Nah, calculators are different from AI. Trust me, it'll be so scary. The first year it will come, everybody will make fun of it but year by year, it will scare every coder even those who hold bigger positions because it will get better day by day and that's my friend the difference between AI and calculators. Calculators are more like a tool. AI is like an inexperienced employee who would get better the more experience he gains. I say this because I've seen it happen. Specifically, in the English transcription field. When speech-to-text was introduced, it was only at its best on clear audio 90% accurate. Then a year or two later, it became 95% accurate. And now, it's like 98% accurate on clear audio. It still struggles with bad-quality audio but since it can transcribe clear quality very well, the need for transcribers has shrunk down very much. And what's worst is that they cut down pay on difficult audio because now speech-to-text can help you speed up your work. But is that good? No. Transcribers now have to get paid half or less of what they were getting, they don't get that much work anymore since AI can do clear audio pretty well, and they have to deal with only very difficult audio. You should never trust them when they tell you, you can use it as a tool. What they trying to get you to do is pay for something that you'll end up training to replace you.
What I mean by training is that what they'll do is introduce it to you just as a simple unharmfull tool that would speed up your work. Then while you're using it to do your job and correct its mistakes, what you're doing is making it realize what its mistakes were which will then correct according to your corrections and learn from you to become better. This is basically what they did for transcribers and that's what they'll do for coders.
You got some fair points. I've been using GPT4 and really liking it, but it does get stuff wrong. When I correct it, I believe i'm indeed supplying it with more free learning. I do think however, that there is value in knowing why something works or doesnt, if you don't know how the GPT's solution works or does not work, you can't be a good judge.@@UseDucts
@@maxave7448 ChatGPT was released just 1 year ago. It can code, generate images, videos, write content, provide investment advice, offer legal advice, and much more. Are you expecting it to generate the best novel for you in just one year? Can you learn all of these skills I mentioned above in your lifetime? AI is just in its early stage of development; just wait and see.
100%...i would even extend that to say a lot of jobs that require a higher level understanding of a subject wouldn't become obsolete either. in fact people with such jobs would become a lot more productive since they don't have to do a lot of low level stuff and the quality of their work goes way up
It doesn’t matter how fast coding can be done. I am in a class that started with 24 people. There’s 9 of us left, and we just started intro to database systems. This profession will always require certain people with an actual desire to do the dang thing
Totally agree, I have been a programmer for 6 years. I have offered to teach ~25 people how to code basic programs in python personally for free. 1 person actually said yes and he only did one tutoring session. The reality is most people don’t have the logical mind required.
@@BigDogRenzel lol no way I have done exactly the same and had the same results (just with fewer people) People are annoyed and complain they don't earn a lot of money, so I offer to teach and they either don't want to start or give up! Like wtf 😂
@@BigDogRenzel I wanna learn python... teach me! It'll be fun because I'm not a total noob i.e. I know the difference between strings and integers and such..
Yep. I'm in engineering and write a lot of Visual Basic, C and Python. If I try to give a member of my team (engineers, technical people) a tool that will do 100 hours of work in a minute and it requires them to type something into command prompt or write a single line of code with a very clear guide, they will not use it, so every project like that is a non-starter. Some people just want to sit at a desk and get their paycheck and don't care much about improvement, efficiency, or problem solving outside of their routine tasks. Until we have a tool that does literally everything after given a raw dataset and delivers a clean output without having to do much debugging, not everyone will use it, and I wouldn't trust the output of something I can't check step by step. Any aspiring engineers reading this: learn to code, you will be at such an advantage even if you only use it to automate office tasks.
People just jump on any hype for clicks and views. Before it's crypto, then nft, Blockchain, now AI. There are potential to everything but the hype needs to go away... Playing into people emotions to get views is sad
This AI fever I am sick off. I feel like it 's only purpose it to deprecate the previous sources. Let me explain: Books got obsolete mostly in the field though there are still books published. StackOverflow has millions of questions answered and updated. AI can explain almost obsolete or deprecated libraries while things are ever changing. Corporations are hyped with FOMO in this AI thing and they enforce their stuff to use it without even understanding its short falls and problems or in which field is really applying in practise. It is just capitalism in its core, throw it all over the world and hey, we are on a new technology era. I don't say learning or getting help to code from a book or stackoverflow is better but in the same way AI is not either. In conclusion, we are not gonna use a "new set of tools", we are just going to add this one for now in our current set and tinker around it as well as we do with the rest of our tools. In a way we are blacksmiths. You just do not go and tell them which tools to use for better swords or something because you are hyped about it and you think it's going to solve the underlying problems. Full disclosure: if you let all your developers go and replace them with AI, I give it 1-3 years that the whole corporate infrastructure will just stop working at all. my opinion, obviously :)
Your conclusion is reliant on the presumption that AI will always be just as useful as any other tool. But that's just unjustified imo. With the proliferation of super powerful computers in this race for AI and control, really, everyone is trying to produce their own chips and there are rapid advancements in Quantum computing, I could surely see the possibility of an AGI that surpasses all human-exclusivism in the near future. We've been saying only humans can do this and only humans can do that and we've been proven wrong on so many of those things that it's no longer reasonable to have such assumptions. I'd say we're no longer the only ones who can use tools, we may very well be the tools that computers and AI uses. And that's a scary thought but it's not far-fetched at all.
@@j.r.r.tolkien8724 🤔 "Everyone" is practically some corporations. So it's not really everyone and it's certainly not you (I suppose) and me. In that sense is where I render the whole phenomenon as a "fever". It's mostly corporations that advertise heavily on the matter and the media do so as well. About the human replacement: have you encountered katana swords that are made by a factory (meaning with no human touch during production) and being really appreciated by katana users? Indeed that's kinda difficult or specialised example but that's what I mean on "blacksmith" parallelism. > [...] that it's no longer reasonable to have such assumptions [...] [...] I'd say we're no longer the only ones who can use tools, [...]
I think you are completely missing the point. Where you needed 20 developers you can get by with 10. As these tools get more powerful and more reliable you can by with less and less people. That represents enormous savings. Cant really be understated. It is a mistake to think you have to fully replace a person for AI to have a big impact on productivity.
Also, AI actually helps in the learning process, as you can ask questions to understand why something is being sone a certain way. I've actually had the experience of finding insightful information that I was not able to find on google (despite variation on the search term and going beyond the first page).
@@technolus5742 tbh, rn companies ask their stuff to use these tools. and they are pushy. Companies will reduce their expenses as they do every time "it is needed". Also, companies do not have concrete idea of what they want to make (like a product or service) which is a job on it's own and not to be thrown at devs which is tend to be the norm. Now, devs are "slowing down" corporations because they ask about the holes which were left open when the planning was taking place. and that's a problem affecting GPTs as well: "hallucinations" are the tons of assumptions you let them calculate when you are not exact to what you want. in the end, you have to explain everything to a machine and be so specific which as a progress is not so far from coding it. and yes, GPTs are helping on breaking ground with something you didn't know before if they have fed on enough data already. but truly truly, using these while you don't really know what you are doing, you 'll end up with pasta code you 'd have no idea how to fix or make sense of. it's different though to talk about AIs while you mean GPTs.
if customers think they can suddenly become good coders because of AI... they will soon realize they dont really understand their changing "wants" would effectively render any "simple" program they obsolete in a few months. 😂
Copilot is making programmers dumb and it requires lesser skills to produce a piece of program. If companies adopt copilot then computer science degree would lose their value and so would any "programmer".
"Everyone will be a coder" is what people were saying when "High level languages" came along. You know, like C++. AI tools won't level the playing field. It will make ok programmers pretty good.
Even just something as simple as chat gpt is incredible for making basic programs Of course inevitably you're gonna need to do some code yourself because all of the "AI" models are based on training data they have consumed, they can't really create anything fully new per se but it really streamlines the process
@@tsrenisexcept they will be able to, that's why it's called artificial "Intelligence". That would be AGI and I believe it is definitely possible to make. And for all we know, "they" may well already have it behind the curtain.
