Yes! I think the setting should dictate the fullness of the harmony. In a small group, I love to hear extensions, but Freddie Green-style always seems to me to be the way to go with a larger outfit; in an orchestra, the brass or reeds will be responsible for the development of the harmony beyond the basics, while guitar, typically, is just going to be providing rhythm with the defining 3rd and 7th -- while staying out of the way of the bass player. Great discussion and examples, Jens!
Greetings, i finally can follow one of your lessons..2yrs ive been surfing your lessons and had no clue, but after teaching myself.. on youtube i now can follow you..its amazing i never gave up on your lessons..thank you..i dont have jazz background, and its like talking to an alien, no clue whats going on but read the room and youll figure it out, so to speak, but i love the shell voicings and chords and how you guys change everything...this lesson is so good for me , its my way into jazz..thank you so much. Be well
Thumb pick? You don't see it in Jazz very much, but I've made the change (based on Tommy Emmanuel's advice in another video) and I'm loving it. After giving it a chance, I've found having another color at my disposal is really cool, and it's made my flatpicking better too somehow lol. Maybe subconsciously led to a more relaxed, accurate grip, since you need to keep that thumb note volume down, you develop a light touch. Works great for me in the little bit of jazz I do, and at no point on a gig have I missed the old fat thumb sound, on the contrary, I miss the instant easy attack when I don't have it. I'm no noob, added the thumb pick 25 years into my career, just throwing that out there for anyone wondering how to have both worlds at the same time, it's possible. The jazz community can be closed minded in some cases (Jens definitely isn't), maybe it's just for the country guys lol, in my old age I've adopted a "do what sounds better" approach.
Love your videos, man. I've been playing for a few years, but I went through a rough spot in my life and stopped, but I'm back at it and learning my favorite kind of music. I appreciate you, man
Thank you very much! I am glad you found it useful! If you have any suggestions for topics or things you are looking for the feel free to let me know 👍
This is very helpful for beginners in jazz like me. But I also developed my own method and that is to sing it in.karaoke and memorise the lyrics then I put the chords while singing and then finally counter check it by watching how it is done by masters like you on youtube. Hahaha. 👍
@@JensLarsen yeah, after checking it if it is all right, I will sing it loudly until the dogs start barking and my neighbors call the fire department! 😂😂😂
Thanks, Jens! You’ve made this incredibly easy to understand, and I’m only a little over half way into the lesson. The idea of shell voicings based on the sixth and fifth strings makes understanding all the intervals much less intimidating. I’d love to keep practicing and watch more, but tendinitis is an asshole :(
Check out Stephan Grappelli and David Grisman on satin doll An old guy named Tiny Moore plays 5 string mandolin in the middle of the song. He was a western swing player.
If you ever get bored, could you make a definitive beginner's guide to Shell voicings similar to the one you did in 2014 but with the enhancements you've developed over the years?
Lots of good stuff in the one you linked to, thank you. What I like about the old school one was I learned the root 5 and root 6 for the C major diatonic chords. Gave me two different places to play in the same key. In another of your videos on shells when it went to the root 6, switched to the F major chords confusing me for a bit. I feel that shell voicings and diatonic chords are the entry ports for Long Time guitar players like myself to whom this way of relating to the keyboard is foreign but intriguing
Hello Jens, i just found the topic of guide tone lines in my jazzbook and directly looked on your channel if you have allready a video about this thing. Is it maybe somewhere included or would this maybe be a good idea for a coming video? Greetings :)
The shell-voicings are basically guide tones with a bass note, so for chords then the shell-voicing videos do actually cover it. There are a few applications for solos as well and the way I think you should work with that is what I cover in the target note videos 🙂
I've been fingering the first Dm7 the way it is in the chord diagram, but you are playing it with different fingers. Do I need to learn your on-screen version for future embellishments? It's awkward after years of Finger #1 on the 6th string.
I do, there is one here: th-cam.com/video/ZEPT8HgMTbE/w-d-xo.html And also a few linked here: jenslarsen.nl/how-to-learn-to-play-jazz-chords-study-guide/ Does that help?
