Ask Adam Savage: Testing Fiction-Based Myths on MythBusters
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- Tested member Andrew Green asked Adam, "As urban legends are often based on some sort of truth or historical evidence, did you prefer these as science-based experiments or did you prefer to recreate the elaborate fictional scenarios from movies knowing that they were often only created for storytelling purposes rather than actual real science?" Here's Adam's answer, and thank you, Andrew, for your question and support! Join this channel to support Tested and get access to perks, like asking Adam a question:
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Removing videos because the comment are hammering on about Disney their slave labor and the fact they fires someone because of het opinions is really censoring tested is being censored by Disney. Is just said in one of those comments I watch Adam since 2003 but not saying anything about this situation has lost my respect the world is not a comic book or story its real life Adam by supporting Disney you support child slavery and censoring because of opinions even wors is you delete the video and make it for premium members in less than 20 hours. Shame on you now you lost alot more respect.
Adam, you are so awesome! You really held back on that one...
Could the boulder test have hypothetically been done by narrowing down the most likely candidates based on the most common rocks in the area that the Indiana Jones scene took place (perhaps also taking appearance into account)? Then, the weight could be estimated instead of getting a real boulder. Would a sphere of that weight be considered too dangerous for the show? Two parallel tracks could be used for the boulder and the person but there's always the risk of it going off course.
Busted! The Molasses Flood was in 1919, and it was not an urban legend. It killed a lot of people.
Molasses was not primarily used as a sweetener. People used Honey and products such as Beet Sugar and fresh fruits.
Molasses was primarily used as an oil for industrial purposes, up until a reliable synthetic oil was developed.
The Great Molasses Flood of 1919 was a military stockpile commisseioned out to a private individual/business. The failure of the tanks caused a major military investigation and some of the earliest sub contractor regulations we have on the books.
Hey folks, first of all I was absolutely delighted that Adam spent so long picking my question to pieces
I think essentially my question was “did Adam prefer the urban myths rather than the movie myths?” One being based on a ‘possible’ truth rather than the other being based on a fantastical fictional scenario (in the majority of cases)
I appreciate that both have physical elements that can be tested. Having heard my submission back it certainly reads that I claim one is fantastical and the other one is science. But I think Adam knew what he was answering and enjoyed picking the meat from the ‘statements’ I made about science.
I certainly enjoyed making Adam’s brain work in dissecting the ‘assumption’ of what is and isn’t science.
Certainly having one of my favourite people on the internet challenge the logic or reasoning in my question is most certainly a win in my eyes.
Adam’s answer was to challenge everything. He challenged the wording of my question. Job done!!
I think he knew as well. I also think he knew that he would not hurt your feelings when he used your question to highlight one of his major pet peeves, gatekeeping (4:10).
I totally understood your question and was so surprised when Adam interpreted it the way he did.
I got where you were coming from. Personally I hated the movie episodes. They were clearly paid promotions and the Mythbusters were forced to find something they could hook into.
And for the record I in no way think that the movie myth episodes were any less brilliant than the urban ones. I just wanted Adam’s take on the two.
I think my badly placed ‘actual real science’ tipped this into a heated topic rather than a fun one. 😬
I instantly understood what you meant with the question but the more I think about it the more problematic it is to think of what a proper answer to it could be. A lot of urban myths can be complete nonsense and a lot of movie scenarios can be based (in varying degrees) on reality. JATO Rocket Car was a fantastical fictional scenario but it was also an urban legend. The only true difference between the two categories is whether somebody is claiming the event is something that has happened or is simply asking if it is something that could happen.
You could just as easily swap those two categories around and the questions still work. "Did the historical molasses spill happen?" vs "Could a molasses spill I saw in a movie happen?" would both result in essentially the same mythbusters episode.
We all learned a valuable lesson today. Especially Andrew.
I think we just observed how myths and urban legends propagate in the form of fan mail. SCIENCE!
Poor Andrew, I interpreted his wording as saying the *movie* scenarios weren't created for science, not that the *mythbusters* recreations weren't for science!
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Yes, totally my interpretation as well.
Andrew was testing Adam's Patience.
@@insane0042 Adam busted Andrew's question fair and square. 🤣
I remember my “wait a minute” moment watching mythbusters when I was a kid back in the early 2000s, that made me a Engineer today
Good for you, I ended up as an unrecognised evil genius. :(
Mine was the plane on a treadmill one Ijust remeber thinking those people are idiots the wheels on an airplane have nothing to do with how the plane takes off as long as they can still spin it realisticaky doesnt matter if they are spinning twice as fast as the plane moves
What was it?
Me too 😅
@@skld3 It's okay Skid3, one day you'll build that "-inator" that will devastate the whole tri-state area!
