How interesting that Hal sees Kal as the "grand-daddy of greatness" while Kal sees himself as a baby deserving of punishment for being unkryptonian (a typical earthly punishment at that), and that Kal sees Hal as a cosmic vagabond with no morals, while Hal sees himself as almost an extension of the role of Lantern, barely an individual or a human anymore.
Your last cursed panel video had a panel pop up at 7:11 where it shows a shirtless Superman and Lex Luthor, Superman is chained up and looks... excited, while Lex is rubbing his thigh i dunno if that's a real panel but it's VERY cursed
"Show me the issue number!" is a gripe I've also picked up on and begun to hate. I came across a real stinker recently from the 90s during a cameo: "This is explained in Spidey's own mag!" Which one of around 5, and which issue?! I'm not combing through then-recent issues based off of the comic I'm currently reading's release date! I have better things to do with my reading time!
Issue references in editor's note are a lost art in general. Most comics for the last 30 years seem to have been written with the idea that the storylines would be collected in trade paperbacks.
@@VonWenk Yup. Really annoying. And how X-Men and Thor comics especially seem to be almost nothing but crossovers for years now: "As seen in War of the Realms!" Really? Which part? Because that had at least 4 titles take part in it!
Honestly superman being jealous of gl in this context makes sense. Hal will never, from Clark:s Pov, have to worry about approval or being worthy or living up to some unattainable expectations from a dead heritage. He's already been chosen, he's already proven himself worthy, and he can be sure to know exactly what the guardians think of him... Every time he screws up hehe
If you think that panel was cursed, you should watch the one from the "Generations" trilogy in which a centuries-old Superman kisses a 13-year-old Lana Lang. The worst thing here is that that panel is EVEN worse with the context 😅
For cursed panels... the one where Superman's eye keeps getting bigger, expanding out of his head. I have no idea where those panels were from besides it being an older comic. But omg I saw that as a child and it HORRIFIED me.
🤔 I bet this would have gotten a different reaction if it were Zeus spanking Diana …although William Moulton Marston would have loved it …Keep Up The Outstanding Work Sasha 🖖🏾
This was definitely not what I expected from that cursed panel. This story had interesting psychological undertones that elevated this story. This is a great and original series from you. Please continue making more.
The whole "rivalry and jealousy" reminds me of how much of the world was at war--or in Cold War struggles--from the 1940s through the 1980s... and how it seems like it's getting worse again.
For the reasons you talk about at the end, thats why I love when Batman has to work with Hal or Guy. Or to a lesser extent, Booster Gold. I like when the characters who don't get along have to work together
You said "Hal assumes that his fears have all been stamped out because he's now Green Lantern," but I think that's got it backwards. He was chosen by the ring because he had no fear... "born without fear" and all. Back in the 70's (I think) he became unemployable as a test pilot because this showed up in his psych evals, making him a bad insurance risk.
According to fandom DC Database, Julius Schwartz and E. Nelson Bridwell are the editors associated with World's Finest 201. I believe that the reference you highlighted would be to the famous Green Lantern/Green Arrow run, issues 76-89, by Denny O'Neil, Neal Adams and various inkers. Sits on the border between Silver Age and Bronze Age comics in style as well, just as you described. Could be argued those issues marked the transition between the eras. Didn't see that you've covered it on your channel.
Easier to draw the same character many times than a bajillion different ones? :) Kirby did invent Cadmus, after all. Never in all of history have we had a higher "Jimmy Olsens per page" count than his run on that book. It's enough to make me wonder if he was trying to draw Jimmy more times in his run than everyone else did in the other ~150+ issues.
I've been hoping you'd do a video on this one. It was worth the wait (so good)! I encountered the panel before the story, and yeah, it's hard to recontextualize it and not chortle a little. That said, it's pretty heavy for an early Bronze-Age story. It's amazing how many times Superman has saved the universe, and he still feels like he's dogging it. As for GL, the only thing Hal has to fear is Hal himself (Not quite accurate, but the saying amuses me). On the unhelpful editor's note: I was just reading Green Lantern #81 the other day and Hal says to Ollie, "And remember, the Guardians reduced my ring's power." Why? When? What issue? No note whatsoever! Only you can understand my sadness, lol!
