Sail Life - Heading back to Denmark & painting the engine compartment - DIY boat refit
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- It's time to fly back to Denmark and finish painting the engine compartment. Soon the new diesel tank and the engine will be able to go back in. Yay! :D
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Christian Willams is awesome! Salty old sailor who waxes poetic about sailing and the meaning life and all that good stuff.
Made, I'm afraid I often forget to leave a like but know that since I found you I've watched every video you've posted and I always like it! Bravo to you for following your dream.
Insulation on the bottom = bad idea, it will be an oil/diesel/dirt trap!
On the sides and bottom of the cockpit sole, hell yes! Absolutely put it there!
I have been through the same so many times. I know that you are long over this time, but my wife and I have been seperated time and time again. Her in Germany, me in the US usually. It is so soul robbing. I feel you at this time. All the best. looking forward to making it to the current time of your videos, but also very happy that I have so many episodes before then! I just bought, yet another boat, here in Miami. That is what brought me to you channel, as we need to refurbish our 1969 Morgan. Thank you so much for all of your content. and you have a new Patreon!
I would definitely sound insulate your engine. The quieter, the happier anyone downstairs will be. And, maybe at some point you might want to do filming while on-the-go for your TH-cam channel.
Yes, could not agree more.
DynaMat. The custom automotive crowd swears by it.
Yep, DynaMat is a serious piece, but there's another one that also offers fire protection...can't remember the name, Igni something.
Personally, I think Dynamat is unsuited here it's to light. It works as a resonance dampener by adding weight to automotive panels. In thick relatively heavy walls like the engine compartment there is little to gain.
If you want the same effect on a heavy wall I'd say moisture resistant fireproof drywall hung with epoxy would be much better.
Sound insulate every surface and baffle openings as well. Weather strip all hatches and gaps. I think the only ventilation should be the ducting to the outside. This way a fire suppression system will work quickly. I’ve done it and I can carry on a conversation while in the cockpit with someone below. The off shift person will really appreciate it while on long motors.
Welcome back! I missed my weekly fix of OCD perfection, but I'm glad you and Ava had a good visit.
I've switched to a D2-40 this spring, and I agree it's quiet right out of the box. But I'm very happy I got really good insulation when installing it. It's such a joy to have a quiet engine! :)
The matter of sound insulation falls in the category of "More Is Better". After 24 hours of motoring on a calm day and you will be extremely happy you added more.
Great to have you back...
Whatever engine insulation you get, and you should, make sure it's fireproof. You need every moment you can have to escape in case of a fire, where you're down below. Also, automated fire suppression is a must. Personally, after some years now with such systems installed in my cars, i strongly advocate for them near all engines. You only need them once, to safeguard your investment and more importantly, life.
Athena is coming along beautifully keep up the good work.
Hey good to have you back and insulate the sides plus the companionway Door for certain
This is the first video I'm watching aboard my recently purchased (40 year old!) sailboat! so stoked to get my teeth in to some fun DIY weekends ;). engine bay is looking good, Go big on sound insulation! 🤙
There is no such thing as too much sound insulation. Add as much as you think you can fit, then add more.
Tim Pierce I think the number of likes here says it all. What is the number one reason people hate to run the engine?
@@GeorgeIvanPare because sailing is better...
Absolutely. More sound insulation is better. Engine noise sucks. There is a reason Northern Lights generators are so popular. They are quiet.
Mads,
Good to have you back, but would like to see more of Ava too. Hope you had a good time in LA. Thank you for all of your great video work.
Two Big Macs and a large French fry, please. Nice headset.
Just poking fun. Love the vids, keep up the good work.
Man what a great day!!!! Mads video, Boatworks today video and one of my new fave's Sailing Majic Carpet......its like a Utube sailing video overdose........wheeeeee!
Love your programs...I would suggest using the as it was put in by the manufacturers... Once you get the engine in place and than feel you need insulation it would be a major task to put it in at that point. I have had 13 plus boats over my 50 years of sailing and have found that it is better to over build / upgrade systems when things a apart rather than second guessing yourself and being sorry in the end. I sail on Lake Michigan in a 1988 Catalina 36. I have reworked all systems, electrical AC/DC/Engine etc. GREAT SHOWS.
Mate I sooo admire your dicipline, your tenacity and constance... Is truly amazing, you are very inspiring, thanks so much for creating such good content!
Never too much sound insulation.
Good stuff! Glad your US trip went well. Alone together is a really good book.
