Nice breakdown, but there's an issue with your 'problem' with Golden Parry. The fact that it starts quicker is in no way disadvantageous, even if you're used to the timing of the other parries. The first parry frame is the earliest of all the parries, yes, but its last parry frame is also the latest of all the parries, tied with all the other Ash of War parries. If you hit the button at the same time, Golden Parry will never miss a parry a different parry would have hit.
Also the fp cost is easily offset with the talisman you get off of black knife assassin in lucaria. Seriously you can never run out of fp with it unless you carelessly spam parry for no reason lol. You parry and you stab you get fp back you spent on the parry.
it depends to some people react to parrys by knowing the attack and specting it or by reflex i react by reflex so i rather have a fast wind up but if i know what attack is coming i rather have the slow wind up because is ''safer'' it all comes to preferences but its good to know what you said about golden parry something to keep in mind
@@altair658 Dude you're not getting it, it's never "safer" to use anything else because of how long the Golden Parry lasts. I'll break it down even further to help you understand: say you're using the slowest parry shield, a normal medium shield parry, and an attack is going to hit on frame 30. And say you'd usually parry on frame 14 - the windup is 13 frames, so the parry frames start on frame 27 and lasts until frame 32. If you instead used the Golden Parry and parried at the exact same time, the parry frames would start on frame 22 which is much earlier, but would last until frame 36. You could even start 4 frames earlier with Golden Parry, and it would still end at the same time as the normal medium shield parry. No matter what the situation, if you use any other parry and it's successful, then the Golden Parry would have been successful too
I'm just starting to learn how to parry and this video helped a lot. As a tip to those who can squeeze it into their build - golden parry costs 4 FP, the assassin cerulean dagger talisman restores 15 FP per crit. As long as the enemy you're fighting is riposteable you'll be able to continuously parry
If you activate a parry against a wall while riding an elevator (like the first elevator you come up and there isn't a gap between the elevator and the wall) the shield will spark during the active parry frames. Very good way to get a visual of when the parry starts and stops working.
A tip of timing the parry - try not to look at the weapon so much but rather pay attention to the hand movement of the enemy, for example: click parry button when you see the hand start going towards your character. Try practicing on the normal swordsman enemy by the merchant Kale at the start of the game, you will see what I mean, its much easier to hit when you pay attention to the hand movement rather than the weapon. (don't parry when the hand is moving away from your character---- DO parry when it starts coming towards your character). This is especially noticeable with enemies like the Crucible knights. And btw, I only know this works well with buckler and Carian Retaliation.. dont know about other shields.
True. I was feeling very confident on my parrying skills because of sekiro, picked up a medium shield and tried to parry kill margit. Managed to land some and get the kill but the run was so horrible i never tried to parry again.
Yeah same issue with parries in elden ring, I didnt know carian retaliation had that many frames tho, I was thinking golden parry was the same as buckler but now knowing that is like that I will use both of them depending against what I am fighting against
Also anyone wanting to learn parring I suggest going back to the tutorial area and practice parrying on the hollows there and the crucible knight at the evergoal by stormveil Castle
I completely gave up on parries when I kept dying to a single knight in Limgrave trying to figure it out; I decided that dual-wielding and rolling would suit me better. This breakdown will give me a better shot. Thank you.
My favorite so far for parrying has been powerstancing a katana with the wakazashi dagger with parry on the dagger. The wakazashi actually powerstances with katanas instead of daggers, and nobody in PvP sees it coming, and gives great utility in PvE.
@@815TypeSirius Of course it does lmao, 150ms instead of 83 is a massive difference. And by your logic, since the longest parry is only 83ms longer than the wakizashi, why bother using anything better anyway? That much apparently doesn't matter according to you, so may as well use the wakizashi and get the powerstanced moveset
@@heyimanameheyimalastname You are wrong and its 🥶 how incorrect you are. I hope you learn and grow then look back on this and feel embarrassed for being so 🤭
The numbers are helpful but pausing the animation and showing the frames could be useful for the majority of people Great video, thank you for the info
Yeah i know a lot more about parrying in dark souls 3 then in elden ring so it would be nice to see the hitbox of the parry and if a failed parry still absorbs damage and how much damage
Golden parry it's my go to Helped a lot against Rob, Moonveil, Waterfowl Dance, shield poke and did manage to parry multiple players at the same time just watch your Fp. Pretty funny parrying someone from a bit far away then walking for the critical hit.
To be honest ive still been finding parrying really hard but with enough time and practice ill get there, great video hollow, keep up the great content
I've practiced quite a bit and from my experience its better to setup parries with poke pressure rather then trying to reaction parry. Hope that helps!
Oh yeah, especially on slower parries like the dagger, your late window will probably require a predictive input rather than a reactive one. And remember that colossal weapons, whips, and flails can't be parried.
I always thought Crucible Knights were next to impossible to deal with, but parrying makes them almost trivial assuming you can survive at least 2 hits. Night's cavalry are also much easier to deal with using parry, they aren't hard to begin with, but you can instantly dismount them with a parry.
Elden Ring has a tiny .6sec parry window. Souls series before gave you a 1.5sec window for parry. Buckler shield gets you close to the 1.5sec of the trilogy.
This made a world of difference in my gameplay. Easily one of the top 10 useful ER tutorials. Great job on the video editing and conciseness appreciate the on screen titles and conclusion notes.
Omg I didn't know this is information and I wish I had beforehand! I kept wondering why it was so difficult for me to land parries against the Banished Knights, when I was using a medium Brass Shield. Granted I was using Golden Parry and I think that it was the quickest parry now that I have learned this in hindsight! SUPER useful video! Thank you for posting!
