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I do have theory that Kirk primarily reestablish contact with Federation colonies, after Klingon War. During that chaos diplomatic links with many regions inside federation space shattered. And as such Heavy Cruisers needed check them before restoring communication. It is why he was so many times near Federation infrastructure and not actually charting deep space. Recent was also explain why everyone is so triggery. Picard situation was way different. Enterprise was basically a diplomatic ship. What job was to fly between Federation and neutral colonies inside Federations space and do some speeches. It is one of the reasons why Enterprise has such comically weak shields. They did not expect major threats. I think charting political situation during Star Trek Enterprise would be great idea! Though show was made in random way, it show geopolitical situation near Earth, before the Federation. So it actually provide insight in actual Structure of Federation, we do not see in the show. So I put my thoughts in next post...
Continuing Federation structure during NX era: First of we do know that Federation, Romulan Star Empire and Klingon Empire do share border. It is believed that Romulan Empire partially enter Delta Quadrant as they faced Borg before everyone else. At the same time Klingon's control huge portion of Beta Quadrant (most distant part) and here is the interesting part. While majority of Federation is also in Beta Quadrant, Earth is actually in Alfa! What was mostly not explored even in 24'th century! Later on that. While Earth is used as Prime Meridian in navigation, it actually make more sense for Vulcan saving this purpose, as Federation inherited star charting from Vulcan's. The only logical solution for this issue is if Earth and Vulcan are basically on the same line. For other reasons it make sense that Earth was located closer to galaxy core and formally was part of Vulcan domain, while Vulcan was bit further. I do believe that Vulcan domain was already massive and extend from Earth "north" up to corner where Klingon and Romulan space connect. Though the exact point was neural region as we know from SNW. Vulcans were major local Empire in the past and faced both Romulans and Klingons. I hope it is logical. It make most sense that Andorian domain was between Vulcan (south) and Romulans (north-east). With Earth being west from that. All three planets Earth, Vulcan and Andoria were relatively close to each other. Fact that Andorians and Vulcans are in state of Cold War, due to plot from side of Romulans make this most likely answer (Archer encountered them fast, but this situation would explain why not before). Andorians were also heavily militant, justifying why Romulans didn't attack them before hand. Speaking of that Cronos is also close to Vulcan border. It is why Archer could visit it in relatively short time. Here is important part! Despite what most map show. It make most sense that Delphic Expanse was located near galactic core, not south from Earth. Galactic core is the region full of anomalies and powerful fallen empires. It make sense to be there. Anyway, it may be not obvious from the show, but Earth is border region surrounded by pre-warp Earth (in old setting, Warp 1+ in new) colonies so it is why Starfleet was such exploration focused, despite not having fastest warp drives (Kirk reach center of galaxy only in late 23'th century). It is also where Romulans sneak in moving behind Andorian space. This operation was high risk, because Vulcanoids do not like operate in abnormal regions. Worth to note that it was probably where Archer bump on Romulan mine. This would not happen if it would be known Vulcan border. Anyway, Xindi were not absorbed into Federation until 24'th century (due to war with Earth) and I also believe other furry races like Caitans, Kzinti, Avians and Scorr should be somewhere there. But not having major states. Anyway. It is believed that Tholian space was west-south from earth. Cutting of uncharted space around Earth, from rest of Alpha Quadrant. Archer encountered them Early and they were extremely territorial, blocking future exploration in the area. Until Xindi and other Federation members open access south. It is also why Ferengi and Cardassians weren't discovered until late 24'th century. Despute being located near Earth. I believe they space was located below Tholian space. Tallarite empire was located somewhere south from Vulcan. It is where majority of exploration of Federation, happen during 23'th century. When border region of Earth during 22'th. Federation was mostly stagnant in 24'th century. I hope it make sense why I think that?
Random note. Considering that Edo God is clearly a member of Machine Race, this would place whore region rather near galactic core. As it is where T'Kon AI tend to hang in (and also where Archer bump on automatic shipyard, what also was part of Machine Federation). This area is also from where V'Ger and Cetacean Probe come. As side note, I believe that Probe was lying about they owners and wanted to verify if sea mammals were not its creators (I remind that Dolphins are sentient specie in Trek universe and even serve as equal officers of Starfleet). After shocking discovery that they may be related to pesky Hew-Mons.
Well this puts a new spin on the TNG era of the Federation. Though while the Federation claimed the space, I wonder if they had actually gone to the lengths of exploring it's own territory enough to know what was in it...
..and if you read the novels and comics became a flying diplomatic conference center during the Dominion war (excluding a few critical battles like Betazed ) though important conferences like getting the Gorn into the war. That mission made an amazing comic.
It does tend to end up that way with Star Trek. I suspect the execs are scared that people won't like a show with actual exploration and discovery of aliens.
i have to wonder in which direction on this map would point towards galactic center/the Milky Way Hub? I'm assuming it's many LY's off this map, but just kind of a general idea of the orientation would be interesting....I mean, Kirk went there once in a fever dream and asked an alien posing as "God" the 2nd most ultimate question. also, where's the barrier at the edge of the galaxy in relation to this map?
Does kinda seem unfair for the Romulans. The Federation gets to expand out into unexplored space as much as they want, the Star Empire is stuck with what systems and resources they already have. I'd be pissed too.
