Sea Of Solitude - Cry Me A River (Jimpressions)
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Sea of Solitude is the latest critical darling indie game about mental health. Throw it in with the others!
But seriously, it's pretty good. Y'know, it's fine. I like the big fish monster!
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I'm ashamed to say that for the past year I undervalued Jim's perspective on the industry simply reducing it as edgy content. There was a wall of text following the last sentence and I felt I had to delete it because it was turning into a small article. The point was it took a year for me to understand what motivates him, empathize with the work, and appreciate his importance as a person. For the sake of brevity, thank god for Jim.
Sidenote, I would have read your wall of text though.
I subbed to him 6-7 years ago I think, and then promptly unsubbed to him, but almost immediately was hit with other gaming news sources referencing him and needed to check back, and actually "got" him. The sarcasm and hyperbole flow fast and thick with Jim, and is the armor you must get through to see the absolutely lovely man behind it. He's been my fav TH-camr ever since.
And I should note his comment section is about as healthy as any on TH-cam. Intelligent and positive on the whole... on TH-cam. On... TH-cam.
Angry Applesauce it helps that commenters and commenters on comments are as eloquent and well-meaning as Jim is. Thank God for Jim Sterling - and the community he has fostered.
@@Mathghamhan Most comment sections you need armor for, but generally you could skinny dip here and nobody will call you out.
Also the only smarter comment section I've seen was the PBS Idea channel. What a bunch of Voltaires and Einsteins they were. ^.^
@@Psychol-Snooper I understand, it took me ages to 'get' his sense of humour. His hubris often masks his outrage, and may turn people off.
His video last week though. Damn.
7:26 "It didn't quite tug on me the way I had hoped." ~Jim Sterling
Saw another video on this and all I could think was 'seems like Alice: Madness Returns without the majority of the features.' That said, minimalism can be fine, even great, but they have to absolutely nail the few mechanics they do have.
Alice: Madness Returns was a masterpiece, overlooked because it was the follow-up to McGee's Alice and because it was developed by a chinese studio (and we all know that chinese = bad, right?) This is just a feminist forced diversity developer product (think they had an imposed "at least" 50% of the people working on it must be females, you could see from the video presenting the game at E3, focused more on the people working on the game than the actual game itself...) And, of course, it must have been EA publishing it because we all know how much EA loves virtue signaling, diversity and inclusion and... i'm gonna puke... And then they are wondering why people hate them because they're... EA
@@draxrdax7321 Muh forced diversity! Waaaaaah.
@@draxrdax7321 Speaking of Alice, this comment sure went down a fucking rabbit hole..
I'm of a slightly different mind on this: while I don't need these kinds of games to have thick juicy layers of mechanics to the point of obtuse maximalism, I'd rather they have a bit more to them than what they usually go with. In terms of the metaphors for dealing with mental illness, there are other ways you can go about it other than running away from the problems and avoiding them. In fact, running away from them seems like the WORST way you could address dealing with them, like saying "if you just ignore the bullies they'll go away eventually" and ending up hanged in the boy's toilets.
Combatting them is one ludic metaphor that could work, though it'd probably need to be more clever than just bashing them. Puzzles and deduction could also work for metaphorically working through one's issues, along with interacting with other characters in your world and getting them to understand you, contributing to making the final confrontation easier through unwrapping the root of the problem and the nature of its symptoms.
That's probably how I'd go about making a game about dealing with mental illness: try to figure out what the cause is, finding others to support you in your plight, work out how to weaken the monster that's eating away at you, and THEN engage in a final bossfight against the manifestation of your problems, whether that be using what you've learned in order to exploit the boss's weaknesses, or engaging in a battle of wits to wear down its influence over you.
@@draxrdax7321 forced diversity? They made the game. They can put in whomever they desire.
I feel like games about mental health almost become immune to criticism because of the subject matter.
It really shouldn't be that way.
That's why they make them
Same with movies that deal with the Holocaust or other heavy stuff. I don't agree too.
I would disagree based on the fact this video is literally full of criticism.
@@JimSterling You beat me to it, sir. People knowledgeable about the subject matter know you can do it wrong.
@@JimSterling Guessing Kristoffer was acknowledging your criticism and talking about most other critics.
