Failed Guinea Pig Introduction
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ย. 2024
- We got a new guinea pig and it absolutely didn't work out. We decided to stop the introduction as it got too intense. The guinea pigs didn't get along and so it was best to stop the bonding process. The guinea pig went back to the rescue and got adopted :)
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- How old are your guinea pigs?
Sylvester is 6, Minnie is 2, Lulu is 2, Gatsby is almost 1 and Nugget is 6 months
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- Don't they jump over the little gate?
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Hi, the introduction unfortunately didn't work out and so the guinea pig was adopted by the woman who runs the rescue into her own herd :)
So you don’t have the guinea anymore?
SOO CUTE AND FLUFFY!! and im soooo sorry about max my friend he lived an AWESOME life in your care!!
Aww but he is still adorable
Aw at least that piggie has a save home, I wish you all the best x
@@JustJoshIsUnavailable yep they don't
His color is stunning
Yes
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Its a roan Guniea pig
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“we kinda lost gatsby”
don’t scare me like that!!!
Same. My heart skipped.
i know
IKR
Same XD Too soon, Julia! :D :D
ikr I got so scared when she said that
What i liked about Max and Sylvester was that they did'nt do anything unless they had to correct the other pigs. This piggie right away started chasing and jumping on the girls without much reason. He seemed insecure. The introduction for Max was amazing! He was really calm and friendly.
One thing i reacted right away to was that the new pig turned away from Lumi when he was put in the cage and she greeted him. Compare that to Max who at the start greeted Lulu and then greeted everyone else in a calm manor. He did'nt even flinch when the girls made jerky movements. He even stepped away when he saw that Lumi was nervous.
yea all piggies have such different temperaments, they're like little people haha! and max was such a gentle giant :'( I'll love and miss him forever
i thought he wanted to mate with them since he is trying to climb their backs 😂
Yeah, the new pig was a bit high strung. Nugget initially was making a few attempts to have a friendly greeting, but he kept just doing big displays. Lumi tried her best to be unthreatening and out of the way, he kept being pushy anyway. An altercation with Gatsby is probably inevitable, maybe Lulu will be a little resistant too, but being harsh with Nugget and Lumi is pretty unnecessary. He did seem insecure, maybe because he was smaller and young, or because it was a larger herd? He definitely was super cute when he actually laid down and relaxed though. I'm glad that he got a home that was a better fit for him.
I liked how chill and friendly Max was too; he didn't really do big displays. Confident and polite, greeted everyone nicely, but stood firm when Gatsby challenged him, and even then he still stayed pretty chill and ever ready to be friendly. I remember Julia teasing him, 'you have no natural enemies, do you, Max?' since he was just always so at ease. Sylvester was also really chill, didn't feel much need to assert himself, but he was boss without needing to make a fuss about it.
@@Bluepenguin28 No it's a sign of dominance it's all even more used with Guinea pigs of the same sex
You can see gatsby get progressively more and more pissed off throughout the episode.
She does have spunk. Takes little guff. I think Julia may be right... I think Gatsby gets comfortable with the herd, and doesn't like change. It broke my heart she got bit. :(
You got that right!
Lol
EXALTLY... SHE SHOUDN'D HAVE BEEN INJURED PERIOD...
I have a question. How do I know if my only 2 piggies need to be separated? Recently, Mario had an ouchie on his ear. Not sure how it got there but he and Luigi have been seeming rather on edge recently. Any suggestions?
Oh dear, I’m very sorry the introduction didn’t go as planned! The guinea pig was very adorable, though.
Aww he was so cute I’m sad now that he didn’t get along with the other pigs :(
Same here. He was adorable. Too bad it was not a good match. Happy he did find a forever home w/ a herd.
@@dragonflysteampunk4266 I agree.
Yeah he has the prettiest colors I've ever seen
@@lunar-_-moon that’s true I loved his colors
@@dragonflysteampunk4266 I hope he gets along with the new herd if not he will need to be alone
Honestly, Gatsby at the start was the definition of a guinea pig.
- adorable🥰
- normal mindset "i cannot see u, u cannot see me"
LOL cute
😍
Poor Lumi; first she had to deal with the new pig trying to jump her, *then* she had to deal with her friend Gatsby attacking her.
I know.