Can you imagine if the planet in federation space doesnt want to join the federation but to make its own...union and get others to join its union. Would the federation cede its own territory? Now imagine present day on earth, but instead of contiguous bordered nation-states, there are only city-states and federations of city-states or empires of city-states (with city-states being analagous to planets). Imagine the EU map covering like it does today, but upon the EU making contact with the Republic of Vienna, Vienna decides it wants to make its own EU. The EU says it cant because they already made the maps and theyre in theirs. Vienna says they never got the memo. The EU says that if they took an interest in international politics and traveled to the kingdom of Trondheim they would have seen the notice.. 😂 🇪🇺
Can you imagine being a TNG script writer just trying to bust out a name and place of a planet to hit some studio deadline only to see a video 30 years later trying to truly map out all the names you contrived?
I love the huge variability of what the various warp speeds get you. The same warp factor will get you there in years, or minutes, depending on the needs of the plot.
If they had Star Trek: West Wing you'd see the defence cuts. They have 5 shells they hang around to scare off enemies (that's why they blow up when a bug hits them) and 2 real starships (the other real starship is of course that Excelsior-class ship to use when the enterprise isn't around and they really really honest to Q can't Make it back in time. They just put different labels on the ships to throw off the enemies into thinking they have more ships. 😂
Makes me think of the opening scene in Generations when the Enterprise-B was "the only ship in range" to rescue the El Aurian refugee ships but the Enterprise was only going from Mars to Pluto and back. Like, really? There wasn't a single other Starfleet vessel in range to rescue two ships in the _Sol System?!_ Get outta here with that plot contrivance nonsense.
Especially as Spacedock 1 had existed well before the Enterprise-B and we had seen ships patrolling the Sol System in Star Trek IV as well. There should have been at least a dozen ships better equipped to rush out there. Then again the Enterprise-B which had left port without the tractor beam installed, probably to meet the date for the big shakedown cruise, so maybe Starfleet was already getting lazy by then.
@@zerrodefex maybe. Though I get the impression that, with the press and "celebrity" passengers, that particular voyage was more of a publicity stunt than a real shakedown cruise, since seemingly half the ship wasn't installed.
"Before Worf succumbs to the mighty Barrels." Worf got beat up plenty on this whirlwind journey through the stars, but his most worthy opponent was always with him.
Here's a free bit for Lower Decks: Someone on the holodeck going through Worfs program fighting the skull guy etc, and then out of nowhere barrels drop from the sky that you have to avoid.
Realistically, it would be a lot of back and forth between those three locations, but they did go other places as the show progressed. Plus, there's that time Sisko went to Cardassia in a sailing ship!
I’d love to watch a timelapse version of this with a zoomed out view taking just 1-3 seconds per episode. I bet it looks kind of absurd with the zigzagging.
You are a better man than me as I was confused and slightly bored after 8 minutes so I don't have a clue how you were able to research this video. I am impressed !
There is one stop the Enterprise makes that is canon but not in TNG, which is the visit to DS9 in Emissary, which is shortly before Birthright, and also DS9 was in a slightly different location orbiting Bajor.
I remember reading that the "drugs are bad" scene between Tasha and Wesley was shoehorned in by Roddenberry's lawyer over practically everyone's objections.
Or just call me snowclad, amazing how that actor turned off and on the side effects of a certain compound of misuse that made that show possible to have a Dr Fraizer Crane as we know him and that show, glad he fixed that though.
The issues start right away with the first destination. If they left earth and arived at farpoint, and it is 2600 lightyears away, the pilot episode covers months if not years worth of travel time. At warp 9 thats over 1.7 years of straight line flight. Maximum safe speed of 9.3 gets them there in a year and a half while emergency speed would get them there in 1.3 years except for the fact that it would have to be done in 12 hour incriments with major repairs in between.
In Enterprise they cover distances that should take weeks or months in just half a day, or two days. The writers don’t really care about the warp speeds given, at the end of the day
I was just going to make a similar comment haha! There is no regard for how wasteful and expensive (dilithium-wise) their routes are lol It seems like the Enterprise would go from the edges of Federation space out by Tholian space only to have them go to the Romulan Neutral Zone a few episodes later. I get that having the Flagship near Romulan space as a deterrent makes sense and explore the edge of Federation space within the Beta Quadrant. I also get that it's just a show and distances and timelines take backseat to the plot, but still...You'd think the writers would just have them explore the boundaries of a specific part of space, I'm sure there would have been enough writing material for 7 seasons still, not including episodes like Best of Both Worlds and Redemption where the Federation needed its Flagship for combat. I remember one episode of DS9, "Valiant", where the one crewmember of the U.S.S Valiant mentioned that the other ship of Cadets were circumnavigating the Federation and it would take "years". Weyoun also mentioned how vast the Federation is. Also, in various throwaway lines in the shows and maybe in non-canon places it was mentioned that the Federation couldn't just overwhelm the Cardassians during their war because their ships were so spread out that they couldn't make it back to the front-lines in time.
its the issue with quantity or just 80-90s shows... sure TNG is the best- something like Expanse tv/ or book i havent read... just a few planets and moons can make endless stories... one doesnt need to travel the universe to create more stories... probably what they did in DS9 focuses and gives story more detail- though different time and after Gene Roddenberry
We also don't k ow exactly how much time passes between each episode. That doesn't fill in all the holes, but thinking each episode is only a week between in jniverse is a bit of a mistake to make. Could be several weeks or a couple of months before we arrive back with the crew.
You'd think it would be more economical to put the Enterprise in a sector and have it sit there for a year doing everything that needs to be done, then move on. But then again, you paid for a cruise ship in space, and everyone wants to see it... I wonder if the journeys of the other Galaxy ships were so chaotic.
