That Pedal Show - Echoplex EP-3 vs Strymon TimeLine, EHX Memory Man & Analogman ARDX20

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    In this episode we start by asking: what’s the big deal about tape echo?
    It sounds frikkin awesome, that’s the deal! However, it also comes with its fair share of problems including high cost, reliability issues, fiddly tape replacement and of course, the not-inconsiderable size impact on (or off) your pedalboard.
    All that aside, countless players have used - and still use - vintage and modern tape echo machines to create wonderful tones thanks to their unique character, depth and feel.
    The pick of the bunch for us is the Maestro Echoplex EP-3, just like the one we have here. We called it in - thanks to Charlie Chandler of www.guitarexper... - in order to compare it to the new T-Rex Replicator tape delay… but the T-Rex never showed and Charlie needs his EP-3 back for a gig asap. Hmmm. We move to Plan B.
    So in this video we ask: how do more modern delays compare to the EP-3 for tape echo simulation?
    We’ve chosen the (digital) Strymon TimeLine, (analogue) Electro Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man 1100-TT and (analogue) Analogman ARDX20 to see how they all compare.
    We also add the all-important Xotic EP Booster that’s derived from the original EP-3’s much loved preamp circuit, to see what that does to the more modern pedals.
    We’re also using a Fire Custom Shop Carpe Diem overdrive/distortion to create our gainer tones.
    Amps today are a Lazy J20 and a Mallard 20-watt Marshall Plexi clone. They’re both on all the time, set to a fairly clean tone.
    Guitars are Dan’s Fender Custom Shop ’63 Telecaster, a Collings SoCo and Mick’s Fender American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster.
    As ever, all signal routing and pedal switching is handled effortlessly by TheGigRig G2.
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  • @MrUltraworld
    @MrUltraworld 7 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I have a EP1 that's been in my family since 1965. I inherited it in '78, my uncle showed me how to care for it. He gave me a schedule for cleaning the heads and replacing the tape. I used it for years live, and it never failed me. The tube pre amp sounds glorious into a Plexi with the echo off. I have yet to hear a digital or analog delay that touches it, and I have had ridiculous offers for it. It's all I use at home.

    • @tb___8218
      @tb___8218 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      How would you compare the tube preamp of the EP1 to the later solid-state ones?

    • @seagers_studio
      @seagers_studio 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nice! any tips on caring for an echoplex?

  • @ChrisPBacon-fu4dw
    @ChrisPBacon-fu4dw 8 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The timeline is my favorite pedal of all time, just inspiration in a box. Every time you use it you get something you've never heard before.

    • @wallaceseal3072
      @wallaceseal3072 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes i own one and it is my favorite

  • @MusicMan642
    @MusicMan642 8 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    The EP-3 Echoplex the sound that made careers.

  • @henkkman
    @henkkman 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Oh my lord. That Echoplex had the best delay sound I've ever heard... Great video!

  • @j_freed
    @j_freed 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The EP 3 sounds amazing. The one thing is, there are points in the mechanism that require a touch of oil or grease, so to avoid ruining a vintage unit it is wise to look up the proper maintenance before operating it for too long at any time.

  • @rafsbio
    @rafsbio 8 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    Does it get any better than That Pedal Show? No, it does not.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Rafael Andrade Thanks Raf ;)

    • @hongseoryoo3486
      @hongseoryoo3486 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Rafael Andrade I second this. This is my favourite TH-cam channel.

    • @rigorhead01
      @rigorhead01 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Indeed, my favorite TH-cam channel as well

    • @michael_caz_nyc
      @michael_caz_nyc 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have to Agree !!! - I Love these guys. They are so Passionate about Pedals & Effects ( as am I ). Great Show. Great Information. Great Presentation. - Michael Caz - NYC - Songwriter / Musician / Producer

    • @electronicbattlefield2442
      @electronicbattlefield2442 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It does, go pick up your guitar

  • @PaulDavids
    @PaulDavids 8 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Haha, that name dropping horn is just awesome.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It was going to be a gong, then Mick found the horn in a little antiques shop. Bloody hilarious ;)

    • @jamesblack5972
      @jamesblack5972 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's funny but not nice when one is wearing headphones. They tend to use it inconsistently too.