As an actual programmer and person who has worked in the IT for years: this is bullshit. We already had similar “revolutions”, data-entry folks were supposed to go away because everyone will be able to do it, database guys were supposed to go away because everyone will be able to do it, webdevs and all frontend devs were supposed to go away because it’ll be so easy do to this and here we are with all those jobs still needed and paid reasonably well. The truth is most people are just technologically illiterate and they will be because they don’t care and they don’t need to. There won’t be “1 bilion programmers” just as there aren’t 1 billion plumbers even tho you can look everything you need up on the internet since the 90s
Coding is a abstract language that requires a mind that understands that, and lots of people are unable to code because they just do not think like that. Coding will go away for lots of people, but the way coding was done last year is already changing because of AI. If i was on the fence for getting a computer science degree, i would wait or change to a EE degree. The world is about to change, much like how the world changed with the car!
@@johnjay6370Man you don't know what do you talk. "I would wait to get a computer since degree" This type of comment are just for leasy people. If you don't get a degree you will start in most cases with lower pay and it's harder to get promoted. And don't even think about getting into a big company. And ai will not replace programmers. With air there will be even more lol
Saw a good meme for this, "For AI to replace software engineers, project managers would have to accurately describe what they want.... don't worry, we're safe."
😂😂😂 True. But also, AI seems to gain better intuition day by day. There's the odd times when it'll suggest something really profound or tell you something you never knew about. That'll only get more frequent as time goes on.
@@Jackson_Zheng yeah I do see the likely probability of it being like a step by step answer questions/choose options as you go along type of thing when engineering specific AI apps start appearing, which will be especially powerful when it has access to and understands the users entire codebase.
@@Jackson_Zheng true! But you can never hold an AI responsible. If things go wrong, the leaders won't have anyone to blame but themselves. Thus, no leaders in any corporate company would want an "AI-only" structure. So software developers who are willing to take the blame and responsibility will always be in need. Also, with AI reducing so many repetitive tasks, we will make sure we have so much more to achieve. We have light years to catch up according to Kardashev scale.
@@BhoopalanIlayalwar It depends on what we think of as a "company". When most people think of a company they think of an organisation whose sole purpose is to profit and grow, but if you think of companies as self sustaining service providers and product producers, then an AI run company wouldn't seem too bad. Plus, not everything is run by humans. We forget how much of our world is "run" mother nature. Look at the weather and the water cycle. Imagine if the weather stopped working one day and we had to rely on a company or an organisation to provide "weather services" to evaporate the ocean manually to create clouds and weather patterns - it doesn't sound too far fetched. But since mother nature has taken care of that, we don't need to worry about it. In the same way, then mother nature fucks up and accidentally makes a hurricane, we don't really "blame" anyone or anything do we? So, in the same way, I think that in the future, basic food production, water treatment, and other infrastructure might be handed over to AI to manage when it eventually becomes safer and more reliable than human staff/operators. If something goes wrong (which may happen from time to time as with anything), we won't necessarily blame it on anyone but on just bad luck - much like the weather.
I know right? Software development has _nothing_ to do with data, architecture, feedback loops, or user requirements. Those ideas clearly only matter to data scientists. /s
@@TheArrowedKneeThat's one very valid point, imo. If programming wasn't well paid and important as it is now, it would've been generally dissed by the society I think.
@@Lambdaphile Wasn't entirely what i was referring to, just saying that not everyone really can be bothered to sit in front of a screen and solve problems for hours on end.
Nah, there certainly will. Making Python scripts is something even middle schoolers can do. This alone makes them coders. Stress of deadlines? Bro is giving too much weight on the word “coder”
Even with AI, someone who doesn't understand complex algorithms still won't understand them. AI helps one learn faster, but it can't engineer complex code for you.
@@UtsavArvind-ox8li🤦 school has brainwashed you into becoming a 9-5 slave. If AI is so good to replace all programmes (I am a software engineer), that's even better, that means I can leverage AI to create a technology startup. Start my own business.
@@Jesusaross🤦 school has brainwashed you into becoming a 9-5 slave. If AI is so good to replace all programmes (I am a software engineer), that's even better, that means I can leverage AI to create a technology startup. Start my own business.
Ai saves you the embarrassment of getting roasted for not referencing a thread in Reddit or asking an already answered question in stack overflow. It’s like having a personal assistant that doesn’t mind that you have asked the same question ten times. Ai will explain it over and over in whatever way you want it to. That’s valuable.
Lovely. This is great news for a solutions architect like myself. Building systems that work, without friction for the user, is not a technical skill. It's about compassion, and a deep understanding of this.
You still need to code AI to get it started. Also someone has to supply the data set. AI is a tool, not a robot. AI is good because it can process things better than a human, however humans still have the upper hand when it comes to intelligence
It will be extremely hard for someone who doesn't know the thermonology used in programming to speak with an AI on how to make an application or automation.
All the coders that invested into a single framework will be doomed. The coders that have always adopted a language agnostic mindset and understand architectures and how they communicate will be the next rockstars with AI.
I hope you aren’t referring to chatgpt, because it wasn’t even made with coding in mind. It’s a language model that happens to be able to produce some code. Imagine in a few years when ai that is designed for coding could do.
I do use AI already. Not for writing the whole thing, but it’s faster and give me full answer that I can check and tailor better to my case. It’s faster than getting yelled at and humiliated on stack Overflow, problem is sometimes typing for the prompts takes longer than typing the code itself lol.
True i also use it for searching docs and fix minor stuff, the logic and the flow on how to finish my work is still on me tho so its just a tool for me so that i can finish my work quickly
@@reykesyalramadhan4600 exactly, as it should be. Why should we deprive ourselves from using current technology? Or should we just write code by hand? … have fun with that.
@@ddwfw Make sure to learn your course materials really well first before depending on LLMs. You'll need that core knowledge to notice when they mess up.
@@ddwfw If you find that you enjoy programming, CS will give you a set of tools that will carry you through the hardest problems in your career! But also don't be afraid of switch majors if at some point you realize it's not your thing. It will be hard work, but you'll grow a lot no matter which path you take. Good luck!
So i improved myself with AI i do less coding by myself and more design and architecture and understanding requirements now. So yeah i am on manager level now for my projects 😅😎
With no coding experience, I built a color matching program with eight different python scripts embedded with a hundred so behaviors using photoshop actions to automate color matching; it’s a LUT creator that makes any footage look like the color grading of a chosen target image. It dramatically outperforms DaVinci’s color matching AI feature. The point is I knew nothing about programming when I started. I just had Chat GPT, and understood color correction, photoshop, and what needed to be done to get from Point A to Point B and the obstacles, what photoshop itself could not automate with actions, that would require extra python scripts.
People will be able to make simple scripts quickly... but when it comes to a software the seves to millions, that is salable, secure and fault tolerant with high uptime, it requires years of skill and practice... one error caused the new intern that pushed a buggy code shouldn't take entire system down... For example, my first big project after collage that took 5 months to make as team of 6(a messaging app) and only had 1 ~ms latency, but later we released for 1 million users, that algorithm to manage message for everyone take 30 years to sent instead of seconds...
@@vaisakh_km interesting, that makes a lot of sense. I don’t think programmers are going anywhere, if anything, their services and demand might increase as basic programming becomes more accessible with ChatGPT and AI is proliferated in every aspect of our society.
coding is just another language: it's like you are telling the computer what to do. if you know what you want to do, like in your example, you are mostly able to do it. yes, in your case you didn't learn to program but I am sure you messed a bit with the code because you could read which parts were doing the things you needed to be done slightly differently than the generated code.
