It's frustrating that the sims community is so ignorant as to defend a multi billion dollar company just because it released a crappy pack. When Cyberpunk 2077 was released, the game was removed from the PlayStation Store and even CD Project Red fans could offer an objective view of the game. But simmers are not like that, horse ranch is a 40 dollar pack and they don't even give anyone the right to criticize just because the horses are coming. However, you can buy RDR2 for that price. A game set entirely in western theme.
I think this just shows that simmers don’t play other games, all they play is the sims. If they played other games or even the older sims games they would know better.
@@kolanutbae the older sims games, definitely! Someone would be like "the sims 4 is the best game ever" And the sims 2 would sit in the back silently 😂
Of course CD Project Red had a reputation of "it'll be released when it's ready" and they didn't, our expectations were very high, and rightfully so, and they knew it. It's beyond me why so many out there are so quick to defend mediocrity, and worse. Been seeing a whole lot of "I'd rather play it now" people rather than "I'd rather wait until it's ready" folk. It really took me by surprise when people reacted that way to City Skylines II, where people are now realizing that optimization is only one small problem with that game. Wondering why so many gamers see little issue with rewarding companies for tossing subpar products at us rather than holding their noses in it and helping to make sure that we can all get our monies worth??
I just started getting into Sims 4 lately and I’m surprised nobody brought up the fact that there’s ALREADY RENT 😂 City Living has RENT… EA made you pay for something you already have 😭
True. My Sim rents an apartment in City Living and has a roommate that pays her rent. She can visit the neighbors, attend local events, eat at communal tables outside, etc. Works fine, no glitches.
The most sims 4 players thought about the sims 2 apartment building and renting. The hope was to build apartments however you want, but apparently it’s buggy. Sims 2 did so much better, as well as open for business/get to work
Be a Karen! I'll join you. The small lots are ridiculous, especially with the pool parties. I've had nothing but trouble with the bugs and the thrill of a new pack is totally gone. I'm even having problems building because I'm struggling to be inspired with the tiny lots. It feels like the high school world that was such a let down, because the lots were so tiny and the loading screens are so long. I already decided that I'm not moving forward to the Sims 5 if it's in this condition, and I'm ready to give up on the Sims 4 and move on to other games that deserve my money.
You guys really aren't being a Karens because what you're saying and talking about is totally valid!! lol Some toxic people in the community complain about the most obscure or niche things and for some reason those people tend to be the loudest meanwhile those of us who are just reasonably asking for a functioning, complete, game with actual gameplay are like tossed to the side lol
@@mbb434 I absolutely agree. I just want to play the Sims game I fell in love with. I have trouble going back to the Sims 3 because the Sims are too pixeled or cartoonish, but I love the worlds. The Sims 4 has just been a non-stop disappointment with broken packs and expensive payout.
I think EA really knows what they're doing marketing wise. They do make it feel like you're missing out when not having every pack, which is totally playing into our current FOMO culture. And shortly before every new release, they give the "positive" Simtubers early access to hype it up. I've been actively noticing this time that a lot of Simtubers do fall into this "oh look a bug, what else is new", like it's just accepted at this point? Thanks for being a voice of reason in this time and really calling EA out on its bullshit. It's really refreshing to see, that's why I love your videos.
The truth is that I have been thinking about what you said in this video for a long time. Other game developers sell downloadable content for half the price of a Sims expansion and the quality is infinitely superior. It seems like for literally every other video game the bar is always set very high and the expectations are higher. But for some reason, the Sims fanbase has such a low bar of compliance that anything the developers give them for an exorbitant price will please them. I blame most of the Sims 4 fanbase for letting EA destroy a saga so loved and beloved by many (including me) and transform it into this horrible, ugly, flat, cringey game. You said it, Satch, it's no longer The Sims, it's now a "simulation" game. Because now everything is pretending, even people are pretending that the game is fine. Unfortunately, I have no hope for the future of The Sims or Sims 5, by any means.
I honestly wonder if part of the low-quality and low-motivation to fix and improve the game has anything to do with the fact that this is one of the few games that has a large female and female-presenting fan base? So they have this mindset of "eh, who cares they just want pretty dolls to play with. Stop overreacting!"
Lol not pokemon games. The community does the same thing. Literally the biggest franchise in the world pushes out a rushed, glitchy and badly running game in 2022 and the community praises it like the 2nd coming of jesus. It's a year later and the game is still a buggy incompkete mess, but you wont hear that from pokemon players, especially ones in the spotlight, Wolfey, One of the most famous players gave the game 10/10 when people were COMMONLY falling through the floor into an abyss... the gyms can be done in any order... BUT DON'T SCALE, to this day Wolfey even admits he dosnt play the DLC because it lags so much around water... ON A SYSTEM IT WAS DESIGNED TO PLAY ON!! this isnt a port or a game that was supposed to be on the failed Wii U that they brought to Switxh instead. Nope they just failed. And Toxic fans would say it is the best game to date
omg, you aren't alone. i've seen so many simmers posting million dollar rents on their units on Reddit, Tumblr, and Twitter. the renting system is so broken, i'm sorry you're one of the simmers affected by this.
I build with debug a lot and noticed the foliage assets in Tomarang are reused from the Sulani debug items which disappointed me cause most worlds come with unique debug foliage. More proof EA is becoming lazy
I've also seen lots of people complaining about the complaints, such as in the Sims subreddit. Like there's an attitude of "don't complain, you shouldn't have bought it knowing how bad the packs are" - wait what?! People should complain all they want.
On one hand I get it. Why pay full price for a game infamous for lackluster content? Have some conviction and stop handing EA your money. On the other, this is a triple A game publisher, not an indie startup. Maxis and EA ought to be held up to higher standards given the mortgage payment price of the DLC combined. The complaints are warranted.
It blows my mind that other customers try to put the blame on other customers instead of going "hey! We were served a bad product" Like if these people were at a restaraunt and a waiter brought over all the steak and potatoes meals everyone ordered, but one persons potato fell off the plate on the way to the table, someone elses steak was undercooked and there was a fly in the third. Would these people just sit and eat their incomplete meal and tell the others "well it was YOUR fault for ordering here, everyone knows this place makes tons of mistakes..." ???
I mean I want the functionality but I can't buy it as long as it's broken and doesn't work. So can I complain? It's a bad business practice and we can complain about it all we want, having bought packs or not!
I just found Sims 2 Double Deluxe (which includes base game and nightlife) for 99 cents at a thrift store. I'd been wanting to play Sims 2 again for a while and got lucky. I know old timey simmers will understand my joy.
@@1kulik Pleasantsims has a guide on her website how to get the game to run well on Windows 10, but I don't know if that will help if it will not even install. I know I just had to run the graphics setting program and ram fix, but I installed through Origin. I haven't tried my discs on a modern machine
I watched a video recently about a Malaysian simmer (MatineeSims) who was complaining about one of the new recipes in the game. She seemed genuinely upset because it was one of their national dishes and it looks nothing like it. They hyped up this pack having a new culture so much but didn't even bother making the main dish accurate.
I saw that video. She was so torn about making a negative comment but she was bang on - the dish looked nothing like the actual dish. She said it was the national dish of Malaysia and having it poorly displayed she felt portrayed her culture badly. I’m glad she spoke up.
@@aoefeable I saw that and I felt bad because she genuinely didn't want to complain but the sims team literally made such a gorgeous dish look like rice porridge. 😕
@@aoefeableI also saw that video and being a Malaysian I totally agree with her.. Like how is that Nasi Lemak? Even a modder can make a good food as cc.. It just screams laziness
The Nasi Lemak dish looks like a bowl of blurry vomit. Most of the food in the Sims 4 looks markedly worse than other graphics in the game and I don't know why.
i’m not a builder, so i totally rely on the gallery for my lots and houses and such. i feel the pressure to have ALL the packs in order to have freedom in the gallery. i know it’ll replace items if you don’t have certain packs, but it’s not the same 😞
To be fair, they playtest in a vacuum with the new pack and a clean base game on a fresh save which isn’t gonna face the same levels of code as most peoples games. So they make a feature and implement it in a vacuum. They need to bring in actual players sooner and let them playtest on older saves with all their mix of packs active. They also released to some youtubers early then pretty much released with known bugs that even supportive youtubers pointed out were an issue.
Supportive You Tubers still said the pack was a “must buy” even though the rent feature didn’t work. This bothers me. Maybe others don’t think it’s a big deal though.
I downloaded sims 2 a couple of years ago and played it for the first time and it was SO GOOD. I DIDNT KNOW HOW GOOD THEY USED TO HAVE IT. Sims 3 was my first game and while I liked it (enough to be excited for the sims 4 when it was first announced) I didn’t realize how much life could be put into a game until playing the sims 2.
@@lindsaywilliams6435 TH-cam keeps DELETING my comments where I try to help you download and fix The Sims 2, do you have an email or something where I can send you the info?. I'm so done, I've written the same long ass comment twice... TWICE.
@lindsaywilliams6435 Just look up a TH-cam crack tutorial, and then once you have it. Watch a sims 2 graphic guide on TH-cam, to update the game's capability. It's so worth it! If u have further questions let me know!
I am not shocked other sim creators aren't speaking up. They are worried about losing their good grace with EA. Its frustrating because maybe if the bigger creators spoke up maybe EA would attempt to change. This is the first pack I refuse to buy. Even though at this point I buy packs for the items and world not the gameplay. Which is sad. The gameplay should be the reason for buying the pack. I just can't justify forty dollars for my game to break.
Or, alternatively, if they spoke up, maybe their followers might actually start speaking up as well. There is a reason they are called influencers, and sadly to say, most at too quick to review nicely when it isn't deserved.
Same, first pack I won't buy. I've lived in China for a couple of years, I was so excited about this pack but the quality dropped so much, I just don't want to buy it. It's shocking how bad the quality is and how buggy it is. I usually buy packs for the build buy and cas and not so much for the world, even though I would love to have more gameplay there just hasn't really been any except maybe city living.
I've been playing the Sims since 1999. I own every pack for Sims 1, 2, and 3. I also have thousands of hours of play across the series. I started playing Sims 4 and bought every pack up until Sims 4 Cats and Dogs. That pack was the nail in the coffin for me, I couldn't shake the feeling of being taken advantage of by EA, and I haven't played the game since. The worst part is I am primarily a builder, something which the Sims 4 does well, but even that isn't enough to bring me back to the franchise. I play a LOT of video games and EA's business model is atrocious and predatory compared to *most* triple A studios (big asterisk there). They can't even feign ignorance at this point, they're a predatory company that's saying the quiet part out loud. And they prey upon the (mostly younger) members of the community, and those simmers who can't take off their rose tinted glasses. It's unfortunate all around.
I'd say sadly its not just rose tinted glasses, but we also just really really love the series in that deep nostalgic "personal" way. Humans struggle with not letting that emotion sweep them in even when they KNOW its not good anymore. I adore the sims so my brain wants to support and love the sims. But sadly its owned by a blood sucking monster called EA that has slowly turned up the heat over the last ~15 years, cooking us to death bc its hard to know when to jump ship. *maybe the NEXT pack will be better!!* or "well...I have 6000 mods installed and so much money sunk in- I will Brute FORCE this game to be fun/good!!" Its not good for any of us, but it is a little different to rose tinted. It feels more like (sorry this is rude but having been in one I mean the emotional defensiveness) someone in a terrible neglectful longterm relationship. I think the trend of several new developers working on this specific Sim daily life genre is our BEST hope we've ever had. Pressure on the company from us knowing we have other options (better or just cheaper and variety) that can hurt their empire if they don't grow and better the Sims Franchise....