"the only difference between science and screwing around is writing it down"
Beat me to it
Yep!
The reason you write it down is so somebody else at some other time can repeat the same experiment and show you can get the same results if you are correct.
My science teachers said and repeatedly drilled this fact in the most boring ways. Adam saying it in my early 20s changed the way I thought about the world.
I think Andrew just used the wrong nomenclature - when he said "based in science" I think he meant the rules of physics are bent less in urban legends than they are in movies. Had nothing to do with testing methodology. At least that's how I take his question
I think based on his wording he was saying the **movies** weren't based in science. Adam took that to mean the mythbusters tests weren't based in science
That’s what I thought too. Urban myths are based on some real thing that supposedly happened. Movies are made up things that they tested
Yep, Adam just totally mis-understood the question and assumed the worst.
@David - I think that's what was meant, but the point is that it's a false assumption to make. At the very least, recognizing that it's an assumption and not fact is an important aspect of asking questions. That's why Adam focuses so much on whether something is testable or not; that's the most important part of science-based myth testing, not the source of the myth.
It's certainly an interesting question though on its own: _are_ urban myths more often based in some historical reality? I somehow doubt it, but it would be very fascinating to devise a methodology to study it. My guess is that urban myths are just as often folk fiction as movie myths are Hollywood fiction. I might be wrong. Either way, I don't think it's a safe assumption to make simply on one's own sense of it.
There is no such thing as just science. There is something called the scientific method though. The pursuit of science is the quest for the truth. No one has a monopoly on whatever that is though. In fact I am pretty sure if someone could give us the ultimate answer it would be beyond our comprehension. That revelation would do us about as much good as an ape getting a cell phone contract. Enjoy the 5G network oh hairy one.
That was "The A Team" steering the falling tank by firing it. Not F&F!!?? or did i miss something is the F&F movies?
thank you. i cant believe i had to go this far down to find this comment
To be fair, the F&F franchise had cars dropped from planes several times and launched a tank out of the front of another vehicle, so it's a pretty easy mistake to make.
haha thanks for not having to comment it myself, I'll accept the miss tho, greater crimes have been made
I thought the same thing, but definitely an easy mistake to make as Hollywood is over the top extremely often
@@hejduken all i could see was Liam Neeson yelling "FIRE!" and was like wait.... Liam wasnt in F&F lmao!
Archimedes's Mirror, both attempts, was a great college try, but hopeless from the beginning. The moment when Jamie stood directly at the focal point and announced that he was not burning to a crisp was comedy gold, and scientific silver.
It was literally a great college try since they got people from a college to help try it.
Poor Andrew got burned, that was… Savage
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I'm imagining a disheartened Adam, in full Indy-regalia taking his hat into hand and being so disappointed that he wasn't going to get to run from 'The Boulder.'
Edit: Because it looks like my reply was eaten, Discovery Nederland has the intro (complete with their boulder run) on their channel: "Adam als Indiana Jones."
The Boulder is disappointed he doesn't get to chase the leather-clad man.
*insert sad emoji face icon here*
Oh, they still did it (presumably because they had a "boulder" by that point). It was just that it became a small thing through M5 for the cold open, not a full Myth.
@@sanityormadness That certainly doesn't surprise me, but I really don't remember that at all. I guess maybe because it was the open?
@@NightshadeDt Found it: th-cam.com/video/XQOKzQhPGyY/w-d-xo.html
There was also a brief BTS bit later in the show about turning the sphere into the boulder, presumably because it was filmed before - as Adam said - they realised there was nothing to test: th-cam.com/video/A3o4Fa1HDY4/w-d-xo.html
I would challenge calling the Boston Molasses Flood of 1919 a myth, because it's a photographically documented historical happening. That said, I'd certainly be curious what you would want to do regarding it!
The Boston molasses flood of 1919 was certainly real. The Boston molasses flood of 18..98...I think was a myth. Teehee.
2:00 I think that's the 2010 "A-Team" movie, not "Fast and Furious".
Thank you! I was about to comment that same thing, lol. As nutty as the FF series has become, the only thing they've dropped from the sky were cars.
Exactly! A non-existing tank carried in a plane that is not configured to carry a tank and the tank firing in mid-air! Sounds like Hollywood!
This was like the one thing I really wanted the Mythbusters to have actually tested. Maybe with a smaller scale thing tho
This, A-Team not F&F.
@@kmacow th-cam.com/video/oZIzreiseMk/w-d-xo.html
If I recall the molasses flood was in January of that year, so the aforementioned dead people were truly “slower than molasses in January”
EDIT: January 15, 1919 was indeed the date 🤦♂️
Why the face palm?
i shot molassas out of my air cannon a few januarys ago in honor of that day lol...