Realistic movements would be efficiently patrolling in an unpredictable way, responding to problems. Which I suppose is implied by the show. They cruise around (sometimes having a drama episode), and only have major episodes when there is a crisis to respond to.
Awesome work. Amazing to see how little actual exploration the Enterprise was doing, mostly being a show of force along the neutral zone and dealing with political ferry assignments.
I hate to say my great great great grandfather was a soldier on the Trail of Tears, he was part of the route that went through North Louisiana. We have letters he wrote later in life saying he was ashamed of his part and spent his later life trying to make up for his part even if he was following orders he regretted his role.
26:25 I got the impression from the episode that the planets visited in the chase were a LOT farther apart than that - Indri VIII for instance was stated to be well beyond the Federation (Galen points at a map at a point appearing to be at least ten thousand light years away from federation space), rather than poking distance from Bajor.
Yeah it's difficult to say for sure--obviously the Enterprise traveling THAT far in one episode is unreasonable, but I could imagine them being a significant distance apart in 3d space
@@OrangeRiverI had Star Trek Star Charts a million years ago and I seem to remember that it had at least most of NX-01's journey mapped. Seeing how much of that is still supported in canon could make for an interesting spin on this type of vid.
This was an amazing watch, you did a great job mapping the route and I learned that the Sol system is really close to the neutral zone. (Or at least it appears to be lol) You did an amazing job! Thumbs up 👍
Canonically the Romulans are really close to Earth, which is why humans come into conflict with Romulans so early before the Federation even is founded.
Since Brekka and Ornara are close to Breen space in the video, this reminds me of that episode where it was revealed that the Breen had occupied Brekka. Before being driven off by that A.I Texas Class ship.
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One of the curious things about Star Trek TNG was that the series was intended to feature the Enterprise out in the far depths of the unknown - hence all that talk in the pilot episode about Deneb IV being so far out on the fringe, and also the off-screen reason why families are on the ship, as it was meant to be a show where they were far from home and not going to return to familiar territory any time soon - only for them to effectively abandon this setup after Encounter At Farpoint, after which the Enterprise D more or less spent 7 years doing milk runs around a very small area of a much bigger map.
Wow, so much work must have gone into this! I was kind of hoping to see the whole route in the context of the whole galaxy, showing where the Gamma and Delta quadrants are, and where earth is, which isn't clear on your map.
It's likely to be a short video, but you should keep this series going. Next: Mapping the course of DS9. SHORT VIDEO, like I said. gonna have to use the runabouts & Defiant as the station didn't move (except the once). Dominion war bit would likely show the moat movement. Should do it anyways. After DS9, a more interesting video would be mapping Voyagers path.
Thank you for another excellent mapping video! Regardless of their accuracy, it's fun to try to tie the escapades from the show to real places and plot all the various territories out. I look forward to any similar future videos! God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)
Love your nerdism man! It’s the kind of thing I used to want to do. When I had the energy and passion. Now you are doing it! Thank you from my inner geek! 💕
I had a dream last night where I was a college student and became Stident Manager of the Auditorium and people kept vaping in there, giving me lung cancer. Probably based on that song about Charlie Brown's teenage troubles. Maybe he should jave used Fum?
This map keeps giving me the impression that Romulan space is either "above" or "below" Federaton space... although to fit the motif of looming threat, I like to believe it's seen as "above" the Federation.
I actually made a 3D map of key Star Trek systems (might make a video about it), and funny enough I found that Star Charts isn't that far off. A Some Romulan systems are above and below the galactic plane, so you could see how they would fit in a vertical "column" when looking top down :D
I always wondered why Alpha and Beta are on either side of Earth, considering Earth revolves around Sol. Therefore Alpha & Beta would constantly move as Earth does.
Did that trip to DS9 also account for the scene in DS9 EP1 “Emissary”? Because I actually don’t remember if that scene between Picard and Sisko was before or after the station moved to the wormhole, which it would have to be after for both the TNG and DS9 episodes to be one trip, as Bashir has a thing(TM) from said wormhole
well, I didn't even watch the video, but stopped on the FUM add and signed up. so thanks for that! however, the amount of time this must have taken (judging by the video title)...great work (I think!)
I think what people are forgetting is that in Star Trek, various worlds only control their own inner star system. They have thousands of interstellar ships to patrol the space between stars, but those thousands of ships are patrolling a volume of space that would require literally trillions or even quadrillions of ships in real life. (And in real life you could actually build trillions of ships in a single star system without scratching the surface of the available resources, because most scifa like ST treats star systems as being tiny and resource poor, while in real life star systems are extremely resource rich.) So while they've "explored" Federation space by visiting major star systems and sending probes to all the others, they haven't really explored them. They've done a flyby while sweeping long range sensors over it. That's a very different thing. In a sphere of space 8000 light years across you'd expect hundreds of millions of planets, at the very low end of estimates. Starfleet has not sent away teams to hundreds of millions of planets:P. Especially give that Starfleet only had a few hundred active ships at any given time until the Dominion War forced them to rapidly expand. So it's not unreasonable that Federation space is filled with planets and anomalies that have never been noticed before, because they can't possibly have looked at them all yet, at their snail's pace of exploration.
The Enterprise really got around, but then again it was the flagship so it makes sense. I bet Starfleet really pushed the exciting "Explore the Stars" when recruiting, only for most people to get assigned to some 30+ year old ship doing a 3 year stellar survey mission in some nowhere sector.
I didn’t realize how large the Klingon Empire was. I like how it’s shaped just like Russia though. Appropriate and befitting of Roddenberry’s original concept.
