@rtghffdfdg Ali was extremely corrupt. He arranged Zaire Africa before the Norton-foreman fight. And afterwards, he decided to fight an OLD WHITE dude instead of securing the biggest rematch in boxing history because he FEARED FOREMAN
George Foreman is really one of the toughest fighters I've ever seen. His size and strength. His ability to absorb punishment is astonishing! At 41 when he fought Evander Holyfield George went a full 12 rounds and took some brutal hits but barely acknowledged being hit save but only a few times. Truly one of the toughest and greatest fighters of all time.
@michaelclayton6550 I seen the Joe frazier & Ken Norton fight young George Forman looked unbeatable & invincible; older George Forman has said young George Forman didn't train that hard for fights
That Foreman uppercut right after the 3:22 mark almost took Joe's head off. Frazier had heart and guts off the charts here, but he took a horrific beating.
That knock down, in particular, was scary to watch. It looked like Joe’s head disconnected for its body for a second. I dunno how he got up from that one. That’s the kind of determination Mr Frazier had.
Yes, 3:16 & 3:23. Foreman had to go for uppercuts, although his low right swing could fell a tree!, because of Frazier's constant bobbing up & down style, making him very difficult to hit. Foreman missed so many times, but when he finally connected................BOOM! Game over.
Frazier never fully recovered from the 1st knock out. As the commentator says @ 4:18, "that almost looked like a glancing blow", it didn't take Foreman much to knock Frazier down again. (Not that a "glancing blow" from Foreman would do anyone any good!).
Seems back in the day was the golden era of nearly everything- all sports, music, and movies. Those born relatively recently have been robbed of some wonderful experiences.
@uio283 Everything is narrowed down now. If you have followed baseball over multiple generations, you've probably noticed that you can no longer distinguish between the different hitters' stances and swings as easily as we could in, say, the 80s (when sandlot kids would mimic their favorite players' batting styles). Coaches are doing what they're supposed to do - use the latest metrics to improve how they evaluate and coach athletes - but the net effect is to suck the art out of the given sport.
@@geokersey, not he would not have, and you know it. The Ali of the 1975 Manilla fight would have knocked out George all over again. George obviously had tremendous punching power. But he was not the best boxer. Larry Holmes would have out boxed George Foreman. Jimmy Young did out box George, and almost KO'd him.
People talk about his jab, which was one of the best ever, but his inside uppercuts were vicious! If Norton had continued any longer than he did, he might’ve been killed. He was done!
I once saw a documentary where I saw Frazier say the only thing he did wrong in the Foreman fight is, "sign the contract". 😂 But, all kidding aside, abundant props for Fraziers cajones!
@@marcyfan-tz4wj My least favourite fight by far. Foreman was a completely different animal. Hard to believe after seeing the fight he was a 3-1 favourite. Foreman really hadn't fought anyone of note up to this point despite his record
@@marcyfan-tz4wj Exactamundo. That's why Smokin' Joe will always be remembered. He was a great champion with humility and class. He knew Big George has his number and he didn't make any excuse , unlike today's HW. Joe bludgeoned most Heavyweights he met in the ring including The Greatest. But George was just too powerful for him.
Frazier was asked why he could beat Ali in their first fight but get knocked out easily by Foreman. He didn’t get upset or on his high horse - he just paused and then said “Different kind of guy.” Foreman was the best slugger of that time, before the Rumble in the Jungle.
Norton was suspect with big punchers, eg Big George, Cooney and Shavers all stopping him quickly. Ali made him look better than he was in their trilogy, because he kept backing off him and allowing him to build up momentum...
@chriscolton6329 taking credit away from Norton there. Yes he was vulnerable against big punchers but against good boxers he was always very tricky which was proven in his fights with Ali, Holmes and Jimmy Young
@@lukebullen705 Not really trying to take credit away from Norton. Just stating what I perceived as fact. Yes, he was very skilled. Even Ali had to think and execute well to prevent George from hurting him, badly. George did cause him body and internal problems, for a time, after their fight, so I have read. Ali just won their fight. Norton just didn't execute well, tentative.
Not only that the way big George use his size and strength to move Frazer around to keep him off balance..In those there was no short fighter that could come forward and beat him..And that includes Mike Tyson and Rocky
@@davenstorm7271 He took down 2 strong men, George beat beasts, 2 people who can break someone's jaw, he's the combination of Frazier and Norton, already a combo of 2 monsters, that just proves how dangerous big George is.
Ali was clinical in the ring, he never stopped thinking. The same hands that mercilessly dropped Frazier 5 times, could not find the butterfly, they couldn't crush the bee. The Bee brought down the monster and hard hitting Foreman crushing to the ground like an oak tree. Muhammad came out of that ring stronger and a legend of all time. He was the only one who believed in himself and saw the victory in his favour, while everyone, even his own team was scared for his life. Ali, the Greatest Boxer ever!
It was cheesy how Ali never showed the slightest interest in giving Foreman a rematch from 1975-1977. Very cheesy. Spinks, Frazier and Norton all gave Ali rematches after beating them, Spinks and Norton immediately. But Ali just couldn't find the time or inclination to fight Foreman a second time, after outsmarting him the first.
Ali was bragging about Zaire before the Norton-foreman fight. He and his promoters were extremely corrupt. And afterwards, Ali's decision to fight an OLD WHITE dude instead of foreman, proved that Ali feared foreman
@jaunenito Ali's little girl jabs didn't knock Big George out. Foreman faced sledgehammer punches all during his comeback and never fell once, never even flinched. After Zaire, Ali had a choice, fight foreman for millions in the biggest rematch in boxing history, OR, fight an OLD slow white dude instead. FEAR made Ali choose the old white guy. But because you have a low IQ, you don't have the slightest clue.
Man, that ducking technique of Frazier had him ducking directly into Foreman's blows. Here's my head, bang on it. Not to mention, Frazier is completely blind whenever he ducks, bobbing back up for a nasty surprise each time.
Yep. This is why I don't get the Tyson comparisons. His peek a boo technique was far more effective than ducking straight down practically in a bowing position
@@michaelclayton6550 Both are good shouts!👌 I would add Ken Norton, who broke Ali's jaw. And the 1st time Ali fought Frazier. Muhammad really fought some absolute killers! During the golden era of Heavyweight boxing.
It's amazing seeing George destroy these 2 legends and ragdoll them as if they were nothing, then to see George completely humbled before Ali. It was something of legends. Something George never saw coming, and you can see why. But, you can also see how George was the yester-years Tyson, even if he didn't train and fight like Tyson. George was an absolute beast in the ring.
@@tramp2827 Tyson holds a professional boxing record of 50 wins, 6 losses, and 2 no contests. He has been a world champion multiple times, with 44 Knockouts and a 75.86% KO ratio under his name. You can't tell me, Tyson also didn't have raw power of strength like George did.
@@melanisticmandalorian8909 I never said that. Tyson was awesome. What I am saying is they derived their power differently. You need to get a look on one of those old training vids of George destroying his punching bags with his fist. George is probably the heaviest hitter of all time. I saw this man hit Joe, in Jamaica, no windup or leverage, and Joe was bouncing around the ring out on his feet.
@@BoxingFanaticNumero1 yes we know don’t have to keep repeating it in every post. That’s why his fight with Ali in Manila in 1975 had to be stopped as Frazier’s eyes were both just about shut due to heavy swelling from blows he took and couldn’t see.
@@BoxingFanaticNumero1 yes I know seen the fight it was Frazier’s corner decided to keep Frazier from getting up for 14th round and Ali ended up winning by Technical knockout
As good a fighter as Frazier was, he was not a problem for George, it was a true mismatch and Frazier couldn't get inside because of the natural size, hand speed and style differences between the two men. Forman simply pounded his opponent into submission with accuracy, power and leverage, with each punch causing some damage, especially those body blows, making Frazier open to virtually coma-producing shots to his chin and neck... Forman could literally assassinate a man with his bare hands at that age if he caught the guy flush in the early rounds... I still hold Frazier in high esteem for not ducking the Foreman fight, it really showed what a true pro he was, as improbable it was to win against such a formidable titan as Forman was in that era...🥊💥🥴💫🤔💯
Ali's defeat of Foreman transformed the sport. He moved heavyweight boxing from a slugfest to an art form. Ali's brain mattered more than his brawn, and it left Foreman, for a while, a broken man,. But as we see so often in sports, a defeated champion can come back the better for being beaten. Certainly as a man, Foreman was changed, and all for the better. My feeling for Smokin Joe is, wrong place, wrong time. That's another thing you see all the time in sports.