The best parry video for Elden ring! I finally want to give parry another shot… had the same feelings about it when starting a confessor build. Would be nice to know where to get each parry in this same video though.
I know Golden parry is up on one of the platforms to your left of the giant steps leading from plateau into Leyndel it's a scarab. I think stormwall is sold by Bernhal at Warmasters Shack, he also has the regular parry, Thops has Thops Barrier I can't remember where Carian Retaliation is at.
By the way you forgot to mention that when you use Carian Retaliation if the magic against you is powerful or weak the daggers you spawn are either small or big, this is what i use, it's awesome.
"The Reed seems fragile yet it resists the wind better than the oak. Force is rigid but if you can move with the wind you will never break." This is from the thunder cats (2010) I'd say it fits the parry idea fairly well
Confucius “the green reed which bends is stronger than the oak that breaks in the storm” It’s a proverb about resisting conflict and pain. Very very very old.
Really impressive video overall for a mechanic that cant be understood without some system testing. Parry is one of the only skill expressive mechanics in the game (especially when compared to smth like MH) and it feels hella fun to pull off, so thank you for the information.
Thanks for the breakdown. I just started to use the Buckler parry yesterday and it’s been a godsend for learning to parry. On Bloodborne, I was a parrying master basically and pretty good at parrying Sekiro too-which should be more difficult if you’ve played it-but in the other souls games it’s been hard for me to reliably pull off for whatever reason. It’s a point of pride for me, but there’s just something different with how it works in Dark Souls and Elden Ring. It’s just been frustrating. I’m about to parrying the shit out of everything going forward.
You have a very traditional raw parry from standing. I learned in DS3 you could parry out of block by pressing parry whilst holding block to keep your guard even more airtight. Love it.
duuuuuude. THANK YOU SO MUCH. i started by testing the game as an astrologer, had a good time with parrying, it clicked for me, then I switched and stuck to confessor, but parry just felt off for me, so I gave up on it. I even do have those ashes war, this is a gamechanger for me, thank you.
Thank you, this video is very helpful for someone wanna try out the parry scene, I was dying so much with the medium and tower shield and now I know why.
Gotta thank you, tried parrying on my first playthrough with all the ashes but no frame difference knowledge, haven't touched it since. I'm now finishing my third slot and struggling with Radagon and my bleed build, plus they nerfed BHS today which was my main boss evade method. Anyway, before watching the video i couldn't even parry a soldier of Godrick with my Twinbird shield, now i've put Carian Retaliation on it, went straight to Radagon and started parrying him consistently on first try (he does have a couple of punishes for excessive parrying but nothing unavoidable). I think i actually have a chance of getting to 2nd phase with my flasks and finishing this without summons now, so thanks a lot. Knowing the extra frames are there is all i needed to get over parry anxiety and start using them.
Ive never bothered with partying since it's one if those skills I just seem incapable of doing regardless of how much I practice it. Which is why I love the addition of guard countering
This video confirms something that I was sure about a month ago, which is that the parry startup is slower in elden ring than ds3. Also, really good video and I'm glad I now know a bit more about how the different ashes of war and shields stack up for parrying
Doing a parry run right now, and I have a blast. Timing is hard at first. I started with the tiny buckler, but I was off a lot then realised it's parry skill was different and faster. Tried again with the wooden shield and I have lot more success.
Golden parry hard counters Rivers of Blood, it was never OP, and neither were great shield turtle pokers or dual spears. Any build can use it and you can put it on a 1 weight shield. golden parry makes them all trivial. Now can we move on and talk about an actually broken weapon the colossal sword's crouch poke. when 2 handed it cant be parried (unlike the rolling R1 poke from DS3) it comes out faster than a halberd poke and it does full colossal poise/stagger damage so it true combos into pretty much anything. Go take a look at some of the red summon signs at Academy Gate, you'll see more greatswords than any other weapon by far.
As a Zweihander fan myself... yeah. Crouch-poke is the Colossal sword moveset's bread and butter, but having it be unparryable is kind of oppressive. They kinda went backwards when they made it unparryable, compared to the DS3 days. your rolling light attack was still an excellent move, even if it was parryable.
You're just a contrarian dumbass. Something having a counter doesn't mean it's not broken. But please, go off about how you know better than the entire pvp community and professionals that play I as a job because "hurr hurr parry hurr hurr".
I gotta agree. They changed parry’s so that we would equip parry’s to shields. This way we would use them. But in ds3 I was great with parry’s when it came to pve and pvp. I honestly thought I lost my mojo with parry’s. But like u said I felt like with carian or golden parry’s I was back and wondered why using my medium shield couldn’t land a parry. Now I know why
Old video but I did NOT know the startup frames impacted it so much until you laid the numbers out. No wonder I felt like I perfectly time the parry but still get hit. I’m pressing the parry button at the exact moment the parry needs to be thrown out so I’m basically using the time before the start up frames and wondering why I’m being hit 😂
The bottom line to all of the strategy videos is the right tool for the right job, and knowing how to use each tool. For every boss and NPC understanding their weakness and strengths will tell you which tool to use. When I get a new weapon, I like to go back to old areas and practice on weaker foes while gathering resources and runes to level up. At 500 hours, I’m just now learning to Perry with a shield. 😂
Useful video! Just a suggestion - include your monitor frame rate when discussing frames. This is because everyone plays on different hardware so a more appropriate metric would be frames ÷ frame_rate = time.
I just started Elden Ring, I've never played a Souls like. I loved the idea of parrying cause I come from a past in For Honor. I've been using the vagabond with the medium shield up to now and yeah, I got some basic boss down with it but I'm glad to know, it sucks so hard as a parrying tool. Will switch as soon as I find a good substitute.