@brigade7678 totally fair. I would never dog on someone for liking what they like, and I am rooting for the franchise to change direction. If they don't change, I do hope fans of the series slowly migrate to better games that bring them that same joy. I think EA is adopting the business model of targeting a younger demographic, who are more naive, to replace the older fans, who recognize predatory business practices for what they are. Even those who enjoy the game are aware that the Sims 4 is far more shallow than its predecessors. With this in mind (and if EA doesn't change direction), the death of the franchise will be long and drawn, like harvest moon/story of seasons.
I used to buy all the packs up until horse ranch (I had to draw the line when they released it as AN EXPANSION PACK) but I think you’re spot on with it being an addiction and EA knows it. They also market it in a way that feels like you’re missing out on having the game be it’s full potential (ex. The packs used to show up as filled in icons on the main menu, they show the worlds you can’t visit, the gallery shows all the packs others use that you don’t have etc.) it’s extremely manipulative!
Same. Last thing I bought was Werewolves and Cottage Living. I got My first pet stuff because it was free. It's been a yr since I bought anything, and I'm glad that werewolves and cottage living was pretty good. Everything else hasn't excited me and is super glitchy. And agreed on the greyed out world icons. They are banking on you breaking down and buying it to have a full list. I've learned to just ignore it. Or play offline after logging in, if I feel tempted.
I won't buy any packs full price or on opening day now. If I see them on sale and they've fixed the bugs, I'll get them. I'm just sitting back watch the For Rent drama and will wait until the dust settles.
@@halfbakedn00b Same! Last pack I bought was werewolves (skipped My Wedding Disaster and Highschool Years because omg, how broken can it be!). Have bought nothing anymore since, I just can't anymore since I spent already too much money on this game and it's DLCs for them to become gradually more bad and broken with time. But I've learned my lesson. With every game and DLC that I want, I watch reviews first and then decided if it's worth my money. And Sims 4 will not get anything from me anymore. This game started broken and will stay broken until the very end of it.
@@isadora7286 I fully just gave up on the sims 4 and uninstalled it. I’ve been having a blast playing sims 3 again instead which really opens your eyes to how pitiful the sims 4 is in comparison.
Rather than buy another pack and be disappointed, I spent the EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY on a new copy of GTA and have been endlessly entertained. These packs are priced insanely.
Happy for you. I did the same thing to prepare for gta6, I'm also getting started on the Alan Wake series and upgrading my pc for Baldur's Gate. Once I get my pc upgraded, I'm saying goodbye to the Sims and it will be permanently Uninstalled. There are WAY too many great games out there that deserve my playtime and money much more than EA does
@@M00nberryPie omg I was between gta and baldurs gate!! But I was so hype abt the new gta trailer I decided to finally give story mode a whole play through. I only ever played the online version on my brothers account 🤣 because I never saw girls into gaming. I think the sims is a gateway into gaming for a lot of women, but now I’m finally growing tired of it and trying things that weren’t necessarily “marketed” to my demographic.
I think there are a lot of simmers that dont play other games, so they dont realise what they are actually getting in terms of value. I play Genshin Impact and I honestly feel like I get so much more value out of it than what I get for all The Sims 4 packs combined and Genshin is a FREE TO PLAY single player ARPG Edit: I think the sims 4 has attracted a lot of players that just build. They have essentially changed the game to a building simulator under the sims name.
I know right ive played so many games over my thirty years that have been so fun but then you have sims 4 so sad it stinks I still play it for a few minutes then pit it down for months I know my favorite building slash sorta simulation game is Dragon quest builders 2 it had so much content and fun yes it had dlc a very small amount of dlc that you could buy all for. Twenty four dollars with loads of content that sims 4 could never
I buy a lot of games on Steam. Some are horrible for what I spent. I can have a game on my wishlist for months, hesitating if I should spend €25 or not and take the chance. Whenever a Sims dlc comes out, I pre order, no questions asked. Because I know for a fact that it's worthmy money. I never regret buying any Sims pack or kit. As for other games, I wish I could get a refund cause it feels like money wasted.
@@Firise For me personally I don't think it's worth the money for what the game tells you it is (especially based on the previous sims games) and the quality of gameplay you receive. If I compare it to other games just in terms of the quantity and quality of gameplay you receive for this price tag and for a studio this big and capable... I do like Sims 4 but I also expect better from them.
@@FiriseHonestly I can't justify spending 40€ on a _DLC_ for a game I already own when I could buy several great indie games for the same price. Celeste is 20€, hell, Terraria is 10€ at full price somehow! Personally I feel like if I just take the time to look for games I'm genuinely interested in, that's a much better place to spend my money than on a broken DLC with not even that much new content for Sims.
I've been playing games that need a €15 per month subscription. I'm glad Sims don't do that. You're not forced to buy the dlc to be able to continue to play. Plus I love everything in the For Rent pack and feel like it's worth every €40.
And that is the illusion these apologists fall ignorantly under "well it isnt as bad as X, so people shouodnt complain" even though X was also broken AF and only got minor fixes later for the most severe things (maybe) so X was never bad right?
For Rent makes every pack awesome. I even redid a few lots in Selvadorada because the furniture and build items match so well. I LOVE community living. Having a shared kitchen, shared greenhouse, shared cowshed and having different neighbours every few days. I can never get bored anymore. Plus I didn't encounter any bugs yet.
I really hope ALL simmers pick up BG3 instead of dumping $40 on another EA Sims 4 cash grab. Once you play a game like BG3, which has hundreds of hours of incredible content in the base game, made by a studio like Larian, you can never go back to Sims 4 and EA.
This is exactly why I held off on it. I really feel like that they had something that could have been awesome, but because of these bugs and glitches they've literally missed the mark again. Great observation, Satch, and I hope that you feel better soon.
agreed, why i didn't get the pack either. i thought after the whole My Wedding Stories debacle, i wasn't in any hurry to get this pack. this could have been amazing with some additions if it worked right and came with larger lots and correct food.
Same. I've stopped buying packs right away cause, a , can't afford it and, b, why buy a pack that won't work properly. Leaned that lesson with wedding stories and I still don't plan on buying that pack
I don't know why the EA team didn't add rabbit hole for the boats in Tomarang. Your sim can take a day cruise and come back with different mood buffs. Happy if they enjoyed it, Sad if it was disappointing, Tense if their were a lot of waves and worry about falling overboard, and Dazed if they come back seasick. There are so many possible choices they could have added. Different choices if it was single sim, a couple, or a family outing.
why they didn't use the animation of the yatch from island living? was hoping to use the boats. maybe they think it's bad to re-use animation too much?
I hate the stupid buffs from rabbit holes. I hate the emotion system in general! Nothing changes when they're mad or sad or happy, they just can't do certain things...
I don't care how many times Satch makes a rant video - I will watch every single one. I need the catharsis lol. It's like therapy hearing someone with a platform air these grievances.
I used to try to get expansions as it used to *actually expand the game.* now it expands the accessories collection for the lifeless Barbie’s… I suppose that’s why most simmers have became *just builders or just CAS players…* the assets aren’t broken. I mean, look at kits.
I didn't even realize pool parties were a thing because, yeah; no pools. And can we talk about the emptiness of the tiger sanctuary (my sim was able to do a rabbit-hole to view and then donate - I thought you could also buy items there that were animal-related but guess not), and especially the national park. I think they meant regular park because that is such a small park. I re-categorized it as a municipal park and added the new items for children (hopscotch & marbles), plus a few other items form other packs so it can be a place where families can spend the day and you can meet people. Was so darn empty and lifeless straight at release! Was surprised they had 1 picnic table and a grill and a bench; no chess nor anything for children?! How pathetic! And I was hoping the night market had a bit more to offer. Half of the dishes were ones that were already in the game; I think only 25-50% of the dishes at the night market are new with the pack; not even new fish we can collect?! Very poorly done; there was so much potential. I like the building aspect, but apart from that, it's a huge set dressing. Should have made less set dressing and more lots. Even if they were empty lots for us to build on. What gives?!
Emptiness thats exactly how I felt in new worlds, the same with the world from Growing Together. I had big hopes for that pack, thinking at least I can build small community on one big lot, even if I don't see inside their apartments they would use stuff in common area, but surprise surprise, they only swim and grill and chat for sure, until now I didnt see anyone gardening or kids playing on playground, and again so few of them going out at a time. I guess I ll go back to City living, it felt alive
Hope you feel better soon! my personal theory is that not only do they not give a shit about quality control, but also that they'd already planned on a version of "my first pet stuff" for all the popular packs. and then the backlash to dlc for dlc hit, and they decided that dressing up stuff packs as game/expansion packs resulted in more $$$ and somehow disguises what they really are. that's why this pack seems so much like a city living refresh i think.
At this point I feel like i'm buying whole packs for one gameplay feature I think i'll enjoy or 1 aspect of every pack released. It's like I can't remember the last time i was really excited for gameplay, build/buy, a world, and cas all at once.
As someone who has been playing sims for almost 20 years now and has also owned every pack and almost every spin off they ever did (I even own over half of the sims 3 store), I could do an entire video essay on this subject. Of course, you’ve summed it up much more efficiently than I would have. 😂 But this is something I have thought LOADS about for quite a few years now.
I stopped buying packs at full price after Cats & Dogs made a color wheel available for pets only. It made me so freakin' mad that I decided not to pay the full price at all anymore. unless I get value for my money. I do agree with you that a ton of AAA games are cheaper and provide more gameplay for way less money. I love the SIMS! But I wish they would put passion and love into details and gameplay, as they used to do in previous titles. Yes, we have new features and stuff, but this is to be expected as time goes on. Even so, we are cut short on many features we used to have, and those are badly missing. Hence, I'm happy to see new game studios jumping on this genre. This is a sandbox game, and we get gameplay content without a real satisfying replayability value for a game worth more than 1000 (place your currency). They are aware of the dissatisfaction within our community! They see we want alternatives. However, I highly doubt that the next Sims Generation will be any better or that the developers will have the same amount of love and dedication to detail as they had with previous installments. I'm not convinced that they will provide us with what we want at the desired level of personalization in the future. In case they do? They will let us pay and bleed for those features. They genuinely think their work is fantastic. But in my humble opinion, it's just makeup with no real depth or gaming value. Especially if I compare it to earlier sims-titles. We should have a way better game now! But we don't have many features, still. And well let's face the truth, Sims4's game engine is just bad. Incredibly weak the newer EP-Packs are! Tell you what, that's why they were able to toss out three of them! Their quality delivery has dropped over time! The quality has changed drastically to the high dissantavange of us players. Simply put, the quality testing is subpar. However, the budget for that was slashed! They do notice they can get away with it.They use us to be their testers. That's why they don't bother to keep delivering broken packs. They produce half-baked packs! As an end consumer, I will at least pay half-baked prices on sale to show that I do disagree with their low quality of content. It's that simple. I would pay 100% and preorder things even - if it would be worth it, happily. But the constant EA App-Crash with each recent pack launch? And bare minimum content? Thank you, but no! Our community performs far better when our content creators, cc creators and modders are involved! This, in my humble view, shames Electronic Arts into the ground! You can't convince me otherwise because that is the only explanation for the Sims 4's continued existence. 😉 With much love to our community! 🥰😘
Sims 5 will be the same as all the previous sim releases. They will give us base game and then slowly release all the content in packs that should have been included in base game... example generations/growing together heck even pets. So then we all sink hundreds of dollars into the game and we still won't have everything we should by the time sims 6 is due to roll around. Rinse and repeat. Highly agree the Modders backs must hurt from carrying the game for so long! 😂
@candeezymarie9827 I have no doubt that this is going to be the "sad" reality in the end! Luckily our community can look finally forward to what the competitors will have in store for us. The Sims will have to step up their game if they want to continue to be on top! I'm truly curious to see what will happen. 🧐😉
EA DLC unlocker will be your friend... You can get all the half ass they do without paying anything! The game is OK when you don't have to pay $1000 for everything. I only say ok because bugs and glitches are still rampent but at least ypu didnt pay to get unfinished/broken things.