@@bernardmartinand7506 hard to say, I don't think it is the pickup though, more the Amp settings. But I have to admit that I don't often get along with DV amps
Jen's i love your music. I work with your you tube lessons and bought your book. Do you have a list of episodes in tbe correct order for a beginner. I have the real book of jazz songs and can play a lot of the chords but have difficulty making a nice music sound anywhere close to you :-( Which 10 you tube lessions should i start with instead of just jumping around. Thank you Frank
Hi Frank, For learning Jazz Chords I have this study guide: jenslarsen.nl/how-to-learn-to-play-jazz-chords-study-guide/ Maybe it is useful for you, but in general the lessons are not one complete method. TH-cam doesn't work like that, and if I had tried to make it in that way you would never have heard of me or seen any of my videos :)
Mr. Larsen I just discovered your channel after goggle ( best jazz guitar lessons ) I am 42 and I play since I was 20. I studied jazz for years practicing scales arpeggios progressions studying theory harmony etc... I quit for two years but now I feel too much information available and don't know how to start. I watched a couple of your videos and you are an amazing instructor but once again I am overestimulated for the amount of info. For example you play the major scale 3 notes per string? I have my own positions like the arpeggios but it's not just that. One thing it's true everything comes back fast like I quit playing a month ago and not two years ago. Any advice?
Thanks Xavier! Study songs! Practice a bit of scales and arpeggios but spend most of your time trying to play songs. You will learn faster if you use it in real music! I don't know what level you are at, but maybe something in this playlist might work? th-cam.com/video/PyHXN3Vxhz4/w-d-xo.html&list=PLWYuNvZPqqcHcRM5XL8rGFh1Xqkft77Qk
Jens Larsen thank you sir! I made the mistake a few years ago to concentrate my studing only in chord solos because I got a regular paying gig at a restaurant. So I kind of learn a few standards play chord melody for hours but I never find myself sounding good even customers liked it but I was always scared a professional like you could show up for dinner lol. Now I am trying to restart and once again don't know how. I will check out that link thank you.
Hey Jens, At 12:00 the Dminor 11th has five notes written out in the tablature, how are you playing all five notes while finger picking? The chord before that makes sense to me since you don’t play the b string, I don’t know if I should use my little finger, skip the b string again, or play the top three strings.
It's actually not the Dm7(11) that has 5 notes, it's a Dm7(9). But I would indeed play that with my little finger. You could easily also skip the B string 🙂
One thing I don't understand about the harmony of this tune is that the E minor to A dominant 7 before the first repeat is seen as a 2 - 5 (as an instructor online pointed out). The first time I saw this I thought it may be a 1 - 2 - 3 - 6 movement beginning where that first ending begins, and the 6th could be a dominant 7 chord because its moving back to the 2 at the beginning making it part of a larger 3 - 6 - 2 - 5 movement that goes back the to the beginning of the A section. This approach would have you look at it all as being in C major. Is this a "wrong" approach to the harmony, and if so then why?
In music, context is everything and while Satin Doll is in C major it is as much about moving around II V progressions, that is why Em7 A7 is treated as a II V in D major, and not as III [V] in C major which is what you would normally do with a Cmaj7 A7 Dm7 G7 Em7 A7 Dm7 G7 type of progression. Does that help?
I think I do. Just to make sure I've understood; that 1 - 2 - 3 - 6 - 2 - 5 typa movement I'm seeing is still a valid one, but in this particular context of modulating 2 - 5s in the broader tune it's better to see it as a quick 1 - 2 in C followed by a quick 2 - 5 in D which then leads down a whole tone to the original 2 - 5 in C as we return to the beginning of the A section?
It would be really great if you could leave the chord charts up longer, adding the next without removing the prior one from the display. The only important thing to show is the chord chart and your left hand. We don't need to see your face, since we can already hear you speaking. Showing the treble clef notation is OK, but less important than being able to see the chord charts relative to each other, rather than just sequentially. It would make stopping the study all of the chord charts much more effective, rather than one at a time.
Do you also use shell-voicings as a good way to easily move through the harmony of a song? 🙂
Yes! I think the setting should dictate the fullness of the harmony. In a small group, I love to hear extensions, but Freddie Green-style always seems to me to be the way to go with a larger outfit; in an orchestra, the brass or reeds will be responsible for the development of the harmony beyond the basics, while guitar, typically, is just going to be providing rhythm with the defining 3rd and 7th -- while staying out of the way of the bass player. Great discussion and examples, Jens!