You can almost always successfully parry someone when looking at the enemy's arm when it is about to swing rather than the weapon. For those new at elden ring. I agree with the medium shields. They are so slow at parrying that I get caught up in enemy attacks. The Bandit's starting buckler parry changed the game when I tried him.
It wasn't until my fourth playthrough that I gave parries a chance. I was pretty decent at it, but I still ended up finding it easier and more fun to do damage the traditional way, and dodge or block. Except for Crucible Knights. You can absolutely destroy crucible knights with parries, so much easier than trying to fight them the other way.
I think Thop's Barrier costs no FP even on a successful magic deflection. Also if you're using something like Golden Parry then it matches nicely with the blue assassin dagger to regain the FP on the riposte.
Oh yeah, now I've gotta start another new build...and then add-in the Ancestral Spirit Horn to regain even more FP upon killing an enemy. Wonder if the Carian Filigree Crest works for these parry AoW? Gotta test it out now.
I gotta try this right. I couldn't get the timing down early in the game so I quickly abandoned it. I can't seem to remember the name of the thorn shield that does blood loss, but I might give that a go since it will work with my current build.
I remember I got 6 parries in a row on margit. I used samurai’s starting shield (I don’t remember the name of it, something wooden I guess). I never played sekiro, parrying in elden ring is actually quite simple
I always used medium shields in past From games as I could never get the hang of the buckler. It explains why I couldn’t get a parry off in this game UNLESS I used the buckler 🙈
Just like you stated in the video. I have always felt like elden ring parry was bad or something ( maybe I’m just bad) but knowing the frames and extra detail on parry’s really makes my choices a whole lot simpler
I have never been able to get the hang of parrying in any FromSoftware game so I’m still trepidatious to even try these better parry’s. They look neat but I still don’t think they’d be much use to me. Probably a playstyle thing but I’m appreciative for the information nonetheless
I have seen people say the reason parrying seems so inconsistant between differetn people testing is that parry frams suffer from frame drops causing you to lose multiple active frames e.g. dropping 1 frame can cost you 1 or more parry frames so worst case is a medium shield could lose all its parry frames because it has so few if you drop from 60 to 59 for even a moment. The other thing I have seen people say is your other weapon that is equiped effects your delay when parry frames start and can cause the frames to end early too due to animation loops either way I see parrying as under whelimg and while it can be good when mastered you can get better results by focusing on other aspects of the game, to those who enjoy it good for you I hope ou have fun but I think something is off with it and needs fixing. The risk/reward for parrying is too heavly weighted to high risk and not enough reward/payoff for the increased risk.
Lmao I gave up on shield parry after failing to land any with a medium shield. Nice to see how short the parry window is in the breakdown. Gonna give it another shot on my new playthrough. Great video!
Parry Dagger has different parry frames in your left hand than it does in your right. As in, nonexistant while using it in your right hand to realy long frames in your left hand. Source, i had a friend bang at me at a steady pace. Could not get a parry in the right hand, it only got the partial block where you loose stamina and take damage per the daggers damage mitigations. While swaping it to the left hand, parries actualy started to happen. Not well versed in parrying but NO parries vs like , half of the time when swaped to left hand i got the feeling it does matter.
I'm struggling to understand a couple of things: 1. Do magical parries like the Carian Parry still parry normal, physical attacks? Or does it ONLY parry spells? 2. Once FP is consumed in special parries like Golden Parry, does the shield still parry normally or does it do the animation but no parry applies? Thanks in advance!
I can't tell on the version of the game now but 1. Carian parry can parry normal attacks without FP consuption (even with more frames), only consumes FP on spells. 2. Once out of FP all ashes of war parrys will be converted to regular parry, so normal parrys are still on, but with les frames.
Ok so that's why i'm parrying everything in this run xD I got the wind one ash of war and slap it on a shield (didn't even know it parried projectiles, neither it had a larger frame window)
I spent 3 days practicing buckler parry on Godskin Apostle in the bottom of Calied Divine Tower. Its unbelievably difficult and requires hrs of practice to get right.
I have played and beaten DS1,DS2,DS3 and Bloodborne. In that order. I gave up on parrying in DS1. So thank you for this. You have inspired me to attempt parrying once again.
Carian Retaliation is the best parry imo. It's great for anti-mages and gives you extra damage to boot. Can force dodge roll catching in PvP if you parry a spell and follow up with a good roll catcher. And deals pretty good damage in PvE even after the patch. Nowhere near the old 10k damage with the Carian Knight's Shield, but over all very reliable. Golden Parry is slightly more situational. Really good if you're getting ganged in PvP. Side note: You can parry spells as well with the Erdtree Greatshield. Isn't a weapon parry but can come in handy with certain situations with the high damage tracking projectile it shoots out.
i really wish there was a parry option on weapons (maybe only when twohanded) just like in sekiro. i loved parrying in sekiro i felt so badass with all the sparks metal hitting metal
I'm new to the souls series so I figured I'd practice parry. I was using med shield and just getting constantly wrecked. I picked up that gold parry ashe of war and holy crao what a difference. I mean, I'm still terrible but I can actually land a parry more consistently now!! Thanks for the video!!!
Golden parry starting up earlier is not a problem. I find it far easier to land a parry with golden parry due to this. You can wait longer into an attack and still land it.
My starting class was vagabond and I was really starting to get the medium shield parry down pack. Only to realize I could’ve made my life easier by using any other parrying equipment smh
part of why these ashes of war parries are so nice is that they're so unambiguous. I hate having to kinda guess where the parries starts and ends, and these provide a visual cue. Straightforward as hell, very cool.