@@perspectiveoutlook1540 I'll explain this slowly so you can understand. Before the fight, Ali announced that IF Foreman won, which Ali didn't think he would, they would fight in Zaire. After the first round, Ali said that Norton was fighting much better against Foreman than Frazier had, because Norton was a great fighter. "Any man who goes 24 rounds with me has gotta be great. Ain't no George Foreman who is still a good amateur gonna destroy Kenny Norton, because I couldn't do it." Then Foreman comes out and destroys Kenny Norton in the second round. A normal person seeing Foreman annihilate Norton might reconsider his opinion of Foreman's ability. He might even be intimidated about fighting him in Zaire. Instead, Ali was eager to fight Foreman, and said he woud retire him. "I'll whoop him." That's the attitude of a champion. Hope that helps.
Watching young George and old George.. especially against Frazier, he was fast..his speed on his left hook was so underrated..his footwork was better than stated. He showed that snap against Rodriguez, and slightly less against Holyfield...but he was 43, not 23 and still did well. That left darn near put Rodriguez thru the ropes..and he was a top 5 and South American champ. George was something else.
He had no defensive skills though, check out his fight against Ron Lyle. He figured he didn't need one when he was younger, he knew that if he was able to connect the opponent would fall
I remember hearing the story from Frazier’s trainer that after the 2nd or 3rd knockdown he started yelling at Frazier’s corner to throw in the towel because he would kill him. That was the most scary of a fighter that ever existed that night in Jamaica.
@@mattclark6482 I agree. Should have stopped it with the fourth, for sure. I kind of understand the refs problem. A lot of times they are cursed if they do and cursed if they don't.
You have to watch these fights, to fully appreciate what Ali did to George. How he took 8 rounds of punishment from this man, tracked him and knocked him out. Incredible.
What’s Funny Is Muhammad Ali Said The Joe Frazier’s Punches Hurt Him (Ali)More Than Foreman’s Punches, Also, Ali Would Choose To Fight Foreman Any Day Of The Week Before He Fought Frazier And That Joe Frazier Is The Last Fighter Ali Would Choose To Fight!!!
George had about a 6” reach advantage, he’s as strong as an ox, and he was punching down. If Joe tried to come inside, George would just push him back out to the end of his reach where he could strike without really being hit. If you’ve ever seen what George can do to a heavy bag, then you have some appreciation for what it takes to get hit that hard and keep fighting.
It was the great Archie Moore who told Foreman to push Frazier back.Archie was a co-trainer of the young Foreman.But other boxers like Buster Mathis who weighed as much as 300 pounds and weighed a lot more than Foreman could not push Frazier away because Frazier was taught by his trainer how to stop that and keep his head low.This was a rusty Frazier who got kayoed by George ,Frazier was rusty out of shape and forgot all the skills that made him a champion.Frazier was standing up too high and not getting head and chin low like he used to do.Because his head was not low like it was when Frazier kayoed Jimmy Ellis and his head and chin was high and exposed Foreman hit him like target practice.
@@texasstadium Nah Frazier was not rusty in the rematch with George.Your mentally rusty because you don't know that the trainer of Frazier who taught him how to be a champion died.Taught him to stay low and not stand straight up.Frazier's new trainer taught him different things that were not the same skills to stay low as Frazier's original trainer taught him.Next time you reply to someone use your brain and read and you will discover that Frazier's original trainer died.Even a little child can read.Your a grown man who can't read.
@@elihudcarter9943Frazier was way too over confident and in my opinion underestimated George Forman. After he beat AlI in 1971 Frazier really didn’t want it anymore. If you don’t believe me, just look at the Daniels and Stander fights. Daniels was smaller and lighter than Joe and still he was able to land some very hard shots to joes face. The Stander fight really showed how poorly conditioned Frazier was in that fight. If Stander was a better boxer and more conditioned he might have beaten Frazier. The Frazier that beat Foster, Ellis and Ali was a gym rat, a guy who put his heart and soul into boxing. The Frazier you saw against Foreman spent more time with his band (The Knockouts) than he did at the gym. Leading up to that fight his own camp was leaking out information that Joe only trained 3 weeks for this fight. But I agree the best Joe Frazier ever would not have beaten George Foreman, maybe a 7 or 8 round fight at best.
@@bgjb-r1499 Nah ! Frazier was not overconfident.He never did fight well in his fight against Foreman because he was way out of shape.Frazier he was overweight and out of shape and his ring skills that enabled him to win the heavyweight championship were gone because Frazier got rich both he and Ali in the first Ali fight and after that Frazier did everything but train his mind was on partying,he formed his own band,bar and club hopping and womanizing.Even Stevie Wonder can see that Frazier was out of shape and his ring skills were gone .Frazier fought low like Rocky Marciano when he won the title but against Foreman he was standing up high his head and chin was up high not low and that made him easy for Foreman to hit.If you see Foreman fight Dwight Qawi Muhammad who was smaller and not as great as a prime Frazier but he stayed low against Foreman .The small Muhammad actually hit Foreman easily until he was finally stopped by Big George . Foreman keeps his head and chin high that is why it was easy for Ali and Ron Lyle and Dwight to hit Foreman all night long.Dwight was too small but he showed that if you keep your chin and head low you can do damage to Big George.Frazier was not doing that but he could do that because he did it against Buster Mathis who was bigger in weight than Big George.Frazier not only had a great left hook but he was a terrific bodypuncher but he threw no bodypunches against Foreman .Because he did not have ring skills anymore because his mind was on partying not to stay sharp and practice in the gym.Boxing is like Basketball if you do not practice on a regular basis your skills and jumpshot is going to get rusty and disappear.
One of my favorite fighters of all time: George Foreman. No fighter could beat him by coming straight at him and trading punches. Frazier, Norton, Ron Lyle. No one could out punch him. He also became a very good man later on. Becoming a pastor, and all around good person. Muhammad Ali beat him because he out smarted him, without trading punches. Even George stated he underestimated Ali. Ali fought with his head as much as his fists. Even though George inflicted a lot of punishment on him. Muhammad Ali could take punishment better than anyone.
Boy when George had him in the corner hammering away and Joe runs away and when he glanced back to see where George is at, George nails him with a right punch to the head and Joe immediately goes down, that shit had me in tears I was laughing so hard.
Joe Frazier would have kept on fighting if they let him. He was the type of fighter that could be on the floor with a compound fracture, saying, "Come on back if you want some more!" These guys were incredible!
R U kidding kept on fighting , George would make him a bouncing basketball and dunk him ala jordan. Its embarrassing ! This fight should have never taken place.
@faridhermansyah3024 Nope, Im totally not kidding, and Im not taking anything away from big Feorge Foreman. Yes of course big George would have continued to dominate Joe. Im just saying Joe Frazier had no quit in him, and you about had to kill him to beat him. The man was fearless. George himself later said in an interview that he couldn't believe how tough Joe Frazier was. Match shouldnt have ever taken place? Really. Who was George supposed to professionally compete against, robots? Joe Frazier was no slouch. He once beat Muhammad Ali, who you may remember knocked Foreman out and took his heavy weight world title. Ali was later quoted as saying if he was ever in a holy war, he would want Joe Frazier by his side. Remember, Joe Frazier was also a world heavy weight champion himself, not a boxin novice, and he was tougher than a two dollar steak! Im a huge fan of Foreman but I also loved Joe Frazier. It was an amazing era in boxing.
@@kaylamarie8309 Frazier was over weight over confident and undertrained going into this fight and the two opponents he had fought in the interim did not provide the opposition necessary to prepare a world champion facing such a powerful man as Foreman. If he prepared as he did for the fight in 1971 he would have put up a better performance.
@jameshogan6142 I would agree that Joe was not properly prepared to fight George and was destined to lose against him. Big George was a beast on a whole different level. Anybody doubting that should watch his fight against Ron Lyle, what a WAR!! I was just giving Joe Frazier his due. The man was incredibly tough and really just a decent guy.
Norton had a lot of power as well (didn’t he break Ali’s jaw in one of their fights?) - but he had a penchant for over-training. Still, he looks like a BB gun going up against a bazooka!
Just raw power. Thats why it annoys me when people say Tyson hit harder when he relied more on explosiveness, still hit very hard of course but not Foreman could generate such great power with very little momentum which is what separates them
@@lukebullen705 This version of Foreman would plough through Tyson like a freight train..the quicker you rush at Foreman like that, the quicker he knocks you down, the man was a Bull elephant
Ali's wit and humor was incredible. But he also was ahead of his time and predicted what would happen. As for George, he was a complete monster and his power was out of this world scary.