I think making a game where "mental health" is the primary theme is actually pretty vague and lends itself to either an extremely direct or extremely disorganized premise and story. I think there are a number of games that include mental health themes, but it's not the ONLY theme. For example, the Persona series includes many mental health themes that are incorporated into the gameplay (i.e., when a person confronts the dark side of themselves and accepts it, they get stronger and have more abilities), but the games are also about other things and have decent gameplay. Celeste has a similar gameplay message about mental health (i.e., that you get stronger as you accept yourself) and has straightforward gameplay, but the gameplay mechanics and levels are very well made.
I think people are more than their mental illnesses, and I think games should be about more than just mental illness. There has to be something else there to supplement it or give context to it. All of that said, if a game can help someone and/or decrease the stigma of mental illness, I view it as a net positive.
The entire theme is worn out..Every other indie game is about mental health..We don't need any more mental health games..lol
It goes back to what you said about art games and Dear Esther: They're becoming ordinary.
It's like horror games that play out from the perspective of a child or are themed around corruption of childhood innocence. A-la, yes it's a good idea. And everyone else agrees, so you're going to need a little more than that.
Jimpression summary. What the game does, it does decently. Very pretty aesthetically but with some noticeable shortcuts. Gameplay is pretty phoned in, don't expect it to blow your mind, but it's good enough. Story is a bit too much on the nose but is done well enough. A decent game that Jim wants to like more than he actually does.
dont forget the Jason part...that was a very important part of the video
You might not have sole me on this game, but goddamn if you didn't sell me on Jason Lives!
I mean, his job is to criticize the game, not to sell it.
@@Coronatto If he praise the game then you probably buy it,if he's your source of information for game. You can be critical and like a game.
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@@Coronatto it's not his job to sell jason lives either and yet here he is doing just that!
Jim must just be having a off day after playing a game about depression
I know Jim doesn't normally review movies but he should for Spider-Man far from home because of Mysterio
Hopefully he'll at least review the porn parody.
You mean "Mysterio: far from home". Because in jim's eyes, Mysterio is the hero
@@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00 there's a porn parody WAIT DON'T ANSWER
u mean the far from home trailer on pornhub? Otherwise, i couldnt find it.
Perhaps I should have said *eventual porn parody, apologies for misleading.
The game is a visual delight. I would like to see more games by the same artistic team at least. The gameplay does look a little lackluster for me personally, but I'll still probalby pick it up eventually.
You should play rime then, phenomenal game.
@@CanImakeamilliondollars Rime was a good game. Personally I like SoS' color palette more appealing than Rime. It also seems like they let this game stay longer in the juice machine.
"The film starts with the weather on Jason's side!"
Jim Sterling, 2019, on _Sea of Solitude_
Your analysis of Jason Lives was incredible. Jason Lives is the best Friday the 13th movie: Don’t Change My Mind
"X is pretty good if you like that sort of thing." - Jim Sterling.
Should be the endorsement on the back of every game case.
I'd slap that among my game box testimonials without any endorsement whatsoever
Another game being a metaphor for mental health? Color me (unique weird art style) surprised!
heeeey, who's that swell guy in your avatar?
@@SpyroTheEternalNight a subway worker
yup another "let me waste a few hours of your time with nice graphics but no gameplay to get a point across if by the end of the journey we haven't forgotten about it", I mean vidya can be a form of art and whatever you want, but mind you not all art is good and not all art deserves that much of your time
@@D0NU75 Or maybe, just maybe, it's not meant for you and therefore you can't relate to it in order to appreciate it?
How many games are there apart from this and Hellblade?
I get whay you're saying. Back when Papo Y Yo came out it seemed like an amazing piece of art, but since then we've gotten so many similar experience thag they all blend together, and unlike Papo, they don't really use the gameplay to reinforce their themes, its just a way to get around the set pieces.
Jim talkin bout Jason Lives at 8:00m made me lol, but his sign off "wasting your time... sorry," was some comedic timing gold 😂❤
As someone who actually works in the mental health field, I find this game to carry its message across pretty well. And the art style really is soothing.
That Dragon, Cancer was kind of amazing and incredibly sad. Just wanted to remind everyone about that game.
Pinkie Pie looked boring asf
These indies should take a page from Celeste's book and remember to actually attach *a game* to these narratives.
But gameplay gets in the way of the art!
(Or at least, that's what I imagine all of those indies are saying.)