I was looking for this info, great job! After a few hundred hours of practice on the bucker, I don't think I can switch to carian retaliation. Even though its a few frames my consistency went way down when I switched :(
I just fought the crucible knight duo, I tried the buckler parry and the golden parry. Although the timing was easier on Ordovis with the normal buckler parry, it was so much easier to parry the knight with the spear with golden parry. I ended up using Golden and just relearned the timings on the sword knight and it worked (i've always found parrying thrust weapons difficult, especially spears, since DS3 days). It it just me that really struggles with parrying thrust attacks? I'm so much better with swings/slams
@@jwubwub So good. I feel like the Sekiro mechanics would've made the game better. I tried the Elden Ring Sekrio Mod but too many things are missing for it to work properly
Worst part about parry is that you cant use your weapon ash of war while you hold a shield with parry skill i wish it was a way and im not a defend base in any game I am an attacker I just parry in time of neccessary needs
Highly recommend watching Thingfishy on TH-cam for guides on how to parry, and especially for specific bosses' parry timings. Best general advice, watch the hand not the weapon.
Surprise surprise, a non click-baity elden ring video by you guys that isn't lying about a tool's effectiveness. I actually watched another breakdown vid of the parry frames for the ashes a while ago and this one is pretty concise as well, good job.
Parries were the way I beat the first crucible knight. I got stuck on him for awhile and said “screw it, let’s see if I can parry him” and that was before I knew about those. I felt spoiled using them
I'm a half half magic and sword/shield user. (I know, I'm diluting myself and making my character weak, but I like options) I use carian retaliation. The loss of magic is a deal breaker with golden parry. I've got the spear crucible knights down to a science. Shield guy........ Eh, still working on being able to Parry him.
I really want to try the parry mechanic but hate giving up my main weapon ash of war. I guess I can try equipping and unequipping the shield during combat but sounds annoying. I guess that didn't want you to be too OP. Choose parrying or weapon skill.
Okay... Awesome video first of all, I have played Elden ring off and on since release and never actually understood the "party" or the "repost" the videos are always talking about. I've always used a hit and fade play style. That being said I am now seeing the advantage towards these actions. But how are they done with weapons? I've never been one for use of any type of shield. You said you can party via dagger/curve sword. How exactly? Is it only aow or is it timing with hitting the button?
I've been wanting to pick up parrying since I've been doing pvp and ROB is a persisting cancer in pvp lol, but I've never done it before and I was wondering what I should try..... thanks for the info Hollow.... your videos tend to pop up when I need them the most 😁
Thanks for all the great information. This has really helped. I do have a request. Could you create a video of what you can’t parry and what you can parry but not repost. I’m not sure whether I’m parrying wrong or you can’t parry the weapon or move. Thanks. couldn’t find one in my searching.
Nice breakdown, but there's an issue with your 'problem' with Golden Parry. The fact that it starts quicker is in no way disadvantageous, even if you're used to the timing of the other parries. The first parry frame is the earliest of all the parries, yes, but its last parry frame is also the latest of all the parries, tied with all the other Ash of War parries. If you hit the button at the same time, Golden Parry will never miss a parry a different parry would have hit.
Also the fp cost is easily offset with the talisman you get off of black knife assassin in lucaria. Seriously you can never run out of fp with it unless you carelessly spam parry for no reason lol. You parry and you stab you get fp back you spent on the parry.
it depends to some people react to parrys by knowing the attack and specting it or by reflex i react by reflex so i rather have a fast wind up but if i know what attack is coming i rather have the slow wind up because is ''safer'' it all comes to preferences but its good to know what you said about golden parry something to keep in mind
@@altair658 Dude you're not getting it, it's never "safer" to use anything else because of how long the Golden Parry lasts. I'll break it down even further to help you understand: say you're using the slowest parry shield, a normal medium shield parry, and an attack is going to hit on frame 30. And say you'd usually parry on frame 14 - the windup is 13 frames, so the parry frames start on frame 27 and lasts until frame 32. If you instead used the Golden Parry and parried at the exact same time, the parry frames would start on frame 22 which is much earlier, but would last until frame 36. You could even start 4 frames earlier with Golden Parry, and it would still end at the same time as the normal medium shield parry. No matter what the situation, if you use any other parry and it's successful, then the Golden Parry would have been successful too
I love golden parry
It's the only one I've actually landed consecutive parries with
On a crucible knight,
So I'll stick to it
@@heyimanameheyimalastname but DUDE you're not getting it... then you cant PEW PEW fucking magic blue beams BACK DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRPPP!!
I'm just starting to learn how to parry and this video helped a lot. As a tip to those who can squeeze it into their build - golden parry costs 4 FP, the assassin cerulean dagger talisman restores 15 FP per crit. As long as the enemy you're fighting is riposteable you'll be able to continuously parry
Thanks!! ❤
Restarted the game a few days ago after a long hiatus and thought to run a parry crit focused and this is really good advice. Thank you!
If you activate a parry against a wall while riding an elevator (like the first elevator you come up and there isn't a gap between the elevator and the wall) the shield will spark during the active parry frames. Very good way to get a visual of when the parry starts and stops working.
Actually helped a lot thanks bro
Very helpful. Thanks.
Amazing tip
A tip of timing the parry - try not to look at the weapon so much but rather pay attention to the hand movement of the enemy, for example: click parry button when you see the hand start going towards your character. Try practicing on the normal swordsman enemy by the merchant Kale at the start of the game, you will see what I mean, its much easier to hit when you pay attention to the hand movement rather than the weapon. (don't parry when the hand is moving away from your character---- DO parry when it starts coming towards your character). This is especially noticeable with enemies like the Crucible knights. And btw, I only know this works well with buckler and Carian Retaliation.. dont know about other shields.