Just started a university jazz program. This channel is such an incredible resource.
Thank you very much! 🙂
You were born to do this....your teahing style....so smooth and to the point...leaving no students behind.....Thank You
Thank you Ron! Nice of you to say so! 🙂
Greetings, i finally can follow one of your lessons..2yrs ive been surfing your lessons and had no clue, but after teaching myself.. on youtube i now can follow you..its amazing i never gave up on your lessons..thank you..i dont have jazz background, and its like talking to an alien, no clue whats going on but read the room and youll figure it out, so to speak, but i love the shell voicings and chords and how you guys change everything...this lesson is so good for me , its my way into jazz..thank you so much.
Be well
Thank you Jens for your always friendly and competent explanatory videos.
My pleasure, Udo!
Thumb pick? You don't see it in Jazz very much, but I've made the change (based on Tommy Emmanuel's advice in another video) and I'm loving it. After giving it a chance, I've found having another color at my disposal is really cool, and it's made my flatpicking better too somehow lol. Maybe subconsciously led to a more relaxed, accurate grip, since you need to keep that thumb note volume down, you develop a light touch. Works great for me in the little bit of jazz I do, and at no point on a gig have I missed the old fat thumb sound, on the contrary, I miss the instant easy attack when I don't have it. I'm no noob, added the thumb pick 25 years into my career, just throwing that out there for anyone wondering how to have both worlds at the same time, it's possible. The jazz community can be closed minded in some cases (Jens definitely isn't), maybe it's just for the country guys lol, in my old age I've adopted a "do what sounds better" approach.
I love that Dm7 - G7 transition.
It is great 🙂
very easy but nicely done the final comping example
Thank you! Glad you like it 🙂
Love your videos, man. I've been playing for a few years, but I went through a rough spot in my life and stopped, but I'm back at it and learning my favorite kind of music. I appreciate you, man
Thanks Jens! !!! I appreciate the chord diagrams
Thank you Jume!
So glad I found this one Jens. I feel this superb lesson has really unlocked the idea of chord melody for me. Thanks as always
Great to hear!
Thanks Jens! I wasn't sure where to start being an advanced player, but intermediate jazz.
You're welcome! Hope you can put it to use :)
Really good lesson thanks.
Thank you very much! I am glad you found it useful! If you have any suggestions for topics or things you are looking for the feel free to let me know 👍
great lesson, thanks a lot!
Glad you like it! :)
this really is a excellent , masterfully done video fine sir.
Thank you John! Glad you like it! 🙂
This is very helpful for beginners in jazz like me. But I also developed my own method and that is to sing it in.karaoke and memorise the lyrics then I put the chords while singing and then finally counter check it by watching how it is done by masters like you on youtube. Hahaha. 👍
Sounds like a good approach! 👍🙂
@@JensLarsen yeah, after checking it if it is all right, I will sing it loudly until the dogs start barking and my neighbors call the fire department! 😂😂😂
Thanks, Jens! You’ve made this incredibly easy to understand, and I’m only a little over half way into the lesson. The idea of shell voicings based on the sixth and fifth strings makes understanding all the intervals much less intimidating.
I’d love to keep practicing and watch more, but tendinitis is an asshole :(
Thank you! I hope you feel better soon!
Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Perfect as always! Hope for some more lessons over walking bass and maybe Joe Pass style would be perfect, Thanks!
Thank you! How about these:
Walking Bass: th-cam.com/video/z6U_b6KmJHI/w-d-xo.html
Joe Pass: th-cam.com/video/25HJyONSYkk/w-d-xo.html
Excellent video, thanks for posting, much appreciated. New sub : )
Glad you like it 🙂
wow, I'm up to date now! Hey Jens!
Haha! Well done! New video tomorrow!
Check out Stephan Grappelli and David Grisman on satin doll An old guy named Tiny Moore plays 5 string mandolin in the middle of the song. He was a western swing player.
I assume this is the playlist you told me to check out yesterday, you have a lot of great videos btw
Probably, I can't tell because I only see it as a video comment 🙂
@@JensLarsen it was the one called how to begin with jazz guitar
That's the one!
@@JensLarsen thanks, best channel I found so far in this style I have no jazz skill or knowledge at all
If you ever get bored, could you make a definitive beginner's guide to Shell voicings similar to the one you did in 2014 but with the enhancements you've developed over the years?