Hell, "actual real science" isn't an inherent aspect to study itself. Science isn't a single, _magical_ test that ends inquiry but a systematic process of examination. Irritates me to no end how moronically elitist people can be about that, typically deeming only pure, perfect experimentation as the only valid methodology. By that definition, almost all of the sciences we have don't qualify as science for all the things that can't be directly tested through classical dependent v independent variables while controlling all possible confounds.
Agreed. People often confuse the scientific method with mathematical proofs. In maths you can prove x = y. In science you can theorise (of course, a scientific theory is stronger then a colloquial theory) but you cannot 100% prove x = y. New information may come about that makes x = z. That is the fundamental difference between maths and science.
Don’t know if anyone mentioned it yet but: the molasses story Adam mentions did actually happen, it has a historical event, there are pictures (and also it was both the speed of the molasses gushing out of its container and the debris is picked up that actually killed people) the “urban legend” if you can call it that related to this incident is the street it happened on smelling of molasses all these years later when it’s hot out (which, is also something that can be tested with “real actual science”)
Adam, I am very, very glad that you tackled Pyramid Power. It was, in fact, very much a pivotal moment in my development as a human being. It was a 'wait a minute' moment for me (so much of Mythbusters was that.)
But busting Pyramid Power, specifically, opened my eyes to the idea that 'magical' things could be tested and evidence demanded of them. That some of the things I took for granted as unequivocal and absolute and untestable, could in fact be tested, and doubted, and demanded proof of its validity.
The Pyramid Power episode freed me from a future of misery, and agony, and fear, and self-loathing. The Pyramid Power episode helped my mind escape from a place that had trapped me in a spiral of thinking that my existence could not be reconciled with a set of supposed truths that made me feel sick, disgusting, guilty, and revolting. The Pyramid Power episode, frankly, is one of a number of things I can point to through my history and say 'This saved my life', and mean it with absolute sincerity.
Thank you, despite your regrets, for testing it.
Thank you for setting me free.
Curious that Adam describes the molasses flood as an urban legend. I definitely thought that was real history, with no doubts to its actually happening.
The History Guy did a story on this. th-cam.com/video/adPuti-SL5o/w-d-xo.html
The molasses flood is historic.
2:00 your thinking of the A-Team movie good sir.
I love that the Mythbuster's crew was so excited about the idea of recreating the boulder getaway scene that it took several days of working on it to realize there just wasn't a story. lol
But Jaime's objection was based on a misconception. It doesn't matter what the ball was made of. The speed of a ball rolling down a ramp is independent of its mass. (As long as its heavy enough that air resistance becomes negligible.)
Maybe a quick test of the myth that heavy balls roll faster than light balls was in order.
@@donsample1002 That's all true, but the point Adam is making is that the question "Could Indy outrun _this_ boulder?" in untestable because there are too many unknowns (with regards to that particular boulder as well as the temple), and the question "Could Indy outrun _a_ boulder?" is trivial, because you can equally well devise a path for the boulder that either disadvantages Indy or the boulder through the use of the vines and shape of the corridor, as well as the mass of the boulder (which could affect its ability to roll through an uneven environment).
tl;dr - There isn't a specific claim to test that isn't either too vaguely specified, or too trivial to test.
@@donsample1002 It matters if it's not *perfectly* round; bumps and stuff that you'd find on a realistic ancient rock would slow it down some on each rotation. So would bumps on the track. That's where the materials aspect comes in. (But yeah, Adam didn't mention any of the things that would actually matter, like slope or reasons why materials matter.)
Also note that acceleration depends on the exact angle of support, like how much faster the full circumference of the ball is going than the point where it contacts the ramp.
(Because of angular momentum. For similar reasons why a hollow cylinder is slower than a solid cylinder web.physics.ucsb.edu/~lecturedemonstrations/Composer/Pages/28.27.html or a sphere vs. cylinder isaacphysics.org/questions/rolling_objects )
(Ah, I see Joseph already mentioned vines, same idea as bumps. And good point that any changes in direction might involve the boulder hitting something and losing some kinetic energy and angular momentum.)
@@donsample1002 No, falling or frictionless sliding is independent of mass. But rolling depends on the moment of inertia because some of the energy is converted to angular momentum. The moment of inertia is the mass and how that mass is distributed in the object.
So...
The molasses explosion was real & very dangerous because it was very powerful.
Also trying to breath with molasses in your lungs is very hard nye on impossible.
It’s worth researching. 😊
The Great Molasses Flood of 1919 was not a myth and was well documented, studied and detailed reports written on. Why would you want to replicate that?
On several occasions they replicated things that were well-documented. For example, Bullets Fired Up. They even made the documentation part of the story on that one.