When I first played, I tried but just couldn't land parries very often, good to know why! Next time I play, gotta give it a try, thanks!
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It's because you aren't good
True. I was feeling very confident on my parrying skills because of sekiro, picked up a medium shield and tried to parry kill margit. Managed to land some and get the kill but the run was so horrible i never tried to parry again.
@@Yor35P I want sekiro two. Probably one of the most satisfyingly difficult games in ages
Yeah same issue with parries in elden ring, I didnt know carian retaliation had that many frames tho, I was thinking golden parry was the same as buckler but now knowing that is like that I will use both of them depending against what I am fighting against
Also anyone wanting to learn parring I suggest going back to the tutorial area and practice parrying on the hollows there and the crucible knight at the evergoal by stormveil Castle
thanks for confirming my thoughts :)
I just beat the Crucible Knight at evergaol with parry. It was frustrating but quite rewarding at the end.
There are so many delayed attacks in ER so once you get used to them, you can literally parry anything 💪
Another disadvantage of golden parry is apparently the hitbox is more flat, so you are susceptible to tall overhead attacks
Wtf
@@ivrgn1720 It's goty, don't be suprised
I completely gave up on parries when I kept dying to a single knight in Limgrave trying to figure it out; I decided that dual-wielding and rolling would suit me better. This breakdown will give me a better shot. Thank you.
You can also use a big shield and counters instead
@@lordyasha5944 no joke that is what got me through Ringleader Evergaol
My favorite so far for parrying has been powerstancing a katana with the wakazashi dagger with parry on the dagger. The wakazashi actually powerstances with katanas instead of daggers, and nobody in PvP sees it coming, and gives great utility in PvE.
Good luck with those five parry frames... lol
@@815TypeSirius Daggers have nine parry frames, not five
@@Jnnewsman yes because an extra 64ms matters.
@@815TypeSirius Of course it does lmao, 150ms instead of 83 is a massive difference. And by your logic, since the longest parry is only 83ms longer than the wakizashi, why bother using anything better anyway? That much apparently doesn't matter according to you, so may as well use the wakizashi and get the powerstanced moveset
@@heyimanameheyimalastname You are wrong and its 🥶 how incorrect you are. I hope you learn and grow then look back on this and feel embarrassed for being so 🤭
The numbers are helpful but pausing the animation and showing the frames could be useful for the majority of people
Great video, thank you for the info
Yeah i know a lot more about parrying in dark souls 3 then in elden ring so it would be nice to see the hitbox of the parry and if a failed parry still absorbs damage and how much damage
Golden parry it's my go to
Helped a lot against Rob, Moonveil, Waterfowl Dance, shield poke and did manage to parry multiple players at the same time just watch your Fp.
Pretty funny parrying someone from a bit far away then walking for the critical hit.
To be honest ive still been finding parrying really hard but with enough time and practice ill get there, great video hollow, keep up the great content
I've practiced quite a bit and from my experience its better to setup parries with poke pressure rather then trying to reaction parry. Hope that helps!
@@Xx_Gam3r_xX thanks for the advice, ill be sure to try that
Oh yeah, especially on slower parries like the dagger, your late window will probably require a predictive input rather than a reactive one. And remember that colossal weapons, whips, and flails can't be parried.
Parry on the down swing
same i can't parry consistently at all
I always thought Crucible Knights were next to impossible to deal with, but parrying makes them almost trivial assuming you can survive at least 2 hits. Night's cavalry are also much easier to deal with using parry, they aren't hard to begin with, but you can instantly dismount them with a parry.
Thanks for this video. I also tried parries with a medium shield, and sworenoff parrying in this game.
Elden Ring has a tiny .6sec parry window. Souls series before gave you a 1.5sec window for parry. Buckler shield gets you close to the 1.5sec of the trilogy.
This made a world of difference in my gameplay. Easily one of the top 10 useful ER tutorials. Great job on the video editing and conciseness appreciate the on screen titles and conclusion notes.
Omg I didn't know this is information and I wish I had beforehand! I kept wondering why it was so difficult for me to land parries against the Banished Knights, when I was using a medium Brass Shield. Granted I was using Golden Parry and I think that it was the quickest parry now that I have learned this in hindsight! SUPER useful video! Thank you for posting!
i suck at parrying and this is just the tutorial i needed. thank you!
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The best parry video for Elden ring! I finally want to give parry another shot… had the same feelings about it when starting a confessor build. Would be nice to know where to get each parry in this same video though.
I know Golden parry is up on one of the platforms to your left of the giant steps leading from plateau into Leyndel it's a scarab. I think stormwall is sold by Bernhal at Warmasters Shack, he also has the regular parry, Thops has Thops Barrier I can't remember where Carian Retaliation is at.
By the way you forgot to mention that when you use Carian Retaliation if the magic against you is powerful or weak the daggers you spawn are either small or big, this is what i use, it's awesome.
I know my favorite Perry
*puts on detective hat and proceeds too make chittering noises*
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Best discussion I've seen on the subject. Thank you. Now I see why I didn't like Golden Parry vs. my Buckler.
"The Reed seems fragile yet it resists the wind better than the oak. Force is rigid but if you can move with the wind you will never break." This is from the thunder cats (2010) I'd say it fits the parry idea fairly well
“The Reed stands the Storm while the Oak falls from Wind” very old proverb
Confucius “the green reed which bends is stronger than the oak that breaks in the storm”
It’s a proverb about resisting conflict and pain.
Very very very old.
@@The.Nasty. yeah!! That’s the one!! I can never remember where it originates from
@@Jac4ester yessir… not to correct you, cause you pretty much had it right. 👍🏼
Just wanted to give the name and full quote for context.