Buying the packs at all is the problem - they still make a profit. They learn nothing, if people still make them profits on their broken products. Stop being part of the problem, and encouraging them, if you want something better. Money talks!
I agree with this person please for the love of god people remember EA is not a indi developer it ain't a AA studio is A MULTIMILLION COMPANY THAT CAN'T EVEN RELEASE SOMETHING IN A PLAYING STATE OR WITH SUBSTANCE
I've given up hope The Sims 4 will ever live up to the previous games legacy a long time ago, so far they have proven me right. I don't know how they managed to include so many packs and content yet the game is still the most boring out of them all. I don't have any hope the next installation in the series will be any better. It's just so disappointing and new fans will never understand. I pre-ordered The Sims 4 and I was so excited to welcome the game into my life but even from first play it felt empty and lifeless but I held hope that with new expansions and packs that it would alleviate the issues, almost a decade later and it feels the same.
The packs do get tested, but I heard some years ago that the number of playtesters had gone down a LOT between the earlier and latest packs, so it's possible that they're not getting nearly enough testing
I think it just comes down to they know they can get away with it because people will keep buying them regardless. I definitely don’t. This is the first iteration of this game where I don’t own every pack. I own maybe half and even of those I regret some.
I salute your restraint. If you do want all the packs without supporting a bad company there is a pretty simple program called EA DLC unlocker... just sayin...
Pirating is okay, and encouraged when it comes to scummy business practices. You can own them all and not pay for any of them! No amount of complaints matter, if people reward the bad behavior. It's like being mad that your dog pooped on the floor, but you give them a treat anyways. Now they're just going to learn that it's okay! They get what they want!
right! everyone in these comments complaining because the pack sucks (valid) but at the same time... why did you buy it? we already knew about the bugs before it was released, we already know EA doesn't fix the bugs... why don't people wait before buying? I bought 2 packs on the black friday sale that have been out for over 2 years and that i watched many reviews about (and they weren't worth full prince but a quarter of the prince was fine!) Stop buying awful packs and they will stop making them...
I never bothered with The Sims 4 to begin with. Main reason being I didn’t have much money back in 2014, and I already had The Sims 3. As time went on, it became apparent with the barebones content and broken packs that I didn’t feel like involving myself with the game.
at this point, when it comes to pack reviews i can barely watch other content creators as many of them sweep things under the rug. it feels like this channel is seriously the only breath of fresh air around here
EA gave us three EPs in 2012- Showtime, Seasons and Supernatural - but they all still managed to contain more content than a single Sims 4 pack ever could
I used to buy every sims pack, just because I wanted the whole collection, but now I hold off for the honest reviews (like yours) and if there's still one I want, I'll just wait until its on sale now 😂 like I probably still buy for rent, but I'm not paying full price for it when there's known issues. By the time it's on sale, hopefully they'll be patches and updates for it 😂
Same here! I feel like it's hard though. I want to play it now while everyone else is. But later I'll know if I truly want the pack, or if I just wanted to be a part of the community.
I personally don't know what they did that broke the snooping interaction even further. It worked somewhat fine in the preview, as shown by James Turner's video where he tried to steal as many of the Pancake household's items where he got caught and beaten the crap out of. For whatever reason, he could only steal things from the upper floor, but at least the owner didn't show up at the start of the "breaking in" event and sims would react accordingly... wtf
I really appreciate your honesty! We need more people like you reviewing the Sims packs, too many people get excited about the smaller meaningless features you're right 🥺I think I buy the packs because I get sucked into the hype as I've genuinely always loved the franchise but then I forget what they've actually done to the Sims 4 hahah, also I usually want some new build items etc but it's my own fault for not researching first and looking for in-depth reviews. I'm guilty of having quite a few expansion packs and not many of them have felt worth the money to me. I'll be more careful in the future before buying because I'm fed up with being disappointed. Also SNOOP is a useless feature 😭 I said it.
Again thank you for talking about this. My daughter and I agreed we should wait until they fix it to buy it. I’m not paying for something broken. Although I do find it hilarious that two of the bugs are landlords not getting paid rent and rent being $34B like no wonder they don’t pay.
Welcome to modern age where you release now and fix later. Makes me miss a good old cd with the *final* game in it. We can thank internet, shareholders and Fomo
To answer your question towards the end, I personally only buy packs that really interest me or for my current storytelling need. Like, I bought Growing Together because I do a lot of family gameplay. The recent packs have definitely been pretty shallow and disappointing though. Especially the Horse Ranch pack, which I was super excited for because I love horses. However, that pack lacks so much gameplay. I loved getting to make horses in CAS, but I don’t think I’ve touched the gameplay in months after playing through one storyline. I also have spent so much money on the Sims 4, especially because I originally had the game on my Xbox, so I had to repurchase the game and all of the packs on my pc when I switched to playing pc games. This makes it even more frustrating to see the lack of care that the Sims team seems to have for this game. As for other people, I do suspect that the “collection” mindset drives a lot of people to keep buying packs. I also think a lot of players are more casual players who aren’t involved in the online communities, so they genuinely don’t know about the controversies or that the packs are broken before they buy them. I also think a lot of younger people play this game and they may not do as much research before buying packs.
One of the worst problems with this pack besides the build mode is my tenants breaking the lease and moving out of nowhere, without a eeason, ruining my whole story. On top of everything you said, another pack that is completely broken for more than a year is the home decorator one, the career just doesn't work and I saw several people complaining about the issue with no answer from them.
Someone crying because of the no rent bug and I replied with "Why are you surprised? Lower your expectations" and they said "Why would I lower my expectations for something I pay for. What a weird thing to say".
I mean technically. But like ask them back why you'd keep paying someone who consistently smothers your unyielding expectations. edit: To elaborate, I meant stop paying them for subpar quality products in the first place. I didn't mean to actually lower your expectations down to meet a game that works poorly or doesn't fulfill your needs. In hindsight I feel like I'm taking a third position considering I'm not agreeing with either one..
I mean, I feel it's a matter of people wanting the Sims 4 to be great, and it's just... not. They keep buying packs in the hopes that it will improve their gameplay, but there are always bugs and glitches to deal with. Even without the glitches, the gameplay is so incredibly hollow to begin with compared to previous installs. When I played, I had more fun decorating, and in CAS then I did actually playing the game. Realized the problem and stopped giving my money away.
They are 100% right. No one should accept subpar quality for something a company puts out at full price. Full price should mean full COMPLETE product. And the amount of mistakes, glitches and bugs people are "accepting" is just pathetic, 100% pathetic
I’ve moved on to Balders Gate where THAT company gives you hundreds of hours of gameplay AND only charges $60-70 plus gave a free update with even MORE gameplay. I won’t go back to sims until they stop doing this. I’ll buy this pack when it goes on sale. Pretty much done with EA.
It’s like the hire coders right out of high school. How TF is every pack ALWAYS broken smh. It’s just lazy, greedy and them getting away with it. Just sad
It’s such a shame. I’m so disappointed about the secrets feature. This was the perfect way to incorporate the deep lore from the sims franchise, I wouldn’t have minded if they had taken their time with that, or kept updating it with each family or world as time went on
there is also lack of quality control. why is it that I see that to 'break in' is using a crowbar? like someone wouldn't hear that. and to be 'nosy' the sims pull out binoculars when less then 5 feet from the sim. it breaks any sense of feeling seamless.
Thank you for your words. Too many Sims content creators (often endorsed by EA go figure) just sing praise for the latest pack and don’t talk about how truly corrupt EA is for charging so much for so little. It makes me so, so angry. Been playing sims for over 20 years now and it’s really shameful what the game has become.
for rent was great when it was announced cause I guess we thought the apartment life system of SIms 2 was making a return and having apartments that arent fixed buildings and are anything you want is great, however they can-t justify the price if its broken incomplete and dumb, like the burglar feature was exciting to me i thought it would be like a career or you could steal stuff o money or idk, that the sims would react or you could maybe get in trouble. it feels like for rent should have been included in city living, as growing together should have been in parenthood, as horse ranch should have been in pets and as my first pet shit too EA are basically shamelessly using their consumers who they overcharge as testers
thanks for the honest review! The last sim pack I bought was High School Years (which is a decision I regret), now I just keep up with the community to see if the quality improves but EA always disappoints.
As much as I love the sims, I would never spend a single dollar on a sims 4 pack ever again until EA does something with their issues. I just get it all for free from the internet, many people had told me that I should feel bad but, Why exactly? I don’t wanna get scammed on buying some extremely broken, boring and unplayable packs, I even stopped playing the game even though I started to collect expansions packs for free, because after two months I did literally everything I could :/ Ur completely right on everything, people should start to spend their money wisely, or at least get it for free if you can, don’t feel bad for it because this company has enough money to solve all the sims 4 problems, they just don’t want to. I remember that I used to buy the packs even though I could get em for free, because it’s cool to invest on something that makes u happy, and if by investing you are contributing on it improving, then is super satisfying, but at this point I don’t feel bad for downloading things for free. I came to the conclusion that many people still buy packs because they are getting logically bored of the game but don’t want to stop playing
the answer to the question in the beginning: it's shareholders. Games aren't just a product or art, it's a big big BIG business with stocks and investors waiting for their share of the money. Delaying a game too often or for too long can get the company sued by investors who put in a ton of money and are waiting for their return to come in once the game is released. At the same time, releasing a broken game and with the plan to fix it in post can get you sued by the public on the grounds of not giving what they said was being sold to them (Bethesda is currently being sued for this as it relates to Fallout 76). So sometimes, if there's a ton of pressure coming in both directions, the company has to choose: risk the lawsuits with the public or with the shareholders. In the case of EA, they pretty much only care about money, so they're likely putting tight deadlines on an inexperienced, low-paid team working off of an absolute mess of spaghetti code that is the Base Game and promising their investors very quick, immediate returns once the pack is released in the short time frame that they set. As long as they don't outright lie about what's in the pack or can be proven that they intended to release something unfinished, any public lawsuits are less likely to go through. This also isn't touching on the rest of the issues with the gaming industry: the treatment of workers and their wages (or lack thereof), the advancement of technology, training and retention of new employees in a gig economy, etc.