It’s a bit insane how big it is, they must have subjugated hundreds (thousands?) of races to conquer all that territory. We don’t see them in everyday Klingon society so we can infer they’re marginalised or controlled in some way. I don’t see how the federation could ever have made friends with them at that point morally.
If you want to get pedantic (a whole new level of nitpicking), the Enterprise didn't "contact" the Dowd, they discovered them. If I'm not mistaken, they also did not have any knowledge of the Husnock before this episode.
You're right, this is all VERY local travel! So was Geordi just exaggerating when he said that the Enterprise had clocked tens of thousands of light years by mid Season 3 (Booby Trap)?
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Didn't the FDA or NIH issue a notice about this?
🤷♂️
Meh. Either way, good for tweens and teens to break the old habit of vapes, until those flavors get banned and the things age-blocked 😂
Old people 🧑🦳: "back in my day, we just huffed scented candles."
I do have theory that Kirk primarily reestablish contact with Federation colonies, after Klingon War. During that chaos diplomatic links with many regions inside federation space shattered. And as such Heavy Cruisers needed check them before restoring communication. It is why he was so many times near Federation infrastructure and not actually charting deep space. Recent was also explain why everyone is so triggery.
Picard situation was way different. Enterprise was basically a diplomatic ship. What job was to fly between Federation and neutral colonies inside Federations space and do some speeches. It is one of the reasons why Enterprise has such comically weak shields. They did not expect major threats.
I think charting political situation during Star Trek Enterprise would be great idea! Though show was made in random way, it show geopolitical situation near Earth, before the Federation. So it actually provide insight in actual Structure of Federation, we do not see in the show. So I put my thoughts in next post...
Continuing Federation structure during NX era:
First of we do know that Federation, Romulan Star Empire and Klingon Empire do share border. It is believed that Romulan Empire partially enter Delta Quadrant as they faced Borg before everyone else. At the same time Klingon's control huge portion of Beta Quadrant (most distant part) and here is the interesting part. While majority of Federation is also in Beta Quadrant, Earth is actually in Alfa! What was mostly not explored even in 24'th century! Later on that.
While Earth is used as Prime Meridian in navigation, it actually make more sense for Vulcan saving this purpose, as Federation inherited star charting from Vulcan's. The only logical solution for this issue is if Earth and Vulcan are basically on the same line. For other reasons it make sense that Earth was located closer to galaxy core and formally was part of Vulcan domain, while Vulcan was bit further. I do believe that Vulcan domain was already massive and extend from Earth "north" up to corner where Klingon and Romulan space connect. Though the exact point was neural region as we know from SNW. Vulcans were major local Empire in the past and faced both Romulans and Klingons. I hope it is logical.
It make most sense that Andorian domain was between Vulcan (south) and Romulans (north-east). With Earth being west from that. All three planets Earth, Vulcan and Andoria were relatively close to each other. Fact that Andorians and Vulcans are in state of Cold War, due to plot from side of Romulans make this most likely answer (Archer encountered them fast, but this situation would explain why not before). Andorians were also heavily militant, justifying why Romulans didn't attack them before hand. Speaking of that Cronos is also close to Vulcan border. It is why Archer could visit it in relatively short time.
Here is important part! Despite what most map show. It make most sense that Delphic Expanse was located near galactic core, not south from Earth. Galactic core is the region full of anomalies and powerful fallen empires. It make sense to be there. Anyway, it may be not obvious from the show, but Earth is border region surrounded by pre-warp Earth (in old setting, Warp 1+ in new) colonies so it is why Starfleet was such exploration focused, despite not having fastest warp drives (Kirk reach center of galaxy only in late 23'th century).
It is also where Romulans sneak in moving behind Andorian space. This operation was high risk, because Vulcanoids do not like operate in abnormal regions. Worth to note that it was probably where Archer bump on Romulan mine. This would not happen if it would be known Vulcan border. Anyway, Xindi were not absorbed into Federation until 24'th century (due to war with Earth) and I also believe other furry races like Caitans, Kzinti, Avians and Scorr should be somewhere there. But not having major states.
Anyway. It is believed that Tholian space was west-south from earth. Cutting of uncharted space around Earth, from rest of Alpha Quadrant. Archer encountered them Early and they were extremely territorial, blocking future exploration in the area. Until Xindi and other Federation members open access south. It is also why Ferengi and Cardassians weren't discovered until late 24'th century. Despute being located near Earth. I believe they space was located below Tholian space. Tallarite empire was located somewhere south from Vulcan. It is where majority of exploration of Federation, happen during 23'th century. When border region of Earth during 22'th. Federation was mostly stagnant in 24'th century.
I hope it make sense why I think that?
Random note. Considering that Edo God is clearly a member of Machine Race, this would place whore region rather near galactic core. As it is where T'Kon AI tend to hang in (and also where Archer bump on automatic shipyard, what also was part of Machine Federation). This area is also from where V'Ger and Cetacean Probe come. As side note, I believe that Probe was lying about they owners and wanted to verify if sea mammals were not its creators (I remind that Dolphins are sentient specie in Trek universe and even serve as equal officers of Starfleet). After shocking discovery that they may be related to pesky Hew-Mons.
Well this puts a new spin on the TNG era of the Federation. Though while the Federation claimed the space, I wonder if they had actually gone to the lengths of exploring it's own territory enough to know what was in it...
Idea: to boldly go where no one has gone before
Reality: spends seven years rushing back and forth across the Federation putting out brush fires
The Federation: always frantically jumping around like an elephant frightened by a mouse.