@@kaotiskhund Exactly right, I had many bad iterations, as in possibly hundreds. I needed to interact with Photoshop's UI to select the average colors of the color target image to create a soft-light gradient layer with the colors and luminosity of the target image. However, there are heavy limiations with Photosho's scripting language with some features available only via selection in the UI; I had to find a creative way to get the average three colors of the target image. I reduced the target image to three colors via Photoshop's save feature, I just needed to save it as a GIF with only three colors. At first ChatGPT thought it was impossible to automate a process to extract those colors, since scripting a pixel-scanning feature would be location-dependent, and every image is different in sizes, resolution, etc... I figured out that I can create a photoshop action to reduce color image to one pixel (thus eliminating the location issue ) three times for each color. Then I scanned the pixel which effectively updated the MRU color list (temp memory for recently used colors in Photoshop's UI), then I wrote another code to extract the information from the MRU color list for last three colors recorded, meaning, the last three pixels that were scanned via the photoshop action. The scanning MRU color list feature is a code I borrowed from a random post that shared how to do this. Solving this allowed me to create (with no other input) a soft-light gradient adjustment layer with the average target colors and correct corresponding luminosity, thus automating a normally necessary step of hand-selecting a color via UI. There are many other processes in this action-script, but that was the biggest challenge! One example of the many times I had to examing the code was when I noticed that the program wasn't mapping luminosity correctly in the gradient layer. I realized that though in the UI the colors are based on 0-100, the raw data uses a different scale, I think up to 1600. I had to analyze the code to understand the differences and correct the code with simple arithmetic to get the numbers converted correctly.
I don't think people realize that AI is just a search engine on steroids. The information is still coming from *somewhere.* But he's right; programmers will morph into harnessing and maintaining code more than writing it.
Coding was never really about writing code. It's about understanding and implementing complex system logic. if singing was most efficient to do that, we would be all singing instead of coding, so it doesn't matter.
Literally why not? By “coder” do you mean you took a 30min html course on Udemy? Literally no established programmer would complain in having some extra help. Using AI doesn’t mean you’ll let it do everything, but you will let it help you, saves time and resources. Plus, to really use AI for coding, as it is now, you must at least know how to do it. ChatGPT cannot make functional apps not even with python, it may make a game or very simple things, but nothing longer and more difficult. And just for further background on you… if you do code… are you one of those that complain about python libraries? You know, the ones having to start from creating the universe on assembly before printing a “hello world” Literally shut up. I get so angry and worked up when people complain about advances in technology. If you hate it so much go live in a hut in the middle of some very far away country where the nearest human settlement is 1000 miles plus.
@@oliveryt7168 ya ik that..not sure if its for everyone but for me it was hard. I mean u don’t get time to learn these in office hours. U most probably have to do it in your personal time. I was fed up with it. Every 4 months my manager would come and say you guys have to be proficient in this skill in one month. We learn than in our personal time and when I switch job, that skill is no longer required. Happened with me a lot of times. I went for management role. Job is not easy here but after office I follow my other passions.
It’s great actually as a programmer myself I started using it as soon as it was available. It’s remarkable but in that same breath the more I guide it to solutions the more it becomes obvious that being an experienced engineer gives me a dramatic edge against anyone who isn’t one. It would be like a conductor guiding an orchestra vs an orangutan guiding the same orchestra.
It is scary looking at how it advanced in last 3 years, I have no doubt it's gonna get an extreme power up in the coming years. First semester project took me days to complete. I gave the same task to AI, took it less than 40 seconds to complete a functional code. I'm not saying it's going to replace every coder/programmer, but it's definitely gonna be the reason of mass layoffs in the coming future.
this was spot on - if you dont use AI now, you just cant compete (on most programming jobs)...what comes with it is increased productivity, but i feel like the requirements didnt yet jump...it was pretty hard to predict productivity already - now its even more confusing - we are in the transition period where few hours of work can make you seem like a very productive programmer - if you are doing a job you dont like, its at least easier to ease off until switching to another one, start business or whatnot
I love so much in this short video. "Everyone is a voder, nobody's a coder." "More about understanding information flows and architecting." Being very novice in this area, that's the first realization you have: it's not simply understanding the language, it's knowing how to structure it in a creative way. AI has leaped my understanding of if coding ahead 10 years in 6 months.
100% part of my workflow for simple refactors. i find that if you repeat yourself as much as you can, AI tools can help abstract better patterns and use hood design if you ask if it for it. It over abstracts here and there
@@samscott1484 because the AI can abstract for you. Obviously you want to follow good principles but you can rip out that mental overhead by letting the AI do it. If you know what you’re doing you can iterate on it as needed.
I see a lot of people saying a lot of stuff, I want to try to address some of it: Comment from other person: For coders to be disappeared, customers have to say *EXACTLY* what they want to AI. Solution 1: Have another AI break down all the steps to give on what functionality is needed to add the product Solution 2: Make it a QnA with the customer. After the AI thinks the program is well thought out and is good enough to be relayed to another AI, it will do so. Comment from other person: "Everyone will be a coder" is what people were saying when "High level languages" came along. Counterpoint: I agree that people said that, however this is another beast, we're talking about turning regular words into code. This is another form of high level programming, never thought possible 5 years ago. When you're able to write text in literal sentences and have it be translated to code, it doesn't get much higher level than that. That all said though, I don't think we're there yet with gpt4, perhaps with gpt5 or gpt6. I do dislike it as well. But I am also not going to fool myself into thinking AI is not insanely powerful (too powerful). I'd like the same people to keep that same tone for the next 5 years. You will be left in the dust. One more note, people saying it can't understand a big codebase, well not yet, another AI has 100k token "memory" limit, and is around gpt3 level. Just wait, shit will be getting crazy, and I hate it.
Devs, your jobs are secure, AI can't think for itself without your help, dont listen to anyone who says dont go get your computer science degree, you should definitely go do it at some point.
is not only about that, but big companies who don't have AI models will never let his developers use AI from other companies. What will happen if Apple developers use Chatgpt? then Microsoft will know what they are doing
Being a programmer is not just writing code, you have to understand systems and engineering them. Unless AI can explain the reasoning behind a design, I don’t see how people will sequentially build on top of existing or new code without that vision. There’s a million ways to skin a cat but there’s a right way to do it.
“Coding Traditionally”! It’s ridiculous how far we’ve gone that we call previous coders generation, traditional coders ! It feels like it was yesterday, first coders have been introduced in my community.
I have noticed that in school assignments, usually those who use AI tools and are not so skilled at programming tend to overrely on them, and lose a discerning eye for bad code and reasing documentation. For harder work or more niche work, they tend to avoid it altogether or still need to ask other more skilled programmers for help. And besides, when it comes to presenting and sharing ideas and products to either clients or senior management, AI can't automate everything, things like diagrams and presentation skills are still up to you, who designed the architecture to create and showcase. So no, programners are not going to disappear, but certain tedious jobs in programming are going to be automatable (w.g writing test cases, debugging syntax errors), and there will definitely need to be a paradigm shift in what is desired as a programmer given that AI assistance exists.
true, I often use AI at school (i study computer science) to help me debug/design code but i've been doing this stuff since middle school everyone in my class that I know use AI everytime are the same ones that can't design, write and debug basic programs
No. And the reason is incredibly simple. AI takes in a command or query. For devs it will mostly be queries asking for assistent. Now, how good is the general public in queries? Critical thinking about bulk data and understanding relationships? Also, given answers by AI are not always correct unless really really specific. And we all know how bad the endusers are with being specific and critical.. so dont worry.. our jobs aren't going anywhere. But you do need to keep up to date, like always.
Have to be careful about it. Unfettered development, especially with something as new and untested as AI, can and will be dangerous. There are coders out there who now use AI, often against company policy. Those policies are there for good reason.
This what I been saying to all these ai doomers. Especially the artists. If you’re an artist and ai replaced you sorry it just means you’re bad and refuse to learn new tools. Real artists are using ai to make them even more creative
I am using VHDL/SystemVerilog in aerospace and there's no way AI will replace or at least supplement our workload in a major way anytime soon... I am even sceptical it ever will, although who knows what will be in 20 years
Im studying software development, I use Chat GPT for prettyy much all of my code. Sometimes for something simple like "What is the syntax for switch in [language]" up to "What tool can I use sychronize these two database servers". I am learning a ton of code and architectures. I still have to learn it, but AI is a great way to look up information.
These AI things have made my life way more easier.. Basically I am the master and I keep telling AI what I want and obviously also verify.. Very few times it gives incorrect results(output shown in it does not match output in the actual ide).. but overall very happy..