Because it would have made better television than, for instance, the Great Atlantic Sponge Migration.
@@redneckgaijin Whoa, to hell with molasses, I wanna hear more about these sponges!
@@TheRich1981 The definitive study was done by Drs. Stanz and Spengler. The sponges, I'm told, migrated about a foot and a half.
@@redneckgaijin Sounds pretty spooky, hope they were qualified to deal with that sort of thing. I'm sure they knew who to call if not.
I love when Adam confronts mythconceptions. Dude, you're too cool.
I actually appreciated the unbiased discipline exercised with "pyramid power", even though the outcome seemed "obvious to everyone" and "common knowledge". You did it the justice of a committed evaluation with the integrity and follow though of every other myth. and in the end that was its true entertainment value, unbiased discipline with integrity and commitment.
Clothing used to be heavy. People drowned in water when they fell in. Imagine how a deep enough moving molasses wave would hold you down. Not to mention gasping in molasses over water.
Yep - and at least water can be expelled from your lungs once you breathe it in. No amount of CPR is going to clear molasses from your lungs.
@@DrakeAurum What a way to go.
Hope they at least enjoyed molasses previously.
It was a real tragedy, there were numerous complaints prior to the tank failure that it was not strong enough. They had never filled the tank to full capacity prior to the flood, and there were many people saying the walls were too thin.
I'd give Andrew the benefit of the doubt and say he meant "historical based myths" and "actual possible history". Maybe he just wanted to jazz up the letter and threw the word science in there to make it sound more Mythbustery.
I think you're correct. :)
Alas, sometimes picking the wrong word changes the meaning, especially when it implies a specific assumption that might be crucial. It's a worthy conversation to have, especially in a world that likes to eschew reality-based discussion and public policy! Sure, in the grand scheme of things this question itself is limited in scope and carries no weight outside of asking for a personal perspective, but that also makes it a great moment to discuss the topic because it can be much harder to broach the subject when more important decisions are resting on it and people's self-identities are involved.
Reinforcing the fundamentals of what it means for an inquiry to be science-based is a useful thing to do, at least so long as it continues to be so wildly misunderstood and misused.
Let's take a moment to appreciate how much Andrew was picked apart today. I could sense when it happened, all Andrews could
😩 I will certainly use the word science more carefully from now on!! That will teach me to post late at night after a beer.
@@andrewgreenroom Beer - Simultaneously both the cause and downfall of much great science throughout history. ;)
Well, he was... until he wasn't. After Adam finished faffing on, lightheartedly, about the phrasing of the letter, he gave an example of the Raiders ball. The upshot of which was *entirely* to the point of the letter, a complete fiction that was not testable as there were no specifications to replicate. He answered the question, without realizing he answered it.
Blow Your Own Sail is one of those life-changing episodes.
ADAM: "I'm in a good mood today."
ME: "And that's different from every other day, how?"
(I know, I know. I don't know Adam personally and don't interact with him every minute of every day. It's just funny coming from a guy (in a video) whose public personna (in videos) is literally "kid in a candy store.")
The Boston molasses flood was no urban legend. It really happened on January 15, 1919 and killed 21 people.
History nerd here. 🙋
8 minutes of a 9 minute video on light heartily word play and then 1 minute answer
got to love mr savage :)
That molasses flood was absolutely incredible. There are some amazing images of the aftermath. I believe that, in Boston, there is a monument or some sort of commemorative plaque to that tragedy. It was the way the tank had been made and inspected - or not inspected.
The question is actually something I've thought of I think, just not worded so. Like, in my mind, I tended to think of the myths as divided into sort of categories: stories like coins off skyscrapers killing people, turn of phrases like bulls in a china shop, logical extrapolations like how water heaters are pressurized containers so its bad if they fail, or things seen in movies or videos like curving bullets. The last one seems fantastical outright, so was it any more absurd to test than the other three, which seem more applicable to something people could actually experience or use the turn of phrase. Like, the "science" part isn't the question, it's more like, I always wondered if they ever differentiated between...something like applicability versus absurdity.
And for the record I in no way think that the movie myth episodes were any less brilliant than the urban ones. I just wanted Adam’s take on the two.
I think my badly placed ‘actual real science’ tipped this into a heated topic rather than a fun one. 😬
I thought it was a great answer! It's a very useful discussion, and pretty fun to listen to his perspective on it. I'm glad you asked it. I'm only sad that a lot of the comments seem to have missed the point.
Wow. I never looked at it like that. But its 100% true that the science of the myth itself means nothing and the science is in the testing of said myth.
though they might have had less practical or usable implications, the fiction based stories often had very interesting an unique premises that made you think about something. and even if thats just simple physics, at the end of the day as a young kid watching people dodge star wars "blaster bolts" because they're slower then paintballs really gets your brain ticking on how physics works and interacts.