  • @joesatchton212
    @joesatchton212 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My god...I was just transported back in time to the 1970s and Rush's peak prog era...
    Lifeson was a huge lover of the EP3 as I recall. His sound back then is one of the primary reasons I picked up the guitar.
    Thanks so much guys - just another clear example of why, sometimes, old stuff can be just so incredibly sublime. :D
    There is just quite often a fantastic amount of good-ness in the "imperfections" of analog/mechanical tech.
    A digital reproduction of the Mona Lisa can be terrific. But there only ever will be one original Mona Lisa, with all its "flaws" and inherent character.

    • @alexmurphy5289
      @alexmurphy5289 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lifeson is my biggest inspiration and I love every tone he's ever had. I must have a clone of this pedal. Must.

    • @michaelwoods9005
      @michaelwoods9005 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think he's more known for using Roland RE-201 space echoes.

  • @ajsrhodes
    @ajsrhodes 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have the Maestro Echoplex EP4 that belonged to Chet Atkins, I have to agree that it adds a certain warmth even when the echo is off. I love that you guys featured the EP3 on your show

  • @johngerson7335
    @johngerson7335 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Echoplex, every time...time...time...time...Would really enjoy seeing a demo comparing the EP3 and the Binson Echorec. Thanks for the great vid guys!

  • @chrislegge7057
    @chrislegge7057 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It's like the cars of the 60's and 70's if you still have one.Ok for a Sunday drive,but you wouldn't trust it to get to work everyday.Timeline all the way for me, it's simply the best all round delay pedal.

    • @ceez3841
      @ceez3841 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Says you and only you

    • @007Elvisofnazareth
      @007Elvisofnazareth 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Chris Legge... 60's & 70's American cars will still be running reliably long after whatever POS your currently paying off for the next 5 years is recycled for scrap metal. So will that Echoplex.

  • @andrewt248
    @andrewt248 8 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    ...and there are people on the planet who have no concept of rewinding a cassette tape with a #2 pencil.

    • @EzyoMusic
      @EzyoMusic 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Dang. I did that by hand.

    • @alexhiggin
      @alexhiggin 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      andrewt248 Or by Bic pen.
      I usually just use the cassette deck itself to rewind.

    • @rocker801
      @rocker801 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      And yet it only worked about 40 percent of the time haha

    • @MrCrapheadist
      @MrCrapheadist 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      What's a #2 pencil?

    • @maxraz-liebman512
      @maxraz-liebman512 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Is that bad?

  • @siryba
    @siryba 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the most inspirational episodes yet. The EP3 genuinely knocked my socks off both when used as part of a clean and distorted sound. The description of it being used by Andy Timmonds to create an almost 'halo' effect is spot on. You also absolutely hit the nail on the head when you mentioned that the point of the show is to engender that sense of inspiration in players and not just to 'train spot' the subtle differences between units for its own sake. Excellent stuff!

    • @siryba
      @siryba 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry, that should have read Andy Timmons.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ah, cheers Simon, glad you dig it :)

  • @lsch958
    @lsch958 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am just really impressed by the level of knowledge this video presented (except that Dan got the term "flutter" wrong regarding the tape noise. I believe the blip they were hearing was actually a splice or kink in the tape, not flutter.
    Flutter is actually pitch variation caused by inconsistent tape travel in the tape path, and it's just like Wow, which is simply a slower pitch variation. The cause of wow and flutter is simply the tape speed being slightly inconsistent as the tape travels along the pinch roller, guide arms, tape heads, etc.

  • @kingdarko
    @kingdarko 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All your videos are outstanding, im learning a lot more from your show than just straight up pedal reviews.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +kingdarko cheers kingdarko, great to hear ;)

  • @neilslade
    @neilslade 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Noted- an EQ pedal, like the Caline 10 band eq or the MXR 10 band eq (via the EQ plus the gain) will function EXACTLY like an Xotic EP boost or the ep-3 preamp, but with more tonal versatility. Just set the EQ pedal to whatever gain you want, and add the low and/or high EQ as desired.

  • @The10000lbGorilla
    @The10000lbGorilla 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Getting into Gilmour territory once you kicked in the overdrive.

  • @tadhgleahy2264
    @tadhgleahy2264 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seriously lads I've never enjoyed my Friday cups of tea more than when watching that pedal show! Never stop.

  • @TakisMasterKey
    @TakisMasterKey 8 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Glorious Echoplex, not easy to duplicate guys!
    +That Pedal Show, could you do a show featuring the legendary Roland Space Echo RE-201?

  • @luckylicks3497
    @luckylicks3497 8 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    That Echoplex is UNBELIEVABLE.