..and if you read the novels and comics became a flying diplomatic conference center during the Dominion war (excluding a few critical battles like Betazed ) though important conferences like getting the Gorn into the war. That mission made an amazing comic.
"Can you remember when we used to be explorers?"
It does tend to end up that way with Star Trek. I suspect the execs are scared that people won't like a show with actual exploration and discovery of aliens.
@@JDEhlertWell, the producers did ask why a show about space exploration takes place in places other than Earth so much.
“Where Wesley is arrested for touching grass”..
I actually laughed out loud when he said that haha!
Shut up, Wesley!
I did as well @@DonMarges
I mean, y'all laugh, but... damn near...
@@charlestaylor253 It really was one of the best things for Wesley's character development.
"Given the 3 dimensional nature of space it's hard to say for sure" sums up this whole thing
LMAO kinda yeah
There should be a 3d mapping software. That would be great.
@@Kaede-Sasaki I'm sure we'll see it eventually.
i have to wonder in which direction on this map would point towards galactic center/the Milky Way Hub? I'm assuming it's many LY's off this map, but just kind of a general idea of the orientation would be interesting....I mean, Kirk went there once in a fever dream and asked an alien posing as "God" the 2nd most ultimate question. also, where's the barrier at the edge of the galaxy in relation to this map?
@@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 the way the map being used here is laid out, the center of the galaxy is to the north
The federation is likely shaped like swiss cheese, where the holes represent species that dont want to join or are pre-warp
Does kinda seem unfair for the Romulans. The Federation gets to expand out into unexplored space as much as they want, the Star Empire is stuck with what systems and resources they already have. I'd be pissed too.
@@Majima_Nowherethe Romulans didn’t want to expand.
Can you imagine if the planet in federation space doesnt want to join the federation but to make its own...union and get others to join its union. Would the federation cede its own territory?
Now imagine present day on earth, but instead of contiguous bordered nation-states, there are only city-states and federations of city-states or empires of city-states (with city-states being analagous to planets). Imagine the EU map covering like it does today, but upon the EU making contact with the Republic of Vienna, Vienna decides it wants to make its own EU. The EU says it cant because they already made the maps and theyre in theirs. Vienna says they never got the memo. The EU says that if they took an interest in international politics and traveled to the kingdom of Trondheim they would have seen the notice.. 😂 🇪🇺
And every city state with its own mandatory haircut.
I thought it was just the plot holes resulting from us viewers being way bigger nerds / pedants than the writers🤷♀
Can you imagine being a TNG script writer just trying to bust out a name and place of a planet to hit some studio deadline only to see a video 30 years later trying to truly map out all the names you contrived?
I 100% would wonder "why do you care?"
And yet I am watching this entire video 😅
I'm looking forward to USS VOYAGER's route back home from the Delta Q....
Close season, Voyager visited various arms dealers to restock the torpedo bays.
the straight line route that looks like a curly wurly!
I bet it looks like Duck Dodgers' route he charted to get to Planet X
@@christopherwall2121 yeah travel is a bit complicated in the 24th and 1/2 century
@@kiers1970 And coffee...
Good job on working this out, especially since the writers probably weren't thinking about consistency when they came up with these locations!
Thank you!
I love the huge variability of what the various warp speeds get you. The same warp factor will get you there in years, or minutes, depending on the needs of the plot.
Thats the power of plotonium
Wow! Even with canon, this couldn't have been an easy task.
I would definitely love to see you do map routes for Enterprise and Voyager.
Jeeze the Enterprise sure gets around. It's almost like the Federation only has one ship!
If they had Star Trek: West Wing you'd see the defence cuts. They have 5 shells they hang around to scare off enemies (that's why they blow up when a bug hits them) and 2 real starships (the other real starship is of course that Excelsior-class ship to use when the enterprise isn't around and they really really honest to Q can't Make it back in time. They just put different labels on the ships to throw off the enemies into thinking they have more ships. 😂
Makes me think of the opening scene in Generations when the Enterprise-B was "the only ship in range" to rescue the El Aurian refugee ships but the Enterprise was only going from Mars to Pluto and back. Like, really? There wasn't a single other Starfleet vessel in range to rescue two ships in the _Sol System?!_ Get outta here with that plot contrivance nonsense.
Especially as Spacedock 1 had existed well before the Enterprise-B and we had seen ships patrolling the Sol System in Star Trek IV as well. There should have been at least a dozen ships better equipped to rush out there. Then again the Enterprise-B which had left port without the tractor beam installed, probably to meet the date for the big shakedown cruise, so maybe Starfleet was already getting lazy by then.
@@zerrodefex maybe. Though I get the impression that, with the press and "celebrity" passengers, that particular voyage was more of a publicity stunt than a real shakedown cruise, since seemingly half the ship wasn't installed.
Oooor that the Flagship of the Federation might be one of the busiest ships by the nature of being THE perfect representation of the Federation.
"Before Worf succumbs to the mighty Barrels." Worf got beat up plenty on this whirlwind journey through the stars, but his most worthy opponent was always with him.
Here's a free bit for Lower Decks: Someone on the holodeck going through Worfs program fighting the skull guy etc, and then out of nowhere barrels drop from the sky that you have to avoid.
"THIS BARREL HAS NO HONOR!"