Really liked the "fan on a boat" one because it's used as an example in science textbooks for simple physics, but when tried in the real world (without the caveats and simplifications that those academic problems impose) the intuitive answer often wins out.
Here’s a question: you guys tested the polygraph and concluded that it was accurate in its ability to tell if someone was lying long after the scientific consensus was that it wasn’t able to tell if a person was being truthful. Why weren’t you more critical of it?
6:43 Because seeing Adam, dressed as Henry Jones Jr., running from a giant stone...priceless.
they did use the boulder in the special's cold open
Great Molasses Flood was 1919 January 15. That molasses was not for human consumption. It was use to make munitions for WWI. But the war ended in 1918, so they scaled back production, but the still had molasses coming in that was previously ordered. That coupled with, unusually warm weather, and a poorly built storage tank lead to the disaster.
That really doesn't make sense because when wars end canceling orders is par for the course. The government certainly cancels their orders with contractors.
@@1pcfred in that time it would take months for a shipment of molasses to get from the Caribbean to Boston. The war just ended on November 11, 1918. So those deliveries were already inbound, and paid for.
@@barryfields2964 It did not take that long even in the days of wooden masted ships. Because of the currents going south to north is pretty fast in the Atlantic on the US side. You're going with the flow. The average speed sailing is 100-140 miles a day. It is only a 1,300 mile trip. So at most you can make it in under 2 weeks.
@@1pcfred I’m talking ship travel I’m talking about contracts theses ships were contacted to deliver that amount of molasses at that point in time
@@barryfields2964 I'm talking about telling them to take that molasses and shove it. I ain't working here no more! Johnny Paycheck style. Everyone realizes at the outset that war economies are high risk ventures. It ain't quite business as usual. Orders are placed in good faith but one must still understand that things do in fact change.
Note: The molasses processing plant was for alcohol production. ;)
Andrew knows that he's amongst friends here, including Adam himself! 😀👍
Yeah I always felt like the intention of urban myths was that they were surprising but true and that movie myths were never trying to present themselves as actually real.
hey adam, im pretty sure the boston molasses disaster actually happened, and not an urban legend. the history guy (among others) did a pretty interesting video on the topic: th-cam.com/video/adPuti-SL5o/w-d-xo.html
I'm happy to pretend that you have that moving Swiss Army Knife in your window on Christmas, like one of those creepy Santa's behind a window in a toy store.
I think he meant, Mythbusters first busted if myths/ urban legends could actually be try’s. Movie Mythbusters weren’t to see if a legend was true.
One myth I always felt they got a bit 'wrong'... though they used great science to work on it... was the 'hang time' of a football supposedly inflated with helium rather than air. The actual 'theory' was that the ball would stay in the air a bit longer, and thus, allow the kicking team more time to get down the field and stop the receiving team. They ended up focusing on the DISTANCE of the ball flight, rather than the time, and to me, that was an error.
January 15, 1919 the day that will live in sticky infamy.
Boston Molassacre, never forget.
The molasses disaster occurred in 1919. The tank was 90 feet in diameter and 50 feet tall. It held more than 2M gallons. 21 killed, 150 injured. Some of the people were killed by the shock wave of the air being driven in front of the molasses wave, some were crushed by the wave itself, and some got stuck as the molasses thickened due to the cold temperature and suffocated. Some people claim to still be able to smell the molasses on hot days a hundred years later.
One of the most fun things about doing science is to be surprised by your results or to discover something that defies intuition.
Why is the indy rock untestable? You assume the scale by comparison to known items in the scene (as you've done on other myths), like indy's height, then you assume a type of rock common to the area, do a little mathy math to get a weight and bob's yer uncle. Not any more untestable than flying a tank of of a C130
"Is Mythbusters science?" Already tackled by xkcd: xkcd.com/397/ He reached the same conclusion that Adam does in this video, proving that the results are indeed repeatable.
Wait... Why is the molasses flood an urban legend?
I've seen photos of newspapers clips from the event and presumably there are police and insurance records as well?
Andrew: Finally! my hero will answer my own question I've waited years for this.
Adam: Everything you said was wrong and you suck.
He may have worded the question oddly but it wasn’t necessary for him to pick apart everything Andrew worded wrong. That wasn’t very nice of Adam to do
Yall are crazy adams tone here was playful and he even addressed your take directly saying that wasn't his intent
Saying it in a nice tone doesn’t make what he said nice. I can also tell someone “you’re an idiot” in a nice tone but that doesn’t make what I said nice now does it? You also can’t say something that isn’t very nice and follow with I’m being playful. That doesn’t make up for the fact what you said
@@bennu547 “Tell someone ‘you’re an idiot’ in a nice tone” made me think of this hilarious _Community_ scene th-cam.com/video/7gH5QsZpbvA/w-d-xo.html
Anyway, Adam never said Andrew was an idiot. He said movie-based myths can have testable propositions and can thus make for “science-based” episodes just as much as historical or urban myths can.