Thanks Paula! The first video lesson I ever made 😁 In a way isn't that what this video is: th-cam.com/video/zH4uQYgDotM/w-d-xo.html
Lots of good stuff in the one you linked to, thank you. What I like about the old school one was I learned the root 5 and root 6 for the C major diatonic chords. Gave me two different places to play in the same key. In another of your videos on shells when it went to the root 6, switched to the F major chords confusing me for a bit. I feel that shell voicings and diatonic chords are the entry ports for Long Time guitar players like myself to whom this way of relating to the keyboard is foreign but intriguing
@@paulafranceschi ok! Maybe it could be fun to try 🙂
Thanks again, very usefull, new ideas for gipsy jazz....
By the way, can you make a video about licks or ideas playing gipsy jazz?
Glad you like it! I don't really do Gipsy Jazz, maybe check out Robin Nolan or Christan Van Hamert? 🙂
Just digging into this tune and realized it’s basically the “Bewitched” theme song!
thank you sir!!
Glad you like it Ashan! 👍
Hello Jens, i just found the topic of guide tone lines in my jazzbook and directly looked on your channel if you have allready a video about this thing. Is it maybe somewhere included or would this maybe be a good idea for a coming video? Greetings :)
The shell-voicings are basically guide tones with a bass note, so for chords then the shell-voicing videos do actually cover it. There are a few applications for solos as well and the way I think you should work with that is what I cover in the target note videos 🙂
Very good, thanks! :)
I've been fingering the first Dm7 the way it is in the chord diagram, but you are playing it with different fingers. Do I need to learn your on-screen version for future embellishments? It's awkward after years of Finger #1 on the 6th string.
hi jens. do you have more jazz song lessons? thank you for all the lessons
I do, there is one here: th-cam.com/video/ZEPT8HgMTbE/w-d-xo.html
And also a few linked here: jenslarsen.nl/how-to-learn-to-play-jazz-chords-study-guide/
Does that help?
Jens Larsen thanks Jens. i think you thought i meant chords but i meant Jazz songs. do you have any whole song tutorials? :-)
@@HarryBarry97 I have tons in my webstore, and on TH-cam there are a few in this playlist: th-cam.com/video/PyHXN3Vxhz4/w-d-xo.html
What a lesson, great, how many years to do that? What pick up on your guitar?
Thank you! This is not super difficult. My Ibanez has a SD Seth Lover in the neck position
@@JensLarsen thanks, I have ibanez Af 95FM with s58 pickup on dv mark jazz ampli, but the sound in not very smooth for me perhaps it's me
@@bernardmartinand7506 hard to say, I don't think it is the pickup though, more the Amp settings. But I have to admit that I don't often get along with DV amps
OK thanks, what ampli do you prefer?
@@bernardmartinand7506 try some out. I use a Fractal Audio FM3, but that is not for everyone
Jen's i love your music. I work with your you tube lessons and bought your book. Do you have a list of episodes in tbe correct order for a beginner. I have the real book of jazz songs and can play a lot of the chords but have difficulty making a nice music sound anywhere close to you :-(
Which 10 you tube lessions should i start with instead of just jumping around.
Thank you
Frank
Hi Frank, For learning Jazz Chords I have this study guide: jenslarsen.nl/how-to-learn-to-play-jazz-chords-study-guide/ Maybe it is useful for you, but in general the lessons are not one complete method. TH-cam doesn't work like that, and if I had tried to make it in that way you would never have heard of me or seen any of my videos :)
Do you hold a pick and use fingers at the same time when playing live? Just curious.
I sometimes play with a pick and sometimes with my fingers, very rarely both :)
Hi Jens, wouldn't Em normally be a C maj substitution(iiim) and A7 the VI7?
Yes, but in this song Strayhorn is really working with moving around II V progressions, so is a little unclear.
@@JensLarsen allright, thanks. I thought so but for me personally it really feels more natural thought of that way.
