WHY ART will NEVER Be as POPULAR as MUSIC
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00:00 Intro
01:34 Music and art are closely related
07:09 Why everybody likes music
13:29 Follow the money
17:20 When music and art trade roles
20:20 Can visual art become as popular as music?
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I am an artist living and working in France. I learned the techniques of the Atelier of the Nineteenth century and now I try to share some of my knowledge with the rest of the world, because I think that beauty still has an important role to play in artistic creation. I do mostly drawing and oil painting, and my goal is always to provide techniques, thoughts and explanations that can be useful to anyone, from beginners to more advanced artists.
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As a painter I have always felt that art speaks to the higher mind, while music speaks directly to the soul. I wouldn't want to live without either.
Yes, you are exactly right ! May I Repost this Grate quote ?
I'm a artist and a musician.. I did a experiment and played piece "Fur Elise" on my grand piano but it wasn't that respected in my country, I did art that took me 4 hours and it was appreciated from other people so much. The difference here is that music is hard to play on instruments, no disrespect Art is also hard but the peice I was playing takes much more time than the artwork did... Art is respected but Music is harder and popular
It has been a joy making this video with you, Florent! Thank you for the discussion, I hope it will inspire and bring insight to people watching🙌
Something that art and Musical have in Commonwealth is, that they can reach directly the heart. Musical by Tones, art by colours. ❤💜
Music and fine art/painting are like apples and oranges. They’re both creative endeavors and in my experience, have both touched my heart deeply depending on the piece, even to the point of tears.
You can do the same thing backwars. Music (classical music concert) never going to be as popular as art (digital illustration and graphic design online)
Looking at purely as media, people are way more exposed to images (moving and non-moving) than music. We are bombarded with images everyday and all of those images are prepared and designed in some fashion to communicate something. Most of it isn’t classified as “art” but there is some aspect of art in these “disposable” images.
It's called illustration and it's still art whether it's "disposable" or not. These days what goes for "art" is dictated by galleries, auction houses, and ultra-wealthy investors money laundering and evading taxes.
I definitely need music when I'm painting, without it I find my painting is flat, dry and just "lacking" umph! It allows us to feel the feeling, if music is time, and painting is space, it brings either the past, present or the now into reality. Well this is the way it makes me feel.
Thank you for your knowledge and insight 🙏🏼
Visual art IS as popular as music. Classical/ traditional music is just as unpopular as its equivalent in visual art. Popular art is found everywhere in video games, cartoons, children's books, decoration etc. Its not as beautiful as Michelangelo but neither is pop music compared to Bach.
Thank you for the thought provoking topic.
Wow now that i think about it, thats such a good way to put it!
Wrong popular art is more beautiful than Michelangelo
The 60s involved creatives from different fields rubbing shoulders and cocreating and a lot of art involved popularized images. Fascinating. I loved some of the the old art posters, record album art, movie posters. They weren't always mere decor.
This is something I always thought about. I can't wait to watch!
Thanks for sharing your thought in art and music! Interesting video.
Bonjour Florent! I truly enjoyed your dissertation on this topic. It made me stop and think about the nature of art and its purpose as well as creators' purpose. Merci!
Really interesting video and point of thought Florent!
The thing to listen music when drawing change our perception is so true. When I draw personnal work, I like to listen music that motivate me, like a workout session.
But when I study seriously anatomy or something like that, I am on total silence. That weird, but it work well for me.
'It thrives in spite of its blatant unpopularity' ... demonstrating Cy Twombly.
Well expressed!
Couldn't agree more with you ...like you said: 'what matter is to make the art, no matte what'! Thank you!!!
Art is more physiological than music. Sight is more physiological than sound. Sound has a higher vibration than sight.
This content is so precious to me. Ill listen a lot to it for sure.
It’s a great video-I’ve been thinking about it for long. I wish you would have listed the artists you mention below in the description though 🙏🏻
I tried to figure out the elements that make a good piece of art by asking people in shops what they like to see in a painting. This was under the instructions of an art sociologist, however what one likes in one painting does not mean that it would work in another. This experiment was carried out in Exeter England in the late 1970s. The green woman was popular as well with hunting scenes, and steam engines. This was not necessary for the elites, but for the working man, who did not have much money, however some would say that they would pay a little each week for the loan. Unfortunately civilisation has gone backward as the elites want many to have a visual ID and less money.
Great narrative
I agree with you sir
Thank you Florian for the incisive talk.
Excellent discussion, however, I propose that the view is short-sighted and limited to the present. I would propose the factor of "time". With time, the visual arts have an advantage. For example, the. "Winged Victory" or Tut's golden mask, or, older yet the Lascaux Caves, who is not familiar with these examples?. How many Egyptian, Greek or pre-historic pieces of music can you name?