@@bennu547 So you're not allowed to tell someone the're wrong because it's not nice!? He didn't make fun of him, but did point out how wrong the question was. Was it because of bad wording or stupid assumptions is irrelevant and he didn't dwell on that part - the simple fact remains that the question as asked was stupid and frankly borderline offensive since he literally accused them of not using real science in their mythbusting.
I'd like to think that Andrew had a "D'oh" moment and learned something and he couldn't of done that if Adam had been "nice" ( which btw he totally was and it is just you getting your panties into a bunch for nothing).
Wait, but the Boston Molasses Flood wasn't an urban myth? It really happened and people really died?
Your comment about not caring what the result was, is in my mind, the keystone of good science. When you test some hypothesis, the results are what the results are. Entirely too many times you get into situations where the scientists doing the testing see only what they were looking for. And it's hard to be completely analytical, but being agnostic to the actual conclusion and not the conclusion you want should be the goal.
Andrew will be absolutely stoked with this response !
Molasses is a byproduct of cane sugar refining, so the statement of "before cane sugar" is false.
Not entirely true. Molasses was made as its own product from sorghum. Sorghum can be grown in non-tropical climates.
I have a correction. True Molasses is made from cane sugar. However sorghum was used to make a very similar product called sorghum molasses. Mind you, they both taste and smell awful...
I am going to have to disagree about the "whoo whoo" myths. I think with today's rampant misinformation what we need are credible voices testing the living hell out of all of these things. Quantum Healing(goop), Essential Oils, Psychics. Pen and Teller did their best. But I think now more than ever we need people testing and sharing their imperialically tested results, from pseudoscience topics that have been creeping up more and more as "facts".
I remember Grant trying to get the levitation kit to work. For a moment he thought maybe there was something to it himself.
A happy day for a maker is must for his mood ! 👍👍
In Andrew's defense, I think the distinction he was trying to draw was that of a real-world assertion of real-world truth vs. something you know for a fact a writer made up. You can apply science to either, of course, so the wording needed work.
Basically that was the question. But no let’s nit pick for most of the time when you could’ve explained it like you did
How do you know for a fact they made it up? You friends? A lot write based on personal experience.
If nothing else, the fact that Harrison Ford actually did outrun the plaster ball boulder for real already sort of proves it, much like the "Luke and Leia swinging across the Death Star chasm" story. The actors did it, it wasn't an effect, so it's automatically confirmed under those specific parameters.
Honestly crazy to me the number of comments saying Adam was mean to Andrew. I can't imagine how anyone who would interpret this light hearted riff (I would hesitate to even call it a critique) off of Andrew's question in that way will ever make it anywhere in life. How do you have friends if they can't tell you you're off base? How do you have a job if your boss can't tell you you're messing up? Nothing Adam said was mean spirited or hurtful, it wasn't even accusatory it was just Adam discussing what was said objectively. Yall need therapy
Same here. I saw this as Adam using the mistaken wording as an opportunity to discuss a common myth, and spend some time busting it. He even acknowledges that it probably wasn't the intent of Andrew to make that implication, and does eventually answer the question as intended too!
It's sad to me, because it makes me feel that a lot of people aren't getting the lesson here, and it's an important one. I hope I'm wrong about that!
not related to the question but I think Adam should take a look at building a mechanical keyboard
A typewriter?
@@ryansmiley5495 no, it is a keyboard that uses mechanical switches instead of rubber domes like most keyboards. There's a huge range of switches with different features, type feel, actuation force, sounds, springs, lubricants, and other nuances. It's the kind of nerdy stuff Adam likes I think. Also, if you write a lot, there's no going back after you use a good one.
@@Adriano_leal I don't know if Adam is that into computers. You never see him using one. Although I'm sure he does. Just does not seem like it is something that interests him much.
I think Andrew just didn't word his question carefully, and Adam read it VERY carefully.
Yes a misplaced ‘actual real science’ was my downfall. 😩
Adam kinda looks like Colonel Sanders at these lower angles lol.
Well, I bet Andrew sure thinks again before asking a question. 🤣🤣🤣
Can some one of the patreons ask Adam: Did he watched "Epic Rap Battles of History: Ghostbusters vs Mythbusters", and what was his reaction? take 10
Hi, wasn’t the directing a tank dropping from a plane with its main gun from the A-Team movie not the fast and the furious franchise?