Never to much insulation Mads, even add to the top of the engine compartment! Love what your doing, keep it up!
What a great show Mads! Missed you last week. Sunday=Sail Life.
great video Mads. Don’t be sad you will be so busy working on the future home for you and Ava that time will fly by and you’ll be back in LA before you know it.🤗
“Manly cry” lol love your channel and I hope it works out with you guys!
Sound, - and fire insulation on both sides and top + stairway - - - hope 1 day you wont need it - great your back - understand your feelings leaving LA - see you later Mads
Welcome back to Athena! Go with the sound insulation and it will also keep some of the heat in the engine compartment instead of in the boat.
I'm definitely with those that favor more insulation. Top, sides and the engine room access/cover. Your ears will appreciate it, and you won't have to wear that headset when you're motoring. : )
The reason to start with the smallest patch first is that you have multiple points of contact with the hull. Starting with the large patch first means that all subsequent layers are bonded only to the first one. Certainly not critical in this non structural layup, but a good practice in general.
Our coastguard (Texas) has asked all boaters that have experienced interference from LED lighting to report their findings. It has been published in a local newspaper “The Island Moon”. I, for one, concur that LED lighting is extremely troublesome for myself and a few others that I have spoken with.
That said, good luck! If you have interference they suggest that you shut down all LED lighting to make your radio calls.
Doo-hickeys, doo-dads, and pokey-bitts. SO glad to tune in for all these technical terms. . . . it's just SPIFFY. . . .!! :-)
I think how you got the boat, that was the mid-80`s sound isolating standard. I suggest to put as much sound isolation as you can, everywhere in the engine compartment, plus any-resonance insulation under the engine and to all hatches to the engine compartment.
Reflect a wave or absorb it, the bottom would help with low frequency to neighbor cabin, the reflect on the bottom reduces total waves available to smack the top or side....more is better. Isolate the motors or engine with rubber mounts. Mylar is excellent for reflecting energy, like heat. So I would go dynomat, with a closed cell foamy type (probably with aluminum foil on both sides), would use silicon for the adhesive, then finish with mylar, reflecting the energy loads so your foam insulation doesn't degrade from heat (& leaving you more comfy). This last part would let you vent that compartment perhaps with a motor on a thermostat
Yes it's cold and dark here... Welcome to Denmark :)
Another great episode and yes I would always sound proof an engine compartment
Great to see you back Mads. Would you consider putting a bit of liquid insulation on the exposed solder on the back of the lights? It will help to prevent salty sea air corrosion.
Defo soundproof as much as you can , its only going to make your life on board nicer ,especially for the person of watch if your having to motor .
Unless there is a cost or space or other reason, I would recommend the best and as much insulation as you can. You (or Eva) will probably never complain that the engine is too quiet. The peaceful quiet solitude is one of the nice things about sailing - even if your motoring :-P It will be so nice having multiple lights in the engine compartment because you can really minimize the large sections in shadow from a single beautiful light. Finally, you have me trying to figure out how you can move Athena to LA to finish her there and not be separated from Eva so often. I realize the impracticality, but...
Good call on the multiple lights, there is nothing worse than working on the dark side of the engine when you only have one light
Welcome back Mads :-)!
I am also listening to that same Christian WIlliams Book as well!! It is like sailing, but in your head. haha
Don't forget to isolate vibration along with sound insulation, dampening all those rattles and other components will save your sanity.
looks great. I would install as much sound insulation as possible. It helps a lot! :)
As much sound insulation as you can manage, its especially important on the bulkheads sides and front of the engine compartment as the comparatively thin ply wood will resonate to the thumping of a diesel. So the insulation will damp resonation and also take out airborne noise.
But what's even more important is NO AIR GAPS! Seriously, you need rubber or foam seals on any removable part like the companionway steps, and some kind of baffle on the air inlet. Glands on wires, or even better pass through studs. Its amazing how much noise the smallest gap will let through.
Amazing! Even jetlagged you can outwork me.
I’m going to agree with the there is never too much sound insulation. If you are going to cruise in this with a certain young lady, it’s really terribly noisy when you are trying to sleep while motoring. Combine that with 2-3 hour sleeps for several days and you have someone you care about......well let’s just say people get a little touchy. You will never have “enough” insulation but try to get as much as you can.
Definitely apply sound insulation on the sides and top of your engine bay. Don’t forget to also put it on the reverse side of the access hatch/companionway stairs, and if you can fit a decent seal strip around the hatch on the contact surfaces, as it will mitigate the vibration and damped noise transfer even further.