@@The.Nasty. you’re good bro I appreciate the full context
Really impressive video overall for a mechanic that cant be understood without some system testing. Parry is one of the only skill expressive mechanics in the game (especially when compared to smth like MH) and it feels hella fun to pull off, so thank you for the information.
Excellent video! I needed this information, 200 hours into the game and I haven't thought about parrying until now xD
Thanks for the breakdown. I just started to use the Buckler parry yesterday and it’s been a godsend for learning to parry. On Bloodborne, I was a parrying master basically and pretty good at parrying Sekiro too-which should be more difficult if you’ve played it-but in the other souls games it’s been hard for me to reliably pull off for whatever reason.
It’s a point of pride for me, but there’s just something different with how it works in Dark Souls and Elden Ring. It’s just been frustrating. I’m about to parrying the shit out of everything going forward.
You have a very traditional raw parry from standing. I learned in DS3 you could parry out of block by pressing parry whilst holding block to keep your guard even more airtight. Love it.
you stop stamina recovery while holding the shield, and when parrying if you don't succeed you uses more stamina. Maybe that's why.
Just hold L1 >> Parry from block. It does cost more stamina, but it's safer.
Golden Parry makes fighting Malenia fun, makes it feel like I'm fighting in an intense For Honor duel (when it was good)
I moment of silence for thrust sword's parry animation, you were too beautiful for this world.
I miss my little twirly boy
duuuuuude.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
i started by testing the game as an astrologer, had a good time with parrying, it clicked for me, then I switched and stuck to confessor, but parry just felt off for me, so I gave up on it.
I even do have those ashes war, this is a gamechanger for me, thank you.
My god thank you for this! I thought my DS3 parry training was wasted and I was just ass now, thank the Lord it wasn't me 🤣🤣
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Thank you, this video is very helpful for someone wanna try out the parry scene, I was dying so much with the medium and tower shield and now I know why.
Gotta thank you, tried parrying on my first playthrough with all the ashes but no frame difference knowledge, haven't touched it since. I'm now finishing my third slot and struggling with Radagon and my bleed build, plus they nerfed BHS today which was my main boss evade method.
Anyway, before watching the video i couldn't even parry a soldier of Godrick with my Twinbird shield, now i've put Carian Retaliation on it, went straight to Radagon and started parrying him consistently on first try (he does have a couple of punishes for excessive parrying but nothing unavoidable). I think i actually have a chance of getting to 2nd phase with my flasks and finishing this without summons now, so thanks a lot.
Knowing the extra frames are there is all i needed to get over parry anxiety and start using them.
Ive never bothered with partying since it's one if those skills I just seem incapable of doing regardless of how much I practice it. Which is why I love the addition of guard countering
This video confirms something that I was sure about a month ago, which is that the parry startup is slower in elden ring than ds3. Also, really good video and I'm glad I now know a bit more about how the different ashes of war and shields stack up for parrying
Doing a parry run right now, and I have a blast. Timing is hard at first. I started with the tiny buckler, but I was off a lot then realised it's parry skill was different and faster. Tried again with the wooden shield and I have lot more success.
Wow!! Thank you for the great breakdown. I’m ready to really give parrying a try.
Golden parry hard counters Rivers of Blood, it was never OP, and neither were great shield turtle pokers or dual spears.
Any build can use it and you can put it on a 1 weight shield. golden parry makes them all trivial.
Now can we move on and talk about an actually broken weapon the colossal sword's crouch poke. when 2 handed it cant be parried (unlike the rolling R1 poke from DS3) it comes out faster than a halberd poke and it does full colossal poise/stagger damage so it true combos into pretty much anything.
Go take a look at some of the red summon signs at Academy Gate, you'll see more greatswords than any other weapon by far.
As a Zweihander fan myself... yeah. Crouch-poke is the Colossal sword moveset's bread and butter, but having it be unparryable is kind of oppressive. They kinda went backwards when they made it unparryable, compared to the DS3 days. your rolling light attack was still an excellent move, even if it was parryable.
You're just a contrarian dumbass. Something having a counter doesn't mean it's not broken. But please, go off about how you know better than the entire pvp community and professionals that play I as a job because "hurr hurr parry hurr hurr".
A counter that requires orecise timing doesn't trivialize anything in a game this laggy
Extremely disingenuous to act like 2 handing it to make it unparryable doesn't remove almost all the combo potential.
The heater shield is mint. I got one from Gatefont Ruins, levelled it to lvl 3 (I'm still new. Level 29 Vagabond) and its magnificent
I gotta agree. They changed parry’s so that we would equip parry’s to shields. This way we would use them.
But in ds3 I was great with parry’s when it came to pve and pvp. I honestly thought I lost my mojo with parry’s. But like u said I felt like with carian or golden parry’s I was back and wondered why using my medium shield couldn’t land a parry. Now I know why
Old video but I did NOT know the startup frames impacted it so much until you laid the numbers out. No wonder I felt like I perfectly time the parry but still get hit. I’m pressing the parry button at the exact moment the parry needs to be thrown out so I’m basically using the time before the start up frames and wondering why I’m being hit 😂
From the animation of the curved sword parry, combining it with the Flowing Curved Sword's unique charged attack would look like a legit dance
The bottom line to all of the strategy videos is the right tool for the right job, and knowing how to use each tool. For every boss and NPC understanding their weakness and strengths will tell you which tool to use. When I get a new weapon, I like to go back to old areas and practice on weaker foes while gathering resources and runes to level up. At 500 hours, I’m just now learning to Perry with a shield. 😂
Useful video! Just a suggestion - include your monitor frame rate when discussing frames. This is because everyone plays on different hardware so a more appropriate metric would be frames ÷ frame_rate = time.