  • @en_ray
    @en_ray 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I am absolutely sold on the timeline + ep booster... Might even be worth having the booster as an always on kinda deal, that low end lift and smooth thing it does is just lush.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, really is a special little booster

    • @benbutterworth7584
      @benbutterworth7584 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Ray Syed Oddly I didn't like the Xotic EP into my Mark V, it changed the tone too much. Dan recommended a J Rockett Archer and bought it from GigRig and it was gorgeous. Keeps the tone, low gains and a hint of treble, just bring out the harmonics of the clean channel.

  • @keefx5615
    @keefx5615 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Full disclosure: I love my EP Booster.
    Can we see a show called "Every Single Thing Sounds Better With An EP Boost Before or After (or Both?)"
    Why did we not run the EP Boost into the Echoplex?

    • @ronroskowske6047
      @ronroskowske6047 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The boost is already in the echoplex.

  • @onionkeeper
    @onionkeeper 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    .. echoplex is glorious. it sounds spacious and musical. timeline + ep boster or memory man + ep booster are both nice but sound dull and dry in direct comparison (might be settings too, to be fair). sigh. how did they get so many things to sound so awesome in the old days? seems unfair.. well, at least hearing the real thing helps when tweaking the modern stuff. good tip about not overdoing the high end roll-off btw. thanks guys!

  • @MrBrownstonee
    @MrBrownstonee 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Proves what i've been saying for years. Everybody needs an EP booster. Best little pedal ever.

  • @Chandler17447
    @Chandler17447 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    you guys have inspired me to spend all of my money on an EP3

  • @middle_pickup
    @middle_pickup 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would also like to point out the fact that the DMM 1100ms model that you guys are playing with is MUCH darker at longer delay times that a typical DMM. Which, in my opinion, furthers the need for the EQ in the loop.

  • @jonathandiaz2435
    @jonathandiaz2435 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was never a big fan of tape delay. But mainly because I always heard them through digital pedals. But wow blown away by the Echoplex.

  • @Stev0BabaGhanoush
    @Stev0BabaGhanoush 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dan! Mick!
    I just happened to play a real EP-3 today and it blew my mind how incredible it sounded. I'm now in the market for one. Just kind of funny how I played it today and immediately afterwards, found your video.
    Truly, it's a beautiful thing. Absolutely incredible.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ah, yep, there's nothing quite like it :)

  • @GazCal
    @GazCal 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In the words of Brian May.. .. "A little bit more of the delay stuff".. "If you can get hold of a couple of delay machines, they don't have to be anything very special, they can be.. umm.. old Echoplex's or something like that ".. classic !

  • @jordandelacruz1866
    @jordandelacruz1866 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Found a 72/73 ep3 over the summer for $600. Now part of my retro rig. 76 Sg/ 78 Les Paul/78 Marshall JMP and just got Marshall Guv'Nor pedal. Your show an inspiration though my GAS and bank account not happy! Thanks for all your hard work!

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Bruce Wayne well, sorry to your bank account, but happy you're enjoying the show :))))

  • @LukeTozer
    @LukeTozer 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    The EP-3 has such an evocative ambience, so rich and gorgeous.
    This is yet another video that confirms to me that I need an EP Booster in my life!

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Luke. Yeah, great pedal to have

  • @denislavdenchev2572
    @denislavdenchev2572 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    8:14 - I totally agree with you.But I'm not sure it's fair to compare the ep-3 with the memory man since it is BBD(Bucket-Brigade-Delay) technology.Both delays have their character though and I too love both of them.
    6:26 - I have the same reaction every time I hear a good vintage delay.
    Great video!

  • @Groovemaster2000
    @Groovemaster2000 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    You might already know this, but the EP Booster has two dip switches inside that can be adjusted to cut off the brightness (it is set in bright setting as default). I have two EP boosters just because one is in default settings and the other one is set with the bright switch off. Great show as usual.

  • @davidrg1550
    @davidrg1550 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this video has totally changed my mindset on delay, brilliant stuff

  • @flatsix666
    @flatsix666 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks guys, great lesson and very much enjoyed. I use an Xotic EP into a El Capistan and have now used the secondary function of the Tape Age control to brighten the repeats and its sounds 'extra' killer now!
    Never realised just how full and equal the repeats are with the original Maestro Echoplex EP-3 till your video clearly demoed !