This is a period of time with WF that I knew Nothing about!! Also this is a story I never expected. THIS is why the old "Hal/Barry" best friendship was important, at least someone liked him! Hahaha! Now I want to hear about that Superman/non-powered Wonder Woman story. Not that I'd think it would happen, but hearing Diana talking with Clark about going from his equal in power to powerless would be fascinating!
I remember first reading this story in one of the DC Blue Ribbon Digests back in the 80's. At the time, and having the context the panel didn't really seem so odd to me, a little sad actually as I think back on the first time I read it. Of course being probably 12 or 13 when I read it, and having the context of the story, I didn't really give it any thought as to how it might be seen otherwise. now, sure, out of context it could be seen in a variety of ways, but at the time...not so much.
i just realized superman’s ectoplasmic hallucinations of his dad mirror batman’s doubts about his dad and now i’m imagining that one btas scene but with batman being spanked
There are DEFINITELY easy ways to make Hal I-slip-on-a-bar-of-soap-and-the-ring -had-to-find-a-new-lantern I-ask-my-ex-to -cosing-a-lease-on-my-car Jordan 😂
Hal having tension with Batman or Ollie is kinda fun, but I've never been into the idea of Hal and Supes having issues. I prefer comics where they're depicted as friends. (although Grand -daddy of Greatness" makes it all worthwhile!)
"Hal is rarely okay." - Unfortunately, DC got it in its head that the way to make its characters more "realistic" was to heap failings and neuroses on them, and nobody got that worse than Hal. O'Neill decided to make him a vaguely conservative stooge who needed to be educated by Green Arrow; Marv Wolfman made him a whiner who prioritized his me-time over saving Abin Sur's planet; Steve Englehart made Hal a shiftless quitter who was willing to bang a teenage Arisia. Superman wasn't entirely spared this either. We don't remember it much these days, but there was a big push to make Superman feel like a stranger on earth, because thanks to Kryptonian technology he had memories of Kryptonian life. So they tried to amp up the drama sometimes with him being all whiny about how he doesn't belong. As far as this particular comic goes, there's no way that modern Clark and Hal would have gotten into this dumb contrived argument. It's frankly bad writing.
I always read "DC Comics Pesents" as a new teamup book for Superman with other heroes. It was really World's Finest? That blows my mind! It was always DC Comics Presents on the cover. How weird.
I got that issue from my mother around 1977. It was the first back issue bought from a comic book store that I had ever seen, bought either at Trade-a-Tape or The Time Machine in Lincoln, Nebraska.
Sasha please delve into another issue i found bizarre growing up brave and bold 78 where wonder woman and batgirl compete and fight for the love of batman that was a strange one 😊
That panel even in context makes me question the relationship Clark had with Pa Kent. "Get ready, boy! I have a hankering for some spankering!" Some time later... Jonathan Kent has to be treated for a broken hand. "This DID hurt me a lot more than it hurt you, son!" It's all there, I wonder why they backed down from making the connection.
"Emotionally ponderous" is such a great way to describe Bronze Age storytelling.
Also highly accurate: "Hal is rarely okay."
Hal: "Superman has a few advantages over me, like speed and strength."
Dr. Fate: "And he's not a klutz."
Every time you say "Touch the purple dragon" I just keep thinking of Green Lantern and Superman messing with Spyro the Dragon
If the purple dragon isn't named Spyro I want nothing to do with him.
Given Superman’s Warworld uniform he keeps in the closer, you have to wonder if this is part of his and Lois’ roleplay sessions.
Not much to wonder about! It’s super clear from Lois closing that closet with the quickness! I cringed with Jon lol It felt like such genuine reactions from the lot that I wonder if it has happened to PKJ! Although, the artist did choose the perfect facial expressions and body language for that scene so it could have been something that happened to them.
Edit. No pun intended
Hal's fear really feels like foreshadowing for Parallax. I know its not deliberate but I really like that
5:08 that sounds so petty, Clark: “sorry everyone, don’t expect any help, Hal Jordan won’t admit I’m the worlds best hero, so no saving for anyone” lol
Due to that bit of childish pettiness, Superman really did deserve that spanking.
The green gladiator versus the granddaddy of greatness to see who gets to touch the purple dragon, now that is a plot synopsis!
More cursed panels, please, they're blessings :p
Yes please. Batman and Robin next? (Many options there.)