My rule with sound insulation is guess how much you need, then double it. I would also put it on the back of the companion way steps as well as the sides. Leave it off the sole though. If you have a problem with the engine, sound is often the first clue.
Learned one thing from my Master's in Acoustics: The mass(weight) of the sound insulation are proportional to the dampening of the sound through the medium. Practically: Double the weight, double the dampening factor. The thin and heavy flexible insulation(butyl?) with glue on one side and aluminum on the other is therefore great for not letting noise through.
Another thing: think that, since the newer models of Volvo Penta has CAN bus, the adapter you have may really just be optical insulators transferring signals between the NMEA2K and CAN bus. Ensuring that nothing interferes with the engine. Correct me if I'm wrong :) (?)
Insulation is a very good idea.
I agree with Tim below. You can't have too much insulation. I would put it on the sole of the cockpit to keep engine noise to a minimum when motoring. Look good all painted. John
Great to see the next edition. I also would insulate the cockpit sole and the back of the steps provided it doesn’t interfere with the airflow to the engine.
Welcome back, you have been missed but I know that your trip here to the US was of paramount importance to you, while you were demonstrating your new spiffy ear do dads in the selection I noticed a link to a great book, HMS Ulysses, not your cup of tea I hear you say, but I highly recommend reading or listening to this novel.
Mads, your attention to detail always amazes me. You are a great example to any DIY folks watching. Thanks for your videos.
Very excited about having listened to (Pinker) or read (Williams) both of the books you mentioned! Good picks, both of them!
You're a joy to watch. Thank you!
Welcome back not the same without a Sail Life Sunday. As for insulation well you have the compartment all apart and it will not get any easier than now. If you don't insulate it and it to noisy it makes it really hard to retro fit it in after the fact. Also put insulation on the cockpit sole also. If someone sleeping in a berth in the back and someone goes out on deck the noise is horrible and some insulation will only help.
Spray on LizardSkin sound deadening and heat control - best ever for engine compartments... And I would do the bottom, hard glossy surface reflects sound too...
Sound insulation is a must! The sides, top, the front and behind the stairs for sure.
If a little soundproofing is good......a lot more is better. Use something like Hush cloth. It has a hard plastic or lead layer to dampen vibration
You can Always put on your new headphones if you do not want to hear the engine ;-)
Sound isolation is quite something and will only be realy effective if there are no leaks.
Guess that will be hardly possible so accept some noise. And it is always good to hear the engine humming in the background as you will be able to hear a difference in noise when something goed wrong downthere.
HMS Ulysses on the playlist. Nice! I read that one many years ago and its worth a re-read. Love Alistair MacLean novels.
Looks great mads! You can add a dimmer to those lights by adding a small pulse width modulator. They arent expensive and would offer a bit dimmer option when working with your eyes adjusted for night vision.
If ya need a schematic to wire it up, i could help. But youre pretty sharp and they arent difficult to figure out.
Welcome back ,yes insulate the sides ,consider your air intake and exhaust and your going to love the engine monitor system
For insulation I suggest a layer of dynamat on all the sides and the top. Then add a thicker layer of some sort of fiber sandwiched between aluminum foil over the dynamat.
As others say, time for some serious sound proofing now.
What comes to the NMEA2000 gateway and the D2-40, I don't think you can get much more information out of that engine, than what you already have in the old original display. The D2-40 doesn't share the same sensors with the bigger engines.
Unless you have extra sensors fitted, you will only have: Engine RPM, engine hours, alternator voltage, coolant temperature.
But anyhow pretty decent prize on that gateway compared with the original Volvo Penta model!
The reason for the small 'Patch' first is so each succeeding layer has a grip on the hull rather than all layers adhering to the first.If the first layer has some sort of chemical failure the whole patch fails...of course with 'feel better' repairs like this it doesn't matter...so why did I bother...to much coffee :)
The more sound damp. you put the more you will enjoy your time motoring
I love you, so glad you found Eva. What an amazing find.
I have a thought about your sound installation, from just a noise point it may be a good idea to also do the cockpit soul for sound and I might add heat coming through the soul, since still plan to vlog it will help your audio once your on the water. Just a 2 cent thought.
more sound insulation is a good thing, always
cheers
See You
Regarding lighting, I've thought how nice it would be to have LED strips along all the edges of the engine compartment - where the sides meet top & bottom, and around the door. A full, diffuse light box, in other words. Perfect with your white paint!
Great yammering on Mads!
OMG. You are on the 405. That 17 hour trip home is easy in comparison.