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's great Kosofffan, yes, the repeats are so full, really important part of the equation to get that magic :)

  • @boe466
    @boe466 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @3:23 Perfect answer to the question! :D

  • @dannyblau3850
    @dannyblau3850 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    EP Booster in front of the timeline sounds like secret sauce for the timeline. That got REALLY close.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +Danny Blau yeah, a great little EP3 hack ;)

    • @dannyblau3850
      @dannyblau3850 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +That Pedal Show Sold enough that after a couple other things, I am picking up an EP Booster to start doing it. I just picked up a PettyJohn Predrive. Could you guys eventually do a Preamp pedal show?

    • @BluesLicks101
      @BluesLicks101 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed - a preamp TPS vid would be great!

  • @SeanAsheOfficial
    @SeanAsheOfficial 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I had a timeline once before but sold it as it didn't get much use. I have been contemplating what delay I will be going with and.. Timeline it is (again) :) Great vid

    • @SeanAsheOfficial
      @SeanAsheOfficial 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Neerav Gupta The sounds I've heard in various A/B has made me a bit more interested in the TL. just a personal preference thing. The dd500 seems real nice too

    • @gabriel_levi
      @gabriel_levi 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dude, in the same exact boat right now. Traded my Timeline for a Mobius and now really miss the Timeline! Looks like it's time for another!

    • @jfo3000
      @jfo3000 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I got the Big Sky, loved it so much I got the Timeline. I will never get rid of either of these devices. I'm getting the Mobius next.

    • @gabriel_levi
      @gabriel_levi 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      *****, Big Sky was my first Strymon pedal. Still my favorite to this day. Cheers!

    • @jfo3000
      @jfo3000 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I can get lost for hours in either the Big Sky or the Timeline. I bought an Echoplex in '78, used for $400...a lot for a high school kid making $2.65 an hour. Now Strymon is giving us so much more , amazing sounds for the buck...it's a great time to be playing guitar right now!

  • @napalmhardcore
    @napalmhardcore 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've been checking out a lot of modern stuff that aims to replicate older equipment. While searching I stumbled across the Fulltone Solid State Tape Echo. I'm surprised you didn't mention it (unless you did and I wasn't paying attention).

    • @SwirlyWhirlyXYZ
      @SwirlyWhirlyXYZ 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes! Compare to the solid state and tube versions of the Fulltone Tape Echos

  • @user-re4fm1kn4j
    @user-re4fm1kn4j 8 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    It's could be interesting to compare Echoplex or T-Rex Replicator with Catalinbread Belle Epoch

    • @ThorstenNZ
      @ThorstenNZ 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Роман Колтыгин yeah, would love to hear the Catalinbread Belle Epoch in the comparison as well

    • @saschanorbert4899
      @saschanorbert4899 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Neerav Gupta i would like to watch/ hear that too. Cause the timeline is a great unit but I think the el capistan get's deeper into the tape concept and is a better digital clone. None the less this was an entertaining and informing half hour.

    • @napalmhardcore
      @napalmhardcore 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Роман Колтыгин Was checking the comments to see if anyone had mentioned it. If nobody had, I would have.
      I've been checking out a lot of Catalinbread pedal videos lately. All the pedals of theirs that I've checked out sound amazing.

    • @jamessouleyrette3370
      @jamessouleyrette3370 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know Eric Johnson was using 3 if the Catalinbreads on the Experience Hendrix Tour.

    • @googleexgreecian
      @googleexgreecian 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I actually typed up my own comment before I saw someone mentioned this. Leaving out the belle epoch seems like an oversight based on what I've heard online. Perhaps, they couldn't get one.
      I'd also like to the the non-tape echoplex products (pre-amp and digital delay) in their to see if they make any difference in getting that echoplex sound relative to the other brands.

  • @samatkinsphotography
    @samatkinsphotography 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perfect timing...Just made a mug of tea! I too have the exact same delay units but recently had the EP3 serviced with a must needed change of ropey/aged internals which has changed the sound all for the better (certainly a lot less noisy!). I have to say though that since getting the Replicator all other tape delays are redundant....For now!

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Sam, yeah, can't wait to get it here, sounded amazing in LA

  • @TheHowardSinclair
    @TheHowardSinclair 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the finest sounds I've ever heard was my lap-steel through a WEM Copycat tape echo - nothing in the world like it!

  • @elektrodenio
    @elektrodenio 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That Echoplex makes me speechless...