@Rajib Chowdhury How did this make you laugh you seem like the type of person who would climb over a glass wall to see the view
:(
@Sreyashi and Rajib Chowdhury What’s the point in being so rude? The original comment was about how Lumi can’t have been happy at all, and you laughed at it. Doesn’t seem like you have many morals, kid.
@Sreyashi and Rajib Chowdhury 😦get some help
Thank you for showing a failed introduction! Sometimes pigs just aren’t meant to be in a herd together, and it’s so important for people to know that it’s okay if it doesn’t work out!
Lumi's eyes just staring blankly as she sits so still while chaos ensues around her. She is like all of ya'll are too much, I'm disconnecting from reality, bye.
Same, tbh.
Lu lu - kills me. She is a pro at the bucking Bronco kick and “don’t even try it” vibe. Poor loom: she’s like the innocent, unlucky, new kid at school - the one that gets caught in the middle of others fighting - and gets beat up by proxy.
LMBO. I know right. I call it the Donkey kick. She's a pro!
I find it interesting that none of the girls accepted the “handshake” as saskia says it, from him even the lowest pigs in the herd were like “nah I’m more dominant than you.”
abys are usually very curious and mischievous, very prone to being the bottom pig
Could you explain what the "handshake" is?
@@krishtoffer. Humping. Male guinea pigs use it not only for breeding but dominance so for instance almost always when you are introducing a male guinea pig to any gender they will hump to get the herd order established.
Im so sad that maximus died, it only seems like yesterday ehen he joined the heard, i feal like he lasted us the shortest amount of time. But the new piggie is so cute, it is like a mix of pebbles and sylvester
And maybe a hint of Gatsby
I want to say Wilma lasted the same amount or shorter compared to max😔
Your piggies inspired me to adopt two piggies from the local Humane society. They have been great at keeping me company during covid and I couldn't ask for better pets
🙂🙂🙂
So glad you got two! They have such a better life in pairs :)
Good to see more piggies getting forever homes.
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Same
@@charlottehenry4501 Trifecta!!
yass good one bro
@@rishitapushkarna6896 thx m8
I'm sorry it didn't work out. He is gorgeous!
Who else just started watching this channel, and now it's a every day thing
I’m glad that the girls didn’t take any crap from this guinea pig. He was so pushy, and I like that they pushed back! More people should be like these guinea pigs!!
It is possible to introduce guinneapigs even when they are aggressive, but it takes time, patience and thick gloves. It can be the new pig OR one from the flock that gets aggressive, the moment they start to strut and challenge, you remove it (thus you need the gloves, things can get heated) and immediately put it in a carrier to settle down.
This can take from a couple of minutes, up to 15. As soon as all guinneapigs are calm again, put the "excited" one to introduction again. All guinneapigs want to be part of a flock, so getting separated is a big loss for them.
The first minutes thereafter, all guinneapigs have a calm energy, but the strutting and challenging will happen again, several times, each time the agressive guinneapig will need to be removed to settle down. They can not become one in the flock when they are stressed out anyways, so this is kinder for all, for them to settle down.
In my case it was one of the existing females that was overly agressive towards two new females, and introduction had failed several times, ending up in separate cages for weeks. When using the method of only letting the agressive guinneapig into the flock when she had settled down, made a successful introduction in about 4 hours. There were some minor scuffles after, but no flying fur.
I'm glad that the girls werent harmed that much.
He made the big mistake to stand between Gatsby and her food.
Nugget looking over the gate is really adorable 😍
‘Maybe Gatsby just doesn’t like change’
Same Gatsby, same haha 😂 I felt bad for the other 3 girls, they just wanted to chill and not have any drama lol.
Yeah. Lulu was annoyed.
Nugget was ready to meet him!
Not Sure. Just a chilled pig.
I loved how Lumi reacted - she just ignored him and he left her alone, pretty much. Sorry he didn't work out. His coloring is really quite striking.
Thank you for showing the failed introduction, i have two piggies that im introducing and was scared theyre behavior meant they did not get along but after watching this video and another one on dominance i think my piggies will be just fine! Ive never owned guinea pigs before so this was a very good video to learn from!