Thats not what Tasha said lol you know how Klingons have rough stuff times 10 going on in their mating rituals, yeah that's the joke lol
barrels that for some reason bouncy like they are made of superballs
Now you just need to map the route of DS9:
They go from bajor's orbit to the wormhole, Done!
it wouldnt be too hard to map the gamma quadrant, it is just the dominion after all (plus that map in the search pt1 helps)
Perfect for a TH-cam Short
Realistically, it would be a lot of back and forth between those three locations, but they did go other places as the show progressed. Plus, there's that time Sisko went to Cardassia in a sailing ship!
Also everywhere they went in Runabouts and the Defiant
Chance for an April's Fools joke.
That John-Luck Pickart sure gets around.
He a dirty boi
Yee haw, John-Luck!
...Picart? Oh no...oh no, no, no, no, no...
Thought it was Pickerd!
@@InAMinMaths Might've been. :-)
I’d love to watch a timelapse version of this with a zoomed out view taking just 1-3 seconds per episode. I bet it looks kind of absurd with the zigzagging.
Waiting for the next video: "The Interstellar Amorous Conquests of Gul Dukat," and its sequel "Drinking Through the Stars with Legate Damar."
Gardening with Garak 1.1
@@ThutUPB And the massively popular sequel: "Hemming trousers with Garak 1.3"
Cardassian space just becomes a white, sorta fuzzy blob with a spearhead poking Bajor in both installments.
This entire video just reminds me of HOW GOOD STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION IS! No I want to binge the series for the 17th time in my life.
18:50 I love how you have no mention of the Paxans. xD Yup. They are so wiped from the records.
I had to look them up, if that was an intentional omission, *chefs kiss*
Ironic how close Angel is to the Kzinti Patriarchy
You are a better man than me as I was confused and slightly bored after 8 minutes so I don't have a clue how you were able to research this video. I am impressed !
There is one stop the Enterprise makes that is canon but not in TNG, which is the visit to DS9 in Emissary, which is shortly before Birthright, and also DS9 was in a slightly different location orbiting Bajor.
I don't remember but they may have made it to the Badland's for patrol before coming back during that episode.
These videos seem to take a lot of work, I hope they get a lot of views. Keep up the good work!
Thank you!
No problem. Thanks for making them.
Fascinating
Curious
I remember reading that the "drugs are bad" scene between Tasha and Wesley was shoehorned in by Roddenberry's lawyer over practically everyone's objections.
That's Doctor Frazier Crane to you!
Or just call me snowclad, amazing how that actor turned off and on the side effects of a certain compound of misuse that made that show possible to have a Dr Fraizer Crane as we know him and that show, glad he fixed that though.
Not to be a difficult but that would be Dr. Frasier Crane to be correct.
He kept calling me “Frazer”
last time i was this early, mum and i bonded in the ICU.
The issues start right away with the first destination. If they left earth and arived at farpoint, and it is 2600 lightyears away, the pilot episode covers months if not years worth of travel time. At warp 9 thats over 1.7 years of straight line flight. Maximum safe speed of 9.3 gets them there in a year and a half while emergency speed would get them there in 1.3 years except for the fact that it would have to be done in 12 hour incriments with major repairs in between.
In Enterprise they cover distances that should take weeks or months in just half a day, or two days. The writers don’t really care about the warp speeds given, at the end of the day
I was just going to make a similar comment haha! There is no regard for how wasteful and expensive (dilithium-wise) their routes are lol It seems like the Enterprise would go from the edges of Federation space out by Tholian space only to have them go to the Romulan Neutral Zone a few episodes later. I get that having the Flagship near Romulan space as a deterrent makes sense and explore the edge of Federation space within the Beta Quadrant. I also get that it's just a show and distances and timelines take backseat to the plot, but still...You'd think the writers would just have them explore the boundaries of a specific part of space, I'm sure there would have been enough writing material for 7 seasons still, not including episodes like Best of Both Worlds and Redemption where the Federation needed its Flagship for combat.
I remember one episode of DS9, "Valiant", where the one crewmember of the U.S.S Valiant mentioned that the other ship of Cadets were circumnavigating the Federation and it would take "years". Weyoun also mentioned how vast the Federation is. Also, in various throwaway lines in the shows and maybe in non-canon places it was mentioned that the Federation couldn't just overwhelm the Cardassians during their war because their ships were so spread out that they couldn't make it back to the front-lines in time.
its the issue with quantity or just 80-90s shows... sure TNG is the best- something like Expanse tv/ or book i havent read... just a few planets and moons can make endless stories... one doesnt need to travel the universe to create more stories... probably what they did in DS9 focuses and gives story more detail- though different time and after Gene Roddenberry
@@kaitlyn__L Because they are writers, not astrophysicists.
We also don't k ow exactly how much time passes between each episode. That doesn't fill in all the holes, but thinking each episode is only a week between in jniverse is a bit of a mistake to make. Could be several weeks or a couple of months before we arrive back with the crew.
It’s like a trek to the stars.
or, they're astronauts on some sort of star trek 😎
@@dan1216 *audience groans. Frakes laughs his way to the bank*
And there even have been Wars in these Stars!
Hm..that felt odd....
You'd think it would be more economical to put the Enterprise in a sector and have it sit there for a year doing everything that needs to be done, then move on. But then again, you paid for a cruise ship in space, and everyone wants to see it... I wonder if the journeys of the other Galaxy ships were so chaotic.
Realistic movements would be efficiently patrolling in an unpredictable way, responding to problems.
Which I suppose is implied by the show. They cruise around (sometimes having a drama episode), and only have major episodes when there is a crisis to respond to.
Awesome work. Amazing to see how little actual exploration the Enterprise was doing, mostly being a show of force along the neutral zone and dealing with political ferry assignments.
