Hannah Stoddard - Joseph Smith, Treasure Digging, and The Translation of The Book of Mormon
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In this episode of the "Ask the Experts Interview Series" the Paul brothers interview Hannah Stoddard of "The Joseph Smith Foundation" about the idea of treasure digging playing a role in Joseph Smith's life as well as the seer stone being used in translation.
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Hannah and her Father were a big part of me coming back to church and genuinely seeking to gain a testimony. After seeing their work at a Book of Mormon Evidence conference I started reading it again and prayed to God with real intent to know if the Book of Mormon was true. I received a profound witness that is was the word of God. 6 months later I served a mission in the Palmyra, New York mission at the age of 24. I can think of no greater tribute to your father’s faithfulness than this. I’m sure you both have saved many more souls. All Glory the God and thank you so much.
Awesome experience my brother, thank you for sharing. The Spirit ratifies your comment
Love this!!
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You should really listen to the abusive recordings (on TH-cam) of Hannah and her father verbally and emotionally abusing her mother. It is disgusting and shows their true character.
@@joshua.snyder I probably won’t. You should look up the story (in the Bible) of Jesus and the woman taken in adultery
Hannah Stoddard A+ Interview. We need a PART 2
Did you know that BOA has been proven to be a fraud? Read the CES Letter please! For the sake of your own soul...
I like the approach of taking the Lord and Joseph’s words first.
Then be willing to trust Josephs word first in every case:) Be careful what lines we draw because if we trust his word first he wasn’t a polygamist and the current church is built on shaky ground. Best of luck
the point dude was trying OVER & OVER to make around 0:47.....CAN WE PLEASE PLEASE MOVE ON???
Wonderful interview. I just finished "Seer Stone vs. Urim and Thummim" and loved it. I learned so much from reading it and the sources noted in it. This discussion was enlightening. Thank you all for the understanding imparted.
If you like that, you LOVE the CES letter, especially the section of the Book of Abraham!
@@MaryLeonard-mj9ng I’ve read the CES letter and found it to be a steaming pile of garbage full of revisionist history attempts. Anything John Dehlin endorses I know to be crap. Been a member all 53 years of my life and my testimony in the Gospel, Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon are just fine thank you.
@@MaryLeonard-mj9ng And you'll love to read the same section on the Debunking CES Letter website.
@@SuHwak So have you read the evidence from the CES Letter that shows BOA was a fraud? How do you defend BOA when the evidence is so strong that JS lied about translating common egyptian funeral texts having nothing to do with Abraham?
@@MaryLeonard-mj9ngold fake news
I had never heard of Hannah. I am so impressed and will start getting her books
If I may... L. Hannah Stoddard is in my humble opinion, the greatest historian on the subject of Joseph Smith History on this earth. Enjoy her wealth of deep doctrine that rings true from beginning to end.
Have you heard of the CES Letter, it is a MUST READ.
@@MaryLeonard-mj9ng That's been debunked several times. A dark evil letter!
@@raymorgan2780 Really? Then why does even the mormon church agree with the CES Letter that the scripts Joseph Smith used for the BOA have nothing to do with Abraham? Have you read the LDS church "Gospel Topic Essays"??
@@MaryLeonard-mj9ng The text is Abrahams, just like you have the writings of Paul now in a recent publication of The Bible, doesn't mean Paul *wrote* your copy personally, but its his words nonetheless.
I love how she patiently redirects him to focus on factual evidence. Great interview!
Read the CES Letter for some real evidence.
🥴@@MaryLeonard-mj9ng
@@mrselizavl5250 Seriously, read the evidence regarding how Joseph Smith lied about the BOA translation. Turn to Jesus ALONE, he is all you need. Read the words of Jesus in the Bible, He says to come directly to him, not a phoney prophet.
@@MaryLeonard-mj9ng You'll love then that the CES letter also denies Adam and Eve, Noah's Flood, Noah's Ark and The Tower of Babel (see section science). Basically denying the Bible Wholesale. People that have known the truth of the Book of Mormon, and deny it after, cannot help themselves to actually fully deny God.
@@MaryLeonard-mj9ng You’re reaching out to us because you read a compilation of other people’s doubts, all of whom left the church and now want their doubts to be a tripping stone to others. I and others have read the same thing as you and instead have searched and found answers that counter the conclusions in the document of doubts you want to get more to read. I don’t know why you seek to tear others down, to remove them from the peace and harmony they feel, only to become a tempter like yourself. The document of doubts you refer to is not evidence of anything but the same claims that have followed believers in God and his prophets since the beginning of time. The sifting is going on, it is not a surprise to anyone who is paying attention to the very scriptures we are supposed to read.