I pretty much stopped watching when Sylvester died because I loved the original herd, but I decided to watch this video to see if Gatsby and Nugget were still around. Now that I see they are I'm gonna start watching again
The og herd is honestly what taught me how to take care of my piggies
I started watching shortly before Sylvester died, then more regularly right after Max joined. I haven't been able to watch the Goodbye Max video and this is the first one I've been able to pull up without crying since.
I got a free guinea pig from the pet store. He fought with every other pig, but was lonely he had no friends. Then, when I brought him home, he got along with mine fine.
As hard as this was for you and the herd thank you for showing that introductions don't always work out. That's why it's so important to go to a rescue and do things properly. You don't shy away from honesty in your videos and I really appreciate that. The right pig for the herd will be out there somewhere and hopefully you don't have to wait too long for him.
He's beautiful. His coloring is fabulous, and he has four black feet which look so cute when he is running around. With his little black face he reminds me of a fuzzy caterpillar, and the little spot of white looks like he got into the cream. His eyes are so big : D The way he is chasing after the ladies, are you sure he's been neutered?
Aaww : (
Neutering unfortunately doesn't stop that behaviour in a guinea pig.
@@Graid that sucks.
He does look like a fuzzy caterpillar! Very unique and beautiful coloring. Perhaps he’s so beautiful he thought all the ladies would enjoy his “attentions” at their first meeting. Ha ha, poor little Romeo. They were not having his shenanigans.
Humping isn't only a mating behavior in piggies, its also a behavior to display dominance and almost always happens when introducing piggies regardless of gender. The way this guinea pig was doing it was rather aggressive and excessive though.
I named my new Guinea pig Maximus
Rest in Peace we all loved you
Wow he is really cute! I love abbys soooo much, shame it didn’t work out for you.
I'm a big fan of you so I'm the first to like ur comment :3
I do too! We have one and her fur swirls are fantastic!
That's all I have is Abbys
Happened by accident lol 5 pigs quickly turned to 10 with 1 misgender
6 abbys
2 fluffy afro piggy
1 longhaired
1 unknown
OMG IM A BIG FAN OF YOU!!
Ikr
It’s wild how completely different his energy was from what I remember Max’s being when he first showed up.
Gatsby is a Queen. but why is this guinea pig you almost adopted SO CUTE, I CAN'T
Oh, that was nerve-wracking to watch! I'm glad you made the decision that you did instead of stressing out the girls anymore! Poor Lumi! She was trying to make herself invisible!
He just wast fixed. She could have just fixed him.
@@proudguardofwhiterun5770 he was totally neutered. She would not have introduced an unneutered boy to the girls... or they would all be pregnant. Neutering male guinea pigs doesn't change their behavior, it only prevents them from having babies.
Mine are girls. Even if they are together for a long time, they still fight some times. Every guinea pig will do that.
Sorry for your loss of max hope he rests in peace
He didn't die. He just didn't get along with the other pigs
@@nuckfigg3r max did die
@@nuckfigg3r this is a different guinea pig
@@nuckfigg3r They aren't talking about the piggy in this video, she is talking about Maximus
Poor boy, hes so adorable! How could the girls NOT like him?!?
So many changes to your herd in the last few months, both sad and happy 🧡
That guinea pigs coat is absolutely gorgeous it's so
multicolored.🎀
A tie-dye guinea pig👍😄
Oh no poor new pig! But the new piggy is adorable!! He reminds me of a campfire with the different color fur
Bummer. I liked that piggie. At least he found a good home. It's too bad that it didn't work out with your little herd.
Gatsby says “I’m comfortable. Stop.”
Unfortunally not every piggie fits in every herd. Im happy he got adopted, though.
I hope you find a suitable boar for your herd soon ^^
Thank you as always for showing the realities of having piggies. So happy he got a new home where he’ll be treasured.
The roan Abby boar was adorable so sad it didn’t work out but these thing happen
Glad he’s found a new home
You need a very mellow boar to balance out all those strong sow personalities 🤣🤣
I adopted two more guinea pigs for my current guinea pig and they have been talking to each other. I love them so much
Gatsby was crazy! She just wanted back in her little enclosure. So did the rest after the whole introduction.