  • @elektrodenio
    @elektrodenio 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video totally changed my way of thinking about analog delays.
    And that echoplex sounds really clear and pristine,a bit like a digital delay actually.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +elektrodenio yeah, it's surprising that a great sounding digital delay can actually get closer to tape than many analog delays

  • @TechMetalRules
    @TechMetalRules 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Every time Mick gets the Strat out...so sweet!

  • @dostacos1
    @dostacos1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That Echoplex is something else.

  • @evankeal
    @evankeal 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video changed me, that original amp is amazing, I picked up Dunlops Ep3 and Preamp, but the original Ep3 amp is my favorite pedal, not that I have one. The Dunlop Pre was pretty nice, can't quite make out what its doing until you turn it off, then you never turn it off again.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, those original preamps are so great

  • @pickerpelletier1
    @pickerpelletier1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh Lord I love my EP booster, so much that I got one for my small and bigger pedalboard. This pedal just simply makes your tone better ! Some use it as a boost pedal but I have it on all the time, it's my mojo pedal :)

  • @jordandedomusic
    @jordandedomusic 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really enjoyed this one, thanks guys
    If you do a part 2, please get ahold of an El Capistan and Belle Epoch! I had my El Cap and real Echoplex side by side and they were very similar in some ways. The El Cap can recreate that unpredictable crinkle and "flutter" sound to some degree. Overall it has a cleaner sort of sheen to it but it's very close.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Certainly, part 2 on the way :)

  • @heliobluesrock
    @heliobluesrock 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've heard Eric Johnson still uses his EP3's since 70's... and they're still working marvelously!!!!!!!!!!

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If maintained and serviced they'll last a long time for sure ;)

    • @TheCallen67
      @TheCallen67 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He's recently replaced them with a Belle Epoch.

    • @heliobluesrock
      @heliobluesrock 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      George O'Donoghue Thanks for sharing this information! Belle Epoch is great!

  • @pontesmarcelo70
    @pontesmarcelo70 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Congratulations, great review on Echoplex EP 3 and other pedals . The best review of all I've seen. Beautiful work. I also have a Echoplex EP3 I love and not undo me for anything in the world. You have done an exquisite work , in great detail. It was great wow!!!! Thanks.

  • @mateorguitar
    @mateorguitar 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ha, Echoplex! My dad used to play through one back in the 70's. Really special sound. And vid is great as always guys, give us more & more!

  • @bwall615
    @bwall615 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One word for the EP-3... LUSH!! Love it.

  • @sduke39
    @sduke39 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The EP-3 is just sooooo pure! Love all the delays but dat EP-3!

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, it really is something special

  • @jonne_b
    @jonne_b 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great comparison! Those dropouts in the repeats in the EP3 is usually the tape loop splice running over the record head the exact moment it records the signal. Super tight splice can sometimes avoid this if you don't like it but hey, it's tape!

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ah yes of course, the splice :) cheers Jonne

  • @wreckoningday
    @wreckoningday 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would've loved to have heard the Catalinbread Belle Epoch or the Wampler Faux Tape Echo in comparison to the real deal. Great show. Nothing beats the real thing!

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yep, that's coming up in part 2 :)

    • @matteojones
      @matteojones 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +That Pedal Show i would also be curious to know how other real tape delays compare. like the roland, fulltone and trex

  • @chrislegge7057
    @chrislegge7057 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's like the cars of the 60's and 70's OK for a Sunday drive but you wouldn't trust them to get you to work and back every day.Timeline all the way for me, it's just so versatile and reliable.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, it's a lot of care and maintenance, but it's a very special sound.

  • @HalfwayHouseLV
    @HalfwayHouseLV 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I dont know why but the memory man just resonated with me. def my next pedal purchase. thanks always for the vids guys!!

  • @sbirkey
    @sbirkey 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this show. I'd watch it everyday! Great to see you both respond to soo many comments.

    • @sbirkey
      @sbirkey 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Going to spend hours tweaking my tc flashback now. ..

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching Simon!

  • @musicnphotos1
    @musicnphotos1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Echoplex is the ultimate! There are a few pedals attempting to emulate the sound. Strymon has another pedal called the El Capistan dTape Echo. Dunlop has 2 pedals, one for a delay pedal, and a separate preamp pedal. There’s also the Wampler Faux Tape Echo, the Empress Vintage Modified Superdelay, the Catalinbread Echorec, and the Catalinbread Belle Epoch. I would love to see a shootout with your opinions. Thanks!