I'm really glad you found Christian Williams. He has a great channel, and I really enjoyed reading his two books. He writes the same way he speaks and I felt like I could really hear his voice. The audio book should be great listening!
Those ear protection muffs are awesome....I own a pair of Howard Leight by Honeywell Sync AM/FM/MP3 been using for 3 years work great, good radio reception way better than the 3m ones they replaced. Now I want these with Bluetooth although would be nice if they offered a model without the microphone boom.
If you do the top, you will need battons. Sound insulation with a thin led centre works well.
For mixing cups go to a restaurant supply store and buy a sleeve or box of one quart deli containers.....perfect
Mads I'd sound proof as much as practically possible. You'll never regret it. BTW, your meticulous attention to detail is inspiring, but what will you do if you and Eva ever decide to part with Athena and move on to something bigger?
I would be looking at sound and thermal insulation on any surface possible. The less migration of high temps and harmonics is always a good thing.
Man... it’s good to have you back.
I would suggest putting some dampening or anti vibration items right between the motor mounts and the boat mount. Vibration is the biggest source of noise and you would be amazed what these pucks will do for sound deadening. There are different products out there, trý McMaster Carr.
First comment on TH-cam ever. I really enjoy your Chanel, I’ve caught up on most of your cannel. I have to say I prefer the Makita sanders and vacuum. But that’s ok. I understand Bosch is king in E.U. I have a 1974 Bruno Stillman down east Lobster boat and I have to tell you I have done some serious and glorious grinding and sanding. If your ever in the Boston, Ma area let me know.
I'm sure everyone is right to encourage you to install as much sound proofing as possible. What I wonder will that lead to a problem with dissipating heat from the engine compartment.
Congrats for your courage and ownership of your feelings. Leaving the loved one behind is never easy but as you said... 35 days will be over soon. Good to see you back at work. Stay strong.
Sound insulate for sure. Long stretches of motoring in peace would be wonderful.
That line on the bottom coat is SUPER sharp. Everytime you do an external shot of Athena I feel a twinge of envy. :)
I'm from Brazil, what you do is incredible. THANK YOU VERY MUCH! #WESTSYSTEMINBRASIL
I would Insulate everything you dare. also i would use something from the Dynamat family . Like the first layer if Dynamat SuperLite to quite it down and then Dynaliner to make it even quieter and keep the heat where you want it. And i would do 3 sides with it.
What about Dynamat extreme?
Yes to sound insulation. Make sure its fire retardant. It will look very spiffy indeed.
...Sail Live is 10/10 for the highly technical terminology "no more pokey bits"...I jest, i still love the channel, Mads, you're doing great work, keep it up!
Wow, 35 years ago I read my first novel, Golden Gate from Alistair MacLean... Then I switched to the genial Tom Clancy. Thanks for the memory Mads!!!!!
Glad your back missed you!
Insulation throughout the surfaces that resonate to the interior of the boat and that would be it for me. The newer 4 cylinder Volvo Penta drives have a velvet resonance quality that I for one rather enjoy hearing.
What happened to your silicone heating mat? You can stick it to the outside of the hull where your going to glass it and heat it up
love the look off the clean white engine compartment! anyway, you mentioned not having a good way to heat your epoxy...I've had really good luck using a cheap 100 watt construction light set close to the epoxy and hardener an hour or so before I start working, just an idea
Strong work again
Glad to see you back, Mads. Thankfully you got home before those fires erupted in southern cali. Hope Ava is safe from all the smoke etc, wouldnt want anything to happen to her!
Happy to see you back on the boat. It's hard to leave the woman you love. Your an awesome couple
Definitely do a proper sound insulation. The problem may be that the sound will come through all the tiny holes as well. So the compartment really should be airtight as well to really make it soundproof - and in that case there may be problems with ventilation. How to deal with that...? I would definitely add some very heavy insulation mat and lighter sound absorption material over that. The heavyweight stuff reduces the resonance and light foamy material absorbs the sound itself. This would be interesting video subject itself.
At the unavoidable ventilation ducts, you can use standard noise dampeners for - tadaa - air ducts.
I’m on board with the “there is no such thing as too much sound insulation” especially if you have to motor for hours... Noise travels thru any air gaps!
Also why did you not paint the top or the inside of where the drive goes? I would think it is wise to seal and keep those areas clean?
Love the extra lights and hopefully you paint/seal the insulation white to keep the engine room bright?
Always love your vids! Check out dynamat?! Or similar products