I just bank on the fact that most people don’t code, currently. They don’t understand what to ask the AI for, or what technologies go together. The more important skill is thinking broadly about what you need and what to ask the AI. Also the focus should always be about the tool you are building and higher level functionality. If you can just build the tool and offer value, you can get a job maintaining the thing or making other tools faster. It sucks that it devalues the skill because now we are expected to code faster for less money. However, you could also see this as an opportunity to build software easier, making you a more valuable programmer because you can produce complex ideas and sell them to companies much easier. We also still have a lot of problems. Many folks cannot utilize AI currently because the databases are owned by private companies that will have access to things they shouldn’t. For example, OpenAI is useless in the government because of national security concerns. Until the government makes its own chat bot, you are gonna have tons of traditional programmers still not using any AI.
Already used chagpt4 and copilot for production code now for about 7 months. Its not a panacea for sure...and there are left-field issues that we never thought of...so its possible even with the current capabilities of these language models to generate code thatvis extremely hard for a human being to maintain. I am speaking from experience. The copilot has no "write it maintainibly for humans" style guide. Also for larger projects or projects with several layers the copilot has difficulty with the current capabilities to have a big picture view. There are other more technical issues that i won't go into here, but trust me, it aint as simple as this short is giving the impression of.
as an engineer, programming is just a tools to complete business requirements There way more apart from coding, decision making, feature design, customer feedback etc Good to have AI as a tool such as copilot But depends on nature of business, pure AI without actual someone you can talk and blame is impossible
It's the exact opposite; the nature of programming isn't going to change, it's the writing of code that is. 'Coding' is such a derogatory term, because writing code is only like 10% of your job as a software developer, and that's the only thing AI can really replace.
5 years ago --- everyone should learn coding, AI will replace factory workers and drivers. If thwy can't learn to code they should do something creative like a writer or artist. Today -- AI has started replacing coders and artists first before they did anything else. 😂😂
Even with current AI tech, you still need to know software development to make it do what it ought to do for you. And you really better pay attention because these language models can make silly mistakes.
You need to keep the big picture in mind when you program, the AI can only be aware of snippets so far. And if it one day can improve itself, then literally everyone is obsolete.
I could consistently give you pristine code, but it doesnt mean you know how to scale it, change it for client requirements, keep it up to date and deploy it efficently on cloud infrastructure. AI cant replace coders because then AI would have to use a language dedicated on building itself, building the environments and deploying it. If you had that level of i/o control from an AI model alone thats already revolutionary
I think it will make simple automations and scripts easily accessible to generate for entry level programmers or technology enthusiasts and it will Make good programmers more productive and save some time. I don’t think the current technology will replace great programmers, but within 5-10 years idk. Even if that was the case I believe computer programmers will still have a massive advantage with the tooling
Calling bs Writing a piece of code is one thing. Creating adjustable software Version controlling Changeability with out breaking everything else that s what coding is about and this needs foresight. Something a.i. still needs to develop
Not only will generative AI not replace a single job, I don’t even think it will replace a single tool. I use both ChatGPT and Bard everyday but I still go on Stack Overflow and read documentation. Generative AI, won’t even make search obsolete. It’s a completely different value proposition
it's taken me a couple of months to realise that chatgpt 3.5 is heavily limited. it speeds up the drudgery but doesn't replace the creative problem solving or bug fixing
When GPT was released, you could ask it anything; there were no limitations on its creativity. Now, if you were to ask how to cook rice, it would say, 'Please ask a local professional to do it and keep a fire extinguisher ready.'😅
I think one of the unfortunate consequences might be with open source programming. A major reason for open source projects is having a lot of people contributing that wouldn’t really be possible with a proprietary model. However with AI doing a heavy part of coding, this can make it less likely to open up certain projects.
I work in the semi conductor industry and no matter what kind of AI comes, our job can not be replaced. Basically our machine makes AI possible. So AI advancements has always to wait for our company's breakthroughs. Our tools makes 1nm chips possible.
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Calculators didn't make mathematicians obsolete, it only made simple arithmetics obsolete.
Nah, calculators are different from AI. Trust me, it'll be so scary. The first year it will come, everybody will make fun of it but year by year, it will scare every coder even those who hold bigger positions because it will get better day by day and that's my friend the difference between AI and calculators. Calculators are more like a tool. AI is like an inexperienced employee who would get better the more experience he gains. I say this because I've seen it happen. Specifically, in the English transcription field. When speech-to-text was introduced, it was only at its best on clear audio 90% accurate. Then a year or two later, it became 95% accurate. And now, it's like 98% accurate on clear audio. It still struggles with bad-quality audio but since it can transcribe clear quality very well, the need for transcribers has shrunk down very much. And what's worst is that they cut down pay on difficult audio because now speech-to-text can help you speed up your work. But is that good? No. Transcribers now have to get paid half or less of what they were getting, they don't get that much work anymore since AI can do clear audio pretty well, and they have to deal with only very difficult audio. You should never trust them when they tell you, you can use it as a tool. What they trying to get you to do is pay for something that you'll end up training to replace you.
What I mean by training is that what they'll do is introduce it to you just as a simple unharmfull tool that would speed up your work. Then while you're using it to do your job and correct its mistakes, what you're doing is making it realize what its mistakes were which will then correct according to your corrections and learn from you to become better. This is basically what they did for transcribers and that's what they'll do for coders.
You got some fair points. I've been using GPT4 and really liking it, but it does get stuff wrong. When I correct it, I believe i'm indeed supplying it with more free learning. I do think however, that there is value in knowing why something works or doesnt, if you don't know how the GPT's solution works or does not work, you can't be a good judge.@@UseDucts
@senbonzakura662 That's just the introduction, buddy
Bro u have no idea what ai is lol .
Everybody can write, but not everybody can write books.
😂😂 This is an excellent quote for the whole situation, like we aren't that easily replaceable, we'll just adapt and be more productive
But Ai can write book
@@tathagata_roy Name one successful novel writren by AI. Ill wait.
Golden quote ❤❤❤❤
@@maxave7448 ChatGPT was released just 1 year ago. It can code, generate images, videos, write content, provide investment advice, offer legal advice, and much more. Are you expecting it to generate the best novel for you in just one year? Can you learn all of these skills I mentioned above in your lifetime? AI is just in its early stage of development; just wait and see.
People who are scared of AI taking over programming have never actually studied AI or programming.
Yeah the programmers that can be overtaken by Ai, are useless anyway and I don't want them anywhere close to my project 😂
I think it is important that we start to differentiate between 'coder' and 'programmer' especially in this context.
I'm studying AI development and I'm worried AI will replace me 😂
You’ll be able to use AI to just scan and rebuild other Top Coders projects / skills.
100%...i would even extend that to say a lot of jobs that require a higher level understanding of a subject wouldn't become obsolete either. in fact people with such jobs would become a lot more productive since they don't have to do a lot of low level stuff and the quality of their work goes way up
It doesn’t matter how fast coding can be done. I am in a class that started with 24 people. There’s 9 of us left, and we just started intro to database systems. This profession will always require certain people with an actual desire to do the dang thing
Totally agree, I have been a programmer for 6 years. I have offered to teach ~25 people how to code basic programs in python personally for free. 1 person actually said yes and he only did one tutoring session. The reality is most people don’t have the logical mind required.
@@BigDogRenzel lol no way I have done exactly the same and had the same results (just with fewer people)
People are annoyed and complain they don't earn a lot of money, so I offer to teach and they either don't want to start or give up!
Like wtf 😂
@@BigDogRenzel I wanna learn python... teach me! It'll be fun because I'm not a total noob i.e. I know the difference between strings and integers and such..
@g.t.7765 that’s valid. If it’s not the average starting salary, it’s because of the buzz words and the names.