Can't say enough about how amazing Hannah is!
Those who know her personally have seen quite a different side of her. th-cam.com/video/fMul-OksIfc/w-d-xo.html
Long before i even heard of the Stoddards, I spent over 2 & 1/2 years researching the "history of the history" regarding the translation of the Book of Mormon and came to same conclusion has the Stodders. I began to compile all my notes when I stumbled on their book "Seer Stone vs. Urim and Thummim". I was so happy to see someone else already compiled everything and even more. A wonderful book.
Did you ever publish? Would be interesting to see it as a believing member
Do you accept Joseph Smith owned seer/peep stones?
Hannah Stoddard and what her family was inspired to do is amazing. Joseph Smith Jr truly is the prophet of the restoration. I thank God for the spiritual witness I received by the power of the Holy Ghost.
Beautiful discussion Stick of Joseph. I love the truth!
Of the restoration faiths I always wonder how the LDS compares to the SDA faith. Both restoration faiths. Both have prophets. Both consider the Bible to have translation issues. SDA corrected the Bible issues through revelation. I have an interest in all the faiths that consider themselves Restored (note: my background is Catholic).
If you love the truth, be open to seeing parts of truth that are hidden. The family is extremely dysfunctional. th-cam.com/video/fMul-OksIfc/w-d-xo.html
This was amazing! One thing I wish you had spent more time on with her - and maybe it’s because they have a whole book on it - but that was Helen Mar Kimble and her documented experiences with the sealing to Joseph. I know there wasn’t any improprieties between them but it would be nice for someone to come one and refute that the same way Hannah has defended the other things. Love all you do! The church is true!!
You need to read her book about Helen Mar Kimball, it is awesome!
I read the book and here is my take on it: Helen Mar Kimball is my new heroine, and I now have a renewed reverence for the early Saints and their sacrifices. This book was a tearjerker as I melted into the story and had my testimony heightened by gaining a new understanding of doctrine. The tears weren’t because of sadness, although there was much in Helen’s life. They were tears at the realization of spiritual truths and ah-ha moments as my mind and heart expanded. I wasn’t expecting new understandings of temple covenants, the word of wisdom, the second coming tribulations, and the ages of marriages of other elite women. This book should SLAM any people who are experiencing a faith crisis because of the false beliefs the rest of the world (and even other Saints) are trying to impose upon us. When you are reading along, make sure you read the footnotes!
There is a dark side to Hannah and her "amazing" dysfunctional abusive family th-cam.com/video/fMul-OksIfc/w-d-xo.html
Holy smokes, Excellent interview! I think I learned more here in 1 hour than I have anywhere else, this made me want to read the BoM and more about Joseph Smiths life than I have in the past. Good stuff!
Mission accomplished!
@@thestickofjosephOf offering textbook examples of cognitive dissonance? So close to the tree insisting there is no forest. All possibilities are equally without credible evidence. Gratitude for intellectual honesty and freedom. 🙏. Dan McLellan - The BOM is a 19th century work and NOT an ancient translation. Data >Dogma 👍
You will learn even more if read the CES letter, especially the section of the Book of Abraham!
@@MaryLeonard-mj9ngCESLetter is debunked.
@@james8996Did you know you can do the same thing between the old and new testament when one of the apostles quoted something.
I love Hannah Stoddard. She is simply amazing. She is intelligent, compassionate, courageous, beautiful, educated, and she valiantly defends Joseph Smith, and stands up for the Lord. She is a true daughter of Zion. If I ever met her, I would probably gosh like a school boy. She’s like the ideal saintly woman. Perhaps I shouldn’t set her up on a pedestal but I think very highly of her. The Stoddard family did a good job raising her and I am glad that she does what she does. I’m also glad that you guys decided to set up the stick of Joseph on TH-cam. Every time I watch one of these shows I learn something precious.
There is a dark back story to the Stoddard family. They are not the people they show themselves to be. th-cam.com/video/fMul-OksIfc/w-d-xo.html
Just love what you all are doing. Love that you are taking all this into your own hands and having the discussions that we don’t get at Church. It’s hard for so many of us to get this anywhere else. Of course we have to do our own research and of course we all have our own bias, but listening to all sides has helped me so much in recent years. Thank you all for all your hard work.
Truth might sting, but it leads to LOVE. Read the CES Letter!!!
@@MaryLeonard-mj9ngwho hasn't these days. It really won't make a difference if you know what the Spirit really feels like.