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I just started Elden Ring, I've never played a Souls like. I loved the idea of parrying cause I come from a past in For Honor. I've been using the vagabond with the medium shield up to now and yeah, I got some basic boss down with it but I'm glad to know, it sucks so hard as a parrying tool. Will switch as soon as I find a good substitute.
You can almost always successfully parry someone when looking at the enemy's arm when it is about to swing rather than the weapon. For those new at elden ring.
I agree with the medium shields. They are so slow at parrying that I get caught up in enemy attacks. The Bandit's starting buckler parry changed the game when I tried him.
I admit, I was no good at parry and just went with great shield guard counters with colossal weapons.
It wasn't until my fourth playthrough that I gave parries a chance.
I was pretty decent at it, but I still ended up finding it easier and more fun to do damage the traditional way, and dodge or block.
Except for Crucible Knights.
You can absolutely destroy crucible knights with parries, so much easier than trying to fight them the other way.
I think Thop's Barrier costs no FP even on a successful magic deflection. Also if you're using something like Golden Parry then it matches nicely with the blue assassin dagger to regain the FP on the riposte.
Oh yeah, now I've gotta start another new build...and then add-in the Ancestral Spirit Horn to regain even more FP upon killing an enemy. Wonder if the Carian Filigree Crest works for these parry AoW? Gotta test it out now.
I gotta try this right. I couldn't get the timing down early in the game so I quickly abandoned it. I can't seem to remember the name of the thorn shield that does blood loss, but I might give that a go since it will work with my current build.
Thank you for that video. Now I finally have a reason to try to parry in elden ring, again 😁👍
I remember I got 6 parries in a row on margit. I used samurai’s starting shield (I don’t remember the name of it, something wooden I guess). I never played sekiro, parrying in elden ring is actually quite simple
I always used medium shields in past From games as I could never get the hang of the buckler. It explains why I couldn’t get a parry off in this game UNLESS I used the buckler 🙈
Just like you stated in the video. I have always felt like elden ring parry was bad or something ( maybe I’m just bad) but knowing the frames and extra detail on parry’s really makes my choices a whole lot simpler
I use Wakizashi to parry. Powerstances with Katanas despite being classified as a dagger. However, does not powerstance with other daggers.
I have never been able to get the hang of parrying in any FromSoftware game so I’m still trepidatious to even try these better parry’s. They look neat but I still don’t think they’d be much use to me. Probably a playstyle thing but I’m appreciative for the information nonetheless
I have seen people say the reason parrying seems so inconsistant between differetn people testing is that parry frams suffer from frame drops causing you to lose multiple active frames e.g. dropping 1 frame can cost you 1 or more parry frames so worst case is a medium shield could lose all its parry frames because it has so few if you drop from 60 to 59 for even a moment.
The other thing I have seen people say is your other weapon that is equiped effects your delay when parry frames start and can cause the frames to end early too due to animation loops
either way I see parrying as under whelimg and while it can be good when mastered you can get better results by focusing on other aspects of the game, to those who enjoy it good for you I hope ou have fun but I think something is off with it and needs fixing. The risk/reward for parrying is too heavly weighted to high risk and not enough reward/payoff for the increased risk.
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Lmao I gave up on shield parry after failing to land any with a medium shield. Nice to see how short the parry window is in the breakdown. Gonna give it another shot on my new playthrough. Great video!
Parry Dagger has different parry frames in your left hand than it does in your right. As in, nonexistant while using it in your right hand to realy long frames in your left hand. Source, i had a friend bang at me at a steady pace. Could not get a parry in the right hand, it only got the partial block where you loose stamina and take damage per the daggers damage mitigations. While swaping it to the left hand, parries actualy started to happen. Not well versed in parrying but NO parries vs like , half of the time when swaped to left hand i got the feeling it does matter.
I'm struggling to understand a couple of things:
1. Do magical parries like the Carian Parry still parry normal, physical attacks? Or does it ONLY parry spells?
2. Once FP is consumed in special parries like Golden Parry, does the shield still parry normally or does it do the animation but no parry applies?
Thanks in advance!
I can't tell on the version of the game now but
1. Carian parry can parry normal attacks without FP consuption (even with more frames), only consumes FP on spells.
2. Once out of FP all ashes of war parrys will be converted to regular parry, so normal parrys are still on, but with les frames.
@@leonardoknecht7230 Thank you so much that is exactly what I wanted to know!! :)
Ok so that's why i'm parrying everything in this run xD I got the wind one ash of war and slap it on a shield (didn't even know it parried projectiles, neither it had a larger frame window)
This vid made me feel like a badass as I use medium shields for parry. I'll admit it took me a few hours to get about 60% success rate.
I spent 3 days practicing buckler parry on Godskin Apostle in the bottom of Calied Divine Tower.
Its unbelievably difficult and requires hrs of practice to get right.
th-cam.com/video/DFNTNAM538s/w-d-xo.html
Video about parrying Godskin Apostle. Synopsis is Godskin is difficult because he's super strong.
I have played and beaten DS1,DS2,DS3 and Bloodborne. In that order. I gave up on parrying in DS1.
So thank you for this. You have inspired me to attempt parrying once again.
I found ds1 parries to be by far the easiest, personally
@@Nine-Oh-Five it probably is. Which is why I can comfortably say I am probably among the worst at parrying, hence me giving up on it.
Carian Retaliation is the best parry imo. It's great for anti-mages and gives you extra damage to boot. Can force dodge roll catching in PvP if you parry a spell and follow up with a good roll catcher. And deals pretty good damage in PvE even after the patch. Nowhere near the old 10k damage with the Carian Knight's Shield, but over all very reliable. Golden Parry is slightly more situational. Really good if you're getting ganged in PvP.