Yep. I'm in engineering and write a lot of Visual Basic, C and Python. If I try to give a member of my team (engineers, technical people) a tool that will do 100 hours of work in a minute and it requires them to type something into command prompt or write a single line of code with a very clear guide, they will not use it, so every project like that is a non-starter. Some people just want to sit at a desk and get their paycheck and don't care much about improvement, efficiency, or problem solving outside of their routine tasks. Until we have a tool that does literally everything after given a raw dataset and delivers a clean output without having to do much debugging, not everyone will use it, and I wouldn't trust the output of something I can't check step by step. Any aspiring engineers reading this: learn to code, you will be at such an advantage even if you only use it to automate office tasks.
For coders to be disappeared, customers have to say **EXACTLY** what they want to AI.
So don't worry guys
We will survive
Remember… you’re a programmer because you’re smart. Really really smart. You can do anything.
More like 5 procent will survive..
But AI can potentially do anything that a human can!
@@lavrikmaksim1814 u sure bro?
Ai can prompt itself… omg
I have been hearing this BS that programming will be obsolete in the near future for 15 years.
Doesn't bother me gatekeeper
People just jump on any hype for clicks and views. Before it's crypto, then nft, Blockchain, now AI. There are potential to everything but the hype needs to go away... Playing into people emotions to get views is sad
This AI fever I am sick off. I feel like it 's only purpose it to deprecate the previous sources. Let me explain: Books got obsolete mostly in the field though there are still books published. StackOverflow has millions of questions answered and updated. AI can explain almost obsolete or deprecated libraries while things are ever changing. Corporations are hyped with FOMO in this AI thing and they enforce their stuff to use it without even understanding its short falls and problems or in which field is really applying in practise.
It is just capitalism in its core, throw it all over the world and hey, we are on a new technology era.
I don't say learning or getting help to code from a book or stackoverflow is better but in the same way AI is not either.
In conclusion, we are not gonna use a "new set of tools", we are just going to add this one for now in our current set and tinker around it as well as we do with the rest of our tools.
In a way we are blacksmiths. You just do not go and tell them which tools to use for better swords or something because you are hyped about it and you think it's going to solve the underlying problems.
Full disclosure: if you let all your developers go and replace them with AI, I give it 1-3 years that the whole corporate infrastructure will just stop working at all.
my opinion, obviously :)
Your conclusion is reliant on the presumption that AI will always be just as useful as any other tool. But that's just unjustified imo. With the proliferation of super powerful computers in this race for AI and control, really, everyone is trying to produce their own chips and there are rapid advancements in Quantum computing, I could surely see the possibility of an AGI that surpasses all human-exclusivism in the near future. We've been saying only humans can do this and only humans can do that and we've been proven wrong on so many of those things that it's no longer reasonable to have such assumptions. I'd say we're no longer the only ones who can use tools, we may very well be the tools that computers and AI uses. And that's a scary thought but it's not far-fetched at all.
@@j.r.r.tolkien8724 🤔 "Everyone" is practically some corporations. So it's not really everyone and it's certainly not you (I suppose) and me. In that sense is where I render the whole phenomenon as a "fever". It's mostly corporations that advertise heavily on the matter and the media do so as well.
About the human replacement: have you encountered katana swords that are made by a factory (meaning with no human touch during production) and being really appreciated by katana users? Indeed that's kinda difficult or specialised example but that's what I mean on "blacksmith" parallelism.
> [...] that it's no longer reasonable to have such assumptions [...] [...] I'd say we're no longer the only ones who can use tools, [...]
I think you are completely missing the point. Where you needed 20 developers you can get by with 10. As these tools get more powerful and more reliable you can by with less and less people. That represents enormous savings. Cant really be understated.
It is a mistake to think you have to fully replace a person for AI to have a big impact on productivity.
Also, AI actually helps in the learning process, as you can ask questions to understand why something is being sone a certain way. I've actually had the experience of finding insightful information that I was not able to find on google (despite variation on the search term and going beyond the first page).
@@technolus5742 tbh, rn companies ask their stuff to use these tools. and they are pushy.
Companies will reduce their expenses as they do every time "it is needed".
Also, companies do not have concrete idea of what they want to make (like a product or service) which is a job on it's own and not to be thrown at devs which is tend to be the norm.
Now, devs are "slowing down" corporations because they ask about the holes which were left open when the planning was taking place. and that's a problem affecting GPTs as well: "hallucinations" are the tons of assumptions you let them calculate when you are not exact to what you want.
in the end, you have to explain everything to a machine and be so specific which as a progress is not so far from coding it.
and yes, GPTs are helping on breaking ground with something you didn't know before if they have fed on enough data already.
but truly truly, using these while you don't really know what you are doing, you 'll end up with pasta code you 'd have no idea how to fix or make sense of. it's different though to talk about AIs while you mean GPTs.
You know it's BS when someone promises that all your problems are going to disappear 😅
The good thing is is that your suffering wont even register.
Exactly 😄
if customers think they can suddenly become good coders because of AI... they will soon realize they dont really understand their changing "wants" would effectively
render any "simple" program they obsolete in a few months. 😂
we are at a turning point in civilization. we have no clue where this technology can take us.
Copilot is making programmers dumb and it requires lesser skills to produce a piece of program. If companies adopt copilot then computer science degree would lose their value and so would any "programmer".
Understanding data flow, architecting things and understanding customer requirements is what software engineering has been about since its inception
People don't really get that writting code is just the fun bit
Exactly the comment I was looking for
"Everyone will be a coder" is what people were saying when "High level languages" came along. You know, like C++. AI tools won't level the playing field. It will make ok programmers pretty good.
It will make them “pretty good” in the past.
we should have just stuck to C, the whole world would be a lot simpler and better
Even just something as simple as chat gpt is incredible for making basic programs
Of course inevitably you're gonna need to do some code yourself because all of the "AI" models are based on training data they have consumed, they can't really create anything fully new per se but it really streamlines the process
@@tsrenisexcept they will be able to, that's why it's called artificial "Intelligence". That would be AGI and I believe it is definitely possible to make. And for all we know, "they" may well already have it behind the curtain.
@@_khaineyou and i probably wouldnt be commenting on a youtube short right now if that was the case.
Everyone has a camera on their phones; not everyone is a photographer.
Eh... but in that example, it makes coding sound like it will be a super over-saturated field. Idk. This is weird
@@k.c.simonsen2its already oversaturated 😭
Insightfull. Everybody have 2 legs and it dose t make them olimpic athletes. So the key is interior fire 🔥 pasión 🔥.
As an actual programmer and person who has worked in the IT for years: this is bullshit. We already had similar “revolutions”, data-entry folks were supposed to go away because everyone will be able to do it, database guys were supposed to go away because everyone will be able to do it, webdevs and all frontend devs were supposed to go away because it’ll be so easy do to this and here we are with all those jobs still needed and paid reasonably well.
The truth is most people are just technologically illiterate and they will be because they don’t care and they don’t need to. There won’t be “1 bilion programmers” just as there aren’t 1 billion plumbers even tho you can look everything you need up on the internet since the 90s
i think coding is accessible like writing an article, but only a few master the art
Exactly, not everyone‘s writing articles.
Coding is a abstract language that requires a mind that understands that, and lots of people are unable to code because they just do not think like that. Coding will go away for lots of people, but the way coding was done last year is already changing because of AI. If i was on the fence for getting a computer science degree, i would wait or change to a EE degree. The world is about to change, much like how the world changed with the car!
@@johnjay6370 yep i agree😉
Well said
@@johnjay6370Man you don't know what do you talk. "I would wait to get a computer since degree" This type of comment are just for leasy people. If you don't get a degree you will start in most cases with lower pay and it's harder to get promoted. And don't even think about getting into a big company. And ai will not replace programmers. With air there will be even more lol
Saw a good meme for this, "For AI to replace software engineers, project managers would have to accurately describe what they want.... don't worry, we're safe."
😂😂😂 True. But also, AI seems to gain better intuition day by day. There's the odd times when it'll suggest something really profound or tell you something you never knew about. That'll only get more frequent as time goes on.
@@Jackson_Zheng yeah I do see the likely probability of it being like a step by step answer questions/choose options as you go along type of thing when engineering specific AI apps start appearing, which will be especially powerful when it has access to and understands the users entire codebase.
but for how long tho?