Thanks Satch, I like the way you discuss the packs. As to your question, my guess is that the Sims 4 is so utterly boring as to gameplay, people want to buy a new pack to have some extra gameplay. As it happens, I stopped playing the Sims 4 more than 2 years ago, now playing the Sims 2 which is so much more fun. For a moment I was considering to go back and buy this pack. Your video made me reconsider.
I don't buy anything Sims until I hear from you. If I wanna buy something from the past release I go back and look through your videos. I always wait for your reviews. You are always blunt and honest. I hope you feel better soon Sach.
I am so disappointed with the Sims Team, Horse Ranch was already just an upsold Gamepack, but For Rent wouldnt even be a fully fleshed out Gamepack!!! And they upsold it for n expansion pack that doesnt even work! Honestly I'm not sure, if I will buy any Pack since Horse Ranch and upcoming, this is honestly so disrespectful to their community!
People buy the packs and reluctantly ignore bugs because the base game is not a full game. The playability of the Sims 4 base game lasts maybe a couple of hours, once you've created a sim, built a house and used your phone for a bit, there's not much left to do.
You got it right initially about how Game Development works with bugs. The testers list the bugs, the producers prioritize them. But during the fixing of these bugs, new bugs might be created, and eventually through this cycle you get less and less critical bugs. Not to mention that sometimes bugs might end up in changes in the game design, further feeding the cycle. The issue is that there are so many other departments that depend on the release of the game/update (like marketing, budget, etc) that you just can't push further the release so some bugs will end up not being fixed for the release and patched up later. And with games as complex as The Sims, things complicate exponentially.
Well so far I got the base game for free, my second pet stuff for free, Cottage living and cats & dogs for half the price, and city living and seasons for only 40 % of the price. So when I buy a pack I am strongly influenced by the sale conditions and your recommendations. There are a few more packs I consider on buying, but I'm waiting for the next sale. I also wish to buy get to work and snowy escape, but only if they are like 80% off, I don't know if that ever happens.
Honestly I don’t think it’s “being a Karen” or “snowflake” when you expect a game to actually be finished and not have that many bugs, literally all of the sims 4 packs have so many bugs that they don’t care about. I’m sick and tired of them being so careless to the people that appreciate and love the game. Especially of how much all of the packs are 😭
I had a sim move into a 185 per day apartment. At the end of the week, the rent and utility bill was 13 billion. You can’t cheat that high, so it’s a constant thing now where the power is off / the repo people come. I couldn’t move, so I bought the building to move out as a rental property, but I still can’t turn on the lights anywhere I move because of the 13 billion debt So. Like. It’s not playable in its current state.
Sorry, I thought someone else made a typo when they said 34 billion in debt. But you guys are really getting that? That's bananas! It'd be funny if you didn't have to pay for the pack.
Idk something about not being able to afford rent while working 2 jobs and a multi billion dollar cash grabbing company releasing a for rent expansion rubs me the wrong way.
I personally buy packs and expansions based on price and what gameplay matters to me (mainly careers, worlds, gameplay that adds interaction and new dynamics) since I am more of a generations simmer. Since I'm also a student, I tend to be picky about what DLC I pay for. Therefore, I have some like seasons, parenthood, realm of magic, get together, cottage lviving, sppoky stuff, moschino stuff, and a couple of other ones. I dont play a lot, so I haven't invested in as much DLC as I want. But i feel that they could have made multiple DLCs into one, & perfected them, making it so they dont have release content as often and actually take time to make quality DLC For rent & City living could have been one Parenthood & Get Together could have been one Vampires & Warewolves & Paranormal & Spooky suff could have been one
You have such an iconic laugh that you could honestly just copy paste it into your videos while you are sick. Hope you have some good tea, ginger and honey.
I pírate the game and even I feel that it is too much of a hassle to re-download 40GB for such little additions. I wait for like 4-5 packs to come out before I reinstall the new stuff😊
@@elvierasandra no because of the base game updates, dlcs can’t be copied by themselves, it crashes. You have to get the whole thing with the latest patches
@@nnex6564 i think we have different approach of pirating bcs i have some app that allows me to just update the game and download the dlcs then just unlocked it
Personally I only buy pack when they have discounts on them and it has to be one I really want. I've been slowly getting the packs with occult Sims cause I find them more interesting and generally just fit the vibes I like more. Other than that I mostly just get new pack if they have good furniture, bonus is the case is good. I mostly just build things and make households for my builds, so I get new packs for additional options when I start to feel bored and uninspired with the content I own (when I actually have any money to spend that is)
Thank you Satch for this honest review. I haven't updated or purchased the For Rent Pack because I felt the reviews I've seen was leaving out vital info i.e what's wrong with the pack. I can't thank you enough. And you're never being a Karen, you're just keeping it 💯... Stay Real😊
Sims fans crack me up. Y'all keep buying the packs (not including people who review them for TH-cam content), so EA has no incentive to be better. It's literally insane how people give them money for trash and get surprised Pikachu face when the pack is an inevitable buggy mess. I get it. I've loved this series since 2000. But I haven't bought Sims 4 packs in YEARS. They just aren't good, and why waste my time and money?
Satch - for me, the main reason that I have all of the packs is so that i don't have to be concerned that I'm missing any content if I download lots or households from the gallery. Usually, I can find enough redeeming gameplay to justify the purchase (when combined with the new items of the pack), but For Rent is really, really lacking. The new items aren't enough to make this one worth it. At this point, the only gameplay that I am using from this pack is from the rice cooker. That's truly lame. I gave up on the rental aspects of this game entirely. Your rant is truly justified.
My EA app literally never works. When I see an update I don’t even feel excited because I just know it’ll take forever to download and there’ll be loads of crashes
I purchased this pack because I love building and really enjoyed the build buy reviews I saw. I won't be using the landlord gameplay often but will be living in apartments, I just wanted to be able to make them myself and I couldn't wait for a sale 😂 So maybe it's a bit of an addiction, I admit I should have just waited, but I'm enjoying the pack anyway.
also can we talk for a second about how you can only buy minimum of 20 dollar cards for ea and sims games, but each game is 19.99 with a dollar of tax SO YOU CAN"T BUY THE GAME WITH THE MONEY YOU PUT ON YOUR ACCOUNT WITHOUT SPENDING ANOTHER 20 DOLLARS
Satch, I am so obsessed with you. If only some of the other Sims creators had the honesty you do! In terms of why I buy Sims 4 expansions, I only get the ones that are able to be fleshed out with mods.
12:42 you answered your own question. I tried a rental in willow creek. I tried to buy it I moved the owners in and out. I bulldozed the lot but the plain grass y lot thats left still comes up as a rental.
I got so disappointed by the ranch pack that I actually dont want to buy packs at all anymore. I got bored after a day of playing. Maybe i’ll by future packs at 50% off or something but even then it’s expensive. It’s so crazy how you can buy complete full games with hundreds of hours of gameplay for the same price as one soulless pack on sims.
As someone who is in Tech and also has a basic understanding of game design. ALL IT WOULD TAKE IS A FEW EXTRA LINES OF CODE in order to implement the neighbors actually caring about snooping.
i bought the for rent pack, got charged twice and opened a ticket. they emailed me basically saying they need to confirm my identity to prove that i’m the TRUE owner of the account to move forward with the case. this was after i was unable to download the expansion pack for hours due to the servers being down on the EA app.
back when the sims 4 was released, i bought every expansion pack. by the time cats & dogs came out, i realized how hollow the game was even with the expansions and i stopped buying them. now there are way too many packs at such high prices (for nothing) that i know for certain i won't have all the new content, and i'm honestly fine with that. unless ea goes back and does refreshes and has sales, i will not purchase the majority of the packs. it's just not worth it + i refuse to give ea any of my money out of spite & hatred for the corporation.
I keep buying packs bc I get so bored I do anything for more gameplay bc I want to relive the sims 3 days. That’s my reason. I’m not exactly proud of that either
I had no idea there was a global strike today regarding you know what 🍉🍉 if I knew I probably wouldn't have posted fyi!
Global strike for what?
I'm clueless 😂
Global strike?
Watermelon is the symbol of the Palestinian struggle I believe
@@marta9854Apparantly people think if they skip work etc there will be a ceasefire in gaza. It's amazing if people think it will actually work 😂
It's frustrating that the sims community is so ignorant as to defend a multi billion dollar company just because it released a crappy pack. When Cyberpunk 2077 was released, the game was removed from the PlayStation Store and even CD Project Red fans could offer an objective view of the game. But simmers are not like that, horse ranch is a 40 dollar pack and they don't even give anyone the right to criticize just because the horses are coming. However, you can buy RDR2 for that price. A game set entirely in western theme.
This comment!! The community is extremely ignorant in defending bull crap 😂💯
I think this just shows that simmers don’t play other games, all they play is the sims. If they played other games or even the older sims games they would know better.
@@kolanutbae the older sims games, definitely! Someone would be like "the sims 4 is the best game ever"
And the sims 2 would sit in the back silently 😂
I read R2 D2 and was so confused
Of course CD Project Red had a reputation of "it'll be released when it's ready" and they didn't, our expectations were very high, and rightfully so, and they knew it. It's beyond me why so many out there are so quick to defend mediocrity, and worse. Been seeing a whole lot of "I'd rather play it now" people rather than "I'd rather wait until it's ready" folk. It really took me by surprise when people reacted that way to City Skylines II, where people are now realizing that optimization is only one small problem with that game. Wondering why so many gamers see little issue with rewarding companies for tossing subpar products at us rather than holding their noses in it and helping to make sure that we can all get our monies worth??
I just started getting into Sims 4 lately and I’m surprised nobody brought up the fact that there’s ALREADY RENT 😂 City Living has RENT… EA made you pay for something you already have 😭
True. My Sim rents an apartment in City Living and has a roommate that pays her rent. She can visit the neighbors, attend local events, eat at communal tables outside, etc. Works fine, no glitches.
The most sims 4 players thought about the sims 2 apartment building and renting. The hope was to build apartments however you want, but apparently it’s buggy. Sims 2 did so much better, as well as open for business/get to work
@@pattijay718 your roommates actually do stuff? They're super bugged for me and just stand around doing nothing when my sim leaves.
But what city living *doesn't* have is the ability to make your own apartments WHICH IS WHAT PEOPLE WANTED!
People will find any reason to complain.
@@blobbertmcblob4888well we can’t make our own rentals, now can we? because the pack is broken.
people have a reason and a right to complain.
Be a Karen! I'll join you. The small lots are ridiculous, especially with the pool parties. I've had nothing but trouble with the bugs and the thrill of a new pack is totally gone. I'm even having problems building because I'm struggling to be inspired with the tiny lots. It feels like the high school world that was such a let down, because the lots were so tiny and the loading screens are so long. I already decided that I'm not moving forward to the Sims 5 if it's in this condition, and I'm ready to give up on the Sims 4 and move on to other games that deserve my money.
You guys really aren't being a Karens because what you're saying and talking about is totally valid!! lol Some toxic people in the community complain about the most obscure or niche things and for some reason those people tend to be the loudest meanwhile those of us who are just reasonably asking for a functioning, complete, game with actual gameplay are like tossed to the side lol
@@mbb434 I absolutely agree. I just want to play the Sims game I fell in love with. I have trouble going back to the Sims 3 because the Sims are too pixeled or cartoonish, but I love the worlds. The Sims 4 has just been a non-stop disappointment with broken packs and expensive payout.