There seemed to be a trend towards de-powering heroes at DC in the early '70s: The Guardians cut down Hal's ring power, Superman lost half his strength to the "Sand Superman", a villain fed Supergirl a pill that caused her powers to cut out randomly, and (most famously) Wonder Woman lost her powers entirely and became a plainclothes adventurer. I imagine it was a deliberate response to the success of Marvel and their "more relatable" heroes. Didn't last long, though.
And all through it, Ollie was still shooting people with boxing glove arrows pretty regularly. Relatable!
I don't know if it was a trend at DC in general - more just a thing Denny O'Neil liked to do: O'Neil was behind the depowerings of Green Lantern, Superman, AND Wonder Woman.
@@ravenwilder4099 Fair point. He liked to knock down the guys at the top of the hierarchy, while hyping up the "street level" types like Batman and Green Arrow. I remember reading an interview with O'Neil where he summed it up as "I was a hippie who had a problem with authority figures".
For me, the most cursed Superman panel ever is the "iconic" moment from the "Superman/Batman" series in which Clark introduces Kara to Bruce. For those who don't know, the one-page panel consists of Clark proudly saying "She's my cousin," while Kara (imitating the iconic promotional photos of Lois Lane's actresses Margot Kidder, Teri Hatcher and Erica Durance) happily uses Superman's cape to cover her naked body. I think it's pretty obvious to say that, out of context, that panel feels CURSED AF
All I have to say is, "We can't marry because we're cousins! Although cousins *can* marry in certain countries"
I've seen that panel; it is cringe-inducing. She's holding the cape in a way maximizes the amount of skin shown to the reader rather than holding it how a girl normally would to cover herself.
I have no problem with a comic with that sort of art existing, but it shouldn't be in a Superman comic book. These are supposed to be safe for kids to read.
Never forget that the one thing stopping Clark from doing that is that it would be illegal on Krypton.
@@KasumiKenshirou That's the number one way to make sure kids will never read it. Kids hate things targeted to kids.
@@KasumiKenshirouHuh? All Superman comics should be safe for kids? There's been plenty of more mature comics for characters that usually appeal to children. For example, Spiderman had a comic where he gave Mary Jane cancer due to his radioactive semen.
I find it really funny that Superman apparently had the reputation of being “broody” when nowadays people know him as the only non broody dc hero.
(In theory anyway, not so much depending on the run)
Being broody? Golden age superman was basically a moral injustice superman
Granddaddy of greatness should be Supermans rap name
As for cursed panels, there was that time in the Jay Faerber run on the TItans where Jesse Quick tells Nightwing that when he told her that the Titans are like a family she didn't expect them to be incesteous. This is the same Jesse Quick that, under the same writer, would later sleep with her mother's fiance.
Or maybe that time the Martian Manhunter disguised himself as a Japanese woman and went by the name Hino Rei, and Batman told him the name was too on the nose.
The MM one is flying above my head.
@@mehlessmidori602 It's Sailor Mars' real name, from the Sailor Moon franchise.
@@tomatooverlord2764 Sailor Moon doesn't seem like the kind of thing either of them would be interested in.
@@KasumiKenshirouI don't know about Martian Manhunter, but for Batman it's likely just him keeping up with all information as much as he can, including anime and manga.
@@daviddaniels4020is Batman a weeb?
From Atom's expression, HE needed to "touch the purple dragon."
I would have be less weird if they fist fought, the spanking thing makes it seem like Clark is an infant but still drawn as a grown man, saying "daddy" rather than "father" small things like that makes me wonder what the writers were thinking haha.
I actually love when the writers don't get the same impression as their readers do from what they write about. Like Wonder Woman's creator saw the whole bondage thing as completely normal and just injected it into his stories.
These guys probably weren't thinking that on the internet a couple of decades later people would take this cover out of context. Also if they fist fought then that would seem more like "Superman vs Jor-El" rather than "Jor-El punishes superman".
You'll never be able to make a video on my favourite cursed panel.
It's from green arrow sorry, probably from adventure comics.
It have Ollie in a shed with his arm round a teenage boy, and speedy in the the for ground thinking "sob, it looks like green arrow is grooming someone to replace me."
All I could think about is how many times has Lois shown up to work with a broken hand that she REALLY did not want to explain to anyone.
It makes you wonder how many Kryptonians/robots/Namor copies that try to marry her on her way to work each morning.
Lois Lane... the Daily Planet's answer to Betty Page?
Jerry Seinfeld once claimed to have invented the concept of Superman and Green Lantern not getting along. This comic's existence clearly disproves his claims.