@SuperDave44Mag in which universe? George couldn't effectively use his long guard tactics against Ali. The fight is famous for the "rope a dope", but Ali actually took very little damage while on those ropes.
@@joshuawyatt4737 Rather interesting that Ali never gave Foreman a rematch. Because Ali knew better. Ali lost to Frazier - and Ali got his rematch. Ali lost to Norton - and Ali got his rematch. Ali lost to Leon Spinks - and Ali got his rematch. But no rematch for Foreman from Ali. Ali knew there was too much of a chance that he'd get hurt. No more element of surprise in tactics. And if you think Ali didn't take punishment in that fight you're wrong. Foreman hit so hard that even his punches which didn't land flush were damaging. Even Angelo Dundee said he was worried that Ali was taking too much punishment before he finally dropped the rope-a-dope and turned on the offense.
@IvanLendl87 foreman didn't fight for a year after his loss to Ali. He was mentally and emotionally fractured by that fight. the rematch was already scheduled with Ali when foreman lost a decision to Jimmy Young and retired from boxing for 10 years. It is probably good that that rematch didn't happen, though. 35 year old Ali was not nearly the physical specimen that 32 year old Ali was.
@@BoxingFanaticNumero1 No..I didn't know that..the only time I heard that Frazier had an eye problem was the "Thrilla in Manila "..Frazier 's trainer said that he stopped the fight because Joe couldn't see Ali's punches..his eye was swollen shut
Ali was bragging about Zaire before the Norton-foreman fight. How does a challenger already know this? Because he was corrupt. Afterwards, Ali's decision to fight an OLD WHITE dude instead of foreman, proved that he feared foreman
That was a monstrous battering that Frazier took. Another 2 minutes he would have been knocked out of the ring altogether. This is where one realizes the skill & greatness of Ali. He took an equal battering from Foreman but never once fell down. And he outclassed & brought down George with his class. Greats are endowed differently. I wonder what would have happened to Frazier if he had fought Shavers, Lyle and Norton? By avoiding them he avoided body decimation. Unlike Ali , Frazier never fought tough boxers, he had an easy life.
Bullshit on you comment about Joe had all easy fights ,look up Frazier against Jerry Quarry ,then you may change your mind ! What a stupid statement ,but of course its your opinion!
Norton was one o Frazier's sparring partners and wanted no part of a real fight, as for Shavers and Lyle they would both have to win early especially Shavers and with his style and physical dimensions nothing was easy in the ring he was often shorter, lighter and had less reach than his opponent.
Basically my key point is that Frazier could not take big hitters and survive like Ali did. He was lucky he didn't get to fight real monster boxers other than Foreman.
I mean, we know the outcome, but you can see Foremans trademark stare misses it's mark against Frazier. Frazier was going full Liston and you could see Foreman was very unsure about him
@@lukebullen705 Just checked it. Yeh. nose to nose! It's close, but still not as good as this one IMO, although the Lyle fight was much better, one of the best HW fights of all time.
Big George did not only hit hard but new how to use his size and strength to move a fighter around the ring to keep him off balance.The way he did Frazer..There is no short fighter that stood a chance.And that includes Mike Tyson or Rocky..
He was a lump of a man with amazing strength.. Ali knew he had to do something different to beat him. Lyle gave him problem because he was a lump too and just as strong and fearless.. Lyle could clinch him and wrestle with Foreman.. Foreman wasn't use to that.
George was so intimidating.... i thinking after the fight was over that Foreman was going to dap up & check on norton but he was just staring at him like he wanted to hit him some more !
He didn’t need to say anything or trash talk his opponents to intimidate. He knew he could let his strength do the talking, and it wasn’t until Zaire that someone finally worked out how to engage him (Ali)
When Ali saw Norton tossed aside by Foreman, I know his heart was racing. Ali, for whatever reason, was rooting for Norton in this fight, even predicted Norton would win, and was yelling instructions to him from ring side, as announcer stated.
@@onegenius6390 Forman, again, Forman just had a different mindset, he fought like a brick wall. It's like he punched through his opponents, not at them.
The reason of Ali rooting for Norton, is because Ali always feel guilty for mistreating him and say to him nasty thing publicly only for instigated the title bout
Foreman is like a tank, no matter who he boxed with, he always attacked the opponent, always went forward, no matter what. That's how he won the sympathy of hundreds of millions. He was the biggest giant in boxing. And as a person he is very likable. Bravo, Maestro. Your old fan from Uzbekistan. I hope you won't be offended if I say that my idol is the great Ali, who, among other things, admitted that you are physically stronger than him.
@@robertmudrow8034 He was on Donahue in 1977, and there were all these shy Long Island housewives who would open their questions with "...hi champ." And it was so funny thinking just six years ago the whole audience would have been rooting for Joe Frazier to take his head off. We were talking about boxers, and what you say is true, but for the general public (at least among white people) attitudes towards Ali followed people's disaproval of the Vietnam War.
@@jessejordache1869 The Vietcong from northern Vietnam wanted to spread communism down towards southern Vietnam. Had southern Vietnam did their part in the fighting by aiding the American military , they would of been a free country still. While Southern Korea did that previously and are still free.
Damn these classic guys has some speed behind them tis beautiful in a way to watch them darting around such total finesse you don't see to many boxers around today that can dance like this
I watched that fight happen, back before anyone cared about concussions. I thought for sure Frazier would be dead within a day by the end of that match.
I remember watching a documentary about this heavyweight era. Foreman said he was scared to death going into this fight and he made sure to hild the stare down with Frazier because he was afraid that if Frazier looked down, he'd see Foreman's legs shaking.
George Foreman as strong as he ever was. Here in his prime....like a very fit agricultural worker scything hay. Legs spread to widen his power base, loving the physicality of the encounter. Totally immense...and yet...his greatest asset was also his greatest weakness. His reliance on his physical strength was his ultimate downfall. A foe that uses your own strengths against you is a very clever foe indeed. And so enters Mohammed Ali....
One of the things Angelo Dundee said about Ali, was that he was much stronger physically than people realized. He wasn't that much smaller, and didn't get pushed around on the inside. He also punished Foreman with Left jabs and right hands and came at him early in the fight.
@@Tanmag11 Well, he was right. You know Ali NEVER did weight training? Just jogging, calisthenics, working the bag, and sparring. His core muscles were what let him move guys around the ring like he did; Harry Cooper after their second fight said the biggest difference was that he couldn't mess with Ali in the clinch. Not to sound like Mr. Yoga, what with "core muscles", but you know what I mean. Ali was stronger than people who think "strength = arms" thought.
George foreman was not only a great fighter in the ring but a good business man after his boxing career He still had all his senses and was in good physical condition in retirement a real champ
@cliff none of the four boxers mentioned are overrated (especially not ali) but the frazier match is unbelievably painful to watch because he could've beat foreman with another strategy. norton vs holmes or norton vs ali three times is all you have to watch to know that he wasn't a flash in the pan.
@@marcyfan-tz4wj With his build what other strategy could he have employed? Foreman ate shorter crouching pressure fighters for breakfast ,lunch, dinner and anything before after or in between. Tyson would have been tailor made for Foreman.
Ropes were too big in Zaire. Look it up. Ali could lean back and avoid the uppercut and let the heat tire out Foreman. There was a reason Ali never allowed a rematch in an indoor regulation ring. He was a blowhard racist pussy who Foreman would have smoked in a real ring. The way he called Frazier a monkey and an uncle tom made me hate Ali. Love watching the Frazier Ali first fight and watching that piece of shit take a beating. Also, that piece of shit pretended to love the teachings of Allah yet fathered children by multiple women. When Malcolm x turned on Elijah Mohammed for the same type of behavior, Ali could have used his celebrity to save X from Elijah's mob. He didn't, and that makes him a huge piece of shit in my book.
I remember that. Ali backed up all the jive talk. Me nor anyone back then thought he could do it. What he did to Joe Frazier who had given Ali tough fights one win. Then Ken Norton who broke Alis Jaw. But he did it. I remember waking up to the news.
@@morarahman5954 and ali almost did an Apollo creed on Foreman's ass as well because he could hurt him without taking punches, Frazier couldn't do that so what's the point of your comment?