Although I agree with the fact that any piece of music older than a millenia is basically unknown, even to those who claim to know everything about ancient art, while we can easily identify paintings and sculptures that date back to the paleolitic, it is important to take into account the medium in which these pieces were created. A sculpture made of stone can be preserved fairly easily, without worrying too much about external conditions that might degrade its shape. Meanwhile, music is intangible, and as such, it can't be ever fully preserved without recordings. If we barely know what kind of music Pythagoras was into, that is because musical memory, as any other kind of memory, tends to degrade with time, and eventually fades. Any tunes made before the X century are impossible to reconstruct, but every song composed after this time, when proper musical notation was created, has been preserved and can be played accurately to this day. In fact, there are countless "old" songs which are actually quite known by the general public (look up the video "What is the oldest song you know?'" by Polyphonic). Just as people would've forgotten about the beauty of greek sculptures over time if they had been destroyed, the same thing happens to music. In the end, it all depends on the medium.
I like so much this video,thank you to share these informations for us...!
"Art" is an exclusive way of laundering money and validating identity.
Art can be unique, limited edition, mass produced or anywhere in-between.
It's an act of communication. When actively viewing or listening to something, you are entering into a contract with it. You give it your time - and potentially the creator of it your money. It gives you the entertainment value, or communicated sentiment that you're looking to acquire, either active or passive. Whether you get the same communicated message that was intended by the creator of the piece is going to vary.
Anything else is just degrees of elitism and associated or applied weight or value. The scarcity of the item also ties into communication of a different sort. It says "I have something you don't" that has little to do with the piece of work.
The first thing that came to my mind when comparing todays music industry with the art industry is art for card games, video games and movies. Of course it is not totaly compareable since the audience of for example videosgames does not primerly focus on the art itself but still it is more in focus than gallery art. Also with Instagram pictures and paintings got a bit of boost in my opinion.
I had the same thought yesterday about visual art compared to the are of writing, which is even harder to get noticed by people than visual arts because it takes way more time to read a book.
great video as always!! :)
I think another example of mass producing visual arts are mangas/webtoons and 3D Games (or any animation), I think it happens to be consist both of appreciation of space and time (primary focus of story telling) that's somewhat becomes very popular nowadays.
Both my husband and I have cousins whose art has been or will be popularized in game card decks, tarot decks, comic books, and/or graphic novels. My artist cousin has one and a half of his feet in the fine art direction of things. I'd buy poster sized renditions, reproductions, of tarot card, art or art that appears in card games like Dungeons and Dragons, etc. Some of it is amazing.
Thank you for a very interesting video Florent about a complex subject. Slightly off track maybe and I am not an art intellectual by any stretch of the imagination, so I hope this makes sense. Would you class comic books as visual art?, I think reading comics was probably my first contact with the art work of others as a child, then Disney films, cartoons and learning songs via a visual shared experience. I would draw characters from the animated films I loved. Fantasia was a delectable experience with the music expressing the visual. This gave me a love of drawing etc, which I carried on into adult hood. I think for many, comic books and animated films may be their only contact with the visual art world. My daughter is a musician, but she also loves to draw digitally, she probably sees far more digital art works than traditional art in a gallery anywhere, and she honed her piano skills as a teenager learning by ear and playing the music of her favourite anime films. Sometimes music and art merge in a shared experience, inspiring both of the arts at the same time.
They are both as popular as ever with tv and smartphones, everytime we see an advertisement it containes visual art and music.
Artists should take the responsibility to make deep truth and touching beauty. especially at now， people get stuck in too many problems ，life filed with disturbance， if there is less people could get in touch with good art， there would be more desperation， because we all know the great curative effects of art ，we've been the one who got healing. Artists and art should be enlightening， rescue ，not stay high above where people who need belong. That's my personally view.
Music is Art.
It's a different form of it but asking the question is like asking will flowers smell better than roses?
Good video but I don't know about the title
I listen to music when i paint and i like it loud rocking blues mainly but honestly when im wrapped up in the painting i dont remember hearing the music. It just finishes and i go oh! And start another cd or something. I suppose it is subconsciously influencing some aspects of my work. I sometimes paint no music and that doesnt seem much different as far as when that session is finished or time to take break. Its all fine unless there is something truly distracting me…..i got a puppy last Spring. Boy….must time my work with a long nap and i put her in a kennel. Only time i do. Like my daughter concluded. A work of art never made her cry whereas music has. So visual art is clearly less connected to emotions. I listen with the best of the listeners out there. True….distractions while painting is most upsetting! Not quite so with music listening. Observing art without any distraction i would see things i might change! I dont know how to play music. Just diddle around and its fun creative contemplative inspiring. Doing art is exciting at times but mostly work and lots in my brain going on….especially when color is involved. They just seem like two different worlds except that they can both be creative. The idea of making $ with art is just a nagging idea to pay for supplies and make somebody happy to have it ….maybe …someday…..or make me happy anyway. Prints are fine by me! Music is going to always be more popular i guess. On a side. I seldom care all that much about lyrics and Bob Dylan is a top shelf fave so i guess the same could be said regarding writing and music. Music more popular. Is that because its more easy? Maybe a person needs to be a lot evolved as they say in order to get deep in to the creative aspects of writing or visual art. Written stuff can make me cry too.
very amezing video visual art is also famous in animation when we see cartoons is also a Drawings which made by many frams of 2d drawings 😊
You have really good insights about the difference between art and music; sight and sound. Good art and good music can lift ones spirits; increase ones vibrations. I am hoping that this is the embodiment of being the artist or, and, musician. I think doing art or music for art or music's sake, is good for the artist or musician. Art or music should never be subjugated to finance. You border on genius! Van Gogh, no!