Oh Sweet Jeulia... Sylvester was so rare for an Abyssinian. In our experiences (3 different households)...we only have problems bringing Abyssinians into the herd. In the one instance that it worked, it was still a never truly happy existence for the rest. They are SO smart, but so bossy. You are such a good guinea mom, I’m sure you’ll find the right pig for your lil family. ❤️
I have an Abby and she’s the complete opposite. She’s the quietest (personality wise - she’s a pretty talkative piggie 😂) guinea pig in my heard and if one of the other pigs tell her off she goes and nuzzles their ears and grooms them straight away. But I definitely get what you mean some Abby’s are extremely bossy and excitable. Just some are like Sylvester and my Fleur.
@@alyssaharman3133 I, too, have an extremely sweet Abby named Penelope. Her vocalizations are just beautiful...she is very melodic. I never meant to malign a breed; we just find the dominance in the herd setting as been the rule. The exception as been two females raised together.😉. They are the funniest lil beings. We adore them.
I have a 5 month old abyssinian I have been trying to bond with my older male. Older male is way bigger and I expected him to be the boss pig. But little abyssinian guy is so aggressive he was dominating my older guy. For now I'm keeping them in separate cages. I feel sorry for my sweet older guy... He was sooooo stressed out. Thankfully no blood drawn though.
My abby is such a handful & she was from day one. My other female guinea pig doesn't like to be around her at all. My abby was only 6 weeks old when I got her & my other guinea pig hated her on sight. Which is unusual since adult guinea pigs don't usually want to fight with baby ones.
So that means I have no choice but to keep them separated. Which isn't good because I hate them both being alone. But I'm not allowed to get more guinea pigs & I love them both far to much to rehome them. I try my best to give them both plenty of cuddles.
Funnily enough, in my own experience, it was always the opposite, always: the abbies being the absolute care bear cuddle bugs and the smooth-coated ones the skittish firebrands.
There's probably a bit of confirmation bias there, though. :)
I am looking at the first minutes with him in the pen and daaamn he is proprietary like "heeey girls boss here, this is all mine" he is so active girls are probably annoyed by him so much, they actually sit by the door asking silent for it to open so they can escape to their sanctuary. Poor Lumi, she is the Fluttershy of the herd she is so damn scared of the happenings around while Nugget sits there waiting what is going to happen, Gatsby is angry to the core and Lulu is bored and disgusted by the guys proposals :D
Aww he was SO pretty! I'm glad he at least got a happy home! Poor lil Gatsby was at the door like "ok I'm done with this fool! Open the gate!"
Gatsby was like, "Lemme back in, human! I'm done!" 😂
Im so sorry that the introduction didn’t go well. Im sure you will find the right piggie for your herd very soon. Love your channel and your piggies and i’m so sorry about max i’m sure he’ll rest in peace. ❤️🐹❤️🐹
I'm sorry that you had a hard time introducing!
Never going to replace Max, max was to special and floofy
Coming back to this video after seeing Fitz's introduction and the contrast is stark. New pig here was very aggressive compared to Fitz who just stuck her nose straight into the hay pile and tried to get along with everyone. It must have been so difficult for you to go through this, especially so soon after losing Max. You handled it so maturely and with aplomb, though. You did everything right within your control from my perspective and intervened at the right time. I'm glad everything worked out in the end with the lovely Fitz (she's a personal favourite of mine as well as Lumi!) but I just wanted to say I hope you don't regret what happened from this experience.
You were so strong throughout this despite the emotional hurt underlying your voice, and in your Best Kept Guinea Pig secrets video, you admitted to 'chickening out' and getting a younger, female pig instead, but I think it shows just how much you care. That's not cowardice at all. I'm sure you can handle another introduction in the future should you need to. Love your channel and your herd, and you're a fantastic owner who's very educational and inspiring. Sorry for the text wall, I just wanted to give my reassurance and show my appreciation. x
Incredibly well said, she did what she thought was best for the herd, and after previous experiences, it’s understandable why. I know I’m like really late but I’m enjoying how things turned out for the piggies recently. :D
What's meant to be, is meant to be. There is a boar out there who will work out fine. Thanks for taking us along to find him.🐗
Next video: now we tape kitchen knives to the guinea pigs and bet on the survivors in a no-holds-barred Thunderdome cage match!
Nugget standing on the gate always makes my day. So adorable.