None of the jokers; Fury or other British heavyweights or for that matter American heavyweights today could have stood up to the greats (Foreman, Frazier, Norton and of course, Ali) of the 70's. Frazier had more guts than sense...he paid for his great heart for the fight game. All four of these great 70's era heavyweights could fight and were always in great shape...not a bunch of big slobs like what passes for a heavyweight now and don't have the boxing skills of the heavyweights of the 70's.
Mike Tyson in his prime MIGHT have taken George Foreman in his prime. Two brutal fighters. Two completely different styles. It would have been a classic.
@@candyb357lol Tyson was simply to small ..Big George would have jab him..And when he got in close he would have side stepped him and push and move him around the ring to keep him off balance ..The same way he did Frazer..No could come forward against Foreman.. Foreman.... Tyson never fought no one as big and strong as Foreman.. Remember Foreman came out or retirement after 10 years in his 40 s and gave a young Holy field a tuff fight .The same Holy field that destroyed Tyson..
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“You come over there talking like that, then we’ll cook you!” 😂
HAHAHAAHAH
Ali's post-fight prediction was frighteningly accurate.
Yeah, but his pre-fight prediction of Foreman not beating Norton was shockingly INACCURATE.
Ali knew that above all, boxing is still a sport.
@rtghffdfdg
Ali was extremely corrupt.
He arranged Zaire Africa before the Norton-foreman fight.
And afterwards, he decided to fight an OLD WHITE dude instead of securing the biggest rematch in boxing history because he FEARED FOREMAN
@@bradhuskers Ali never gave Foreman a rematch. Ali was a chicken - just like Riddick Bowe was a chicken dodging Lennox Lewis.
Muhammad Ali is the GOAT.
The punch that knocked Frazier down the second time, would have knocked out a horse. Frazier got back up!
As tough as they come. Foreman was a different kind of beast
No
And then went back down…got back up and then went back down…😂😂
Frazier got back up more than Rocky Balboa against Ivan Drago.
What a joke 🤣
George Foreman is really one of the toughest fighters I've ever seen. His size and strength. His ability to absorb punishment is astonishing! At 41 when he fought Evander Holyfield George went a full 12 rounds and took some brutal hits but barely acknowledged being hit save but only a few times. Truly one of the toughest and greatest fighters of all time.
U just realized that???
Muchas gracias por dar este combate tan famosos por ambos pujiles saludos de vito
And don’t exchange with him…box him….
I wish he would have not got rope a doped. He would have beat Ali in a rematch
George would have lost a rematch with ali he lost to the movers Morrison Jimmy young
The guy won back the heavyweight title at 45. That's the oldest champ ever
In heavyweight Hopkins beat him by a year at 46 becoming champ
George Forman looks unbeatable
@@loydklineThey called a lot of Foreman's punches glancing punches in this fight .Well that is because they were not on the receiving end .
That was an impossible feat . I watched that over and over with his fight with Michael Moore .
@michaelclayton6550 I seen the Joe frazier & Ken Norton fight young George Forman looked unbeatable & invincible; older George Forman has said young George Forman didn't train that hard for fights
That Foreman uppercut right after the 3:22 mark almost took Joe's head off. Frazier had heart and guts off the charts here, but he took a horrific beating.
And the beating Norton took was even worse
That knock down, in particular, was scary to watch. It looked like Joe’s head disconnected for its body for a second. I dunno how he got up from that one. That’s the kind of determination Mr Frazier had.
duh
Yes, 3:16 & 3:23. Foreman had to go for uppercuts, although his low right swing could fell a tree!,
because of Frazier's constant bobbing up & down style, making him very difficult to hit.
Foreman missed so many times, but when he finally connected................BOOM! Game over.
Frazier never fully recovered from the 1st knock out. As the commentator says @ 4:18, "that almost looked like a glancing blow", it didn't take Foreman much to knock Frazier down again.
(Not that a "glancing blow" from Foreman would do anyone any good!).
Golden era of boxing
Seems back in the day was the golden era of nearly everything- all sports, music, and movies. Those born relatively recently have been robbed of some wonderful experiences.
@uio283 Everything is narrowed down now. If you have followed baseball over multiple generations, you've probably noticed that you can no longer distinguish between the different hitters' stances and swings as easily as we could in, say, the 80s (when sandlot kids would mimic their favorite players' batting styles). Coaches are doing what they're supposed to do - use the latest metrics to improve how they evaluate and coach athletes - but the net effect is to suck the art out of the given sport.
@@ricktyuio283 yuppp
@@ricktyuio283 well said !!
What Ali says at the end of this video about him fighting Foreman, every word of it, came true.
Foreman would have won a rematch and Ali knew it
@@geokersey, not he would not have, and you know it. The Ali of the 1975 Manilla fight would have knocked out George all over again. George obviously had tremendous punching power. But he was not the best boxer. Larry Holmes would have out boxed George Foreman. Jimmy Young did out box George, and almost KO'd him.
@@geokersey too bad forman lost to young and quit, or did you not know that?
Every word he said came true. Eerie!
Even Foreman's misses are frightening.
Those big swinging punches look like they could bring buildings down.
Word.Foreman was a monster.
Until he he met the great Ali.
People talk about his jab, which was one of the best ever, but his inside uppercuts were vicious! If Norton had continued any longer than he did, he might’ve been killed. He was done!
Yes foreman jab looked like a bomb too.
Foreman walked up to Norton like you want some more? 😂
Foreman was great.....but Ali's comments at the end of the clip are gold.
Ali was extremely lucky that foreman fought stupidly.
And Ali's choice of fighting an OLD WHITE dude instead of foreman, speaks volumes about his FEAR
@@bradhuskers Cry more tro11
I once saw a documentary where I saw Frazier say the only thing he did wrong in the Foreman fight is, "sign the contract". 😂
But, all kidding aside, abundant props for Fraziers cajones!
i saw it happen when i was 7 and it's still painful to see frazier get whipped like that. he had humor, humility AND big cajones!
@@marcyfan-tz4wj My least favourite fight by far. Foreman was a completely different animal. Hard to believe after seeing the fight he was a 3-1 favourite. Foreman really hadn't fought anyone of note up to this point despite his record
@@marcyfan-tz4wj Exactamundo. That's why Smokin' Joe will always be remembered. He was a great champion with humility and class. He knew Big George has his number and he didn't make any excuse , unlike today's HW. Joe bludgeoned most Heavyweights he met in the ring including The Greatest. But George was just too powerful for him.
Frazier was asked why he could beat Ali in their first fight but get knocked out easily by Foreman. He didn’t get upset or on his high horse - he just paused and then said “Different kind of guy.”
Foreman was the best slugger of that time, before the Rumble in the Jungle.
Frazier said in an interview he don’t know how good Foreman as a fighter, but he punched good, he punched really good
Foreman was the sherman tank with no reverse gear.
Til he met Ali
5:57
The man hit Joe so hard, he literally went airborne.
"Norton is a positive thinker." The way he was tentative in these 2 rounds, I believe he was positive George was going to hurt him.
Word
Norton was suspect with big punchers, eg Big George, Cooney and Shavers all stopping him quickly. Ali made him look better than he was in their trilogy, because he kept backing off him and allowing him to build up momentum...
@chriscolton6329 taking credit away from Norton there. Yes he was vulnerable against big punchers but against good boxers he was always very tricky which was proven in his fights with Ali, Holmes and Jimmy Young
@@lukebullen705 Not really trying to take credit away from Norton. Just stating what I perceived as fact. Yes, he was very skilled. Even Ali had to think and execute well to prevent George from hurting him, badly. George did cause him body and internal problems, for a time, after their fight, so I have read. Ali just won their fight. Norton just didn't execute well, tentative.
"Can't hit me with that stuff - cause I'm a professional." Gotta love that guy.
The "Professional" word in particular not only cracks me up, but I quote that to my mates often. Adore the man
The King of Trash-talking 🤣🤣🤣
Frazier's life was in jeopardy.
100%
What determination and HEART Frazier had. Got back up each and every single time.
A true warrior
@@anthonyrnkn The match should have been stopped a lot sooner
There is a fine line between stupid and ignorant
faaacts
That’s called brain damage 😂😂
Big George had a sledgehammer type of shot - with an exclamation point!
Not only that the way big George use his size and strength to move Frazer around to keep him off balance..In those there was no short fighter that could come forward and beat him..And that includes Mike Tyson and Rocky
Did you know that Joe Frazier at that time had one eye blind ?
@@BoxingFanaticNumero1 Did you know that Joe Frazier at that time had one eye blind?
@@S.O.A_Zero Yeah..mugi8643 thumbed him.