  • @TheCallen67
    @TheCallen67 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's worth mentioning that analog delays don't get darker as a mistaken attempt at emulating tape; rather the bucket brigade chips generate high frequency clock noise and the only way to get rid of it is with a low pass filter at the end of the circuit. Great demo though, that's a really well maintained EP3! The degradation and warble is usually way more present in units I've heard (which is not necessarily a bad thing mind you!).

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi George, was actually talking about the tape emulation on digital pedals. So many of them use a simple filter on the repeats to 'emulate' tape. Just wanted to show hat tape is actually a very full frequency repeat :)

    • @TheCallen67
      @TheCallen67 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fair enough, but in the video you don't specifically mention digital when you're talking about the EP3's repeat frequencies, you just say 'what nearly everyone gets wrong' and then bring up the Carbon Copy and play the Memory Man. So people could get the impression you mean analog delays as well as digital emulations.

  • @vectorstain
    @vectorstain 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    ...and then there's the amazing El Cap.

  • @chrisjohnston3077
    @chrisjohnston3077 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That EP-3 is fucking GLORIOUS!!! Love it!

  • @NickJennison
    @NickJennison 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great demo lads. Remember, the Strymon's controls re-map on dTape to give you access to tape age, crinkle, wow and flutter etc, which might account for the artefacts you're hearing.

  • @ChrisWeinhardt
    @ChrisWeinhardt 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man I love your videos, looking forward to how this channel is going to evolve!
    Good job guys!

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cheers Chris, we have some fantastic stuff coming up :)

  • @DomSchu
    @DomSchu 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I love delay. It's a bit of a problem

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      We share that problem Dom

  • @SMAWA9
    @SMAWA9 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That memory man ❤

  • @richardchester2703
    @richardchester2703 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loving all of these videos, amazing work guys! Probably late to the party and still saving the many requisite pennies for an EP3, RE 201 and EchoRec 2... In the meantime, Preset 45 B on the Timeline (EEPlex) with a Wet Dry Wet rig is keeping me very happy indeed :)

  • @MrBingping
    @MrBingping 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just bought a roland re-150 space echo, and I've honestly never really been a fan of delay, but goddamn the thing sounds so good I can't turn it off! Now I understand fully the cult following for tape units!

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +MrBingping yeah, they just sound so freaking great

    • @KyleWhitlock-Music
      @KyleWhitlock-Music 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for this wonderful review!

  • @michael_caz_nyc
    @michael_caz_nyc 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow - there is " Something " about The Echoplex EP-3 that is Truly Orgasmic - for Guitar Players. Its seems as though, Everyone who Plays One . . . get that Sonic Euphoria. Its almost-as-if: Nothing Else Will Do ??? ( Dan? Mick ? ) Your Thoughts . . .

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Michael Caz yep, spot on. There is simply nothing like the real thing

  • @alandalton701
    @alandalton701 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That echoplex is beautiful. Wow.

  • @muse-mech-moda
    @muse-mech-moda 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That Echoplex EP-3 ... Gosh, it's beautiful.

  • @allfortonechannel8979
    @allfortonechannel8979 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always have to come back to these tape and analog delay vids!!!

  • @jorgetenamusic
    @jorgetenamusic 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree with Mike, there's something about the echoplex... if it sounds like that on youtube it must sound magical!! Timeline + EP Booster really surprised me. You guys are great, thanks!!

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's the sort of unit that just makes you want to play, so inspiring :)

    • @jorgetenamusic
      @jorgetenamusic 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +That Pedal Show sorry about Mike instead of Mick!

  • @PaisleyWilde
    @PaisleyWilde 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is one I've been waiting for!

  • @gladfam8967
    @gladfam8967 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have an early 70's EP-3...love it, used it for years. To my ears, the Belle Epoch is the closest I've ever heard to it.

  • @TheTinMan123
    @TheTinMan123 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ep-3 is outstanding

  • @PhilHeesen
    @PhilHeesen 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic tones, guys! Dan's Tele through the Carpe Diem drive sounded really great. I can't wait for you guys to do a show on the Replicator! As always, best guitar show on TH-cam!

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheers Phil, I have the tracking info for the Replicator so I am beyond excited :))

  • @JacobH93
    @JacobH93 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    The echoplex sounded absolutely amazing, but once the dirt was thrown in I think I liked the ep booster + timeline a little more. I think it had to do with that little bit of high end roll off. The cleans on the EP3 though... just unbelievable. Great video and made me really want to go out and spend some money...