@@MommaCrissa Adam and Eve followed their feelings in the garden and decided to follow satan rather than trust the heart of God's Word regardless of their feelings. Follow the word of the Lord, and Trust in HIS heart to obey. You are in a cult that uses manipulation. READ the historic facts concerning moronims. THEN read the words of Jesus in the Gospel of John at face value (with no moronism interpretation.)
Oh wow this was absolutely amazing, I didn’t know any of that about David Whitmer, how aweful. Also I knew the stories about how the people in Far West were treated but hearing you share it brought me to tears it breaks my heart what was done to those saints. Thank you for taking a deep dive. I really enjoyed hearing this and then also what the other side of the argument is and perspective to help weigh things out for myself. I’m with Hannah Stoddard on this one.
David Whitmer was spot on and Semper-Fi for all the events he actually witnessed.
This blonde gal is absolutely nuts.
So is Whitmer then not to be trusted as a reliable source as a witness for the BOM?
@@Titiandthebandwhile he was true and faithful, he saw and experienced the same event as the other 2 witnesses regarding the divine authenticity of The Book of Mormon. That the plates were seen by him being presented by an angel. And like the others, he never changed from or denied that event.
What he did not witness was the translation process of the Book of Mormon and he never once acted as a scribe. And that is the very thing he equivocated on. But he was held up by detractors as an "expert" about it.
. So. Judas was a nice guy? Was one of the faithful with Jesus. Satan turns even people like King David into a Murderer. God gives everyone tests to overcome including Job. God could kill everyone who sin BUT no one would be able repent. Don't cast stones because your not perfect.
I love listening to Hannah Stoddard and her Insight.. Thanks for this episode.. I love the Prophet Joseph Smith so much and I just enjoy hearing her defend him!! ♥️
I agree with Sister Stoddard’s approach to these questions. Let’s also take Brigham Young’s report as credible, but measure it against Joseph Smith’s recorded accounts. Always start with Joseph’s account…
So glad to hear this!!!
I've never felt comfortable about the stone in a hat story. Something just feels off about it. I've said to myself that I'd only accept that story only if Joseph himself said it. And apparently, he never did.
It's sad to have seen some church leaders caving into the stone in a hat story. Especially in light of the possibility that it was fabricated and not true.
Thanks for having HANNAH !! A real TRUTH SEEEKER
This is truth th-cam.com/video/fMul-OksIfc/w-d-xo.html
Joseph Smith didn’t need a seer stone to find the Gold Plates. He had an Angle Moroni who showed him where the plates were.
That was my first thought. I didn’t understand this part 1:05:04
He also didn’t need the gold plates to make up the BofM. 19th Century fiction. 😂
The same angel he called Nephi before changing it...
@@lukev483go away, unholy, xenophobic and Pharisaical gatekeeper trying to control what you fear and refuse to comprehend. Many are called but few are chosen. Just like there are thousands of false denominations within lamestream Christianity as they succumbed to the bitter dregs of the Great Apostasy that made many false prophets and false priests of Roman Catholic Zealots, Eastern Orthodox Pharisees and Reformationist Protestantism Sadduccees. You fear the open mouth of God as you try to muzzle it with your closed-minded closed canon dogmatic prison of an incomplete and impure Bible. That is what will make evangelicals unprepared for the promised Second Coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. That is why you also fear The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ as it is a witness and record of God’s dealings with His covenant people who lived in the ancient Americas and were blessed to receive a physical, postmortal visit of Jesus Christ after the Atonement, death and Resurrection and ascension into Heaven from the Old World. This is why many of those false priests were so caught up to persecute and dehumanize the Prophet Joseph Smith and the early Saints just like evangelicals do today. It's all about a satanic and demonic need for control and power. You have had your eyes, heart and mind innoculated against the further light and knowledge of God by the adversary.
He used a technique used to open the veil to be able to see Moroni and I can prove it through the lds library in salt lake still holds his notes, but just listen the technique's Solomons and I can't tell u because it's sacred and dangerous but I get visions of whT happened and the lds church or church of Jesus christ is the true church be abuse of this.
Before anyone starts attacking, Hannah as not being a valid source when it comes to history, please read her books! If you take the time to read--which is a hard thing for some in today's spoon fed society--you will see that everything includes sources and has been fully researched. She and her father have not simply slapped together a theory and thrown it out there. It has been well thought out and researched. Take the time to read before you start throwing stones! Otherwise, you're simply embarrassing yourself. Fantastic interview!
Completely agree! Most people are basing their “knowledge” on a few sound bites they hear on TH-cam rather than reading books with proper citations and references.
I agree. READ THEIR BOOKS!
Agreed, both of the Faith Crisis books are extremely well researched and cited. No one can deny that they have done their homework.