Yes, but the logical conclusion would be to play is as Em7 A7b9 and if you check for example Barney Kessel and Joe Pass solos they don't 🙂
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You're very welcome! I am glad you like it! 🙂
Mr. Larsen I just discovered your channel after goggle ( best jazz guitar lessons ) I am 42 and I play since I was 20. I studied jazz for years practicing scales arpeggios progressions studying theory harmony etc... I quit for two years but now I feel too much information available and don't know how to start. I watched a couple of your videos and you are an amazing instructor but once again I am overestimulated for the amount of info. For example you play the major scale 3 notes per string? I have my own positions like the arpeggios but it's not just that. One thing it's true everything comes back fast like I quit playing a month ago and not two years ago. Any advice?
Thanks Xavier! Study songs! Practice a bit of scales and arpeggios but spend most of your time trying to play songs. You will learn faster if you use it in real music!
I don't know what level you are at, but maybe something in this playlist might work? th-cam.com/video/PyHXN3Vxhz4/w-d-xo.html&list=PLWYuNvZPqqcHcRM5XL8rGFh1Xqkft77Qk
Jens Larsen thank you sir! I made the mistake a few years ago to concentrate my studing only in chord solos because I got a regular paying gig at a restaurant. So I kind of learn a few standards play chord melody for hours but I never find myself sounding good even customers liked it but I was always scared a professional like you could show up for dinner lol. Now I am trying to restart and once again don't know how. I will check out that link thank you.
You can always leave a comment with a question! I will do my best to help :)
Jens Larsen thank you! I will. Just subscribed yesterday. Cool!
Hey Jens,
At 12:00 the Dminor 11th has five notes written out in the tablature, how are you playing all five notes while finger picking?
The chord before that makes sense to me since you don’t play the b string, I don’t know if I should use my little finger, skip the b string again, or play the top three strings.
It's actually not the Dm7(11) that has 5 notes, it's a Dm7(9). But I would indeed play that with my little finger. You could easily also skip the B string 🙂
Ugh of course it’s not, damn jazz chords! Guess the pinky’s coming out of retirement.
Thanks, Jens, one of the best channels on TH-cam.
Thank you! Nice of you to say so 🙂
One thing I don't understand about the harmony of this tune is that the E minor to A dominant 7 before the first repeat is seen as a 2 - 5 (as an instructor online pointed out).
The first time I saw this I thought it may be a 1 - 2 - 3 - 6 movement beginning where that first ending begins, and the 6th could be a dominant 7 chord because its moving back to the 2 at the beginning making it part of a larger 3 - 6 - 2 - 5 movement that goes back the to the beginning of the A section. This approach would have you look at it all as being in C major.
Is this a "wrong" approach to the harmony, and if so then why?
In music, context is everything and while Satin Doll is in C major it is as much about moving around II V progressions, that is why Em7 A7 is treated as a II V in D major, and not as III [V] in C major which is what you would normally do with a Cmaj7 A7 Dm7 G7 Em7 A7 Dm7 G7 type of progression.
Does that help?
I think I do. Just to make sure I've understood; that 1 - 2 - 3 - 6 - 2 - 5 typa movement I'm seeing is still a valid one, but in this particular context of modulating 2 - 5s in the broader tune it's better to see it as a quick 1 - 2 in C followed by a quick 2 - 5 in D which then leads down a whole tone to the original 2 - 5 in C as we return to the beginning of the A section?
@@tawandamanika530 Yes
Thanks! You're a gift
i dont understsnd in which key u r making these chord progression.can u explain
Satin Doll is actually a deceptively complicated piece in that respect, but it is really in C major
i like this lesson .but i dont know how to use it better
Thanks! I am not sure what you mean? 🙂
thank you for your reply,the relationship between the modal rtansition is not very clear.
I still have no ideas what you mean? What modal transition?
dm--g7 ---em--a7 link relations.i dont quite understand
They are just parallel II V's. If you don't worry about them then they are not difficult :)
It would be really great if you could leave the chord charts up longer, adding the next without removing the prior one from the display. The only important thing to show is the chord chart and your left hand. We don't need to see your face, since we can already hear you speaking. Showing the treble clef notation is OK, but less important than being able to see the chord charts relative to each other, rather than just sequentially. It would make stopping the study all of the chord charts much more effective, rather than one at a time.
Maybe it is better for you to check out the article on my website. There is a link in the description 🙂
sorry,because i translate on goole,its probably not very accurate
Don't worry! I am just hoping to help 👍🙂
who the hell are the 11 people who disliked this!
Probably people who found easy jazz chords very difficult :D
Good lesson! Thank you!