Yes, the VR technology will change the entire visual art industry. You will able to put your favorite paintings in your room or maybe bring them to live. You will able to see your painting through your window as a landscape
Music and visual arts go well together. They're complimentary. The main difference to me is that music is popularised by the media and visual arts is only popular in the visual art world like in art galleries museums. Art magazines ect. Visual art only becomes popular through the passing of time and even the most famous artists that were alive for instance picasso where only know in a few countries. In places such us latin america asia middle east and africa people might've know of pablo picassso but few might of actually seen Picasso's artworks Well as far as i know i believe that to be the case.
What do think of the advent of NFT in the fine art marketplace?
This a new form of contemporary art. We sell tweet, bad 3d rendering and weird avatars for millions. Again, it's a privilege for a small amount of people of our society.
Also, without already some famous on social media, TV or movie, it's almost impossible for an artist to think about a living with it.
More, there is a bad influence on the planet with fees and pollution with the trading.
I'm a bit disappointed when I see the result. I was happy to get something and finally some recognition for digital artist work , but it's a fail for me.
Homewer, for the moment. Because if the bubble didn't explode, then it would be a great opportunity in the futur and totally change art market world. But now, it's look like more a scam.
It's a scam.
Leonardo was also an accomplished musician, as well as an artist!
He was also not subjugated to papal mores.
ART will NEVER Be as POPULAR as MUSIC financially. IMO. I do agree with your perception.
If in the future the business model of visual art might be changed dramatically, for example, by many many ppl share the ownership of an art work, visual art might enjoy from popularity.
Do you consider digital artworks, such as graphic design and animation, popular visual art? Or do you think visual art needs to be completely silent (in your definition)? Picture storybooks which combine visual art with literature could be quite popular. And if video games are a type of visual art, then visual art can be very popular. So it is my humble opinion that visual art might not be as popular as music on its own, but combined with another type of art, visual art can have a clearer purpose for regular folks to appreciate and still make money from mass contribution.
When I started to be interested in visual art I noticed that more and more painters from today era that are making their living from selling inexpensive prints of they art work in as bigger numbers as possible. In a way they are copying the business model of music. Akiane Kramarik and Beau B. Frank
Architecture is the answer.
I mean... have you seen the progression of anime?? It's well on it's way to become main stream in it's own way
And I know it seems ridiculous talking about anime, but it is in fact a form of art and deserves to be talked about with the same level of detail as fine art
i see more of copies of artists work being sold at art fairs in the USA
They are usuaully laser phtocopies of the orginals..
music is part of performing arts, which would also include theatre, film, dance etc. If tv/film are under performing arts then it could be that music is second to watching screens. It may turn out that the visual artist whose work has been seen by more people on the Planet is none other than Bob Ross!!!
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Wouldn't an example of multiple copies of art being mass produced and sold at a low price be comic books? The general goal for comics are to appeal to as many people as possible. Especially those catering to younger audiences/teens. Indie comics and those appealing to an older audience...not so much.
I guess you can argue that comic book readers are a niche target audience as a whole as well though, I don't know.
Music is art
MUSIC IS ART...
I think visual art should be compared with classical/jazz music, which is non-commercial. Commercial music (pop music) should be compared to commercial art - animation/illustration/etc. Actually I know as visual art market is much bigger than classical music market. And I have more friends who are interested in visual art but not in classical music. And there are many people who draw/paint in game/animation style.
They are all beautiful, but apple can not compare to orange.
why not paint and play an instrument both....
Who cares? What becomes more popular and what doesn't.....when the person is deaf, he will value only art and when a person is blind, they will value only music and we don't live in that world.... Sometimes artist who paint make alot more money than musicians too....
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I don't think all your points are valid, actually people pay quite a bit for digital art commissions, and even the files themselves like nfts.
...What? You do know that animation and games count as art as well? Also its blaintly obvious, considering music has more to offer.
I disagree fundamentally with most all of your points!!
Dedicated my entire life engaged in the Visual Arts as an educator at all levels from K -College and am a musician as well. I teach Art Appreciation/History at the College level and my students are always amazed by how much the visual arts are in every aspect of our lives....not elitists at all!!!
Visual Art is by leaps and bounds more accessible & popular to the general public.
Your opinions are uninformed.
WHY ART will NEVER Be as POPULAR as MUSIC ? Think you got it ass-backward. No one but a few has or even knows the MUSIC that was popular or much less played back during Leonardo da Vinci's time today, but we know him and his art. the Art that stands the test of time indoors, Music is fleeting and fades quickly over time.
Because art is for intellectuals and music is for monkeys. Music is not art. Musicians are not artist. Music is monkey sounds.