I'm not planning to get sims 5 either. Maybe I'll try out another simulation game, if there is a good one out on the market ...
I think EA really knows what they're doing marketing wise. They do make it feel like you're missing out when not having every pack, which is totally playing into our current FOMO culture. And shortly before every new release, they give the "positive" Simtubers early access to hype it up. I've been actively noticing this time that a lot of Simtubers do fall into this "oh look a bug, what else is new", like it's just accepted at this point?
Thanks for being a voice of reason in this time and really calling EA out on its bullshit. It's really refreshing to see, that's why I love your videos.
THIS.
Pretty much every other game releases their updates for completely free. Imagine playing 35 quid every time Fortnite added a season.
The truth is that I have been thinking about what you said in this video for a long time. Other game developers sell downloadable content for half the price of a Sims expansion and the quality is infinitely superior. It seems like for literally every other video game the bar is always set very high and the expectations are higher. But for some reason, the Sims fanbase has such a low bar of compliance that anything the developers give them for an exorbitant price will please them. I blame most of the Sims 4 fanbase for letting EA destroy a saga so loved and beloved by many (including me) and transform it into this horrible, ugly, flat, cringey game. You said it, Satch, it's no longer The Sims, it's now a "simulation" game. Because now everything is pretending, even people are pretending that the game is fine. Unfortunately, I have no hope for the future of The Sims or Sims 5, by any means.
I honestly wonder if part of the low-quality and low-motivation to fix and improve the game has anything to do with the fact that this is one of the few games that has a large female and female-presenting fan base? So they have this mindset of "eh, who cares they just want pretty dolls to play with. Stop overreacting!"
agreed they ruined the sims. i personally refuse to buy any more sims content because i don't want to support EA at all
Lol not pokemon games. The community does the same thing. Literally the biggest franchise in the world pushes out a rushed, glitchy and badly running game in 2022 and the community praises it like the 2nd coming of jesus. It's a year later and the game is still a buggy incompkete mess, but you wont hear that from pokemon players, especially ones in the spotlight, Wolfey, One of the most famous players gave the game 10/10 when people were COMMONLY falling through the floor into an abyss... the gyms can be done in any order... BUT DON'T SCALE, to this day Wolfey even admits he dosnt play the DLC because it lags so much around water... ON A SYSTEM IT WAS DESIGNED TO PLAY ON!! this isnt a port or a game that was supposed to be on the failed Wii U that they brought to Switxh instead.
Nope they just failed.
And Toxic fans would say it is the best game to date
@@kxd4103if you want to still play but not support them EA DLC unlocker is always an option ;)
@@Dan55888this is very very true :)
Thank you so much for using your platform to hold EA accountable. Loving your awesome content!
I appreciate that!
I spent about 7 hours building the cutest little apartments. Moved my sims and others sims in. For rent to literally be $4,967,265 💀.
omg, you aren't alone. i've seen so many simmers posting million dollar rents on their units on Reddit, Tumblr, and Twitter. the renting system is so broken, i'm sorry you're one of the simmers affected by this.
same here
I’ve got this too! And free real estate cheat isn’t working on rentals (tbh, idk if is supposed to work or not) 🙄
Same, can't even play with it
But thats how it works in real life. Apartments and apartment buildings really cost that much, especially furnished.
I build with debug a lot and noticed the foliage assets in Tomarang are reused from the Sulani debug items which disappointed me cause most worlds come with unique debug foliage. More proof EA is becoming lazy
They spent it all on mold swatches 😅
I’ve seen duplicate wallpaper recolors from separate packs. It’s outrageous.
Yes and Jungle Adventure
It's not the only pack reusing assets from older packs in debug unfortunately
@@aurorebergen2779 growing together really went there as well
I've also seen lots of people complaining about the complaints, such as in the Sims subreddit. Like there's an attitude of "don't complain, you shouldn't have bought it knowing how bad the packs are" - wait what?! People should complain all they want.
I saw that too lol it made me so mad
On one hand I get it. Why pay full price for a game infamous for lackluster content? Have some conviction and stop handing EA your money. On the other, this is a triple A game publisher, not an indie startup. Maxis and EA ought to be held up to higher standards given the mortgage payment price of the DLC combined. The complaints are warranted.
It blows my mind that other customers try to put the blame on other customers instead of going "hey! We were served a bad product"
Like if these people were at a restaraunt and a waiter brought over all the steak and potatoes meals everyone ordered, but one persons potato fell off the plate on the way to the table, someone elses steak was undercooked and there was a fly in the third.
Would these people just sit and eat their incomplete meal and tell the others "well it was YOUR fault for ordering here, everyone knows this place makes tons of mistakes..." ???
I hate that sub so much
I mean I want the functionality but I can't buy it as long as it's broken and doesn't work. So can I complain? It's a bad business practice and we can complain about it all we want, having bought packs or not!
I just found Sims 2 Double Deluxe (which includes base game and nightlife) for 99 cents at a thrift store. I'd been wanting to play Sims 2 again for a while and got lucky. I know old timey simmers will understand my joy.
Lucky you! It's a really great game. Hope you find more expansions too, I really love apartments in the sims 2. Just wish I could be landlord
Does the cd actually work? My old sims games dont work on win 10 :(
@@1kulik Pleasantsims has a guide on her website how to get the game to run well on Windows 10, but I don't know if that will help if it will not even install. I know I just had to run the graphics setting program and ram fix, but I installed through Origin. I haven't tried my discs on a modern machine
@@1kulikyou can download the whole thing for free online. It works.
@@1kuliki had this issue. it took a day to fix it but it was my birthday gift so i refused to give up
I watched a video recently about a Malaysian simmer (MatineeSims) who was complaining about one of the new recipes in the game. She seemed genuinely upset because it was one of their national dishes and it looks nothing like it. They hyped up this pack having a new culture so much but didn't even bother making the main dish accurate.
I saw that video. She was so torn about making a negative comment but she was bang on - the dish looked nothing like the actual dish. She said it was the national dish of Malaysia and having it poorly displayed she felt portrayed her culture badly. I’m glad she spoke up.
@@aoefeable I saw that and I felt bad because she genuinely didn't want to complain but the sims team literally made such a gorgeous dish look like rice porridge. 😕
@@aoefeableI also saw that video and being a Malaysian I totally agree with her.. Like how is that Nasi Lemak? Even a modder can make a good food as cc.. It just screams laziness
I saw it as well. She couldn't figure out how the molders could get it so right, and yet a huge corporation can't.
The Nasi Lemak dish looks like a bowl of blurry vomit. Most of the food in the Sims 4 looks markedly worse than other graphics in the game and I don't know why.
i’m not a builder, so i totally rely on the gallery for my lots and houses and such. i feel the pressure to have ALL the packs in order to have freedom in the gallery. i know it’ll replace items if you don’t have certain packs, but it’s not the same 😞
I need the Sims team to start playtesting! Every time a new pack comes out, it breaks my game and it's so irritating.
I feel like they do playtest but still put it out anyway hoping each time that people won't complain 🙄
To be fair, they playtest in a vacuum with the new pack and a clean base game on a fresh save which isn’t gonna face the same levels of code as most peoples games. So they make a feature and implement it in a vacuum. They need to bring in actual players sooner and let them playtest on older saves with all their mix of packs active.
They also released to some youtubers early then pretty much released with known bugs that even supportive youtubers pointed out were an issue.
Supportive You Tubers still said the pack was a “must buy” even though the rent feature didn’t work. This bothers me. Maybe others don’t think it’s a big deal though.
They could easily find fans to play test for them too there's literally millions of people playing
Same.
I downloaded sims 2 a couple of years ago and played it for the first time and it was SO GOOD. I DIDNT KNOW HOW GOOD THEY USED TO HAVE IT. Sims 3 was my first game and while I liked it (enough to be excited for the sims 4 when it was first announced) I didn’t realize how much life could be put into a game until playing the sims 2.
How’d you download sims 2? Just curious I have always wanted to play it
@@lindsaywilliams6435 TH-cam keeps DELETING my comments where I try to help you download and fix The Sims 2, do you have an email or something where I can send you the info?. I'm so done, I've written the same long ass comment twice... TWICE.
@lindsaywilliams6435 Just look up a TH-cam crack tutorial, and then once you have it. Watch a sims 2 graphic guide on TH-cam, to update the game's capability. It's so worth it! If u have further questions let me know!
@@lindsaywilliams6435internet archives
Yes!!!!! I actually went back to sims 2 recently. I miss sims 4 CAS but s2 is sooo charming with its game play.
I am not shocked other sim creators aren't speaking up. They are worried about losing their good grace with EA. Its frustrating because maybe if the bigger creators spoke up maybe EA would attempt to change. This is the first pack I refuse to buy. Even though at this point I buy packs for the items and world not the gameplay. Which is sad. The gameplay should be the reason for buying the pack. I just can't justify forty dollars for my game to break.
Or, alternatively, if they spoke up, maybe their followers might actually start speaking up as well. There is a reason they are called influencers, and sadly to say, most at too quick to review nicely when it isn't deserved.
Corperations have WAY too much power over people
They don't speak up because then they wont get FREE packs
@@Aloysius_OHareSorry but I think that definitely isn’t the reason, I think they could afford them just fine😂
Same, first pack I won't buy. I've lived in China for a couple of years, I was so excited about this pack but the quality dropped so much, I just don't want to buy it. It's shocking how bad the quality is and how buggy it is. I usually buy packs for the build buy and cas and not so much for the world, even though I would love to have more gameplay there just hasn't really been any except maybe city living.
I've been playing the Sims since 1999. I own every pack for Sims 1, 2, and 3. I also have thousands of hours of play across the series.
I started playing Sims 4 and bought every pack up until Sims 4 Cats and Dogs. That pack was the nail in the coffin for me, I couldn't shake the feeling of being taken advantage of by EA, and I haven't played the game since.
The worst part is I am primarily a builder, something which the Sims 4 does well, but even that isn't enough to bring me back to the franchise. I play a LOT of video games and EA's business model is atrocious and predatory compared to *most* triple A studios (big asterisk there). They can't even feign ignorance at this point, they're a predatory company that's saying the quiet part out loud. And they prey upon the (mostly younger) members of the community, and those simmers who can't take off their rose tinted glasses.
It's unfortunate all around.
I'd say sadly its not just rose tinted glasses, but we also just really really love the series in that deep nostalgic "personal" way. Humans struggle with not letting that emotion sweep them in even when they KNOW its not good anymore. I adore the sims so my brain wants to support and love the sims. But sadly its owned by a blood sucking monster called EA that has slowly turned up the heat over the last ~15 years, cooking us to death bc its hard to know when to jump ship. *maybe the NEXT pack will be better!!* or "well...I have 6000 mods installed and so much money sunk in- I will Brute FORCE this game to be fun/good!!"
Its not good for any of us, but it is a little different to rose tinted. It feels more like (sorry this is rude but having been in one I mean the emotional defensiveness) someone in a terrible neglectful longterm relationship. I think the trend of several new developers working on this specific Sim daily life genre is our BEST hope we've ever had. Pressure on the company from us knowing we have other options (better or just cheaper and variety) that can hurt their empire if they don't grow and better the Sims Franchise....