I came to say this glad someone else noticed
3:02 - or why MythBusters was going into the rum business.
A college sculpture teacher I had in the early '00s used to use the phrase, "Grey matter activated!"
I only learned what molasses actually is when I read about the Boston molasses flood, before that I had only seen the word used in the phrase "slow as molasses", so I thought it was some kind of slug/snail. So when I read about a flood of molasses I thought "huh? that makes no sense" and looked it up.
i literally just did that because i didnt know what it translated to lol
The speed of molasses is dependent on its viscosity and its viscosity depends on its temperature. Which is to say molasses is only slow when it happens to be cold. The whole phrase is as slow as molasses uphill in January. Now it was January when the accident occurred but they happened to be heating that particular molasses up at the time. Folks unfortunately were downhill too.
I love you adam!
youve changed my young life for the better started watching myth-busters when i was 9, now almost 20 years later, ive learned so much from yall, and applied them to my own life in many ways.
The test being, the phrase, "you're slower than molasses" is not true because people couldn't outrun molasses...or these people were actually, in fact, slower than molasses.
3yrs late, someone might've said this, but...
Give the GAU-8 rotary autocannon in the A-10 "Warthog" (attack aircraft), if the trigger is held down, is capable of canceling out HALF the aircraft's forward thrust... I think the A-Team's falling tank scene is _plausible._ *BARELY.*
Likely not with whatever model they depicted, nor to the degree they showed... but maybe one with a 7sec auto-loader and only moving a number of yards. 😅
knowing the size of the round stone couldn't you figure out the mass (assuming a rock density of say a known rock type from south america)? With the mass and a known angle at the start of the roll couldn't you figure the initial velocity? the biggest question in my mind would be the sand floor and how that impedes the speed of the rolling boulder over a given distance.
This has needed to be said. For SO LONG.
I’m 3 years too late but that molasses explosion (WALK!! WALK FOR YOUR LIVES!!) happened in about 1919 and that molasses was not part of the sweets industry. Molasses played a role in WWI munitions. I’m not sure what role but the massive vats were leftover from that war effort. Also, it didn’t spill one of three vats exploded and ruptured the others
As the story is told outside the old Boston Gardens on hot days you can still smell it. I’ve been there on hot days and swore I could but also wasn’t sure if it wasn’t that my mind wanted to smell it
ANY homogeneous sphere regardless of its mass or diameter on an inclined plane will have the SAME acceleration determined only by the angle of the incline! a solid lead ball and a solid wood ball will roll down a hill at the same rate also regardless of their size.. it is very non intuitive but true. what would affect that test was the fact that the "boulder" jamie made was hollow meaning most of its mass is on the perimeter. even tho a hollow sphere's center of mass is still in the center, it accelerates down a hill slower than a solid ball of equal size and even mass... without air resistance a solid foam ball would accelerate faster down a hill than a hollow steel one.. another thing though is i'm assuming the boulder indie ran from was spherical and that's just unrealistic, but as for jamie questioning the mass and size of the boulder it doesn't matter.. if it was a homogeneous sphere of a boulder, then a homogeneous sphere of foam, wood, lead, or anything of any diameter would accelerate down a given incline at the same rate..
I know you don't like the pyramid segment, but it is sometimes very important to show the woo for what it is. This has become especially apparent to me in recent days as TH-cam is sending me adds about some very current pyramid woo.
Wait, didn't you and Jamie swim in molasses? Or, well... You guys made are facsimile and swam in it.
Adam a 6 foot diameter stone ball is ruffly 690.23 pounds in weight
Volume of a sphere
V = 4/3 * π * r³
V=volume
r=radius of the sphere
M=ρV
M=mass
p=density (use our friend google)
V=volume
stone is around 1.602 grams per cubic centimeter
Thats a real Long way to say, this is a badly formed question..
I love how the pyramid myth gave unexpected results with the cut fruit and how the test was repeated to show why the original experiment was flawed
Star Wars myths: Star Wars took place long long ago in a galaxy far far away, therefore the people there were not human beings (even though they looked like and were played by human beings). The tests you guys did were not appropriate. Also, the elephants did not look to me like they were scared of mice; they looked "polite," for want of a better word.
My dad and I were butt hurt over the whip and pit cause every single time Adam successfully wrapped the whip, he would tug on it loosening the friction that was alrwady keeping it in place. We could tell cause the whip would slip. We'd both yell, just jump! Don't tug on it! Every single time. It was aggravating for us as the viewer, not sure if both Adam and Jamie figured it out in the end or not and addressed it or ond of the film crew did
Flying tank was The A-team and Liam Neason, not The Fast Franchise with Paul Walker..............But can you two get the team back together and test the tank flying myth. Please. Please. Please.............