@@DanVzare Then choose another medium.
There is a game. It doesn't need to be overly complex to do its job, but I feel like everyone brushes off simplistic mechanics as "walking simulators." As long as the gameplay serves the narrative, it's doing it's job.
every developer sees gameplay in their own way
Looks somewhat reminiscent of "Submerged", another vaguely open submerged world explore-'em-up that also had a distinctly arty style, but it didn't have any mental health related themes and told its short and simple story through brief cutscenes. I enjoyed that more than I thought I would, so I'm probably going to enjoy this as well.
I literally thought this will be a late Sea of Thieves Jimpressions.
I so wanted Sea of Solitude to succeed...& for many reasons. One of them being having seen a video interview with the developer of the game Cornelia Geppert. It was like watching a child opening up boxes at Christmas & finding every single toy they'd asked Santa to bring them. She was basically so very happy & proud as she talked about the game & her journey with it's development.
Why has it not succeeded? It seems to be getting good reviews from both critics and players.
@@littlekitsune1 I have no idea why so many good Indie games don't sell all that well while way too many "not so great" AAA games do just based on the fact that they are AAA. Btw, 68 from critics & 69 from players on PS4 isn't bad, but it isn't "good" either. Still, it has done better on XBox.
@@whitecrow4982 Probably because Xbox players get a discount.
@@littlekitsune1A discount might mean more people getting the game but it wouldn't make them give it higher scores & on Metacritic it's 7.4 for Xbox. Thing is, it's based on only 17 reviews. Btw, the 6.9 on PS is from just 37 reviews & on PC 7.7 is from only 24. Bottom line is "whatever" number of people actually bought the game, very few took time to review it.
@@whitecrow4982 My logic was more people might have bought it on that platform, but hmm... That is indeed a shame if it's not getting reviewed much. At least the existing reviews are pretty good. I think this type of game is pretty niche, and since it didn't get advertised much after the E3 teaser, people probably forgot about it.
i still think there is some art in corniness. Why love Jason takes Manhattan rooftop boxing match scene.
I'm not going to lie: I didn't realize that "critical darling indie games about mental health" was a genre. Maybe I simply never thought about it or I don't play enough indie games.
This is a good review. Definitely gives a good overview of the pros and cons. I'm sort of with you, though--it's difficult to make time for games that aren't excellent in some way.
I can only think about Hellblade and this about games tackling mental health issues. Anyone know any others?
@@dreamerabe I have no idea. Out of curiosity, I went to Steam and searched for "mental health" and then refined by the "Indie" tag. Probably not a very effective strategy! I didn't see any real critical darlings in there, though. Some others that came up in a quick Google search, apart from Hellblade: Limbo, Night in the Woods, Celeste, and Gris.
@@EdgeOfCasualGaming Thanks for the heads up. Totally forgot about Celeste, and didn't know Night in the Woods tackled that as well.
@@dreamerabe
Here's a short list in no particular order to hopefully help.
Night in the Woods
Gris
Child of Light
Celeste
Limbo
Hellblade: Senuas Sacrifice
Binding of Isaac
The Cave
Braid
Fez
Life is Strange 1 & 2
inside
Little Nightmares
Outlast 1 & 2
Owlboy
Thomas was Alone
Transistor
Depression Quest
You have one Chance
Elude
Anxiety Attack
That Dragon, Cancer
Actual Sunlight
Esther
Undertale
Deltarune
I'm sure there is a discussion to have about some of these, but they all explore themes of mental illness.
@@robvaughn7714 Thank you. Most of these games I was already going to play, but now I'm even more interested in them.
It may be someones first indy mental health game, if so I hope they enjoy it thoroughly :p it does look pretty nice and I like the inky foot prints. the monsters are great spookums.
lol greg (creg? craig?) left all that in.
That's a good way to look at it. To say it's bad or has no place is like saying that Wolfenstien shouldn't exist because we have Doom.
It's leg, he's talking to his left leg
It was my first indie mental health game, and I did enjoy it thoroughly. I found it a bit odd to brush it off just because other games like it exist. Each one can speak to a person differently, so it didn't feel like a completely fair criticism. More like Jim plays way too many games and they run together for him. Which is fine, but I want to hear about THIS game, not about how "it just exists. There's others like it."
Friday The 13th part 6 Jason Lives best sequel ever
It has always been my favorite Jason movie.