Abyssinians are known for their attitudes and craziness. My girl Abby, River, is a handful. Also, one of my other girls has been rumblestrutting every day lately.
My daughter has 2 females and they take turns rumble strutting, she said they do that when they are in heat.
I just got an Abby that rumble struts constantly. I call them Miss Rumble Butt. My other piggie, Cookie, just ignores them.
I have had 2 or 3 abbys and i notice they have been more edgy than the other breeds.
Max seemed so calm in the introduction to where he got used to the hard and i loved it i will forever miss max
He was a great Guinea pig boss to the hard... 🕊💞
At least you tried!! Your herd is so adorable! You'll find a nice, big, fluffy male! My male, Little Man (named after Little One...😌) weighs 6 pounds, 13 "long and 9"wide!! We adopted him when he was maybe 6 months old...he's looks like Little One..but she got him from a pet store and so we didn't really know at that time he was half cuy! He just kept growing!! 🤣 his personality can be very cuyish at times but other times a cuddle bug!! Love to Everyone! Colleen 💜🌸💐
As a Abyssinian piggy owner I say that rumble struttering is common in my girls . There are also quite fighty and like a rebel. I hope you can find your perfect piggy next times.
Yes I think abyssinians can be a bit feisty. I got a baby pig from a rescue when one of my older girls died, but my abyssinian didn't like her at all and after a while I decided to return the baby. I've just got a neutered male and feisty Beryl now!
@@emaben3072 yes they can i used to have 2 Abyssinian I I got bit many times when they are not happy
Interesting, I have a abyssinian that is the complete opposite. He has a very docile personality, a big hearted sweetie and bites me so rare it's probably about once every few months if he feels frightened when being picked up. His cage mate is not an abyssinian and is pretty damn fiesty, but my big guy is barely bothered by it. He has a calm commanding energy with his buddy lol. He doesn't even talk unless he has to. (For veggies or defending his position only lol)
@@jaram2369 that’s awesome I had 2 males
Of our herd of 3, the last 3 pigs we had, my rainbow roan was the pushy, my-way-or-the-highway one, and my brother's abby was the laid-back mediator of the herd who'd sonetimes tell my pig off whenever she got a little too full of herself
Thank you for showing the failed intro! One of my girls recently passed, so we're going to the rescue today to see if my remaining girl vibes with any of theirs. It'll be regulated by the employees, but I'm happy to see what Not Vibing would look like. It's clear you value education and not just cute content in that you uploaded this. Thank you!
He's so cute! And so confident as well haha! He might have a very assertive energy for this herd but l'm glad to know he got already adopted ♥️ good luck finding your new piggy
I mean, it's obvious they were just jealous. He's CLEARLY the coolest.
I love how Nugget is always at the gate peeking out 🤣 her favorite spot 😍
He is just stunning! It is such a pity the introduction didn't go well. It's interesting how he immediately identified Gatsby as the possible opponent for the leader. Do you know how he did that? Omgoodness. Look at the fleece liners flying! Talk about upheaval.
They always seem to just sense it. They must give off a vibe.
Scent plays a big part in that. Also vocalization.
A piggie that says: "I'm the boss here. SOD OFF!" sounds different in "pitch" than one that says: "You're very much at the bottom of the pecking order here. So would you kindly just LEAVE ME THE [expletive deleted] ALONE, please."
Aw, that's too bad it didn't work out! He was so cute and I loved his coloring!❤️
Too soon for another. The others are probably still grieving the loss of their friend.
Guinea pigs react best to introductions right after the loss of a herd member usually
Oh no, I'm sorry it didn't work out :( what a beautiful piggie
Gatsby is a menace haha
That boar was the most stunning piggy I think I have ever seen. So glad it worked out for him in the end.
Fingers crossed the next piggy introduction goes well.
In the start of he video when Gatsby was laying in the hay was so cute and reminded me of my guinea pig
I'm so sorry to hear you've lost one. Run free little one. Rainbow bridge gained an angel. Xxx
He looks like my guinea pig s’mores that passed 😭 ❤️ it brings back good and bad memories 🥺🥺❤️🌸
Aww, its sad the piggy couldn’t stay he was beautiful but just didn’t get along :(. I hope you can find a piggy that can get along with the rest of the herd. ♥️
She protecc
She atacc
But mostly....