@@S.O.A_Zero Frazier could have had both eyes working just fine and the result would have been no different.
Big George reminds me of Jason in Halloween he just keeps walking after you. So damned strong.
You mean FRIDAY THE 13TH.
Ali called formen the" Mummy" lol
@@davenstorm7271 He took down 2 strong men, George beat beasts, 2 people who can break someone's jaw, he's the combination of Frazier and Norton, already a combo of 2 monsters, that just proves how dangerous big George is.
@@davenstorm7271 He truly is the big mummy.
Ali was clinical in the ring, he never stopped thinking.
The same hands that mercilessly dropped Frazier 5 times, could not find the butterfly, they couldn't crush the bee. The Bee brought down the monster and hard hitting Foreman crushing to the ground like an oak tree.
Muhammad came out of that ring stronger and a legend of all time. He was the only one who believed in himself and saw the victory in his favour, while everyone, even his own team was scared for his life. Ali, the Greatest Boxer ever!
W O R D .
It was cheesy how Ali never showed the slightest interest in giving Foreman a rematch from 1975-1977. Very cheesy. Spinks, Frazier and Norton all gave Ali rematches after beating them, Spinks and Norton immediately. But Ali just couldn't find the time or inclination to fight Foreman a second time, after outsmarting him the first.
I agree, Ali wasn´t better then monstrum Foreman, but more clever
@@sportshistorybuff319
@@sportshistorybuff319bc Ali knew that foreman would fold his ass in the rematch
No, Young fought Ali in spring of 1976, Foreman and Young fought in 1977.
Of course Ali at the end was priceless
Ali was bragging about Zaire before the Norton-foreman fight.
He and his promoters were extremely corrupt.
And afterwards, Ali's decision to fight an OLD WHITE dude instead of foreman, proved that Ali feared foreman
@@bradhuskers That proved exactly ZERO
@@bradhuskers I Isee you trolling Ali in all the comments - L0SER.
@jaunenito
Ali's little girl jabs didn't knock Big George out. Foreman faced sledgehammer punches all during his comeback and never fell once, never even flinched.
After Zaire, Ali had a choice, fight foreman for millions in the biggest rematch in boxing history, OR, fight an OLD slow white dude instead.
FEAR made Ali choose the old white guy.
But because you have a low IQ, you don't have the slightest clue.
Man, that ducking technique of Frazier had him ducking directly into Foreman's blows. Here's my head, bang on it. Not to mention, Frazier is completely blind whenever he ducks, bobbing back up for a nasty surprise each time.
My thoughts, also. If a fighter bent at the waist and bobbed his head, George was going to take him out, soon, and hard. It was the same with Norton.
...but he is measuring for the left hook. He wasn't completely blind. It worked previously, but George was too tall and big.
Yep. This is why I don't get the Tyson comparisons. His peek a boo technique was far more effective than ducking straight down practically in a bowing position
@@DaaimShabazzjoes left was a couple inches too short
George Foreman was the single most terrifying boxer of all-time. And then the most lovable boxer ever. All in the same career.
Two times I thought Ali would die in the ring .Fighting George Foreman and the great Sonny Liston .
@@michaelclayton6550 Both are good shouts!👌 I would add Ken Norton, who broke Ali's jaw. And the 1st time Ali fought Frazier. Muhammad really fought some absolute killers! During the golden era of Heavyweight boxing.
Sonny Liston was and STILL is the single most terrifying fighter!
@@GodsLonelyMan76- Mike Tyson would beg to differ.
@@davenorth8922 mike tyson a baby compared to the great Sonny Liston
It's amazing seeing George destroy these 2 legends and ragdoll them as if they were nothing, then to see George completely humbled before Ali. It was something of legends. Something George never saw coming, and you can see why. But, you can also see how George was the yester-years Tyson, even if he didn't train and fight like Tyson. George was an absolute beast in the ring.
Tyson's weapon to put you down, was speed, leverage and timing. Foreman just stood there and clobber you. You felt it a year after. Awesome power.
@@tramp2827 Tyson holds a professional boxing record of 50 wins, 6 losses, and 2 no contests. He has been a world champion multiple times, with 44 Knockouts and a 75.86% KO ratio under his name.
You can't tell me, Tyson also didn't have raw power of strength like George did.
@@melanisticmandalorian8909 I never said that. Tyson was awesome. What I am saying is they derived their power differently. You need to get a look on one of those old training vids of George destroying his punching bags with his fist. George is probably the heaviest hitter of all time. I saw this man hit Joe, in Jamaica, no windup or leverage, and Joe was bouncing around the ring out on his feet.
Ali was brilliant in the ring and outside the ring...A very smart man, an American Icon.
Ali just outsmarted and outgassed big George Foreman with "Rope-a-Dope". All of them are legend.
The old Titan's of Boxing..
The Cosell call of the first Foreman/Frazier fight was absolutely epic.
Cosell was a big mouth and nothing else... He didn't know shit about boxing.
Did you know that Joe Frazier at that time had one eye blind ?
@@BoxingFanaticNumero1 yes we know don’t have to keep repeating it in every post. That’s why his fight with Ali in Manila in 1975 had to be stopped as Frazier’s eyes were both just about shut due to heavy swelling from blows he took and couldn’t see.
@@scottknode898 it stop because the coach of Joe Frazier gave up
@@BoxingFanaticNumero1 yes I know seen the fight it was Frazier’s corner decided to keep Frazier from getting up for 14th round and Ali ended up winning by Technical knockout
The Joe Frazier fight shows what a devastating fighter George Foreman was.
Pure power hitter.May not of had the best moves,but when you hit as hard as Big George,you don’t need to be agile.
Не знаю почему не люблю Али за его болтовню 'и высмеивание противника, будь мужиком Дерись. Как Джо фрезер 😅😅
Joes still looking for the truck that hit him.
Foreman was a slow hard puncher. Slugger but effective, Ali outclassed him...
As good a fighter as Frazier was, he was not a problem for George, it was a true mismatch and Frazier couldn't get inside because of the natural size, hand speed and style differences between the two men.
Forman simply pounded his opponent into submission with accuracy, power and leverage, with each punch causing some damage, especially those body blows, making Frazier open to virtually coma-producing shots to his chin and neck...
Forman could literally assassinate a man with his bare hands at that age if he caught the guy flush in the early rounds...
I still hold Frazier in high esteem for not ducking the Foreman fight, it really showed what a true pro he was, as improbable it was to win against such a formidable titan as Forman was in that era...🥊💥🥴💫🤔💯
I think that anyone watching these two fights will understand why George was viewed as being unbeatable.
To think that Ali beat this monster at the age of 32 is beyond belief
And was never right in the head again. Big George is 74 and can still carry on a conversation.
@@GregZentTrumpetManTHAT'S WHY ALI IS THE GREATEST and big George is...well, big George.
Ali watched Foreman destroy Norton, and all it did was make him more eager to fight him. That's the heart of a champion.
Uh, no, he said if foreman beat Norton he would have to fight him in Zaire Africa. The fight was already in the mix
Ali's defeat of Foreman transformed the sport. He moved heavyweight boxing from a slugfest to an art form. Ali's brain mattered more than his brawn, and it left Foreman, for a while, a broken man,. But as we see so often in sports, a defeated champion can come back the better for being beaten. Certainly as a man, Foreman was changed, and all for the better. My feeling for Smokin Joe is, wrong place, wrong time. That's another thing you see all the time in sports.
Imagine Floyd doing that 😂
That’s right and if you come over there talking like that, will cook you😂
@@perspectiveoutlook1540 I'll explain this slowly so you can understand. Before the fight, Ali announced that IF Foreman won, which Ali didn't think he would, they would fight in Zaire. After the first round, Ali said that Norton was fighting much better against Foreman than Frazier had, because Norton was a great fighter. "Any man who goes 24 rounds with me has gotta be great. Ain't no George Foreman who is still a good amateur gonna destroy Kenny Norton, because I couldn't do it." Then Foreman comes out and destroys Kenny Norton in the second round.
A normal person seeing Foreman annihilate Norton might reconsider his opinion of Foreman's ability. He might even be intimidated about fighting him in Zaire. Instead, Ali was eager to fight Foreman, and said he woud retire him. "I'll whoop him." That's the attitude of a champion.
Hope that helps.
Watching young George and old George.. especially against Frazier, he was fast..his speed on his left hook was so underrated..his footwork was better than stated. He showed that snap against Rodriguez, and slightly less against Holyfield...but he was 43, not 23 and still did well. That left darn near put Rodriguez thru the ropes..and he was a top 5 and South American champ. George was something else.