He's back! The man behind the mask!
Not just the James Bond opening gag but Alice Cooper singing the theme song. If nothing else, that informs the viewer as to whether it is going to their kind of movie or not.
While part 6 is good in itself, I think it marks a distinct shift in the series that I wish didn't happen. Jason went more from a quiet stalker to an unstoppable force. I prefer he-should-be-dead Jason to obvious-zombie Jason.
I was going to say the exact same thing.
I would even go so far as to argue that it's the best Friday the 13th movie.
Looks like so many indie games Ive already played. But apparently a nice artstyle and having 'themes' is all a game needs to please alot of critics.
i'll point out a trend i've noticed about mental health in indie games. they're virtually all about an individual, internal experience, typically with very on-the-head use of antagonistic metaphors, and very rarely about how a person with mental illness interacts with others, especially others who also have mental illness and represent both the possibility of getting hurt and of finding community. mental illness can develop from social trauma, and it can color how you see other people as much as how other people see you, and yet i almost never see games about struggling for the need for community and companionship in spite of these painful barriers
Seeing a new video from you always manages to cheer me up!
I just fuckin love these wordless kinda slapstick intros
This game was in development for ages it seems. So the indie landscape didn't have as many games that dealt with this subject matter at the time it was anounced. I think I remember they were really pushing the horror atmosphere when it was first revealed (this was like five years ago I think). Articles described it as silent Hill meets SotC, which sounded like an awesome premise. I feel like little nightmares did that concept of "giant horror" really really well. But either way I'm glad to see the developers finally finished their game, and Im interested to see what they do from here.
@BS Player yes I'd say so. Turn down the lights, use headphones kind of game. The actual puzzle platforming is totally generic but the presentation makes up for it. You can get the game bundled with the DLC cheap right now I think
Even older: Among The Sleep. Also a great little indie horror game where you play as a little kid, the monsters represented by the kids imagination. Also, it REALLY scared me, yet it's age rating is like E / 7+ lol.
Quite sad though...
I think the water fx look amazing- how you can lower it etc- ive always loved well done water games- and the monsters look very creepy.. I think I will get it for atmospheric & gfx reasons even if you say the gameplay isnt really there..
Yeah, the monsters and the environments are great, it just feels like they made those first and didn't leave any time to make the actual game
I think Sea of Thieves has the best looking water graphics ever. Too bad the game is shit. But I can't almost smell the saltwater, that's how incredible it is.
Having just watched Jason Lives a few days ago, that movie is brilliant. Especially the beginning sequence.
It's funny cuz the way Jim talks about the opening scene of Jason Lives is exactly why I respect him as a critic (and will be watching Jason Lives soon, haven't seen it)
I love the indie game spotlight/reviews keep them coming.
Well shit, now I have to go watch a Jason movie. First time for everything, I suppose.
You should definitely watch part 4 first because it sets up the events of part 6, and is a fucking awesome movie in it’s own right. Just make sure to skip part 5 it’s bad, and not in a fun way.
mark brandt shouldn’t he/she begin by watching the first movies and then those other ones?
apimpnameslickback If he wants to. Though it’s not super necessary. The Friday the 13th cannon is super weird and inconsistent. It’s not really necessary to see all the movies.
I honestly reommend marathoning them. The transformation from slasher to comedy is the greatest thing ever. Jason X is also great.
@@Lex-dw7ng 🙌 I friggin love Jason X. Saw it 4 times in the theater. Seriously the most fun I've had going to the movies. Don't see too many people praising it so respect yo
Is this the game where that lady presented it with the qoute "when people are alone; they become monsters"? Because that was so moving!
Yes. That's the premise of the game.
You never waste my time Jim Jim
you are putting vids out like a champ. keep it up and thank you. thank god
Gotta admit did not see a short conversation on Jason lives being in this. But then that's why I love Jim Sterling reviews so many surprises.
>9:24 "I'm not sure I can do this"
>Falls into a hole and dies.
Guess she was right to doubt.
Jason Lives is the Friday the 13th sequel where the series went full camp. Not only does it have that opening sequence but also The Man Behind the Mask by Alice Cooper playing, just in case anyone was confused that this was not going to be a completely serious affair. Unfortunately that all led to Jason Takes Manhattan where it went way too camp.