Gatsby wants her boss position bacc
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I am very sorry that the intruduction didn't go as expected, and it is so horrible if piggies fight.. :( Still good luck with finding a new guinea pig, I am very excited! Fan from Eu
He was very cute, but such a troublemaker. So sorry it didn't work out and glad Gatsby is well after the failed intro. God bless her for being such a strong leader - she was never going to accept him. The right pig will come!
I am really sorry the introduction didn't work out! At least he got a great home though!🙂🙃😊
Not really she started fighting others
@@teddy9860 what do you mean? The new home didn't work out?
@@teddy9860 she mentioned at the end that the new piggie went back to the rescue who adopted him and he really likes it and is getting on well.
So sorry it didn't work out with the new guinea pig. The colors of his fur were amazing.
Aaaww, that's too bad. He's such a pretty boy.... but he was not for you.
Hopefully you'll find the male that fits your herd perfectly! 😚🍀
Gatsby says: "Hey, I'M the man here!"
hes a cutie wish things wouldve worked out. Im so sorry for everything your going through.
He's such a handsome piggy. I'm sad it did not work out but I'm glad he got adopted.
Lulu: this does not concern me
Lumi: Sisters what is this disrespect ?
Gadsby: Oh boi here i go killing again
Nuggets: YOU CAME TO THE WRONG PLAC IF YOU WANTED A HAREM BUDDY THIS IS ARTEMIS'S GARDEN
It's too bad, he really i beautiful and an unusual color !
OMG HES BEAUTIFUL!!!! I have one Abyssinian and I love her fur. The other 3 are all smooth. Even though he isn’t living with you, whoever has him has a beautiful boy.
I had a similar experience when I first tried adopting a neutered boar for my herd of five ladies. The first one was way too aggressive and kept chasing and harassing the others all through the introduction. The second fit in instantly with no drama at all. All six have been happily living together ever since.
Schade, das war ein hübsches Böckchen. Sehr energiegeladen, sehr dominant. Sein Hinterngewackel war absolut goldig, ein richtiger Macho 🤣😂😂
Its a shame the bread loafs didn't like the spiky rug
I love how Nugget is watching and listening in the end.
Oh, he's an Abyssinian just like my Pipkin! Too bad it didn't work out. He was gorgeous.
New Guinea pig 🙌 Max will be happy for them from heaven
Oh well maybe not so good but hopefully they get another piggie that can be apart of the herd
She just made a comment that she got rid of him because he didn't get along with the herd. :(
It is sad when it doesn't go well. Unfortunately, I had a same issues also. I had to return 2 guinea pigs and the third one was the perfect match. You will find a guinea pig that is perfect for the girls. 👍
Awww, he looks so handsome with all the different colors! Sadly he didn't get along with the other guinea pigs :((
He's so beautiful! Bonding is so stressful! My current boar is also quite full on with new females and with him it really helps to divide the cage and have them side by side for a couple of days before bonding, he gets some of his hormones out of the way and the females get used to his silly behaviour through the bars and aren't so scared when it comes to meeting properly! Also whenever they start squaring up too much I try to distract them with bits of food before everyone starts overreacting.
Hope you find the right match 🙂
Thank you for sharing. It's so helpful to see what a failed introduction looks like.
Aww, he was a pretty boy. I'm glad he has a forever home
He's such a beautiful piggy, hope it works out for you all
She got rid of him someone else adopted him
@ ciamella walker
Uhm?
@@ciamella_3 She didn't "get rid" of him. She gave him back to the adoption place and the person there adopted him. Your wording is very insensitive.
I have learned so much watching your videos. I loved the piggies you had in the beginning and I love the herd you have now. You do so much to enrich their precious lives. I have 2 of my own after you inspired me to open my heart. I know you'll find the right match. Love from across the pond, from NJ USA
Its ok Gatsby. We all know Queens run the show. 😁😉💜
I lost my Guinea Pig yesterday, She was/is my little furbaby, She passed away in her enclosure, she was old. (Had her since 2018, but she was born maybe 2016-17.
She was such a sweetheart.
It hit me hard when she passed away.
Oh my goodness I love his colours, they are so extraordinary!!!!
What a beautiful colours with that pretty guinea pig and what a shame it didn't work out .