@brigade7678 totally fair. I would never dog on someone for liking what they like, and I am rooting for the franchise to change direction. If they don't change, I do hope fans of the series slowly migrate to better games that bring them that same joy.
I think EA is adopting the business model of targeting a younger demographic, who are more naive, to replace the older fans, who recognize predatory business practices for what they are. Even those who enjoy the game are aware that the Sims 4 is far more shallow than its predecessors.
With this in mind (and if EA doesn't change direction), the death of the franchise will be long and drawn, like harvest moon/story of seasons.
Same here.
I used to buy all the packs up until horse ranch (I had to draw the line when they released it as AN EXPANSION PACK) but I think you’re spot on with it being an addiction and EA knows it. They also market it in a way that feels like you’re missing out on having the game be it’s full potential (ex. The packs used to show up as filled in icons on the main menu, they show the worlds you can’t visit, the gallery shows all the packs others use that you don’t have etc.) it’s extremely manipulative!
Same. Last thing I bought was
Werewolves and Cottage Living. I got My first pet stuff because it was free.
It's been a yr since I bought anything, and I'm glad that werewolves and cottage living was pretty good. Everything else hasn't excited me and is super glitchy.
And agreed on the greyed out world icons. They are banking on you breaking down and buying it to have a full list. I've learned to just ignore it. Or play offline after logging in, if I feel tempted.
I won't buy any packs full price or on opening day now. If I see them on sale and they've fixed the bugs, I'll get them. I'm just sitting back watch the For Rent drama and will wait until the dust settles.
@@halfbakedn00b Same! Last pack I bought was werewolves (skipped My Wedding Disaster and Highschool Years because omg, how broken can it be!).
Have bought nothing anymore since, I just can't anymore since I spent already too much money on this game and it's DLCs for them to become gradually more bad and broken with time.
But I've learned my lesson. With every game and DLC that I want, I watch reviews first and then decided if it's worth my money.
And Sims 4 will not get anything from me anymore. This game started broken and will stay broken until the very end of it.
Just pirate the game, you won’t miss out and you wont be giving EA your money
@@isadora7286 I fully just gave up on the sims 4 and uninstalled it. I’ve been having a blast playing sims 3 again instead which really opens your eyes to how pitiful the sims 4 is in comparison.
i totally agree with you. it is embarashing that ts4 doesn't get the scrutiny it deserves.
Rather than buy another pack and be disappointed, I spent the EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY on a new copy of GTA and have been endlessly entertained. These packs are priced insanely.
Happy for you. I did the same thing to prepare for gta6, I'm also getting started on the Alan Wake series and upgrading my pc for Baldur's Gate. Once I get my pc upgraded, I'm saying goodbye to the Sims and it will be permanently Uninstalled. There are WAY too many great games out there that deserve my playtime and money much more than EA does
@@M00nberryPie omg I was between gta and baldurs gate!! But I was so hype abt the new gta trailer I decided to finally give story mode a whole play through. I only ever played the online version on my brothers account 🤣 because I never saw girls into gaming. I think the sims is a gateway into gaming for a lot of women, but now I’m finally growing tired of it and trying things that weren’t necessarily “marketed” to my demographic.
I think there are a lot of simmers that dont play other games, so they dont realise what they are actually getting in terms of value. I play Genshin Impact and I honestly feel like I get so much more value out of it than what I get for all The Sims 4 packs combined and Genshin is a FREE TO PLAY single player ARPG
Edit: I think the sims 4 has attracted a lot of players that just build. They have essentially changed the game to a building simulator under the sims name.
I know right ive played so many games over my thirty years that have been so fun but then you have sims 4 so sad it stinks I still play it for a few minutes then pit it down for months I know my favorite building slash sorta simulation game is Dragon quest builders 2 it had so much content and fun yes it had dlc a very small amount of dlc that you could buy all for. Twenty four dollars with loads of content that sims 4 could never
I buy a lot of games on Steam. Some are horrible for what I spent. I can have a game on my wishlist for months, hesitating if I should spend €25 or not and take the chance.
Whenever a Sims dlc comes out, I pre order, no questions asked. Because I know for a fact that it's worthmy money. I never regret buying any Sims pack or kit.
As for other games, I wish I could get a refund cause it feels like money wasted.
@@Firise For me personally I don't think it's worth the money for what the game tells you it is (especially based on the previous sims games) and the quality of gameplay you receive. If I compare it to other games just in terms of the quantity and quality of gameplay you receive for this price tag and for a studio this big and capable... I do like Sims 4 but I also expect better from them.
@@FiriseHonestly I can't justify spending 40€ on a _DLC_ for a game I already own when I could buy several great indie games for the same price. Celeste is 20€, hell, Terraria is 10€ at full price somehow!
Personally I feel like if I just take the time to look for games I'm genuinely interested in, that's a much better place to spend my money than on a broken DLC with not even that much new content for Sims.
I've been playing games that need a €15 per month subscription. I'm glad Sims don't do that. You're not forced to buy the dlc to be able to continue to play.
Plus I love everything in the For Rent pack and feel like it's worth every €40.
For rent makes high school years, growing together and horse ranch seem as really complete and fun packs
That was their plan all along! lol
Facts
And they have 120 dollars out of everyone for them.
And that is the illusion these apologists fall ignorantly under "well it isnt as bad as X, so people shouodnt complain" even though X was also broken AF and only got minor fixes later for the most severe things (maybe) so X was never bad right?
For Rent makes every pack awesome. I even redid a few lots in Selvadorada because the furniture and build items match so well.
I LOVE community living. Having a shared kitchen, shared greenhouse, shared cowshed and having different neighbours every few days. I can never get bored anymore.
Plus I didn't encounter any bugs yet.
I started playing BG3 and the amount of FREE content Larian is still giving us??? Insane. I can’t even justify buying sims packs anymore
I really hope ALL simmers pick up BG3 instead of dumping $40 on another EA Sims 4 cash grab. Once you play a game like BG3, which has hundreds of hours of incredible content in the base game, made by a studio like Larian, you can never go back to Sims 4 and EA.
This is exactly why I held off on it. I really feel like that they had something that could have been awesome, but because of these bugs and glitches they've literally missed the mark again. Great observation, Satch, and I hope that you feel better soon.
agreed, why i didn't get the pack either. i thought after the whole My Wedding Stories debacle, i wasn't in any hurry to get this pack. this could have been amazing with some additions if it worked right and came with larger lots and correct food.
@@dichromatism1681 correct food? I missed that bit, going to have to rewatch some of these reviews (I'm usually multitasking)
Yeah I haven't bought it yet lol.
Same. I've stopped buying packs right away cause, a , can't afford it and, b, why buy a pack that won't work properly. Leaned that lesson with wedding stories and I still don't plan on buying that pack
I don't know why the EA team didn't add rabbit hole for the boats in Tomarang. Your sim can take a day cruise and come back with different mood buffs. Happy if they enjoyed it, Sad if it was disappointing, Tense if their were a lot of waves and worry about falling overboard, and Dazed if they come back seasick. There are so many possible choices they could have added. Different choices if it was single sim, a couple, or a family outing.
why they didn't use the animation of the yatch from island living? was hoping to use the boats. maybe they think it's bad to re-use animation too much?
I hate the stupid buffs from rabbit holes. I hate the emotion system in general! Nothing changes when they're mad or sad or happy, they just can't do certain things...
I don't care how many times Satch makes a rant video - I will watch every single one. I need the catharsis lol. It's like therapy hearing someone with a platform air these grievances.
agreed! more people need to start calling EA out
These fully valid greivences too. I HATE corperation apologists.
I can't get enough of Satch's brutally honest content, Sims or not. Love u Satch
Me too, Satch is the best reviewer and that's that!! ❤ Funny and Truthful!! 🎉🎉🎉
I used to try to get expansions as it used to *actually expand the game.* now it expands the accessories collection for the lifeless Barbie’s… I suppose that’s why most simmers have became *just builders or just CAS players…* the assets aren’t broken. I mean, look at kits.
I didn't even realize pool parties were a thing because, yeah; no pools. And can we talk about the emptiness of the tiger sanctuary (my sim was able to do a rabbit-hole to view and then donate - I thought you could also buy items there that were animal-related but guess not), and especially the national park. I think they meant regular park because that is such a small park. I re-categorized it as a municipal park and added the new items for children (hopscotch & marbles), plus a few other items form other packs so it can be a place where families can spend the day and you can meet people. Was so darn empty and lifeless straight at release! Was surprised they had 1 picnic table and a grill and a bench; no chess nor anything for children?! How pathetic! And I was hoping the night market had a bit more to offer. Half of the dishes were ones that were already in the game; I think only 25-50% of the dishes at the night market are new with the pack; not even new fish we can collect?! Very poorly done; there was so much potential. I like the building aspect, but apart from that, it's a huge set dressing. Should have made less set dressing and more lots. Even if they were empty lots for us to build on. What gives?!
Emptiness thats exactly how I felt in new worlds, the same with the world from Growing Together. I had big hopes for that pack, thinking at least I can build small community on one big lot, even if I don't see inside their apartments they would use stuff in common area, but surprise surprise, they only swim and grill and chat for sure, until now I didnt see anyone gardening or kids playing on playground, and again so few of them going out at a time.
I guess I ll go back to City living, it felt alive
I agree, give us usable lots instead of a very big set dressing
Hope you feel better soon! my personal theory is that not only do they not give a shit about quality control, but also that they'd already planned on a version of "my first pet stuff" for all the popular packs. and then the backlash to dlc for dlc hit, and they decided that dressing up stuff packs as game/expansion packs resulted in more $$$ and somehow disguises what they really are. that's why this pack seems so much like a city living refresh i think.
At this point I feel like i'm buying whole packs for one gameplay feature I think i'll enjoy or 1 aspect of every pack released. It's like I can't remember the last time i was really excited for gameplay, build/buy, a world, and cas all at once.
For me the only pack I liked all aspects of was cottage living
As someone who has been playing sims for almost 20 years now and has also owned every pack and almost every spin off they ever did (I even own over half of the sims 3 store), I could do an entire video essay on this subject. Of course, you’ve summed it up much more efficiently than I would have. 😂 But this is something I have thought LOADS about for quite a few years now.
I'd watch a huge video essay on the matter tho
I stopped buying packs at full price after Cats & Dogs made a color wheel available for pets only. It made me so freakin' mad that I decided not to pay the full price at all anymore. unless I get value for my money. I do agree with you that a ton of AAA games are cheaper and provide more gameplay for way less money. I love the SIMS! But I wish they would put passion and love into details and gameplay, as they used to do in previous titles. Yes, we have new features and stuff, but this is to be expected as time goes on. Even so, we are cut short on many features we used to have, and those are badly missing. Hence, I'm happy to see new game studios jumping on this genre. This is a sandbox game, and we get gameplay content without a real satisfying replayability value for a game worth more than 1000 (place your currency). They are aware of the dissatisfaction within our community! They see we want alternatives. However, I highly doubt that the next Sims Generation will be any better or that the developers will have the same amount of love and dedication to detail as they had with previous installments.
I'm not convinced that they will provide us with what we want at the desired level of personalization in the future. In case they do? They will let us pay and bleed for those features. They genuinely think their work is fantastic. But in my humble opinion, it's just makeup with no real depth or gaming value. Especially if I compare it to earlier sims-titles. We should have a way better game now! But we don't have many features, still. And well let's face the truth, Sims4's game engine is just bad.