Seinfeld posted on Twitter that some movie (I think it was Lego Batman but it could've been something else) had gotten the idea for the two superheroes disagreeing from his series of 1990s credit card commercials where he interacted with an animated Superman.
Seinfeld at this time had also recently started his internet show where he interviews people in cars, an idea which had already been done by Robert Llewellyn (Kryten from Red Dwarf).
Yeah, the context makes sense. It's still funny though, especially when I hear "Daddy" in a Tom Green voice. As for other cursed panels, the "Captain America eats his shield" has to be up there
Unrelated to the post but RIP Keith Giffen.
One of the great comic book creators has left us.
Hal and Clark are fascinating together. I wish we got to see them together more often
I wanna see this dynamic return in tandem with the modern Bruce/Hal/Barry dynamic. Imagine Clark and Bruce having good rapport and friendship, but Clark absolutely hating one of Bruce's other friends, and the friend that Clark and Bruce both get along with (Barry) also is pals with Hal, the guy that Clark hates. It's actually a really good dynamic combo, I think. "My best friend Bruce, our good friend Barry, and the guy I fucking hate: Bruce and Barry's close friend Hal".
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Sasha's muffled Dr Fate voice gave me a good giggle.
Jor-El's dialogue proves that Kypronians are Canadian, eh?
If they had even just had him say, 'Punish me, father!', it would have been less creepy than 'daddy'.
Since this a reference for me, and me alone, Superman and Green Lantern are chasing without consent, Spyro.
"TOUCH THE PURPLE DRAGON!!!"
That's a surprisingly deep reason for that panel to happen.
Man the cursed panel that always comes to mind is Hal asking a girl on a date to co-sign for his car
Ganthet: "This dispute shall be decided as it should be. In MORTAL KOMBAT!"
Also, them needing to touch a purple dragon made me picture the two chasing after Spyro... or Spike from MLP.
Superman: "The truth is, I'm not a baby! I AM A MAN!"
In World's Finest #289, Superman and Batman cry over the deaths of alien bioprobes that feed off their emotions and communicate through sex. That deserves a cursed story dissection, "The Kryll Way of Dying."
"Harder! Spank me with that Kryptonite rod"!
I would so start referring to Superman as the *_"Grand Daddy of Greatness"_* instead of the "Man of Steel" from now on but no one, outside of this group, would know what the hell I'm talking bout lol
I had never seen this panel before, but seeing the full one, it makes sense for the time it was written. I don't think "daddy" became kinky until the last couple of decades
You haven't seen many Tex Avery Cartoons, have you?
It's from the 40s.
Try a lot earlier. The song 'My heart belongs to Daddy.' was released in 1938. It's not about her father.
I don't know if you've ever mentioned how the Green Lantern Corps is based on the classic sci-fi "Lensman" books, by E.E. Smith. His concept of a Galactic law enforcement patrol has also inspired the "Ultraman" ultra-warriors, the Jedi, and Klaatu and Gort from "the Day the Earth Stood Still."
The Lantern Corps for sure, and Ultraman's reasonable even if their upper ranks have gradually become less incomprehensible and all-powerful over time (at least in parts of the franchise). The Jedi lack the key feature of having godlike entities empowering them while also carefully leaving their proteges to do almost all the work for themselves. Klaatu/Gort is much more about dopey Earthlings' mistaken beliefs about which one of them is actually in charge and fears about machines taking over from organics - something the Arisians would have been terribly disappointed about. "No transistorized com-pu-tors for you, children. Calculate your own orbits with your brain and a slide rule or you'll get lazy and Boskone will eat you alive."
Nice to see someone who knows their classic scifi, I might add. :)
I've seen the Lensman anime movie and a couple episodes of the TV anime. The author's estate did not like these Japanese cartoons and there have been no official releases since the VHS days. Back then (before the world wide web) I tried to get the books from the library but could not find them. I forgot all about this until you mentioned "Lensman". I should try to find them again...
Well... Alan Scott wasn't based on Lensman, the GLC was a sci-fi revamp of Alan Scott, so it's more coincidence that the GLC ended up looking like Lensman.
@@kingbeauregard Not if you consider the similarities in names of the GL corps characters, like Arisa and Eddore, which are direct homages.