The only thing dumber than how they resurrect Jason in Friday the 13th part 6 is how they resurrected Freddie in Nightmare on Elm Street part 4. Literally a dog digs up his corpse and pisses fire on him.
There was another sunken city game about a sister and brother in a post apocalypse world, the brother's ill and the sister has to puzzle platform to new areas of city to eventually find a cure for him. I forgot the title and the ending. It's a few years old game and the mechanics are similar.
The Jason lives description at the end is great
"While I-I do lament that it didn't quite tug on me the way I hoped."
-Jim Sterling, 2019.
Guys Jim was just on the Bernie Sanders campaigns TH-cam channel talking about greedy game companies. Give it a watch.
is it kinda like that submerged game with the girl and the sick kid. kinda reminds of it seeing you play it
Imagine being a misanthrope surrounded by the rotten end of humanity. Whew!
Hey, I'm an artist with mental health issues and I think Jason Lives is fucking BRILLIANT! And one doesn't need to be nuts to agree, as it's genuinely entertaining, to the point where it may legitimately be the best of the Friday the 13th movies. So your judgment's intact and spot on as far as I can see it.
"So, what did you want to be when you grew up?"
A review of Sea of Solitude, with a review of Friday the 13th: Jason Lives on the side as a little bonus.
I probably will end up buying it! I love small games with cool visuals, so I tend to be a bit more forgiving when it comes to the controls and story.
These kinds of games more often than not leave me feeling more depressed afterwards than I did before playing them.
I wholeheartedly agree with your take on Jason Lives. They knew bringing Jason back was a ridiculous idea so they just ran with it, and the film is better for it.
"... creative people are miserable pretty much all of the time"
(I remember to press the like button).
That rant about Jason was more entertaining than the review. xD Thanks for the laugh.
Find somebody who talks about you the way Jim Sterling talks about Friday the 13th: Jason Lives.
First, the Jason Lives bit was the best part of this video.
Second, Sea of Solitude is a very pretty game but the game play just doesn't grab me. I watched twenty-five minutes of Wanderbot playing this and it required actual effort for me to pay attention to the game play.
I'm glad mental health awareness seems to be increasing, but aside from Little Monsters I don't think I'd describe the game play in any of these indi mental health commentaries as fun.
Maybe I should make an Indie Mental Health game, and actually have it be fun.
...
Then again, that might be a bad idea. Knowing me, I'd probably accidentally make it offensive in an attempt to add humor.
This is a fucking Jimquisiton alright, that recap of Jason was worth price of admission.
I completely forgot about the bond opening in Jason Lives.😂😂
Always loved Jason Lives! Actually got to go to the "camp crystal lake" location for that one I believe. In creepy ass Georgia nowheresville. It's definitely the best one of all the Friday the 13th movies.
I was an easy mark for Rime and Gris and it looks like I’m still gonna be an easy mark for this.
I SEA what you did there with the title of the thumbnail 😂🌊🌊🌊
Executioner!
Hey Jim. Just wanted to day that if you are miserable (as you say creative people are), your audience loves you and knows you work your ass off for us. Much love
The guy who stabbed Jason was Tommy Jarvis, aka the worst player in every round of Friday the 13th: the game.
Managed for once to actually finish this game before you made a video on it, and I'd say what you said here seems about right. It was a neat little journey with lovely visual design and I had fun with it, but it's very much what you see is what you'll get kind of game.
I enjoyed the review but with that bit at the end you knocked it out of the park. Part 6 was a very guilty pleasure for me too
*Spoilers I guess*
Feeling like you have to carry people's burdens but being unable to realize how to help yourself is a huge thing with me, and the game's presentation of it really got to me. I find the upfront presentation of the monsters actually really refreshing. I'm sick of games relying purely on symbolism, often to the point that you can lose track of the subject matter. Sea of Solitude was a pretty straightforward story about a girl trying to help her family and get through grief and loneliness, herself. And I don't see anything wrong with that - pure symbolism isn't inherently better, and a certain level of predictability isn't bad either. Maybe in a long spanning game it would be, but for the 5-ish hours this game took up? It worked really well, imo. You got the point, but still got to experience it enough to give it depth.