Incredibly weak the newer EP-Packs are! Tell you what, that's why they were able to toss out three of them! Their quality delivery has dropped over time! The quality has changed drastically to the high dissantavange of us players. Simply put, the quality testing is subpar. However, the budget for that was slashed! They do notice they can get away with it.They use us to be their testers. That's why they don't bother to keep delivering broken packs.
They produce half-baked packs! As an end consumer, I will at least pay half-baked prices on sale to show that I do disagree with their low quality of content. It's that simple. I would pay 100% and preorder things even - if it would be worth it, happily. But the constant EA App-Crash with each recent pack launch? And bare minimum content? Thank you, but no! Our community performs far better when our content creators, cc creators and modders are involved! This, in my humble view, shames Electronic Arts into the ground! You can't convince me otherwise because that is the only explanation for the Sims 4's continued existence. 😉 With much love to our community! 🥰😘
Sims 5 will be the same as all the previous sim releases. They will give us base game and then slowly release all the content in packs that should have been included in base game... example generations/growing together heck even pets. So then we all sink hundreds of dollars into the game and we still won't have everything we should by the time sims 6 is due to roll around. Rinse and repeat. Highly agree the Modders backs must hurt from carrying the game for so long! 😂
I'll never move in to Sims 5. Neverrrrrr😂
@candeezymarie9827 I have no doubt that this is going to be the "sad" reality in the end! Luckily our community can look finally forward to what the competitors will have in store for us. The Sims will have to step up their game if they want to continue to be on top! I'm truly curious to see what will happen. 🧐😉
EA DLC unlocker will be your friend...
You can get all the half ass they do without paying anything! The game is OK when you don't have to pay $1000 for everything. I only say ok because bugs and glitches are still rampent but at least ypu didnt pay to get unfinished/broken things.
Buying the packs at all is the problem - they still make a profit. They learn nothing, if people still make them profits on their broken products. Stop being part of the problem, and encouraging them, if you want something better. Money talks!
I agree with this person please for the love of god people remember EA is not a indi developer it ain't a AA studio is A MULTIMILLION COMPANY THAT CAN'T EVEN RELEASE SOMETHING IN A PLAYING STATE OR WITH SUBSTANCE
AMEN!
I've given up hope The Sims 4 will ever live up to the previous games legacy a long time ago, so far they have proven me right. I don't know how they managed to include so many packs and content yet the game is still the most boring out of them all. I don't have any hope the next installation in the series will be any better. It's just so disappointing and new fans will never understand. I pre-ordered The Sims 4 and I was so excited to welcome the game into my life but even from first play it felt empty and lifeless but I held hope that with new expansions and packs that it would alleviate the issues, almost a decade later and it feels the same.
The packs do get tested, but I heard some years ago that the number of playtesters had gone down a LOT between the earlier and latest packs, so it's possible that they're not getting nearly enough testing
It also doesn't matter if you have play testers if you then don't act on the reports. No way was EA unaware about the rent payment bug!
They aren't really though. You play test it with the base game only, which isn't a full test over.
I think it just comes down to they know they can get away with it because people will keep buying them regardless. I definitely don’t. This is the first iteration of this game where I don’t own every pack. I own maybe half and even of those I regret some.
I bought most of mine on sale but I regret almost every penny I've spent on the Sims 4
I salute your restraint. If you do want all the packs without supporting a bad company there is a pretty simple program called EA DLC unlocker... just sayin...
Pirating is okay, and encouraged when it comes to scummy business practices. You can own them all and not pay for any of them! No amount of complaints matter, if people reward the bad behavior. It's like being mad that your dog pooped on the floor, but you give them a treat anyways. Now they're just going to learn that it's okay! They get what they want!
right! everyone in these comments complaining because the pack sucks (valid) but at the same time... why did you buy it? we already knew about the bugs before it was released, we already know EA doesn't fix the bugs... why don't people wait before buying? I bought 2 packs on the black friday sale that have been out for over 2 years and that i watched many reviews about (and they weren't worth full prince but a quarter of the prince was fine!) Stop buying awful packs and they will stop making them...
I never bothered with The Sims 4 to begin with. Main reason being I didn’t have much money back in 2014, and I already had The Sims 3. As time went on, it became apparent with the barebones content and broken packs that I didn’t feel like involving myself with the game.
at this point, when it comes to pack reviews i can barely watch other content creators as many of them sweep things under the rug. it feels like this channel is seriously the only breath of fresh air around here
Dream home decorator is also still broken to this day!
EA gave us three EPs in 2012- Showtime, Seasons and Supernatural - but they all still managed to contain more content than a single Sims 4 pack ever could
I used to buy every sims pack, just because I wanted the whole collection, but now I hold off for the honest reviews (like yours) and if there's still one I want, I'll just wait until its on sale now 😂 like I probably still buy for rent, but I'm not paying full price for it when there's known issues. By the time it's on sale, hopefully they'll be patches and updates for it 😂
Same here! I feel like it's hard though. I want to play it now while everyone else is. But later I'll know if I truly want the pack, or if I just wanted to be a part of the community.
don’t even bother with buying the pack, just google anadius dlc, literally not a single pack in the sims 4 is worth the full price
Just pirate the game
@viddeliten yeah It'll probably go down in the easter sales or something, or if I get some extra money for Christmas, then I might get it then 😅
@isadora7286 I'm a console player so it's not really an option 😅
I personally don't know what they did that broke the snooping interaction even further. It worked somewhat fine in the preview, as shown by James Turner's video where he tried to steal as many of the Pancake household's items where he got caught and beaten the crap out of. For whatever reason, he could only steal things from the upper floor, but at least the owner didn't show up at the start of the "breaking in" event and sims would react accordingly... wtf
funny when leaks began, people were so optimistic that EA is finally heading in the right direction. now, idk
I really appreciate your honesty! We need more people like you reviewing the Sims packs, too many people get excited about the smaller meaningless features you're right 🥺I think I buy the packs because I get sucked into the hype as I've genuinely always loved the franchise but then I forget what they've actually done to the Sims 4 hahah, also I usually want some new build items etc but it's my own fault for not researching first and looking for in-depth reviews. I'm guilty of having quite a few expansion packs and not many of them have felt worth the money to me. I'll be more careful in the future before buying because I'm fed up with being disappointed. Also SNOOP is a useless feature 😭 I said it.
Again thank you for talking about this. My daughter and I agreed we should wait until they fix it to buy it. I’m not paying for something broken. Although I do find it hilarious that two of the bugs are landlords not getting paid rent and rent being $34B like no wonder they don’t pay.
In the past it was "small company make bad games and big one make good games"
Now its reverse
Welcome to modern age where you release now and fix later. Makes me miss a good old cd with the *final* game in it.
We can thank internet, shareholders and Fomo
It’s the same with apps why wouldn’t they apply rushing the process to videogames too…
And that is why i never buy packs when they just came out or pre order because there is always something wrong 🤦🏽♀️
To answer your question towards the end, I personally only buy packs that really interest me or for my current storytelling need. Like, I bought Growing Together because I do a lot of family gameplay.
The recent packs have definitely been pretty shallow and disappointing though. Especially the Horse Ranch pack, which I was super excited for because I love horses. However, that pack lacks so much gameplay. I loved getting to make horses in CAS, but I don’t think I’ve touched the gameplay in months after playing through one storyline.
I also have spent so much money on the Sims 4, especially because I originally had the game on my Xbox, so I had to repurchase the game and all of the packs on my pc when I switched to playing pc games.
This makes it even more frustrating to see the lack of care that the Sims team seems to have for this game.
As for other people, I do suspect that the “collection” mindset drives a lot of people to keep buying packs. I also think a lot of players are more casual players who aren’t involved in the online communities, so they genuinely don’t know about the controversies or that the packs are broken before they buy them. I also think a lot of younger people play this game and they may not do as much research before buying packs.
One of the worst problems with this pack besides the build mode is my tenants breaking the lease and moving out of nowhere, without a eeason, ruining my whole story. On top of everything you said, another pack that is completely broken for more than a year is the home decorator one, the career just doesn't work and I saw several people complaining about the issue with no answer from them.
Someone crying because of the no rent bug and I replied with "Why are you surprised? Lower your expectations" and they said "Why would I lower my expectations for something I pay for. What a weird thing to say".
And they told you the truth.
I mean technically. But like ask them back why you'd keep paying someone who consistently smothers your unyielding expectations.
edit: To elaborate, I meant stop paying them for subpar quality products in the first place.
I didn't mean to actually lower your expectations down to meet a game that works poorly or doesn't fulfill your needs.
In hindsight I feel like I'm taking a third position considering I'm not agreeing with either one..
I mean, I feel it's a matter of people wanting the Sims 4 to be great, and it's just... not. They keep buying packs in the hopes that it will improve their gameplay, but there are always bugs and glitches to deal with. Even without the glitches, the gameplay is so incredibly hollow to begin with compared to previous installs. When I played, I had more fun decorating, and in CAS then I did actually playing the game. Realized the problem and stopped giving my money away.
They are 100% right.
No one should accept subpar quality for something a company puts out at full price. Full price should mean full COMPLETE product. And the amount of mistakes, glitches and bugs people are "accepting" is just pathetic, 100% pathetic
@@Manas-co8wl"unyeilding expectations" is a game that works now?
I’ve moved on to Balders Gate where THAT company gives you hundreds of hours of gameplay AND only charges $60-70 plus gave a free update with even MORE gameplay. I won’t go back to sims until they stop doing this. I’ll buy this pack when it goes on sale. Pretty much done with EA.
Get well soon satch! 🥰
It’s like the hire coders right out of high school. How TF is every pack ALWAYS broken smh. It’s just lazy, greedy and them getting away with it. Just sad
Satch is back to form! Criticizing the failure of Sims 4.
hes a Debbie Downer and is too depressing to listen to. all he does is whine and moan and complain, its all so tiring.
It’s such a shame. I’m so disappointed about the secrets feature. This was the perfect way to incorporate the deep lore from the sims franchise, I wouldn’t have minded if they had taken their time with that, or kept updating it with each family or world as time went on
there is also lack of quality control. why is it that I see that to 'break in' is using a crowbar? like someone wouldn't hear that. and to be 'nosy' the sims pull out binoculars when less then 5 feet from the sim. it breaks any sense of feeling seamless.
Thank you for your words. Too many Sims content creators (often endorsed by EA go figure) just sing praise for the latest pack and don’t talk about how truly corrupt EA is for charging so much for so little. It makes me so, so angry. Been playing sims for over 20 years now and it’s really shameful what the game has become.
for rent was great when it was announced cause I guess we thought the apartment life system of SIms 2 was making a return and having apartments that arent fixed buildings and are anything you want is great, however they can-t justify the price if its broken incomplete and dumb, like the burglar feature was exciting to me i thought it would be like a career or you could steal stuff o money or idk, that the sims would react or you could maybe get in trouble. it feels like for rent should have been included in city living, as growing together should have been in parenthood, as horse ranch should have been in pets and as my first pet shit too
EA are basically shamelessly using their consumers who they overcharge as testers
thanks for the honest review! The last sim pack I bought was High School Years (which is a decision I regret), now I just keep up with the community to see if the quality improves but EA always disappoints.