A bit of a correction. Molasses was not used prior to cane sugar in America.
Molasses is a by-product of sugar refining, a sugar-laden source is needed, typically (always?) cane or beet.
Before the turn of the 20th century, cane sugar was the primary sugar sweetener in the US.* Beet sugar then became a competitor there.
*The slave trade was largely fuelled by sugar, even in the US.
Science is a method of investigation. This is all.
About the boulder: I would think you wouldn't want to do it simply because it could all be determined with basic physics. You can take a guess as to the type of stone given the scenes' location. and eyeball the size and therefore its weight. You can also eyeball the height from which it started and the length of the ramp. Simple Newtonian physics will give you the acceleration curve. If it tops 15mph, anything short of a professional athlete would have a tough time beating it. If it went above 27mph, even Usain Bolt would get flattened.
Is that geeky enough?
Adam brings up pyramid power again, and how he's ashamed they tested it on Mythbusters.
I actually think that one was one of the more important Mythbusters episodes. I'm glad they never did it again, because after the first, it would just be silliness and pandering, but looking at pseudoscience and fakery in a hard, rigorous way is important. "This is BS. This is why it's BS. We will now demonstate its BSness" is an important message.
Was asking Steven Spielberg for the information regarding the Boulder ( Indiana jones) out of the question? I would figure fictional directors would not readily give up information on a whim but there's so much Canon in star wars so much background information you wouldn't gather from the movie directly.
Seems like there would be alot of canonical information behind the Indiana Jones series . Possibly,
the weight of the Boulder .
I posit that you could have tested (on a much smaller scale) how fast a stone ball, of different material, would roll down a hill. That, theoretically, would then give you an idea of whether or not it is plausible to outrun a rolling stone ball. Just like different types of wood have different weights, different types of stone weigh different. The only thing I'm not positive about (given that I haven't studied science in 20+ years) is, provided the results of the small version were scaled up to movie size, would gravity take a greater toll. However, I'm sure that there's a scientific mathematical equation that could easily solve that, and you'd still end up with an answer to whether it's plausible.
This was the question, what got Adam off guard and pissed.. 😂 Hey, jokes are jokes, Mythbusters were great "non-scientific" program, wich used some science.
Hello Mr Savage. In a recent video you quickly explained that you think at some point in the future you will move to a new shop. I was wondering if you could spend more time on that subject to elaborate how you/the team see the evolution of Tested and what you would dream to have in a new shop that you don't here. Did you find the place already ? Will you keep both shops ? (1 for you and the smaller one for team B which will build smaller things). Do you think you'll keep the content of Tested focused on you (I love that, I love what you do) or do you think you'll find a way to diversify and bring more creators ? What do you think ?
Hi Adam, I hope you're doing well. Since you were just talking about Raiders, I wanted to ask you about something from the clip you tested with the temple dart run, VS the movie clip. In the film clip, when Indie is running away, and the darts are shooting at him, it looks like they're being shot from both sides of room. My friend, and I slowed the whole scene down, and we both see darts coming from both sides. When you, and Jamie tested it, only one side fired darts. My question is, if both sides fired darts at different times, would Indie have been hit? I just rewatched that episode, and it's always bugged me that only one side fired darts. Thank you for reading this.
I'm thinking of the Star Wars episodes, the Zombie-Killing episode, and Crimes and Mythdemeanors. Remember when Jamie tried to climb up an air duct with magnets, and it sounded like Norse demigod trying to break in?
2:25 - a friend of mine got his car... effectively destroyed? Certainly impaired, I forget, by a high fructose corn syrup spill sometime in the last decade or two... it’s apparently a thing! Too bad it didn’t spill right into a trench for your swimming in syrup episode. :)
Not sure if you'll see this, but I remember reading/hearing about a myth that was so dangerous and so easy to replicate that the Federal Bureau of Homeland Secure Intelligence Agency (I cant remember which were involved) were brought in and all records, tapes, and sources for the myth were erased and/or destroyed. I was wondering how often you get asked about what the myth was or stuff like that?
I've heard of the molasses flood, it is an actual historical event. There was also a flood caused by a ruptured tank at a brewery (this ties into another legend about the fastest "surgical procedure" ever, because the doctor was rushing due to his operating theater flooding in beer).
Untamed Beast and Mvzic Man.. you're right it IS in the A-Team not Furious... but realky... Did Fast And Furious do that too?
Not to be clever or anything but I've always looked at urban legends as a sort of modern day fairy tales (albeit without magic, but serving something of the same function) and so you might categorise urban legends as folk fairy tales, those from oral tradition without known authors, and movie and tv scenarios as art fairy tales, such as HC Andersen's, those with a known, provable author. Two sides of the same coin.