@@Jackson_Zheng true!
But you can never hold an AI responsible. If things go wrong, the leaders won't have anyone to blame but themselves. Thus, no leaders in any corporate company would want an "AI-only" structure. So software developers who are willing to take the blame and responsibility will always be in need.
Also, with AI reducing so many repetitive tasks, we will make sure we have so much more to achieve. We have light years to catch up according to Kardashev scale.
@@BhoopalanIlayalwar It depends on what we think of as a "company". When most people think of a company they think of an organisation whose sole purpose is to profit and grow, but if you think of companies as self sustaining service providers and product producers, then an AI run company wouldn't seem too bad. Plus, not everything is run by humans. We forget how much of our world is "run" mother nature. Look at the weather and the water cycle. Imagine if the weather stopped working one day and we had to rely on a company or an organisation to provide "weather services" to evaporate the ocean manually to create clouds and weather patterns - it doesn't sound too far fetched. But since mother nature has taken care of that, we don't need to worry about it. In the same way, then mother nature fucks up and accidentally makes a hurricane, we don't really "blame" anyone or anything do we? So, in the same way, I think that in the future, basic food production, water treatment, and other infrastructure might be handed over to AI to manage when it eventually becomes safer and more reliable than human staff/operators. If something goes wrong (which may happen from time to time as with anything), we won't necessarily blame it on anyone but on just bad luck - much like the weather.
As a seasoned programmer, the only thing I can tell you is: have fun debugging your AI-made programs.
You’re assuming these LLMs are as far as AI goes in the next several years.
What did you mean exactly by a seasoned programmer?
Exactly
@@paultvshow another web dev probably
I mean ai can also be used to debug a lot faster but it’s more of trying to get the ai to do exactly what you want consistently
how to reveal yourself as an "AI enthusiast" AKA "import tensorflow as tf" enthusiast
adding some model.fit() would be nice
I know right? Software development has _nothing_ to do with data, architecture, feedback loops, or user requirements. Those ideas clearly only matter to data scientists. /s
> 2023
> Still using tensorflow instead of pytorch
I don't agree that there would be bilions of coders 😅 A lot of people canoot and will not handle the stress of deadlines and fixing bugs...
Yeah programming isn't for everyone. That isn't going to change regardless of AI.
@@TheArrowedKneeThat's one very valid point, imo. If programming wasn't well paid and important as it is now, it would've been generally dissed by the society I think.
@@Lambdaphile Wasn't entirely what i was referring to, just saying that not everyone really can be bothered to sit in front of a screen and solve problems for hours on end.
Nah, there certainly will. Making Python scripts is something even middle schoolers can do. This alone makes them coders. Stress of deadlines? Bro is giving too much weight on the word “coder”
Even with AI, someone who doesn't understand complex algorithms still won't understand them. AI helps one learn faster, but it can't engineer complex code for you.
Simple as you've just said
Self denial.. it's a good thing bro
Yet.
@@UtsavArvind-ox8li🤦 school has brainwashed you into becoming a 9-5 slave. If AI is so good to replace all programmes (I am a software engineer), that's even better, that means I can leverage AI to create a technology startup. Start my own business.
@@Jesusaross🤦 school has brainwashed you into becoming a 9-5 slave. If AI is so good to replace all programmes (I am a software engineer), that's even better, that means I can leverage AI to create a technology startup. Start my own business.
Ai saves you the embarrassment of getting roasted for not referencing a thread in Reddit or asking an already answered question in stack overflow. It’s like having a personal assistant that doesn’t mind that you have asked the same question ten times. Ai will explain it over and over in whatever way you want it to. That’s valuable.
Won't you get less money though?Genuine question.
@@fulanibnfulan8764 no, AI only weeds out the useless workers. If anything, it will increase pay
@@fulanibnfulan8764not jsut anyone can guide an A.I. For larger projects you can’t just let it do what it wants
@@codingsafari well it depends on what your asking it. You’ve got to know how to leverage AI to your favor.
@@Vivi-xn9iz it’ll popularize new departments for Data Scientists. Most businesses don’t even know what to ask for in a job posting.
Tell me you've never ever worked on a programming project bigger than a calculator without telling me.
So precise 👌
The fundamentals will take some years to change.
Lovely. This is great news for a solutions architect like myself. Building systems that work, without friction for the user, is not a technical skill. It's about compassion, and a deep understanding of this.
There won't be billions of programmers.
And I can personally tell you that.
I agree
Till there’s so much garbage code that it’ll take billions of programmers to sift and fix it all
You still need to code AI to get it started. Also someone has to supply the data set. AI is a tool, not a robot. AI is good because it can process things better than a human, however humans still have the upper hand when it comes to intelligence
Yeah, I just like right now there’s not billions of programmers everyone will move with the times and adapt
I can agree to this. I am a programmer by profession, and even I do not think I am a "programmer"., you know?
It will be extremely hard for someone who doesn't know the thermonology used in programming to speak with an AI on how to make an application or automation.
“And when everyone’s a programmer… no one will be”
If everyone breathes, does that mean no-one breathes?
@@mrlightwriter watch the incredibles
All the coders that invested into a single framework will be doomed. The coders that have always adopted a language agnostic mindset and understand architectures and how they communicate will be the next rockstars with AI.
Are we talking about the same AI that research shows gives bugged code 80% of the time?
No.
I hope you aren’t referring to chatgpt, because it wasn’t even made with coding in mind. It’s a language model that happens to be able to produce some code. Imagine in a few years when ai that is designed for coding could do.
@@Arun_Baliga i don't think you are allowed to talk about this subject
i bet you never heard of github copilot or code whisperer@@Arun_Baliga
@@Arun_Baliga Coding is literally telling what you want the computer to do using a programming language.
I am a programmer, but i rarely code. Coding is just a small part of my job. Not worried.
I do use AI already. Not for writing the whole thing, but it’s faster and give me full answer that I can check and tailor better to my case. It’s faster than getting yelled at and humiliated on stack Overflow, problem is sometimes typing for the prompts takes longer than typing the code itself lol.
True i also use it for searching docs and fix minor stuff, the logic and the flow on how to finish my work is still on me tho so its just a tool for me so that i can finish my work quickly
@@reykesyalramadhan4600 exactly, as it should be. Why should we deprive ourselves from using current technology? Or should we just write code by hand? … have fun with that.
@@yesyes9698 hahaha yeah true
@@ddwfw Make sure to learn your course materials really well first before depending on LLMs. You'll need that core knowledge to notice when they mess up.
@@ddwfw If you find that you enjoy programming, CS will give you a set of tools that will carry you through the hardest problems in your career! But also don't be afraid of switch majors if at some point you realize it's not your thing. It will be hard work, but you'll grow a lot no matter which path you take. Good luck!
This is ridiculous due to the security problems and electronic warfare related .
So i improved myself with AI i do less coding by myself and more design and architecture and understanding requirements now.
So yeah i am on manager level now for my projects 😅😎
I dig your Better( output quality), Faster( delivery), Cheaper, Safer( including reliability) work productivity principle/measure.
With no coding experience, I built a color matching program with eight different python scripts embedded with a hundred so behaviors using photoshop actions to automate color matching; it’s a LUT creator that makes any footage look like the color grading of a chosen target image. It dramatically outperforms DaVinci’s color matching AI feature. The point is I knew nothing about programming when I started. I just had Chat GPT, and understood color correction, photoshop, and what needed to be done to get from Point A to Point B and the obstacles, what photoshop itself could not automate with actions, that would require extra python scripts.
People will be able to make simple scripts quickly...
but when it comes to a software the seves to millions, that is salable, secure and fault tolerant with high uptime, it requires years of skill and practice...
one error caused the new intern that pushed a buggy code shouldn't take entire system down...
For example, my first big project after collage that took 5 months to make as team of 6(a messaging app) and only had 1 ~ms latency,
but later we released for 1 million users, that algorithm to manage message for everyone take 30 years to sent instead of seconds...