  • @mlow113
    @mlow113 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please do a show with that echoplex compared to the Dunlop Ep103, Belle Epoch, El Capistan, and such, along with the Ep101 preamp, Xotic EP booster and any other pedals of that vein. Would love to hear what you guys come up with. Love the show

  • @JaredKerim
    @JaredKerim 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think you can get closer to the real EchoPlex if you put the EP Booster in the FX loop of the Timeline instead of before it, or if you're as crazy as me, put one before AND one in the FX loop (both at 18v), then your repeats are huge and thick and lush. Try it, Dan!

  • @SoundsandImages
    @SoundsandImages 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What stunning tones! The timeline with the ep boost and carpe diem sounded a better balance than the memory man to me, the memory man just sounded a bit too dark. Might have to give Dan a call when the time comes for his geniousness...

  • @LXferg
    @LXferg 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lucky enough to own at least 3 of these: the Echoplex EP3 the Timeline and ARDX. The EP3 is a wonderful thing but it mainly stays at home for recording purposes and I love it, but I must say I was impressed with the EP booster and Timeline as a reasonable compromise. I also like how it sounded with the Memory man and ARDX , I reckon it would sound fine with my old Boss DM2 as well!. Thanks for the video gents always hitting the mark! :-)

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheers mate. Yeah, great compromise, they sounded great, but as a tape machine junky like yourself, there's just something about the real thing ;)

  • @jaydenfriesen
    @jaydenfriesen 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gotta add, you don't need a preamp in front of the DMM. It has its own preamp that sounds lovely. I find the sweet spot is at noon on the gain knob.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheers +Jayden Friesen yes, the MM preamp is great, been using it for years. What we were experimenting with is if using the EP pre in front of other delay engines would result in a sound closer to the EP3

    • @jaydenfriesen
      @jaydenfriesen 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +That Pedal Show Gotcha. I personally love the DMM preamp. It's almost a part of my sound. All these delays sound close, yet unique in their subtle nuances. Thanks for the great video.

  • @quibster
    @quibster 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Bea's GigRig rundown/tonal showdown bonanza coming soon?

  • @gordrock
    @gordrock 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm really glad you mentioned the inspiration and excitement. When Mick goes in his Hendrix blues giant haze you can tell that it and he has the mojo. EP and Timeline was very surprisingly close, the trails lose definition and degrade and get darker a lot faster than the echoplex

    • @gordrock
      @gordrock 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also as an aside, listening to early Van Halen on tape as a kid was the best. Also passion and warfare is also best heard on cassette.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, we lost him for a bit there

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for picking up on that Andrew (Mick here). There's sooooooo much debate about 'sound' when it comes to guitar tones, but at least 50 per cent of the equation is 'feel'. For me Tone = Sound+Feel. I wish it was something that we could measure or comment on objectively, but I don't think it works like that. When you record a guitar tone, you really only get the sound in terms of EQ, gain structure and those things. The feel is in the playing and the inspiration in my opinion. Ergo, for me anyway, no feel means crap playing. (Insert every digital amp that every existed here, even though the 'sound' is virtually indistinguishable at times.) It's a purely personal thing and everyone's 'feel' requirements are different of course. Maybe more detail than you wanted, but it's something that I wish more people could experience in person. That Pedal Show Live, anyone?

    • @gordrock
      @gordrock 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +That Pedal Show As you would probably know from me now, I agree 100%. That's what we all do it for. Those inspirational moments where you are just being creative. Like the first time I put a 335 with a deja vibe with an el capistan I ended up in post rock bliss. Sometimes we get lost in the "how do to we get there" rather than just getting there.

    • @gordrock
      @gordrock 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +That Pedal Show as for the live show, absolutely! But in Australia and by Australia I mean Tasmania. ;)

  • @Vegasnerveuk
    @Vegasnerveuk 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi guys. Another amazing show. If have to say I've been a bit of a "that pedal show" addict for a while now. Have you guys considered a kind of "pimp my pedalboard" feature. The idea would be that you visit a lucky subscriber and using your expertise to transform their pedalboard from shocking to rocking. Needless to say that if you were looking for a Guinea pig for such a feature I would be happy to oblige.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes! Love this idea :)

    • @TheSpiffyBiscuits
      @TheSpiffyBiscuits 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +That Pedal Show
      That's a brilliant idea! The "before and after' sounds comparison would be fascinating.