Side note: You can parry spells as well with the Erdtree Greatshield. Isn't a weapon parry but can come in handy with certain situations with the high damage tracking projectile it shoots out.
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How do you feel about the erdtree greatshield skill?
i really wish there was a parry option on weapons (maybe only when twohanded) just like in sekiro. i loved parrying in sekiro i felt so badass with all the sparks metal hitting metal
You can put the parry ash of war on daggers, curved swords and thrusting swords.
@@home_taping yes but the parry windows are very short
I'm new to the souls series so I figured I'd practice parry. I was using med shield and just getting constantly wrecked.
I picked up that gold parry ashe of war and holy crao what a difference. I mean, I'm still terrible but I can actually land a parry more consistently now!!
Thanks for the video!!!
Golden parry starting up earlier is not a problem. I find it far easier to land a parry with golden parry due to this. You can wait longer into an attack and still land it.
My starting class was vagabond and I was really starting to get the medium shield parry down pack. Only to realize I could’ve made my life easier by using any other parrying equipment smh
part of why these ashes of war parries are so nice is that they're so unambiguous. I hate having to kinda guess where the parries starts and ends, and these provide a visual cue. Straightforward as hell, very cool.
What is the ash of war called?
I was looking for this info, great job! After a few hundred hours of practice on the bucker, I don't think I can switch to carian retaliation. Even though its a few frames my consistency went way down when I switched :(
What a practical imformation.
That's what I needed!
Thanks a lot!
I just fought the crucible knight duo, I tried the buckler parry and the golden parry. Although the timing was easier on Ordovis with the normal buckler parry, it was so much easier to parry the knight with the spear with golden parry. I ended up using Golden and just relearned the timings on the sword knight and it worked (i've always found parrying thrust weapons difficult, especially spears, since DS3 days). It it just me that really struggles with parrying thrust attacks? I'm so much better with swings/slams
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Bring back mikiri counter
@@jwubwub So good. I feel like the Sekiro mechanics would've made the game better. I tried the Elden Ring Sekrio Mod but too many things are missing for it to work properly
This was nice, I’ve played for like 300 hours and haven’t parried once.
Seen some things parried I would not have thought to even try
Worst part about parry is that you cant use your weapon ash of war while you hold a shield with parry skill i wish it was a way and im not a defend base in any game I am an attacker I just parry in time of neccessary needs
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I mean thinking about the sheer variety of combat techniques one can perform in Elden ring makes my mind go 🤯
Highly recommend watching Thingfishy on TH-cam for guides on how to parry, and especially for specific bosses' parry timings.
Best general advice, watch the hand not the weapon.
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Thanks for the info. I thought I lost my touch with parries lol. Gonna have to try out a parry build now.
Проблема золотого парирования в том, что оно работает исключительно в горизонтальной плоскости.
Surprise surprise, a non click-baity elden ring video by you guys that isn't lying about a tool's effectiveness. I actually watched another breakdown vid of the parry frames for the ashes a while ago and this one is pretty concise as well, good job.
If u put carian retaliation on the carian sheild u will get easily over 100 magic dmg reduction
Parries were the way I beat the first crucible knight. I got stuck on him for awhile and said “screw it, let’s see if I can parry him” and that was before I knew about those. I felt spoiled using them
I'm a half half magic and sword/shield user. (I know, I'm diluting myself and making my character weak, but I like options) I use carian retaliation. The loss of magic is a deal breaker with golden parry.
I've got the spear crucible knights down to a science. Shield guy........ Eh, still working on being able to Parry him.
Feeling like a casual rn, thanks for this info my dude! Love the channel❤❤❤
I paired golden parry with the cerulean dagger talisman and was a parrying god.
Idk why they killed the parrying dagger.
It’s whole point was that it partied well.
Thx man, i was thinking why I cant land parry. This help a lot.
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I _REALLY_ wish for the weapon parry to be quicker, the twirling sword just looks so goddamn cool
I've never done anything with parrying in elden ring but could you use the magical parry with the buckler too? Or would that just be inefficient?
Thanks you for the video it helped a lot, before watching it I hated parrying but now I love it 🤣
I watched thingfishy instructional video. Parried godskin noble to death with golden parry after so many attempts. Will try the other ones here.
I really want to try the parry mechanic but hate giving up my main weapon ash of war. I guess I can try equipping and unequipping the shield during combat but sounds annoying. I guess that didn't want you to be too OP. Choose parrying or weapon skill.
Block then R2 on hit registers as a parry and opens up a critical hit too.
Didn't even realise all the enemies and bosses you could parry. Might be a good reason to try out NG+
Next playthrough I’m going to run parry the whole thing through. Should be a fun time.
Okay... Awesome video first of all, I have played Elden ring off and on since release and never actually understood the "party" or the "repost" the videos are always talking about. I've always used a hit and fade play style. That being said I am now seeing the advantage towards these actions. But how are they done with weapons? I've never been one for use of any type of shield. You said you can party via dagger/curve sword. How exactly? Is it only aow or is it timing with hitting the button?
I've been wanting to pick up parrying since I've been doing pvp and ROB is a persisting cancer in pvp lol, but I've never done it before and I was wondering what I should try..... thanks for the info Hollow.... your videos tend to pop up when I need them the most 😁
Thanks for all the great information. This has really helped. I do have a request.
Could you create a video of what you can’t parry and what you can parry but not repost. I’m not sure whether I’m parrying wrong or you can’t parry the weapon or move. Thanks.
couldn’t find one in my searching.