@@vaisakh_km interesting, that makes a lot of sense. I don’t think programmers are going anywhere, if anything, their services and demand might increase as basic programming becomes more accessible with ChatGPT and AI is proliferated in every aspect of our society.
@@2ndEarth of-course
coding is just another language: it's like you are telling the computer what to do. if you know what you want to do, like in your example, you are mostly able to do it. yes, in your case you didn't learn to program but I am sure you messed a bit with the code because you could read which parts were doing the things you needed to be done slightly differently than the generated code.
@@kaotiskhund Exactly right, I had many bad iterations, as in possibly hundreds. I needed to interact with Photoshop's UI to select the average colors of the color target image to create a soft-light gradient layer with the colors and luminosity of the target image. However, there are heavy limiations with Photosho's scripting language with some features available only via selection in the UI; I had to find a creative way to get the average three colors of the target image. I reduced the target image to three colors via Photoshop's save feature, I just needed to save it as a GIF with only three colors. At first ChatGPT thought it was impossible to automate a process to extract those colors, since scripting a pixel-scanning feature would be location-dependent, and every image is different in sizes, resolution, etc... I figured out that I can create a photoshop action to reduce color image to one pixel (thus eliminating the location issue ) three times for each color. Then I scanned the pixel which effectively updated the MRU color list (temp memory for recently used colors in Photoshop's UI), then I wrote another code to extract the information from the MRU color list for last three colors recorded, meaning, the last three pixels that were scanned via the photoshop action. The scanning MRU color list feature is a code I borrowed from a random post that shared how to do this. Solving this allowed me to create (with no other input) a soft-light gradient adjustment layer with the average target colors and correct corresponding luminosity, thus automating a normally necessary step of hand-selecting a color via UI. There are many other processes in this action-script, but that was the biggest challenge!
One example of the many times I had to examing the code was when I noticed that the program wasn't mapping luminosity correctly in the gradient layer. I realized that though in the UI the colors are based on 0-100, the raw data uses a different scale, I think up to 1600. I had to analyze the code to understand the differences and correct the code with simple arithmetic to get the numbers converted correctly.
chatGPT 4 can said to be the most capable ai out there, and even now sometimes I don't get the answer I want
I don't think people realize that AI is just a search engine on steroids. The information is still coming from *somewhere.* But he's right; programmers will morph into harnessing and maintaining code more than writing it.
Coding was never really about writing code. It's about understanding and implementing complex system logic. if singing was most efficient to do that, we would be all singing instead of coding, so it doesn't matter.
no it generates shit
As A programmer I can see this be true in the future, but for the moment, I find my self arguing with GPT on a daily basis.
There are millions of books of all sorts but not everyone can publish even an article 🗿
the coder is missing half his clothes too
As a developer, this video hurts a shit ton. I wish I could not use A.I tools in my future jobs...
Why not? They’re pretty cool. No more stackoverflow sounds like heaven
Literally why not? By “coder” do you mean you took a 30min html course on Udemy?
Literally no established programmer would complain in having some extra help. Using AI doesn’t mean you’ll let it do everything, but you will let it help you, saves time and resources.
Plus, to really use AI for coding, as it is now, you must at least know how to do it. ChatGPT cannot make functional apps not even with python, it may make a game or very simple things, but nothing longer and more difficult.
And just for further background on you… if you do code… are you one of those that complain about python libraries? You know, the ones having to start from creating the universe on assembly before printing a “hello world”
Literally shut up. I get so angry and worked up when people complain about advances in technology. If you hate it so much go live in a hut in the middle of some very far away country where the nearest human settlement is 1000 miles plus.
@@DEBO5 only for programmers like u
@@DEBO5 people are copy pasting without researching on stackoverflow because of chatgpt lol
@@countmein5164 wow you’re so cool I bet you code COBOL so based
wow you are such clever men . . . . . ! God 'Almighty still *receives the glory*
coding != programming
This actually sucks since there's just a feeling of proudness... a massive bomb of dopemine when your code compiles
True! The nature of coding might change. This era will be an interesting one for programmers
Thats exactly why i left coding and went to management…Literally I had to learn something new every year otherwise I am irrelevant…
Understandable.. But people should really know that required skill: Be ready to constantly learn new stuff.
@@oliveryt7168 ya ik that..not sure if its for everyone but for me it was hard. I mean u don’t get time to learn these in office hours. U most probably have to do it in your personal time. I was fed up with it. Every 4 months my manager would come and say you guys have to be proficient in this skill in one month. We learn than in our personal time and when I switch job, that skill is no longer required. Happened with me a lot of times. I went for management role. Job is not easy here but after office I follow my other passions.
AI won't solve problems
Well to be honest AI is still very limited and even makes mistakes
No it already took my job and raised my kids
It’s great actually as a programmer myself I started using it as soon as it was available. It’s remarkable but in that same breath the more I guide it to solutions the more it becomes obvious that being an experienced engineer gives me a dramatic edge against anyone who isn’t one. It would be like a conductor guiding an orchestra vs an orangutan guiding the same orchestra.
Bro these chat bots are not a.i., theyre decisive algorithms not some self learning, self sustainable organisms 😂😂
Calculator is necessity similarly 😮scientific calculator is not a necessity for all
this almost give me existencial crisis as freshman learning to code😢
It is scary looking at how it advanced in last 3 years, I have no doubt it's gonna get an extreme power up in the coming years. First semester project took me days to complete.
I gave the same task to AI, took it less than 40 seconds to complete a functional code.
I'm not saying it's going to replace every coder/programmer, but it's definitely gonna be the reason of mass layoffs in the coming future.
Software engineering is a lot more than "writing code". Nuff said.
Ai can never take "engineering" out of Software Engineering
Yeah it’s about fine tuning the application to suit the need
Exactly! Same for Security. Our AI vs. their AI.
this was spot on - if you dont use AI now, you just cant compete (on most programming jobs)...what comes with it is increased productivity, but i feel like the requirements didnt yet jump...it was pretty hard to predict productivity already - now its even more confusing - we are in the transition period where few hours of work can make you seem like a very productive programmer - if you are doing a job you dont like, its at least easier to ease off until switching to another one, start business or whatnot
I think it’s going to make them scary powerful
I love so much in this short video. "Everyone is a voder, nobody's a coder." "More about understanding information flows and architecting."
Being very novice in this area, that's the first realization you have: it's not simply understanding the language, it's knowing how to structure it in a creative way. AI has leaped my understanding of if coding ahead 10 years in 6 months.
Senseless talk
100% part of my workflow for simple refactors. i find that if you repeat yourself as much as you can, AI tools can help abstract better patterns and use hood design if you ask if it for it. It over abstracts here and there
@@samscott1484 because the AI can abstract for you. Obviously you want to follow good principles but you can rip out that mental overhead by letting the AI do it. If you know what you’re doing you can iterate on it as needed.
I see a lot of people saying a lot of stuff, I want to try to address some of it:
Comment from other person: For coders to be disappeared, customers have to say *EXACTLY* what they want to AI.
Solution 1: Have another AI break down all the steps to give on what functionality is needed to add the product
Solution 2: Make it a QnA with the customer. After the AI thinks the program is well thought out and is good enough to be relayed to another AI, it will do so.
Comment from other person: "Everyone will be a coder" is what people were saying when "High level languages" came along.
Counterpoint: I agree that people said that, however this is another beast, we're talking about turning regular words into code. This is another form of high level programming, never thought possible 5 years ago. When you're able to write text in literal sentences and have it be translated to code, it doesn't get much higher level than that.
That all said though, I don't think we're there yet with gpt4, perhaps with gpt5 or gpt6. I do dislike it as well. But I am also not going to fool myself into thinking AI is not insanely powerful (too powerful). I'd like the same people to keep that same tone for the next 5 years. You will be left in the dust. One more note, people saying it can't understand a big codebase, well not yet, another AI has 100k token "memory" limit, and is around gpt3 level. Just wait, shit will be getting crazy, and I hate it.