He had no defensive skills though, check out his fight against Ron Lyle. He figured he didn't need one when he was younger, he knew that if he was able to connect the opponent would fall
And Holyfield was juiced to the gills. George was a once-young fighter, not on anabolics, doing a hell of a job in his 40s. One of the best ever.
But when he was older he was like the Terminator, mainly due to him being so relaxed I think. He looked like he was impossible to KO.
Absolutely. He was extremely hard to gas out.
He had a good chin
Because of Ali's antics at the end and Foreman's quick dispersals, this whole video was like watching the old WWF, lol.
Gorgeous George was Ali’s inspiration for his “Show”.
Bobby Heenan
I remember hearing the story from Frazier’s trainer that after the 2nd or 3rd knockdown he started yelling at Frazier’s corner to throw in the towel because he would kill him. That was the most scary of a fighter that ever existed that night in Jamaica.
All this reminds me a lot of apollo creed vs drago and to some extent George was similar to drago in terms of strength and height
That wasn’t Frazier’s trainer. That was Ali’s trainer Angelo Dundee who happened to be ringside scouting both fighters.
I can't believe they let the fight continue after the 3rd knockdown. Clearly a different era
@@HorrorFreak68 Foreman also signalled that the fight should be stopped - you can see it on a different angle of the fight
@@mattclark6482 I agree. Should have stopped it with the fourth, for sure. I kind of understand the refs problem. A lot of times they are cursed if they do and cursed if they don't.
You have to watch these fights, to fully appreciate what Ali did to George.
How he took 8 rounds of punishment from this man, tracked him and knocked him out.
Incredible.
What’s Funny Is Muhammad Ali Said The Joe Frazier’s Punches Hurt Him (Ali)More Than Foreman’s Punches, Also, Ali Would Choose To Fight Foreman Any Day Of The Week Before He Fought Frazier And That Joe Frazier Is The Last Fighter Ali Would Choose To Fight!!!
George had about a 6” reach advantage, he’s as strong as an ox, and he was punching down. If Joe tried to come inside, George would just push him back out to the end of his reach where he could strike without really being hit. If you’ve ever seen what George can do to a heavy bag, then you have some appreciation for what it takes to get hit that hard and keep fighting.
It was the great Archie Moore who told Foreman to push Frazier back.Archie was a co-trainer of the young Foreman.But other boxers like Buster Mathis who weighed as much as 300 pounds and weighed a lot more than Foreman could not push Frazier away because Frazier was taught by his trainer how to stop that and keep his head low.This was a rusty Frazier who got kayoed by George ,Frazier was rusty out of shape and forgot all the skills that made him a champion.Frazier was standing up too high and not getting head and chin low like he used to do.Because his head was not low like it was when Frazier kayoed Jimmy Ellis and his head and chin was high and exposed Foreman hit him like target practice.
@@elihudcarter9943 Well, Frazier was rusty in the rematch also.
@@texasstadium Nah Frazier was not rusty in the rematch with George.Your mentally rusty because you don't know that the trainer of Frazier who taught him how to be a champion died.Taught him to stay low and not stand straight up.Frazier's new trainer taught him different things that were not the same skills to stay low as Frazier's original trainer taught him.Next time you reply to someone use your brain and read and you will discover that Frazier's original trainer died.Even a little child can read.Your a grown man who can't read.
@@elihudcarter9943Frazier was way too over confident and in my opinion underestimated George Forman. After he beat AlI in 1971 Frazier really didn’t want it anymore. If you don’t believe me, just look at the Daniels and Stander fights. Daniels was smaller and lighter than Joe and still he was able to land some very hard shots to joes face. The Stander fight really showed how poorly conditioned Frazier was in that fight. If Stander was a better boxer and more conditioned he might have beaten Frazier. The Frazier that beat Foster, Ellis and Ali was a gym rat, a guy who put his heart and soul into boxing. The Frazier you saw against Foreman spent more time with his band (The Knockouts) than he did at the gym. Leading up to that fight his own camp was leaking out information that Joe only trained 3 weeks for this fight. But I agree the best Joe Frazier ever would not have beaten George Foreman, maybe a 7 or 8 round fight at best.
@@bgjb-r1499 Nah ! Frazier was not overconfident.He never did fight well in his fight against Foreman because he was way out of shape.Frazier he was overweight and out of shape and his ring skills that enabled him to win the heavyweight championship were gone because Frazier got rich both he and Ali in the first Ali fight and after that Frazier did everything but train his mind was on partying,he formed his own band,bar and club hopping and womanizing.Even Stevie Wonder can see that Frazier was out of shape and his ring skills were gone .Frazier fought low like Rocky Marciano when he won the title but against Foreman he was standing up high his head and chin was up high not low and that made him easy for Foreman to hit.If you see Foreman fight Dwight Qawi Muhammad who was smaller and not as great as a prime Frazier but he stayed low against Foreman .The small Muhammad actually hit Foreman easily until he was finally stopped by Big George . Foreman keeps his head and chin high that is why it was easy for Ali and Ron Lyle and Dwight to hit Foreman all night long.Dwight was too small but he showed that if you keep your chin and head low you can do damage to Big George.Frazier was not doing that but he could do that because he did it against Buster Mathis who was bigger in weight than Big George.Frazier not only had a great left hook but he was a terrific bodypuncher but he threw no bodypunches against Foreman .Because he did not have ring skills anymore because his mind was on partying not to stay sharp and practice in the gym.Boxing is like Basketball if you do not practice on a regular basis your skills and jumpshot is going to get rusty and disappear.
"Where the Lamooma Boys are"😂😂😂😂😂
It's "the Lumumba boys." It's based on a Congolese revolutionary who got assassinated years prior, I doubt it was meant to be funny.
@@ThePanther97 It's Ali. Trust me. It was MEANT to be funny. The Officials in Zaire even admonished him for it.
One of my favorite fighters of all time: George Foreman. No fighter could beat him by coming straight at him and trading punches. Frazier, Norton, Ron Lyle. No one could out punch him. He also became a very good man later on. Becoming a pastor, and all around good person. Muhammad Ali beat him because he out smarted him, without trading punches. Even George stated he underestimated Ali. Ali fought with his head as much as his fists. Even though George inflicted a lot of punishment on him. Muhammad Ali could take punishment better than anyone.
I don't think Ali traded punches with anyone. He never thought that was smart.
That was the greatest way to describe Foreman, "not a great boxer, he's a great puncher". And in boxing you need to punch.
Boy when George had him in the corner hammering away and Joe runs away and when he glanced back to see where George is at, George nails him with a right punch to the head and Joe immediately goes down, that shit had me in tears I was laughing so hard.
😂
Yea, when a fighter tunrs his back to his opponent, you know he's hurt. it's a reflex to run away from something that is hurting you.
Is cool how these major fights used to take place all over the world
Foreman walking and standing in front of Norton before the fight was stopped. 🥶
It's crazy how Ali said he would retire Foreman, and he made him retire for 10 years sheesh
Did you know that Joe Frazier at that time had one eye blind ?
That was actually Jimmy Young who made Foreman retire not Ali.
@@BoxingFanaticNumero1 and?
Joe Frazier would have kept on fighting if they let him. He was the type of fighter that could be on the floor with a compound fracture, saying, "Come on back if you want some more!" These guys were incredible!
R U kidding kept on fighting , George would make him a bouncing basketball and dunk him ala jordan. Its embarrassing ! This fight should have never taken place.
@faridhermansyah3024 Nope, Im totally not kidding, and Im not taking anything away from big Feorge Foreman. Yes of course big George would have continued to dominate Joe. Im just saying Joe Frazier had no quit in him, and you about had to kill him to beat him. The man was fearless. George himself later said in an interview that he couldn't believe how tough Joe Frazier was. Match shouldnt have ever taken place? Really. Who was George supposed to professionally compete against, robots? Joe Frazier was no slouch. He once beat Muhammad Ali, who you may remember knocked Foreman out and took his heavy weight world title. Ali was later quoted as saying if he was ever in a holy war, he would want Joe Frazier by his side. Remember, Joe Frazier was also a world heavy weight champion himself, not a boxin novice, and he was tougher than a two dollar steak! Im a huge fan of Foreman but I also loved Joe Frazier. It was an amazing era in boxing.