Totally disagree. I have read her stuff and have seen plenty of her videos on TH-cam.
@@lukev483Having seen what you post on other YT channels, I don’t believe you.
Love this!!! What a powerful woman!!! Her wisdow is contagious!!
Hannah Stoddard and Johnathan Neville both need a Part 2. Lets make it happen guys.
Amen!
Yesh, please!
Absolutely! Here's hoping for a part 2!!
Can we include a reputable fair minded non-mormon scholar to go over actual historic evidence?
What we really need is Hannah and Jonathan to sit down with
My husband and I are new converts and love learning from your videos
She's really grounded on the front line and exposes a lot of what is going on.
This exposes things too th-cam.com/video/fMul-OksIfc/w-d-xo.html
Ok! You guys hit a homerun with this one! I didn't need any more witness of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon or that Joseph was & is a Prophet of God, but it's so nice to hear it over & over. So nice, like sweet music to my ears to learn more about it all. I did not know about how horrible Far West was for the Saints, nor that D Whitmer assisted those mobs. Hearing the emotion in Hannah's voice as she described it just in general terms was so moving. I hope that DW will be able to repent and that he and Joseph can reconcile...
Thanks, Stick of Joseph! Y'all are the best!
Love you Hannah thank you for sharing your knowledge and testimony with me
Hannah is great! From the perspective of an investigator Hannah appears to be reasonable, objective, and faithful. It would be super interesting to hear a conversation about all this with Hannah and Don Bradley.
Hannah is not honest, or a good person. th-cam.com/video/fMul-OksIfc/w-d-xo.html
Joseph Smith’s 1826 Trial
In 1826, Josiah Stowell hired Joseph Smith to help look for lost Spanish silver near the border of New York and Pennsylvania. Someone in the community, possibly a member of Stowell’s extended family, accused Joseph of gazing into a stone to discover lost property. As a result, Joseph was ordered to appear before justice of the peace Albert Neely in Chenango County, likely on charges of disorderly conduct. His arrest appears to have been based on a statute in New York state law outlawing “pretending . . . to discover where lost goods may be found.”1 Four accounts describe this hearing, all of which suggest Joseph suffered no serious legal consequences in its aftermath. Other details vary and sometimes contradict each other.2
In his testimony, Joseph readily agreed he had used his seer stone off and on to look for lost property, but he had given up the practice-it hurt his eyes, he said. He had never solicited such work and “had always rather declined having anything to do with this business.”3 The judge inspected the stone and questioned other witnesses, including Joseph’s father, Joseph Smith Sr., and Joseph’s employer, Josiah Stowell.
Joseph Sr. and Josiah Stowell testified that Joseph had responded to requests to use his seer stone only to assist friends or, in Stowell’s case, to help Stowell and other contracted workers on a treasure dig. Stowell trusted Joseph and appreciated his work. Joseph Sr. hoped his son would not abuse the gift in searching for earthly treasures and prayed God would reveal His will to the young man. Some other witnesses who testified believed in Joseph’s skill; others did not.4
The outcome of the hearing remains a puzzle. A purported court record indicates the judge found Joseph guilty. A neighbor of Josiah Stowell claimed the court “condemned” Joseph but allowed him to escape on account of his youth. A friend of the judge who claimed to have taken notes at the hearing wrote that the judge accepted Stowell’s testimony and discharged Joseph. Oliver Cowdery, who did not attend the hearing (he met Joseph Smith about three years later), mentioned the most likely result in light of missing documentation, that Joseph was acquitted of being a disorderly person.5
Very well said
Thanks so much for the serious details.
Any interview with Hannah Stoddard in it is bound to be good.
We really need a part two where she delves into the academic secularism in the Church History Dept. I think that part is pretty eye opening as to why these divergent narratives in several areas of church history have taken hold.
I want to hear more about that too. Time was when I would have been inclined to skepticism about that, but recently, seeing how much even BYU has come under the spell of progressive activism, I'm willing to listen.
Her book about President Benson, and Leonard Arrington “behind closed doors” is amazing. I am sad to think of the damage done by Leonard Arrington and his modern, progressive, cohorts rewriting church history.
Can we include a reputable fair minded non-mormon scholar to go over actual historic evidence?
@@MaryLeonard-mj9ngcan you tell us what church you attend? That will give us some important context about the repetitive comments you post on this and other pro-LDS channels.
Like the Mesoamerican model created by apostates in the RLDS Church?
Sister Stoddard is a smart cookie. This was a great conversation.
Blondes are never that bright.
Awesome Guest, topic and interview. Stoddard is a treasure.