As a side note, I had no trouble with the controls. Some things were wonky, like the game deciding where physics were for certain platforms, but none of it got in the way of playing. I didn't notice Kay's momentum being off. Maybe they patched it already, who knows. Or maybe I'm just used to wonky controls cuz all my favorite games seem to have them. (I'm a Fumito Ueda nerd.)
I think I'm addicted to The Jim Fucking Sterling Son. My predictive text even writes out that full name 😁
Every (indie) game where it's a metaphor for a mental health is exactly the same thing. They're all a walking simulator with metaphorical monsters preventing you from doing basic actions, while a narrator narrating the message to you that [insert mental health here] is preventing you, the player, from doing these basic actions, while emotional music is screaming at the player with the lyrics "FEEL SAD! FEEL SAD! DON'T YOU FEEL SAD NOW!? COME ON, FEEL SAD!"
personally not into games where the style takes over gameplay, nor would I want to be reminded of mental health issues.. while I'm playing? seems like an odd theme.
is it just me or does this video have more bass? beauty bud keep up the good work.
Is it odd when film and TV and literature also tackles those issues?
@@dreamerabe I find it less distracting for heavy themes in film/TV simply because I can somewhat divorce myself from it. A video game, by design, has you paying closer attention because your own actions are required to progress. I mean, it's difficult for me to focus on whatever theme a game is trying to drive home because I'm more focused on the aspect of playing the actual game.
And, I don't really like the non-interactive games, so I tend to avoid them simply because I find it a waste of my time.
That finish of the video was absolutely brilliant.
I just love the lady who created Sea of Solitude, Cornelia Geppert. She’s dreamy~!
So... how does it compare to Submerged? Because right now this looks like a slight overall upgrade, but not so much that I'd also like to play this
Well put. Pretty much sums up my thoughts of that game, while it touched some strings, and hit a little close, it's nothing I will talk about for the next months. Maybe think about it for one or two days. But yes, money well spent.
I like how a lot of the comments section is more interested in the minute he spoke about Jason Lives vs another artsy game about mental health. Side note, do you think the game is called Sea of Solitude so the initials would be SoS, a cry for help?
Pretty cool if so. I didn't notice that!
"It didn't quite tug on me the way I hoped." -Jim Sterling
Came for review, stayed for Jason Lives. Now I want to watch it cause I think the sequence described sounds awesome and while a bit contrived, I like that the plot wanted to present the protagonist causing the trouble due to revenge.
I really liked Jim’s thoughts on this one. Being neuroatypical and having a less than stellar psychological profile this game seems to be something I would make, but not play after finishing it. That is I’d pour my heart out to try to exorcise - if you will, in the case of making such a personal game be a cathartic experience - my ”dämons” (a semantic word play by director Ingmar Bergman to replace e with ä in ”demon” to denote a different interpretation of it), but I wouldn’t want to play after its completion. If that makes any sense.
I remember an interview with Nick Cave (around the release of his ”Nocturama” album) where he was asked how he feels about his older material. He quoted an interview with Thom Yorke where he was asked the same thing and his wife’s advice was ”be proud of your accomplishments, but don’t look back and dwell on them”. I’m paraphrasing. So it’s a difficult situation for artists. To have to revisit old wounds yet be able to distance themselves from the emotional implications.
I would have been sold on this game were it in literally any genre other than 'adventure' which is basically the genre developers shoot for when they have a really interesting setting but can't be arsed to aim higher than that.
Wrongspeak Auditor i see what you’re saying but I gotta disagree on the grounds that it’s because they’re not aiming high enough that adventure in this context falls flat. Their puzzling and platforming is subpar but that is not the fault of the genre. It’s more that these games are little more than an interactive story and that’s a shame. I’m not one to hate on so-called walking simulator mind you but that the vast majority of these indie games that have something to say are not actually exploring gameplay enough and when you become one amongst many that lack of expansive gameplay is detrimental in my opinion.
It does have a certain catch-all quality to it nowadays. "Adventure" was never a very strongly defined genre, but in older times you could generally expect a decent contextual puzzle game out of the tag. Nowadays games with barely any gameplay have taking a liking to that tag, rendering it mostly useless.
There used to be a time when "adventure" games, meant anything with obscure inventory object puzzles. Maniac Mansion, King's Quest, Day of the Tentacle, Broken Sword, ect. Nowadays, "adventure" games, are the "misc" category, with the original "adventure" games being relegated to the "point and click adventure" category.