Flavored air device, lol, that's what flowers and a bakery is for.
The Enterprise is a meandering galactic cruise ship.
I hate to say my great great great grandfather was a soldier on the Trail of Tears, he was part of the route that went through North Louisiana. We have letters he wrote later in life saying he was ashamed of his part and spent his later life trying to make up for his part even if he was following orders he regretted his role.
By learning from our mistakes, we sometimes help others to make fewer mistakes.
Very impressed with the one episode speed run through 7 seasons. 🎉
You should try to do a mapping episode for Lower Decks! I imagine that would be considerably harder though.
I would love to, and yeah it would definitely be even harder! Lol
@@OrangeRiver ...that's what she said 😏
@@Aragorn7884
T'Lyn: "Are you making a phallus joke?" 🤨🖖
@@Kaede-Sasaki 🤷😉
Why go for harder, this probably took a couple of weeks to get to up loadable material idk, OrangeRiver is epic but only part human of course
Angel 1 placed right next to the word Patriarchy on the map. I see what they did there.
Can't wait till you map DS9's journey ;)
Glad to see you bring this to TNG, I really enjoyed the TOS video.
What I gathered from this is that there was a lot more stuff going on in the Beta Quadrant than I ever thought.
"Backed by doctors in the US", Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz.
That matches up with my maps exactly. Well done.
26:25 I got the impression from the episode that the planets visited in the chase were a LOT farther apart than that - Indri VIII for instance was stated to be well beyond the Federation (Galen points at a map at a point appearing to be at least ten thousand light years away from federation space), rather than poking distance from Bajor.
Yeah it's difficult to say for sure--obviously the Enterprise traveling THAT far in one episode is unreasonable, but I could imagine them being a significant distance apart in 3d space
Now I want to see a map of the NX-01’s travels
I'd love to make a video on that!
@@OrangeRiverI had Star Trek Star Charts a million years ago and I seem to remember that it had at least most of NX-01's journey mapped. Seeing how much of that is still supported in canon could make for an interesting spin on this type of vid.
Absolutely amazing, the amount of work you have put into this is wonderful. Thank you! And I hope Roddenberry is not rolling in his grave.
This was an amazing watch, you did a great job mapping the route and I learned that the Sol system is really close to the neutral zone. (Or at least it appears to be lol) You did an amazing job! Thumbs up 👍
Thank you!
Canonically the Romulans are really close to Earth, which is why humans come into conflict with Romulans so early before the Federation even is founded.
@@alexmckee4683 thanks for the confirmation, I’ve always wondered what the neutral zone looked like and where it was.
Would love to see a map like this for the Cerritos from Lower Decks, given how much overlap there is with these other two routes
Would love to do one for Lower Decks!
Since Brekka and Ornara are close to Breen space in the video, this reminds me of that episode where it was revealed that the Breen had occupied Brekka. Before being driven off by that A.I Texas Class ship.
This is pretty amazing and extremely detailed. Nice work
Thank you!
New drinking game: take a shot every time he says "near the Neutral Zone"
Flavored air device? That sounds pretty dumb, considering this is only an option for someone who already isn't addicted to nicotine anymore and if you're not addicted, you don't need to keep puffing on anything. You can just stop.
Cool so, what a lot of people do is they skip the sponsored segment. They're there to pay the bills, it's not that deep
@@OrangeRiver Idk why my reply keeps getting deleted. I guess I'll try again and keep it short. I watch the sponsor segments to support you because if I skip them, that's less watchtime for you, meaning you get promoted in the algorithm less etc. But that doesn't mean I can't criticize your sponsors. I didn't criticize you. I'm happy you're getting paid. The product is bad, you are not.
One of the curious things about Star Trek TNG was that the series was intended to feature the Enterprise out in the far depths of the unknown - hence all that talk in the pilot episode about Deneb IV being so far out on the fringe, and also the off-screen reason why families are on the ship, as it was meant to be a show where they were far from home and not going to return to familiar territory any time soon - only for them to effectively abandon this setup after Encounter At Farpoint, after which the Enterprise D more or less spent 7 years doing milk runs around a very small area of a much bigger map.
The star dates in the TNG era denoted the season of the shows from season 1 of TNG to the end of voyager by incrementing the second digit by 1
Wow, so much work must have gone into this! I was kind of hoping to see the whole route in the context of the whole galaxy, showing where the Gamma and Delta quadrants are, and where earth is, which isn't clear on your map.
stoked. been eagerly waiting
Frame of Mind is my absolute favorite episode!
It would be interesting to see a video like this on the travels of Star Trek Voyager.
Maybe the writers used the map as a target for Darts game, wherever the dart hit, its where the episode will play at :D
It's likely to be a short video, but you should keep this series going.
Next: Mapping the course of DS9.
SHORT VIDEO, like I said. gonna have to use the runabouts & Defiant as the station didn't move (except the once).
Dominion war bit would likely show the moat movement.
Should do it anyways.
After DS9, a more interesting video would be mapping Voyagers path.
What about Amargosa, Veridian, and the Las Vegas Hilton?
Haha, I considered including their destinations in the movies but decided against it.
I loved the vitriol with which you spat the episode title, "sub rosa".
Thank you for another excellent mapping video! Regardless of their accuracy, it's fun to try to tie the escapades from the show to real places and plot all the various territories out. I look forward to any similar future videos!
God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)
Nearest ship in the area!? What, the whole of Federation space!?
The D sure gets around like the town bicycle.
You talk about the Vape God pretty close to that sponsor plug. Careful.