Compelling interview. Thanks for being as candid and frank as you were, Hannah.
Learned a lot. Enjoyed your testimony at the end of the video.
Thank you! -Hannah
Hannah is amazing!!! Thank you for all you do Hannah!
You are welcome! -Hannah
Once you have a hard true witness of Our dear Prophet, Seer and Revelator, Joseph Smith, then the facts stand firmly in place. The worldly people of his day, had serious issues with accounting hard facts and couldn't get past that a true living Prophet had been chosen to restore the lost and precious truths. An incredible interview with L. Hannah Stoddard the greatest living historian on The Great Prophet, Joseph Smith, Jr.
Oh this testimony you bare is sadly incorrect. But hanging onto these ideas helps one stay indoctrinated. I get it.
@@jake8882 may I ask why you care, one way or the other?
Finally!!!!!!🎉
Been waiting for this! Haven’t had a chance to watch the whole thing yet, but excited to hear Hannah’s thoughts.
Yeah Hannah!!
I usually don't comment on much and I'm new to the page. But this was such a great interview. Just like what others have said. Would love to see more and with the additional. Keep up the great work!
As a post Mormon watching from Utah, I really appreciate this conversation. The humor and the good faith approach wins the day.
I feel like Hannah felt the need to have an answer for every hypothetical the host was offering. As if her belief system is solidly based on one narrow possible aspect of church history and she can’t let any other hypothetical have any room to exist. Overall loved the conversation! Love your guys’ style!
Appreciate it! Glad you came to watch and we hope you stay!
I actually felt that she was emphasizing that a hypothetical is just that, a hypothetical. There is nothing wrong with hypothesizing, but when we start to use that basis for beliefs we can get into trouble. This channel has helped me to revisit and identify the things that I thought I knew (were facts) that just weren't so. You know, its not what you don't know that hurts you, its what you think you know that just aren't true (or based on fact).
What is a post mormon?
@@jabulani22shepo61an atheist with no remorse or regret.
Exactly my thoughts as I have seen her in videos.
Great to have her on. She’s amazing.
Not great to interrupt, even misdirect her.
Why have a guest on?
Ask an open ended question and then stay out of her way
These series of interviews have been great. It has been nice to see the different perspectives and views. I have seen some frustrations get expressed when things aren't super clear from the Church one way or another. I think the simple answer is Gods servants are interested in communicating to us his will for us now, and what we need to do to follow Christ in our current circumstances. Perhaps in the future the Lord will deem it critical for us to know 100% of the past. Until then I will focus on the Savior as my number 1. Everything else is a bonus.
Great conversation. This was really needed on your channel!
Stick of Joseph: at minute 47 you say that there has to be an origin of these claims. They have to be coming from somewhere. And yet if you read the comments you'll find someone repeatedly accusing Hannah of being on onlyfans. Is there a necessary origin for those false claims? Or can it be possible that some people just want to demonize another person?
Hannah is so knowledgeable and well spoken it was very enjoyable watching this video. The thought that came to me is in the grove of trees before Joseph was visited by Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ, he felt the presence and power of Satan that left him feeling that he was going to be destroyed. That is an experience that you would never forget, so it seems to me that he easily could discern between God and Lucifer. Oh, and...Hayden...wear some socks!! ;)
43:32 🎤 drop. Love Hannah. Have your theories, but evidence matters.
At 45:24 he can’t let it go and brings it up again. At 46:26 Hannah drops another 🎤
The First Vision was "an" endowment in terms of a divine gift or outpouring, but it wasn't "his endowment" in terms of ordinances of salvation. The endowment as we speak of it today is to receive "all" ordinances in the house of the Lord, which includes those beyond the "presentation" of the endowment. These ordinances combined are requisite to qualify for eternal life. Even after the First Vision, Joseph Smith -- like all -- commenced at the very beginning of the covenant path through baptism and continued from there.
Thank you for the insights and your work to defend the prophet Joseph Smith.
43:30 - I love Hannah's response. "Yeah, that COULD have happened, but there aren't any sources to back that up." We can speculate and give our reasons with logical deduction and interpretation but if you don't have any sources to back it up, then why "dabble" in the unknown? That was great. Go to the sources, particularly what Joseph himself said about it.
Outstanding interview!!
This was so great! Thank you!
WE LOVE HANNAH !
Thank you for this video. Very enlightening!
Hannah Stoddard is one of my favorite people and I love her testimony. You guys need to have her on again! This was so good!
She's a brainwashed joke. You can't be a "historian" and toss out information you don't like.