Devs, your jobs are secure, AI can't think for itself without your help, dont listen to anyone who says dont go get your computer science degree, you should definitely go do it at some point.
is not only about that, but big companies who don't have AI models will never let his developers use AI from other companies. What will happen if Apple developers use Chatgpt? then Microsoft will know what they are doing
We will curate code more than we write it. We'll be faster. But we still need to understand it and improve it.
One day this guy said there will be no coders. I see tone changing
Being a programmer is not just writing code, you have to understand systems and engineering them. Unless AI can explain the reasoning behind a design, I don’t see how people will sequentially build on top of existing or new code without that vision. There’s a million ways to skin a cat but there’s a right way to do it.
“Coding Traditionally”!
It’s ridiculous how far we’ve gone that we call previous coders generation,
traditional coders !
It feels like it was yesterday, first coders have been introduced in my community.
I have noticed that in school assignments, usually those who use AI tools and are not so skilled at programming tend to overrely on them, and lose a discerning eye for bad code and reasing documentation.
For harder work or more niche work, they tend to avoid it altogether or still need to ask other more skilled programmers for help. And besides, when it comes to presenting and sharing ideas and products to either clients or senior management, AI can't automate everything, things like diagrams and presentation skills are still up to you, who designed the architecture to create and showcase.
So no, programners are not going to disappear, but certain tedious jobs in programming are going to be automatable (w.g writing test cases, debugging syntax errors), and there will definitely need to be a paradigm shift in what is desired as a programmer given that AI assistance exists.
true, I often use AI at school (i study computer science) to help me debug/design code but i've been doing this stuff since middle school
everyone in my class that I know use AI everytime are the same ones that can't design, write and debug basic programs
I have been hearing these things for the last 10 years at least. Since when I started working as a developer.
No. And the reason is incredibly simple. AI takes in a command or query. For devs it will mostly be queries asking for assistent.
Now, how good is the general public in queries? Critical thinking about bulk data and understanding relationships? Also, given answers by AI are not always correct unless really really specific.
And we all know how bad the endusers are with being specific and critical.. so dont worry.. our jobs aren't going anywhere.
But you do need to keep up to date, like always.
Have to be careful about it. Unfettered development, especially with something as new and untested as AI, can and will be dangerous. There are coders out there who now use AI, often against company policy. Those policies are there for good reason.
Coders are the first to implement ai. There would be none of it without these programmers.
This what I been saying to all these ai doomers. Especially the artists. If you’re an artist and ai replaced you sorry it just means you’re bad and refuse to learn new tools. Real artists are using ai to make them even more creative
Yeah this was pre-devin huh
I am using VHDL/SystemVerilog in aerospace and there's no way AI will replace or at least supplement our workload in a major way anytime soon...
I am even sceptical it ever will, although who knows what will be in 20 years
Im studying software development, I use Chat GPT for prettyy much all of my code. Sometimes for something simple like "What is the syntax for switch in [language]" up to "What tool can I use sychronize these two database servers". I am learning a ton of code and architectures. I still have to learn it, but AI is a great way to look up information.
Graphic design is already taking this same route btw. Have been working in the field for 18yrs and it’s already apart of my work flow.
In what ways specifically?
These AI things have made my life way more easier..
Basically I am the master and I keep telling AI what I want and obviously also verify..
Very few times it gives incorrect results(output shown in it does not match output in the actual ide).. but overall very happy..
Its as simple as copying from stackoverflow and pasting it but with AI... AI is gonna cut you more corners thats it
I just bank on the fact that most people don’t code, currently. They don’t understand what to ask the AI for, or what technologies go together. The more important skill is thinking broadly about what you need and what to ask the AI. Also the focus should always be about the tool you are building and higher level functionality. If you can just build the tool and offer value, you can get a job maintaining the thing or making other tools faster.
It sucks that it devalues the skill because now we are expected to code faster for less money. However, you could also see this as an opportunity to build software easier, making you a more valuable programmer because you can produce complex ideas and sell them to companies much easier.
We also still have a lot of problems. Many folks cannot utilize AI currently because the databases are owned by private companies that will have access to things they shouldn’t. For example, OpenAI is useless in the government because of national security concerns. Until the government makes its own chat bot, you are gonna have tons of traditional programmers still not using any AI.
Already used chagpt4 and copilot for production code now for about 7 months. Its not a panacea for sure...and there are left-field issues that we never thought of...so its possible even with the current capabilities of these language models to generate code thatvis extremely hard for a human being to maintain. I am speaking from experience. The copilot has no "write it maintainibly for humans" style guide. Also for larger projects or projects with several layers the copilot has difficulty with the current capabilities to have a big picture view. There are other more technical issues that i won't go into here, but trust me, it aint as simple as this short is giving the impression of.
I thoroughly enjoy the use of ai for markup languages and ideally never dealing with css :)
as an engineer, programming is just a tools to complete business requirements
There way more apart from coding, decision making, feature design, customer feedback etc
Good to have AI as a tool such as copilot
But depends on nature of business, pure AI without actual someone you can talk and blame is impossible
Developer here, I’ve tried using chat gpt to work,and although is a nice assistant it will take a while for ai to catch up to software developers
Nowadays new iPhone operating systems have bugs in them because of coder's dependency on AI tools, that gradually decrease their knowledge.
It's the exact opposite; the nature of programming isn't going to change, it's the writing of code that is. 'Coding' is such a derogatory term, because writing code is only like 10% of your job as a software developer, and that's the only thing AI can really replace.
5 years ago --- everyone should learn coding, AI will replace factory workers and drivers.
If thwy can't learn to code they should do something creative like a writer or artist.
Today -- AI has started replacing coders and artists first before they did anything else. 😂😂
Even with current AI tech, you still need to know software development to make it do what it ought to do for you. And you really better pay attention because these language models can make silly mistakes.
You need to keep the big picture in mind when you program, the AI can only be aware of snippets so far. And if it one day can improve itself, then literally everyone is obsolete.
The nature wont change at all. It may be more accessible for beginner, just like the internet was in contrast to the books.
I could consistently give you pristine code, but it doesnt mean you know how to scale it, change it for client requirements, keep it up to date and deploy it efficently on cloud infrastructure. AI cant replace coders because then AI would have to use a language dedicated on building itself, building the environments and deploying it. If you had that level of i/o control from an AI model alone thats already revolutionary
I think it will make simple automations and scripts easily accessible to generate for entry level programmers or technology enthusiasts and it will
Make good programmers more productive and save some time.
I don’t think the current technology will replace great programmers, but within 5-10 years idk. Even if that was the case I believe computer programmers will still have a massive advantage with the tooling
Calling bs
Writing a piece of code is one thing. Creating adjustable software
Version controlling
Changeability with out breaking everything else
that s what coding is about and this needs foresight. Something a.i. still needs to develop
It doesn't need foresight. Just specify the edge cases and tell it to cover those. Get it to run tests and compare outputs. Use your common sense bro.
Simply put, stackoverflow is getting replaced. All other stuff remains the same
Same thing what happened in photography when we went from film to digital to iPhone.
Looks up from my .txt HTML doc... "Wait... What!?"
Not only will generative AI not replace a single job, I don’t even think it will replace a single tool. I use both ChatGPT and Bard everyday but I still go on Stack Overflow and read documentation.
Generative AI, won’t even make search obsolete. It’s a completely different value proposition
As someone who’s trying to get into this field, this scares me 😔
it's taken me a couple of months to realise that chatgpt 3.5 is heavily limited. it speeds up the drudgery but doesn't replace the creative problem solving or bug fixing
When GPT was released, you could ask it anything; there were no limitations on its creativity. Now, if you were to ask how to cook rice, it would say, 'Please ask a local professional to do it and keep a fire extinguisher ready.'😅
I think one of the unfortunate consequences might be with open source programming. A major reason for open source projects is having a lot of people contributing that wouldn’t really be possible with a proprietary model. However with AI doing a heavy part of coding, this can make it less likely to open up certain projects.
That happens today as well. Nothing new
I work in the semi conductor industry and no matter what kind of AI comes, our job can not be replaced. Basically our machine makes AI possible. So AI advancements has always to wait for our company's breakthroughs. Our tools makes 1nm chips possible.