@@ramblingRJ And what year did Arisia and Eddore first appear? The answer is 1981, a good 22 years after Hal Jordan and the Guardians first appeared. So yeah, it's an homage, but it's got nothing to do with the creative development of the GLC.
Hal and Clark as rivals is an interesting idea. I don't like it as much as Hal and Bruce not being able to get along, but if this rivalry is more of a "difficulty working together" turned "friendly competition" thing based more around their powers than personalities I can get behind it.
Way back, I read a comic where it turned out Hal and Clark have regular meet ups to fight on uninhabited planets and it always ends in a tie. That, along with some TAS episodes, got me thinking that the JLA is more interesting when each member is potentially capable of taking out each other member under the right circumstances.
i've been watching some Superfriends episodes and there is one where they're trapped in another dimension (or time / black hole. I can't remember) and Superman and Green Lantern are like "Hey. Let's combine into one being and use our multiplied powers to escape". They do it. it works. There are no consequences. They can do it again at any time they want with no draw backs. They just don't.
The only part I don't like is the constant "Superman is much stronger than I am"
Like Hal wouldn't say that and is so .... awkward and Depending on continuity not entirely true.
@WannabeWryter I like when they're about even.
@NegaHumanX Same, I like the idea that all the Justice leaguers are equally OP, In their own fields.
Superman Strength
Wonder Woman combat
Batman Intelligence/ Darkness
Flash/ Speed
Aquaman/ Elemental Energy Green Lantern/ Cosmic Enegry
Martin Manhunter/ Telepathy
Zatanna/ Magic.
@WannabeWryter Zatanna really needs to be an original 7 member. She'd bring in a whole different perspective and some non-punchy based mystic firepower to the team.
@NegaHumanX Agreed 👍, DC should embrace its magical side
How interesting that Hal sees Kal as the "grand-daddy of greatness" while Kal sees himself as a baby deserving of punishment for being unkryptonian (a typical earthly punishment at that), and that Kal sees Hal as a cosmic vagabond with no morals, while Hal sees himself as almost an extension of the role of Lantern, barely an individual or a human anymore.
Knowing the context, the thing that makes me confused is the purple dragon. Like they accepted that? No questions asked
It is DC right off the heels of the Silver Age. That dragon could have had an ongoing for all they knew.
If you read GL in this era, that wasn't even particularly weird by Guardians standards. It was always some unexplained BS with those guys back then.
I keep thinking the dragon's name was "Puff" and he lived by the sea, hahaha!
Superman probably had to fight a giant radioactive space monkey with a krypronite sword last week a purple dragon ain't notin new
Damn, supes save this for your OF
The silver age does jave some seriousness dispite how silly it gets.
This adds so many layers when Jor-El actually retuns in Rebirth.
I'm happy for Lois. I think she needed to see it.
I wonder why the Superman spanking scene became a meme while the Green Lantern bondage scene didn't? Maybe because the latter is more common?
The internet works in mysterious ways lol
Me, who had no idea this panel even existed: Yes, some context would very much be appreciated.
Your last cursed panel video had a panel pop up at 7:11 where it shows a shirtless Superman and Lex Luthor, Superman is chained up and looks... excited, while Lex is rubbing his thigh
i dunno if that's a real panel but it's VERY cursed
2:08 For Rao's sake, you can hardly blame Clark. *Everyone* was disappointed about Hal Jordan in the Seventies. Especially Ollie.
"Show me the issue number!" is a gripe I've also picked up on and begun to hate. I came across a real stinker recently from the 90s during a cameo: "This is explained in Spidey's own mag!" Which one of around 5, and which issue?! I'm not combing through then-recent issues based off of the comic I'm currently reading's release date! I have better things to do with my reading time!
Issue references in editor's note are a lost art in general. Most comics for the last 30 years seem to have been written with the idea that the storylines would be collected in trade paperbacks.
@@VonWenk Yup. Really annoying. And how X-Men and Thor comics especially seem to be almost nothing but crossovers for years now: "As seen in War of the Realms!" Really? Which part? Because that had at least 4 titles take part in it!
10:42 "he is a man" you're supposed to say that while punching something, preferably a robot chicken person of the future in the stomach
There was a Doc Savage story called the Purple Dragon. What are the chances of Superman writers taking ideas from the Doc Savage pulps?
I request again about that bizzare shirtless Superman panel from last time. I needs to know the context!