I don't like it, but what can you do.
It depends though. Nowadays adventure game can basically just mean no combat, according to some people. Whereas, some of my all time favourite games are adventure games e.g Broken Sword, Monkey Island. "Point & click" adventures like that, are awesome.
Personally, I'd call this a platformer (as basic as the "platforming" is).
@@ouroldhouse3674 If I had to classify it, I would go with puzzle/platformer, since it has elements of both genres. However, it seems quite light on both. This creates the problem of how to classify something when it technically belongs to genre X but its so light on genre X, you don't want to give people the impression it has a lot of X on it. Just adding "walking simulator" to that genre description seems kinda rude =)
The main criticism seems to be "okay, serviceable, but it's another one". And I think for a game about mental health that's not a bad criticism.
Mental health is a problem for many people so having many different games about it means there's a higher chance one of the many games will speak to any given player.
We should always be critical of all video games, no matter the subject matter. If "That Dragon, Cancer" had a section that was essentially a retread of the 2007 PS2 game "An American Tail: Fievel Goes West" then it would deserve to be called out for it.
Looks visually like it's taking style cues from Rime, which is pretty cool
Always a disappointment when something doesn't tug on you the way you'd hoped.
Giggity.
I just watched a playthrough of it. It was good, but nothing ground-breaking, especially as far as mental health goes. The biggest issue as far as story goes is that it missed an opportunity to explore more ideas during certain areas of the plot. Best section was definitely the part concerning the parents. I feel like that's the part most people will relate to most. Hell, if the game was just about that plotpoint, it'd be miles better in my opinion.
Jason will forever live in our hearts.
Or at least until he runs a machete through 'em.
If it was more metaphorical and silent in it's presentation, like Journey, I may have picked it up
But I hate having my head bashed in with such on the nose themes so I'll have to give this one a pass
I feel like that could have been pretty interesting. Then again, I do tend to prefer the subtler things.
See, I found Journey overly vague for what it was trying to do. But I thought Sea of Solitude did a good job with the themes even when it told you what they were. (I never felt bashed over the head, though.) It's really a case by case thing.
You ain't waste my time that sounded fucking hilarious
It's just like Rime imo, only with more dialog.
But it's a completely different genre. RiME was a puzzle platformer exploration game. This is action adventure with mild platforming elements.
Jason Lives is a masterpiece of meta humour and is constantly winking at the audience.
As someone who saw Jason Lives, I vaguely remember everything you just said about it. That series of events might have been dumb, but at least it was entertaining.
"Jason Lives" sounds like a phenomenal film.
Thank the Gods for Jim Sterling!!!
Jim with your vids you never waste my time
Meanwhile "Celeste" be like "How about talk about depression AND still be a solid game with challanging gameplay?"
Ye, this.
Some people will disagree but I have always felt that games should be games first and foremost, all other concerns are secondary. You don't need to sacrifice gameplay to tell a good story. In fact, the games that have affected me the most were those that engrossed me with their gameplay and *then* told me a story. Those who just tell the story tend to not stick with me.
Yeah... As soon as I saw other reviews for this game, I immediately thought of Jim's quote from the Gris review: "this game's about Depression... they all are."
Look, depression sucks, okay? Fuck depression. But whether I'm playing a game, or creating one: I don't want to wallow in that shit. I purposely use escapism to get away from all that. Making a game about depression will just force you to wallow in your own negativity, in order to get the emotions across believably. Indies need to find something new to focus on. There's nothing new to be said on this topic.
"Hey your game is pretty shit and boring."
"Yeah but depression bad."
"10/10"
Its alright to be honest. Big deal if you dont see the art side of things. Its not the end of the world or anything, and you are still allowed to have an opinion too!
P.s. That movie was a giant comedy for me haha
Looks like another basic 3d platformer that tries to be deep but instead ends up being cliche garbage.
I thought this was going to be some sort of oceanic Harvest Moon... guess not.
"I don't feel like I wasted my money or my time." Back of the box quote.
I know you're SAYING don't take your word as an art critic even remotely seriously;
yet... I can't help but suspect there is a layer of subtext hidden behind your impromptu review of the opening sequence of "Friday the XIII part VI: Jason Lives" that I'm simply not culturally refined enough to fully grasp.
I know that it's got to be a metaphor for *something*, I just can't tell what... yet.