As much as I love the sims, I would never spend a single dollar on a sims 4 pack ever again until EA does something with their issues. I just get it all for free from the internet, many people had told me that I should feel bad but, Why exactly? I don’t wanna get scammed on buying some extremely broken, boring and unplayable packs, I even stopped playing the game even though I started to collect expansions packs for free, because after two months I did literally everything I could :/ Ur completely right on everything, people should start to spend their money wisely, or at least get it for free if you can, don’t feel bad for it because this company has enough money to solve all the sims 4 problems, they just don’t want to. I remember that I used to buy the packs even though I could get em for free, because it’s cool to invest on something that makes u happy, and if by investing you are contributing on it improving, then is super satisfying, but at this point I don’t feel bad for downloading things for free. I came to the conclusion that many people still buy packs because they are getting logically bored of the game but don’t want to stop playing
the answer to the question in the beginning: it's shareholders. Games aren't just a product or art, it's a big big BIG business with stocks and investors waiting for their share of the money. Delaying a game too often or for too long can get the company sued by investors who put in a ton of money and are waiting for their return to come in once the game is released. At the same time, releasing a broken game and with the plan to fix it in post can get you sued by the public on the grounds of not giving what they said was being sold to them (Bethesda is currently being sued for this as it relates to Fallout 76).
So sometimes, if there's a ton of pressure coming in both directions, the company has to choose: risk the lawsuits with the public or with the shareholders. In the case of EA, they pretty much only care about money, so they're likely putting tight deadlines on an inexperienced, low-paid team working off of an absolute mess of spaghetti code that is the Base Game and promising their investors very quick, immediate returns once the pack is released in the short time frame that they set. As long as they don't outright lie about what's in the pack or can be proven that they intended to release something unfinished, any public lawsuits are less likely to go through.
This also isn't touching on the rest of the issues with the gaming industry: the treatment of workers and their wages (or lack thereof), the advancement of technology, training and retention of new employees in a gig economy, etc.
Thanks Satch, I like the way you discuss the packs. As to your question, my guess is that the Sims 4 is so utterly boring as to gameplay, people want to buy a new pack to have some extra gameplay. As it happens, I stopped playing the Sims 4 more than 2 years ago, now playing the Sims 2 which is so much more fun. For a moment I was considering to go back and buy this pack. Your video made me reconsider.
I don't buy anything Sims until I hear from you. If I wanna buy something from the past release I go back and look through your videos. I always wait for your reviews. You are always blunt and honest. I hope you feel better soon Sach.
I am so disappointed with the Sims Team, Horse Ranch was already just an upsold Gamepack, but For Rent wouldnt even be a fully fleshed out Gamepack!!! And they upsold it for n expansion pack that doesnt even work! Honestly I'm not sure, if I will buy any Pack since Horse Ranch and upcoming, this is honestly so disrespectful to their community!
People buy the packs and reluctantly ignore bugs because the base game is not a full game. The playability of the Sims 4 base game lasts maybe a couple of hours, once you've created a sim, built a house and used your phone for a bit, there's not much left to do.
Completely off-topic, but thank you Satch. You always put me on a better mood with your videos. Love your humor.
You got it right initially about how Game Development works with bugs. The testers list the bugs, the producers prioritize them. But during the fixing of these bugs, new bugs might be created, and eventually through this cycle you get less and less critical bugs. Not to mention that sometimes bugs might end up in changes in the game design, further feeding the cycle. The issue is that there are so many other departments that depend on the release of the game/update (like marketing, budget, etc) that you just can't push further the release so some bugs will end up not being fixed for the release and patched up later.
And with games as complex as The Sims, things complicate exponentially.
Well so far I got the base game for free, my second pet stuff for free, Cottage living and cats & dogs for half the price, and city living and seasons for only 40 % of the price. So when I buy a pack I am strongly influenced by the sale conditions and your recommendations. There are a few more packs I consider on buying, but I'm waiting for the next sale. I also wish to buy get to work and snowy escape, but only if they are like 80% off, I don't know if that ever happens.
I bought city living & another old expansion with 70% discount. 12€ 🤑🤑🤑 gorgeus! 😁
Honestly I don’t think it’s “being a Karen” or “snowflake” when you expect a game to actually be finished and not have that many bugs, literally all of the sims 4 packs have so many bugs that they don’t care about. I’m sick and tired of them being so careless to the people that appreciate and love the game. Especially of how much all of the packs are 😭
I had a sim move into a 185 per day apartment. At the end of the week, the rent and utility bill was 13 billion.
You can’t cheat that high, so it’s a constant thing now where the power is off / the repo people come.
I couldn’t move, so I bought the building to move out as a rental property, but I still can’t turn on the lights anywhere I move because of the 13 billion debt
So. Like. It’s not playable in its current state.
Sorry, I thought someone else made a typo when they said 34 billion in debt. But you guys are really getting that? That's bananas! It'd be funny if you didn't have to pay for the pack.
@@202cardlineyeah! Billion! I couldn’t believe it. I can’t proceed with that particular game at all. I hope they patch it soon
Idk something about not being able to afford rent while working 2 jobs and a multi billion dollar cash grabbing company releasing a for rent expansion rubs me the wrong way.
I personally buy packs and expansions based on price and what gameplay matters to me (mainly careers, worlds, gameplay that adds interaction and new dynamics) since I am more of a generations simmer. Since I'm also a student, I tend to be picky about what DLC I pay for. Therefore, I have some like seasons, parenthood, realm of magic, get together, cottage lviving, sppoky stuff, moschino stuff, and a couple of other ones. I dont play a lot, so I haven't invested in as much DLC as I want. But i feel that they could have made multiple DLCs into one, & perfected them, making it so they dont have release content as often and actually take time to make quality DLC
For rent & City living could have been one
Parenthood & Get Together could have been one
Vampires & Warewolves & Paranormal & Spooky suff could have been one
You have such an iconic laugh that you could honestly just copy paste it into your videos while you are sick. Hope you have some good tea, ginger and honey.
I pírate the game and even I feel that it is too much of a hassle to re-download 40GB for such little additions. I wait for like 4-5 packs to come out before I reinstall the new stuff😊
Same, because it's ridiculous to spend so much money on trash DLCs that had to be a base game update and broken shallow packs.
if you didint know there's a dlc unlocker and rather than re-download everything the unlocker just download and unlocked the dlc only :D
@@elvierasandra no because of the base game updates, dlcs can’t be copied by themselves, it crashes. You have to get the whole thing with the latest patches
@@nnex6564 i think we have different approach of pirating bcs i have some app that allows me to just update the game and download the dlcs then just unlocked it
I LOVE that you're so honest with all your opinions!! it's so refreshing
Personally I only buy pack when they have discounts on them and it has to be one I really want. I've been slowly getting the packs with occult Sims cause I find them more interesting and generally just fit the vibes I like more. Other than that I mostly just get new pack if they have good furniture, bonus is the case is good. I mostly just build things and make households for my builds, so I get new packs for additional options when I start to feel bored and uninspired with the content I own (when I actually have any money to spend that is)
Hope you feel better soon Satch, sending you a virtual get better hug
Thank you Satch for this honest review. I haven't updated or purchased the For Rent Pack because I felt the reviews I've seen was leaving out vital info i.e what's wrong with the pack. I can't thank you enough. And you're never being a Karen, you're just keeping it 💯... Stay Real😊
I haven't bought a sims 4 dlc in ages. These days, I just watch reviews from ppl who DIDNT get early access and hard pass
Sims fans crack me up. Y'all keep buying the packs (not including people who review them for TH-cam content), so EA has no incentive to be better. It's literally insane how people give them money for trash and get surprised Pikachu face when the pack is an inevitable buggy mess.
I get it. I've loved this series since 2000. But I haven't bought Sims 4 packs in YEARS. They just aren't good, and why waste my time and money?
"Do you have an addiction?" Had me in tears 😭
Satch - for me, the main reason that I have all of the packs is so that i don't have to be concerned that I'm missing any content if I download lots or households from the gallery. Usually, I can find enough redeeming gameplay to justify the purchase (when combined with the new items of the pack), but For Rent is really, really lacking. The new items aren't enough to make this one worth it. At this point, the only gameplay that I am using from this pack is from the rice cooker. That's truly lame. I gave up on the rental aspects of this game entirely. Your rant is truly justified.
My EA app literally never works. When I see an update I don’t even feel excited because I just know it’ll take forever to download and there’ll be loads of crashes
I purchased this pack because I love building and really enjoyed the build buy reviews I saw. I won't be using the landlord gameplay often but will be living in apartments, I just wanted to be able to make them myself and I couldn't wait for a sale 😂 So maybe it's a bit of an addiction, I admit I should have just waited, but I'm enjoying the pack anyway.
It's morally correct to pirate all ea games.
I haven't spent any money starting "get to work".
also can we talk for a second about how you can only buy minimum of 20 dollar cards for ea and sims games, but each game is 19.99 with a dollar of tax SO YOU CAN"T BUY THE GAME WITH THE MONEY YOU PUT ON YOUR ACCOUNT WITHOUT SPENDING ANOTHER 20 DOLLARS
Satch, I am so obsessed with you. If only some of the other Sims creators had the honesty you do!
In terms of why I buy Sims 4 expansions, I only get the ones that are able to be fleshed out with mods.
Please don't feel like you have to apologise for your sickness, Satch. Your content is gold, but take your time and rest!
It's because the Shareholders are more important when it comes to "getting your monies worth" than the consumers.
Been hitting the gym now for 1 month without slacking off, satchie keeping me company while I work out. 😂❤
12:42 you answered your own question. I tried a rental in willow creek. I tried to buy it I moved the owners in and out. I bulldozed the lot but the plain grass y lot thats left still comes up as a rental.
I got so disappointed by the ranch pack that I actually dont want to buy packs at all anymore. I got bored after a day of playing.
Maybe i’ll by future packs at 50% off or something but even then it’s expensive.
It’s so crazy how you can buy complete full games with hundreds of hours of gameplay for the same price as one soulless pack on sims.
I truly hope you feel better. You are one of my favs. I don't comment much, but I do hope everyone will get better.
Maybe older players notice the current state of the series, but I don't think younger players know they're basically paying to be playtesters
Imagine how fucked up the packs were when the play testers had their first go around with it.
As someone who is in Tech and also has a basic understanding of game design. ALL IT WOULD TAKE IS A FEW EXTRA LINES OF CODE in order to implement the neighbors actually caring about snooping.
i bought the for rent pack, got charged twice and opened a ticket. they emailed me basically saying they need to confirm my identity to prove that i’m the TRUE owner of the account to move forward with the case. this was after i was unable to download the expansion pack for hours due to the servers being down on the EA app.
back when the sims 4 was released, i bought every expansion pack. by the time cats & dogs came out, i realized how hollow the game was even with the expansions and i stopped buying them. now there are way too many packs at such high prices (for nothing) that i know for certain i won't have all the new content, and i'm honestly fine with that. unless ea goes back and does refreshes and has sales, i will not purchase the majority of the packs. it's just not worth it + i refuse to give ea any of my money out of spite & hatred for the corporation.
I keep buying packs bc I get so bored I do anything for more gameplay bc I want to relive the sims 3 days. That’s my reason. I’m not exactly proud of that either