Read the CES Letter, you are following a false prophet into hell. Read the words of Jesus in the Bible and trust in HIM ALONE!
@MaryLeonard-mj9ng I have read the CES letter and I read the Bible daily. I know Joseph Smith was the Prophet of the Restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and I love him. I have studied his life for 35 years. I have studied the Gospel and the teachings of Jesus. I love Him and follow Him. I am grateful everyday that the missionaries found me. God Bless.
You do know that Joseph Smith lied to people about seeing buried treasure using HIS Rock in a Hat? That was FRAUD. Fraud is CRIMINAL. You do know that he "married" YOUNG GIRLS 14, 15, 16, 17? He hid his plural marriages from Emma, his wife. He lied to The Church about polygamy (that he was not practicing it.) YOU KNOW ALL THAT AND STILL CAN BELIEVE?????
@@kimberlyolsen9416
@@kimberlyolsen9416 So what are your thoughts about conslusive evidence that shows Joseph Smith lied about translating egyptian funeral papyri into the BOA "by Abraham own hand" ???
Sooo good! You need to have her on again!
Well-spoken Hannah!
Best episode yet going to watch again thank you
Amazing interview!!❤
This interview needs a part 2!
One of the best interviews I have ever seen! Hannah is such a great source of accurate history and an effective advocate for the mission and character of Joseph Smith. I have read "Seer Stone v. Urim & Thummim" twice. Read that book. Highly recommended.
Hannah Stoddard is not a real historian. She disregards ANY and ALL sources that are not "faith promoting." The Character of Joseph Smith has a BIG PROBLEM right from the beginning, when he started using "peep stones." He has to lie to people to get them to go dig, and then he had to lie further to explain why no treasure was found. SCAMMER
Epic!!!!
Richard Bushman is my stake patriarch. I should go ask him about all this haha
Please do! I would hope he could provide some sort of response. Something like "I wasn't aware of this", or "I missed this" or even "I chose to look at it this way" is due. The response by the Joseph Smith Foundation is very strong. In my higher ed history education, I have made poorly founded historical claims, and can only assume all men are just as fallable.
@@TheCeasarsalad I have some stake meetings coming up. I'll let you know his response if you want to hear???
What a fascinating interview. Amazing and common sense information.
I saw a video clip, Prophet Nelson demonstrates how Joseph Smith translated the gold plates using the stone in a hat.
So which is which
Well, he’s wrong, obviously! The delusions of this woman have no end.
Great interview guest
Would love to hear Hannah discuss Progressive Church Historians vs Traditional Church Historians. Would love a friendly discussion between Hannah Stoddard and Jonathan Neville vs Kirk Magably from Book of Mormon Central.
Kirk is a baizuo who likes throwing around false allegations of racism and racial hatred towards anyone who won't tow the line for the Mesoamerican model created by cheap Indiana Jones wannabes.
Hanna im very impressed with your modisty of dress ty
Thank you! Appreciate that. -Hannah
Hannah you were great! Thank you for coming on! Please work on eliminating the filler "heh" thing, though. It was tough to get used to and not let it affect the learning experience. Not being mean, just watch yourself as if you are a new viewer and you'll see what I mean. 👍
Yeah, it got a little distracting. It made me wonder if I have any noises I make when talking that I’m not aware of. That said I think Hannah is great. Her scholarship is impressive and her interviews have enhanced my understanding of church history in so many ways.
@@vendingdudes @debbie
What you two seem to object to was only in the four-minute long segment after she had a very visceral emotion upon sharing a historic episode that included the rape of women and children. 1:06:55 Imagine being a victim of that horrible thing! Any good woman would feel empathy, but the emotion may manifest differently depending on background. I'm fine with the manifest emotion. However, there is no more "filler word" from Hannah after the subject is changed.
If you could imagine my going back to the above time-stamp and repeating Hannah's words, except every time I get to the filler word, I substitute "disgust" or I say the same filler word but instead I whisper it. If you go back and roll-play that, I think you will understand.
You can tell “the accuser of the brethren” has been at work for a very long time. If he can attack JS and make him look bad, then he thinks he wins. Look at what JS accomplished in his short life. Has given us more scripture than any other prophet ever. The slander doesn’t match up with the man.
By their fruits...exactly. So much wonderful fruit.
Revelation 12: 10
Great interview!
How David Whitmer can be trusted as a reliable source is beyond me.
@@rconger24 Although, it appears his own stories get crossed up depending on when and to whom he spoke.
Might another view be considered?
David Whitmer was a perfect witness for those events he actually saw. Why some hold him up as "unreliable" for events he was not even there to see is the question.
Why don't you ask him?