Honestly superman being jealous of gl in this context makes sense. Hal will never, from Clark:s Pov, have to worry about approval or being worthy or living up to some unattainable expectations from a dead heritage. He's already been chosen, he's already proven himself worthy, and he can be sure to know exactly what the guardians think of him... Every time he screws up hehe
If you think that panel was cursed, you should watch the one from the "Generations" trilogy in which a centuries-old Superman kisses a 13-year-old Lana Lang. The worst thing here is that that panel is EVEN worse with the context 😅
See if they'd had a giant Russell Crowe spank Henry Caville, we wouldn't NEED to reboot DC movies.
Stuff like this is why you're the best comic channel. Funny and fun while also being hella informative even about the silliest topics!
For cursed panels... the one where Superman's eye keeps getting bigger, expanding out of his head. I have no idea where those panels were from besides it being an older comic. But omg I saw that as a child and it HORRIFIED me.
That is peak thumbnail choice
The silver age shenanigans. It's so messy 😅
"There's a purple dragon to touch" is going to be my go do when I have to make a speedy get away from things from now on.
🤔 I bet this would have gotten a different reaction if it were Zeus spanking Diana …although William Moulton Marston would have loved it …Keep Up The Outstanding Work Sasha 🖖🏾
This is what I live for, thank for doing more of these!
This was definitely not what I expected from that cursed panel. This story had interesting psychological undertones that elevated this story. This is a great and original series from you. Please continue making more.
Obligatory Superman quote courtesy of Linkara; "I AM A MAN!"
I sense a new playlist in the future
Indeed!
The whole "rivalry and jealousy" reminds me of how much of the world was at war--or in Cold War struggles--from the 1940s through the 1980s... and how it seems like it's getting worse again.
Knight Terrors wishes
For the reasons you talk about at the end, thats why I love when Batman has to work with Hal or Guy. Or to a lesser extent, Booster Gold. I like when the characters who don't get along have to work together
You said "Hal assumes that his fears have all been stamped out because he's now Green Lantern," but I think that's got it backwards. He was chosen by the ring because he had no fear... "born without fear" and all. Back in the 70's (I think) he became unemployable as a test pilot because this showed up in his psych evals, making him a bad insurance risk.
How dare you give this context
According to fandom DC Database, Julius Schwartz and E. Nelson Bridwell are the editors associated with World's Finest 201. I believe that the reference you highlighted would be to the famous Green Lantern/Green Arrow run, issues 76-89, by Denny O'Neil, Neal Adams and various inkers. Sits on the border between Silver Age and Bronze Age comics in style as well, just as you described. Could be argued those issues marked the transition between the eras. Didn't see that you've covered it on your channel.
You should keep looking. Sasha has covered the "Hard Traveling Heroes" era a few times.
Be gentle, Casually Comics, it’s my first time seeing the panel.
Can you do a video about cloning? I’ve always been interested in why that trope is so prevalent in comics.
Easier to draw the same character many times than a bajillion different ones? :)
Kirby did invent Cadmus, after all. Never in all of history have we had a higher "Jimmy Olsens per page" count than his run on that book. It's enough to make me wonder if he was trying to draw Jimmy more times in his run than everyone else did in the other ~150+ issues.
Dr. Fate, as with most JSA members is a very old man who just wants to kick back with a bucket of popcorn and watch the kids kill each other
So funny how he came through from earth 2 at the time as he wanted to watch the fight
I appreciate that you avoided the low hanging fruit of making a pun about the two heroes touching what turned out to be a Bad Dragon(tm).
I've been hoping you'd do a video on this one. It was worth the wait (so good)! I encountered the panel before the story, and yeah, it's hard to recontextualize it and not chortle a little. That said, it's pretty heavy for an early Bronze-Age story. It's amazing how many times Superman has saved the universe, and he still feels like he's dogging it. As for GL, the only thing Hal has to fear is Hal himself (Not quite accurate, but the saying amuses me). On the unhelpful editor's note: I was just reading Green Lantern #81 the other day and Hal says to Ollie, "And remember, the Guardians reduced my ring's power." Why? When? What issue? No note whatsoever! Only you can understand my sadness, lol!
Ah, out of context panels, the gift that keeps on giving.
So...Superman isn't a baby.
HE IS A MAN!