  • @mbstudio89
    @mbstudio89 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    22:08 mick you nailed it !!! what a sound an playing. loved it

    • @mbstudio89
      @mbstudio89 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Manuel Borges I ment 22:42

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      What's 34 seconds between friends Manuel? :0) Thank you for the kind words. Those tones are very inspiring I have to say!

    • @mbstudio89
      @mbstudio89 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +That Pedal Show 25:43 stole that lick! would love to hear some new pedals like some of bogner or suhr :)

  • @goldendrums6657
    @goldendrums6657 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    that EP-3 kills the others...thick and clear and natural..
    EP booster definately did make Timeline thicker.. but timeline's delay lost alanog thickness inside..
    it's hard to compensate them all by boosting.. because there's already no information of the sound there..(digitalized)
    for instance natural midrange..or depth etc..

  • @wrekkingcru
    @wrekkingcru 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Just started watching your channel...this video was epic :) ...would love to have heard the EP Booster with the Strymon El Capistan vs the real Echoplex

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Coming up in part 2 :)

    • @wrekkingcru
      @wrekkingcru 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +That Pedal Show - suh-weet :) Look forward to it!

    • @smitto71
      @smitto71 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Would love to see the Empress Tape Delay as well.

    • @BluesLicks101
      @BluesLicks101 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      They did that a little after 15 mns in.

  • @Fsuholley
    @Fsuholley 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mick: "Blinking Blimey's". Haha. Soundbite heaven. Great episode mates.

  • @TheCallen67
    @TheCallen67 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hate to be a picky bugger, but there are a couple comments in the video which are incorrect: Wow and flutter is not caused by tape splices, but by inconsistencies in motor speed or stretching of the tape. It affects any rotary driven analog device, including turntables and cassette recorders, with wow being the slower, low frequency distortion in pitch and flutter being the faster, higher frequency distortion in pitch, amplitude, and phasing. Tape splices usually manifest simply as dead spots in a tape loop. Secondly, while it is marketed as such, the EP booster is actually not the 'exact same circuit' as an EP3 preamp- not that close at all actually. Not to say it doesn't sound great or get you into the ballpark of 'that' sound. The Chase Secret Preamp and Clinch FX EP-PRE are the most accurate solid state Echoplex preamps currently available, with the former even using the same NOS components and both running at the correct higher voltages.

  • @billsherrington5996
    @billsherrington5996 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great show as always guys! The echo plex sounds incredible and reminds me of being in a Charing Crossroad guitar shop in the mid 70s and hearing a great guitarist play a Roland re201! I have an Empress vintage super delay and ep3 with comes pretty close too.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheers Bill, I've had a few Soace Echos, great units. The Empress is fantastic too :)

  • @middle_pickup
    @middle_pickup 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    The cool thing about the DMM is that you can use an eq in the effects loop. You can tailor the tone just slightly, and get massive results.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Zachary Drummond yes, and the eq pedal is a great idea

  • @_jonnyp
    @_jonnyp 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hate to keep repeating myself (boom!), but great show! With clean tones the Echoplex was undisputed for me, but when Mick started playing with the overdrive before the Timeline and Memory Man I totally forgot about listening to the repeats and just enjoyed that glorious sound!

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheers Jonny. Yeah, it's the EP3 for me everytime. Certainly one that needs to be experienced:)

  • @TheSterlingSound
    @TheSterlingSound 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video, too bad you did not include the Catalinbread Belle Epoche... which has an inbuilt EP pre-amp.

  • @JiltedMonkey
    @JiltedMonkey 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd love to see with these "Let's see if this gorgeous old analogue pedal sounds like this nasty new solid state one" videos, a blind test. It's all good and well getting all gushy about old tech, but unless you're a seasoned pedal expert (Dan) I reckon most folks couldn't tell the difference. (I do really love your videos btw!)

  • @CharcoaI
    @CharcoaI 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is your weekly message asking for a link to grab one of those shirts!

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      We'll run it up the corporate ladder :) working on it ;)

    • @POGFROGULPOP
      @POGFROGULPOP 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +1

  • @marcellavorat
    @marcellavorat 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'ts fabulous vintage sound using Carpe Diem of Fire Custom Shop with EP3....great tones and so clear beams .....Congratulations!!! Awesome video.

  • @mrcali68
    @mrcali68 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    6:43 YES! Well said.