I had honestly never heard someone claim the seer stones weren’t used in the Book of Mormon translation before watching this video. I did not know that there was a Urim &Thumim only theory. Thank you for sharing this perspective and for the primary source based discussion. :)
I'm 76. All my life, there was no mention of a Seer Stone.
Not in images or in my primary or Sunday class.
The church says the stones were used. Oh wait. The church says a lot that sometimes is incorrect. My fault
Hannah is awesome!!! You also need to interview Jonathan Neville and James Lucas. They are the authors of the new book "By Means of the Urim and Thummin." They've done even deeper research than Hannah and have decided Joseph only used the Urim & Thummin.
Go check out our interview with Jonathan!
She is also on the extreme side of denying historical facts. READ THE CES LETTER !
@@roburry I detest religion. But I heard the words of Jesus in the Gospel of John, and so I called out to Him, and he helped me. I like to hang out with Him.
@@MaryLeonard-mj9ngthe letter is dumb, I’m sorry. Get a room.
@@james8996sure James.
Hannah is correct! Magic was NOT how the Lord prepared Joseph to become a prophet and seer. Her patience in explaining this to you repeatedly was admirable.
So true and so very tactfully said!
Love your content! Hints for a new podcast:
Please try to not interrupt when a guest is on a roll, it interrupts their train of thought. And you talking over them is hard to hear what they’re saying.
The best podcasts (per comments I’ve read) are those in which the host allows the guest to finish a full thought before injecting.
Hannah's correct that "SEER Stone" was not a used term in Joseph's day. It was a Peep Stone. They only added Seer to church it up--same as WW Phelps calling the "Nephite Interpreters" the Urim and Thummim years after the fact.
It's great hearing different perspectives on these various book of Mormon controversies. Thanks for making this kind of information easier to access for your average Joe.
Someone to consider bringing on your show is Todd McLaughlin from the TH-cam channel Shattering Triangles. He is able to pull simple yet deep and delicious doctrine from the Book of Mormon. You could perhaps discuss how the book of Mormon helps restore plain and precious truths and what those truths are.
There are also some people within the RLDS tradition who staunchly maintain that a seerstone was never used in translating the BofM. However, firsthand evidence is very clear that Joseph used his seerstone for nearly all of the translation of the BofM.
I prefer that treasure digging took place, but that it was a common thing done by many christians back at the time and place around Joseph Smith to actually do some spiritual work, which was to put the treasures of diceases ones to good use so they could move on in the afterlife. The evidence that Joseph was involved are there, but also do we have the evidences that it was not so much about money or wealth, but about that spiritul purpose.
Wonderful.
Love serving the God of Truth
I respect Hannah's approach to Joseph's life--What did he actually SAY and what do we have that he actually Produced? Not what anyone else said he said or said he did.
We have his words fully open to view and we have the scriptures and revelations and the gospel covenants and doctrine restored through him.
I thought this was a good conversation. I would like to interview Hannah at some point!
When Joseph first brought the plates home, he was forbidden to show them or anything to anyone (on pain of death.)
During that time he attempted to translate the Book of Mormon which is when he was reportedly seen using a seer stone with his head in his hat.
Is it possible that Joseph also had the Urim and Thummim in his hat (keeping them hidden) but was seen putting his "seer stone" in with it (according to the accounts?)
Is it possible that the Lord was fully aware of this little pretense? (D&C 5:4)
This would explain the eye-witness statements, Joseph's reluctance to provide any specific details connected to the translation, the introductory statement in tbe Book of Mormon, claiming it was translated by the gift and power of God and finally, Joseph's willingness to just give his "seer stone" away, saying he had no further use of it.
Did anyone die from looking at them?
@@chase.wilson No one ever saw anything until Joseph had received permission from the Lord.. (Imagine Joseph's new wife Emma, only being allowed to see the draped Plates?) After receiving permission, one of the witnesses wrote about being tempted to look through the Interpreters, but feared to do so.
Joseph specifically says that the two stones FASTENED TO A BREASTPLATE constituted the Urim and Thummim. No Breastplate, no Urim and Thummim. So no, he couldn't use them in the hat. What I believe is that he used his seerstone to check on whether the plates and the U&T were safe. If someone saw his seerstone, no problem. It wasn't something that was restricted. God gave him his seerstone so he could have something he could keep in his pocket and not have to worry about being searched or roughed up or hiding it from sight.
@@LatterdaySaintIdeas Except God didn't give him a seer stone, he found that while digging a well. I'll concede that the U&T in the hat, is a bit of a stretch, especially with it's reported size. Nevertheless that is what the local papers were reporting and that is what Joseph Smith's younger brother William was saying as well as Joseph Knight (another eye-witness to the translation process.)