This is a period of time with WF that I knew Nothing about!! Also this is a story I never expected. THIS is why the old "Hal/Barry" best friendship was important, at least someone liked him! Hahaha! Now I want to hear about that Superman/non-powered Wonder Woman story. Not that I'd think it would happen, but hearing Diana talking with Clark about going from his equal in power to powerless would be fascinating!
I remember first reading this story in one of the DC Blue Ribbon Digests back in the 80's. At the time, and having the context the panel didn't really seem so odd to me, a little sad actually as I think back on the first time I read it. Of course being probably 12 or 13 when I read it, and having the context of the story, I didn't really give it any thought as to how it might be seen otherwise. now, sure, out of context it could be seen in a variety of ways, but at the time...not so much.
"Punish me daddy."
That sounds something Wonder Woman's creator would write. He was into that stuff.😏
i just realized superman’s ectoplasmic hallucinations of his dad mirror batman’s doubts about his dad and now i’m imagining that one btas scene but with batman being spanked
That's really wild I read this story a few months ago and forgot about this panel.
I'm genuinely concerned that the voice of superman in my head when I read a comics will always sound like Sasha's version of superman
There are DEFINITELY easy ways to make Hal I-slip-on-a-bar-of-soap-and-the-ring -had-to-find-a-new-lantern I-ask-my-ex-to -cosing-a-lease-on-my-car Jordan 😂
I think it was in DC Comics Presents #26, Superman called Hal’s ring a “little green trinket”. Silver Age Sups was a total troll LOL
I love the 'Cursed Panel' episodes. Your knowledge is amazing.
Yeees. It’s becoming a series.
Henrey Cavill not recreating that scene is one of the main reasons that DC universe failed 😂
Hal having tension with Batman or Ollie is kinda fun, but I've never been into the idea of Hal and Supes having issues. I prefer comics where they're depicted as friends. (although Grand -daddy of Greatness" makes it all worthwhile!)
I could have done without seeing that.
Oh, come on you clicked on this video you know what you did
@@TaliysinWhat? Thanks for the stupid reply?
When are people not disappointed about Hal Jordan? Never, that's when.
Has anyone who is NOT engaged in a fetish actually ever said, "Punish me daddy, I deserve it"?
Catholics say “Forgive me father, for I have sinned” all the time 🙃
@@philiphunn194 Yeah... I don't think that has the same conatation any way you slice it.
"Hal is rarely okay." - Unfortunately, DC got it in its head that the way to make its characters more "realistic" was to heap failings and neuroses on them, and nobody got that worse than Hal. O'Neill decided to make him a vaguely conservative stooge who needed to be educated by Green Arrow; Marv Wolfman made him a whiner who prioritized his me-time over saving Abin Sur's planet; Steve Englehart made Hal a shiftless quitter who was willing to bang a teenage Arisia.
Superman wasn't entirely spared this either. We don't remember it much these days, but there was a big push to make Superman feel like a stranger on earth, because thanks to Kryptonian technology he had memories of Kryptonian life. So they tried to amp up the drama sometimes with him being all whiny about how he doesn't belong.
As far as this particular comic goes, there's no way that modern Clark and Hal would have gotten into this dumb contrived argument. It's frankly bad writing.
I always read "DC Comics Pesents" as a new teamup book for Superman with other heroes. It was really World's Finest? That blows my mind! It was always DC Comics Presents on the cover. How weird.
I got that issue from my mother around 1977. It was the first back issue bought from a comic book store that I had ever seen, bought either at Trade-a-Tape or The Time Machine in Lincoln, Nebraska.
Sasha please delve into another issue i found bizarre growing up brave and bold 78 where wonder woman and batgirl compete and fight for the love of batman that was a strange one 😊
That panel even in context makes me question the relationship Clark had with Pa Kent. "Get ready, boy! I have a hankering for some spankering!" Some time later... Jonathan Kent has to be treated for a broken hand. "This DID hurt me a lot more than it hurt you, son!"
It's all there, I wonder why they backed down from making the connection.
There was this weird black and white cartoon before of Superman being spanked by President Harry Truman. I never got the context of that.
Wait, a football reference to diving... this is my favorite episode ever!
As a tangent, this makes me want a comparison of Jor-El through the different comic ages, like comparjng Bronze Age to Mr. Oz
Werner Roth's work on Superman was much more tame compared to the weird foot fetish he seemed to have when drawing Hank Mccoy's bare feet.
Yeah, actually that's exactly the kind of scenario I'd expect that panel to come from. Except possibly using Mxy.