LMAO
Love your nerdism man! It’s the kind of thing I used to want to do. When I had the energy and passion. Now you are doing it! Thank you from my inner geek! 💕
Great video!
I love your Star Trek Mappning.
5:36 that is literally just a shot of that planet from “first contact”, except the one building doesn’t look like an old tv anymore
This took a lot of work, great job. Will you be doing more of these, would be interested in seeing the path of the NX-01
I'd like to!
As always, great work Tyler! Fume money comin' in HOT!
Thanks Worf!
I had a dream last night where I was a college student and became Stident Manager of the Auditorium and people kept vaping in there, giving me lung cancer. Probably based on that song about Charlie Brown's teenage troubles. Maybe he should jave used Fum?
I didn’t know I was waiting for this video until now.
I swear that at the beginning of the intro he was about to say, "....and this is the imaginary axis". 👀
This map keeps giving me the impression that Romulan space is either "above" or "below" Federaton space... although to fit the motif of looming threat, I like to believe it's seen as "above" the Federation.
I actually made a 3D map of key Star Trek systems (might make a video about it), and funny enough I found that Star Charts isn't that far off. A Some Romulan systems are above and below the galactic plane, so you could see how they would fit in a vertical "column" when looking top down :D
@@OrangeRiver Make that damn video! And if you'd be cool with it/have the ability, maybe release it publicly? It could be a fantastic fan resource.
@trekker105 I'll have to figure out how to present it, and it's not really in a complete state, but I'll think about it for sure!
You did a great job! Love the map!
Thank you!
I was surprised to hear them mapping the coalsack nebula in TNG season 2(?) given how close it is and the extent of Federation space.
I always wondered why Alpha and Beta are on either side of Earth, considering Earth revolves around Sol. Therefore Alpha & Beta would constantly move as Earth does.
Be cool to see a voyager mapped out
They really racked up some Air Miles! 😂
You can never repay me for watching this whole thing 🖖
6:32 Respect!
Probably be a short video. But be cool to see Nx01 Enterprise adventures mapped put.
Did that trip to DS9 also account for the scene in DS9 EP1 “Emissary”? Because I actually don’t remember if that scene between Picard and Sisko was before or after the station moved to the wormhole, which it would have to be after for both the TNG and DS9 episodes to be one trip, as Bashir has a thing(TM) from said wormhole
That would have occurred after "Chain of Command," most likely -- an oversight on my part ;)
MY understanding if that the enterprise D was on many 'errands' while the Original Enterprise was actually exploring.
well, I didn't even watch the video, but stopped on the FUM add and signed up. so thanks for that! however, the amount of time this must have taken (judging by the video title)...great work (I think!)
I think what people are forgetting is that in Star Trek, various worlds only control their own inner star system. They have thousands of interstellar ships to patrol the space between stars, but those thousands of ships are patrolling a volume of space that would require literally trillions or even quadrillions of ships in real life. (And in real life you could actually build trillions of ships in a single star system without scratching the surface of the available resources, because most scifa like ST treats star systems as being tiny and resource poor, while in real life star systems are extremely resource rich.)
So while they've "explored" Federation space by visiting major star systems and sending probes to all the others, they haven't really explored them. They've done a flyby while sweeping long range sensors over it. That's a very different thing.
In a sphere of space 8000 light years across you'd expect hundreds of millions of planets, at the very low end of estimates. Starfleet has not sent away teams to hundreds of millions of planets:P. Especially give that Starfleet only had a few hundred active ships at any given time until the Dominion War forced them to rapidly expand.
So it's not unreasonable that Federation space is filled with planets and anomalies that have never been noticed before, because they can't possibly have looked at them all yet, at their snail's pace of exploration.
Yes mate well done
Great work!
Thank you!
Wow, the Enterprise traveled a lot less far than I thought, they just stayed near Federation space for the most part.
The Enterprise really got around, but then again it was the flagship so it makes sense. I bet Starfleet really pushed the exciting "Explore the Stars" when recruiting, only for most people to get assigned to some 30+ year old ship doing a 3 year stellar survey mission in some nowhere sector.
"and its apparently located here but we are not sure" :)
We see a giant curving line, then what is this? Why is there a giant line that goes way outside of the Galaxy and then back?
Wesley!
Neutral Zone II: Cardassian Boogaloo
Rascals was one of my favorite episodes.
great video!
Thank you so much!
I didn’t realize how large the Klingon Empire was. I like how it’s shaped just like Russia though. Appropriate and befitting of Roddenberry’s original concept.
It’s a bit insane how big it is, they must have subjugated hundreds (thousands?) of races to conquer all that territory. We don’t see them in everyday Klingon society so we can infer they’re marginalised or controlled in some way. I don’t see how the federation could ever have made friends with them at that point morally.
If you want to get pedantic (a whole new level of nitpicking), the Enterprise didn't "contact" the Dowd, they discovered them.
If I'm not mistaken, they also did not have any knowledge of the Husnock before this episode.
No wonder the Romulans were paranoid. Federation space almost surrounds theirs.
The ship that travelled the furthest, unquestionably, in the entire series.
Now you just need to map the Gamma Quadrant from Deep Space Nine & the Delta Quadrant from Voyager.
You're right, this is all VERY local travel! So was Geordi just exaggerating when he said that the Enterprise had clocked tens of thousands of light years by mid Season 3 (Booby Trap)?
Oh, I don't doubt they've clocked tens of thousands of light-years... just like how DNA strands can be miles long! Haha
The Angosians were petitioning for Federation membership this was certainly not the first Contact