The question of whether or not Joseph used his seer stone in translating the Book of Mormon, has already been answered in it's preface and in D&C 5:4.
@@jamesbaldwin7676 depends on which account you read. One account says he was shown by God where the stone was, and that's why he volunteered to dig that well in that exact spot. The local papers were anti-mormon, so no, they aren't valid sources. Joseph wouldn't tell some paper something he wasn't willing to tell anyone else. William Smith wrote his accounts decades later, and was the least reliable of the Smith brothers, even becoming a leader in the RLDS church. He was never a witness to the translation, so he's not credible.
In the end, it is all about the spiritual witness, the trick is convincing people that have never had one, that it is worth Everything to search out. Knowing God, is the greatest gift we can have on Earth.
What are these 13 firsthand accounts we have from Joseph Smith where he gives details about the translation? And where is there an account that Joseph went through every page of the plates?
Yes! ❤️
Great channel guys!!
"Take that, put it 200 years ago and then try to figure it out." That was a great point.
“Joseph Fielding Smith was a man of integrity.” Wasn’t he the guy that hid the only handwritten first vision account from Joseph Smith?
I'd like to hear Hannah address the story about Martis Harris switching "seer stones" on a stone-skipping break while he was helping translate, where Joseph, unaware of the swap, couldn't translate until Martin comes clean and gives the right one back.
The churches website has a video claiming that both were used in the translation.
Urim and Thummim in 1832
There is some confusion about the historical sources and the scriptures regarding the term "Urim and Thummim."
Although D&C 10 and 17 currently mention the Urim and Thummim, the earliest versions of D&C 10 does not. (We don't have a pre-1835 version of D&C 17).
The reference to the Urim and Thummim was added sometime between 1832 and 1835 (when the first edition of the Doctrine and Covenants was published.)
For years, scholars thought it was W.W. Phelps who first applied the term to the interpreters in an 1833 article in the Evening and Morning Star (see below). That was common knowledge until a few years ago, before an earlier 1832 article in the Boston Investigator was discovered that reported a dialog with Mormon missionaries who explained the Urim and Thummim was used to translate the plates (see below). Now we know it was not Phelps who coined the term.
We still don't know when or how the missionaries learned about the Urim and Thummim. They may have invented or coined the term for the interpreters, but that would be out of character for both Orson and Samuel. More likely, they learned the term from Joseph Smith or Oliver Cowdery. There is only sketchy information from the early days of the Church, such as brief newspaper articles and later remembrances, so we have multiple working hypotheses.
AMEN!!
We are very good at invoving "The philosophies of Men" to get us off the true path.!
I'm glad to hear her take on the trial since she didn't cover it in her book.
Amazing video!!!!!!
Great interview. Not sure why it matters how Joseph translated. Either way IT’S TRUE! (And I side with Hannah!)
It's so easy to tell the ignorant comments who are just here to shoot down anything related to Joseph and the Church. I'm assuming these people make a habit of dropping in on such videos to try and rain on others' parade. Thankful for researchers who actually dig through historical documents to give us insights and encourage all to read the same.
The naysayers are not here to “rain on others’ parade.” They are here for nothing short of destroying the faith of the saints. Their cognitive dissonance is screaming so loud that they will only feel better if they can convince others that the gospel isn’t true. Most of them worship at the feet of John Dehlin, and they go around to pro-LDS channels sharing the same debunked drivel.
@thestickofjoseph While I think this was an amazing discussion, I think you also need to bring a scholar on the show who holds the opposite opinion (who believes there is credible evidence for the seer stones being used in the BoM translation ). Especially since this is the current consensus among scholars.
I haven’t read any of her books so I can’t speak for myself but I think it’s important to consult other LDS scholars as well. She appears to be very intelligent and well researched but at the same time she has not received a Ph.D nor have her books been peer reviewed. While her interpretations seem logical, she didn’t address all of the sources on the topic, some of which may not fit her narrative so nicely. While I think there are reasonable grounds to believe the Book of Mormon was translated purely by the Urim & Thumim, there is also credible evidence to support the church history department’s current position that seer stones were a part of the translation process.
This shouldn't even be debated. President Nelson gave an interview in 2020 confirming the stone and the hat was used. He even put it up to his face. Look up "The Book of Mormon Is Tangible Evidence of the Restoration".
Wooohoooo 10K letss goooooooo
The best way to discern whether or not the BoM is true, is to study it, pray and fast to get a testimony of it by the Spirit. I dont need any other “evidence”.