Can’t believe he got up on that 2nd knock down
@@kaylamarie8309 Frazier was over weight over confident and undertrained going into this fight and the two opponents he had fought in the interim did not provide the opposition necessary to prepare a world champion facing such a powerful man as Foreman. If he prepared as he did for the fight in 1971 he would have put up a better performance.
@jameshogan6142 I would agree that Joe was not properly prepared to fight George and was destined to lose against him. Big George was a beast on a whole different level. Anybody doubting that should watch his fight against Ron Lyle, what a WAR!! I was just giving Joe Frazier his due. The man was incredibly tough and really just a decent guy.
Foreman could generate such massive power with so little 'wind up'
Norton had a lot of power as well (didn’t he break Ali’s jaw in one of their fights?) - but he had a penchant for over-training. Still, he looks like a BB gun going up against a bazooka!
Foreman is a beast my god he punches so damn hard.
He just stood there and hit you. Lights out. Scary!
Just raw power. Thats why it annoys me when people say Tyson hit harder when he relied more on explosiveness, still hit very hard of course but not Foreman could generate such great power with very little momentum which is what separates them
@@lukebullen705 This version of Foreman would plough through Tyson like a freight train..the quicker you rush at Foreman like that, the quicker he knocks you down, the man was a Bull elephant
"And if you come over there [meaning the Congo] talking like that, we'll cook you." Ali's sense of humor was something else.
i was looking for this comment. thought i was the only 1 who heard it 🤣🤣
Ali wits were always on point! As sharp as a well oil razor!
That uppercut had to be Foreman's trademark punch.
George Foreman. My favourite fighter.. Loved him . Still going too... Brilliant
Ali's wit and humor was incredible. But he also was ahead of his time and predicted what would happen. As for George, he was a complete monster and his power was out of this world scary.
He had the blueprint, but only he could implement it.
George beat Ali to death
@SuperDave44Mag in which universe? George couldn't effectively use his long guard tactics against Ali. The fight is famous for the "rope a dope", but Ali actually took very little damage while on those ropes.
@@joshuawyatt4737 Rather interesting that Ali never gave Foreman a rematch. Because Ali knew better. Ali lost to Frazier - and Ali got his rematch. Ali lost to Norton - and Ali got his rematch. Ali lost to Leon Spinks - and Ali got his rematch. But no rematch for Foreman from Ali. Ali knew there was too much of a chance that he'd get hurt. No more element of surprise in tactics. And if you think Ali didn't take punishment in that fight you're wrong. Foreman hit so hard that even his punches which didn't land flush were damaging. Even Angelo Dundee said he was worried that Ali was taking too much punishment before he finally dropped the rope-a-dope and turned on the offense.
@IvanLendl87 foreman didn't fight for a year after his loss to Ali. He was mentally and emotionally fractured by that fight. the rematch was already scheduled with Ali when foreman lost a decision to Jimmy Young and retired from boxing for 10 years.
It is probably good that that rematch didn't happen, though. 35 year old Ali was not nearly the physical specimen that 32 year old Ali was.
Frasier trying to run away from Big George was a sad moment in sports
It was sad .even on this tape , you can still Dundee and Pacheco screaming “stop the fight”.
Please sir at least spell Joe Frazier's name correctly! And remember Joe did beat loud mouth Clay !
@@stuballs42 Once sure he got beat the rest of the trilogy
Joe Never ran away from any one !
Ali was hilarious 😂😂😂😂
A real showman. And great fighter.
Did you know that Joe Frazier at that time had one eye blind ?
@@BoxingFanaticNumero1 No..I didn't know that..the only time I heard that Frazier had an eye problem was the "Thrilla in Manila "..Frazier 's trainer said that he stopped the fight because Joe couldn't see Ali's punches..his eye was swollen shut
Classic Ali, “we’ll cook ya!” 😂😂😂😂
0:00 Foreman had an absolute death stare
Frazier looked like he was hynotized in that stare down.
At the time, George Foreman was trying to pattern himself as the next Sonny Liston.
Not like Liston .
@@patprr1756 The Liston Stare will have you shit in your pants.
So did Joe.
George Foreman knocked them dudes into the next century !!! 😂
Young Foreman and Old Foreman are both very dangerous...
Fr though.
Ali's post fight rant here is absolutely sensational. Me and my pals used to play this endlessly back in the day...❤😂
Ali was bragging about Zaire before the Norton-foreman fight. How does a challenger already know this? Because he was corrupt.
Afterwards, Ali's decision to fight an OLD WHITE dude instead of foreman, proved that he feared foreman
Can not even imagine what Joe or Ken thought when big George started hitting with those sledge hammers.
That was a monstrous battering that Frazier took. Another 2 minutes he would have been knocked out of the ring altogether. This is where one realizes the skill & greatness of Ali. He took an equal battering from Foreman but never once fell down. And he outclassed & brought down George with his class. Greats are endowed differently. I wonder what would have happened to Frazier if he had fought Shavers, Lyle and Norton? By avoiding them he avoided body decimation. Unlike Ali , Frazier never fought tough boxers, he had an easy life.
He fought Foreman twice.
Bullshit on you comment about Joe had all easy fights ,look up Frazier against Jerry Quarry ,then you may change your mind ! What a stupid statement ,but of course its your opinion!
He fought Ali three times and Foreman twice. And where did you get the idea that Frazier had an "easy life"?
Norton was one o Frazier's sparring partners and wanted no part of a real fight, as for Shavers and Lyle they would both have to win early especially Shavers and with his style and physical dimensions nothing was easy in the ring he was often shorter, lighter and had less reach than his opponent.
Basically my key point is that Frazier could not take big hitters and survive like Ali did. He was lucky he didn't get to fight real monster boxers other than Foreman.
Best stare down in history - never seen that intensity from both men
I mean, we know the outcome, but you can see Foremans trademark stare misses it's mark against Frazier. Frazier was going full Liston and you could see Foreman was very unsure about him
@@chriswelcome8102 Yes, Frazier was the toughest HW of all time, next to Ali
@@soleknight3212 He looks like a bit#h against Foreman
Should check out the staredown between Foreman and Lyle
@@lukebullen705 Just checked it. Yeh. nose to nose! It's close, but still not as good as this one IMO, although the Lyle fight was much better, one of the best HW fights of all time.
Big Daddy GEORGE 77 year's old and still in his Prime 😂😂😂😂
lol ali was something else. he literally strolls up to the camera and tells everyone how to beat him, then he did it. lol
Big George did not only hit hard but new how to use his size and strength to move a fighter around the ring to keep him off balance.The way he did Frazer..There is no short fighter that stood a chance.And that includes Mike Tyson or Rocky..
He was a lump of a man with amazing strength.. Ali knew he had to do something different to beat him. Lyle gave him problem because he was a lump too and just as strong and fearless.. Lyle could clinch him and wrestle with Foreman.. Foreman wasn't use to that.
Did you know that Joe Frazier at that time had one eye blind ?
Precisely
@@petergreen5337 Did you know that Joe Frazier at that time had one eye blind ?
Keep in mind Tyson was faster than Joe, more explosive, and had extraordinary punching power, George would have been in danger I'm sure
Ali said if you come over there talking like that, we"ll cook you. 😂😂😂
George was so intimidating.... i thinking after the fight was over that Foreman was going to dap up & check on norton but he was just staring at him like he wanted to hit him some more !
You know you are fighting a hard hitter when your knees buckle like Frazer's did after that devastating punch at 3:22.
Foreman’s greatness solidified Ali’s greatness by beating an invincible George Foreman.
No other boxer destroyed frazier better than George Forman!!
Did you know that Joe Frazier at that time had one eye blind ?
@cliff Did you know mugi quit school after the sixth grade? 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@BoxingFanaticNumero1 Did you know that Joe Frazier at that time had one eye blind?
@@S.O.A_Zero Did you know that I just read your comment with two clear eyes?
@@soleknight3212 Did you know that Joe Frazier at that time had one eye blind ?
You got a love ALI he can really sell you a fight. Foreman was just a monster but ALI a genie 🧞♂️ Yan can’t catch him. Respect for both fighters.
Straight up tossing him around, damn George!
One of the miracles in sports history was Ali beat Forman. It was deemed nearly impossible
In the rematch George Foreman with Ali, George Foreman wins.
What’s the date?
@@oobrocks In the hypothetical rematch.
As I thought
@@mechaaronit happened
13:20 - Foreman walks up to Norton, says nothing and delivers one hell of a stare
Yup. His stare says, “I’m just warming up Kenny, I’d call it a night if I were you.”
He didn’t need to say anything or trash talk his opponents to intimidate. He knew he could let his strength do the talking, and it wasn’t until Zaire that someone finally worked out how to engage him (Ali)
He beat them but neither were scared to fight him, admirable 🎉
When Ali saw Norton tossed aside by Foreman, I know his heart was racing.
Ali, for whatever reason, was rooting for Norton in this fight, even predicted Norton would win, and was yelling instructions to him from ring side, as announcer stated.
HE WANTED AN REMATCH. WHO WOULD YOU PICK?
@@onegenius6390 Forman, again, Forman just had a different mindset, he fought like a brick wall. It's like he punched through his opponents, not at them.
The reason of Ali rooting for Norton, is because Ali always feel guilty for mistreating him and say to him nasty thing publicly only for instigated the title bout
Foreman is like a tank, no matter who he boxed with, he always attacked the opponent, always went forward, no matter what. That's how he won the sympathy of hundreds of millions. He was the biggest giant in boxing. And as a person he is very likable.
Bravo, Maestro. Your old fan from Uzbekistan. I hope you won't be offended if I say that my idol is the great Ali, who, among other things, admitted that you are physically stronger than him.
Ali roped a dope
Foreman liked Ali too.
@@jessejordache1869 Eventually everyone liked - or loved - Ali
@@robertmudrow8034 He was on Donahue in 1977, and there were all these shy Long Island housewives who would open their questions with "...hi champ." And it was so funny thinking just six years ago the whole audience would have been rooting for Joe Frazier to take his head off.
We were talking about boxers, and what you say is true, but for the general public (at least among white people) attitudes towards Ali followed people's disaproval of the Vietnam War.
@@jessejordache1869 The Vietcong from northern Vietnam wanted to spread communism down towards southern Vietnam. Had southern Vietnam did their part in the fighting by aiding the American military , they would of been a free country still. While Southern Korea did that previously and are still free.
These are 2 of the Heavyweight Kings of All time
LOL. Ali was a character. I think he alone made the 60's entertaining, outside of all of the killing.
Damn these classic guys has some speed behind them tis beautiful in a way to watch them darting around such total finesse you don't see to many boxers around today that can dance like this
And that’s why Muhammad Ali is the Greatest.
That second knock down with the uppercut in the corner looked similar to when Mike Tyson put away Joe Frazier's son Marvis.
Ali put his foot in his mouth with that Ken Norton take, LOL.
Big George was a monster in the ring back in the day
Frazier staggering around the ring after each knockdown made him look like a little kid fighting a grown man!
Yes it was incredible. There was only a difference of 3lbs in their weights but Frazier looks like a pygmy facing a giant.
Lol
I watched that fight happen, back before anyone cared about concussions. I thought for sure Frazier would be dead within a day by the end of that match.
Crazy how the three boxers , Ali, Foreman, and Frazier panned out
I remember watching a documentary about this heavyweight era. Foreman said he was scared to death going into this fight and he made sure to hild the stare down with Frazier because he was afraid that if Frazier looked down, he'd see Foreman's legs shaking.
Because he was Joe Frazier.
George Foreman as strong as he ever was. Here in his prime....like a very fit agricultural worker scything hay. Legs spread to widen his power base, loving the physicality of the encounter. Totally immense...and yet...his greatest asset was also his greatest weakness. His reliance on his physical strength was his ultimate downfall. A foe that uses your own strengths against you is a very clever foe indeed. And so enters Mohammed Ali....
Well written.
One of the things Angelo Dundee said about Ali, was that he was much stronger physically than people realized. He wasn't that much smaller, and didn't get pushed around on the inside. He also punished Foreman with Left jabs and right hands and came at him early in the fight.
@@Tanmag11 Well, he was right. You know Ali NEVER did weight training? Just jogging, calisthenics, working the bag, and sparring. His core muscles were what let him move guys around the ring like he did; Harry Cooper after their second fight said the biggest difference was that he couldn't mess with Ali in the clinch.
Not to sound like Mr. Yoga, what with "core muscles", but you know what I mean. Ali was stronger than people who think "strength = arms" thought.
@@jessejordache1869 proof that boxing isn't a bodybuilding contest.
@@Tanmag11 Truth.
The Ali interview after the Norton fight was fantastic
8 oz gloves in a heavyweight fight - that is INSANE...and barely talked about.
George foreman was not only a great fighter in the ring but a good business man after his boxing career He still had all his senses and was in good physical condition in retirement a real champ
Somehow, Ali always managed to steal the show.
Did you know that Joe Frazier at that time had one eye blind ?
@cliff none of the four boxers mentioned are overrated (especially not ali) but the frazier match is unbelievably painful to watch because he could've beat foreman with another strategy. norton vs holmes or norton vs ali three times is all you have to watch to know that he wasn't a flash in the pan.
@@marcyfan-tz4wj With his build what other strategy could he have employed? Foreman ate shorter crouching pressure fighters for breakfast ,lunch, dinner and anything before after or in between. Tyson would have been tailor made for Foreman.
@@marcyfan-tz4wj Did you know mugi quit school after the sixth grade? 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Ropes were too big in Zaire. Look it up. Ali could lean back and avoid the uppercut and let the heat tire out Foreman. There was a reason Ali never allowed a rematch in an indoor regulation ring. He was a blowhard racist pussy who Foreman would have smoked in a real ring. The way he called Frazier a monkey and an uncle tom made me hate Ali. Love watching the Frazier Ali first fight and watching that piece of shit take a beating. Also, that piece of shit pretended to love the teachings of Allah yet fathered children by multiple women. When Malcolm x turned on Elijah Mohammed for the same type of behavior, Ali could have used his celebrity to save X from Elijah's mob. He didn't, and that makes him a huge piece of shit in my book.
I remember that. Ali backed up all the jive talk. Me nor anyone back then thought he could do it. What he did to Joe Frazier who had given Ali tough fights one win. Then Ken Norton who broke Alis Jaw. But he did it. I remember waking up to the news.
Man I grew up with Muhammad Ali, Evel Kneivel, and the cold war.....Damn, what a time!
Ali was just amazing. He practically lived by this golden law of life, "If you think it, believe it, say it, you will do it" 🐐
Poor Joe ...... to be humiliated like that after his win over Ali had to be painful for this great champion . God rest his soul.....
It wasn't a humiliation foreman had way more reach than Frazier plus Frazier did what George couldn't do that's bear Ali
@@williamunderwood1755yeah George nearly done a Apollo creed on his ass though 😂
@@morarahman5954 and ali almost did an Apollo creed on Foreman's ass as well because he could hurt him without taking punches, Frazier couldn't do that so what's the point of your comment?
@@williamunderwood1755 Ali didn’t almost kill Forman ?
Ali....what a great man..and so so funny...that line at the end..world class.
George in fighting shape was a force to reckon with.
Just seeing that death stare Foreman was giving me from the opposite side of the ring I’d have been like “Uh, second thought, I forfeit. You win.”
Ali at the end😂
I left that on purposely, Ali was a true entertainer. I do have him as the greatest sports man of all time.
Did you know that Joe Frazier at that time had one eye blind ?
"Norton is in Queersville" 😂
Did you know that Joe Frazier at that time had one eye blind ?
Man big George couldn't get away with all that pushing in todays fight game 😂😂😂😂😂
Damn why Big George got to hit Norton leaping like Roy Jones. He'll kill somebody with that.😮😮
None of the jokers; Fury or other British heavyweights or for that matter American heavyweights today could have stood up to the greats (Foreman, Frazier, Norton and of course, Ali) of the 70's.
Frazier had more guts than sense...he paid for his great heart for the fight game.
All four of these great 70's era heavyweights could fight and were always in great shape...not a bunch of big slobs like what passes for a heavyweight now and don't have the boxing skills of the heavyweights of the 70's.
Mike Tyson in his prime MIGHT have taken George Foreman in his prime. Two brutal fighters. Two completely different styles. It would have been a classic.
@@candyb357lol Tyson was simply to small ..Big George would have jab him..And when he got in close he would have side stepped him and push and move him around the ring to keep him off balance ..The same way he did Frazer..No could come forward against Foreman.. Foreman.... Tyson never fought no one as big and strong as Foreman.. Remember Foreman came out or retirement after 10 years in his 40 s and gave a young Holy field a tuff fight .The same Holy field that destroyed Tyson..
Totalmente de acuerdo contigo
Did you know that Joe Frazier at that time had one eye blind ?
Old men talking about the old days of boxing are incredibly boring. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️